Speaker 1: Oh hey, everybody, another episode of the Daily Quarantine Cast
Speaker 1: that we're here where we're actually not together, we're apart.
Speaker 1: It's sad, but we're soldiering on. I gotta filled the
Speaker 1: engineer here with me and say, hey Phil, Hello, Um,
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear a lot of things to today's episode.
Speaker 1: Thanks for checking in for day number two of the
Speaker 1: Daily Quarantine Cast. We got Mark Kenyon to talk about
Speaker 1: soil health on the back forty, our plans for the
Speaker 1: back forty, for what we're gonna do with the show
Speaker 1: now that we can actually go to the property and
Speaker 1: and the core coronavirus has kind of screwed us on that.
Speaker 1: We talked about that with Mark. We talked about vasectomys.
Speaker 1: We talk about whether Phil wants to get one or
Speaker 1: not my my opinion. Stay tuned. That's a big, big
Speaker 1: deal and we're also going to get to most importantly
Speaker 1: the pot win a podcast contest from episode one. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big deal. You're gonna hear that today
Speaker 1: as well. The th h C Daily Quarantine Cash rolls
Speaker 1: on right now. Enjoy. H Hey everybody, Ben O'Brien, I'm
Speaker 1: talking uh, Episode two of the Daily THHD podcast. That's
Speaker 1: what you're listening to. And it's gonna be awkward for
Speaker 1: me for a while because I am in uh my
Speaker 1: child's nursery and I have on on the computer with me,
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, say hi, Mark Kenyon, Hi, Mark Kenyon, and
Speaker 1: fill the engineer. I am also here where we could
Speaker 1: see each other via camera devices attached to our computers,
Speaker 1: and we're speaking into separate microphones. But we're in three
Speaker 1: different rooms. Is that correct, boys? True? Uh huh. So
Speaker 1: this is gonna be super awkward, probably not a great podcast,
Speaker 1: but we have to do it because I already told
Speaker 1: you guys were gonna do a daily podcast, and so
Speaker 1: here we are. So Mark Kenyan has actually been I
Speaker 1: found out earlier today, living under quarantine for the last
Speaker 1: six years. Yeah, this is no this is no big
Speaker 1: deal for me, man. I'm used to it as a
Speaker 1: as a freelance outdoor podcasts or media guy. Right, or
Speaker 1: you basically just live in your house and leave it
Speaker 1: only to get food and probably water. Yeah, yeah, hunt
Speaker 1: shop and that's about it. But the living the safe lifestyle.
Speaker 1: For a long time, since the fall of two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: I've been working at home and my wife started working
Speaker 1: at home in two thousand fourteen, so we're experts at
Speaker 1: this whole lifestyle. You could say, oh, that's good, I'm glad,
Speaker 1: I'm happy. Could you just give a few people because
Speaker 1: so it's just so you know, yesterday we recorded uh
Speaker 1: episode one of the THHC Daily podcast Quarantine Cast. I've
Speaker 1: been calling it. Do you like that name? Phil? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's super creative quarantine Cast. It's it's a combination of
Speaker 1: the word podcast and quarantine. Yeah. I was trying to
Speaker 1: think a better option, like like casting team. But that's
Speaker 1: not good. No, that's terrible. Um. Okay, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: go with that good self awareness Phil. He's got to
Speaker 1: have it around me. He can't not have it. Um.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do a bunch of things. But yesterday
Speaker 1: I was in the actual mediator studio and the Mediator
Speaker 1: offices and um, they kicked us out. So now we
Speaker 1: can't go in. We're we're quarantined from going into the office.
Speaker 1: So now we're or on some fancy pants uh computers
Speaker 1: thing called squad cast. H they're not a sponsor, but
Speaker 1: we shut him out anyway, because it's amazing that we
Speaker 1: have this technology, right Mark Kenyon. It's tremendous. It really
Speaker 1: is tremendous, tremendous. But like I tell you, I've been
Speaker 1: you know, so back what we were just talking about
Speaker 1: a second ago. I've been doing these virtual podcasts for
Speaker 1: three thirty nine episodes so far, and they're not that awkward.
