WEBVTT - From the Vault: Star Wars Alien Necropsy, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time for an episode from the Vault. This one originally

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<v Speaker 1>aired on May four, and uh oh, this was the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars Alien Necropsy Part one that we I think

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up dissecting several alien species. Do we do

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<v Speaker 1>the minox? I'm having trouble remembering this one. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we did. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm it's been It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot has happened since we did these episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember them being a lot of fun, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be the perfect time to to re

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<v Speaker 1>explore them. There's a lot going on in the Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars uh universe out there, and we have another episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Weird How Cinema coming up where we're gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>at a Star Wars knockoff film, so that's always exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, Lord Veda requires all of these necropsy is

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<v Speaker 1>to be completed by the end of the day. The

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<v Speaker 1>surgical Droids says these are substantial specimens. We might require

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<v Speaker 1>more time two episodes. Even Lord Vader is not a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of two parts. He says the anatomy of the

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<v Speaker 1>alien specimens are quite involved, and if we're to perform

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<v Speaker 1>a complete analysis, will need more time. Okay, fine, but

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<v Speaker 1>the results better be extremely infotaining. Welcome to st Have

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow Your Mind production of My Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, Rob, you really leaned into the holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>But most of those holidays were towards the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, the wintertime holidays, the hibernation holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Halloween. But we do that all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I get the sense that you are

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<v Speaker 1>so strongly leaning into the holidays that it has continued

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<v Speaker 1>into the month of May. Yeah, I guess, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>bringing that spirit uh into May, especially for today's holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>uh May the Fourth, as in May the Fourth be

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<v Speaker 1>with you, which is of course the one day each

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<v Speaker 1>year that everyone gets to go crazy for Star Wars

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to plan, addition to all the other days.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But um, but yeah, I I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that even though I think my son

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<v Speaker 1>and I had gotten super into Star Wars this at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. Last year, I think we kind of forgot

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<v Speaker 1>about May the four being a thing. Like May the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth was never a thing when I was a Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars fan as a kid that I know of, so

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of blew right past me. Um. But but

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<v Speaker 1>this time I I kind of realized that the last minute,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, May fourth is next week. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars Day. It's just uh, just open season. We

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<v Speaker 1>should do some Star Wars content. You know. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have guessed, even as obsessed with Star Wars as you

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<v Speaker 1>were last year, and I guess continuing into this year, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that that May the fourth wouldn't be your bag. I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would expect that May the fourth would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of irritate you, would be one of those cute little

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<v Speaker 1>things that gets under your skin. Am I wrong? Um? No? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think I don't have any problem with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, especially since there's like new stuff coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, if that's if this sets the deadline

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<v Speaker 1>for for the bad Batch animated series to come out

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<v Speaker 1>and makes them you know, put it out, then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad that we have it. Otherwise stuff would just keep

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<v Speaker 1>getting delayed right right, Okay, yes, just wedge on into

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<v Speaker 1>our calendars. Yeah, maybe they'll come up with another Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars holiday this year. Well, some say that there's we

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<v Speaker 1>have May the fourth and it Made the Fourth be

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<v Speaker 1>with you and then write. Some say there's Revenge of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fifth, which is tomorrow. But I don't know, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how how crazy they Maybe there's something

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<v Speaker 1>for the sixth as well, but I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be appropriate that it will continue after today,

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<v Speaker 1>because we originally planned for this to be one episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but then as we were working on the notes, we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, wait a minute, We've got like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thou pages of content or whatever it is we've

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<v Speaker 1>got now, So so this will definitely be at least

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday and Thursday of this week. It is a it

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<v Speaker 1>is a week long Made the Fourth, Yes, yes, as well,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be. So. Obviously we've talked about Star Wars

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<v Speaker 1>a bit here on the show in the past, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be a discussion of you know, the question, could

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter be blown up by the Death Star? Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think the answer was probably not. We've also talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the Mighty Sarlac, and we also did a Weird

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<v Speaker 1>House Cinema episode on e Walks the Battle for Indoor.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this episode we're gonna take the old my

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<v Speaker 1>monster science approach to the some of the the aliens

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<v Speaker 1>from the Star Wars universe, you know, using some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of some bit of fantastic biology and then using that

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to discuss real world terrestrial biology and

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<v Speaker 1>finding where things line up where they don't, etcetera. Now

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<v Speaker 1>standard disclaimer here we are Star Wars fans, but we

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<v Speaker 1>are not Star Wars experts. We're probably not going to

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly reflect cannon or legend uh with regards to the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars universe with accuracy. Here. We haven't read every

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<v Speaker 1>scientific meditation on Star Wars, and we don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>extended universe perfectly. But we'll do the best we can here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have some fun with the topic. But we

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<v Speaker 1>fully invite you to get mad about it. Well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to get mad about it. This is all

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<v Speaker 1>too too fun. But yes, certainly, um, feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>write in if if you have any actually he's uh

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<v Speaker 1>to share with us regarding the creatures we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>here today. Well, put, all right, Well, let's start with

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<v Speaker 1>your first selection Joe, what did you choose from the

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<v Speaker 1>the vast and exotic Star Wars universe? Okay, Well, to

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<v Speaker 1>set the stage the film is The Empire Strikes Back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that mid movie section, the chase where han Leia,

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<v Speaker 1>Chewy and C three p O are on the run

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<v Speaker 1>from the Imperial fleet in the Millennium Falcon. This is

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<v Speaker 1>after they have evacuated the hath base and there are

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<v Speaker 1>a group of star destroyers that are chasing the Millennium

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<v Speaker 1>Falcon and they chase it into an asteroid field. This

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<v Speaker 1>was one of my favorite parts when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I still love it today. There's a kind of it

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<v Speaker 1>almost becomes like a James Bond car chase or like

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<v Speaker 1>Smokey and the Bandit where you know, they're like the

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<v Speaker 1>scene where the cars are zipping around, you know, through

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<v Speaker 1>obstacles and around traffic, but it's in space and instead

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<v Speaker 1>of other cars and a bunch of barrels and just

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<v Speaker 1>street you know, uh, tomato carts in the way and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it is asteroids and of course this is extremely dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>there space rocks crashing all around and uh. The Falcon

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<v Speaker 1>eventually manages to evade its Imperial pursuers and it hides

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<v Speaker 1>in a cave on a large asteroid. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great sequence in a just a great

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars film. It's one of those like out of

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<v Speaker 1>the frying pan into the fire moments where actually it's

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<v Speaker 1>like into a third frying pan or front five because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's gotten out of hot. You've had that tremendous battle

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<v Speaker 1>seat once with all of its ins and outs. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you have the asteroid field, and then what happens next

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<v Speaker 1>is uh, it comes from an entirely different direction. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the great things about the story structure

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<v Speaker 1>of the Empire Strikes Back is that you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>cutting between the different characters and the things they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you're with han Leia, Chewy and c three

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<v Speaker 1>p Oh, it's just one frying pan to another. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time they get to a new place, they think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're finally safe now, but then they realize that the

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<v Speaker 1>floor is teflon and things start heating up, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just on to the next crisis. But in this cave

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<v Speaker 1>we get some creature encounters. So first the Millennium falcon

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<v Speaker 1>is swarmed by a flock of nasty winged creatures with

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<v Speaker 1>ring shaped sucker mouths and there they look sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like sulfurous leech bats. These are called minox Han, and

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<v Speaker 1>Chewy seem to be familiar with them like that they

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<v Speaker 1>once they see them, Hans says, uh my Knox, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like he talks about them like they're very common nuisance

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<v Speaker 1>animals for space travelers. He says that they're chewing on

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<v Speaker 1>the power cables, like, yeah, that's what they always do.

