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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giant Suttle Podcast. John

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Speaker 1: Smoke with you Today. We're gonna be joined by Chris

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Speaker 1: rebates and home energy assessments. Chris, is the second time

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Speaker 1: I've talked to you, probably in the last nine months

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Speaker 1: or so. Sorry at the facility yesterday. How's everything going, man?

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Speaker 1: How are you good? Man? Look, we'll get ready for

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Speaker 1: this big one Sunday night, and I think we're all

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Speaker 1: kind of excited, doing great. How are you doing? You know? Hey, Look,

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Speaker 1: it's been some rough times lately around the building, but

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Speaker 1: here we are Sunday night and a big one in

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Speaker 1: prime time. John, you couldn't ext some wall? Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I figured the way we'll do this. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: start with that. We'll talk about the game a little bit,

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Speaker 1: then we'll kind of talk some big picture stuff in

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Speaker 1: terms of what you're thinking about offseason and just kind

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Speaker 1: of where the state of the franchises. So, Chris, what's

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Speaker 1: your big takeaway from the game two weeks ago? An

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Speaker 1: impact of just you know, playing this team, you know,

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Speaker 1: just for the for the Giants one game ago, and

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Speaker 1: and for Washington they haven't played the game since these

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Speaker 1: two teams met. How do you kind of put that

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Speaker 1: all up into your analysis for how this might go

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Speaker 1: on Sunday night. I think you gotta see a lot

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Speaker 1: of the same stuff. John. It's gonna be a tough,

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Speaker 1: close battle. You know that mistakes are gonna probably cost

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Speaker 1: you a game, and how this last time and then

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Speaker 1: at the time, but hey, the Giants could have put

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Speaker 1: it away big penalty, right, Uh, kind of negated that.

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Speaker 1: And then they had a situation where they had Tyler

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Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke and the fourth and short and you know,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Rolls was left. He comes up with a big

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Speaker 1: hit to Curtis Samuel on a little and improv route

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Speaker 1: the giantstone plaster up on him. Giants stop him. There.

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Speaker 1: The games over, you know, So it's gonna come down

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Speaker 1: these these are two teams that kind of like like

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Speaker 1: to do the same thing, and it's gonna come down

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Speaker 1: to execution. Who makes the fewest mistakes, turnovers and all that,

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Speaker 1: And that's what you got to see against Sunday Night. Man,

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Speaker 1: it can't it can't get much closer to what happened

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Speaker 1: last time. John. It's twenty you leave there, you know, John,

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Speaker 1: it's a weird feeling because I actually I popped in

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Speaker 1: Giants and both Black rooms were the same same feeling

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Speaker 1: that they both felt like they lost the game. It

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Speaker 1: was a weird feeling, John, you were there, right, It

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Speaker 1: was a weird feeling. The Giants had a feeling. You

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Speaker 1: talked to plays like, man, you know, okay, we tied,

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Speaker 1: but they have they were looking around like did we

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Speaker 1: lose this game? And then I popped over to Washington

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Speaker 1: really quickly. Ron River, you could you know, you could

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Speaker 1: feel the same thing. So this is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of like, Okay, let's let's get back at it here

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Speaker 1: and we have a little score to settled, because so

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Speaker 1: we don't like the way this one finished up two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Yeah, I think both teams definitely feel the

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Speaker 1: same way. I'm with you, and I think you hit it.

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Speaker 1: You know, people say, oh, well, you know which team

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Speaker 1: it's which team is going to make the fewest mistakes, right,

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Speaker 1: And you know tell her Heineke. You look at his

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Speaker 1: turnover numbers this year, they're not bad. But if you

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Speaker 1: watch the games, there are opportunities every game for teams

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Speaker 1: the Giants to take advantage of those opportunities this weekend

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Speaker 1: when they present themselves. When you can get that interception,

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Speaker 1: go and get it. You know, this is not you know,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, this is not you know Jalen Hurts. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy while he can make some plays,

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Speaker 1: you can turn tailor heinick over. And I think when

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more John, because you know Taylor, heink

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Speaker 1: but there is every game Tailor plays and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: He's gonna throw some balls up. They're gonna be like, well, well,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to step up. John. Look the bottom line, John,

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Speaker 1: with this team, they have to play better. They have

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Speaker 1: they have to stop the run better. Okay, you have

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Speaker 1: to play better in the back get hey, John. The

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Speaker 1: So you have to play better. That's the main thing.

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Speaker 1: Just play better football, dude. Yeah, And I think not

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Speaker 1: having Dorry Jackson back this week is gonna hurt again

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Speaker 1: because you don't have anyone that can cover Terry mclauren.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think if Terry McLaren's on another team,

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Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin. You know, that's what he's looking for. Man,

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Speaker 1: you know, since he's taking over for Wentz Man McLaren.

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Speaker 1: So like you said, how did giants gonna play him?

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Speaker 1: You know, look, weink is a man up guy, man,

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Speaker 1: you know that, right, But he's gonna have to mix

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Speaker 1: you know, John, like you said, Terry mcclaurin is a guy.

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Speaker 1: Am I go to put him in JJ's class and

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Speaker 1: like that, No, not yet, But I tell you what, man,

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Speaker 1: he's just a step below those guys. That's how good

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Speaker 1: he is. And like you said, if he had if

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Speaker 1: A lot more people be talking about this guy man,

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Speaker 1: because this guy is real, real good. Yeah, And you

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Speaker 1: we talked about how Glari had to had a sack

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Speaker 1: You know, you look back, their sacks didn't come on

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Speaker 1: know what Wink likes to do. But the thing Wink

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Speaker 1: is John, is that, Okay, that's nice to you have

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Speaker 1: excellent Samuels are good too, And of course the kid

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Speaker 1: the keys of the game. They'll question about it. Yeah, Look,

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Speaker 1: unleash wink stuff, right, So you gotta get him in

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Speaker 1: the second intention, you gotta get in the third intense.

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Speaker 1: And one of the problems is that the Giants, once

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Speaker 1: again in that game two weeks ago, did not stop

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Speaker 1: the run. You know, Brian Rominson didn't have a bunch

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Speaker 1: a theme this season, Chris, where the Giants have not

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Speaker 1: been able to stop the run on early downs. If

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Speaker 1: in that circumstance for sure. But this shues have been

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Speaker 1: has to up their game, you know, because they haven't

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Speaker 1: run blocked well, they haven't run the balls take quite

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Speaker 1: less four games. Look, I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: want to jump out. I say, kuns one down. It

427
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Speaker 1: looks like he's shot out. Here we go he's engine.

