1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Old Zone Media it. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: It could happen here with the podcast about I don't know. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 3: How am I supposed to do the pivot from like 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 3: it the Stephen King novel, which could at any point 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: happen in a place where you are. 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: I was trying to get to the podcast coming to 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: you not quite live from a place where a bunch 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: of just masked guys are drabbing people off the street. 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: But that works too, Stephen King could pivot. Haven't done 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: that one yet. I'm your host, Miya Wong. With me 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: is James Stout, and we're also joined by the wonderful 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: freelance journalists melbuer At A fucking holy shit. Yeah, so 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: that happened simultaneously as I inhaled and like apparently a 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: piece of popcorn just like fucking rail guned into the 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: back of my throat relief for this song. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: A professionals here, shit, this is going great. Is journalist 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: John Vector Carpentum. Good lord, I'm so. 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 5: Good at my job. 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: So what we're gonna be talking about is the continued 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: resistance to ice and ice actions in LA and in 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: sort of broader parts of California as stuff has shifted 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: and intensified so both of you two, welcome to the show. 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Glad to be here, happy to be here. 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: So I think the place I want to start is, 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: could you give people just kind of a brief reminder 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: of what happened during that sort of big flare up 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: several weeks ago of protests and ice actions in LA I. 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 5: Can probably speak a little bit more to that. 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 6: So, as part of the federal immigration raids that Donald 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 6: Trump promised, Los Angeles was one of the first targets 31 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 6: of pretty large scale and pretty frankly random immigration raids. 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 6: So it started in early June where you started to see, 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 6: you know, massed agents without oftentimes badges or names on 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 6: their badges or sometimes even serial numbers. First they started 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 6: in home depots areas like that, just sort of running 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 6: around parking lots, tackling people and throwing them into buses. 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 6: Pretty understandably, Los Angelinos started to protest, and they started 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 6: to protest pretty hard, and that happened for a few weeks. 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 6: Eventually the Marines in the National Guard were both deployed 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 6: to federal buildings more large scale protests, and that sort 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 6: of brings us to the last few weeks, which I 42 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 6: think mel can probably speak to Yeah, so. 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 7: You know, the National Guard and the Marines were deployed 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 7: like mid June, right, Yeah, and we kind of saw 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 7: a little bit of petering out of like the mass 46 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 7: protests that we saw at. 47 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: The beginning of June. 48 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 7: But still there were a number of organizations and groups 49 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 7: that were trying to keep tabs on the sort of 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 7: roving patrols that were happening in Los Angeles throughout the 51 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 7: month of June and early July. So these groups were 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 7: taking in tips and trying to maintain a sort of 53 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 7: map of rapid response locations to the ice detainments, kidnappings, 54 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 7: suspension of constitutional rights, if you will. 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: And so what. 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 7: We saw was you know, a good number of weeks 57 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 7: of social media sort of proliferating these posts about where 58 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 7: ice patrols had gone. And because the you know, and 59 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 7: this is something that organizations have spoken to in the 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 7: last couple of weeks, but because their pounder surveillance, I 61 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 7: suppose you could say by these organizations was pretty successful, 62 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 7: the sort of ice patrols began to not happen throughout 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 7: the later half of the day. 64 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: They would happen early in the morning. 65 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 7: They would you know, hit a location, grab as many 66 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 7: people as possible, pull them into the van and take 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 7: them away. And they had gotten it down to something 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 7: like less than ten minutes that they were on scene, 69 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 7: and it made it a little bit difficult for folks 70 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 7: to be able to respond forcefully to those events. And 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 7: they kept it to parking lots, car washes, you know, businesses, 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 7: random street vendors, places that they could enter quickly and 73 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 7: leave quickly. We saw in the middle of June and 74 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 7: in the later half of the month that if they 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 7: were trying to execute Warrens, for example, in a neighborhood, 76 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 7: they would be blocked in almost immediately by neighbors. So 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 7: you can see that there was a pretty consistent response 78 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 7: by Angelino's across the board as much as they could. 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 7: And while this was happening, there was also a pretty 80 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 7: dedicated group of individuals who were spending a lot of 81 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 7: time outside the Mentro Detention Center downtown and downtown LA 82 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 7: which is where many of these vans were going in 83 00:04:59,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 7: and out of. 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: Before they were taking detainees elsewhere. 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, across the board, what we've seen 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 7: is quite a bit of organizing. Much of this organizing 87 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 7: is decades in the making, especially in Los Angeles, but 88 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 7: also in places like Ventura County and a little bit 89 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 7: up north where you see the same kind of work 90 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 7: that's being done. In the later half of the month, 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 7: early July, I should say, we began to see some 92 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 7: pretty intense movements by Border Patrol, most notably in MacArthur 93 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 7: Park on July eighth, I believe, and in the cama 94 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 7: Rio Oxynard area, which is right on the border of 95 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 7: Venture County and other county's name. Escapes me at two 96 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 7: cannabis farms that next week, and those were large scale operations. 