1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Time, Joe Matthew in Washington, thank you for joining us 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: on the fastest hour in politics, on an historic day 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: in Washington, as President Zelenski arrives here in the capital 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: to meet with President Biden and to deliver an historic 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: address a short time later tonight to a joint session 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: of Congress. It's on the eve of congressional votes on 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: a massive budget that includes billions of dollars for Ukraine. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: As we just heard live on Bloomberg, President Biden announcing 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: the next round of aid ahead of that budget vote, 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: one eight five billion dollar package of security assistants and 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: includes both direct transfers of equipment to you the Ukraine needs, 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: as well as contracts to supply ammunition Ukraine will need 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: in the months ahead for its artillery, its tanks and 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: its rocket launcher. And that includes a Patriot air defense 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: missile battery, which has been long sought. We've talked about 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: it here on sound On more than once. President Zelenski 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: was quick to note that something that will strengthen our 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: air defense significantly. This is a very important step to 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: create secure airspace for Ukraine, and that's the only way 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: we would be able to deprive the terrorist country and 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: their terror attack to attack to strike our energy sector, 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: our people, and our infrastructure. President Zelinski's trip was kept 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: secret until the very last minute. He arrived at the 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: south portico of the White House around two o'clock this afternoon. 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Pretty we stood momentarily with President Biden First Lady as 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: well before heading inside for a meeting in the Oval 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Office after emerging from a black suv. Now, for the 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: next hour, we're gonna bring you up to date on 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: all that has happened so far today in the nation's 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: capital and what else is coming tonight. So let's assemble 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: the panel. Glad to say they're both with us. Bloomberg 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis. Rick, welcome back. 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: It's great to have you. Last time I spoke with you, 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: we didn't know this was going to be coming today. 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: We didn't know this officially even twenty four hours ago. 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: But now that this is often running, the impact of 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: this visit is hard to underscore politically and financially for 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: this President of Ukraine. Yeah, this is a perfectly timed event. 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: If you if you could actually orchestrate things like this 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: in the real world, I mean, you've got this massive 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: spending bill making its way through Congress tonight, with you know, 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: forty billion dollars of support for the war effort. You 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: have Vladimir Putin annihilating the cities of Ukraine with these 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: strikes on civilian population centers, and and and and you 45 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: really are getting the sense that part of what this 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: administration and Bide administration is trying to do with this 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: visit is to talk about the fact that we're gonna 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: be well in THEE and so let's get ready for it. 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: So even though we're having this massive event today, UH 50 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: mostly focused on getting money in and support available, it's 51 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: for the war effort in and making that transition. Chuck Schumer, 52 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi. This is one thing, Genie, with 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: hearing from Republicans as another, knowing that there is some 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: skepticism among a certain part of the Republican Party. Conservative 55 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Republicans in the House, Kevin McCarthy could be counted among them. 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: Although you know, the blank check reference was very different 57 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: than what we've heard from some of the rank and file. 58 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell seemed to be speaking to them today, channeling 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: this argument to his own caucus. Genie listened to what 60 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: he said about the reluctance of approving more money. Ukrainian 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: people are courageous and innocent, and they deserve our help. 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: President Zelenski is an aspiring leader. But the most basic 63 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: reasons for continuing to help Ukraine degrade and defeat the 64 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Russian invaders are cold hard, practical American in cold hard 65 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: practical American interest. Genie, did Joe Biden, did Voladimir Zelenski 66 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: succeed in making that argument? Yeah? I think they are. 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: And we heard Zelenski say the reason he is here, 68 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: to Rick's point, is to talk to the Congress about 69 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: what is going to happen next year, which suggests this 70 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: is going to be prolonged, and he knows he's going 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: to need bi cameral and bipartisan support so the funding 72 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: keeps coming. And that's the you know, real push he 73 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: is making here. And of course we have heard as 74 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: this omnibus works his way through Congress that you have 75 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: Republicans pushing, particularly in the House, for an on mass 76 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: vote against it. And so this kind of push is 77 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: critically important. And as we are all in the United 78 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: States about of the population facing a cold spell in 79 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: the next few days, and in a pretty big storm. 