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Speaker 2: Episode five point fifty eight with Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin has

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Speaker 2: brand called Spade and Sparrows. Here she is Caitlin Bristo. Caitlin,

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Speaker 2: Best all around of the pros. Daniella Okay, I didn't

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Speaker 2: even Allen going to air one, Yeah, because that's where

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00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,199
Speaker 2: we would go right there, always just like that's what

439
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 2: we'd go, get some food before we went back, and

440
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 2: like it is such everybody just kind of becomes a unit.

441
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,840
Speaker 1: It is such family vibes. Like even going back last week,

442
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,320
Speaker 1: which I haven't been on the show in four five years,

443
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: everyone is just acts like you've never left. It just

444
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,400
Speaker 1: feels like such a family over there. It was why

445
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 1: didn't you come to the twentieth ever? Oh?

446
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,120
Speaker 2: I tried to go. I did. It was the Thursday

447
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 2: before the Tuesday of the show, and I was having

448
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 2: surgery and I told my doctor, Hey, I'm supposed to

449
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 2: go to LA Yeah, and he's like, unless you want

450
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 2: to get a blood clot in your leg, oh, you're

451
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 2: not going to LA. I was very sad I couldn't.

452
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 1: Go because every everything would have been so different as

453
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 1: if they would. Do you think he would have Oh,

454
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: because he didn't say it in the ballroom, No he didn't,

455
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 1: So he said it on an interview after. Yeah, it

456
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 1: still would have went the same an.

457
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 2: Interview leading up to because he came back that episode. Yeah.

458
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 2: I also loved Tom Bergern even still did he Have you.

459
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: Talked to him, like personally since stop? I was gonna say,

460
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 1: shut up, that's mean, okay, shut up?

461
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, No I haven't. I really why I don't feel

462
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 2: bad about any of this controversy is that I never

463
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 2: said anything negative about anybody. Yeah, there have been times

464
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: I've said things and I regret it and I'm like, oops, Yeah,

465
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't have said that. I have nothing negative to say

466
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 2: about the show. I've said things at times about how

467
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 2: toxic the extremely hardcore fans are of that show, But

468
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 2: that can happen with sports teams too. Oh like I

469
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: fight with Freakin Texas Longhorn fans like crazy, Like, if

470
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: you're passionate, it's toxic.

471
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: It's true. The fans like they're so loyal to the show.

472
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean even Bachelor Nation fans like, man, they think

473
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: you are a character on a show, and they pigeonhole

474
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: you into this one thing and they will die on

475
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: that hill that that's who you are. And they do

476
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 1: the same thing with Dancing with the Starts. You write

477
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: sports anything like for women, Bachelor is their super Bowl,

478
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: Like that's it's it is, and and fans are crazy

479
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: good and bad and you need both.

480
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and mostly you see the bad because the algorithm

481
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 2: puts out what gets engagement, and you know it gets

482
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: engagement people saying negative things.

483
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true. The algorithm really does me dirty.

484
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, why are you showing me this?

485
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 2: Do have you watched your dances back? Do you watch

486
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: them back?

487
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: Like every day?

488
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so proud of me winning. I don't want

489
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: I never want anybody to think I like hate anything

490
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I get upset a section of it.

491
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: That's so fair.

492
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: And I was made to feel I was really bad

493
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: at dancing, which I was bad, and then I got

494
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: to be okay. But my triumph is Vegas put out

495
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: the odds before the show. I was last. Really yeah, there,

496
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: I have like the screenshot of like when Vegas put

497
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: it out and you could bet I was dead last.

498
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: That's even better. I love an underdog story. But also,

499
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: do you are you a little sad you sent the

500
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: mirror ball back? Like, are you like, actually, I do

501
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: want to be back because you are proud of.

502
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: It a little. I did the opera a few days

503
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: later and I was playing the operator. I was playing

504
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: a song. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I sent the

505
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: mirror ball back. I kind of regret it, but someone

506
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: has reached out to me from.

507
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: The network and they said they would give it back.

508
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: It's whatever I want.

509
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 1: Oh what do you want?

510
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

511
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you should take it back, coming

512
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: from somebody who I react with emotion a lot, and

513
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: I've been in therapy for it for about ten years

514
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: to try and remove myself and take a deep breath

515
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: before I do anything. I still find it very hard

516
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: and I get myself in trouble a lot with that.

517
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: But that is something that it's like, look at all

518
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: these things you have behind you, like it's you deserved that,

519
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter what Tom said. It can hurt

520
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: your feelings.

521
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: It's not just about Tom.

522
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: I know.

523
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: The association sometimes was like I look at that and

524
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the only thing I've ever done where

525
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: I purposefully just tried hard. Yeah, worked hard, tried to

526
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: make people better around me. I would help other contestants

527
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: for on their camera time. I'm like, guys, I know

528
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 2: you're working on all the dance, but you know what's

529
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: going to pay off is you talking to the camera.

530
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Speaker 2: So I would like work with some of the some

531
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: of the other contestants there, like I did everything I

532
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: could to help and then for people to go, we

533
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: think you're less than That was my association with that trophy.

534
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: There are things where I get it where I'm like,

535
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: people don't like me because I say this or feel

536
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: this way signed up for that. This is the only

537
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: thing where I was like the underdog who came who won,

538
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: and then that's held against me. And so that association

539
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: kind of it soured it a bit.

540
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say even when Neive Schulman was

541
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: the runner up on my show, and sometimes I would like,

542
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: go and look at his comments, and it doesn't even

543
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: to this day, like post something, if it has anything

544
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: to do with Dancer with the Stars, every comment is

545
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: how he should have won over me.

546
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I'm so glad that happens to

547
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: you two.