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Speaker 1: He's like, well, he doesn't have many holes to run either. John.

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Speaker 1: You look at the film and he's like, Okay, they're

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Speaker 1: not moving people off the ball either up front. You know.

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Speaker 1: So it's a combination of you know, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to just like, like we just talked about John,

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Speaker 1: they have to play better, they have to run block better, man,

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Speaker 1: because you don't want establish you run against these guys.

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Speaker 1: Forget it, man, You're in a lot of trouble. No, absolutely, Chris, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Giant fans, don't miss out on Giants football MetLife Stadium

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00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,640
Speaker 1: Mobile app. And course, I think this is a good

446
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Speaker 1: time to kind of transition to big picture stuff. And

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Speaker 1: you talked about the run game and to me, especially

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Speaker 1: not getting those chunk plays. You know, I went through it.

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Speaker 1: In the first seven games, they had six runs of

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Speaker 1: twenty plus yards, and you know, or take Kwan had

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Speaker 1: six runs of twenty plus yards and in the last

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Speaker 1: seven they've had two ors. It was it was something

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Speaker 1: like that right, and you look at the ten yard runs.

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Speaker 1: He had twice as many in the first half of

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Speaker 1: the year than he's had in the second half of

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Speaker 1: the year. So he's just not getting as many big runs.

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Speaker 1: You talked about it. And the other thing too, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, teams have seen what the Giants want to

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Speaker 1: do in the run game a little bit more, and

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Speaker 1: I think they're just much more calm, definite in committing

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Speaker 1: more men to it. And you know, we see the

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Speaker 1: run game, right, it's it's it's a number of angles game.

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Speaker 1: If you can outnumber your blood the blockers, if you

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Speaker 1: can get the right angles on some of those outside runs,

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Speaker 1: other teams are not going to be able to run

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Speaker 1: the ball. And I think teams have just said, look,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna stop, say Kwan Barkley, if Darius Slayton makes

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Speaker 1: a contested deep catch down the field one on one,

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Speaker 1: we'll live with that. And I don't think the Giants

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Speaker 1: have been able to do enough to get teams out

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Speaker 1: of that, which I think is what's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: happen here. If this run game is gonna look like

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Speaker 1: what it looked like in the first seven games of

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Speaker 1: the year, Yeah, you know and you know what n

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Speaker 1: sound like Dave's and Caskin having tried to against if

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Speaker 1: there has been a couple of games, you should have

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Speaker 1: come out throwing the ball. People like, oh, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Throw trying to get him out of that box.

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Speaker 1: You know they will try, you know they did. They

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Speaker 1: came out with a seattle get. They came out winging

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Speaker 1: and all of the people even I was like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Come out throwing it? You

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Speaker 1: know now, so they have tried. And John, look, you

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Speaker 1: talked about it all the Splash plays at least big

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Speaker 1: chunk yards of sequan god the beginning of year, and

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Speaker 1: and he hasn't had him. And John, you know, you

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Speaker 1: go back and you look at it early in the

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Speaker 1: year and it's not like, you know, teams didn't have

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Speaker 1: five six guys up in a box at times, but

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Speaker 1: they were just blocking them. John, they were you know,

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Speaker 1: they were beating the guys up front. That's changed, man,

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Speaker 1: that's changed, you know it. And you know what's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I was talking to Darius yesterday. I said, Darrius,

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Speaker 1: you know what kind of you know? And Darius goes,

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Speaker 1: they played like you just said, John, they played a

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Speaker 1: lot of soft zone. They don't do any exotic washing it.

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Speaker 1: But they let their guys. They let their guys up front. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys up, you beat up front, you control up

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Speaker 1: that line of scrimmage. You know, we'll play a little zone,

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Speaker 1: we'll play the mix it up a little man, this

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Speaker 1: and that in the back end. But everything we're watching

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Speaker 1: it with jack Dale reels up front, you know. And

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Speaker 1: that's something they're gonna have to try to establish up

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Speaker 1: from the JA and it's a tough task. But dude,

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Speaker 1: like you said, they are what they are, John, They're

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Speaker 1: gonna no matter what, even if the six, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to try to establish room and said, because this

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Speaker 1: offense once stake that has all year, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to continue to do that with Sa Kwan and

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Speaker 1: try to stop push that run because they just don't

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Speaker 1: have the purcel to come out and throw it all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Man, you know, But we'll see how

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Speaker 1: We'll see how Look it was two weeks ago. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how Caffine the tay will attack this one from

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. You know, I agree. I don't think they've

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Speaker 1: blocked it as well either, I think, you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the guys coming into out of the line

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned, preticent and Neil not being there for

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Speaker 1: a few weeks. I think that had an impact too,

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Speaker 1: um and I think we've almost seen that reflected in

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Speaker 1: the ways Kwan's running it. I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: earlier in the year, we just saw him go and

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Speaker 1: hit the whole lot. I think he's been a little

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Speaker 1: bit more hesitant now because there hasn't been enough room

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Speaker 1: and the confidence isn't there as much. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is going to come back

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Speaker 1: together this year. And I do think there's some you know,

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Speaker 1: familiarity from watching the team on tape over the course

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Speaker 1: of your team's teams figure out what they're doing, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I think at some point, Chris, if this

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Speaker 1: team is going to go and make the playoffs, I

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Speaker 1: do think when it comes down to it, the passing

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Speaker 1: game is going to have to step up here and

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Speaker 1: have a drive. I'm not saying you have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: throw for three fifty and you know Daniels got a

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Speaker 1: complete passes and the four touchdowns, but you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to have a couple of moments here, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 1: sixtr touchdown catch or just a big drive at the

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Speaker 1: end of the half or the end of the game,

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Speaker 1: where this passing offense is going to have to do

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Speaker 1: something a couple of times a game for the Giants

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Speaker 1: to to get where they want to go. I just

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Speaker 1: think in the modern NFL and the way teams are

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Speaker 1: playing the Giants right now, to do it, to try

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Speaker 1: to do it just with the running game is exceedingly