80 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: Zelenski asked Americans to imagine what it would be like 81 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: to be in Kiv and in Ukraine with you know, 82 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: two hours of rashening of electricity a day. So it's 83 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: a kind of argument he's going to continue to make, 84 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: and it suggests this thing is going to go on 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: for a long time. And let's not forget we have 86 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: about eighty six new members coming into Congress who've never 87 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: voted on aid for Ukraine. That's going to be critically 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: important that they hear this argument as well. There's another 89 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: important event today, another occurrence that's happening to coincide with 90 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: all of this. You couldn't plan it this way if 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: you wanted to, Rick, at least, I don't think so. 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: But Chuck Schumer referred to it this morning on the 93 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Senate floor. President Salinski could not arrive at a more 94 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: crucial moment for the Senate. We're not only voting to 95 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: approve more emergency wartime funding, but today here in the Senate, 96 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: we will also vote to confirm the US Ambassador to Russia, 97 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Lynn Tracy, who will be tasked with standing up to Putin. 98 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: Well as a matter of fact, that happened a short 99 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: time later. On this vote, the eyes or nine three 100 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: the names or to the nomination is confirmed. Lynn Tracy confirmed. 101 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine this job, first of all, 102 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: at this point in time, Rick, with the significance of 103 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: that happening today, what does that mean for the conversation 104 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: if there even is one between the US and Russia. 105 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: I think it's perfectly time to be able to have 106 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: somebody on the ground in Moscow making the arguments. You 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: know that Vandamir Putin and his regime have silenced free 108 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: press in that country, but they can't silence a U. 109 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: S ambassador. And and so here's an opportunity to take 110 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: it to him on his own turf. And Uh, I 111 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: wish we'd had an ambassador there all along, right, I mean, 112 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: our interests are well served by having someone there who 113 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: can stand up to this regime and and and and 114 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: make sure that the Russian people know the resolve of 115 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: the American government and American people. And that's exactly what 116 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: Ambassador Tracy and uh uh, that team is going to 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: be able to do now. Currently serves as the Ambassador 118 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: to Armenia. She's had that post since twenty nine. This 119 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: nomination went in at the end of barely the end 120 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: of September. Genie, why why so long? You know, it 121 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: has taken a long time, far too long. She's replacing 122 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: John Sullivan. It was an important vote, the last thing, 123 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, except for the Omnibus, their life of the session. 124 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: That's right. And she is also importantly the first woman 125 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: to hold this position, and she is a career Foreign 126 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: Service officer. She comes with a lot of background. This 127 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: should have been pushed through sooner it wasn't, but thankfully 128 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: it was done today, and it is fitting timing because 129 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: of course you see people like Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, 130 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: the leadership on both sides of Congress supportive of US 131 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: aid for Ukraine. But if people don't think that support 132 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: is widespread, you know, it really is in the leadership 133 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: in Congress. But as you go down in parts of 134 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: the Republican Party and even some parts of the Democratic 135 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: Party on the left, it is starting to splinter. The 136 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: latest polls showing an increase in questioning about the amount 137 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: of support. And it's a lot of support the US 138 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: has given. And you know, I hate to point you 139 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 1: to this, but look at the horrible thing that Donald 140 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: Trump Jr. Said on Twitter today. If you want a 141 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: sense of how this is playing out in some of 142 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: the far rate circles, it's pretty deplorable. But it's got 143 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: to be addressed because it is the kind of thing 144 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: that is seeping in and it will confront Congress as 145 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: they try to push through this aid next year. Interesting 146 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: word you chose their Marjorie Taylor Green also was tweeting 147 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: or true thing or whatever in the world. It was 148 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: what you would expect to heart at the stage of 149 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: the game. But I don't know if that's the audience 150 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: here tonight, Rick, If we can kind of move to 151 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: what we're going to hear and what we're going to see. 152 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: The optics are historic here. We know that the Cabinet 153 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: has been invited, the Joint Chiefs invited. Uh, it's unclear 154 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: to me if the Supreme Court was invited. But this 155 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: is going to have the feel of a state of 156 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the Union once that starts. Once those optics are in place, Rick, 157 