Speaker 1: So you'll you'll be fine, You'll get through it. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what to do with social cues.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with my hands. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't have any pants pants. That's exactly what I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask. The question is do you have pants?
Speaker 1: Because I went through a huge paradigm shift when I
Speaker 1: went from pants lest podcasts to with pants podcasts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where to put the microphone.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether we're pants and then maybe eventually underwear.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's gonna be a challenge. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm concerned both for the quality of the show and
Speaker 1: then just my own mental state. Um, do you have
Speaker 1: any tips? Can you just go through the tips and
Speaker 1: tricks that somebody might use to get through this time
Speaker 1: since you've been basically living this exact experience for better
Speaker 1: part of six years. Yeah, you know, in all seriousness,
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing that I did that helped my
Speaker 1: just effectiveness from a work from home standpoint was when
Speaker 1: I shifted from approaching it is like a novelty thing
Speaker 1: too with an approaching like oh no, you're still working.
Speaker 1: So when I first started doing this, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll just wake up whenever I wake up, and I'll
Speaker 1: work when I want. Hey, if I want to take
Speaker 1: a two hour lunch break and watch Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll do that. Um. So that was back
Speaker 1: in two thirteen when I first went full time on
Speaker 1: my own. That doesn't work real well. So what I
Speaker 1: started doing is pretending like I still have to go
Speaker 1: into an office and do all those things. So I
Speaker 1: have like a morning routine. I get up early at
Speaker 1: the time I want to wake up. I do a workout,
Speaker 1: I shower, I eat breakfast. I put on real person clothes.
Speaker 1: Just putting on real clothes makes a huge difference. Um,
Speaker 1: pajama working from home is at least ten less productive
Speaker 1: than regular clothing work from home. So do that. That's uh,
Speaker 1: That's helped me a lot. And then you know, schedule
Speaker 1: as if you really you know, you can take some flexibility,
Speaker 1: but schedule your day still as if you were in
Speaker 1: an office. That helps me. I have a calendar, I
Speaker 1: have it locked down. My wife knows that when it's
Speaker 1: regular working hours, I'm going to be doing stuff. Um
Speaker 1: at least, putting those structures in place, I think helps
Speaker 1: you avoid the many ah oh temptations. Right, there's temptations
Speaker 1: when you're working at home that you just wouldn't otherwise have.
Speaker 1: But I will also tell you that working from home,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a lot less distractions compared
Speaker 1: to some offices too. Like when I come into the
Speaker 1: mediator office, I always wonder, like, how do you guys
Speaker 1: get anything done because you're constantly talking and stuff. I
Speaker 1: just sit in my office all by myself all day,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty darn good, I guess when I don't
Speaker 1: have anyone to chat with. So definitely, you've definitely been
Speaker 1: living the quarantine life, Like how do you get things
Speaker 1: done when you've been talking and interacting with other actual
Speaker 1: humans that have different life experiences than you. What a
Speaker 1: weird experience, very weird. That's not too bad. So you
Speaker 1: told me you're gonna on your social media. You're gonna
Speaker 1: share some tricks and tips for being alone. Um, because
Speaker 1: you're an expert, an expert on being alone. Yes, that is.
Speaker 1: My wife and I are hermits by nature, so this
Speaker 1: fits right into our whole grand plan. Good all right, Well,
Speaker 1: before we get going, Phil, can you give us just
Speaker 1: your feelings about the quarantine and what are your emotions.
Speaker 1: People are going to be looking to you, filthy engineer,
Speaker 1: to to to really lead them emotionally, mentally, maybe even
Speaker 1: physically eventually to Uh that's just that's just poor decision making.
Speaker 1: Well that's it's not their fault. You have reached an
Speaker 1: into their hearts and minds and captivated them. So could
Speaker 1: you please just kind of give everybody a pep talk? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say that, Um, you know I
Speaker 1: I love my children. Let me just start off by
Speaker 1: saying that beautiful novel. Um, you know, loving change my
Speaker 1: life in so many positive ways. I've just been kind
Speaker 1: of imagining this quarantine though. Um. Uh, if I if
Speaker 1: I didn't have children and all the man all the TV,
Speaker 1: I'd be watching all the all the movies and games
Speaker 1: I'd be playing. Uh, quarantining with with with children is
Speaker 1: a completely different experience. My kid. Uh. The Governor Steve
Speaker 1: Bullock of Montana just just canceled school for two weeks. Um. Um.