97 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 7: A lot of militarized Border Patrol National Guard I believe 98 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 7: helped with both of those operations as well, and also 99 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 7: saw some pretty intense community response to those. 100 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: So, Sean, you'd mentioned you wanted to talk a little 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: more about the organizing, right, Like the way people are 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: organized to try and kind of resist this or at 103 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: least like do what they could. 104 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 6: One of the things that I think is interesting this 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 6: isn't unique to Los Angeles. We're seeing groups organize what 106 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 6: I've been hearing called megri patrols here in Los Angeles. 107 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 6: There's also pretty heavy touch of this from San Diego. 108 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 6: One of the things that I thought was really really 109 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 6: interesting was in Los Angeles has been preparing for a 110 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 6: moment like this since the late sixties. Frankly, you know, 111 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 6: you have groups that have a pretty solid through line 112 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 6: since the mid sixties at the dawn of the Chicano movement, 113 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 6: and these are groups that already have experience with large 114 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 6: scale attainments. Not throughout the city like we were seeing 115 00:06:54,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 6: the last few weeks, but there's this really impressive level 116 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 6: of organization. Where I saw a detainment in Boyle Heights 117 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 6: of a gentleman who was accused of getting a police officer. 118 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 6: Within I think three minutes of them arriving. Not only 119 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 6: was there one or two people, but there was like 120 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 6: fifteen people already onseen. Boyle Heights is pretty singular in 121 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 6: its preparation. However, it was not uncommon. I mean in 122 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 6: MacArthur Park there was a detainment of a few people 123 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 6: who were walking down the street. I was maybe eight 124 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 6: minutes away when I heard about the raid. There was 125 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 6: already like ten people there, including a college professor, including 126 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 6: members of Union Del Borro and at Tennis Union. I 127 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 6: have a bit of a theory that I don't know 128 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 6: if Los Angeles was chosen because they wanted to prove 129 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 6: a point. And there is a part of me that 130 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 6: wonders seeing how quickly people are responding to these raids, 131 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 6: There's a part of me that wonders at that point 132 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 6: was even made. 133 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 3: I think the government's actions can be understood in like 134 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: owning the libs and like if your Facebook uncle got 135 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: to make government policy, it wouldn't look that different from this. 136 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: So I think that was certainly like the point early on, 137 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: and they'd have detained a lot of people in La Like, 138 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: but yeah, they're organizing. You have very entrenched work in 139 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: clouds communities, even going back way before the sixties, right, 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: like if we look at the zoot suit, right, if 141 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: we look at the Brassero program and the attempts to 142 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: expel people after that, Like if we look at United 143 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: farm Workers like across LA County, we have a long 144 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: history of organizing, so like it's a hard target for 145 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: them for sure. 146 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: And I think it's really interesting listening to YouTube talk 147 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: about this matches a lot of what I was hearing 148 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: about the way that it all kind of decentralized in 149 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: between sort of May and June. And the thing that 150 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: it reminds me of really interestingly is what was happening 151 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: to sort of other protest movements but reversed. You know, 152 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: if you look at like the Power Side encampments right 153 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: where it's okay you put a bunch of people in 154 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: one spot and then they all get crushed because the 155 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: police can bring overwhelming numbers, And it feels like the 156 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: raid response has almost been the reverse of that, where 157 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: ices had to adopt, at least in that period, had 158 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: to adopt the sort of hyper bulbile in and out 159 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: like rapid strike kind of thing like because they were 160 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: suddenly faced with a scenario where like if they tried 161 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: to like stay in mass in an area, it went 162 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: really badly for them. And that's absolutely fascinating to me. 163 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 6: One of the things that I think is interesting is 164 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 6: the first few days you saw a pretty heavy amount 165 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 6: of raids sort of in the central courrior near downtown 166 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 6: or you know, near East Hollywood things like that, and 167 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 6: those were extremely heavily protested. You know, there was a 168 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 6: protest sort of the first day of when the raids 169 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 6: really really started in the garment districts or in the 170 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 6: fashion district excuse me, within minutes there was like seventy 171 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 6: five people there and you know, they were shouting. You know, 172 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 6: they were there before all of the vehicles for federal 173 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 6: agents were actually there. That's the one where you know, 174 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 6: you saw quite a bit of new and folks who 175 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 6: arrive extremely quickly, you know. And one of the other 176 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 6: things that I think is really interesting about this organizing 177 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 6: is you're also seeing regular people who I don't know 178 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 6: if they normally would organize something where they're sort of 179 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 6: facing off with federal agents. You're starting to see them 180 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 6: mobilize in a way that I don't know if you 181 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 6: would normally see them. 182 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 5: You know. 