Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two eighty seven,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Daily Hei Guys YI production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. I think my voice is like
Speaker 1: seventy percent back. The only way I find that out
Speaker 1: is when I screamed our Daily's. I guess I'd hear
Speaker 1: all the different little crackling in my vocal cord and
Speaker 1: figure out, Yeah, we're getting there. We're making progress here.
Speaker 1: Check in check, can't check. Yeah, just checking in all
Speaker 1: the all the different registers, all the levels. It is Tuesday,
Speaker 1: May sixteenth, twenty twenty three. You love this day. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you gotta love it, folks.
Speaker 2: International Day of Living Together in Peace Day, Yeah, National
Speaker 2: Classic Movie Day, National Biographers Day, Yeah, Graphers Yeah, National
Speaker 2: Love of Tree Day, National Sea Monkey Day, National check
Speaker 2: your white Fursday.
Speaker 1: Your damn wipers. I just did that the.
Speaker 2: Other day, and they were brittle stones that were merely
Speaker 2: just going to smear water across my windshield. National Mimosa Day,
Speaker 2: National Piercing Day, National Day.
Speaker 1: This is like there's a ton anyway, man.
Speaker 2: That's honor our LGBT Elder's Day, National Barbecue Day. I
Speaker 2: heard that one nation will do something good for your neighbors,
Speaker 2: like just fucking just enjoy, just check your wife.
Speaker 1: It feels like it could be a redneck comedy tour punchline.
Speaker 1: You might want to check your wipers. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the build up to that. That's where you
Speaker 1: need chat GPT, where you just go create a stand
Speaker 1: up routine where the entire brand is built off this punchline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you may want to check your wipers. Also, the International
Speaker 1: Day of Peaceful Humans Living Together feels like it was
Speaker 1: written by cat GPT or someone who just is trying
Speaker 1: to convent pretend that they're human. Yeah, just trying to
Speaker 1: look but you know, it's it's just urging people to
Speaker 1: live together. I think it was after in response to
Speaker 1: World War II. Iy Ay, that's what that World War
Speaker 1: made me say. Yea, yea. My name is Jack O'Brien
Speaker 1: aka NBA sad Boy. Oh man, my sixers, those dang
Speaker 1: sixers they did it again. Yeah, I'm not gonna not
Speaker 1: gonna freak out like everyone thinks. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: no longer have sadness in me to give to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you knew all along. I did. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of wild, like once you get to this point with
Speaker 1: a team where you're like paying a lot of attention
Speaker 1: to them, you actually know that they're going to lose.
Speaker 1: Like that that game, the Game seven that they lost
Speaker 1: on Sunday Mother's Day. Thank you the NBA was that
Speaker 1: game was always lost, right, it was. It was written
Speaker 1: in stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beginning of the season, your prediction was crashed out
Speaker 2: of the second round.
Speaker 1: The second round. They have a gravitational equilibrium and it
Speaker 1: is the second round and everything else is just you know,
Speaker 1: shuffling the deck. But we're we're going out in the
Speaker 1: second round and we're not gonna do it in style necessarily.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited about the rest of the playoffs without
Speaker 1: them and rooting on your Los Angeles Lakers. Oh yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: who am I talking to? Oh? You know, to join
Speaker 1: by my co host, mister Miles grow.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Miles Greg Greg Gray of the Los Angeles
Speaker 2: Gregers aka Lebron Grahames aka Anthony Gravis aka ruy Hachi
Speaker 2: Moro's cousin. I'll just say that, you know, shout out
Speaker 2: to black and must God out there, Uh yes, and
Speaker 2: shout out to every all the Lakers fans out there,
Speaker 2: and sadly the Arsenal fans, because while I am a
Speaker 2: Laker fan, I'm also an Arsenal supporter. And we we
Speaker 2: also fucked the bed a bit this weekend, losing three
Speaker 2: nil to Brighton and basically just kissed any chance, any.
Speaker 1: Hope of the Premier League trophy goodbye.
Speaker 2: So in a similar way, I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if we can win it as Arsenal, and they
Speaker 2: also proved me right in that sense very last.
Speaker 1: Time Arsenal one.
Speaker 2: Oh well, we'd have to go back to the season
Speaker 2: of our Lord two thousand and three, two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, so I mean there's there's some winning
Speaker 1: there though. Yeah. I mean luckily I was.
Speaker 2: I've been supporting the team since prior to that and
Speaker 2: the previous premiership that we won before that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's but let me tell you, Jack, going from
Speaker 2: three to four to now is fucking.
Speaker 1: Pay rough sled ride down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but you know it is what it is.
Speaker 2: But also, hey, I'm glad to see that Tottenham won't
Speaker 2: make the Champions League.
Speaker 1: So hold that one. Yeah, that's why, Like my main
Speaker 1: thing is just that the Celtics don't win the title,
Speaker 1: so anything that can be done to prevent them. Fair
Speaker 1: Celtics fairs are like, gosh, why are you like so many?
Speaker 1: It's because I'm a sick person. And it doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It is not the Happiness Lab with
Speaker 1: doctor Lori Santos. We're not over here on some like
Speaker 1: mild mannered, well balanced over here. I'm a broken person. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Miles speaking of broken persons, and that's not true. Speaking
Speaker 1: of one of my favorite directors, he's very funny podcast
Speaker 1: host and he made some of the best videos at Cracked,
Speaker 1: some of my favorite short comedy sketches anywhere. I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: that he and TDZ favorite Michael Swam of Those Aren't
Speaker 1: Muskets Fame are teaming up to make a new film
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Speaker 1: We will link off to where in the footnotes. But
Speaker 1: please welcome to this show. The brilliant, the talented, hebe
Speaker 1: aperson maybe babe.
Speaker 3: My thank you for letting me be here. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know Sully the waters of the daily Zeitgeist. Are
Speaker 3: you share Jack your pain?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? As a Warriors fan, oh, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm humping the Nuggies take it all the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it's it's that's my favorite part about
Speaker 2: losing is you're like, well, now this team is my champion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get to choose one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited to be rooting for Jimmy Butler
Speaker 1: against the Celtics. The Celtics fans are extremely confident, which
Speaker 1: is just how Jimmy Butler wants them. They're confident like
Speaker 1: a bunch of teenagers at Camp Crystal Lake, you know,
Speaker 1: with care in the world, and Jimmy Butler is just
Speaker 1: off the quarter reference for the kids. Yeah, something for
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, exciting times.
Speaker 1: Exciting yeah yeah yeah, well you know, real to be
Speaker 1: an exciting summer because yeah, you got you got quite
Speaker 1: the wage bill over there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. The Warriors, it's gonna it's it's gonna be murder.
Speaker 1: Jah Rule just shows up as Abe. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: a couple of things that we are talking about from
Speaker 1: the news. We're going to talk about Jordan Neely and
Speaker 1: the new Kyle Rittenhouse. The person who murdered Jordan Neely
Speaker 1: is now a cause Celebrae on the right. So well,
Speaker 1: we'll just talk about the way they're speaking about that
Speaker 1: story on the right, and another opportunity to show they
Speaker 1: actually don't know the Bible that they do. But hey,
Speaker 1: as a text, not not overlyaf familiar or reading comprehension,
Speaker 1: leaving something or be desired a new reality just dropped
Speaker 1: reality pro I think is what they're calling it. Apple
Speaker 1: is expected to release some goggles in a couple of
Speaker 1: week and this is like one I remember. This was
Speaker 1: what it was like before the iPad came out, where
Speaker 1: it was like, oh shit, this like what's it going
Speaker 1: to be? Is it going to be? You know, because
Speaker 1: the iPhone was the last big thing that they had
Speaker 1: dropped their right iPad. I mean that shit's gonna be
Speaker 1: like it's gonna have magic powers. Is gonna be like
Speaker 1: a hoverboard that you've got to ride on to work
Speaker 1: and then use as a screen. And yeah, so people
Speaker 1: are excited about these goggles. Well I'm not. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about it, Miles, but what you have to understand is
Speaker 1: please tell me I actually I don't fully get it.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that. We'll talk Richie dreif Drife
Speaker 1: Dicky Dry Dry because he has some interesting takes. All
Speaker 1: of that plenty more. But first, abe Eperson, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 3: Ooh man, I'm gonna I'm gonna reveal myself and my
Speaker 3: like weird interests. I'm fascinated with subcultures right. In some
Speaker 3: cases it's like the joy of seeing, like go human
Speaker 3: go kind of like witnessing, you know, the beauty of
Speaker 3: what's out there. But other times it's because I want
Speaker 3: to see what like God's up to, you know, like
Speaker 3: what kind of hell hath he rot? And I saw
Speaker 3: on Twitter? The concept of like you know, it's been
Speaker 3: around for many years, the concept of the like the
Speaker 3: rising grind bros, kind of like like nft Zelots who
Speaker 3: discussed how to reach success and that really fascinated me,
Speaker 3: which leads me to a recent search I did maybe
Speaker 3: a week ago, which was an entrepreneur TikTok compilation.