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: the rules start to change. Right. Everyone's a tough guy 158 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: when they're talking in the gallery and talking to a 159 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: reporter in the hallway, But that's historic and that's got 160 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: to be impactful. Tonight, no question about it. Uh. This 161 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: is the platform of power, right when you can be 162 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: a foreign leader and show up on US soil and 163 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: get a joint session of Congress at a time that 164 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: is so important like this at the very end of 165 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: this session, Uh, it speaks to the really convening capability 166 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: of the US government and and writ large right the 167 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Administration and Congress all joining together in support of this 168 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: individual in his country and his people, and that will 169 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: echo throughout the world. That will not only support the 170 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: agenda that this administration has to support Ukraine amongst Americans, 171 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: but this will have an incredible residence in Europe and 172 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: all around the world. And so those regimes that are 173 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: you know, not willing to sanction Russia are going to 174 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: have to start thinking that US resolve is very clear. 175 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: Here we join together with President Zelinsky in support of 176 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people against the Russian invasion. And that's going 177 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: to be a reminder to the world. And this is 178 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: the best place in the world to do it from, 179 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: with a room full of people likely standing in applauding Genie. 180 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't feel like the conversation is going to be 181 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: a lot about resistance to supporting the war effort. Uh, 182 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: we understand by the way that he's going to do 183 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: this in English and without its helprompter. This is an 184 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: incredible test of skill. I realized he used to be 185 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: an actor, but that's not something a president of the 186 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: United States what it's held. No, no, it's not. And 187 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: he has proven himself very very adept and to be 188 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: a very moving speaker. And I think it's going to 189 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: be a speech for the ages, and particularly fitting that 190 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi. This is one of her last acts in 191 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the House. She said in a letter today her father 192 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: was in the house when Churchill spoke in ninety one. 193 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: That's how personal this is to her. And we also 194 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: heard that she was one of the first to broker 195 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: the idea of this visit in October. So it's going 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: to be really fitting for her to be there, and 197 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: she's really urging members of Congress to be there. But 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: of course many also have to get home for Christmas, 199 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: and we have a storm, so it's to be a question, 200 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: I think of how many members are there, and of course, 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: if the Senate is voting, does that keep them out 202 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: of it. But it's going to be interesting to see 203 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: what the response is like in that room because he 204 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: is quite a moving speaker. Ricky spent a career on 205 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. What's happening behind the scenes right now? What 206 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: are the leaders doing in their offices as they prepare 207 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: for his arrival? Well, they're they're they're doing two things. One, 208 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: they're they're getting together with their colleagues and their friends 209 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: to you know, assemble and and and get over there. 210 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: And they are talking about the same kind of conversation 211 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: we have, what kind of impact is this going to have? 212 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: What can we say about it afterwards? But they're also 213 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: probably looking at their flights, as Jennie said, and saying, 214 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: how the hell we get out of this place because 215 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: it's about to be knocked down by a storm tonight 216 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: or what So there's a lot of schedulers who are 217 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: working over tonight. Chuck Schumer said it could happen as 218 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: early as tonight. Is that just uh, wild thinking projecting 219 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: or is that reality? No? I think Chuck Schumer is 220 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: a master of Washington tactics, and and he knows that 221 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: he's got the wind at his back literally sixty and 222 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: headed this way, and and he wants to get a 223 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: vote and get out of here too. So he's gonna 224 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: use this session. He's going to use the weather uh 225 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: to uh to to land this vote as quickly as 226 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: he can can actually get people back in the chamber 227 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: and voting. Great to have Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzano 228 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: back together there with us for the rest of the 229 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: hour here and coming up a fascinating conversation with Congressman 230 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Dan Kilde, the Democrat from Michigan, who's not only going 231 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: to be in the chamber tonight and has been part 232 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: of this conversation and helping to plan for the event, 233 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: but he's also on the Ways and Means Committee. He 234 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: had a late night as they voted to make Donald 235 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: Trump's tax return six years worth public. That's coming