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 6: One of the ladies that I spoke to as part 184 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 6: of the Rapid Response sort of network is a teacher, 185 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 6: and I talked to her and I was like, hey, like, 186 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 6: why do you do this? And she told me, She's like, 187 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 6: look like, I teach in a heavily immigrant community. My 188 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 6: job is to take care of these kids, and unfortunately, 189 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 6: now part of that is driving around the neighborhood and 190 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 6: looking for white vans filled with people wearing masks. 191 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: That's both incredibly moving and beautiful and also one of 192 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: the most hideous things I've ever heard in my entire life. 193 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: There were quite a few teachers at the SEIU rally 194 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: which was on the ninth of June, which was with 195 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: David Wuerta, the president of the SCIU, was detained, I 196 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: guess allegedly for obstructing federal agents are correctly. 197 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 198 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: I met a lot of people who were older who 199 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: I think were like solidly liberal in their politics, but 200 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: not particularly radical, And it was a really interesting combination 201 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: of these older people who were outraged and somewhat inexperienced 202 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: in street politics and younger people who were outraged and 203 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 3: somewhat inexperienced in street politics. Like it wasn't the same 204 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: crowd that you see the people who I'd seen in 205 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: twenty twenty when I covered stuff in La. Haven't really 206 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: covered much of the Palestine stuff in LA. But a 207 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: lot of the people who I interviewed in June were 208 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: citizen children of non citizen parents, and they felt like 209 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: an obligation on behalf of their community and their family 210 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: to show up, and like it was really moving to 211 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: see people who were clearly very afraid by the third 212 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: night of like unhinged state violence right like as Sean 213 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: was there too, but the amount of the les lethal's 214 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: that were just being discharged by the third night, like 215 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: the protest was split up and so was the policing. 216 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: Like there wasn't really ever a point where all the 217 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: protesters were able to get together because the police had 218 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: so many roads bucked off, and like you would just 219 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: turned down the street and they'd be firing leslithought you'd 220 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: turned down. 221 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 5: The street and there's tear gas. 222 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: You turned down the street and there's pepper balls, like 223 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: all over downtown LA. And these people were very afraid, 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: but they still kept coming out, And that was quite 225 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: like inspiring to me. 226 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, I think that's the situation that 227 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: we're in right where you know, the sort of the 228 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: fear and the horror has to is being forced to 229 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: give way to action because the only alternative to that 230 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: is just watching them take your family and take your 231 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: neighbors and taking the people you love and caraboll until 232 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: one day they take you and it doesn't have to 233 00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: get to there. 234 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you know what else is going to take you, 235 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: God specifically take money from your wallet. It's these incredible 236 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: products and services which we're lucky enough to be. 237 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 5: Able to share with our listeners. We are back. 238 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: I notably did not want to do an actual pivot there, but. 239 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 6: We're back, I think, you know, speaking on sort of 240 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 6: the climate of Los Angeles and at the same time 241 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 6: this sort of insistent joy that Los Angeles has. 242 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: There's a very famous. 243 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 6: Song most of your listeners may have heard it, Lachona, 244 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 6: which is basically just a song about a woman who 245 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 6: won't listen to her husband and gets drunk, and you 246 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 6: see it at every single protest in Los Angeles involving 247 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 6: immigrant rights. And one of the interesting things about it 248 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 6: is multiple times at the protests I would see this 249 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 6: beginning of dancing to La Chona, and then multiple times 250 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 6: it would be broken up. I think this was the thirteenth, 251 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 6: mid June, And eventually it got to a point where 252 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 6: I remember saying, you know, these protesters seem to really 253 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 6: want to listen to this song, and I have a 254 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 6: feeling it's going to end up being played in a 255 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 6: weird spot. What ended up happening is by the end 256 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 6: of it, I saw a bunch of people with like 257 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 6: these gnarly bruises all over their body, you know, welts 258 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 6: from less Lethal's fire, in the middle of the street, 259 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 6: dancing to La Schona. They finally got their chance and 260 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 6: you know, it's whenever the Dodgers win. This speaks to 261 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 6: sort of the specific culture of Los Angeles. I have 262 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 6: seen more fires and people dancing around them to that 263 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 6: song than any other song, including protest songs, throughout the 264 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: last five years. 