Speaker 1: No God.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want to see as many as possible,
Speaker 3: and frankly, like I love it. These are people like
Speaker 3: you tell you like how to make like twelve thousand
Speaker 3: dollars in a month making like an Amazon reseller business,
Speaker 3: or like investing in seeds or some nonsense, and there's
Speaker 3: a strange kind of eerie magnetism to them. They kind
Speaker 3: of have this dreadful seriousness and like they act way
Speaker 3: too famili you're with you, and they play like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, like the soundtrack to the Secret Life of
Speaker 3: Walter Midi over it. It's like frankly haunting. And they
Speaker 3: all have like the same eyes, like they see past
Speaker 3: you and it's all arithmetic to them, Like these robots
Speaker 3: have one tone, and it's like I'm the wisest person
Speaker 3: to walk on the earth. And I love it, like
Speaker 3: the delusion, the solipsistic kind of performance of it all.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's probably loads of wisdom than anyone puppeting,
Speaker 3: you know, just like goodwill or soundbye, wisdom can stumble upon.
Speaker 3: But like frankly, you know, it's all it's all rigged anyway,
Speaker 3: and it's like you're not really doing anything. And I
Speaker 3: just love to see as many of those people as possible.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of like how I spend my time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's because.
Speaker 2: About how to get how to get that lambeau. Hey,
Speaker 2: when I look at you, I don't see it in
Speaker 2: your eyes, you know, like I don't. I can tell
Speaker 2: that you go to sleep probably like maybe seven hours
Speaker 2: a night, which is basically like loser shit, you know.
Speaker 1: What I know.
Speaker 2: Like I'm up at two thirty, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the like every stock market on earth,
Speaker 2: and the look that you see in my eye is
Speaker 2: actually the lambeau that's about to manifest.
Speaker 1: That's what you're.
Speaker 3: Seeing, shark shaped lambeau.
Speaker 1: I love. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They all just want to sell their companies too. It's
Speaker 2: like and then this is how you get the valuation.
Speaker 2: Then you sell your.
Speaker 1: Company like okay, sure, like if that's what you think.
Speaker 1: But like it's that guy. It's like that guy the
Speaker 1: five hour work week. This was like the I remember
Speaker 1: like the first example of this, whereas like guy who's
Speaker 1: like I'm all about this like lifestyle and like you know,
Speaker 1: how great my life yeah, Tim Ferris, and like how
Speaker 1: great my life is, and like you two can have this.
Speaker 1: But then like the thing he was like doing was
Speaker 1: just like selling bullshit to people and like making other
Speaker 1: people do the work for him. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: like there there was just nothing there. There's he like
Speaker 1: I think no good being produced other than his five
Speaker 1: hour I feel like he may have actually been the
Speaker 1: originator of like how to get to Lambeau culture, because
Speaker 1: I believe in the four Hour, five Hour Workweek book
Speaker 1: he talks about this is how I can have a Lamborghini.
Speaker 1: He's like, these are the payments, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: making every month plus this that's Lambeau money boom. Like
Speaker 1: problem solved, Lambo Boom onto the next Lambeau sell Janke
Speaker 1: Supplements online. Yeah, that was it. Supplements.
Speaker 2: That was like his early early business, and then it
Speaker 2: went into like the four Hour Body and then it
Speaker 2: started getting a little wacky when he's like, these kettlebells
Speaker 2: can put a butt on an Asian chick. Was like
Speaker 2: one of the things one of the parts like was
Speaker 2: how it was written.
Speaker 1: About like this.
Speaker 2: I believe it like a woman struggling to have a
Speaker 2: butt and he's like, yeah, but these kettlebell swings gave
Speaker 2: her that pop. So everything, I'm like, I can sew
Speaker 2: you fucking anything. You want a butt, you want a Lambeau,
Speaker 2: you want biceps, bro, It's all here.
Speaker 1: What did these guys used to be? Like? Were they
Speaker 1: in the eighties, were they just all like working on
Speaker 1: Wall Street? Or were they just like local salesmen. They
Speaker 1: just did sales I think spiraled out. Yeah right right,
Speaker 1: but like what because they've replaced some job with just
Speaker 1: bull like nothing, right, what do they like? It seems
Speaker 1: like they're all in some version of a like multi
Speaker 1: level marketing scheme.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I mean, so what go back to
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four and whatever was going on there? You know,
Speaker 3: computers are in the next thing.
Speaker 1: You know what they're like.
Speaker 2: I think these like fucking gurus, like you know, that's
Speaker 2: the other like genre of like what this kind.
Speaker 1: Of person is.
Speaker 2: They call themselves gurus, and like they just charge you
Speaker 2: a ton of money for advice that fucking goes nowhere.
Speaker 2: They're basically I feel like the kids of people who
Speaker 2: were like whose parents are listening to like Personal Power
Speaker 2: in the eighties right right right, you know and like
Speaker 2: early uh what's his face, gigantic guy talk Tony Robbins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, books, Yeah, like the bag you're around that
Speaker 1: as a kid, eighteen tapes and a big like plastic container.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like those Disney like the old Disney vhs because
Speaker 2: like that were like sort of semi padded plastic cases.
Speaker 1: I only know this because I remember my dad bought
Speaker 1: one of them. I was like, what is this ship?
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, maybe this will say Steven
Speaker 1: Kobe like the seven Habits of highly effective people. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like they were all driving around in their
Speaker 1: trans ams listening to that shit. Maybe yeah reading Leah Coca. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, now that they're able to influence each other
Speaker 1: and we're just getting better and better as a society,
Speaker 1: I think is the is the upshot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they've they've stumbled upon a really yeah, really
Speaker 2: intoxicating offer, which is sort of like you don't have
Speaker 2: like toil in your own way to have like everything
Speaker 2: you want, Like don't do it out because everyone's like
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to a job or do
Speaker 2: this or That's like, yeah, do it for yourself, bro,
Speaker 2: and get all the things I actually don't have, but
Speaker 2: I'm renting for the purpose of this TikTok video exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: They all have like one piece of good advice, which
Speaker 1: is like get up and make your bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it always it's always starting there, and people try
Speaker 3: that and.
Speaker 1: They're like, ah, I actually do feel like a little
Speaker 1: bit better when like I just kind of you know,
Speaker 1: get up and take a shower and yeah, engagement.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should give to this guy's Patreon.
Speaker 1: This guy seems like he might be like on the
Speaker 1: next level. That was that one was for free. He said,
Speaker 1: for sixty bucks a week, I'll become a millionaire. I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what he'd tell me. Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: use this affiliate link to do your Amazon shopping. Like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Okay, this is not This is not a hot take,
Speaker 3: not a nuclear take, really, but I do have like
Speaker 3: an extra grind recently because I watched that movie Air,
Speaker 3: the Michael Jordan movie Huh, and I noticed that this
Speaker 3: keeps coming up, like Tetris, Black Bear, Flame and Hot
Speaker 3: the Doritos, like Flame and Hot story movies that are
Speaker 3: people you're.