548
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it's so it's such a prideful thing

549
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: that winning that mirror ball, and nobody will ever understand

550
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: how hard you work or what you do behind the

551
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: scenes because it's such a joyful show. And they show

552
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: snippets when you're literally grinding in there for eight hours

553
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: a day. You don't get a day off. You don't

554
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: even get a Sunday off camera blocking is Monday and

555
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: then or Sunday, and then it's the rehearsal in the show.

556
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: You are so mentally physically drained that like, nobody will

557
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: ever understand unless you do it, And to do it

558
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: that many weeks in a row, to make it to

559
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: the end and have people questioned or not like that

560
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: you won it, you just almost want to punch them

561
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: in the face, because you're like, you do it. That's

562
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: a show right there, to go out and find people

563
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: who are trolls and then make them do what you do,

564
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: like sit in that chair and hold a podcast and

565
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: or go do one dance class.

566
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: I was like, just punch them in the face. I

567
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: was going to sign up for that show. That's show.

568
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: Just find it for all and punch them in the face.

569
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: That would be I mean, that's that is a dream

570
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: show for me to work on.

571
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, after I won, I don't know what happened after

572
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: you won that night. Yeah, can you walk me through

573
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: the night.

574
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: Yes. It was very different from most things because I

575
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: was in COVID season.

576
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: Oh that sucks.

577
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: So I didn't even have an audience. I had a

578
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: laugh button machine and a clap button machine, and there

579
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: was no one there, and we weren't allowed to hang

580
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: out with each other, and we weren't allowed to go

581
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: in the room and help each other, and we had

582
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: to get tested every day, and if you got COVID,

583
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: you were out of the competition, and I was. I

584
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: got a false positive COVID test. Dita called me and

585
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 1: she goes, you might want to pull over and I

586
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: just started hysterically bawling. She was like, if you get

587
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: another positive, you're out of the competition. And this was

588
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: week eight when I'm like in it, and I was

589
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: like no, and I was like googling how to get

590
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: fake like test done.

591
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: You can go to my doctor. That was shooting me

592
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: up at I.

593
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have gotten to your guy, but I just I

594
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: went and it was actually a false false positive. I

595
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: did three tests at the clinic. It was all negative.

596
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: I got to go back. But the night, the night

597
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 1: that I won, I remember, it was like everybody had

598
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: to be six feet apart, so we were like talking

599
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: with like masks on. And then after Neiva actually had

600
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: people over and so we all went to party after.

601
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: But I just like sat with my mirror ball on

602
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: the rooftop of this hotel I was staying at and

603
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: drank wine and Neva was like, Oh, you're not gonna

604
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: come over. You're too good to come over, and I

605
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: was like final show up. I went there, nobody was there.

606
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: I was just drunk. Neve and I was like, did

607
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: everybody leave it? He was like yeah, And I was like,

608
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: why why don't you tell me everyone went home? And

609
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: he's like, because I think we should do a bit

610
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: online about like it's blah blah blah for me. And

611
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: so he was like all bitter and he was drunk

612
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: and he wanted to do this video for social media

613
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: that we did post and it ended up being funny.

614
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: But I still think he's mad at.

615
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: Me, probably at what you didn't allow him to have, right,

616
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: not you. Everybody likes you, which is weird, I'm gonna

617
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: be honest think so yeah, because most people, hey, I

618
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: don't get I think people that have done your franchise, Yeah,

619
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: there's not universal love for really anybody else from in town. Yeah,

620
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: like some of my closest friends, especially two okay, love

621
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: you as a huge because we haven't spent any time.

622
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: I guess we met. I was like, what up high five?

623
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: Other than that, yeah, but because I was like, I'm

624
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: going to talk about it with somebody.

625
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: I was so honored. Do you ask me?

626
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: And they both were like, she's the greatest person, and

627
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: that's not often said about people. I think those shows

628
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: change people too, absolutely, not just your show, because I

629
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: did again, I did four years of American Idol, so

630
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: I have a different kind of experience with reality television.

631
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: But no, people like, as a person, spoke very highly

632
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: of you.

633
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: That means a lot. Thank you for sharing that with me,

634
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: because I sometimes I'm like, yes, because I'm Canadian, I'm

635
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: just nice.

636
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: You guys are really nice, but.

637
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: I am also very spicy, but it's genuine, like I

638
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: will stand up for what I believe in and sometimes

639
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: people like I'm very like polarizing online. But I think

640
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: if people know me, they know my heart. So I'm

641
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: okay with that. But it is it. I always thought

642
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: it was so crazy when I came off Bachelor, I

643
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: was so hated, not by humans that knew me, so.

644
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't watch Yeah, so oh, I had

645
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: a what was your I'm gonna say character because they

646
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: do absolutely edit you into what they want you to be.

647
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I was like the raunchy, sexualized.

648
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: Did you go on as a contestant first? Yes? Did

649
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: you win? No?

650
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: So I went on as a contestant and the Bachelor

651
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: guy he was he was a farmer, and I was like,

652
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: I need him to know my humor right out of

653
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: the limo. So I went up to him and I

654
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: was like, I don't really know much about you, Like

655
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: I know your name's Chris, and I know you're a farmer,

656
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: so I'd a plow out to your field any day

657
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: as a joke, which, by the way, this was like

658
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: ten years ago. So I thought that was hilarious, and

659
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: he thought it was hilarious, but they edited it to

660
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: make it seem like he was like, oh god, really,

661
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: and then I was like, but he actually thought it

662
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: was hilarious, and I was like, okay, good. He laughed,

663
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: and so then I just became like the edgy can

664
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: with tattoos who swore a lot and talked about sex

665
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: and that is a small part of me.

666
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: Have tattoos, yes, And.

667
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: Then I was sent home. There's three of us left.

668
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: I was very sure he was going to pick me.

669
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: I was like, he's aissle thing.

670
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: He's definitely Oh so you thought you'd win.