up 236 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: next on sound on This is Bloomberg So On with 237 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President Zelenski will be in 238 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: the speaker's rostrum of the U. S. House in less 239 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: than two hours to speak before a joint session of 240 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Congress of First We use this phrase a lot, but 241 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: in this case, indeed the world will be watching. And 242 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: we're joined by one of the members who will be 243 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: in the chamber for this address, Congressman Dan Kildy, Democrat 244 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: from Michigan, is coming off a very late night, I 245 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: guess I should say early morning for the Ways and 246 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: Means Committee, as they voted to make Donald Trump's tax 247 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: returns public, so we have a bit to discuss. Congressman Kilty, 248 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: welcome back to Bloomberg. Thank you so much to having on. 249 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Well, this is a big week for Congress. 250 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate your making time for us in historic week. 251 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: I think we can say not only the budget process 252 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: that we're going through for next year and your committee's 253 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: decision to release Donald Trump's tax returns, but also the 254 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: address tonight by President Zelenski, and i'd like to start 255 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: their Congressman, how important will this speech be and helping 256 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: to galvanize support for war funding in the new Congress. Well, 257 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: I think it's very important, and it comes at a 258 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: really critical time. As of course, we all know there's 259 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: a transition taking place in the Congress, and that transitions 260 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: some questions about Congress's commitment to the people of Ukraine 261 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: to continue to help them in their effort to beat 262 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: back this you know, this unwarranted incourasion, this attack on 263 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: their sovereignty by Putin's forces. We can't step back from 264 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: the promise that the make of the people of Ukraine. 265 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: And so his presence here, meeting with the President of 266 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: the United States invest in Congress this evening will help 267 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: our hope clarifying why it's so important that the United 268 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: States stay strong and that waiver in this commitment. I 269 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: hope it's not the case, although the signals that we're 270 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: getting from some uh, you know, in around Kevin the Penalty, 271 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: indicate that there are questions about us support. I think 272 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: we need to erase those questions. Well, I wonder if 273 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: to what extent President Zelenski does that by showing up 274 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: in person. We've heard from Kevin McCarthy, We've heard from 275 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gates, and others who are serving 276 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: in the House is saying not another dollar, no blank checks. 277 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: It's different though, sometimes when you sit face to face 278 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: with someone who's asking you for help, there is no 279 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: question about it. Particularly this leader. There's demonstrated just incredible, resolved. 280 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: It's very compelling figure. Uh. And then you know the 281 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: interactions that I've had with him, zoom, I spend time 282 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: with him, you know, are powerful enough. I suspect standing 283 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: in the roster as a you know, the House of Representator, 284 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: this before a joint session of Congress, making this case 285 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: dose got to have some effect. I don't have to 286 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: change the minds of Michael Taylor Green and Matt Gates, 287 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: but I hope it affects the way, uh, the incoming 288 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: potential speaking McCarthy takes a look at our obligation, as 289 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, a beacon of democracy to support the democratic 290 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: societies like Ukraine as they're trying to struggle against the 291 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: unwarranted attack on them. Of course, it's no mistake this 292 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: is happening on the eve of this budget vote for 293 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: billion dollars for Ukraine. Will it pass? I've be lave 294 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: it will. It will unfortunately task without Republican support in 295 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the House, but I expect the Senate to be able 296 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: to pass this into a bipartisan fashion. It has really 297 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: been a free party negotiation Republicans and Democrats in the Senate, 298 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: Democrats in the House Dipomacarty's essentially said that he's not 299 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: on board with the spending bill, and in fact seems 300 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: to have joined the chorus of the most pradical members 301 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: in the Republican conference. We are saying that they will 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: punish Republican senators who vote in favor of the spending 303 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: bill by basically, you know, not supporting or not even 304 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: accepting any legislation that those senators will awful. I think 305 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: that's a dangerous precedent. Well, we'll see, particularly when those 306 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: senators make up a good chunk of the leadership. It's 307 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell how anything could ever get done. Yeah, 308 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I think unfortunately a lot of this is all involving 309 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: on UM. We're saying McCarthy's effort to secure the two 310 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: team votes requires to become speaking. You know, I don't 311 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: learned a long time ago. UM. You know, in the 312 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: in pursuit of