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Speaker 1: difficult unless your defense can really shut down the opponent,

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Speaker 1: get some takeaways and help you out. And and that

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Speaker 1: just hasn't been in the carts and John looked, they've

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Speaker 1: tried that. Let's forget let's not forget the end of

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Speaker 1: the Washington game regulation, what is Dave's and ca do

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Speaker 1: we told two verticals? Yeah, Day has just gotta come

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Speaker 1: down with that one ball, you know, and like you said,

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Speaker 1: a pass against it. But hey, look they have they

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Speaker 1: have taken some shots, okay now, and they and they

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Speaker 1: would have taken a few more shots if if Daniel

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Speaker 1: only has some damn time like the player we just

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Speaker 1: talked about with Bradbury, I mean, Isaiah beat him on

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Speaker 1: a double move. Bradbury was toasted Daniels thought of looking

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Speaker 1: at and then Daniel had to step up. He goes down. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but they have to look, it's not like they haven't

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Speaker 1: attempted some shot. They are trying with Darius. You know,

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Speaker 1: dar was, let's face it, that was the only guy

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Speaker 1: on this team to get over the top of the defense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and they have they have they have attempted to go vertical. Um. Look,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you, John, going back to

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Speaker 1: the last washing the game a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: they come out Dave's they go vertical with Darius. Look

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Speaker 1: if he comes down that ball, it's a whole different

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a whole different thing. Now. The joints

570
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Speaker 1: a probably gonna win that game, and people are gonna

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, look, look they attacked down the field.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what, right, that's second place? John. Is

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Speaker 1: what really surprised me. They went vertical again on second down.

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Speaker 1: That's what I have to be honest. Up in the booth,

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Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, Mike. Then talk about Cake,

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Speaker 1: you know, like man, So look, they take some shots

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Speaker 1: when they could, you know, um, but it's just not

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Speaker 1: a lot to work with. But look, Nobody understands that

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Speaker 1: more what the point you just made that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to throw a ball to they? You know they

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Speaker 1: have attempted it, They're gonna try it. Nobody knows that

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Speaker 1: more than Dave's. Man. Davis is a real I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, man, John, you want to talk about big

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Speaker 1: pictures sooner like Dave's and calf this, Dave's is a

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Speaker 1: real shop mind. Man. You know he he has no dumby.

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Speaker 1: He knows what's up um And look, I expect to

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Speaker 1: see that again this week. I expect to see a

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Speaker 1: couple more shots down the field, Darius. And you know

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Speaker 1: it's on film. We all know that, we all know

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Speaker 1: what Isaiah could do. And I expect to see even

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Speaker 1: some double moves with him, try to get a little

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Speaker 1: vertical on Washington this week. The key is gonna be

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Speaker 1: what though the same old story? Can they give Daniel

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Speaker 1: some time up front? Yeah? And and I'll get to

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Speaker 1: Daniel in a second. But I think on the protection thing,

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Speaker 1: one thing that Chris and I n'enough people have talked

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Speaker 1: about this week. You know, the protection against Philly was horrible.

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Speaker 1: It might have been there besides the Dallas game. You know,

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Speaker 1: the first Dallas game, it was probably the worst past

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Speaker 1: protection game of the year. Uh, you know, Son and

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Speaker 1: Reddick was living in the back of losing nightmare. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The game against Washington was okay. You know, I thought

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Speaker 1: the second half they actually protected fairly well. You would

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Speaker 1: have covered sack in there. Montes Sweat did nothing in

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Speaker 1: the game. You know, Doron painted the sack on Gwinsky

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Speaker 1: early on. Jonathan Allen got a little bit pressure laid

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Speaker 1: on on Gates. But I thought for the most part

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Speaker 1: of the offense line there pretty well. But I think

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Speaker 1: the underrated part of all this is that those two

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Speaker 1: games against Philly in Washington that was in MetLife Stadium.

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Speaker 1: It gets much harder for an offensive line to protect

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Speaker 1: on the road on a Sunday night, when that Washington

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Speaker 1: crowd is gonna be going bananas. The offensive line cannot hear,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be a step slow on the snap. So

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Speaker 1: this to me and I think the interesting dynamic here

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Speaker 1: is that and um Fliciano talked about this yesterday a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We know them pretty well, but they know

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Speaker 1: us pretty well, right the one on one defensive line

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Speaker 1: offensive line matchups. But now you're throwing the fact that

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be loud, and you know, the offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: are gonna be a bit of a disadvantage with the

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Speaker 1: crowd noise. People haven't talked much about that. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be an even tougher task, especially if Chase

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Speaker 1: Young's back. We even mentioned that either right to protect

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Speaker 1: Daniel in passing situations on Sunday night. Yeah, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be another You know, that's a good point, John. You know,

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Speaker 1: nobody's really brought the silly and week Well it's I

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Speaker 1: RelA weekend was Thursday. But that's a great point because

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Speaker 1: I guess why, you're not gonna have that crowd with

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Speaker 1: you now, you know, and that could be a big

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Speaker 1: factor in this because they're gonna be pretty loud too.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure this is you know, this is like, look,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, the Devil's downtown this week. He doesn't

634
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Speaker 1: want this, Like, hey, this is the playoff game. You know,

635
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: it's a big game. We know that, but we'll act

636
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: with that playoff talk. Like you know, Davils, he's stressed

637
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: to his team is street Like, Okay, guys, guess what,

638
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: it's not a playoff game because if we lose, we're

639
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: coming back next week. You can play in the game, okay, So,

640
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: but the feel of it is a playoff type field.

641
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: Let's face it, the winner of this game is gonna

642
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: be in the driver's seat for the playoffs, no question

643
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: about it. They're gonna make the playoffs, probably to win

644
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: in this game. And I don't think, barring some kind

645
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: of unfor collapse, the winner of this game is gonna

646
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs. Okay, So it has a playoff

647
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: type feeling. And the point I'm making John, is that, Yeah,

648
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: the crowd is gonna have that playoff type fields, and

649
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna have that intensity like it's a playoff game.