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<v Speaker 1>And so our heroes they leave the ship, they go outside,

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<v Speaker 1>go down the ramp and start walking around outside with

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<v Speaker 1>these little oxygen masks on while they're trying to blast

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<v Speaker 1>the mineox off. But then they encounter and it's another

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<v Speaker 1>realizing you're actually in another frying pan moment when it

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<v Speaker 1>is revealed that the cave that they're hiding in is

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<v Speaker 1>no cave at all. It is a giant carnivorous worm

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<v Speaker 1>of some kind and they have essentially parked down its gullet,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course there's a great escape sequence where they

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<v Speaker 1>have to rock it out between its closing jaws just

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<v Speaker 1>in time. Is the teeth are coming together. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fabulous looking creature to this big alien whalish

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<v Speaker 1>worm monster. Yeah. One of the best. This giant worm

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<v Speaker 1>creature on the asteroid is not named in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they say what the minox are. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's almost as if in Star Wars it's

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<v Speaker 1>like saying, oh, rats, we've got rats here, We've got

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<v Speaker 1>my knox, but they never say what this thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked it up and some plenty of the Elder

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<v Speaker 1>of the Galaxy has given its species of designation. It

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<v Speaker 1>is called an exo gorth or alternately a space slug.

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<v Speaker 1>And Rob, I've got some pictures attached here for you

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<v Speaker 1>to look at. Of course, we've seen the movie, so

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<v Speaker 1>we know what it looks like. It's is this giant Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Have have to be honest and say, somewhat phallic looking

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<v Speaker 1>worm comes up out of the hole. It's got the

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<v Speaker 1>big jaws clamping after the ship, so it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be actively wanting to eat the space ship. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I found another image that I think is from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Marvel Star Wars comics, and it's a panel.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know the context of how this happens,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a panel in a comic somewhere where a

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<v Speaker 1>star destroyer flies into a giant Exo Gorth's mouth. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like it's going to end well for for

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<v Speaker 1>anybody involved there. That's something that the extra it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like that's that's too big of a mouthful. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something very interesting about both of these alien species,

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<v Speaker 1>the min Ox and the Exo gorths uh. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I've actually thought about for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember having this thought, maybe not when I very

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<v Speaker 1>first saw Star Wars when I was a kid, but

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<v Speaker 1>at some point it occurred to me that these are

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<v Speaker 1>the only aliens I can think of in the Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars movies that are not found on a planet, but

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<v Speaker 1>in outer space itself, on the barren terrain of an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid with no atmosphere, living in the vacuum. These are

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum dwellers. Yeah, and I think it was that way

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Eventually, they also introduced a creature

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<v Speaker 1>called a Purgle that came around. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>introduced in Star Wars Rebels, one of the animated series,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a feeling it's going to show up

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<v Speaker 1>in some live action stuff in the near future. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're like a deep space whale like organism with its

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a squid, like a combination betwe in, a

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<v Speaker 1>space squid and a space whale. And they're capable of

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<v Speaker 1>entering hyperspace even but they're kind of they have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in common with the design of the Exo Go.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kind of like the Noble Exo Gorth. The picture

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<v Speaker 1>you attached looks mad. He's got like the downturned eyebrow.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks like he's he's looking for a fight. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they they explore this kind of like whale like nature

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<v Speaker 1>where if you're if you're not treating them right, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're abusing them, then yeah, they can be quite dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you try to understand them, then you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that they have this very passive and beautiful nature. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that. So it's like the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody says about the dog, like, oh, he doesn't like strangers,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you warm up to him, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a he's a real cuttlebug. Yeah. So, anyway, for this

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<v Speaker 1>entry of our Aliens Star Wars Alien Neck Cropsy, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to to think about the idea of vacuum dwellers

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<v Speaker 1>as a as a proposal as a concept. Now Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars obviously it is not hard science fiction. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not trying to create a scientifically grounded experience. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a fantasy. And that's fine. I mean, you've got no

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<v Speaker 1>problem at all with with soft science fiction and space fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that stuff. Uh, And there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>elements in this sequence that are really nothing like what

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<v Speaker 1>we'd expect to find in reality. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>mention a couple of other examples of that before we

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<v Speaker 1>get back to the idea of a vacuum dwelling organism

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<v Speaker 1>and consider the plausibility of that. One example of how

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't really resemble reality in any recognizable way is

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of how dense the asteroid belt in the

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<v Speaker 1>Empire Strikes Back is how it's just crammed with rocks

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<v Speaker 1>that are moving really close to each other and slamming

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<v Speaker 1>together all the time, And how this compares to the

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<v Speaker 1>one example of a real asteroid belt that we know about.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a standard feature of sci fi movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just Empire Strikes Back. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times there are space battles in an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt that is just a mind field. This densely

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<v Speaker 1>packed obstacle course of of giant boulders that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to smash into your ship and kill you, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ships have to frantically dodge around through the slamming rocks

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<v Speaker 1>while they dog fight. Yeah, it's a great sequence, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is just um maddening, just how how tired everything is,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it just seems like a complete nightmare that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone would I mean, it seems like it should be

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<v Speaker 1>a Butcher Cassidy and the Sundance Kid kind of moment, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why would the Thai fighters even chase them in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how because how could you expect to survive unless

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<v Speaker 1>you were like a fourth sensitive pilot of some sort,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or like the greatest pilot of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>like like a Han Solo. Yeah, they'd be crazy to

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<v Speaker 1>follow us, wouldn't they. And I know when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I pictured the asteroid belt of our solar

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<v Speaker 1>system being like this, probably because of especially Empire, but

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<v Speaker 1>more generally movies like this that it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just tight with rocks. But now we know that

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<v Speaker 1>is not the case. I was trying to find what

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<v Speaker 1>is the actual density of the asteroid belting terms of

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<v Speaker 1>asteroids of an appreciable size. I found an explainer about

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<v Speaker 1>this from Scientific American that's older. It's from nine so

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<v Speaker 1>our our our knowledge might be a little bit updated

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<v Speaker 1>since then. But this, I feel it gives you a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea to asks several experts about this, this question

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<v Speaker 1>of the density of the asteroid belt. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an interesting story in it that's relayed by

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Garrels of the University of Arizona, who said that quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Some scientists were seriously concerned about the possible high density

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<v Speaker 1>of objects in the asteroid belt, which lies between the

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<v Speaker 1>orbits of Mars and Jupiter, when the first robotic spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>were scheduled to be sent through it. The first crossing

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<v Speaker 1>of the asteroid belt took place in the early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies when the Pioneer ten and Pioneer eleven spacecraft journey

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<v Speaker 1>to Jupiter and beyond. The danger lies not in the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of hitting a large object. In fact, such a

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<v Speaker 1>risk is minuscule because there is a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 1>space between Mars and Jupiter, and because the objects there

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<v Speaker 1>are very small in relation. Even though there are perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>a million asteroids larger than one kilometer in diameter, the

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<v Speaker 1>chance of a spacecraft and not getting through the asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>belt is nearly negligible. And then there was an updated

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<v Speaker 1>thought that came in after that from David Morrison of

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<v Speaker 1>NASA AMES who said, quote, there were more than a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand asteroids larger than one kilometer in diameter, but

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<v Speaker 1>these objects are distributed within the huge volume of the

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt. Their average spacing is several million kilometers. Collisions

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<v Speaker 1>are thus extremely rare. An average one kilometer asteroid suffers

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<v Speaker 1>one collision every few billion years, or maybe one or

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<v Speaker 1>two collisions over the lifetime of the Solar System. The

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<v Speaker 1>spacing is also so large that seen from one asteroid,

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<v Speaker 1>even the nearest one kilometer asteroid would likely be too

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<v Speaker 1>faint to be visible without a telescope. Uh So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>extreme distances between these objects now because there aren't a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of objects. There are, but the you know, space

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<v Speaker 1>is gigantic, so the space between them is also gigantic.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to fly into an asteroid belt, it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually unlikely you would even notice it. You probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>see any asteroids while you were flying through it. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>I did think about something that could make another interesting

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure some movie has done this but it could

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<v Speaker 1>make a different kind of threat of traveling through an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt interesting. I think the more likely risk while

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<v Speaker 1>flying through an asteroid belt is not that you would

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<v Speaker 1>be smashed between giant space rocks while you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>dodge through them, but the chance that you would hit

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<v Speaker 1>an invisibly tiny micro asteroid at high speed, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would be like a bomb because of the kinetic energy

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<v Speaker 1>of the impact because it's going so fast and you're

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<v Speaker 1>going so fast. Though I guess, of course, it would