265 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: But there's also you know, I live. 266 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 6: In Boyle Heights and one of the really interesting and 267 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 6: kind of horrific things is I had sort of been 268 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 6: queued up and trained to listen for the ice cream Man, 269 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 6: both the actual van and there's a guy that does Rospatos, 270 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 6: who just walks down the street honks a bicycle horn. 271 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 6: And I am an actual child, and every time I 272 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 6: heard that bicycle horn, just like I'm sick. It would 273 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 6: just like run out with a lot of cash and 274 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 6: by Rospatos. And for about a week, you didn't hear him. 275 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 6: You didn't a lot of businesses were closed. And then 276 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 6: after about a week he started to see younger people 277 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 6: that looked kind of like the guy that used to 278 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 6: do it, you know, usually the son or the daughter 279 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 6: sort of working for their parents. Now we're starting to 280 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 6: see you know a little bit of a more of 281 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 6: a return to regularity. But you know, one of the 282 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 6: things that was really interesting about all this organizing is 283 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 6: you know, you have unions, you also have like former 284 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 6: politicians and things like that. You know, I got an 285 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 6: email from a former city councilman with the subject line 286 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 6: that just said it is happening here, and I remember 287 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 6: thinking that's that's probably not good. 288 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not great talking of it is happening. I 289 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: think both the NML you were there, you went up 290 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: to Camerio right the raid on the cannabis grow operation 291 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: and subsequent stand up that was just a different scene 292 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 3: from like DTLA. Can you explain if people aren't familiar, 293 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: maybe very briefly explain the operation and the consequences. 294 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 7: So Sean and I just sat in federal court for 295 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 7: five hours prior to that in downtown LA, where federal 296 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 7: judge was listening to arguments being made in the hopes 297 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 7: of getting a temporary restraining owner on the grounds that 298 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 7: these roving patrols in Los Angeles were unconstitutional. And we 299 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 7: left court and you know, one of our sources who 300 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 7: was also there at the federal courthouse was talking about 301 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 7: how they had heard about this raid happening in cam 302 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 7: Mario and Carpenteria, two different cannabis grow houses, and by 303 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 7: the timing left, it had been happening for five hours 304 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 7: at that point, so they, under a warrant, had rated 305 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 7: both of these cannabis co operations, which are quite large. 306 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 7: We're talking hundreds of workers who work in these processing 307 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 7: centers and greenhouses and such. And local organizers, particularly organizers 308 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 7: with VC Defensa, which is in Ventura County, who has 309 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 7: been doing really successful organizing following ice vehicles wherever they 310 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 7: go to try and head off these roving patrols. 311 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: They've really thrown a wrench in things up there. 312 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 7: One of the organizers was following one of these border 313 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 7: patrol vehicles and watched as the border patrol vehicle drove 314 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 7: past the gates of a military base out there, and 315 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 7: then kind of got an idea that, Okay, something big 316 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 7: is happening. This is not normal, like this is not 317 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 7: usually what happens when we follow these cars. Usually they're 318 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 7: going into neighborhoods or things of that nature. And so 319 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 7: almost immediately these groups were organizing to try and see 320 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 7: where these cars armored vehicles were going, and they hit 321 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 7: two different locations. One of the locations the one in 322 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 7: came Rio, just outside of is kind of in the 323 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 7: middle of nowhere. It's flanked on all sides with farm fields. 324 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 7: You know, there's dirt highways and you know, two lane 325 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 7: highways that kind of bisect everything. And what they did 326 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 7: when they started this raid is they blocked off the 327 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 7: roads leading into and out of this particular greenhouse, right 328 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 7: and so they had checkpoints, like roadblocks, barricades at like 329 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 7: four or five different locations at these intersections around the greenhouse, 330 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 7: and at every single barricade there were people, so you know, 331 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 7: there were these sort of like face offs between heavily 332 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 7: militarized Border Patrol agents kitted out in the nines. You know, 333 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 7: everything that you could possibly think of. They had, you know, 334 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 7: these massive vehicles. National Guard helped them, you know, block 335 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 7: off these roads. The local police them block off these roads, 336 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 7: which you know, if you know about the sheriff in 337 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 7: Venta County, he's one of the only guys who doesn't 338 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 7: care about sanctuary state ordinances. So it was a standoff essentially, 339 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 7: And when Shawn and I arrived, it was right around dusk, 340 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 7: so you know, it had been many hours since these 341 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 7: raids began. And essentially what Border Patrol found is that 342 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 7: they couldn't leave because these roads were being blocked off. 343 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 7: They got some fans through, but the vast majority of 344 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 7: those vehicles were still there and they weren't prepared to 345 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 7: be there that long. They had to air drop supplies, water, 346 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 7: food in order to you know, shore up these folks, 347 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 7: and you know, as word got out of the sort 348 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 7: of community response to this event, more people showed up. 349 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 7: So by the time Shawn and I got there, we 350 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 7: were driving up lis Posas and suddenly there's cars just 351 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 7: parked on either side of the road, and we ended 352 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 7: up parking, I think like three quarters of a mile 353 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 7: away from the nearest blockade. 354 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: All have to hike in because. 