671
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he sent me home. I was devastated. And

672
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: then the show's therapist was like, are you really devastated

673
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: or were you just in the bubble? And I was

674
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: like oh. And then I came back and then they

675
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: asked me to be the bachelorette, and then they put

676
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: two bachelorettes on my season, and the men got to

677
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: decide who they wanted to be the bachelor.

678
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: So you finally So this is why this this sucks

679
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: for you for two reasons. One, you finally are the one,

680
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: except there's another one and then you go to Dancing

681
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: with the Stars yeah, which is also awesome, but then

682
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: it's COVID.

683
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

684
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: Like you got limited awesomeness in both the things that

685
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: should have been one hundred percent awesome.

686
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: I know it was. It was tough, but I mean she,

687
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: the girl that I was pitted against, was actually a friend,

688
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: so we didn't We tried to not it so seriously.

689
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: But again, I'm very competitive, and it was more about

690
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: like winning to me than like because I'm like, if

691
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: they pick her, these just aren't guys for me. But

692
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: also like pick me because I need.

693
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: To win and that you're going to be the person

694
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: and then you're not. That's kind of a mind screw.

695
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: I know. I made sure I negotiated the hell out

696
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: of my contract for that one, because I was like,

697
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: if I go home night one, I still better get

698
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: paid something.

699
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: So you didn't get with the dude in one, Please

700
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: excuse my ignorance, no, I because I don't expect you

701
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: know anything about me. No, actually I didn't did you

702
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: get with anybody from when you were the Bachelorette? Did

703
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: you marry anybody from me?

704
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I got engaged and I was with him Sean Booth.

705
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Do you know how that is?

706
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Uh? Wait?

707
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: Ye has Jim? Yes, got it.

708
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: I was with him for three and a half years,

709
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: and in the contract for a Bachelorette, if you stay

710
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: together longer than two years, you get to keep the ring.

711
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 1: So I still have the ring from that. But we

712
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: broke up and then I started dating another bachelor guy,

713
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: which was in my head, I'm going it just felt

714
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: you know when you like bond with people, I guess

715
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: it could be a trauma bond.

716
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 2: And you just know what you know, this experience.

717
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, oh, I'll go for another

718
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: bachelor guy. Great, and speak about like you were saying,

719
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, some people change from getting I always compare

720
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: it to like a drug, and people get a little

721
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: taste of what it feels like to be famous from

722
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, and it really does change them.

723
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: And I've seen it happen so many times and it

724
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: was really important to me going in. Even when I

725
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: was like walking out of that limo, I was like

726
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm I don't care if people hate me. I'm going

727
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: to be myself. I'm not gonna let this change me.

728
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: And I remember at the very end, all of a sudden,

729
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: like all these interviews were happening and people were recognizing me,

730
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: and I was getting all these opportunities, and I remember

731
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: being so overwhelmed, and I got very depressed because I

732
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: just didn't know how to like function after it being

733
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: so much manipulated and drinking so much and not sleeping

734
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: and then picking this guy who was mad at me

735
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: for sleeping with somebody else in the fantasy suites, and

736
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I was just like in a really bad place. And

737
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: I just remember in that moment going just go back

738
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: to being you. Just be you, and everything will align

739
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: with what you want in life if you're just yourself

740
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and you stay humble. And I was always so important

741
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: to me to not let it change me. And my

742
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: dad always says to me, He's like, I'm so proud

743
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: of you, and he goes, it's not for all of

744
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: your accomplishments, he goes, it's still because you're the same person,

745
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: just a more evolved version of yourself.

746
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: Why are you here in Nashville?

747
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: Because Sean lived here, and so when we got engaged,

748
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: he came to Vancouver, where I was living, and we

749
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: stayed there for a few months, and then we moved

750
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: to Nashville.

751
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

752
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

753
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: Is this home now?

754
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Yes? I've been here for ten year, which is crazy.

755
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: Oh oh you have been here a long time. Yes,

756
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: I've been here thirteen. So around this way?

757
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: So where you said again? I forget where you said

758
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: you grew up.

759
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: I grew up in Arkansas. It's all right, yeah, okay,

760
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: have you ever been there?

761
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: No?

762
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: But I really want to go to oh, what's it

763
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: called where the people who own Walmart?

764
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: Like Bentonville?

765
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: Bentonville.

766
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: You want to go to that town?

767
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: I do because my best friend moved there and she

768
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: said it's they like redid the whole city, Like it's.

769
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: Northwest Arkansas is awesome. Yeah yeah, it's where also the

770
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: University of Arkansas is. It's the best. Oh yeah yeah

771
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.

772
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: Have you ever been in Canada?

773
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Toronto. Thought somebody was robbing me. They were just

774
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: giving me directions.

775
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: Oh.

776
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: I was on my phone. I was like, I can't

777
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: find this restaurant and someone comes up behind me, and

778
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, and they were like, we

779
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: can help you. And I was like this the kindest

780
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: I know people ever.

781
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: They really are. Like I whenever I go back home,

782
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: especially the province of Alberta where I grew up, and

783
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I feel like people, it's just so boring there and

784
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: there's really nothing to do, and we call ourselves just

785
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: prayer people, where we would just have fun going out

786
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: into the middle of a bush and just having some

787
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: beers and like laughing at that's.

788
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: A small town rural Arkansas too.

789
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just that's crazy that you've never

790
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: had a drink as or a reason or is that personal?

791
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: Both? Okay, but I talk about it. I mean's it's personal.

792
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: But I've talked about it a lot. Oh okay, I

793
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: like that. You don't know anything about me, so I don't.

794
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to get bad.

795
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: But my mom had me. She take it pregnant fifteen, okay.

796
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: She was an attic. Died in her forties. My dad

797
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: left when I was like five. He's an attic. He's

798
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: still around, not me. I don't know him. Yeah, so

799
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: had addicted parents.