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<v Speaker 1>depend on how fast you were going and what angle

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<v Speaker 1>you hit it at relative to its own trajectory. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>a head on collision with a with a tiny asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>could be catastrophic. But there's another thing in the sequence

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't make sense if you try to bring hard

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi rules to it, which is the part where

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<v Speaker 1>they're in the cave and the minox show up in

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<v Speaker 1>that great moment where I think Leiah is looking out

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<v Speaker 1>the window and then suddenly the big sucker comes down

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<v Speaker 1>and he got which I was talking to Rachel about

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<v Speaker 1>this earlier this morning, and she says, when she saw

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<v Speaker 1>that part in the theater, when the Star Wars remasters

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<v Speaker 1>or remake not remakes, the whatever you call him. The

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<v Speaker 1>remasters came out in the nineties or the earlier. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it was the nineties. Yeah, that she just like

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<v Speaker 1>screamed in the theater, just like Bloody Murder screamed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's startling and gross totally. It's like, it still gets

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<v Speaker 1>me when I watched the movie. It's very suddenly that

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<v Speaker 1>noise it makes. It's like when the head pops out

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat and Jaws, you know, and when Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Dreyfuss is like down in the water looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets you every time. But anyway, so there's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the minox come out, and so Han and Chewy and

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<v Speaker 1>Leah walk outside of the Millennium Falcon in their regular

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<v Speaker 1>oaths wearing little oxygen masks. So this is another one

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<v Speaker 1>of those space fantasy things, because this would not work

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<v Speaker 1>on a real asteroid. The vacuum would kill you pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you had a little oxygen mask. So I

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<v Speaker 1>found a good explainer on this. This was also a

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<v Speaker 1>Scientific American article. This was written by Anna Goslin in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eight, and and of course one thing we

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<v Speaker 1>should be clear about is that a vacuum in as

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<v Speaker 1>the term is generally used is defined as a region

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<v Speaker 1>of space with extremely low gas pressure. Uh. It's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a conventional definition because even in outer space, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not nothing in space. You're still going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>few random hydrogen atoms floating around and stuff, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>pressure so low that it's negligible. So once you walk

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Millennium falcon, once you are exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the low pressure environment of a vacuum of space, several

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<v Speaker 1>things are going to happen pretty quickly. One is that

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<v Speaker 1>because of the lower pressure, gas is tend to expand,

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<v Speaker 1>and this includes the gases that are trapped in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in your lungs. So if you're holding your breath

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<v Speaker 1>or inhaling, this expanding gas is going to cause trauma

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<v Speaker 1>in the lungs, tearing up gas exchange tissues. Also, the

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<v Speaker 1>low pressure will cause water to boil at a lower temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the case of a vacuum, this means water

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<v Speaker 1>boils at a temperature lower than your body temperature, which

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<v Speaker 1>translates to swelling in the body, rapid evaporation of water

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<v Speaker 1>vapor from the easiest escape roots in your body, and

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<v Speaker 1>primarily this will be things like the holes in your face,

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<v Speaker 1>like your mouth, nose, and eyes, and this rapid boiling

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<v Speaker 1>off of water will of course cause very low temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>around these holes in your face. I think about the

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<v Speaker 1>way that you know, the rapid evaporation of water cools

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<v Speaker 1>your body through sweat, except take that to the extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally your tongue might freeze. And if records of

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<v Speaker 1>what has happened to animals that are opposed to a

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum or any indication, you also might simultaneously defecate, urinate,

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<v Speaker 1>and projectile vomit. Wow, So even event horizon scaled back

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit on what this would be like. Yes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, sometimes movies make it look like

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<v Speaker 1>if you were exposed to a vacuum, you would explode,

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<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't seem to be true. It actually does

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<v Speaker 1>seem like you could survive being in a vacuum for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a few minutes. I mean, it would depend on

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<v Speaker 1>a number of factors, but you could. Most people could

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<v Speaker 1>probably survive being exposed to a vacuum for some amount

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<v Speaker 1>of times, like a few minutes, less than five minutes maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would require somebody else who is not exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a vacuum helping you because we have seen this

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<v Speaker 1>in in sci fi. I think that's basically what happens

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<v Speaker 1>an event horizon. And I think the and yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>expanse has has has explored this as well. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the reasons you would need somebody to

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<v Speaker 1>help you is that you would you would very rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>lose anciousness. The low pressure would also cause bubbles to

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<v Speaker 1>form in your blood vessels, which would interfere with oxygen circulation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the estimate is that this leads to

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<v Speaker 1>rapid unconsciousness, probably in something like ten to fifteen seconds

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<v Speaker 1>after you're exposed to the vacuum, and then so you

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<v Speaker 1>lose consciousness, you probably collapse and it would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to kill you within a few minutes if you're not repressurized.

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<v Speaker 1>This article by Anna Goslin shares a story of a

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<v Speaker 1>human who actually survived vacuum exposure. Uh So, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to read this part quote. In nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>a technician inside a vacuum chamber at Johnson Space Center

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston accidentally depressurized his space suit by disrupting a hose.

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<v Speaker 1>After twelve to fifteen seconds, he lost consciousness. He regained

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<v Speaker 1>it at twenty seven seconds after his suit was repressurized

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<v Speaker 1>to about half that of sea level. The man reported

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<v Speaker 1>that his last memory before blacking out was of the

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<v Speaker 1>moisture on his tongue beginning to boil, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a loss of taste sensation that lingered for four days

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<v Speaker 1>following the incident. So all that to say, Han Chewy

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<v Speaker 1>and Leiah, these are experienced space travelers. They would know

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<v Speaker 1>better than to try to walk out into the vacuum

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<v Speaker 1>of space without a pressure suit. Now, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair. I have seen some righteous nerds on the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet arguing that, well, maybe because we we now we

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<v Speaker 1>know from what happens later in the movie that actually

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<v Speaker 1>they were not in a cave on an asteroid, they

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<v Speaker 1>were in the exo Gorth's gullet, and maybe the exo

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<v Speaker 1>Gorth's gullet creates its own pressurized atmosphere. And okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say I grant that, Uh maybe, But I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>whole point was that they thought they were in a

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<v Speaker 1>cave on an asteroid, not in the belly of a

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<v Speaker 1>giant worm. So it doesn't seem like they would go

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<v Speaker 1>outside without a pressure suit. Yeah, I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>if maybe They're like the ship's readings were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't actually need a suit to go outside in

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<v Speaker 1>this this weird cave, and they're like, Okay, that's fine. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It really wasn't thinking about it that hard, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't asking, well, why would that be? Why would a

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<v Speaker 1>cave that it's supposedly open to the to the void

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<v Speaker 1>have these unique conditions? Um? But I guess if I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna play Devil's advocate and try and like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stitch everything together, I could and then maybe, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this giant space slug. Uh. It's it's gastric environment

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<v Speaker 1>closely mimics a terrestrial world and just you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is a little off. Um, I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe that's maybe that's so one of the ways

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<v Speaker 1>that it gets its its food, right, it just waits

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<v Speaker 1>for spaceships to land inside its belly and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>since spaceships are hard to digest, it needs to have

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<v Speaker 1>an inviting environment that lures the precious meat beings out

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<v Speaker 1>of the spaceship. Right. Yeah, it gets gets gets them

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<v Speaker 1>out there. I mean, it does have fog rolling around,

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<v Speaker 1>so it almost looks like you're out on the moor

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<v Speaker 1>once you leave the spaceship. I wonder also how fog

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<v Speaker 1>rolling around would work in a vacuum. It doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>very vacuum like. It's almost as if they weren't really

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of it and in pure physical terms as a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make a lot of sense. Again, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is space fantasy. I just wanted to say also, I

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<v Speaker 1>I found a picture on the Internet of the model

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<v Speaker 1>of the the Giant Exit Worths teeth while it was

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<v Speaker 1>being created, along with the I l M model maker

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Peterson inside the mouth looking at it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>just looks just exploding with joy while gazing at the

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<v Speaker 1>teeth he has created. He kind of he also in

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<v Speaker 1>this picture he's got long hair and a big beard.