Speaker 1: Going to talk about.
Speaker 3: It might put the prop How dare I put some
Speaker 3: stink on this corporate nostalgia? Yeah, and just like grandizing
Speaker 3: this like the origin story of products. And there's like
Speaker 3: this bit and Air where Mike the where they like
Speaker 3: point out that their competitor, Adidast was founded by Nazi, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think that fun fact. Not against getting that
Speaker 3: info out there in general, but it's like it's not.
Speaker 3: That's just a good example something can be very harmful
Speaker 3: and weird to me, like basically through movies and populating
Speaker 3: the zeitgeist with their own kind of corporate agenda. It's
Speaker 3: not like a movie war of attrition against each other,
Speaker 3: right like they I know they do it with memes,
Speaker 3: but they get like laughed at, you know, online when
Speaker 3: they try you know, like hello fellow kids and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. I know ads exist, but we all kind
Speaker 3: of see we all like watch ads with this kind
Speaker 3: of sardonic like like bank face that we have where
Speaker 3: it's just like yeah, it's just like yeah, allow it
Speaker 3: to happen. But it feels wrong in movies because they
Speaker 3: have the power to like like move people and when
Speaker 3: you stamp like a based on a true story on it,
Speaker 3: like I could see this being a horrible trend.
Speaker 1: Did you watch Air?
Speaker 3: I did watch Air?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was expecting to be like swept away.
Speaker 1: I'd heard a lot of smart people be like swept
Speaker 1: away by it and be like yeah, you go in
Speaker 1: thinking why am I watching like a hero's journey about Nike?
Speaker 1: But then it like it sweeps you away and I
Speaker 1: just like couldn't get past it. Man, I couldn't get
Speaker 1: past it the whole like this was locking crazy.
Speaker 3: This is crazy, and like when they like try to
Speaker 3: avoid doing it for so long but they have to.
Speaker 3: So there's only like two or three scenes, but they
Speaker 3: go whole hog. They just go like this is the
Speaker 3: stuff dreams are made of.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, oh my god, get off your horse. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think it's a really damaging thing. Just the
Speaker 3: idea of weaponizing like something that is a story is
Speaker 3: different than I think an ad or a meme, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's something that can actually like trigger like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to war for these people. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go war for this idea.
Speaker 1: So, like I do think there's probably I haven't seen BlackBerry.
Speaker 1: I've heard good things about BlackBerry, and I think, like
Speaker 1: with the Social network, for instance, like there there's probably
Speaker 1: a distinction to be made between like authorized like stories
Speaker 1: that like have the full cooperation with the people who
Speaker 1: made the thing, and like things that are just based
Speaker 1: on you know. I guess like that that's the distinction.
Speaker 1: I've heard people make the argument that like, well, well,
Speaker 1: you know Shakespeare wrote about because those were the most
Speaker 1: important people in Shakespeare's time, and like in our time,
Speaker 1: corporations unfortunately are like the thing that is is making
Speaker 1: all the decisions in our in people's day to day lives,
Speaker 1: whether they realize it or not. So might as well
Speaker 1: tell stories about that. But if if you're telling like
Speaker 1: a true warts and all story about like big shit,
Speaker 1: like the way Succession is telling the story about like
Speaker 1: about the Murdocks, and like what happens behind the scenes
Speaker 1: at a Fox News type thing, like that's I think
Speaker 1: there's a value there as opposed to, you know, something
Speaker 1: that is propaganda. Yeah, that is using the like core
Speaker 1: corporate principles of Nike as like interstitials like throughout the
Speaker 1: movie like.
Speaker 3: That if you are correct, like Shakespeare was dunking on
Speaker 3: fools you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Shakespeare was dunking on fools.
Speaker 3: Man, and that is bringing it bringing the heat.
Speaker 2: Sadly, from what I've read, the Hot Cheetos movie doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's kind of continuing that because there's like a whole
Speaker 2: scene or they're talking about the how the creative of
Speaker 2: Pringles was like a card carrying KKK guy or something, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be, though I don't know, And then
Speaker 1: you're bro he wasn't journal with the you know what
Speaker 1: the original pringles can guy look like? The mustache was
Speaker 1: about this wide. It was a toothbrush. It was It
Speaker 1: wasn't a chaplain family put it that way. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3: Not a fan of the cinema.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it was by Lenny reef Install, you see
Speaker 1: what you see where I'm geting at. Yeah. I actually
Speaker 1: saw a Shakespeare play once, like not one of the
Speaker 1: ones that's widely taught, but it was one of the
Speaker 1: ones that was written. I think it was about like
Speaker 1: the the birth of Queen Elizabeth, like happens during the
Speaker 1: of the play, and it does like kind of go
Speaker 1: soft and weird like in the third act as it
Speaker 1: like starts getting it like it it feels like a
Speaker 1: play where you can like see this tension at work
Speaker 1: in in his work, like The Closer, Like when he's
Speaker 1: writing about like long deade, you know kings, he can
Speaker 1: tell the truth or like portray them as like interesting characters,
Speaker 1: but like when it's the actual king who's still alive,
Speaker 1: he's like and long live the Queen. Like there's a
Speaker 1: part at the end of the play where everyone's just
Speaker 1: like and but she is pretty dope and we're all
Speaker 1: good here, right.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of the Queen's thugs, like showing
Speaker 3: up on the Shakespeare store and like we heard you
Speaker 3: write and something about the queen. How about you make
Speaker 3: it a little bit more flattering. You know, we've messed
Speaker 3: you making it nice? Yeah, we reveal your identity notes?
Speaker 3: Is this even? I am Pameter? Are you even writing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The way we know you? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What is something that you think is underrated? Heb Okay,
Speaker 3: So I've been having this sphace the short answers. Rain hats.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if that's what you call them.
Speaker 3: What do you call like hats that like for rainy days,
Speaker 3: like rubber hats, like fishing hats?
Speaker 1: Is it functional? Right?
Speaker 3: I've been buying. I live in La so I don't
Speaker 3: need rain hats, but we did have a lot of
Speaker 3: rain recently and I wanted a hat. So I bought
Speaker 3: a hat. And I was in a store and I
Speaker 3: was looking at all these beautiful rain hats and they appear,
Speaker 3: and I thought about it, and they appear every now
Speaker 3: and then in like high fashion, like the you know,
Speaker 3: especially with like the rubber variety, like you got bright
Speaker 3: colors and like you had like mod art in like
Speaker 3: the sixties, and they've like looked the same since then,
Speaker 3: and like they reappeared in the eighties when like that
Speaker 3: whole pop art thing was happening York War one in
Speaker 3: that one video I'm thinking of, Yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I love it when function and style or function like
Speaker 3: is style.
Speaker 1: And oh, okay, Myles and Frankly Myles just put on
Speaker 1: his rain hat. They did the same thing. I did
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm like, oh, rain for two days.
Speaker 1: I need a rain hat. I need a rain hat.
Speaker 3: And Frankly, I'm tired of this baseball hat pagemony. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean, fantastic hat, top to your hat, but let
Speaker 3: rain hat have it stay in the sun. Yes, what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Three sixty coverage. Yeah. And also I'm I'm trying to
Speaker 1: fuck with the neck saver flap two. Oh you know
Speaker 1: what I mean back of it, like oh that son,
Speaker 1: are you're really out there? I'm like, you got to.
Speaker 2: Learn from the people who whose business it is to
Speaker 2: be in the sun all day like that ship.
Speaker 1: Your neck is like beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you can't let that expose I always forget
Speaker 2: to get the back of my neck with any kind
Speaker 2: of protection, and that's usually like the first spot I end.
Speaker 1: Up being burned. So yeah, and by people whose job
Speaker 1: it is to be in the sun all day. You
Speaker 1: mean Australians. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: see it the like long neck flap is like that
Speaker 1: that hat. I'm always like, what are we in Australia? Hey,
Speaker 1: hey jackass? What are we down under? What are we
Speaker 1: down under? Yeah? A nice bucket hat something that I
Speaker 1: could never pull off, but I think but when it's raining,
Speaker 1: you can. It's functional. No one's ever going to be like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing, asshole? Is the raining? You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: Everyone's on team rain hat on a rainy day?