355 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 7: There was no space for cars, you know, I mean, 356 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 7: we get up there and it's just about dusk and 357 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 7: you can hear the chanting in the distance, and you know, 358 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 7: it was a really horrible and also moving experience to 359 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 7: walk up on, you know, community response to this, and 360 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 7: you know, the standoff continued for another couple of hours, 361 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 7: but it was you know, half of the folks there 362 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 7: are concerned community members, folks of mixed status families who 363 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 7: understand the absolute terror of what happens when the government 364 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 7: is chasing after your dad, you know, and also individuals 365 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 7: who are looking for parents, uncles, you know, they had 366 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 7: no idea where their family members were. I think the 367 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 7: total number of people who were detained and are probably 368 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 7: going to be deported ended up somewhere around three hundred 369 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 7: and sixty one across two farms. Yeah, it's significant, really insane, 370 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 7: you know, and the standoff lasting for a couple extra 371 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 7: hours into the night. People turned on their car headlights 372 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 7: so that we had light out there. There was, you know, 373 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 7: a pretty solid group of individuals who were in communication 374 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 7: with other blockades, asking for folks to shift to other locations, 375 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 7: sharing supplies and water, you know, and then water patrols 376 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 7: started getting anty. You could see them playing with their guns, 377 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 7: you know, their riot munition's weapons. They were shifting, they 378 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 7: were forming and reforming, and you know, organizers kind of 379 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 7: understood that something was about to happen, so they backed off, 380 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 7: strategically retreated because there were marches planned for the next day. 381 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 7: They were leaving. I could see off in the distance. 382 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 7: It witnesses directly until we drove up on it, but 383 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 7: you could see off in the distance that all of 384 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 7: these cars, this line of cars was going around the 385 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 7: back end of the factory on a side road and 386 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 7: then ending up little bit farther down last Posos and 387 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 7: there was flashing lights everywhere. Turns out that they were 388 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 7: trying to make their getaway and they hit what I 389 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 7: think was probably a traffic jam because. 390 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Folks were ready to go. 391 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 7: They had packed up their cars and they were leaving 392 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 7: when they tear gassed everybody so they could make their getaway. 393 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: So, like Sean and I by the time we drove 394 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: up on. 395 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 7: It, because we saw in the distance it was like 396 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 7: that cloud is not normal, this is a dust. Like 397 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 7: that's tear gas. Let's get in the car and go 398 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 7: see what's going on. We drove up just as the 399 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 7: last canisters were being spent on the road and it 400 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 7: was just a fog, you know, and cars people were panicking. 401 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 7: You know, you get tear gas in your freaking car, man, 402 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 7: You know. It was pretty pretty intense. Not a great experience. 403 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw some videos from downtown LA on the 404 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: first day of protests, and as Sean was there covering it, 405 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: they had agents in gas masks in their vehicles and 406 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: they would tear gasing in front. And then that seems 407 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 3: to have been like their protocol, right, they will just 408 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 3: tear as the fuck out of the block and then 409 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 3: we'll wear our gas masks inside our vehicles and leave. 410 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: But I wanted to explain people I've seen this a 411 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 3: lot will be wondering why Border patrol with in Ventura, so, like, 412 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 3: just to clarify, or Oxnard or wherever they were at 413 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: the United States border isn't just a land border, like 414 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: the United States has four edges, just like well, there's 415 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: lots of edges, but you know, just like anything that's 416 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 3: a big square, right, the ocean is a border too, 417 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 3: and Border patrol has this somewhat arbitrary hundred mile enforcement 418 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: zone in which they operate. So when you see border 419 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 3: patrol operating a long way from a land border, that's 420 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: because they are still within one hundred miles of a border, 421 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 3: you know, to include the Great Lakes up north. Most 422 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: of the United States population lives inside a border patrol 423 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: enforcement zone, right. 424 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: So you know you won't see as many unless there 425 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 7: are warrants to be served. For example, in Omaha, Nebraska, 426 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 7: where there was a raid on a factory there that 427 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 7: was a warrant investigation. Generally speaking, Now, yeah, that's why 428 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 7: you see it in Boston, in Chicago, in Florida and 429 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 7: in most of California it lives, you know, withinside that border. 430 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 7: And so, you know, the thing that I can say 431 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 7: is that that next day when we went up and 432 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 7: spoke to organizers, kind of got the skinny on how 433 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 7: they were able to mobilize so quickly. As we were 434 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 7: leaving that march, you know, a federal judge issued a 435 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 7: temporary restraining order in Los Angeles County. Seven cities I 436 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 7: think that were a party to the suit. 437 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 6: It's not just Los Angeles County. It's the entire district 438 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 6: of the CBD, thank you. Yes, yeah, it was quite 439 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 6: a few cities filed suit as well as the ACLU 440 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 6: farm workers several individual plaintiffs, which blocks them essentially from 441 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 6: having a large scale rate with no warrant. So a 442 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 6: judge basically told them, hey, you have to have a 443 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 6: reason to be stopping entertaining people. 444 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 5: The judge. 