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<v Speaker 1>He almost looks like a human e walk. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>love looking at these old photos of these like these

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<v Speaker 1>these seventies guys working on these models for this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>for for these films. It's pretty great. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pure joy on this NaN's face. Than I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>come back to the question that I brought up earlier

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<v Speaker 1>about the vac hume dwellers. When we imagine finding alien

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<v Speaker 1>life forms not in space fantasy, but in reality, of course,

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 1>we always imagine finding them on a planet, a planet

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<v Speaker 1>with an atmosphere. But I was wondering, is it biochemically

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<v Speaker 1>and evolutionarily conceivable that there could be such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>an alien dwelling directly within the void, within the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the howling emptiness of space. Could there be creatures of

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<v Speaker 1>the vacuum? And so I was looking around trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find some good sources on this. I didn't come across

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<v Speaker 1>any like direct scientific papers, though, if any listeners know

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<v Speaker 1>of any that I couldn't find and want to send

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<v Speaker 1>in my way, please do. The best thing I came

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<v Speaker 1>across was actually an interesting BBC article from sixteen by

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<v Speaker 1>the science writer Philip Ball, one of my my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>science writers who wrote probably the best book I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>read on quantum physics, which is called Beyond Weird. I

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<v Speaker 1>recommended it, uh really, I think a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>ago during a summer reading episode. But in this article,

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<v Speaker 1>Ball starts off by pointing to a study published in

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<v Speaker 1>the journal Science by Cornelia Minair at all. Mine Air

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<v Speaker 1>is a professor at the University of Nice in France,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a study called ribos and Related Sugars from

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<v Speaker 1>ultra violet irradiation of interstellar ice analogs and so to

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<v Speaker 1>read from the summary from from the journal Science on

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<v Speaker 1>this quote, astrobiologists have long speculated on the origin of

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<v Speaker 1>prebiotic molecules such as amino acids and sugars. Mine art

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<v Speaker 1>at All demonstrated that numerous prebiotic molecules can be formed

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<v Speaker 1>in an interstellar analog sample containing a mixture of simple

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<v Speaker 1>ices of water, methanol, and ammonia. They irradiated the sample

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<v Speaker 1>with ultra violet light under conditions similar to those expected

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<v Speaker 1>during the formation of the Solar system. This yielded a

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<v Speaker 1>wide variety of sugars, including ribos, a major constituent of

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<v Speaker 1>ribo nucleic acid or RNA. And of course, as we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed on the show before, RNA is one of the important,

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, long organic molecules that is considered a

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<v Speaker 1>possible precursor of the original formation of life on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>the first cell, and of course RNA is used is

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<v Speaker 1>used in life forms today, it's in the cells in

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<v Speaker 1>your body. And this is not the only study of

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<v Speaker 1>this kind showing that some molecules important to the formation

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<v Speaker 1>of a biological sphere, such as sugars and amino acids

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<v Speaker 1>can be formed in space, maybe even just on little

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<v Speaker 1>tiny grains of ice floating around in space by themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>not on a planet at all. They can be formed

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<v Speaker 1>in these types of scenarios by radiation acting on precursor compounds.

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<v Speaker 1>So another example would be that UM researchers for decades

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<v Speaker 1>have have found evidence of amino acids in meteorites that

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<v Speaker 1>apparently these amino acids were formed in deep space, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Rosetta mission, which intercepted a comet was a common

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<v Speaker 1>six seven p in space. In the Rosetta orbiter detected

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of the amino acid glycine, along with methylamine

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<v Speaker 1>and ethylamine from a spectrometry reading of the of the comet.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's possible that important molecules and molecules that are

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<v Speaker 1>necessary for the early stages of chemical evolution before the

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<v Speaker 1>formation of the first cell we're not formed on Earth

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<v Speaker 1>but in space and then somehow delivered to Earth, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>on the backs of icy comets that smashed into the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's surface when the planet was young. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>this is all hypothetical. We still don't know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>how the first life on Earth came to be. We

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<v Speaker 1>actually talked about one very interesting model of this on

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<v Speaker 1>a recent episode, the one we did about the Nile Inundation,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the idea that the first cells might

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<v Speaker 1>have been created by the presence of prebiotic molecules like

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<v Speaker 1>lipids and nucleic acids in areas on the surface of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth that are repeated least subjected to wet dry cycles.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want the details on on the reasoning

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<v Speaker 1>behind that, you can go back and listen to that episode.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it called, I believe the title we went

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<v Speaker 1>with was the Nile Inundation God's Water in Life, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit of mythology in there, but also

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot about the the the annuals flooding of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nile and how it factors into the environment and

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the region. Right, so we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how for sure how it happened, but the process of

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<v Speaker 1>chemical evolution leading from those organic molecules to the formation

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<v Speaker 1>of the first cell, meaning a cell capable of replication

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<v Speaker 1>and metabolism, that's generally assumed to have happened somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth or in a or on another planet like Mars

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<v Speaker 1>maybe and then seated to Earth through some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>collision and travel of rocks through space, and that could

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<v Speaker 1>be in hydrothermal vents or in puddles or what have you.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's usually assumed to have happened on Earth. But

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<v Speaker 1>Philip Ball rights quote, there is a more intriguing possibility

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<v Speaker 1>life itself might not have kne did a warm and

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable planet bathed in sunlight to get going. If the

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<v Speaker 1>raw ingredients were already out there in interplanetary limbo, might

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<v Speaker 1>life have started there too? Interesting question? And of course

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<v Speaker 1>there's another question, which is a follow up. If it

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<v Speaker 1>were possible for life to form in space rather than

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<v Speaker 1>on a planet, would it also be possible to for

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<v Speaker 1>that life to evolve into complex forms out there in space? Um? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some reasons that this does seem unlikely on

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<v Speaker 1>its face. So a bunch of Philip Ball's article ends

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<v Speaker 1>up focusing on ways that alien life forms could have

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of a home planet while existing in interstellar space,

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<v Speaker 1>and the primary idea he explores here is life on

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<v Speaker 1>rogue planets, meaning planets that are ejected from their solar

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<v Speaker 1>systems and float through the interstellar void alone or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>with some moons into and you. You might think that

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<v Speaker 1>without a home star, these worlds would be guaranteed to

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<v Speaker 1>be barren. But internal heating from residual formation heat and

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<v Speaker 1>radioactive elements in the core, and possible title interactions with

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<v Speaker 1>the moons that are along for the ride, this could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be enough to sustain a biosphere, perhaps in an

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<v Speaker 1>iced over ocean. But this isn't really what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>right We're we're we're looking for something that could live

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<v Speaker 1>in space itself or on the surface of an asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to the vacuum, where there's no atmosphere, no ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>just the raw hell of the infinite. Now and exploring

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<v Speaker 1>this part of the article, Ball notes something that I

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<v Speaker 1>had read about before, but I had forgotten about until

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading this, which is that um the astronomer

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Hoyle, who did a lot of important work in

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<v Speaker 1>in twentieth century astronomy, but now is probably best remembered

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<v Speaker 1>in the popular consciousness for coining the term Big Bang,

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<v Speaker 1>which he meant as an insult, like a ridicule of

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<v Speaker 1>the theory, because he was a supporter of the steady

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<v Speaker 1>state theory of the universe, which is now known to

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong, like the the we know that the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is thirteen point eight billion years old, and and we

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>called the process of expansion leading to the universe we

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>know today the Big Bang. After this, after this negative

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>appellation from Hoyle. But anyway, Hoyle actually wrote a science

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.719
<v Speaker 1>fiction novel that was published in nineteen fifty nine called

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<v Speaker 1>The Black Cloud, and supposedly it's quite good, though I've

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<v Speaker 1>never read it. But the premise is that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a giant cloud of intelligent gas that floats around through

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<v Speaker 1>outer space, and when it encounters Earth, it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what to make of life that inhabits a planet,

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<v Speaker 1>and it becomes a threat to us. But Hoyle did

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<v Speaker 1>not have a plausible theory for how a such a

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<v Speaker 1>sentient space gas would would come to evolved. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a mystery in the book. But Ball looks

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<v Speaker 1>at this question of what the chemical basis of space

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<v Speaker 1>based life could be and concludes that despite the difficulties

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<v Speaker 1>of the environment, it seems like urban molecules are still

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<v Speaker 1>probably the best bet for creating biology. The most common

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<v Speaker 1>alternative put forward to carbon based biology is silicon and

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<v Speaker 1>I will know that when I looked up the the

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<v Speaker 1>exo gorth on Wikipedia. Wikipedia tells me that the exo

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<v Speaker 1>go is a silicon based life form. And also I

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<v Speaker 1>think that in addition to eating humans and spaceships and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it eats rocks, you know, eats the minerals of asteroids.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's the case it's supposed to have

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<v Speaker 1>like a mineral and energy diet that perhaps occasionally supplements.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, another thing I was thinking about is that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>two things. I guess on one level, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>eat biting at a spaceship just because it's there, or

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<v Speaker 1>out of defense, it doesn't really want to eat it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the same way that you'll have animals

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<v Speaker 1>in the wild that will attempt to take a bite

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<v Speaker 1>out of something, you know, defensively even if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>part of their diet. But also the curious mouth. Yeah so.