Speaker 1: I think feel like it's only a matter of time
Speaker 1: before my my youngest daycare gets canceled as well. So uh,
Speaker 1: you know when when when when you're hunkered down with
Speaker 1: your family, um for multiple days, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's an experience. It definitely shows you what you're made
Speaker 1: out of. Um. And you know, I'll check back within
Speaker 1: these daily podcasts to let you know how I'm doing,
Speaker 1: how I'm I'm holding up, and I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: will too. Yeah. No, it's good. I mean, there's it's
Speaker 1: I like to joke. It's hard for me to be
Speaker 1: serious sometimes. But this is a weird, a weird time.
Speaker 1: We I just went out to we went into the
Speaker 1: office to gather our things, um for the last time
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I took my family out
Speaker 1: to eat to breakfast and it was awkward. People I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be near each other. People didn't like
Speaker 1: it's people were looking or had It's almost like they
Speaker 1: had a measuring tape for six ft. You know, social
Speaker 1: distancing being what it is. And so it's just it's
Speaker 1: just it. After all this is over, I imagine that
Speaker 1: we will look at our daily lives, the things in
Speaker 1: our lives that probably we took for granted, right sitting
Speaker 1: in traffic, or going to work and being annoyed by
Speaker 1: the guy that's sitting next to you, or or thanks
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan has no idea about, uh go standing in
Speaker 1: line for coffee without having to worry about who's around
Speaker 1: you or how close to you they are. Um, all
Speaker 1: those little things. I hope that we can go through
Speaker 1: this time, do what we gotta do to get around
Speaker 1: and above this pandemic, and then go back to to real,
Speaker 1: real normal life, but then be able to look back
Speaker 1: at this and say, man, I appreciate the little things
Speaker 1: going to the grocery store and feeling calm or you
Speaker 1: know anything. Folks in New York City can't even go
Speaker 1: out to a restaurant or a bar at this point.
Speaker 1: Um are closed today fifteen minutes ago for the rest
Speaker 1: of however long. Yeah, here in Michigan. So it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna be okay. As as somebody told me
Speaker 1: earlier to day via text, Um, you know, we're being
Speaker 1: called on to sit on our couches and we can
Speaker 1: all do that, but there's also people that work hourly,
Speaker 1: there's people that have jobs that um have international distribution channels.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that this affects. And UM, you know,
Speaker 1: my heart goes out of everybody that whose lives this
Speaker 1: is either made very very hard or completely um destroyed
Speaker 1: or thrown out there for however long this lasts. So
Speaker 1: hopefully you can come out to THHC on a daily
Speaker 1: basis and get some good hunting stories and some randomness
Speaker 1: and and um escape from it just for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And that's that's all we can really offer at this
Speaker 1: this point. And if I got to do it from
Speaker 1: my kids nursery, which is where I'm at right now,
Speaker 1: that's what I'll do. And Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: that perspective is super important, that like we're all lucky
Speaker 1: enough to be able to be able to do this
Speaker 1: when they're Yeah, just like you said, there's so many
Speaker 1: service industry workers and that you know, are ey're gonna
Speaker 1: lose their jobs or just have an incredible amount of
Speaker 1: uncertainty over the next few months. Uh, And I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine what's what that's like. So you know, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so well, yeah, I just personally, I just appreciate it
Speaker 1: everyone who's still out there grinding and making a living
Speaker 1: and just trying their best. So we're gonna do some
Speaker 1: crazy things this week and next week for you. UM.
Speaker 1: One of them, I've decided, Mark, I want to get
Speaker 1: your opinion do this. I've decided to do a contest
Speaker 1: because folks that know lately I've really got addicted to contests.
Speaker 1: I might need help. Are you addicted to trying to
Speaker 1: get people partaking your contests? I think that's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: But are you also participating in other people's contests? No? No,
Speaker 1: just my contests? But I would, I could, I could.