Speaker 1: Yeah, team rain hat. Nice rain hat. Hey. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta start a revolution in this country, you know,
Speaker 1: I know we have other pressing issues, but like rain hats,
Speaker 1: why are they called rain hat? Like rain rain hat
Speaker 1: should be a phrase that doesn't sound so weird in
Speaker 1: my mouth, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right about that. It's also the term that
Speaker 3: I'm made up question mark. Yeah, Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's just there's rain boots, yeah exactly, but uh yeah,
Speaker 3: it does sound weird. You're not wrong about that rain gloves.
Speaker 1: I guess we don't have those my rain socks. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk some news. We'll be right back. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and we did just continue the rain hats conversation. Miles.
Speaker 1: You're claiming so first of all, you told me GORP core,
Speaker 1: which is not the world according.
Speaker 2: To No, no, no no, it's like like trails. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know GORP for all the people. You know, your
Speaker 2: crunchy hiker style. But basically how that you know, the
Speaker 2: like sort of more utilitarian functional fabrics and garments are
Speaker 2: starting to make their way into like high fashion. Like
Speaker 2: that's why you see people wearing more again, like cargo pants,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And you're buying more. You're so you are wearing cargo
Speaker 1: pants these dolls?
Speaker 2: I mean yes, usually I have a pair right now
Speaker 2: I have to take back because they don't fit.
Speaker 1: Here's a pair I got.
Speaker 2: Okay, they're white because I wanted to feel like I'm
Speaker 2: in Miami, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, formal, fancy white cargo pants. But they're just you
Speaker 1: never know, you never know.
Speaker 3: Those are fresh, those are fresh.
Speaker 1: And I wear a little crop top and let my
Speaker 1: underwear band show out the top.
Speaker 2: It's ninety eight baby, where my Tommy figures, let's get
Speaker 2: that Backstreet boys running?
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking like a Leah you know. Yeah, I tried to.
Speaker 1: I tried on a pair of cargo pants that I
Speaker 1: thought looked cool, took a picture, said it to my wife,
Speaker 1: was like, are cargo pants like coming back? She was like,
Speaker 1: just a one word, no, period, that's the wrong question.
Speaker 3: You're at you think it wrong, it's back if it's
Speaker 3: if you if you're doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was our cargo pants coming back into our
Speaker 1: life as a couple.
Speaker 2: And She's like, I spent many years trying to get
Speaker 2: you to stop wearing them, but.
Speaker 1: You can fit three natty lights in each part, all right.
Speaker 1: Jordan Neely was murdered. So that's the first line everybody
Speaker 1: that yes, he was an unhoused man who was bothering
Speaker 1: people in the subway and a former marine came up
Speaker 1: and choked him to death, and so that that marine
Speaker 1: is was was finally arrested after a long period of
Speaker 1: the police not doing anything and giving him the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt and a lot of people behind the
Speaker 1: scenes being like they're treating him like he's a cop,
Speaker 1: like he's also a copy. They finally arrested him, and
Speaker 1: that has turned this guy into like the new Kyle Rittenhouse.
Speaker 2: It seems sadly because of Jordan Neely's race and you
Speaker 2: know where he was in our social class system, he
Speaker 2: was expendable and basically his entire life was reduced to
Speaker 2: the description now that we see a lot of like
Speaker 2: hostile homeless man or aggressive unhit whatever they're trying to
Speaker 2: do to make him seem other than who he was.
Speaker 2: They're not saying he's a quote human being that has
Speaker 2: been failed by this country like millions of others. He's
Speaker 2: not a quote charismatic performer who brought smiles to people's faces. No,
Speaker 2: his existence basically served as a reminder to those more
Speaker 2: fortunate around him that the world they lived in was
Speaker 2: hostile and violent and they really wanted nothing to do
Speaker 2: with that uncomfortable truth, and that discomfort around knowing that
Speaker 2: we are failing and we can do so much better
Speaker 2: was justification for his death. And nothing changes in this
Speaker 2: country really, just the way we talk about the problems
Speaker 2: change at best, and the discourse isn't about how we've
Speaker 2: failed to address inequality or how you know the all
Speaker 2: this like social safety nets are in like social programs
Speaker 2: in New York and housing programs have been just obliterated
Speaker 2: by the mayor. No, it's about the murder service as
Speaker 2: a marine or Neely's rap sheet and how like are
Speaker 2: just completely slandering him and making things up, like about
Speaker 2: like kidnapping someone, which there's no evidence to support these claims,
Speaker 2: but they're they're flaring up all on the right side
Speaker 2: of things, the standard bullshit.
Speaker 1: Any time any black man has murdered, the media, especially
Speaker 1: on the right, goes into overdrive too. Yeah, or or
Speaker 1: even find the pictures that show him the version that
Speaker 1: they want that their their viewers want to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or in the center left, I mean's just the
Speaker 2: status quo. Like yeah, I mean he was you know,
Speaker 2: he was homeless and he was weird, so right, you
Speaker 2: know what, Like that's kind of like it's like shrugging
Speaker 2: the equivalent of shrugging. But yeah, like you said, he's
Speaker 2: now been charged with secondary manslaughter and he's a fucking here.
Speaker 1: His lawyers set up a fucking crowdfunding campaign. They've already
Speaker 1: raised two million dollars for this fucking guy, and donations
Speaker 1: are coming in from people like kid Rock, like Timpoole
Speaker 1: and gop President so hopeful vivid Ramaswami like they're given
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars. They're calling this man a hero,
Speaker 1: and some people are calling him the Subway Good Samaritan
Speaker 1: because he I'm sorry, I don't I don't need to
Speaker 1: get biblic all up in here. But did these fucking
Speaker 1: troglodytes even know what the fucking parable is about? Because
Speaker 1: let me just I'll run it down because I was
Speaker 1: inundated with this kind of shit when I went to school,
Speaker 1: even though I'm not a religious person. A Jewish man
Speaker 1: gets beat up and robbed and left for dead on
Speaker 1: the side of the road. His own people walk by
Speaker 1: him and could give a fuck about his condition because
Speaker 1: they are like grossed out. He looks like dirty and
Speaker 1: hurt and they're like, oh, I don't want to think
Speaker 1: about that. Like that's the thing. Like stories like this
Speaker 1: get like broken down, the like three beat cartoons where
Speaker 1: you're just like and then the evil people walked by
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, this is the sort of shit
Speaker 1: that you do every day, that we do every day day.
Speaker 1: In this country, and like you would ignore it because
Speaker 1: it reveals something uncomfortable about your world, and like the
Speaker 1: shit that we swallow on a daily basis just to
Speaker 1: get from one minute to the next. Right, and then
Speaker 1: the Samaritan who comes by, Just for context, the Jews
Speaker 1: and Samaritans had fucking beef during this period, okay.
Speaker 2: And Samaritans are the more oppressed group actually, So this
Speaker 2: Samaritan stopped by and helps someone that was not only
Speaker 2: in like a higher class so to speak, but also
Speaker 2: his enemy culturally, right, and help them. So the only
Speaker 2: way Neely's killer is a good Samaritan Samaritan is if
Speaker 2: the parable was about the Samaritan killing this dude on
Speaker 2: the side of the road because he was getting weirded
Speaker 2: out by how fucked up and desperate he was, and
Speaker 2: he killed him so other people wouldn't have to deal
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not what it's about. I have to
Speaker 1: deal with the discomfort of him asking them for help, right,
Speaker 1: because that's his crime. Right. He was saying, I need
Speaker 1: I need food, I need shelters. I have no options.
Speaker 1: I don't care if I die. I don't care if
Speaker 1: I go to jail for life, arm to die that
Speaker 1: was like one of the things he said, and he
Speaker 1: and the violence that he committed was what taking his
Speaker 1: jacket off.