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<v Speaker 1>But but here's another thing. If the inside of the

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<v Speaker 1>the of the creature here is essentially an ecosystem, um,

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>is it possible that it it is like grabbing things

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in order to sort of not feed itself, but to

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>supply and feed the ecosystem within it, and then it

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>somehow gets so much sort of residual nutrition from that

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>ecosystem like it kind of has. It's almost like a

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>hive maintaining a um like like a domestic crop within itself,

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>except its domestic crop is just like this swampy world.

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. So when it eats a millennium falcon,

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>that's like it's poop yogurt, like the probiotics stuff. It's

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to supply its interior minox and like the mossy

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 1>organisms that line its gullet and produce all that fog

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>we see with some nice power cables to chew on

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and and I guess presumably humans to feast on whenever

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>they die. Yeah, maybe it feeds on swamp fog. And

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>but it needs a you know, a ripe swamp environment there,

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and occasionally, yeah, needs some needs some new stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>add to the to the genetic pool. You're so good

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>at world building. This is this is great a future

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars. I hope you're taking notes. But anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>back to Philip Ball's article. So he he echoes the

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<v Speaker 1>sentiments of many experts I've read who have deep familiarity

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<v Speaker 1>with chemistry, who generally say that carbon is just so

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<v Speaker 1>much better at building complex molecules than silicon Uh, silicon

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>really does not seem like a very good candidate for

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<v Speaker 1>creating life. Again, maybe our imagination is being limited in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, but but it really looks like carbon is

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the good stuff. If if we're fine, if we're gonna

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>find life elsewhere in the universe. A lot of astrobiologists

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>seem to think that carbon is just the way it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be. For example, Ball quotes an astrobiologist named

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Charles Cockle of the University of Edinburgh who thinks that, yeah,

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>alien life could be very different. Maybe there's a lot

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that is hard for us to imagine, but that whatever

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it is, it's going to be carbon based, and it's

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 1>going to require water, and that this will be a

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 1>universal norm no matter what planet or part of space

0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:59.720
<v Speaker 1>you're on. Uh. And he does he does admit quote

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<v Speaker 1>I have a quite conservative view, which science generally proves

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>is misguided. But he he holds the view nonetheless. So

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:11.359
<v Speaker 1>when looking for carbon molecules to form the precursors to life,

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 1>we already know that a substantial number of them can

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>be and are readily formed in the vacuum and in

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>deep space. As we mentioned already, both sugars and amino acids.

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<v Speaker 1>We have evidence that both of these things can be

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<v Speaker 1>formed outside the environment of a planet, maybe on the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of a comet or just an ice grain floating

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 1>around in a dust cloud in space. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, amino acids are the building blocks of proteins,

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>these sugars like ribos or important ingredients in forming nucleic acids.

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>So uh so, like this is the stuff you would need.

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<v Speaker 1>And typically these things are formed through simple chemical and

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>photochemical processes. So Ball mentions a typical chemical reaction called

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Strekker synthesis that could be responsible for the formation of

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>amino acids in space, but also that these things can

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>be formed by exposure of precursor chemicals to radiation, typically

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>ultra violet light. Now this part I thought was interesting.

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Ball rights quote. It looks at first as though these

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<v Speaker 1>reactions should not take place in deepest space without a

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>source of heat or light to drive them. Molecules encountering

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>one another in frigid, dark conditions do not have enough

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>energy to get a chemical reaction started. It's as if

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>they run into a barrier that is too high for

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>them to jump over. However, in the nineteen seventies, the

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Soviet chemist vitality. Golden Sky showed otherwise, some chemicals could

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>react even when chilled to just four degrees above absolute zero,

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>which is about as cold as space gets. They just

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>needed a bit of help from high energy radiation such

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>as gamma rays or electron beams like the cosmic rays

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that whizz through all of space. And so maybe there

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>is some hope for for deep space stimulation of the

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>chemical reactions that lead to life given these types of

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>inputs like like gamma rays or cosmic rays. Given these

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>inputs which are possible in outer space, Goldanski found evidence

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that some long chain molecules could form, such as formaldehyde

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>chains that are several hundred molecules long. But there's a

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a catch. There's the downside. While space can form

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>these precursor molecules, the molecules encounter another problem, which is

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>continued exposure to the same radiation sources that formed them

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. Ball sides this this guy Charles

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Cockle again saying that they are just as likely to

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>smash molecules as they are to form them. Potential biomolecules,

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 1>progenitors of proteins and RNA say, would be broken apart

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 1>faster than they were being produced. And to come back

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Nile episode, this reminds me of what we

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about in that episode with theories about the formation

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of life on Earth and the role of water, because again,

0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>water would play this stimulating and destruct deive role in

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the in the early chemical evolution of life. Water is

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a key ingredient in Earth based models of chemical evolution,

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>but it also easily destroys the delicate organic molecules it creates,

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's one of the reasons that it's been hypothesized

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that there are these wet dry cycles that uh that

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.359
<v Speaker 1>would have allowed the first cells to come together. So

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>ultimately that the experts that Ball consults here seem to

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's pretty unlikely that we would see in these

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>really cold environments in deep space, like on the surfaces

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of ice creams. Even though these precursor molecules to life

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>can be formed, it seems unlikely that these environments would

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>form enough complex molecules and have them survive long enough

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>to kick off chemical evolution and really really bring together

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>space based life. But I want to get into another

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 1>option in just a second here that could explain where

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 1>something like this organism comes from. But before that, I

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.919
<v Speaker 1>was just wondering also, like, Okay, why the complex morphology

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>of the exo goth Uh? You know? Complex? More so,

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it's got like a body with different parts like the

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 1>animals we see on Earth. It's got a mouth with teeth,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's got something that looked like little eyes talks,

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's got a head and a tail, and it's

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>it's very differentiated. Uh. Complex morphology arises on Earth, I

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>think as a reaction to complex environments. Right, Like if

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you look at all the body parts on an animal,

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.840
<v Speaker 1>these are parts that have arisen in response to different

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 1>qualities and challenges of the environment in which the animal evolved.