650
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna make extra wow. So that's gonna be another

651
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: like you said, that's a great point, John, because that's

652
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a big factor in this one, no question

653
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: about You know, you gotta rookie, Look, you gotta rookie

654
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: and Evan Neil right tackle. You know this is probably

655
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: given the first time or maybe the second, you know,

656
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: but a real loud, playoff type field to it in

657
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: the building and Evan Neil and all that. It might

658
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: be if you don't want the number nothing, because this

659
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: might be the first because remember he will he didn't

660
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: play in that Thanksgiving game at Dallas? Did he? Was

661
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: he healthy for the game at Seattle? Or is he

662
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: out of that game him? I'm trying to remember he

663
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: missed that game, right, didn't get philps? I think Phillips.

664
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: I think Tyry Phillips was playing. Yeah, so he probably

665
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: what the biggest game was? What the game in London

666
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: at Tennessee in week one? He hasn't had much of this,

667
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: right right? So I mean, so this is gonna be

668
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: his first experience in a visiting building, not not London,

669
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: a visiting building where it's gonna be real loud, you know,

670
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: so little look, little things like that come into the play.

671
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's where you get a false thought in

672
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: a big situation or something like that. So so that's

673
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: all factors that play into it. Yeah, no question about it.

674
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: Um all right, Let's now take a look at at Daniel.

675
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about the running game a

676
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: little bit. While we think it's kind of slowed down

677
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: a bit. You know, this is where I'm at with Daniel,

678
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: and I think you interact with the fans as much

679
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: as I do their online with your podcasts and stuff

680
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: like that, and you know, the factions have developed, and

681
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I think both factions are you know, way too extreme

682
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: in both their positions because you know, for me, Chris,

683
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way. If I could,

684
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, invent the time machine, go back in time

685
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: and pick up Daniel's fifth year option, I would. And

686
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you would like to

687
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: do now in this offseason, is you know, get him

688
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: on a shorter term deal with reasonable money, see what

689
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: he can do with better weapons around him. Then you

690
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: can make a long term decision. And that's kind of

691
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: where I'm at. He's I think he's done a great

692
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: job of doing what they've asked him to do. Obviously,

693
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: the production isn't as you know, high as you would like,

694
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: but I think that has to do with what's going

695
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: on around him as much as more than it does

696
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: him to be quite honest with you, And that's kind

697
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: of and and and that's and that's kind of where

698
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: I am with him, where I think, you know a

699
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: little bit more, I think you're happy with what he's done.

700
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Do you know if he's your you know, quarterback in

701
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: the next ten years against that's gonna lead you to

702
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. I don't think you're sure about that

703
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: because you've ben seen that yet, but I think you

704
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: think maybe he can be that guy. So that's kind

705
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: of where I'm at with with with with Daniel long time,

706
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna be a tough, tough needle

707
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: to thread in the off season with how the financials

708
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: are gonna work. But that's kind of where I'm at.

709
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: And and as usually I'm kind of somewhere in the

710
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: middle here between the two extremes of the fan base.

711
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: I think we all are. John. You know, it's like, well,

712
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, I know a lot

713
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: of fan based Oh he's not the answer, but you know,

714
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: I think people forgetting something. A. Quarterbacks don't grow on trees.

715
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: B you're not getting a top five to seven ten

716
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: pick anymore. The John I said, played themselves at it

717
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: at you don't even in the top right. Joe Morgans

718
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: is not Joe Shane is not going to mortgage the

719
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: future but making some blockbuster trade that rade up to

720
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: try to get a Bryce Young or you know, or

721
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: killebal and whatever might be. That that's not happening. Okay,

722
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: They didn't pick up the fifth year option. You wanted

723
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: to see what they had. You know, they look John,

724
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: they liked Daniel when they sat down with John marraw

725
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Table and Shane. Of course John Nixon, what do you

726
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: think about like a guy, And they both liked them.

727
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Of course. By the way, No, if I went in

728
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: the last offseason I wouldn't have picked up the fifth

729
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: year option either. I think at the time it was

730
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: the right decision. But what can you do? Think change right,

731
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: it's a new regen. You wanted to see what the

732
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: hell they had. Okay, they liked Daniel. They told John, yeah,

733
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: we know we like this kid. But of course, like

734
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: everything else, you gotta see how it works out. Well,

735
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: guess what, John, Bryan Dabel's going to really like Daniel. Okay,

736
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: he really like Joe. Shane really likes him. To me,

737
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: the feeling is, we got to get this kid more weapons,

738
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: We gotta build around him more, okay, because this kid

739
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: could win football games for us. And I know a

740
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to hear that. And and

741
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: you know it's Chris. Look, people come at me all

742
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: the time, Chris stopping the excuses. Four years he still

743
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: can't throws again to that. Well, I'll tell you what,

744
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: how many times have been sacked this year? Forty four? John? Okay?

745
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: How many? How many sacks? Is Daniel escaped? Ten fifty more?

746
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, okay, So you gotta have to

747
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: build around him. Look, do we know could he lead

748
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: this team to a super Bowl? I don't know, maybe, John,

749
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: but it's is he a tomato? Is he a guy

750
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: like John? No question? You gotta get rid of this guy.

751
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: He's not the answer, Absolutely not. And and listen, like

752
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: you just said, you're gonna have to work with the

753
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: numbers whatever, if they want to tag them one year,

754
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: if they want to do a three year or whatever

755
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: the hell it's gonna be with Joe. That's something they're

756
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to work out. But what's the answer, John?

757
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Who replaces everybody? So many people want him? Okay? So okay,

758
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: So I a couple of times I go back and

759
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: falter with people on Twitter and it was respectful way John? Okay, okay,

760
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: So you want Daniel gone? So answer to me this,

761
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: who're you ever placing them with? Well, we're working on

762
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: in your season. No, that's not the answer. Who are

763
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: you placing them with? You're not getting a Bryce Young,

764
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: You're not getting a Kille Williams. And not forget about that.

765
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: The Giants have played themselves out of that position. So

766
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: who you've placing them with? John, Oh, baby, Jimmy, j

767
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding me? I mean, you know

768
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, Daniels going nowhere. In my opinion, I

769
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: believe they look at this say, okay, well, we're gonna

770
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: have to show up the interior is offensive line we're

771
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna have Obviously, John, we all noticed this is in

772
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: rocket science. We're gonna have to add receive this. We're

773
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna try to get this kid a true

774
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: number one. Received a true number one, which, by the way,

775
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: is not It's not gonna be easy, by the way,

776
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: because there are no true number ones on the free

777
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: agent market, and frankly, even the wide receivers in this

778
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: draft christ they would probably be in last year's class

779
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers like five, six and seven. Right, So what

780
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Look, I'm sorry, maybe I don't want to

781
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: mislead people. What I mean by true number one is

782
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: that you have a a good number one. Okay, I

783
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: don't mean to tell you you might not you're not

784
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: gonna probably get a Terry McLaurin. You're not gonna get

785
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: a justice. Jeff said, don't. I don't want to mislead people.