Speaker 2: And throwing it on the ground. Yeah, and so who
Speaker 2: who is this? Who is who are we helping here?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like because if it were true to the like idea
Speaker 2: or the spirit of this parable, maybe this person would
Speaker 2: have saw Jordan and Neelay said Hey, it sounds like
Speaker 2: you need some help. Can I help you? Like, do
Speaker 2: you need some food? Can I is there a way
Speaker 2: for me to do that? That's that would actually be
Speaker 2: more you know, in line with the Bible. But again,
Speaker 2: the right has done a fantastic job of like sanctifying
Speaker 2: white supremacy and the status quo, like using bullshit terms
Speaker 2: and like evoking the Bible like this.
Speaker 1: So and sadly, in this weird retelling of it, I
Speaker 1: guess the person that needed help was just the status quo.
Speaker 1: You know, Neely wasn't armed, Like yeah, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know who the so the victim was the ground,
Speaker 1: I don't know who he's who is committing violence against?
Speaker 1: But again, jacket and they don't like when you commit
Speaker 1: property crimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I guess in this case, the
Speaker 2: status quo is to just ignore or treat the needy,
Speaker 2: or treating the needy with suspicion.
Speaker 1: And so he did just that and now he's a hero.
Speaker 1: And just for just to kind of juxtapose these two things,
Speaker 1: there is a crowdfunding there's a GoFundMe fundraising campaign for
Speaker 1: Jordan Neely's family. It has less than one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars. And the other guy, the one for
Speaker 1: the bucking guy who murdered him, has two million dollars.
Speaker 2: Two million, yeah, two million, And I mean it just
Speaker 2: shows you like where again, like when these campaigns kick off,
Speaker 2: like where the empathy is going clearly because again for
Speaker 2: the right, this is like the new Kyle Rittenhouse, because
Speaker 2: we're with Kyle Rittenhouse gave everybody the sort of ability
Speaker 2: to be like, well, they shouldn't be protesting out there,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, against like you know, against the police,
Speaker 2: violence or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's what you get. Now it's sort of like, well
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be homeless in public, yeah, and freaking people
Speaker 1: out because that's where you could end up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like empathy for rage is a real blight.
Speaker 3: The concept of like they're they're feeling empathetic towards a person,
Speaker 3: this hero, because it's a placeholder for everything that the
Speaker 3: right wants to point out. This is what you're angry about.
Speaker 3: This is what do you have these you know, preconditions
Speaker 3: or thoughts that are, like you think this about the universe?
Speaker 3: Isn't that doesn't that make you angry that this person
Speaker 3: or this person gets this or this or this or
Speaker 3: acts this way and can get away with it or whatever.
Speaker 3: And they like use that as a way to rage
Speaker 3: bait everyone into feeling empathy. It's like, what what a hack?
Speaker 3: Like what a I can't believe that humans fall for
Speaker 3: this shit and it really sours you on any hope
Speaker 3: that empathy will like take over. But ultimately it's just
Speaker 3: this narrative building that like they're just playing, they're just
Speaker 3: playing the numbers and just trying to get what they
Speaker 3: want because they know there's an audience for it. You
Speaker 3: can tell that that's true just because like these people
Speaker 3: are called hero before you know, or they're they're called
Speaker 3: a victim, or they're called you know, like a monster
Speaker 3: before they're any number of these people you know what,
Speaker 3: on either side, they're called these things because before there's
Speaker 3: even a check on who this person was. Why, because
Speaker 3: if it's a narrative for you know, the right to
Speaker 3: say this is what happened, this is this is a
Speaker 3: way and to get get my people to get angry.
Speaker 3: And that's just I don't know, I just don't know
Speaker 3: how that's any way too. There's a lot of pain here.
Speaker 3: There's just too much pain.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it just sort of furthers how quickly
Speaker 1: things can escalate to violence right where it's just like
Speaker 1: the shorthand for this is like you know in Kyle
Speaker 1: Rittenhouse case, like yeah, I don't know, you want to
Speaker 1: you want to step up and speak out against something
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get hurt? Yeah, Like it just is
Speaker 1: like that's how those people think.
Speaker 2: Well that what did you expect being out there against
Speaker 2: They're gonna shoot you in the eye and that's why
Speaker 2: are you out there? Or in this case, well, you
Speaker 2: know what happens, you're acting weird in public because you
Speaker 2: have no other recourse except to disintegrate in public because
Speaker 2: you have no place to give no help.
Speaker 1: Oh that yeah, that's what happens. Yeah, I mean, as
Speaker 1: we have to like swallow more and more like just
Speaker 1: gruesome trade offs as part of our reality, like of
Speaker 1: the consequences of the current paradigm of like you know,
Speaker 1: late stage capitalism become like more and more obvious. Like
Speaker 1: people like I think the empathy for impotent rage, Like
Speaker 1: everybody is feeling impotent rage. It's just whether they know
Speaker 1: what they should be angry at and about. And so
Speaker 1: it makes sense to me that the target of the
Speaker 1: rage for a lot of people is going to be
Speaker 1: people who, either by existing or by protesting by saying things,
Speaker 1: call out the things that you are having to ignore
Speaker 1: and like just filter away through dissonance and transference and
Speaker 1: like other like just mental calorie burning, like ignorance. That
Speaker 1: like the people who are reminders of that process that's
Speaker 1: happening in almost everyone in the Western world, those people
Speaker 1: will be targets because yeah, that everyone's feeling like a
Speaker 1: simmering impotent rage, and there's you know, rather than realizing
Speaker 1: and like doing something that could harm their day to
Speaker 1: day lives, they would rather just kind of be part
Speaker 1: of the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Please just get rid of any reminder of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about racism, So don't fucking
Speaker 2: teach my kids about it. Because I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear it about it about it anymore. And the same
Speaker 2: thing with people who are so uncomfortable by the unhoused,
Speaker 2: and it's happened so much in LA especially the way
Speaker 2: people talk is so fucking disturbing of just like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know why they have to be here, yes,
Speaker 2: like why do they have to be there?
Speaker 1: What? I don't even know? What? What?
Speaker 2: Give me some context? What do you think is happening
Speaker 2: with this person that they like that again, that their
Speaker 2: mere existence is so uncomfortable for you that the solution
Speaker 2: is I don't please just round them up, sweep them away.
Speaker 2: I cannot be reminded of this. And it's just really Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's disheartening because yeah, some people, when that four comes
Speaker 2: in the road, they know, you know what, I can
Speaker 2: only imagine what it takes to end up like that.
Speaker 2: A few few things go wrong in your life, and
Speaker 2: very quickly you could end up on the streets.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Like, if that's real to you, then you might have
Speaker 2: more empathy because you can understand how someone like that exists.
Speaker 1: But if you are completely removed for that or don't
Speaker 1: want to even you know, it's because it's probably frightening
Speaker 1: to someone to be like, holy shit, I could find
Speaker 1: a few wrong things, a few things go wrong in
Speaker 1: my life, and I could end up on the street.
Speaker 3: That's fucking terrifying.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about that. Get this motherfucker
Speaker 2: who's the reminder of that grim reality out of my face?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because people don't see people as people, but rather
Speaker 3: as landscapes, part of the setting a prop. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like the second you start doing that and you're
Speaker 3: saying like, oh, I only feel the effects of you
Speaker 3: as a person. I don't actually see you as a person.
Speaker 3: It's so easy to go down like a I assume
Speaker 3: it's so easy to go down this like rabbit hole
Speaker 3: of you know, I don't. I don't believe that anyone
Speaker 3: other than me and the people who look like me
Speaker 3: are justifiable in any of our actions. These people need
Speaker 3: to be gone or whatever. I just don't see how
Speaker 3: that logic computes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's take a quick break and we're gonna
Speaker 1: come back and talk about a product that's gonna help
Speaker 1: us put the blinders on literally, folks. It's coming from Apple,
Speaker 1: and it's got that will It will block unhoused people
Speaker 1: from your actual view as you're walking through the city.
Speaker 1: That could be the killer app they're looking for. Well
Speaker 1: be and we're back. And so Apple's expected to release
Speaker 1: some goggles that are called Reality pro oh it toror
Speaker 1: give me that fucking feeding tube of black mirror actually happening.
