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Speaker 1: stocks are retreating from nine week highs following the SNP

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Speaker 1: five hundred's longest winning streak in five months, after worsening

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Speaker 1: economic data from Asia reignited concern over the outlook for

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Speaker 1: the trading day on Bloomberg SNP five hundred down eight

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Speaker 1: Holding shareholders will nominate airline turnaround artists Gordon Bethune to

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Speaker 1: overhaul the airline's management. We're in Buffett's Berkshire. Hathaway said

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Speaker 1: a two decade long joint venture to sell vaccines in

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Speaker 1: He's wells Fargo, and he thinks about what to do

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Speaker 1: with money, particularly in a single digit world. Brian, you

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Speaker 1: beautifully revisit dollar cost averaging, which by definition works within

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Speaker 1: greater volatility and a double digit world. Can dollar cost

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Speaker 1: averaging work in a lethargic, low return world? Well, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on, And uh, you know it's not

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Speaker 1: true method of saving early and saving often, which entails

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Speaker 1: dollar cost averaging. The problems I think everybody's trying to

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Speaker 1: when they're doing their allocations and living in a binary

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Speaker 1: world like that can create a lot of volatility with

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Speaker 1: your portfolio. And in fact, if you have a volatile market,

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Speaker 1: the dollar cost averaging can really help you sort of

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Speaker 1: smooth out the cost basis of your portfolio. Yes, ideally

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Speaker 1: we'd like to pick the bottom for getting in, but

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Speaker 1: that's somewhat of a pool's errand yeah, but within that

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Speaker 1: is the new regime we're in. I mean, if we

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Speaker 1: I think that dollar cost averaging where you're doing it

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Save early, save often. Let me bring up

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Speaker 1: shaky retirement structure of the nation. Mike, I can't say

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