786
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: What I mean that you could look at the kid,

787
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: don't I hear you? I said, Okay, this is our

788
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: number one, This is our number one guy. And then

789
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: you have you know, you have you too, you have

790
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: your one whatever hell it might be. You gotta guy

791
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: want you know want. They will be back at some

792
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: point next year and all that stuff. You get a

793
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: good slot guy and all that stuff. Um, that's what

794
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean by getting weapons around him, you know, because

795
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: right now he just he hasn't had the weapons o yet.

796
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Darius has developed into a pretty nice but

797
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: we all know Darius is not a one. He's not

798
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: even a one ace or two to be with about

799
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: the amount of pole um. So they'll have to get

800
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: I think they look at him, John and Daniel and say, hey,

801
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna have we could build around his kid. He

802
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: has shown us enough that we build around this guy.

803
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: Get him some weapons. This kid could lead us to

804
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: where we want to go. Is he a super Bowl

805
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: winning called all that stuff? John, I don't know. I

806
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: can't give it an answer right now, but I could

807
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: give you this answer. I could give you this answer.

808
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: This kick will leads you to the playoffs and no

809
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: matter what, the Giants are right there on the custom

810
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: of a playoff spot. And how many you know people

811
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: forgetting that Daniel has five game winning drives this year? Five? John?

812
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: What is that? You know? So? I know people like, oh,

813
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: he can't do any kid, Well, he has led this

814
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: team to come back wins this year. Get the kids

815
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: some more weapons, because I'll John, I'll ask everybody listens

816
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: to this podcast today, I want you to think about something.

817
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people want Daniel gone. Bro Okay,

818
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: who are you replacing with? That's that's my question, Yeah, Chris,

819
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: and you know I agree. I'm with you. And you

820
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: know he's not Davis Mills, right, He's not Marcus Mariota,

821
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: he's not Mitch Trabitsky. He's He's he's better than that.

822
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: And this is not to take anyway from those guys,

823
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: but those are you know, journeyman quarterbacks that team signon

824
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: need a really good backup or stop that starter. I

825
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: think he's shown he's more than that. Now do I

826
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: think he's ever gonna be Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes

827
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: or Justin Herbert or or someone like that. Probably not,

828
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, could I be wrong? Sure? But I think

829
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you take the bottom tier out, you

830
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: take the top tier out, and then you know, now

831
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: we're cutting. So how high can he get? Is he?

832
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: If he gets put in a better situation? Can be

833
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Can he be as good as Dak Prescott? Can he

834
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: get to Kirk Cousins level? You know? Can you can

835
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: he get there? Sure? Maybe? Or maybe he's more like

836
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: a a Garoppolo type. Maybe he's more like a Matt

837
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: Jones type, right, someone like that. I don't know, you know,

838
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I don't know where in those middle tiers he's going

839
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: to wind up and all of said and done. But

840
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: if you're a fan that says, look, the only quarterback

841
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: I want to invest in long term is a top

842
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: five guy that's gonna be a you know, super duperstar.

843
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: That's fine. Good luck waiting to get that guy, because

844
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really, really hard, and you know, you

845
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: can win with a guy in a lower tier. It's

846
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: just a matter of where he kind of sits there

847
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: and how you build around him. And I think that's

848
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: gonna be the trick here, right, Chris, Because you know,

849
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: this is kind of another big picture question in terms

850
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: of team building the off season. How do you retain

851
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: the guys you like on this roster over the next

852
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: two years. And we've talked about this before on on

853
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: on the Huddle, on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Right over

854
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: the next two years, I'm gonna listen to the guys

855
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: are gonna be free agents, Daniel Jones, Sae Kwon Barkley,

856
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, uh Andrew Thomas, Julian Loves, Averra McKinney, Leonard Williams,

857
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: and Dory Jackson, Dexter Lawrence. I've literally just listed all

858
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: of the best players on this team, like literally all

859
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: the you look at the top ten players on this team,

860
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: They're all gonna be free agents in the next two years.

861
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: That's just the way it's structured. So how do you

862
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: make these decisions of who you bring back because you

863
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: like some of these guys, but also don't get your

864
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: cap in a spot where you can't add to this

865
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: core to take that next step to become better. You

866
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think it's gonna be a

867
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: real tough decision for Joe Shane, who to bring back,

868
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: who not to how do you manage the cab and

869
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: and in terms of building where you and and to

870
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: kind of get where you want to go? Right? Absolutely, John,

871
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: And look, what's the priority positions of those free agencies. Well,

872
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: it's left tackle and quarterback. I'm sorry, I know I

873
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: love Quan. They'll get me. Running back is not a

874
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: priority position. And resigning, I'm sorry. Okay, left tackle is

875
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: Andrew is gonna have to be extended. We'll see what

876
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: they do with him. You know, they still have some

877
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: time to play with him. But we'll see what Joe want.

878
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: If Joe, I could see Joe extended him this all season.

879
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely the first few years. Definitely. Now, we all love

880
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Julian love with no pun intended. We love him. I

881
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: love him, he does so much. But is he a

882
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: priority create agent signing? Probably not, Okay, Daniel Jones, he's

883
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback. He's a priority if they like him, if

884
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: which we I think we both agree, John and Joe

885
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: and Brian Daves like him, like him a lot. Okay.

886
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: They think there's something there. What what that something is?

887
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: They're not sure, but there's something there that they want

888
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: to work some more. There's something there that Daves is

889
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of really liked. Okay, I know that. I think

890
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: you know that for a fact. I think I know

891
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: that f a fact. You know, people whistle, we all

892
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: talk about you know, you know, I went. I think

893
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Dave's grown an immense respect for Daniel over the course

894
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: of this season, and there's something there that Dave's really likes.