800
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense.

801
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: One that was never there, one that was there, but

802
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: she even my mom left and I was adopted, So

803
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: it was just a lot of that, and so early

804
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: on I was like, hey, I don't want to do that.

805
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: Well, wow, that could have went one of two ways.

806
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and it would have gone the other

807
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: way for sure, because I get addicted to everything that

808
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: I do, and I think some of its insecurity because

809
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: I want to prove that I'm worthy.

810
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Of course, that makes so much sense, it does. I mean,

811
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking that I never want to say it

812
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: up loud, but that I'm sure you've known that about yourself.

813
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.

814
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: And I talk about an a therapy a lot. Well, yeah,

815
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: my whole career is based off of fear. Fear, see, yeah,

816
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: And I have had a great career and I've grew

817
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: up very poor and now I'm not. Yeah, and so

818
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: all the things are right, but still there's still so

819
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: much insecurity that really I have awareness of. It's not gone.

820
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: I just have awareness of it. And that's the value

821
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: of me going to therapy.

822
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: I relate to this very much, not to the parents,

823
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: being like my dad actually was an attic. He's thirty

824
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: five years sober, and my mom and they were just

825
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: the most loving parents, like that I could ever ask

826
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: for it. But I felt like my worth really came

827
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: from performance and dance and how I looked and how

828
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: I came across and just not like who I was inside.

829
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: And so I grew up very much thinking like I

830
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: had to look a certain way. I had to be

831
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: the best at dance, I had to be the best.

832
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: I had to be the most popular girl at school,

833
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: and I would get praised for those kinds of things,

834
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: even though my parents still like, really like I was

835
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: a very unique kid.

836
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: I was.

837
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I was very shy at first and then very outgoing,

838
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: and I had the most offside sense of humor. I

839
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: swear all the time, I would drink all the time.

840
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: They just let me be who I was. But my

841
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: worth was always on performing and winning and being the best.

842
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: So I get that.

843
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't so much enjoy winning as I hate losing,

844
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: because if I lose, I feel like everybody thinks I'm

845
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: less than them.

846
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm the exact, even to a point where I've

847
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: worked on this in therapy, Like I get competitive in

848
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: relationships because I don't like to feel less than my partner,

849
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: which is so silly.

850
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: I have a wife that is smarter than me, and

851
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: it's been really hard for me to deal with that

852
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: because I've always been the smartest person. And that was

853
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: definitely it's a weird thing to say. Both are weird

854
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: that I was in this, but yeah, that's it's it's weird.

855
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Being My therapist always says, because I'm like, well, at

856
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: least I'm self aware, Like I know when I'm being ridiculous,

857
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: i know when i'm being competitive, i know when I'm

858
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: being reactive. I'm so self aware, and she goes, I

859
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: would say that's self reflective. I don't know if you're

860
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: self aware. And I was like, oh, to quote Tom

861
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: berdron out out.

862
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: To quote Tom Burger on oh gosh, I found like

863
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: because I did a lot of stand up yeah, or

864
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: would play music or would you know in the radio show,

865
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: Not so much the radio show with like receiving praise

866
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: in real time, but I would go out and I

867
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: think I only started performing to find love, like some

868
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: kind of love, not romantic love, but just any sort

869
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: of love at all. Yeah, Like, and it was like

870
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: it's like I feel loved, I'm funny, I'm awesome. But

871
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: then when it would really suck as you go back

872
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: to your hotel room after a show. I've just done

873
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: a theater and you're like kind of alone again.

874
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Well, it's the high highs and the lows, and you

875
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: feel those very much. I'm the same way. I really feel.

876
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I being like content is weird for me. I either

877
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: want to be like yeah. Either I'm either like really

878
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: low and like I'm not doing enough and I'm a failure.

879
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Or I'm really high and I go, okay, I love

880
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: being here, or I need to stay here.

881
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: How do you do with vulnerability?

882
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: I okay again, Everyone that follows me online would say

883
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm the most vulnerable person. People stop me and say

884
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: thank you for being so vulnerable, and then my therapist

885
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: tells me that I'm terrible at it. She goes, you

886
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: hate being vulnerable, and I think I'm just good at

887
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: being self reflective. I think I'm good at I could

888
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: talk about my insecurities all day long, but I don't

889
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: like sitting in discomfort, which is also vulnerability. So if

890
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: there's like bad things happening, or someone's in an argument

891
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: with me, or like someone wants to say I was

892
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: dating someone and we got in a fight, I want

893
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: to just be like, Nope, it's not happening, and I'll

894
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: go sleep and I'll ignore it and pretend it's not happening.

895
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: I have a really hard time sitting in discomfort, so

896
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: like yes and no to be vulnerable.

897
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: Similar I'm excellent at performative vulnerability, which is true, It's

898
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: all true. But if I'm doing it, and I think

899
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing it for a larger reason, man, my first

900
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: book ate me up because I put it all out

901
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: and that was not that hard for me. But when

902
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: one person would want to talk to me about it

903
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: one on one, or like even especially with like my

904
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: wife or like a close friend, I'm really bad there

905
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: the same, Yeah, really bad there. Yeah, I'm not very

906
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: good at being vulnerable one on one.

907
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: I wonder what that is because I'm the exact same,

908
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: and I don't like performative always sounds so bad to

909
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: me because I'm not going to name his name people

910
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: will know anyways. But one of my exes like just

911
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: felt very performative to me, and I can't stand when

912
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: people just can't be who they are and to me.

913
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I sometimes I would podcast about vulnerability and I'd like

914
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: do research more on it to talk like I would

915
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: to have more knowledgeable And then I'm like, am I

916
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: doing this to get something and to feel connection with

917
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: other people? Or am I doing it because I really

918
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about it? And I've had to check

919
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: myself so many times to make sure I'm not being performative.