Speaker 3: Right, humans centipede me up.
Speaker 1: So these are goggles that are going to everyone's raving
Speaker 1: about how they far exceed everyone else's VR device and
Speaker 1: they have an augmented reality feature. That is the thing
Speaker 1: that kind of caught my attention because some people are
Speaker 1: speculating that they will actually like this product will eventually
Speaker 1: replace our iPhones because it just puts all of the
Speaker 1: information that you typically use your iPhone for, puts it
Speaker 1: right in front of your eyes basically like gives you
Speaker 1: augmented reality terminator vision, And like how does it do
Speaker 1: that by like adding things to like glasses? No, it
Speaker 1: actually like the goggles are opaque like VR headset, but
Speaker 1: they have cameras. So oh it's like, have you ever
Speaker 1: been in like a car with one of those rear
Speaker 1: view mirror cameras? Like the rear mirror is replaced by
Speaker 1: like a little the rear view mirrors. It's like a screen.
Speaker 1: You mean the rear view mirror is I've seen that,
Speaker 1: but i'ven't actually driven one, but you know it's talking
Speaker 1: about Yeah, yeah, like that's it feels like it's that.
Speaker 1: But for all reality, you just have into a screen.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I want them also to like cover your
Speaker 3: ears and then have speakers in them, you know, yeah
Speaker 3: gloves gloves that like are haptic feedback. So let's just
Speaker 3: like eliminate all the senses and replace it with like
Speaker 3: a surrogate.
Speaker 1: Right, and I'm all about yeah, and then like put
Speaker 1: the different So like people are saying, like the problem
Speaker 1: with this being revolutionary is like one, it costs three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which is well above the price point of
Speaker 1: everything else. But I guess that hasn't focked Apple in
Speaker 1: the past. I love a consumer purchase that makes you
Speaker 1: the easiest target for robbery. I know, I will take
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That is like always that
Speaker 1: three K heads I'm like a three K headset watch.
Speaker 1: I'll sneak up behind you and just.
Speaker 3: That you don't even need to sneak why punch him
Speaker 3: in the stomach and.
Speaker 2: Or there's a delay even if you're coming from the
Speaker 2: front the delay by half a second.
Speaker 1: Ship. But it's so like the thing with VR. The
Speaker 1: people are like it just they haven't created their killer
Speaker 1: app yet, Like there's just it's just for gamers. It's
Speaker 1: like a fun thing to play video games with. But
Speaker 1: like in terms of wider adoption, it just hasn't like
Speaker 1: broken through, right, And I don't expect Apple to be
Speaker 1: the place that like figures that out right. But the
Speaker 1: augmented reality, like like one of one of the images
Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail article about this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: showing how walking directions could be displayed on a screen
Speaker 1: in front of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh like Google maps kind of like yeah, in
Speaker 3: a few in a few meters, you're going to turn
Speaker 3: it right here at this hour, right kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And with like facial recognition technology, Like I could see
Speaker 1: a world where like now you have the database of
Speaker 1: everyone you've ever met, and like can have context for
Speaker 1: that displayed on a heads up display in front of you.
Speaker 1: Like I think there is something like the future is
Speaker 1: going to involve somebody somehow inventing new senses for people
Speaker 1: that like we can add to our existing senses and
Speaker 1: like new inputs for like all all the amazing like
Speaker 1: capabilities you can have via technology, But I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe this is it. You definitely look stupid
Speaker 1: wearing them and look like the biggest target on the
Speaker 1: planet for robbery or whatever. Like you're just walking around
Speaker 1: with a blank thing on your head, like right, with
Speaker 1: no peripheral vision, right although like that, like maybe it
Speaker 1: gives you eyes and back your head, like maybe it
Speaker 1: gives you extra good peripheral vision, like what yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean to your point, like it's not offering anything anyone
Speaker 1: fucking needs right now. Oh, if you have an Apple Watch,
Speaker 1: it'll that shit'll start. But if you need to like
Speaker 1: walk somewhere, like hey, turn right here, right here, right here,
Speaker 1: right here, right here, right right here, right here, I
Speaker 1: don't need to like see like the a dotted line
Speaker 1: to like where I'm going down the street to be
Speaker 1: able to make sense of that, like I have the
Speaker 1: ability to do that, or I don't need to know
Speaker 1: what time it is the upper right hand corner of
Speaker 1: my vision. But I think the.
Speaker 2: Only way I think this, like to your point, where
Speaker 2: it has all this interesting data that maybe is useful
Speaker 2: to someone in the future, where it can like you know,
Speaker 2: aggregate all this stuff together in your field of vision,
Speaker 2: Like that's probably more useful when it's something like a
Speaker 2: contact lens you put in over your eye than full
Speaker 2: on like put this mask on where I'm like sort
Speaker 2: of like losing all sense of direction or maybe not,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's why you have the headset because it gives me
Speaker 1: With the iPhone, with iPad or iPod, it was like
Speaker 1: very obvious, like what like the thing they were creating
Speaker 1: was just a much better version of something that was
Speaker 1: like having all the Internet in your pocket was an
Speaker 1: amazing innovation, Like we didn't have to think up why
Speaker 1: that would be amazing for them, whereas this is like
Speaker 1: it just feels like you're heavy to do too much
Speaker 1: work for them to like come up with. Like I
Speaker 1: don't think of Apple as the place that's going to
Speaker 1: maybe like after you know, decades of development, then like
Speaker 1: things will start to become evident where where this will
Speaker 1: be useful.
Speaker 3: But my favorite thing about augmented reality is that, especially
Speaker 3: if it's in the hands of corporations like you know, Apple,
Speaker 3: it's so easy to like there's they're doing so much
Speaker 3: work on like you know, facial recognition and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: That's like a lot harder to kind of program, but
Speaker 3: it's so easy to just like see, oh there's an
Speaker 3: empty space of wall there. You know what that wall needs?
Speaker 3: Just ad for Apple products, babe. Yeah, just the world
Speaker 3: of ads is what we're going to be stepping into, right,
Speaker 3: because that's like they're gonna because it's a corporate thinking, right,
Speaker 3: how are they going to make their money back? If
Speaker 3: they're selling it at two thousand and three thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: they got to make their money back somehow, And that's
Speaker 3: going to create the true dystopian nightmare.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it'll be like just overlay it on like
Speaker 2: objects too that it doesn't think you're interacting with. Like
Speaker 2: I got hit by a I feel the latest Marvel
Speaker 2: film and a poster, but driving the goggles completely obscured it.
Speaker 1: Because they just layered an AD over that moving vehicle.
Speaker 3: Help, I can't see my wife.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about taking the goggles off? No?
Speaker 3: No, they say, on exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Richard Dreyfus. Hey, I don't
Speaker 1: know you.
Speaker 3: Is this your king Jack?
Speaker 1: This is a This is a segment of the show
Speaker 1: Dreyfus talk that we have Monday. As we just check
Speaker 1: in with.
Speaker 3: What's the Fuss With Dreyfus.
Speaker 2: We covered his last talk with Bill Maher was really
Speaker 2: great in the last installment of this that really riven
Speaker 2: in conversation. But this time he's made his way over
Speaker 2: to the firing line, uh to talk about just all
Speaker 2: this dang inclusion going on Hollywood, and he's asked a
Speaker 2: question old Dicky dry Dry saying, hey, you you know,
Speaker 2: have have diversity measures gone too far? You know, like
Speaker 2: they're talking about and the host brings up like the
Speaker 2: Academy they're changing its rules for twenty twenty five awards
Speaker 2: that are you know, again meant to encourage more diversity inclusion.
Speaker 1: If you were trying to get a Best Picture filmed,
Speaker 1: then like maybe let's do more.