895
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say, right, John, Um, So

896
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: you look at the free agency, Well, well, Chris will

897
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: tell me, Chris, what's gonna have to get done. Well,

898
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas is gonna get done. There's little question about

899
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: that none. Okay, he's gonna get extended probably this so

900
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: Alf season, if not the work on in four, in

901
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: the year four, okay, whatever down the road. But he's

902
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: going nowhere Daniel Jones. That's gonna be what does Joe

903
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: do with Daniel Jones? Number wise? Year wise? Did he

904
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: did he told a tag on all our kirk cousins

905
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: over the years. Did they do that? We'll find out.

906
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: I can't give it any answer right now, you know.

907
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: Now the big question is gonna be John, I'm gonna

908
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: put you on the spot right here, you're you're a

909
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: GM John Smill, it's my job to put you on

910
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: the spot. That's not how this works. Okay, Okay, we'll

911
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna do a quick you know what, let's ship the

912
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: GM hat, mean, let's share it. What are we doing

913
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: with stake Kwon Barkley. That's gonna be the million dollar

914
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: question in this case, fifteen million dollar question? Sixteen or fourteen?

915
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: What do we do with se Kwan? Okay? So look,

916
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: if you you can only tag one guy, we'll see

917
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: which way they go with that. If they work on

918
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: an extension with Daniels, you could tag st Kuan. But John, look,

919
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: this is my opinion, and my opinion only. I'm not

920
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: giving a running back fifteen sixty million dollars a year.

921
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'd be okay with him playing

922
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: on the tag next year. But what I think, I

923
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: think the Christian McCaffrey or Ezekiel Elliott style contract gets

924
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: very dangerous, very quickly. Well, then we're in agreement. Me

925
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: and John, we shared the GM hat and me and

926
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: you I guess the code. If we were up in

927
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: that office, John, we'll be like sitting there drinking coffee

928
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: saying yeah, Chris, Yeah. Uh, we're not giving year. No,

929
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: we're not doing that, John. You know, so that's gonna

930
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: be Look if like I just said, if they give Daniel,

931
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: if they work on a thing with Daniel, as far

932
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: as extension three, four, whatever it might be, Um that

933
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: I have no problem tagging six. No, no problem at all.

934
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: I look, we all look, we all know, all right,

935
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: but there's no way, John, I'm sorry, there's no way

936
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm giving a running back in today's NFL fifteen sixty million.

937
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: I think we've all seen what's happened with the Zeke contract.

938
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I think we'll all see what's happened with Christian McCaffrey.

939
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: Not And I'm not saying they're not still pretty good plays,

940
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: especially McCaffrey. I'm not saying that. But it's a very

941
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: dangerous move, you know, because you know why, to John,

942
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: this team has a lot of holes and they're gonna

943
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: have a little money to play with in free agency

944
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: this year. Joe is gonna have some money to play

945
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: with something he didn't have last off season, and they

946
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: have to fill some holes. Because this team has plenty

947
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: of holes still, they have to they have to show

948
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: up a lot of positions. So yeah, of course I

949
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: think too. I think, you know, if you can maybe

950
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: do if you want to pay him like fifteen million,

951
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, for two years or something like that, I

952
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: don't think that's something to say Kan would agree to

953
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: um because you know, running backs want to get that

954
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: long term deal in and if there's you can set

955
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: up a contract where there's an easy out after a

956
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: year or two for the giant shore. But again, I

957
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: think something like that will be will be kind of

958
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: tough to tough to negotiate with, you know, both sides

959
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: agreeing to something like that. And I think one thing

960
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: we've seen this year, just in terms of the running back,

961
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: and again this is taking nothing away from Sakon Barkley

962
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: has been great this year and this has nothing to

963
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: do with him, but a running back is very dependent,

964
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: more so than other positions of what's going on around him. Right,

965
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: you can have a great running back. If the line

966
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: is not blocking, it's not gonna work. If the other

967
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: team is putting too many guys up in the box,

968
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. And I just think that that

969
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: position specifically is very dependent on the other things going

970
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: on around him, and if you invest too much money

971
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: in that position, it's hard to build up what's going

972
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: on around him. So I think that's kind of the

973
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: the formula you have to figure out here in terms

974
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: of finding that balance where you want him back, You

975
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: love him, you think he helps the team, to be honest,

976
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: he's the most he's the best offensive player. I mean,

977
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us would disagree with that.

978
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: He's the best offensive player. Ex definitely maybe Andrew Thomas.

979
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: He's the best best offensive player. So you want to

980
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it work. But you know,

981
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: just the the team building and financial aspects of it

982
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: are something that's that I think gonna be tough. John.

983
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look how many positions they're gonna have to

984
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: address between the draft and free agency. Corner you need linebacker, John,

985
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: you need inside back? Is bad? Okay? I think you

986
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: know we're good on the edge. Don't get me wrong.

987
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: We got the dynamic hollefully, the potential dynamic duel, the

988
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: tips and disease, okay, But what we need inside back

989
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: is bad? Okay. We need a corner bad. We need

990
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman pretty bad. Okay. We're gonna have to

991
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: dress all those things via draft in free agency, and

992
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: you just I'm sorry se Kwana and I love se Kwan.

993
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: We all what you know, one and back and look,

994
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Steak Kuan gonna want those type of numbers. Of course

995
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: he is John, you know, so what I if I

996
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: were him, he deserves it. It's a business. It's a business,

997
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: and that's what he's gonna do. And that's him in

998
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: the agent. I'm gonna sit down and go this is

999
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: the number. We're gonna look at mcaffrey's contract, We're gonna

1000
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: look at Zeke whatever it might be, and go, Okay,

1001
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna shoot. We're gonna start off, and

1002
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll blame when this is a business, brother, I get it,

1003
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, but that you know. But on the other side,

1004
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: what I mean by it's a business that it's also

1005
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: a business with Joe, Shane, Brian Dable and everybody else

1006
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: as far as well, we're not gonna go to Thelamb

1007
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: as a running back and we're gonna do this and

1008
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: all that. So it'll be interesting to see. But what

1009
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: it shocked me if this is twenty six is last

1010
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: year with the Giants, No it wouldn't, you know. But

1011
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: we'll see how that plays out. Like they love say Kuan,

1012
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: of course they want him back, but it always comes

1013
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: down to numbers and what, you know, what what's best

1014
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: for this football team because there's a lot of positions

1015
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: they still need to address. All right, let you mentioned

1016
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: the defense, the type of editions they have to make. Chris,

1017
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: how do you view the defense this year? But you

1018
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: mentioned Winks done a good job, and I think a

1019
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: lot of it's been with smoking mirrors, you know, really

1020
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: good situational play. You mentioned it, the red zone defense,

1021
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: the third down defense, and it's really obscured. I think.