920
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: But you're right, that's a real thing, and it's true.

921
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: Both can be true. Yeah, yeah, two things can be

922
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: true at once.

923
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: That's I used to call myself a walking contradiction. But

924
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: then my therapist how many times drink every time I

925
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: say I agrapas would say, no, You're just like a

926
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: walking image of two things can be true at once.

927
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: You hold those two, you do that, And I'm like,

928
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I really do. And I think

929
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: people always think, Like when people are like are you happy,

930
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, what hour is it? I don't know? Being

931
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: happy is You're supposed to, as a human being, feel

932
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: a range of emotions daily. So am I happy right

933
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: now in this moment? Sure? But like that's small talk

934
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: for you.

935
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: I guess I don't have a range. What do you

936
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: mean my battle has been my emotion? Is this all

937
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: the time?

938
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: Really?

939
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: I know I ever get sad, but I never get

940
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: that happy. And now my wife has changed me at

941
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: like my core at that because she comes from a

942
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: very healthy family. She knows how to love, she knows

943
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: how to say it, she knows how to show it,

944
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: she knows how to receive it. I'm the worst at

945
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: receiving it, wow, because it never felt like I deserved it,

946
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: Like if they really got to know the real me,

947
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: they wouldn't love me as always been kind of.

948
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: But that makes so much sense with what you've been

949
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: through in your life.

950
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: So it's just here because I feel like if I

951
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: know you have no expectations, I can't get hurt. But

952
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: the problem is if you don't have the ability to

953
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: go down, you don't have the ability to go up

954
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: right you can It's a pendulum, yeah, like you can

955
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: only go as high as you do low and so

956
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: go too far well, And I think both are different

957
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: kinds of I don't want to say problems, but different

958
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: kinds of bills we pay to work through with our therapists.

959
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: Yes, my gosh, she makes a great living off of me.

960
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: Let's do more superlatives for some of the stars. Because

961
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't come up with these, but I

962
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: think this is fun and you can throw one back

963
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: at me too, But who is like the coolest pro Pasha?

964
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: Why Danielle's husband there? There is something just so did

965
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: you ever meet him?

966
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: They came in after Its okay?

967
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: So Pasha is just so sure of himself and his

968
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: relationship with Daniella. They have so much love and respect

969
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: for one another. He is so patient and kind, He's

970
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: very undercover, funny, and the way he dances is just

971
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: so smooth and cool, and I just if you're a dancer,

972
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of dancers feel like the

973
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: need to be on at all times, and Pasha just

974
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: doesn't feel that way to me. He's like, even when

975
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: he's on, he still it feels like he's just himself.

976
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's what I think is cool about him.

977
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to give mind a vow for a couple

978
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: of reasons. One, he freaking plays a violin at a

979
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 2: high level.

980
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I know that's the coolest thing.

981
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: And it's two things that traditionally men wouldn't go A

982
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: dance and violin player. That's masculine. That dude is a

983
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: masculine dancing violin player. And he's also so not was

984
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: so nice to.

985
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: Me, really, yeah, was because I heard he's tough in

986
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: the ballroom all they.

987
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: All yeah, yeah, yeah, And my partner was really hard

988
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: on me. She should have been. She wouldn't have got

989
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: out of me what she got out of me. But

990
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: we also had the conversation early like I was like, hey,

991
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: I have to be coached yea, and you cannot coach

992
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: me too hard because we have the same goal and

993
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: it is to win.

994
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

995
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: She thought it was crazy because she thought there was

996
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: no chance we were going to win. She had made

997
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: the finals multiple times and with a backstreet boy with

998
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: a pro player, never won, so I was her first

999
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: win of all people. But yeah, you can't coach me

1000
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: too hard. But we did have that conversation early where

1001
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: you got to if I need it, and we fought,

1002
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 2: Oh I bet.

1003
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they all do.

1004
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. You're just close to that person so much that

1005
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: you fight with your friends occasionally. Yeah, and that relationship

1006
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: and you had it with your party. You're just together

1007
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: so much.

1008
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: Well, And I don't like being told what to do

1009
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: me either.

1010
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: And something you said earlier was you go in you

1011
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: have to learn. We're toddlers again.

1012
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I don't like being bad at something.

1013
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: And as I came in as people thinking I'm a dancer.

1014
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: So then I felt like I was just disappointing everybody

1015
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: with not being able to pick things up.

1016
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go and I'm running like shows and I

1017
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: got multiple podcasts, I got TV shows on, and all

1018
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden, in that room, I am the lowest

1019
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: of low, not as a human but at my skill level. Yeah,

1020
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: and I'm not used to that because I'm used to

1021
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: running everything because I've built everything myself. Yes, it is

1022
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: a hard check.

1023
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh, you have hyper independence, like hyper yes, and I don't.

1024
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know where. I think my hyper independence

1025
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: comes from the fact that I thought, and I was

1026
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: taught to believe, that I would just find a man

1027
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: to rely on and that that's what would make me happy.

1028
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: And so when I quit dancing, I found a very

1029
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: successful hockey player, as a Canadian does, and I went,

1030
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, how great. I'm not gonna work, I'm

1031
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: going to travel. I get to follow him around and

1032
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: he makes great money, and I learned so quickly that

1033
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: that is not the life for me. And that was

1034
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: when something shifted in me, because he broke my heart

1035
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: to like to a point where I actually had to

1036
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: go see like psychiatric help because I was like, I'm

1037
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: not okay. I need help. And I've said this before

1038
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: on a podcast. I actually got addicted to valume. I

1039
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: was on antidepressants, which I still am on antidepressants, but

1040
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: I like just was like, I can take a pill

1041
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: and numb myself and not feel anything. This is awesome.

1042
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: I moved in with my parents back at the age

1043
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: of like twenty seven, and I was like then, I

1044
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a loser. So I got my act together.