position of power, UM, you have to 313 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: draw the line at some point in time. And I 314 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: unfortunately think that there's some evidence that Ms McCarthy has 315 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: failed to see that. It's disappointing and it's not a 316 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: good signal for what we expect to see in this 317 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: coming turn of Congress. I guess you're not voting for 318 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: him for Speaker. I think you can count on there. So, Congressman, 319 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: before the Ways and Means Committee voted last night, and 320 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: of course you serve on that Committee to release Donald 321 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: Trump's tax returns. I went back to the original request 322 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: that was made by your committee, and you spoke in 323 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: a news briefing to the legal authority to do this. 324 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: Three of the Code is very clear. The Chairman of 325 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: the Ways and Means Committee can request the copy of 326 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: these returns, and the i R S Commissioner is legally 327 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: bound to provide them. Fast forward too, and here we are, Congressman. 328 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: Republicans say, you just said a very dangerous precedent. While 329 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: it's legal, The ranking member on the committee, Kevin Brady, says, 330 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: our tax returns now could be made public for the 331 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: sake of politics. Is he wrong? Then what we did 332 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: is not only legal, but was validated by the Supreme 333 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: Court of the United States November twenty two, when finally, 334 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: um those returns were released to the committee as a 335 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: result of the Chief Justice Robert's decision. So it's clear 336 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: that it's legal. I don't think it sets a dangerous precedent. 337 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: I actually think the most dangerous precedent that we could 338 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: set is the hand before us evidence that the I 339 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: R S failed to live up to their own obligation 340 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: to audit the President of the United States. They simply 341 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: didn't do it, and we have tax returns that we've 342 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: been able to examine. The show really serious red flag, 343 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, the ocean that the precedent was a dangerous 344 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: precedent to ACT. I think the most dangerous precedent would 345 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: be for Congress to look at those two pieces of 346 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: information and just say, oh, well, you know, to me, 347 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: that sends a message, the message being that if you're 348 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: powerful and wealthy, you can continue to secret the laws. 349 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: We decided we're not going to allow that to happen, 350 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: and so we forwarded disinformation onto the U. S. House 351 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: of Representatives with the legislative proposal to fix it. And 352 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: you know what, that's the job I was elected to do. 353 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: If it makes sense, people uncomfortable because they want to 354 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: continue to sort of, you know, circle the wagons around 355 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, They're gonna have to explain that, you know, 356 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: to their constituents why they would prefer not to ACT. 357 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it as a good conscience. So 358 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: what happens next year? How and when will they be 359 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: made public? Well, we're our staff. There's a democratic and 360 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: with public staff, our work to product from those returns 361 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: any of their insensitive personal pieces of information you know, 362 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: social security numbers, taps, identification numbers, addresses, you know, even 363 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: bank record numbers, things of that nature should be redactive. 364 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: We don't want to have that implementation in public, you know, 365 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: in public do but that should take you know, a 366 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: matter of hours and days that needs so I would 367 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: suspect with them the next couple of days. Uh, those 368 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: those documents would be available. You've seen them. Are we 369 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: in for something here? Yes, I think it's fascinating to 370 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: take a look at these returns in the lack of 371 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: documentation for huge cash charitable contributions for example, or loans 372 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: and you know team family members or you know, conservation 373 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: easements that are enormous, and then the lack of responsibility 374 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: to actually pay taxes. Two of the taxes Presidents from 375 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: paid seven seven fifty dollars in federal income taxes one 376 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: year zero. There's no circumstance that I can explain to 377 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: a teacher or a firefighter bath Head that they have 378 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: to pay their taxes or they're going to face severe penalty. 379 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: And a person who happens to be the President of 380 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: the United States has the pleasuring Department in the IRS 381 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: essentially under his control. Can flout the law, not pay 382 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: taxes and continue to be one of the wealthiest people 383 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: in the country, according to his own characterization. I can't 384 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: explain that. And when when when one looks at these returns, Yeah, 385 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: it's um it's it's very concerning that not only was 386 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: not audited, but there are sanity red flags that one 387 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: would think the I R s would have, you know, 388 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: would have pursued these facts, and they just didn't. As 389 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: he was telling reporters he couldn't show them his tax 390 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: returns because he was being audited. It's kind of interesting. 