445 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 6: I don't want to read too much into a judge's 446 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 6: personal thoughts, but it became pretty clear even when they 447 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 6: were having the hearing that the judge had pretty much 448 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 6: had her own concerns that I don't think we're even 449 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 6: in the filings. And it also bat is essentially the 450 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 6: basement in a federal building, which is where a significant 451 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 6: amount of the people are being held, and it forced 452 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 6: them to allow lawyers access as well as a lot 453 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 6: of them were essentially in these rooms that were like 454 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 6: fifty to sixty people and there was one phone in 455 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 6: the middle of it, so they were not getting private counsel. 456 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 6: And with the restraining order, which I believe ends time 457 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 6: next week, now they actually have to provide access to lawyers, 458 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 6: you know, basic constitutional stuff. 459 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 460 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 7: Man, let me tell you it was really, really bizarre 461 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 7: to sit in a federal hearing. Now. Look, I've read 462 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 7: transcripts from other reporters who listen in on these federal 463 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 7: immigration issue hearings that you've had over the last six months. 464 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 7: It is a whole other experience to be sitting in 465 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 7: a courtroom with your little notepad, listening to the government's 466 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 7: lawyers try and make the case that no, we're not 467 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 7: actually racially profiling people here, we are just stopping them 468 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 7: based on their appearance, facial expressions, what they're wearing, potentially 469 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 7: the language that they choose to speak. And all of 470 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 7: us sitting in the gallery are like, okay, you actually 471 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 7: made that argument in an open court. 472 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Cool you know. 473 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 7: What I mean, like absolutely insane to hear that come 474 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 7: out of a DOJ lawyer's mouth, where they're like, we 475 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 7: take umbrage with the fact that you're saying that we're 476 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 7: racial profiling. By the way, here's all the things that 477 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 7: we are doing, which is essentially profiling people. 478 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 5: You know. 479 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 7: So the tro is essentially just enforcing the Fourth Amendment, 480 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 7: which is saying, you know, you cannot conduct these roving 481 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 7: patrols and stop people without probable cause or weren't you 482 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 7: just can't do it, you know. And what that's done 483 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 7: is we have seen much less of the immigration enforcement 484 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 7: activity that was a feature of June and early July, 485 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 7: and it's kind of moving to the periphericly. I know 486 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 7: that there are things happening in San Diego, James, and 487 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 7: we've seen some potential reports out of Sacramento. We've seen 488 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 7: reports up north in San Francisco, you know, in terms 489 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 7: of the enforcement zone in California. We're also seeing ramping 490 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 7: up immigration activities in places like Chicago and other. 491 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: Cities Utah, for example. 492 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 7: And now in the last week and a half we've 493 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 7: seen half of the federalized National Guard be taken off 494 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 7: deployment and sent home and as of today, the twenty 495 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 7: first of July, they're sending home the Marines, you know, 496 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 7: which good right, But it's very clear that whatever they 497 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 7: were trying to accomplish in Los Angeles to make a 498 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 7: point to be a battering ram to set Los Angeles, 499 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 7: which is always kind of been known as the sanctuary 500 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 7: city and the surrounding area as like the example of 501 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 7: what immigration enforcement activity in this new era of Trump 502 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 7: two point zero what have you will look like? And 503 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 7: ultimately I don't think they were successful. I mean, you 504 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 7: look at the raid in MacArthur Park for example, or 505 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 7: it was meant to be this you know, big operation 506 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 7: essensibly to try and crack down on fake ID processing. 507 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 7: Sean can talk to more of the context around MacArthur 508 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 7: Park than I can. But they showed up and organizers 509 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 7: had already cleared the park. You know, we were there 510 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 7: for two and a half hours before they even showed up, 511 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 7: and we watched as organizers put up signs. They were 512 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 7: sitting at the home depot up the street making sure 513 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 7: the folks knew that there might be a raid today. 514 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 7: Like organizers had called through the entire park and said 515 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 7: this might happen today. If you're a mixed status or 516 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 7: you know, your status is not one with papers, you 517 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: might want to go home. You know, they cleared the 518 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 7: soccer fe which had forty five people playing soccer on it, 519 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 7: you know, and so by the time these armored vehicles 520 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 7: are running down the street and doing all of their theater, 521 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 7: there's no one there at all. You know, there's journalists, 522 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 7: there's us. You know, there's a couple of unhoused folks 523 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 7: who said, you know, screw that, I don't want to leave, 524 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 7: but the vast majority of people had already gone, and 525 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 7: so all that they got out of it was a 526 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 7: really shitty hype video and a mayor and a governor 527 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 7: who were like really really pissed off, and you know, 528 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 7: a city that's just not going to just roll over 529 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: and let this kind of crap happen, you know. And 530 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 7: I think that's really emblematic of like what's been going 531 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 7: on in Los Angeles for the last six weeks is 532 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 7: they did not get the response that they were expecting, 533 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 7: and they weren't prepared for that response and for the 534 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 7: you know, for that to be a continuous response to unconstitutional, oppressive, 535 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 7: violent actions by ICE and by the agencies that are 536 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 7: enabling ICE. 537 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I think when we say city, 538 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 3: we should like be clear that we're referring to like 539 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: the city kua like community, not city like as government entity. Right, Like, 540 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 3: there really hasn't been any certainly here in San Diego. 