1022
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at the overall yardage marks,

1023
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're pretty brutal. I mean they're not good.

1024
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I think now there are twenty six or twenty seven

1025
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: and yards allowed per game, things like that. I can

1026
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: I got the numbers right in front of me here,

1027
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: I can bring it up and yeah six D yeah.

1028
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is against the schedule where

1029
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: they played a team like the Texans. They've played a

1030
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: team like the Panthers, they played a team like the

1031
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Bears before they got going, they got Cooper Cup. You know,

1032
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: the Packers aren't a good offensive team this year. Even

1033
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: the Ravens aren't a very good offensive team. Washington isn't

1034
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: a you know, a team that scores a lot of points.

1035
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: So you know they've done it without playing a lot

1036
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: of elite, elite offenses and quarterbacks over the course of

1037
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: the year. You know, I just wonder how you look

1038
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: at this defense when you get to the end of

1039
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: the year and how much it needs to be rebuilt, um,

1040
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: how much work you have to do, and just kind

1041
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: of how you view how this season has kind of

1042
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: flowed for that side of the ball. Yeah, I I

1043
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: think Winkies perform magic, John, I I really do, man.

1044
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean what he's done with this personnel. You know, look,

1045
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: the keys we talked about earlier has been a red

1046
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: zone and third down. I mean if that, if that

1047
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: wasn't good, then this team would be right now be

1048
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: five seven instead of seven five and the probably four

1049
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: you know nine? What it helld up before nine? For you?

1050
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: We don't look at it, you know. So, uh he's

1051
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: now I think he squeezed everything he could out of

1052
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: these guys. No, I really don't. And look like they've

1053
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: given up four hundred plus jaws the last three games.

1054
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: They're given up a ton of rushing yards, you know. Um,

1055
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: so is it kind of like, Okay, now it's rising

1056
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: to the top. This is what it's gonna be the

1057
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: rest of Yeah, it's possible, you know, because there isn't

1058
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot of talent, Let's face it. I mean the

1059
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. If you look at you want

1060
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: to look a big pitch a little bit John. You know,

1061
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: they're good on the edge, which is key in the NFL.

1062
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: You want to have some edge guys, no question. You

1063
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: gotta get guys that get the quarterback. Okay, So it

1064
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: looks like obviously they're good there on the interior. Leo

1065
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: Dex Dex is having a Pro Bowl type year. Okay,

1066
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: but the linebacker is this something that Look, Wink hasn't

1067
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: been crazy about this inside linebacker group from day one. Okay,

1068
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: from day one, Wink hasn't been crazy about this. So

1069
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: take crowders of the world. Even MIKEL. McFadden, you know,

1070
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: he's been in it. Mixed. Jalen's played better since they

1071
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: put him in that mic spot. I thought probably the

1072
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: last game was probably might have might might have been

1073
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: his best game as this year, Jalen against the Cowboys

1074
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: last game. Um, but He's still is a ton of

1075
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: things where you just shake your head. Linebacker is John

1076
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: is a priority. You're gonna have to, you know, address

1077
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: that position. And you know obviously McKinney coming back and corners,

1078
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna have to address it because how

1079
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: I look at it is that Wink is before magic.

1080
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: Wink schemes have been so huge, and some of the

1081
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: things they've done this year. Um, and you know what,

1082
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: they've got a few turnals the plus two and whatever

1083
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: in turnals, they haven't the offense hasn't turned over a

1084
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: whole lot wish you know, which was being for Daniel.

1085
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: That's great for Daniel and the offense. Um, but have

1086
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: they screened? Have they reached it? You know that the

1087
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: top ceiling this year and now it's just gonna be

1088
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: giving up those four hundred plus every game for the

1089
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: last you know, four games all that. I could see

1090
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: that too, John. So, uh, it's a position, it's defense

1091
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: that and let's face it to John, you know you

1092
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: might not even have Wink next year. Wink might be

1093
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: gone for you know, you know Winch. Wink wants to

1094
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: be a head coach. Don't go depressing the fan. Bass Chris,

1095
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Come on? I know, I'm sorry,

1096
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but to me, John, No, we're in the building.

1097
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: We know that Week wants to be a head coach.

1098
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: He wants you know, so he might even be here

1099
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: next year. So, um what I mean John? Right now

1100
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: we're talking about big picture? So um, yeah, something. They're

1101
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to show up a lot on his defense

1102
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: man because I think that maybe they've gotten wink A

1103
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: Scott everything he's got out of his unit, and I

1104
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if he's gonna get much

1105
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: more moving forward. All right, two final questions, Chris, this

1106
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: is kind of a last big picture one, how do

1107
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: you view this season? Like, like, let's say the Giants finished,

1108
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, uh, eight eight and one or nine seven

1109
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: and one? They get in is the seventh seed? Right,

1110
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: they lose in the first round of the playoffs. You know,

1111
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: do you will come out of the season saying, yeah,

1112
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: this was like you know, this was a five hundred team,

1113
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: or do you say maybe they outperformed their town a

1114
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: little bit and there maybe not as good as what

1115
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: they record might indicate, and that might indicate, you know,

1116
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: you have to make some tougher decisions in the off season.

1117
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, how do you just view this season and

1118
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: what it means in terms of the larger kind of

1119
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: big picture stuff we've been talking about. Yeah, I viewed

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Speaker 1: no matter what happens moving forward, John, I had this

1121
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: as like a six win team going in. So I

1122
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: viewed this as I'll tell you what, everybody, you're in

1123
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: good hands with Brian Dable, my calf give and his

1124
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: coaching staff and Joe Shane. Obviously you're you're in good

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00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: hands with these guys. Because John, there was no way,

1126
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: in my opinion, this team should be competing for a

1127
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: playoff spot. I mean they if they win Sunday night,

1128
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: they are eight five and one, and with this personnel, John,

1129
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: there was no way they should be a five o one.

1130
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So I view it as just an incredible job.