Speaker 2: Than like what we're doing, so having like at least
Speaker 2: one lead character in the movie from an underrepresented racial
Speaker 2: or ethnic group, or have thirty percent of the general
Speaker 2: ensemble cast be from at least two unrepresented groups, or
Speaker 2: how the film spokes be about a group, or like
Speaker 2: even with the crew, like the people that you hire,
Speaker 2: you know, like you can still have a very maybe
Speaker 2: white movie, but maybe have more women and you know,
Speaker 2: people of color, LGBTQ whatever, people working on the set,
Speaker 2: So then that's your way in. So Richard Dreyfus has
Speaker 2: a very interesting take on it, and we'll we'll just
Speaker 2: let him speak for himself. He's asked very like you know,
Speaker 2: the host you know, talks about these new efforts academies
Speaker 2: making and just Richard, what's what's your take on this?
Speaker 1: Let's hear from Richard himself.
Speaker 4: They make me vomit.
Speaker 2: Oh, let me let me just let me just actually
Speaker 2: give you the full context from underrepresented racial and ethnic groups.
Speaker 2: What do you think of these new inclusion standards for films?
Speaker 4: They make me vomito? Well, this is an art form.
Speaker 4: It's also a form of commerce and it makes money.
Speaker 4: But it's an art and no one should be telling me,
Speaker 4: as an artist that I have to give in to
Speaker 4: the latest most current idea of what morality is.
Speaker 3: Hmm Okay, see here's the thing you guys are missing.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: We solved racism in nineteen ninety eight with Krippendors.
Speaker 2: Try Yes, Goga bundo I believe was the tagline he
Speaker 2: said when he was a to have sex with Jenna Elfman.
Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, I remember the film.
Speaker 3: Well, no more introspection needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I know that film so well.
Speaker 2: It's I think because it was so fucked up, like
Speaker 2: when I was like, oh this could be a film
Speaker 2: like this is so this is so backwards and fucked up,
Speaker 2: like holy shit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, also commerce.
Speaker 2: But let's let's allow him to go on, because he
Speaker 2: he does raise some interestingnother by the way.
Speaker 1: I do. I do love just his reduction of diversity
Speaker 1: and truth and storytelling through like actually giving alternate points
Speaker 1: of view, involvement in the industry as being like he
Speaker 1: dismisses it as like the latest fed in morality, like right, right, right, real.
Speaker 1: This is where this is where he really brings it home.
Speaker 1: And I think this is where I have to agree
Speaker 1: with him, like for all the nonsense racist talk of earlier,
Speaker 1: just you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm just leave me alone. I'm a boomer actor.
Speaker 2: I think I think he really makes a really good
Speaker 2: case this.
Speaker 1: Next talking point, and by he digs even fucking deeper.
Speaker 3: Let's go deep.
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, I don't think that there's a minority
Speaker 4: or a majority in the country that has to be
Speaker 4: catered to like that. You know, Laurence Olivier was the
Speaker 4: last white actor to play.
Speaker 1: Othello in blackface, and.
Speaker 4: He did it in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Five in blackface.
Speaker 4: And he did it in blackface. Oh and he played
Speaker 4: a black man brilliantly. Am I being told that I
Speaker 4: will never have a chance to play a black man
Speaker 4: with someone else being told that if they're not Jewish
Speaker 4: they shouldn't play the Merchant of Venice? Are we crazy?
Speaker 3: Are we crazy? Entitled already?
Speaker 1: It's just like his perspective is you're telling me I
Speaker 1: can't put on black face if I want to. Oh no, no, no, art.
Speaker 1: I went to a costume party with a guy in
Speaker 1: the eighties and he went as Michael Jackson and it
Speaker 1: brought the house down, And you're telling me that that
Speaker 1: wasn't funny. He also has his glasses like all the
Speaker 1: way at the end of his nose, like it's so
Speaker 1: precariously there. It's just it's an interesting vibe.
Speaker 3: It's grandpa tone.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. He's also exactly like has there
Speaker 1: ever been an actor who like portrays just like such
Speaker 1: like he not not only does he seem uncool, but
Speaker 1: he also seems like an asshole, and like, just like
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I would spect from him, he's
Speaker 1: he's it's like, what about Bob feels like a documentary?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it's like like look at like Spielberg
Speaker 3: knew this immediately about the guy, like he cast him
Speaker 3: in like Close Encounters. It's like I need a man child,
Speaker 3: Like I need someone who would just get rid of
Speaker 3: their family because they have an idea, you know, like
Speaker 3: this is the kind of guy this kind of vibes
Speaker 3: he sense, right.
Speaker 1: But he had that song and his head so bad. So. Also,
Speaker 1: our writer Jam pointed out that on Twitter he's been corrected.
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewart actually played Othello in nineteen ninety seven in
Speaker 1: a production in a production with reverse casting, where he
Speaker 1: was the only white person in the cast and everyone
Speaker 1: else was black.
Speaker 2: Right, they could still maintain like the sort of the
Speaker 2: overall tension of Othello of someone who is probably an
Speaker 2: out group.
Speaker 1: Maybe say something interesting without without black face, without black face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but are you me? It's just like the way he says,
Speaker 1: you're like, shut up, Richard Dreyfus, You're gonna vomit. It
Speaker 1: makes me want to vomit. Okay, I do think we
Speaker 1: need to add the it makes me want to vomit
Speaker 1: to like that just feels like it was he said
Speaker 1: that to make me vomit.
Speaker 3: It really does have like shock jock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make me vomit. Okay, they make me vomit.
Speaker 2: But so uh, great defender of the status quo. And obviously,
Speaker 2: I mean, why didn't he bring up Robert Downey juniors?
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, you're have you? Richard Dreyfuss really isn't
Speaker 2: even up on all the modern blackface. You know, Jimmy
Speaker 2: Kimmel is Karl Malone. That's right, you know, some of
Speaker 2: the greatest performances we've ever seen from idiots sh rocking recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you telling me that I would not be
Speaker 1: able to play Draymond Green if I wanted to in
Speaker 1: his biopic. No, I reject that notion. I'm an artist.
Speaker 3: I can kick with the best of them.
Speaker 1: Yes, this wokeness is a problem that you're going to
Speaker 1: ignore until it swims up and bites you on the asp.
Speaker 3: Or I die or I or I.
Speaker 1: Just die and go away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stop being so fussy, fussy old dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is dread well. Yeah, he doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: he's He seems dusty, and he's seen a lot of moisture.
Speaker 2: Like when he talks like it's like when you eat
Speaker 2: a bunch of saltines, like just a dust company because
Speaker 2: your mouth can't absorb.
Speaker 3: Part mummy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing the gradual natural mummification process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he shout out to art though also watching
Speaker 2: the I was looking at like Olivier as a fellow.
Speaker 1: My god, y'all, it ain't. Oh, it's not that you
Speaker 1: don't want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like mid, like so many people have done
Speaker 3: Othello really well it's pretty mid.
Speaker 2: Oh it's mid as fuck. And then you just can't
Speaker 2: get past the black face. It's like so bad. You're like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah that's.
Speaker 1: Me general, no matter that fucked so has set me
Speaker 1: on the rack. I'm sorry, looks like a fuck. How
Speaker 1: about this right here? Oh my god, fare well content.
Speaker 1: Oh it's straight up like the walls. It's like shoe grease.
Speaker 1: It's like black face. Oh yeah, it ain't. It ain't
Speaker 1: like here's a skin tone. Right.
Speaker 2: They're like, how about we how about we take a
Speaker 2: bunch of lead pencil shavings and use that as your foundation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the ship from like al Jolson, Like
Speaker 1: it looks like that. Yeah, yeah, it's black face, darling,
Speaker 1: and I will have you no farewell troops, and the
Speaker 1: big walls that make.
Speaker 2: Yes amazing makes me vomit, Yeah, makes me vomit. The
Speaker 2: nets could go over eighty two. And I'm smiling at
Speaker 2: you like that shit's gravy because me and my nah
Speaker 2: nice fellows in Paris.