391 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: Is he as wealthy as he claims to be? Well, 392 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: he is, but you know, I don't know much about 393 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: what he puts into these tax returns of the depiction 394 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: of his wealth and income. But when I see you know, 395 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: his wage income as small as it is, and his 396 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: enormous losses. Most of the taxes that we looked at, 397 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: he had enormous losses where actually didn't not only didn't 398 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: make money but lost In an assents at night, it 399 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: just doesn't end up. Conversation with Congressman Dan Kelty, Democrat 400 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: from Michigan here on Bloomberg Sound On, We'll be looking 401 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: for him in the chamber tonight. I'm actually going to 402 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: head over there in just a couple of moments to 403 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: the US Capital for the speech from President Zelenskip let's 404 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel. Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano are back 405 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors, and I suppose before we talk again 406 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: here in some final thoughts about the Zelenski visit, I'd 407 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: like to hear from you on the tax returns, because 408 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: a lot has been said, and we just got it 409 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: straight from a member of the Ways and Means Committee 410 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: who was in that room during the executive session last evening. 411 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: We heard as well from the Chair, Richard Neil, once 412 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: that vote was made and the decision made to make 413 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: the returns public. This was never about being punitive. It 414 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: was never about being malicious. I never overpromised, I never 415 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: built an unreasonable level of expectation, and time it again, 416 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: I refrained from the questions in the hallway that you 417 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: posed to me because I was not about to upset 418 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: a very sensitive court case. The other thing that happened, 419 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: much to your dislike, was that there were no leaks 420 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: that occurred from the committee. Those things are true, Rick Davis, 421 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: did the committee comport itself properly in this case, I 422 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: think they handled this pretty professionally, am. And this is 423 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: what we expect out of the Ways of Means Committee, 424 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: really one of the top notch committees on Congress, incredibly 425 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: influential and important. And and I thought they handled it well. 426 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: I I really, you know, it's it's kind of like, wow, 427 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, there's gambling here, and it's a classic you know. Um. Uh. 428 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: We didn't expect to see anything other than the fact 429 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: that he doesn't pay taxes, I mean, and and and 430 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: and his embarrassment is that people think he might not 431 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: be worth as much as he claims he is, so 432 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: like who cares? So then politically it's a nothing burger. 433 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: It's a total nothing burger. I think Democrats obsessed over 434 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: this for too long. But like by them obsessing, they 435 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: got Donald Trump to obsess about it. And and I mean, honestly, 436 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: he would have been better off producing these in real 437 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: time and not having an issue like this and just 438 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: owning up to the fact that his empire can generate 439 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: losses as much as his income and uh and call 440 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: it a day. But we're there now, uh and uh 441 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: And frankly, I can't imagine this being a big issue 442 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: in the future, other than the fact that I guess 443 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: the I R S wasn't auditing the president as they're 444 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: supposed to do for any president. And I think this 445 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: at least points out a deficiency in the regulatory code there, 446 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: and they're gonna tryna firm that up in legislation before 447 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: they leave for Christmas. Yeah, Richard Neal did say he's 448 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: put up legislation that will fix that little problem, make it, 449 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, very mandatory, and I thought it was mandatory. 450 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: But Jennie, you were with us last night when they 451 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: went into executive session. Kevin Brady, the Congressman from Texas 452 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: ranking member, was not happy. I understand that everyone was 453 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: professional in that executive session, but this is what he 454 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: said when he came out. Democrats and the Ways Means 455 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: Committee have unleashed a dangerous new political weapon that overturns 456 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: decades to privacy protections grab his taxpayer. Is he right, Genie, 457 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: when you consider the privacy implications here or did Dan 458 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: Kildy just prove him wrong? You know, I think it's 459 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: going to be an issue that Republicans will keep talking about. 460 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: Dave long long been saying that This is a slippery slope, 461 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: and I think what they're gonna do is they're going 462 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: to flip this on Democrats going forward, and then they're 463 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: not going to really have a leg to stand on. 464 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: And and that's pretty much par for the course. But 465 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: I do think it is important. I'm not sure they 466 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: had to release the tax filings they have. I don't 467 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: know to what political end, but the reality is the 468 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: I R S had a responsibility to be doing these 469 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: audits and they didn't until the day the Committee asked 470 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: for information on this, and that is very very telling. 