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Animals need to I mean not all animals, I guess

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 1>there are sessile animals, but most animals that move they've

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>had these different parts because they need to move around

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and do different types of things. They have different types

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of predators and prey, etcetera. The asteroid in the Empire

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Strikes Back does not seem to me to be a

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 1>complex environment, Like so if anything was living there in reality,

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I could more easily imagine a sort

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 1>of map of bacteria just harvesting radiation and on the

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>surface of the asteroid rather than rather than like a complex,

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>differentiated large animal. But that that makes me think, well,

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>what if these organisms didn't first evolve in space, but

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 1>this is this is sort of a transplant operation. Yeah,

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>this would seem to make more sense, right, Yeah, the

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>idea that it's it's worm shaped because this worm shape

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that it has once served it well in a non

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 1>asteroid environment exactly. So. I think all of our listeners

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>now probably know about the animal I'm about to bring up,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>but but it's worth revisiting the details. The mighty tarte grade,

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 1>also known as the water bear, a truly all inspiring organism. Yeah,

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>they're they're absolutely incredible. Tartar grades are animals. They're not

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>bacteria or fungus. They are animals like us. They're even

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 1>bilateral animals. They have bilateral symmetry like we do. So

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>they're not like sponges, but they are extremely tiny. Tartar

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>grades are ubiquitous within Earth's byo sphere. You'll find them

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>on the highest mountain peaks, in marine caves, in moss

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>in Antarctica. They're basically everywhere, and as far as I

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>can find evidence of they are the only known animal

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that has been documented to survive prolonged exposure to the

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 1>raw vacuum of space, and they do it apparently by

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>taking specific steps to avoid some of the nastiness that

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>we talked about earlier when we were talking about humans

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>being exposed to a vacuum. Now, of course, one of

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 1>their main defense mechanisms has got to be just that

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>they're they're so cute, Like they imagined that one day

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.399
<v Speaker 1>they would be discovered by humans, and if they were

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 1>not so cute, we would not take so kindly to

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 1>to uh, to finding out that this is really their

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>planet and we're just on it um. But they're they're

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>so adorable, you you you kind of don't get earth jealous. Yeah,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the what was the German description that the declina vassa

0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>baron the the tiny water bears, yeah, or the little

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 1>moss piglets some people, Uh yeah, they look like across.

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I've seen somewhere described as a cross between

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a caterpillar and a teddy bear. That's pretty accurate. I

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>keep seeing them pop up in animated shows recently. Really, Yeah,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I just was watching a show with the fam and

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 1>there was a race of creatures in another world that

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>were clearly based on water bears, And then there was

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.879
<v Speaker 1>another cartoon we were watching where they were like futuristic

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.839
<v Speaker 1>mutated water bears that live in the water, and if

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 1>they get in the water, you drink the water, then

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>they get in your brain and start controlling you stuff

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. Clearly they strike a chord. Yeah, I mean,

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.839
<v Speaker 1>there's something about the way they look and the way

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that we've already started describing them that, um it lends

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:47.799
<v Speaker 1>itself well to further imagination. Yeah. So about their hardiness

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and ability to survive, to survive a vacuum. I was

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>reading a New York Times article about water bears by

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Cornelia Dean, and this article discusses the targe grades ability

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to survive unbelievably harsh environmental conditions. So, if a tartar

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 1>grade encounters extreme drought or sudden changes in temperature or

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 1>water salinity, or other types of environmental threats, the tartar

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.399
<v Speaker 1>grade can enter a kind of hibernation state where it's

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>metabolism throttles down to zero point zero one percent of

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>its standard rate, so that's one ten thousand of its

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.760
<v Speaker 1>regular metabolism. During this process, almost all of the water

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>content is avoided out of the tartar grade's body, and

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>the tartar grade curls up into this dehydrated shell state

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 1>called a ton spelled t u n so. Cornelia Dean writes,

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 1>quote tons can be subjected to atmospheric pressure six hundred

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>times the surface of Earth and they will bounce right back.

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>They can be chilled to more than three hundred degrees

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>fahrenheit below zero for more than a year, no problem.

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>The European Space Agency once sent tons into space two

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 1>third it's survived simultaneous exposure to solar radiation and the

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>vacuum of space. This is not something that can be

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>said of any other animal that I know about. I

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>think this is the only one we're aware of. And

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it really seems like this dehydration is one of the

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 1>main keys to survival in the state because with all

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 1>the water evacuated, you won't get these rapid boiling and

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 1>freezing effects of water content that can occur in space

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>that led to some of the really gross outcomes we

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 1>were talking about earlier. In fact, the evacuation of the

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>water content, counterintuitively apparently even affects the Tarte grades ability

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to survive exposure to extreme radiation. You wouldn't think those

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>things were correlated. But Dean writes, quote, when cosmic radiation

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 1>hits water in a cell, it produces a highly reactive

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>form of oxygen that damages cell d n A. The

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 1>ton doesn't have this problem. Tons have been reconstituted after

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>more than a century and brought back to life as

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 1>tarte grades looking not a day older. So no frozen

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>tongue for the tartar grade and no radiation damage either.

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 1>So if you're if you're looking for a candidate for

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>something that could possibly take hold of life in the void,

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying a tart grade could like take up

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 1>life on an asteroid. It seems like eventually it would

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:16.839
<v Speaker 1>just like its window for life would close. But using

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>our imaginations here, this might be trending in the right direction.

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And I want to take it a step further because

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 1>did you know that there are probably tartar grades on

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the Moon, not native to the Moon. I want to

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>be very clear they're from Earth, but they're on the

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Moon now, possibly still alive, and in this this ton state,

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 1>just awaiting the possibility to get splashed with water again. Right.

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 1>So I was reading about this in an article on

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>vox by Brian Resnick called Tartar Grades. The toughest animals

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>on Earth have crash landed on the Moon. Uh. This

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>was from twenty nineteen, and it covers the fact that

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I think this is actually drawing from an article that

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was originally in Wired in twenty nineteen that had some

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 1>interviews with the people involved. But the short version is

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>that in April twenty nineteen, there was a lunar lander

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>called a Baracheet, which was scheduled to become the first

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 1>privately funded spacecraft ever to land on the Moon. It

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>was originally a competitor for the Google Lunar Xprize, but

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that window had passed, but the mission was still scheduled

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and it was controlled by a group called Israel Aerospace

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Industries that was based out of Yahoo Did, Israel. And

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 1>after landing on the surface, it was planned to take

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 1>some readings of the Moon's magnetism. But unfortunately, there was

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a mission failure. There was a critical computer error I

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 1>think during its descent or before, and the probe ended

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>up crash landing on the Moon. And so you would think, okay,

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>well the craft was destroyed, end of story. But there

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 1>was something on the craft. There was something much of interest.

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Aboard there was a small installation created by a group

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>called the arch Mission Foundation, and speaking to Daniel Oberhouse

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 1>of Wired, the group claims that they believed their cargo

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>may have survived the crash, and their cargo it included

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 1>several things. I mean, the idea was they were trying

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to send up to the Moon a record of Earth

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 1>civilization that could last for billions of years. So maybe

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like if humanity goes extinct and aliens ever get to

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.479
<v Speaker 1>the Moon, they could find some records of Earth from

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 1>this little from this little installation on this lunar lander.

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.799
<v Speaker 1>And so part of it was a library of information

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 1>that was etched onto a nickel metal disc that had

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of English Wikipedia pages and some some

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>classic books. But it also had samples of human tissue

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.839
<v Speaker 1>like human blood, and it had Tarte grades. Oh man,

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I hope they screenshotted essentially screenshot at Wikipedia at a

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 1>time when there were no like trolley entries at a

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 1>incorrect information because there's a cut off period there and

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>now it's it's up there on the moon, that's right. Yeah.

0:48:56.200 --> 0:49:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how many uh citation needed tags the aliens

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>are going to run into. But to read from Resinus

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>article here quote, many of those Tarte grades are coded

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.399
<v Speaker 1>in a protective resin, much like how Amber preserves long

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 1>dead mosquitoes that were once trapped in tree sap. According

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to Wired, a co creator of the library believes the

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 1>disc survived the crash. In the best case scenario, Barascheet

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 1>ejected the Archmission Foundation's Lunar Library during impact and it

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.840
<v Speaker 1>lies in one piece somewhere near the crash site. Wired reports,

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>so water bears on the Moon at least potentially may

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe still viable. So I would say this is still

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>not super plausible if you're if you're gonna be really

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.399
<v Speaker 1>strict about it, But to play our hand as far

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.359
<v Speaker 1>as we can, I'm going to say that I think

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the Exo Gorth was originally some type of extremely hardy

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 1>water bear type creature that crash landed via spaceship on

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 1>an asteroid and a heavily populated stretch of space and

0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 1>somehow adapted to the new environment over millions of years

0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of evil lution. I'm still not quite sure how it

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:06.439
<v Speaker 1>survives without an atmosphere. That doesn't seem very possible, because

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>while the Tarte grade can for a while. It's only

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.840
<v Speaker 1>able to survive that through entering this cryptobiotic state the