541 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: At San Diego Police Department technically don't assist ICE, but 542 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: they do show up to like form a cordon around them, right, 543 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: like to prevent any confrontation between them and protesters. And 544 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 3: we saw like every police agency, like literally every police 545 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: agency in La County and also Ventura County sheriffs were 546 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: there for the biggest protest days. The city hasn't used 547 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: its resources in that sense to stop this, right, They've 548 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: made rhetorical statements, but they haven't done anything with their police. 549 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this speaks to a kind of 550 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: larger thing, which is like these people thought they could 551 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: just come into cities around the country and just shocking 552 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: all everyone in ROLLI went over because like they think 553 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: they're the Nazis. But the thing about the Nazis is 554 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: that like people supported them, right, Like all the shit 555 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 2: the Nazis were able to do happened because people wanted it. 556 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: To happen, and in a country where people don't want 557 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: that shit to happen, where everyone looks at this and goes, 558 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? We're like, it's like 559 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: seventy nine percent support for like the effects of immigration 560 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: on the US right now, where everyone's looking at this 561 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: and just being like. 562 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 5: No, they can't do it. 563 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: There aren't enough of them. I don't know, Like it's 564 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: just so stunning to me watching them like have to 565 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: do the tactical adaptations that like normally like protest groups 566 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: have to do because the cops have tuned more resources 567 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: than them. But they're having to do it because they's 568 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: just like every single person walking down the street is 569 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: like fuck you eat shit, and so they're just like 570 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: outnumbered everywhere they go. It's and that's not to say 571 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 2: it's not like fucking horrible, because yeah, resisting fascism fucking 572 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: sucks a lot of the time and a lot of 573 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: people get hurt, and it's hideous, and also it's what 574 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: has to be done. The last thing that I wanted 575 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: to ask is, so, with the injunction kind of like 576 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: coming to an end soon, what do you think is 577 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: the future of sort of what ice is going to 578 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: be doing, and what the response is going to be, 579 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: and what border patrol are doing in this sort of 580 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: month to come. 581 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 5: It's hard to say. 582 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 6: One of the things that I'm curious about is we 583 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 6: won't really know what the federal government's plan is until 584 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 6: I think it's the We'll just say late July when 585 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 6: the next hearing is. So the temporar restraining order ends 586 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 6: in late July. Generally speaking, with temporary restraining orders on 587 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 6: law enforcement, what you see is they either continue while 588 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 6: the hearings commence, or you see a pretty large mountain 589 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 6: of evidence that says, hey, we did this, this, this, this, 590 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 6: and this. That's changed it. So we're now sort of 591 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 6: in cooperation with the order. That is likely one of 592 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 6: the reasons why we've seen fewer raids here. 593 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 5: In Los Angeles. 594 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 6: Ultimately, a temporary restraining order is I don't want to 595 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 6: call it a wilder extreme action at all, but those 596 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 6: are generally signed when a judge agrees that it is 597 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 6: extremely likely that, given the current situation, the plaintiffs have 598 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 6: a case. 599 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 5: So unless the federal. 600 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 6: Government comes by with like this gigantic mountain of new 601 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 6: training and all these new plans and things like that, 602 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 6: My guess is we'll probably see at least some of 603 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 6: the things in that temporary restraining order continue. I also 604 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 6: think it's possible if the federal government is just going 605 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 6: to say, you know what, this temporary restraining order only 606 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 6: applies to this specific area, We'll just go somewhere else. 607 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: It's the Central District of California, right, so like San Luis, Obispo, 608 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: Santa Barbara, Venture La, Riverside County as well. 609 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 5: I think yep, Riverside. 610 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't include San Diego, doesn't include the Northern District, 611 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: which is most of the rest coast of California, or 612 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: the Eastern District, which is to the Valley and further 613 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 3: northeastern California. So yeah, it's perfectly possible they could go 614 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: somewhere else and still do that shit within California. 615 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 2: Or like you say, like. 616 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: There are so many targets, right because immigrants are part 617 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: of the fabric of our society. They are everywhere, and 618 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 3: that's you know, they can just go for wherever they 619 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: think a soft target is. 620 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 7: And there's also work noting that you know, these organizers 621 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 7: are going to continue to organize, right, So these groups 622 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 7: Central Coso and Union of barrio, and you know the 623 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 7: various other groups. Again, I've been around for decades. VC 624 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 7: Defense that has been around since twenty sixteen. Right, this 625 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 7: is only a portion of the organizing that they do. 626 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 7: You know, they didn't start with or they will not 627 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 7: end with, just these patrols. Right. So they've built out 628 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 7: infrastructure and mutual aid group networks that are buying groceries 629 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 7: for folks and mixed status families that are covering the 630 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 7: sort of bills that are not being paid because people 631 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 7: are too afraid to go to work. They're doing wildcare, 632 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 7: they're getting kids to school, they're trying to provide legal defense. 