1045
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: I started building myself back up. I started going to therapy,

1046
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: and then I felt like that's when I really needed

1047
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: to prove, like I could do everything by myself. I

1048
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: will never rely on a man because I was just

1049
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: relying on him emotionally.

1050
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: Oh so hard. Wasn't too hard? So too hard?

1051
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Where now it's a coping mechanism and I still work

1052
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: on that, Like I just want to do I want

1053
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: to prove that I can do everything by myself because well,

1054
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: mostly with men. But it's all because of a heartbreak?

1055
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: Is it because of the heartbreak? It's it's not.

1056
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: Dad, Oh God, my Dad's my hero. He's the best

1057
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: man I've ever met in my life and like the

1058
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: bar is so high he is, and I think it's

1059
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: because he's sober. He's so consistent. He does AA. He

1060
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: will not miss an AA meeting every Monday, and it's

1061
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: the steps they go through every Monday. It's just so

1062
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: cool because he lives a life that he's just so

1063
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: proud of and he's just the kindest man I've ever met.

1064
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: So no daddy issues for me.

1065
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: Are they still together your mom and dad?

1066
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: No, they're friends though they like still talk and text

1067
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: and SA happy Birthday, And it wasn't it was. It

1068
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: was a little messy there for a minute. But they

1069
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: divorced when I was eighteen years old, which was kind

1070
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: of like, it's.

1071
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: An odd time to divorce, very odd. You're not even

1072
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: there with Did you live with them at eighteen?

1073
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: I did. I moved out at nineteen. Yeah, And it

1074
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: was it was just one of those things where my

1075
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: sister and I were both like, Okay, you guys, it's time,

1076
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: like you don't have.

1077
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: To hold on. Yeah.

1078
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, But they're both remarried and have been for a

1079
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: very long time to the most wonderful people that make

1080
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: sense for them. I can't even imagine my parents together.

1081
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: My mom is such a firecracker and she is so

1082
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: wild and crazy, and my dad is just like so

1083
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: even keeled. And now he's with somebody else who's very calm,

1084
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: and then my mom's with somebody who just loves her

1085
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: chaotic like energy. And oh, I'm a mixture of both.

1086
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: I would say I'm definitely more my mom. And if

1087
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: people meet my mom, they go, wow, the apple does

1088
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: not fall far. And then if my best friend, like

1089
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Speaker 1: my best friend has spent time with my dad and

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00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, that's where your kind heart comes from,

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00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, cause he's just the best.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

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00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: When have they been the most proud of you?

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00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: See, that's a tricky one because I think my dad

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00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: has been the most proud of me, like as of recently,

1097
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: because of staying humble and not letting everything get to

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00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: my head. I feel like he I thought he was

1099
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: going to tell me he was dying because he was like, Caitlin,

1100
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: can I he comes to visit me all the time.

1101
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: He's like, can I just take you in another room

1102
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: and talk to you for a second about something? And

1103
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: I'm like you're dying because my brain goes Doomsday all

1104
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: the time. And he went through all of my accomplishments

1105
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: and he was like, this is kind of the same

1106
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: thing as what I was saying earlier. He was like,

1107
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: but I am the most proud of you for just

1108
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: who you are as a person today, and so I

1109
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: feel like he's the most proud of me for that.

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00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: My mom, I would say, she does deep down feel

1111
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: the same way, but she is such a like she's

1112
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: like me the mirror ball. It felt like she won the.

1113
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: Mirror ball, like she was a ballerine, I know.

1114
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: And she's just like I think she's really I think

1115
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: she's really the most proud of my accomplishments.

1116
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: Which it's cool that you're kind of covered on both sides,

1117
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: and you know what, they both are probably also proud

1118
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: of the other thing.

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00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, for sure, Like I.

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00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: Don't think that it's your dad's just who you are.

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00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: I think he's also proud the work that you've put in, yes,

1122
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: and your mom the opposite. But it's cool that you

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00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: kind of covered on both sides.

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00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Well, my mom definitely, I think has a little bit

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00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: of like she should have done this, Like she definitely

1126
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: gave up her dream of dancing to marry my dad,

1127
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: and then she became a mom, and then she felt

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00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: like she really lost herself. So I feel like she

1129
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of likes to live vicariously through me, which is

1130
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: sometimes like ah, and other times I'm like I get it.

1131
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: I'd be the same way.

1132
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: If they asked you to come back and do Dancing

1133
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: with the Stars again, would you do.

1134
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: It without a doubt?

1135
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really?

1136
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: What about you? I was actually talking to Kevin about

1137
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: this earlier. I worked out with him this morning and

1138
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: we were talking about an All Star season and I

1139
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to ask him if he would

1140
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: do that, because I'm very, very curious.

1141
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: You'd have to No, I'm going to say something from

1142
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: what I know. They're obviously not doing another All Star

1143
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: season that I know.

1144
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't know anything I try and get them to

1145
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: all the time.

1146
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: I have been asked because it has become a thing

1147
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: that I have been bad and if I would come

1148
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: back and just be a part of it again, what

1149
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: do you mean that I can tell you? But interesting,

1150
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm kind of like an anomaly that they

1151
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: would want to see if that anomaly would repeat itself.

1152
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: And you say, no, I've not said anything.

1153
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, because it's not been.

1154
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: A hey, we want to offer. I don't think. I

1155
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: don't know.

1156
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm picking up what you're putting in.

1157
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: I really have nothing to gain by it, right, And

1158
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: I think one of the weird things of me winning

1159
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: is people like, well, you use your audience.

1160
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: It's a voting show.

1161
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody uses whatever audience that got them there,

1162
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: if it's social media. Because I work.

1163
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: Currently the TikTok star, she's got like a hundred million followers,

1164
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: of course she's gonna win.