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 1>ton uh. So it's it's harder to imagine an organism

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 1>do in its life and doing full metabolism while simultaneously

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>being exposed to the vacuum um. Maybe if the exo

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>gorth and the mynock have some kind of biology that

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.880
<v Speaker 1>allows them to live without water content, because it seems

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like one of the main problems with being exposed to

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the vacuum and trying to live is that the organisms

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:40.760
<v Speaker 1>we're thinking of are sort of heterogeneous mixtures of different

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 1>states of matter. They've got some gas contents, some liquid content,

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and some solid content, and that that just doesn't all

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>hold together super well when exposed to a vacuum. The

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 1>low pressure messes with your liquid and your gas contents. Plus,

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't honestly say that it seems like

0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the exo Gorth in the movie is all is purged

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.280
<v Speaker 1>water because I think, as we mentioned, it's got fog

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's in its belly, so yeah, it's very swampy

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 1>in there. Yeah, it's not a dry heat um, you know,

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and it almost as a saunotype environment. It would be

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>interesting to see if there was like a treatment of

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:19.240
<v Speaker 1>this where where one of these Exo gorths is actually

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like a vacation destination where you you know, you go

0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 1>to just sweat it out. But as far as I

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.240
<v Speaker 1>know that that does not currently exist. Another awesome idea

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that man, they should hire you to write one of

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>these upcoming movies. I wouldn't go that far um at

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:38.800
<v Speaker 1>any rate. The exo go certainly one of the cooler

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:43.480
<v Speaker 1>alien monster type species that that we discover in the

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars movies. And a great reveal as well. I

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:49.719
<v Speaker 1>always love that scene where you finally see the whole thing,

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like just you know, leaping out of that hole in

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the asteroid trying to grab the millennium falcon. I love

0:51:56.320 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 1>how it bends over as it bites. Yeah, and I

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:02.799
<v Speaker 1>guess another thing that's wonderful about it is that it's

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:06.319
<v Speaker 1>not certainly not a cheap creation like it has. They

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>put a lot of skill and a lot of love

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 1>into creating it. But it also kind of looks like

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 1>an oven mit, you know, So it it has this

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 1>it's it's basic um body shape is uh is a

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:21.440
<v Speaker 1>big hand puppet, you know, But but they make it

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 1>into something that is. Uh you know that it goes

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.439
<v Speaker 1>beyond hand puppets, So I don't know, but it's still

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of simultaneously hits both those uh uh those frequencies

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 1>For me, I love it. Give me more monsters like

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:37.280
<v Speaker 1>that puppets models, uh, instead of the computer animation please.

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, I think we have time for at

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 1>least one more uh consideration here in the episode. So

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.799
<v Speaker 1>for my selection for today, basically I went to my

0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:57.799
<v Speaker 1>son and I said, hey, Joe and I are doing

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 1>these episodes on features from the Star Wars world. What

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>should we cover? And without any deliberation, he said toe grouts.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 1>He's been obsessed with toe groot is over the past year,

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 1>often discussing their key anatomical features, their leak wu and

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 1>their mon trails. Uh, just wondering aloud, what do they

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.359
<v Speaker 1>feel like? What do you know? What is there? How

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:25.759
<v Speaker 1>flexible are they? What? Um? How do they move as

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the as individual toe groutes get older and so forth?

0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>And so very popular discussion area. So I owe it

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to him to consider them here. Now are these the creatures?

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>These are humanoid creatures right, so they're they're like sentient humanoid,

0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 1>not like some space monster and they have a kind

0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 1>of they have a biological feature that kind of looks

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 1>like a long hat or head dress. Yea, they have Yeah,

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 1>they have these uh, these appendages on their head that

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.919
<v Speaker 1>do look like a head dress and certainly strike that

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that chord when you're looking at them and they are um. Yeah.

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 1>So basically, yeah, that you have two different sets. So

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you have the mon trails and these are two large

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.280
<v Speaker 1>cone like horns on the top of their head, sometimes

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.839
<v Speaker 1>said to be hollow. And then you have the leaku.

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 1>These are three fleshy appendages also called head tails that

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:23.359
<v Speaker 1>protrude downward, two on either side beneath the montrels and

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.600
<v Speaker 1>one behind the head. Uh. These are sometimes compared to

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the head appendages of the Twilights, which I believe you're

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.359
<v Speaker 1>familiar with these from Return of the Jedi, Yes, from

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Jab of the Huts, little lackey guy. Yeah. But while

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the leaku of the Twilights, uh, you know, are are

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>supposed to contribute to communication, like they have like subtle

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 1>movements that they make with them, the leaku of the

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 1>toe Gruta seem mostly motionless, though with varying degrees of rigidity.

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.800
<v Speaker 1>They might have to do with age or environmental conditions

0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:59.279
<v Speaker 1>or in many cases like what you know, what what

0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 1>degree flexibility is inherent in the makeup, special effects or

0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>in the computer animations being used. You know, this is

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 1>funny because I was sort of considering picking The Twilight

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 1>actually because I was thinking about, oh, the weird like

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 1>head tails, those things, until I saw you had picked this.

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like we got our head tail basis covered.

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.799
<v Speaker 1>You're going to be the Liku and Montrale's expert here.

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's a little more to talk about

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:28.000
<v Speaker 1>with with the Tgrudas because you have you have these

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 1>two different features going on. Yeah, so, um, in case

0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't know, you're not you don't know offhand who

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about with the Dogrutas, I should point out

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the two most notable to Grutas in the Star Wars galaxy,

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:43.840
<v Speaker 1>both of whom were Jedi. So there's Jedi masters Shocked

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Ti Uh, hero general of the Clone Wars, and Uh.

0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 1>She fought in pivotal battles on Genosis, Camino, and Corrassant

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and served as the Jedi representative on the world of Camino.

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:56.959
<v Speaker 1>And she was killed at the close of the Clone

0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Wars by Darth Vader. But the even more famous uh

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to grout of character is Jedi Commander as Katano, hero

0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 1>of the Clone Wars, later a Rebel operative. Uh. She

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:13.560
<v Speaker 1>was the padawan of Anakin Skywalker and she was voiced

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 1>by Ashley Exstein on the Clone Wars and later played

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 1>in live action by Rossario Dawson. I would say she's

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 1>not only the most beloved Star Wars character of the

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>modern era, but probably at this point one of the

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.960
<v Speaker 1>most beloved Star Wars characters of all time. Like, she's

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.760
<v Speaker 1>she's up there? Wait, why do I not know this character?

0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 1>What does she? What does she? What properties is she from?

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:38.239
<v Speaker 1>So she pops up in the Clone Wars animated series. Um,

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the long the long run, not the initial one. Um,

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you know that that was very short form. This is

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the uh, the later one. Uh the computer animated version. Oh,

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean I like, I like all the the Clone

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Wars animated but but yeah, this one was was particularly good. Uh.

0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Enjoyed going through all that with my son over the

0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 1>past years. But yeah, she's an introduced in a series

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:05.839
<v Speaker 1>early on as as Anakin's padawan, and you follow her

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.760
<v Speaker 1>throughout this whole series. She kind of grows up and

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 1>then as you know, as a as an adult, she's

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a character in the Rebels series, and she finally popped

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>up as a live action character in the second season

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of The Mandalorian, and she's gonna have her own spin

0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>off series, etcetera. She's in all the stuff I haven't seen, right, right,

0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's just a really well fleshed out character. Um,

0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, just a strong female character, and uh in

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 1>an alien character with a lot of depth to them.

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, so often in the Star Wars universe where

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>we're just focusing on the human characters amid the aliens,

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and here we have one of the aliens. Yeah, I mean,

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you gotta love Han Solo, Princess Lea and all them,

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:47.640
<v Speaker 1>but we've got enough humans. I'm gonna have some real

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 1>creatures as heroes. Yeah. So coming back to their biology, Yeah,

0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, they're they're very very human though,

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>but they do have these mon trials and the Leekup.