633 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 7: You know, like these are you know, coalitions of individuals 634 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 7: who live in these areas who are doing long term 635 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 7: organizing to shore up the community whether or not there 636 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 7: is an onslaught of immigration enforcement activity in a certain 637 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 7: geographical area. 638 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: So in terms of organizing, it's just going to keep happening. 639 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 7: And that's good, right, And you know, I think that 640 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 7: what's hardening to see after the last you know, seven 641 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 7: weeks of really intense, really scary, really horrifying kidnappings and 642 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 7: detainments on the streets in southern California, is you know, 643 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 7: an equal and often more you know, stronger response to 644 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 7: it from the community that you know reminds you that 645 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 7: this is not the end and folks are prepared for 646 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 7: picking up the slack when things fall through. 647 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, people are not falling through the cracks. 648 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 7: People are not having their lives shattered without someone watching 649 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 7: and trying to help. So that's an important piece there, 650 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 7: you know. So I would say that in terms of 651 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 7: the response and what happens next, like it's a multi 652 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 7: front thing. You have these legal cases finding their way 653 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 7: through the courts, you have from all levels, right, and 654 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 7: you have individuals who are trying to keep track of 655 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 7: folks who have been detained and deported and sending money 656 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 7: back to Mexico or whatever, you know, other country that 657 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 7: these folks are being sent back to making sure that 658 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 7: things are as much as they can. You know, there 659 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 7: aren't any rips in the safety net. And I think 660 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 7: that's the main lesson of the last seven weeks is 661 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 7: like that sort of response is incredible and you can. 662 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: Replicate it anywhere that you are. 663 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 7: You know a lot of folks like to, you know, 664 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 7: kind of roll their eyes at the idea of like 665 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 7: organizing starts with talking to your neighbor. No, actually it does, right, 666 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 7: And you know there's these models, especially in southern and 667 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 7: central California, where this organizing works. 668 00:36:59,520 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: Right. 669 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 7: It's not particularly ideological in many ways, sometimes it is, 670 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 7: but the basic function of it is to make sure 671 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 7: that your neighbor doesn't fall into a hole, right, and 672 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 7: they'll do the same for you, so you don't fall 673 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 7: into a hole should something happen to you. So you know, 674 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 7: start there and take a look at these models that 675 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 7: these absolute fucking heroes pardon my language, are doing in 676 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 7: this area, and know that you can also do that. 677 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 2: So, yeah, these people in every facet of this are 678 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 2: just you somewhere else or help. 679 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 5: Maybe they are literally you. I don't know. 680 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: I keep up the good work, Suan. 681 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 3: Do you want to explain to us very briefly the 682 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 3: FBI arrests and the case against at least one of 683 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 3: the Centro CSO members. 684 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 6: Well, right now, there's only one criminal complaint, and that's 685 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 6: for Alejandro Oriana, who is accused of conspiracy to commit 686 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 6: to the disorder as well as hating and embedding a 687 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 6: conspiracy to commit civil disorder. The criminal complaint, all it 688 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 6: really says is that he gave a dispense with face 689 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 6: shields to protesters who were dressed like they might do 690 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 6: something bad. At no point during a criminal complaint does 691 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 6: it even say, hey, he handed it to a guy 692 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 6: and then that guy made. 693 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 5: It a crime. Doesn't even go that far. It just 694 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 5: goes those. 695 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 6: Guys look kind of I don't know, they look like 696 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 6: they're about to do something, and says that, you know, 697 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 6: these people were dressed in such a way where it 698 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 6: might interfere with law enforcement activities, like you know, it 699 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 6: would deaden the impact of left leeple weapons. 700 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the impact of leslie for weapons on 701 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 3: your face is potentially fatal. 702 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know beyond that, you know, there was 703 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 6: a search warrant for another member of Central CSO who 704 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 6: was roughly handled by FBI agents on a walk through 705 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 6: the park and was given a search warrant and her 706 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 6: phone was taken. I asked the US Attorney's office if 707 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 6: they were related, and first was sold I don't know 708 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 6: what you're talking about, which I thought was a little interesting. 709 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 6: Never gotten that response from any official, and then a 710 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 6: few hours later got an official response that said, no, 711 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 6: it is another case. So what that means, time will 712 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 6: tell but I think it's likely that there will be 713 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 6: more to come on top of that. 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