1165
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: People are like, well, you you talk to your audience

1166
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: every morning and they voted on your radio show or

1167
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: your podcast. And I'm like, yes, that's that's that's accurate.

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00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you did that TikTok the other day or

1169
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: maybe it was Instagram whatever, it was about, like this

1170
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: is my impression of Dancing with the Stars fans because

1171
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: they don't make sense.

1172
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they hold it against you for having

1173
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: dance experience. Yeah, this is just about dance, and then

1174
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: they do the opposite when it fits the narrative that

1175
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: they want. Because I felt like Whitney was really good,

1176
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: she was una really good the ball.

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00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: I was sitting in the audience when she got sent home,

1178
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: and I like grabbed the two people behind beside me.

1179
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: I grabbed their arms and I like gasped audibly. I

1180
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: was like, because I'm like, that just goes to show

1181
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: the internet is so powerful and mean that they rallied

1182
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: together to send her home and crush her dreams because

1183
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: they didn't like her character on the Mormon Wives, and

1184
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: that the next.

1185
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: Day I went on and I've not watched Mormon Wife,

1186
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: so I said, somebody explained to me what her character

1187
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: is because they voted her the Mormon Wife off, not

1188
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: the Dancing with the Stars contestant, because I liked the

1189
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars contestant and I didn't know her

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00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: from Mormon Wives.

1191
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: Say I didn't. She's been on my podcast. I love

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00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: her as a person. I've seen clips of Mormon Wives

1193
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, not the best look. But it's

1194
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: also she has to fit. People need to realize that

1195
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: reality TV casts for certain personalities. They need a mean girl,

1196
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: they need a bully, they need a funny one. They

1197
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: need it's otherwise you're getting the same person. And Whitney

1198
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: just happens to be a person who speaks her mind.

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00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: She's brutally honest, and people were so mad that she

1200
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: said I came back for season three of Mormon Wise

1201
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: to be on the dance the start of the stress,

1202
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: and I thought that was so honest of her.

1203
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: Yes, honest. You should be rewarded for that.

1204
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, I'm sorry. Do you think people

1205
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: go on reality TV because they have hopes and dreams

1206
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: of like just like it's my dream to be on TV?

1207
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it is.

1208
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: Like capping out at that. Yeah, yeah, I thought I

1209
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: thought it was unfair. She was awesome, so awesome, and

1210
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: I don't know her at all, and yeah, the fans

1211
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: are weird and we'll rap, but I'll go first, most

1212
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: vulnerable time on Dancing with the Stars. I'm gonna ask

1213
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: you yours. I'll give you mine, Okay.

1214
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I give you yours.

1215
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: The social media ugliness had become such a point for

1216
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: me in the past, in the final few weeks, because

1217
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: this is the time when they would do the real

1218
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: bottom three. I don't know if they did that in

1219
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: your season or not, but now they've changed it. They

1220
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: just like the random three people and one of them's

1221
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: going home.

1222
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: No they did it the same, they changed it from mine.

1223
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: Okay, so mine was the bottom three. I was never

1224
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: in the bottom three. Yeah, So people were pissed all

1225
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: the time that I wasn't in the bottom three. And

1226
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: I the last three weeks of that show read day

1227
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: before I would practice, before we would go to bed,

1228
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: I would read The freaking Little Engine That Could, the.

1229
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: Book Bless Your Little Cause.

1230
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: Because I was just like, I gotta have something simple

1231
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: to get me through this. And I would read that

1232
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: and just be like, none of this stuff matters. And

1233
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: the book was like, it's like this thick, but it's

1234
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: like eight pages. Yeah, and it's literally about.

1235
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I love that, And I still have the exact book.

1236
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: I read The Little Engine That Could every day for

1237
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: three weeks to get me through the like the emotional

1238
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: part of it for me, because it was so ugly

1239
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: for me.

1240
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1241
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: And at the same time, I was so just hell

1242
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: bent on winning that show.

1243
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: I want you to go to Hoffman so bad.

1244
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of this, Seymour?

1245
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: No, it's an inner child.

1246
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: Oh.

1247
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 2: I saw a clip of you going. I mentioned Hoffman

1248
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: seventy three times. I didn't even know what Hoffman was,

1249
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: but I saw you talking about how much you say Hoffman,

1250
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: it's it's.

1251
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: All about working on your inner child and like healing

1252
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: that part of you.

1253
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 2: I've got to on site.

1254
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: Okay, on site's great. I've been too. It's this is

1255
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: a little more of a deep dive in Hoffman. It's

1256
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: a little more intense and it changed. It really did

1257
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: change my whole life. But talk about vulnerability, Wow, that

1258
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: was I was like literally crying on the floor in

1259
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: front of like thirty people about that.

1260
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: Hawkman.

1261
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, that's so sweet that you read that,

1262
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: because that is it probably like felt like a childlike

1263
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: thing to do, which makes everybody happy. Plus it was

1264
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: something simple that gave you the message that you needed

1265
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: every day, and you really were the little engine that.

1266
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: I was, a freaking little engine. I know. It's it.

1267
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: It makes me a bit emotional thinking back about it,

1268
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: because because a kid's book meant that much to me

1269
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: during that.

1270
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: Time, I want to cry. That's really sweet.

1271
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 2: Don't glam looks great?

1272
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: Oh god does it? Okay, my most vulnerable see I had.

1273
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: My experience was so different because I was so hated

1274
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: as the bachelorette that I got death threats. People would

1275
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: go as far as like photoshopping me in a dumpster

1276
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: saying that's where I belong. They read mean tweets on

1277
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: my like mentell all episode that were just like like,

1278
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: now I can laugh at it because Chris Harrison was

1279
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: literally reading Caitlin, shut your horror legs and stop being

1280
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: a little slut. You are a terrible example for my

1281
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: daughter and blah blah, and I just got torn apart

1282
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: just for being myself. And you know, they needed to

1283
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: change up the bachelorette format. They always had the girl

1284
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: next door of the America, Suvira. So it was such a

1285
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: change for me because I got so much love on

1286
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and the fandom was like whatever

1287
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: they are called, they were so good to me, and

1288
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is a really nice change.