Speaker 1: Okay, I couldn't go that far. I'm sir, Lawrence. Come on, well,
Speaker 1: a such a pleasure having you on the daily's like geist,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Follow you, find out more
Speaker 1: about your movie all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you don't mind, I just want to talk about,
Speaker 3: you know, the movie a little bit. Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 3: that's like where people can find me and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 3: like he said, my name is Abe Epperson. My writing
Speaker 3: partner is Michael Swain, who I believe is on tomorrow
Speaker 3: and we're making an independent film. And it's based on
Speaker 3: the time that Michael's father came out as a gay
Speaker 3: furry while he was a teenager.
Speaker 1: And for Michael was a teenager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael, when Michael was a teenager. Semi autobiographical. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And if you don't know, the term furry describes a
Speaker 3: community of fans like artists, gamers, et cetera. Of anthropomorphized animals.
Speaker 3: Often they create what's called a persona, which is an
Speaker 3: avatar or an identity that represents their true self. And
Speaker 3: it's a community that has been like bullied by the
Speaker 3: online zeitgeist more or less portrayals and media and such,
Speaker 3: and we thought humans could be better, So we decided
Speaker 3: to write a coming of age comedy drama that deals
Speaker 3: with like family, subculture, sexuality. And if you've heard of
Speaker 3: our stuff, Cracked or small beans are way back in
Speaker 3: the day at those aren't muskets. We've been working with
Speaker 3: each other for like, you know, fifteen years at this point,
Speaker 3: and you be interested in the fact that we're producing
Speaker 3: this as a feature independently and you can help. So
Speaker 3: if you go to Seedenspark dot com, slash fund, slash
Speaker 3: Papa hythen bear hopefully that will be in the show notes.
Speaker 3: You can become a part of the movie, get stuff
Speaker 3: from the movie, watch the movie early, go to a premiere.
Speaker 3: So yeah, visit the page and help us out. We
Speaker 3: really are trying it. We're trying to make a movie,
Speaker 3: and I hope you agree that this is like a
Speaker 3: story worth telling. That's kind of it. That's my plug
Speaker 3: for Papa Bear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited for it. Everybody should go check
Speaker 1: out the page. Do you guys like link off to
Speaker 1: any of the old stuff that you directed at crack, Like,
Speaker 1: there's so much good shit.
Speaker 3: That it's tough to pick them. The like we do
Speaker 3: have kind of landing YouTube video when you go to
Speaker 3: that link where it's kind of has some clips show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Other than that, Yeah, there's so much stuff. We made
Speaker 3: like five hundred sketches and I wasn't even the only
Speaker 3: one directly correct, you know.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: It was crazy how much we put out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. Well go check it out. We'll link off
Speaker 1: to it in the footnotes. Abe, is there a work
Speaker 1: of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: A work of media?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Can be a sweet Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a video I saw it on
Speaker 3: Twitter account called note context Humans, which is just like
Speaker 3: an aggregator of random images and videos from the internet.
Speaker 3: And so it's just this like minute long video. This
Speaker 3: guy has like a mini like I guess, like a
Speaker 3: foot long wheel of fortune wheel with like a dollar
Speaker 3: amounts on it, you know, and he approaches a woman
Speaker 3: and He's like, do you want twenty dollars or do
Speaker 3: you want a chance to win a thousand dollars by
Speaker 3: spinning this wheel? She's like spin the wheel and does,
Speaker 3: and then the rest of the minute long video is
Speaker 3: just the wheel spinning, and then it spins, and it spins,
Speaker 3: and then it starts to slow down, and then it
Speaker 3: starts to speed up, and then it picks up so
Speaker 3: much momentum that you think the thing is going to break.
Speaker 5: And she's just sitting there looking at it while he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's still going. It's one of the dumbest, like most
Speaker 5: simple minded, mischievous things to do, like and it's like
Speaker 5: kind of like a parody of like those prank videos.
Speaker 3: What a waste of everyone's time. Yeah, so I don't know,
Speaker 3: I could, I could send you the link to the video,
Speaker 3: but honestly, it's just enjoyable to know that there's people
Speaker 3: out there doing nonsense like that.
Speaker 1: Complete dum nose.
Speaker 3: That's probably last time I left. It's like, really really hard.
Speaker 3: That's something that the Internet dropped at my doorstep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles, where can people find you? Is there a
Speaker 1: work media you've been enjoying? Uh? Find me on at
Speaker 1: symbol based websites at Miles of Gray Chances. I'm there,
Speaker 1: I somewhat posting every now and then.
Speaker 2: You can also find me and Jack on our basketball
Speaker 2: podcast Miles and Jack Got Mad mat Booties and what else.
Speaker 1: For twenty Day Fiance was Sophia Alexandro. We talk about
Speaker 1: reality shit, you know, just getting in there. Some tweet
Speaker 1: I don't really know. There's one tweet I liked just
Speaker 1: because it was raising an interesting point as somebody who
Speaker 1: was just in a hotel recently and they're like, and
Speaker 1: if you'd like, you know, housekeeping, it could be deferred.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: This is a tweet from at Blue Steel, DC tweeted
Speaker 2: sharing an important message from the hotel workers unions. Don't
Speaker 2: defer daily cleaning when staying in a hotel basically because
Speaker 2: it has a terrible impact on the people that actually
Speaker 2: do the jobs, because that allows them to cut back
Speaker 2: and they do this thing of like, you know, for
Speaker 2: COVID reasons, but really it could you know, has the
Speaker 2: impact of like reducing the workforce by like thirty nine
Speaker 2: percent in some instances.
Speaker 1: And when you don't, when you have like deferred housekeeping,
Speaker 1: the people who have to clean up the rooms. Typically
Speaker 1: walk into rooms that are way more fucked up if
Speaker 1: they had been like lightly taking care of like every day,
Speaker 1: but they still have the same amount of time to
Speaker 1: turn over a room, which makes their jobs much harder.
Speaker 1: So just something to note as we, you know, we
Speaker 1: enter this new era of like things that are changing
Speaker 1: since the pandemic began. But yeah, don't doway with those
Speaker 1: differen things, please, yeh yeah, all right, tweet I've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: So Noah Garfunkel responded, so Bryan Stelter reported from CNN
Speaker 1: after the Trump thing, quote from I guess it's the
Speaker 1: new head of CNN. You do not have to like
Speaker 1: the former president's answers, but you can't say that we
Speaker 1: didn't get them. Caitlin pressed him again and again and
Speaker 1: made news, made a lot of news, and that is
Speaker 1: our job. And no Garfunkle quoted that and said, doctor,
Speaker 1: I made a lot of cancer. That is my job.
Speaker 1: And then PJ Adans continued his string of great tweets
Speaker 1: about Walgreens and CVS said at Walgreens, I'm getting major
Speaker 1: CVS vibes from this place. You can find me on
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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode. What was a song that
Speaker 1: we think you might enjoy? Miles, what's the song that
Speaker 1: we think people might enjoy? The weather has been heating
Speaker 1: up in La thank God. Although I do try to
Speaker 1: wear my rain hat in the eighty five degree heat.
Speaker 1: It's not a great combination.
Speaker 2: But in the heat, like the inside of that hat, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's like more of like a sauna on the inside
Speaker 2: of that coff And my head looks like a like
Speaker 2: a thumb that's been in like a bathtub for too long.
Speaker 1: It looks like Shane Battier's the top of head for
Speaker 1: those that can understand that reference. But yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a track by this artist Month's Anita, who is like
Speaker 1: a Peruvian Cumbia artist from like the sixties and like
Speaker 1: kind of the psychedelic wave of Cumbia that was happening
Speaker 1: in Peru. And this is a very dope track. It's
Speaker 1: called Andino A N D I N O and the
Speaker 1: full artist name is Manzanita Isunto and it's just just great.
Speaker 1: It's like great music when you're outside because it makes
Speaker 1: you want to like have your shoulders just kind of
Speaker 1: bouncing as you walk around. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: describe it, but it's just great atmospheric music for when
Speaker 1: the weather's form, and Cumbia in general is fantastic. So
Speaker 1: check this out. This is Manzanita with Andino. All right, well,
Speaker 1: we'll link off of that in the footnotes. The Daily
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