1131
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: But his coaching staff obviously a credit to the players too,

1132
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: how they've played. But it's just been more we could

1133
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: have imagined. John. I mean, if anybody's going to tell you,

1134
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: last August, as we were standing on the sidelines doing

1135
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: training camp in ninety degree weather, sweating out, you know,

1136
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: a lot off, and somebody walked up to me and says, hey, Chris,

1137
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I got this team as

1138
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: a nine win team, ten win, we'll go, We're going

1139
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I would have said, dude, do you fit?

1140
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: Do you stuff fail? Go get a drink, Go get

1141
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: some ice water on the side, and go cool off

1142
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: because you're losing your mind. Okay, all right? So Chris,

1143
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: by the way, that that sounded like me talking to

1144
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: the Tino every day during training camp, So that makes

1145
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: a bad sense. I don't even think now he didn't

1146
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: he actually didn't. He up to it. All fans the pool,

1147
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: as we all know, it could be a little uh,

1148
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: you know what's the right We're I'm gonna use, could

1149
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: be a little shaded, a little little frantic. How about frantic?

1150
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: He could be a little crazy. Paul, we both don't

1151
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: well you know better than me, bro you with him

1152
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: every day. I see him a lot. But we all know.

1153
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: Even Paul didn't come off to me over the summer

1154
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: and say, hey, Chris, I think this is a team.

1155
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: I would have been like, Paul, stop, get out of here,

1156
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: get away from you know what I mean? So so hey,

1157
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's been a john. Do we think

1158
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna have meaningful football games in December in training camp. No,

1159
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: but here we are meaningful football games. I think, to everybody,

1160
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: it's such, it's such. Krudos to this coaching staff, John

1161
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: h Brian Dable, calf get wink everybody. Jerome Henderson, who's

1162
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: one of the best in the business, trying to piece

1163
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, trying to tie pieces together like he did

1164
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: last year. John, you know, and he's just doing a Look,

1165
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: they haven't give up a lot of big plays, dude,

1166
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: down the field. Okay, just doing a great job. Um.

1167
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: So the biggest thing I get out of this is that, hey,

1168
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: we this organization and with these guys from Joe down

1169
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Brown, who he might be one and done. I mean,

1170
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: you don't know what Brandon from Brandon Brown, Joe, Shane, Dable, Calf, ka, everybody,

1171
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: um what they've done with this personel John to be

1172
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: playing to to me and you being on a podcast

1173
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: on your podcast saying hey, Chris, this is like a

1174
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: playoff type game decembitswealth. You know, that's incredible right there.

1175
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: I think that speaks right there for everything right there. Dude,

1176
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: all right, let's wrap this up. Chris, what do you

1177
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen Sunday night. I'm putting you on

1178
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: the spot. Now, Okay, you're putting me on a spot.

1179
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: I don't blame it. This is your show. Uh, You're

1180
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: probably not gonna like anything to say. But I think

1181
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: the crowd, like you said, I thin thought it was

1182
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: a great point by you. This is a different story

1183
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: now you're playing in the visiting ballpark. Um, look, Chase

1184
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: Young's you know, he's he's gonna be an added piece.

1185
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: He's not gonna you know, I don't think he's gonna

1186
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: play more in dirty place, but he's gonna be another

1187
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: added quality piece to already quality defensive line. Um, I

1188
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: don't like the way that Giants stopping a run. I

1189
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: think I think Washington will do enough to win a

1190
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: close one John Sunday Night, and like a seventeen thirteen

1191
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: type game. All right, I'm going the other wayfortunately, And

1192
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm always wanted to to to be cautious here. And

1193
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: I think they've I think the glass slipper falls off

1194
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke in this game. I think it's been coming.

1195
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna throw the ball to the Giants

1196
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: a couple of times and I think that's going to

1197
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: be the difference. Now, if they cannot break the glass

1198
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: slipper and you know, the turnover ratios, even at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game, I think it would probably look

1200
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: more like the game you're talking about. So I think

1201
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: to me that that's what this is all about. Can

1202
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: you know the one spot where I think the Giants

1203
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: have a distinct advantage in this matchup Chris is the

1204
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: quarterback spot. So I think Daniel Jones has to outplay Heineke.

1205
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean the numbers at the end of

1206
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: the game will reflect that because Heineke has better weapons, right,

1207
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: But I think Jones has to outplay Heineke significantly in

1208
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: this game if the Giants are gonna win, because you

1209
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: talk about washing his weapons, you talk about the pass

1210
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: rush blah blah blah blah blah blah. Then it starts

1211
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: turning the other way. So I think the Giants have

1212
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: to turn over Heinekey. That's how they're gonna win this game. Look,

1213
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: if they look John, if they have plus two in turnovers,

1214
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: Giants to probably win this game. Like you said, they're

1215
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: plus two in turnovers, They're gonna win this game. And

1216
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the keys to winning this game.

1217
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: Obviously's gonna be in that plus one or two. And

1218
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: like you said, getting a couple of tailor you know

1219
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, getting a couple of tale because he

1220
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: will give you those opportunities, There's no question about it.

1221
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: So if they do that, Hey John, if they if

1222
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: they get a couple of picks, a couple of you whatever,

1223
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: one pick, won't you cover two plus two, they're probably

1224
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna win that close one. Like you just said, I agree,

1225
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't quite see it going that way.

1226
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. I think it's gonna be another

1227
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: tough one. Um, but I think this time Washington is

1228
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: gonna come out on top. But we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong,

1229
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: all right, Chris, tell the folks where they can find

1230
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: all your stuff in giants Insider. Yeah, you can follow

1231
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: Twitter at Giant Insider and you can subscribe to the

1232
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: Giant Inside a newspaper at Giant Inside dot com. And John,

1233
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: it was a pleasure to be on. Thank you for

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00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: having me on. Hopefully we'll do it again in the

1235
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: future and hopefully we come out on top. Sunday a

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00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: prime time And hey, John, what are the awful it's

1237
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: a leven and trying to games. I haven't counted, but

1238
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Speaker 1: it's been. And by the way, the podcast, they can

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Speaker 1: find that on any podcast platform, your podcast, any any

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00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: any podcast platform, Giant inside of podcast. Yes, thank you,

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00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: no problem, make sure you check it out. Chris. We

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00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Do good to talk to you. As always,

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