1289
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: But my vulnerability came from every week. I felt like

1290
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: I was not making artem proud. And I remember one

1291
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: time he had just I think he was just fed

1292
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: up with me, which happens with every couple, and I

1293
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: just could not stop sobbing, and he was like, I

1294
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: thought you were a dancer, and it like just and

1295
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: I remember going home that night and I laid in

1296
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: the shower crying as I did most nights and bandaged

1297
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: up everywhere, and for some reason, this is actually crazy.

1298
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: I smelled my grandma and I went, that is such

1299
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: a distinct smell. And I set out loud I smell

1300
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: my grandma and the lights went out in the bathroom

1301
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: and I just screamed for my partner at the time,

1302
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: and he came in and he goes, why are the

1303
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: lights off? I went, I don't know. I said, try

1304
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: and turn them on. He turned them on and they

1305
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't go on, but every other room worked and then

1306
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: the lights just went back on after that. And I

1307
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: my sign for like asking for anything of like guidance.

1308
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: I always asked for blinking lights or like flashing lights.

1309
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: Really, so you'd ask for that prior always.

1310
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: Wow, I've been asking for it for years and I

1311
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: and I remember just like it's a different kind of vulnerability.

1312
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: But I remember just feeling like so aligned, and I

1313
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: was like, I have to just believe in myself and

1314
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing and just battle through this pain. And

1315
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: what Artam says to me, he doesn't mean in the moment,

1316
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: he's just frustrated. He just knows we have the ability

1317
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: to possibly win. And it was just like a really

1318
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: changing moment for me.

1319
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: And that that's wild.

1320
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy, and now I see it like

1321
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: flashing lights happened to me, especially so when I came

1322
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: up out of Hoffmann, I went to Hawaii by myself

1323
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: and went to.

1324
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: Why by myself wants to? He did all by myself?

1325
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: Is it the best?

1326
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: Well? People thought it was. I went to finish a

1327
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: book and people I was like, hey, I'm going on

1328
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: a hike and I said, we take a picture of me.

1329
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, where's the other person? Just me?

1330
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: Other than that? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's such.

1331
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: A spiritual place and it's like my happy It's my Disneyland.

1332
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: That's why I just went to the doll banana plant.

1333
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: You did like cool things?

1334
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh that's funny. And I remember being in

1335
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: Hawaii and I was like, I feel so like high

1336
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: on life right now. And I was still asking for

1337
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: signs of blinking lights. I have a video of it.

1338
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: I went into my bathroom to wash my face that

1339
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: night and the light above me and my hotel room

1340
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: was just blinking and I was like thank you, and

1341
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: I just kept saying thank you. And then I went

1342
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: out and I said, God, I just really want to

1343
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: see like whales and just I'll show you the videos

1344
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: after these whales were just like breaching out and like

1345
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen and people were screaming because they've never

1346
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: seen anything so crazy. And then I went, you know what,

1347
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to google how to get a Hawaiian blessing

1348
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: on a relationship with myself, because I know they do

1349
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: it for married couples, and I was gonna ask for

1350
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: a blessing for it all myself. And this guy came

1351
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: and met me, cutest little man, and it started raining

1352
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: and all these sea turtles just started coming up to

1353
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: my feet and he was like, I've never seen this before,

1354
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, I am so aligned right now.

1355
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm like I think I am a turtle. Like I

1356
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: was just so into it. And then I came home

1357
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: and got my phone back and everything went shit.

1358
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: But that's what happened when you get your phone back. Yes,

1359
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: you get your phone. Yeah, we were talking about your

1360
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: podcast before you came on, and but I just won't

1361
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: say congratulations, like you built something really cool.

1362
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's my favorite thing that I do. I

1363
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: just I love having just like conversation like this. It's

1364
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: nice to do it also with somebody who is obviously

1365
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: a pro, because I'm sure you've had experiences where you're like,

1366
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: this is pulling teeth.

1367
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I was looking forward to this. I

1368
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: knew it would to be pulling teeth and it was

1369
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: something I wanted to talk about. Yeah.

1370
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel like we talked about everything.

1371
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: You wanted to talk about? I don't know. I won't

1372
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: know till later, Oh, because I haven't really I don't

1373
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: even have any notes, right, So it was just like

1374
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: I just wanted to kind of talk about it with

1375
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: somebody who understood it, who wasn't hearing me talk about it,

1376
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: but could actually listen and talk back about the experience.

1377
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: That's why it was valuable for you to be here.

1378
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: So I really appreciate that.

1379
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: No, I was honored that you asked me, and I

1380
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: really do, I really do think you should get it

1381
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: back and here. It's just because you did work so

1382
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: hard for that, and it doesn't matter what people want

1383
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: to take away from you, Like they can't take that

1384
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 1: away from you. You literally took it away from.

1385
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: But also one and a little bit of it was

1386
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: for like, if I'm really going to be like this sucks,

1387
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: like I need to do something about it. I'm going

1388
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: to mail it back. But I hear you're right.

1389
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're right, but you're like a little

1390
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: doggie with your tail, with your Yeah, but I might

1391
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: be I think I just where was it? Was it

1392
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: up there?

1393
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: No neighbors at home?

1394
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: Oh?

1395
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: I ad it at home? Oh yeah.

1396
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: I want you to have it back. You deserve it,

1397
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: all right.

1398
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: Well, Caitlin, thank you forgoting.

1399
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: This has a thank you, thanks for listening to a

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Speaker 4: Bobby Cast production.