471 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: So the Committee was absolutely within their rights to investigate this. Again, 472 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: the release it is what it is. It's going to 473 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: come back to haunt the Democrats. We know that already. 474 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: And of course it is embarrassing for Donald Trump if 475 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: anything could be at this point, you know, this is 476 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: somebody who paid zero taxes and there's people who are making, 477 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, working you know, two jobs and and raising 478 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: a family who are paying more taxes than Donald Trump. 479 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: And it should be embarrassing, but at this point it won't. 480 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing, Rick, to add to your 481 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: point that that this was largely known. We just didn't 482 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: have you know, confirming numbers and so forth. The New 483 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: York Times kind of nailed it right when they when 484 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: they had the tax returns and published details. What did 485 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: the what had killed? He tell us two years he 486 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: paid seven hundred and fifty dollars, another year he paid zero. 487 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: They actually had that story right. Yeah, they had it right. 488 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Their source was correct. Uh, they found it uh the 489 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: way the New York Times and other investigative reporters do 490 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: the hard way, right and uh and so again. Uh, 491 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of just ratifies what we already know. It 492 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: points out some deficiencies in the system. Uh and um, 493 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: and it reinforces um, you know, and not so pleasant 494 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: imagery of Donald Trump, you know uh uh not not 495 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: making a lot of money and and hiding what he 496 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: is probably making in order to not pay taxes on it. 497 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: And it's just at a time when his star is 498 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: crashing to the ground. It's just another reminder is to 499 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: how much baggage he carries around politically. And by the way, 500 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about an announced candidate for president, right, so 501 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: this is not just some guy walking around. He's uh, 502 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: he's a former president and a current candidate trying to president. 503 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: Job back unbelievable. Rick and Jennie in our final moments 504 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: as we prepare for this speech from President Zelenski about 505 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: ninety minutes from now, I want to bring you back 506 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: to the Oval Office for what I thought was a 507 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: pretty important moment today. It didn't have to do with 508 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: war funding or Patriot missiles. But he told President Biden 509 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: as they sat in front of the fireplace, the story 510 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: having gone to the don Boss just yesterday. He was 511 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: in the battlefield yesterday and he spoke with a captain 512 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: in the Ukrainian Army, the captain of a Jimar's battery, 513 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: who asked him to pass his award to President Biden 514 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: to carry it with him to Washington. Listen to how 515 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: this went. I wanted, what guy, He's really real hero, 516 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: real captain And he asked me to bess his a 517 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: war and he asked me to bess his award. President Biden, 518 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you will understand he is the captain Folkheimer's battery. Yes, 519 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: he's very brave, and he said, give it to very 520 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: brave President, and I want to give you that in 521 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: the cross Cross for military marrit that is why military merit. 522 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: He handed it over with a letter from that captain 523 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: the press pool. Later, Jeannie reported that President Biden returned 524 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: with a gift of his own, two command coins, one 525 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: for that captain and one for President Zelenski. These are 526 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: the moments that people need to be aware of, along 527 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: with the debate over funding of war. Yeah, and it 528 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: again speaks to the fact President Biden has long said 529 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: that foreign policy relations depend on face to face relationships, 530 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: and he proved at today. It's critically important and of 531 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: course very moving for Joe Biden, who often talks about 532 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: his late son and the fact that he gave his life, 533 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: as the President believes, in service to war. And so 534 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure for the President it's a letter and a 535 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: medal he's going to be carrying around with him for 536 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: a long time. I suspect that President Zelenski will have 537 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: those command coins or that command coin with him tonight 538 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: on the rostrum. Rick, Yeah, he's gonna be feeling that 539 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: in his pocket all the way home tonight to what 540 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: an incredible visit, twelve hours, huge impact. Let's get him 541 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: home safe, Rick and Genie, thank you so much. Our 542 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: signature panel special coverage tonight, seven thirty p m. Washington Time. 543 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: I'll see you from the Capitol. I'm Joe Matthew. This 544 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: is Gloomer