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So what are they doing? What what are they for? Well,

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 1>as far as the Leeku go, again, they seem to

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 1>play a role in communication, uh in other species, but

0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:12.080
<v Speaker 1>not so in the toegrew or they don't seem to

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to move around or anything. Now, they do seem to

0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 1>grow throughout their life, and there does seem to be

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 1>some degree of sexual dimorphism in that they're longer in

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>females than in males. Um. So obviously they could have

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 1>evolved to aid in mate selection to communicate fitness to

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 1>potential mates. Uh. They are quite colorful and I cut

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 1>catching after all. Uh. And you know, we see this

0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 1>in the wattles of various bird species, for instance, and

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I think leeku are quite comparable to wattles

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 1>in other species like goats. However, wattles or castles as

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.680
<v Speaker 1>there sometimes known, are generally thought to have no purpose.

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I was reading about this in a book book by

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Sue Weaver titled The Goat is Just All about goats

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and how they work. Chapter about the parts that have

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>no purpose. Yeah, pretty much. It seems it seems as

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.920
<v Speaker 1>if or tassels have no purpose. So it's possible that

0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 1>you have this feature in this alien humanoid species that

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:09.000
<v Speaker 1>ultimately has no purpose. But maybe, but you know, is

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.800
<v Speaker 1>a part of of of their anatomy and is you know,

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>factored into their own ideas of beauty and representation. Now,

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 1>as for the montrals, we have a far more specific

0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:22.560
<v Speaker 1>purpose in the star Wars lore. Uh. They allow an

0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>individual to sense the movement of objects around them through

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:30.680
<v Speaker 1>echolocation and um in consens up to eighty two feet

0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 1>or roughly twenty five ms. Now. Echolocation is of course

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the location of objects by reflected sound, used in a

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>number of terrestrial birds and mammals, either used in the

0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>hunting of prey or in the navigation of their environments

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:48.160
<v Speaker 1>such as trees and caves. Um Now, I was looking

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:50.600
<v Speaker 1>around at some possible parallels, and I think a good

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:54.400
<v Speaker 1>comparison for the to gruta might actually be the shrew,

0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>which uses echolocation quote for habitat assessment at close range

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a in too, why do shrew's twitter communication or simple

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 1>echo based orientation by siemens at all published in the

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Royal Society Biology Letters from two thousand and nine. So again,

1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:14.800
<v Speaker 1>this would be a situation where the shrew or perhaps

1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that took gruta, is not using its echolocation like say

1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 1>like a bat, you know, to hunt in a you know,

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a nighttime environment. They would be using it more as

1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:29.360
<v Speaker 1>a way to assist in their understanding of their immediate environment. Now, okay,

1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>so we were with these possible echolocation horns. Again we're

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:37.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about the montrels on the took rudas, but this

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>actually come brings us back to the leak of those

1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:44.560
<v Speaker 1>uh those those tales that are hanging down um, because

1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:49.040
<v Speaker 1>sometimes waddles are used by organisms such as the umbrella

1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:52.520
<v Speaker 1>bird to aid in the production of sounds. So perhaps

1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what's going on with the took root as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we ever see or hear at the

1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:00.640
<v Speaker 1>grouta doing this, but I was wondering if possibly, like

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<v Speaker 1>that's the reason for this combination of headgear, like the

1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:08.000
<v Speaker 1>leakup would have been used at least originally to create

1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 1>sounds that would aid in echolocation that was then picked

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<v Speaker 1>up by the montrels. Oh like you also see I

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<v Speaker 1>think in some marine mammals, like some of the equipment

1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:17.960
<v Speaker 1>on the front of their head is not just used

1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:22.000
<v Speaker 1>for receiving the sounds, but for producing the sounds. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So so again there's nothing. I don't think there's anything

1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:27.520
<v Speaker 1>in the shows too to support this idea. Maybe it's

1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody's written about it, uh and gone to this this area.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but I was thinking, well, okay, on

1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:34.480
<v Speaker 1>one hand, maybe it's simply out of our range of

1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:38.080
<v Speaker 1>hearing as a supposedly you know, human viewer of this

1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:41.000
<v Speaker 1>space drama. Um Or it could have to do with

1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the two to grooted that we spend

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<v Speaker 1>the most time with our our our fourth sensitive and

1:01:46.840 --> 1:01:50.680
<v Speaker 1>their Jedi trained uh so perhaps most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>they have little use for these um more archaic sense features.

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<v Speaker 1>But then again, for sensitivity, would you know it would

1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.040
<v Speaker 1>open up a new sense realm for an individual, But

1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean, I don't know if that would mean

1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:05.600
<v Speaker 1>you would just completely abandon another sense realm, you know,

1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:11.240
<v Speaker 1>even if it was decreased or or partially um you know, atrophied, uh,

1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:14.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, due to evolution. Well, you know, I think

1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:17.200
<v Speaker 1>about in the very first Star Wars movie, how a

1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:20.040
<v Speaker 1>large part of what the forces shown to do is

1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to aid in the guidance of actions without the use

1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:26.400
<v Speaker 1>of senses. So when when Luke is training with Obi

1:02:26.400 --> 1:02:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Wan Kenobi while they're on the way to the Death Star,

1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they put the blast shield down on the helmet so

1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:33.040
<v Speaker 1>that he can't see the remote while he's training with it.

1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:35.480
<v Speaker 1>He's supposed to be able to tell what's there without

1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:38.720
<v Speaker 1>using his primary sense of his eyes the same way. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he turns off his targeting computer when he's

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<v Speaker 1>aiming the proton torpedoes into the death Star. He somehow

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<v Speaker 1>is is abandoning or surrendering is either natural or technologically

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<v Speaker 1>aided senses in in almost as a kind of supplication

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<v Speaker 1>to the power of the force. Right, It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>you put the blast shield down or you turn off

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<v Speaker 1>the targeting you to as a sign of faith, is

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<v Speaker 1>showing that you you truly forsake these senses and you

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<v Speaker 1>trust the force totally. Well, there you go, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>precedent for it after all. So anyway, it's a fun

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<v Speaker 1>exercise I think too, you know, to look at something

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<v Speaker 1>like that on a on a fictional alien species that

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's clearly there, mostly because it looks cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but try to imagine what what could it have done?

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<v Speaker 1>What what could its purpose actually be? And again, some

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<v Speaker 1>of it is baked into the cannon already, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that there is some of these worst sense features of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort. But yeah, it's it's fun to than try

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<v Speaker 1>and break it down further and imagine exactly what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing and what it would be like, uh, to

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<v Speaker 1>have uh, those those montreles and leku um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>without getting into my my son's additional concerns over what

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<v Speaker 1>do they feel like? How flexible? I'm sorry, this is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>We need an answer, Rob, What do they feel like? Oh? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I guess you could say, what does the

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<v Speaker 1>wattle of a bird or or the tassels of a goat?

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<v Speaker 1>What do they feel like? I guess they would be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of flashy and awesome. Um. Yeah, the horns would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of rigid. Uh yeah, And I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>would depend on, you know, how how old they are

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<v Speaker 1>and how you know, if they do they lotion? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they lotion their their their leku enough to keep them

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, you know from getting too dried out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's like the self care manuals for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tokruta. It's like, hey, you know, remember to oil

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<v Speaker 1>your oil your leaku do well? The Jedi tended. They

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<v Speaker 1>seem to take pretty good care of themselves. How often

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<v Speaker 1>you see like a truly scruffy Jedi, That's true. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing I always noticed, Obi Wan Kenobi's beard is so

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<v Speaker 1>well trimmed and sculpted. Yeah, I think you just have

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<v Speaker 1>that extra you have that extra time on your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh, you know, even as even as an

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<v Speaker 1>old Jedi, he took the time. Yoda was pretty scruffy, um,

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<v Speaker 1>especially towards the end, but he was ancient, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's earned it. Okay, should we call part one there?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've got plenty more alien necropsies from the Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars universe to to come back and explore next time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, we have. There's a more fun specimens to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss and to die sect. Uh So in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd love to hear from everyone or what are your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on on giant Star Wars space worms and fleshy

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<v Speaker 1>appendages to alien species? Uh, you know, let us know

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<v Speaker 1>of anything we missed, any details, uh that we're not

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<v Speaker 1>aware of from from Cannon or extended universe that might

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, further fill in some of the holes here.

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