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to giving things away. I just want to
Speaker 1: give everything I see. I'm like, I'll give it away.
Speaker 1: I give you, give it away to everybody. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to. It feels so good. Um, but we
Speaker 1: have to do we have to go over one the
Speaker 1: last give away from our episode one hundred. I wanted
Speaker 1: to do it in a different way than what we're
Speaker 1: doing now. But Um, from episode one hundred, we did
Speaker 1: four giveaways. This is our last one. We have to announce.
Speaker 1: But before that, I have an idea, mark and I
Speaker 1: want to see you have a child, you like to
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys. I want to see your thoughts whether this
Speaker 1: is a good idea. I thought that I we would
Speaker 1: do a hand draw if you look at the screen
Speaker 1: there or hand drawn turkey contest. You know how you
Speaker 1: draw a turkey with your hand? Trace your hand? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do that all time. Yeah. I thought we would
Speaker 1: have everybody do one. And then however you make it
Speaker 1: whatever the background is, you decorate the turkey, give it
Speaker 1: a personality, to give it a name. Uh, draw the background.
Speaker 1: So anybody can participate in this, children, adults, young adults,
Speaker 1: young children, it doesn't matter. Get a hand and a pencil.
Speaker 1: You're good to go. Um and that will get as
Speaker 1: many people to draw that and the most creative one
Speaker 1: wins some awesome prize. You feel like that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: I like it. I got a friend who was missing
Speaker 1: one of his fingers, though, so will he be penalized
Speaker 1: in any kind of way if he draws like a
Speaker 1: gimpy fanless turkey or anything like that. No, let me
Speaker 1: tell you when. Well, here's a story that will help
Speaker 1: that out. When I was a kid, I was in
Speaker 1: like the third grade, we had a contest to draw
Speaker 1: draw a constellation of our own. Right, they give you
Speaker 1: a piece of paper with a bunch of dots it
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be stars, And my dad got
Speaker 1: ahold of that, and we then you had to write
Speaker 1: a story about what that constellation meant. So I got
Speaker 1: this hold of this constellation. I started drawing a beaver
Speaker 1: on this constantly had a tail the whole beaver body.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have enough stars to draw through four
Speaker 1: legs on the beaver. I can only draw one leg
Speaker 1: with the amount of stars that I had. So my
Speaker 1: dad and I wrote a story called you Know the
Speaker 1: One Legged Beaver to go along with this constellation. The
Speaker 1: story was that that the you know the beaver was
Speaker 1: swimming out in a lake and it got really cold.
Speaker 1: A blizzard came in and got really cold. Three of
Speaker 1: his legs were frozen in the ice and he had
Speaker 1: to chew off those three legs to survive and then
Speaker 1: swim back to shore with just the one leg. Um.
Speaker 1: So for yeah, unbelievable tale. So for your for your buddy,
Speaker 1: that's her. He can have as many feathers as he
Speaker 1: has fingers. It's all about how you make what you
Speaker 1: make what you can from the circumstances you're given. So
Speaker 1: I'm putting out there we'll talk more about that contest
Speaker 1: coming up. What do you I'll I'm gonna figure out
Speaker 1: something out really cool, hopefully some first light gear. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, I haven't talked the first Light about this,
Speaker 1: so this was They're gonna be probably mad at me,
Speaker 1: but hey, it's quarantine time. We tell here what's new.
Speaker 1: We take? Uh, we take a first light jacket, a
Speaker 1: first light puffy jacket or or whatever say it, say
Speaker 1: it Brooks down or um, any kind of any kind
Speaker 1: of jacket that you would normally wear, and and on
Speaker 1: the back, you know how, say like sliced alone in
Speaker 1: the in the first Rocky movie he had those like
Speaker 1: Italian leather jackets with a big tiger on the back.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking we would take the turkey drawling and have
Speaker 1: it have its screen printed on the back, a really
Speaker 1: big like that tiger. No better way to increase value
Speaker 1: than a really nice Brooks jacket than screen printed turkey
Speaker 1: on the back. Huh. I mean, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know why you wouldn't do that. Who wouldn't want that?
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to do that. I that's how I feel. So
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want an audience of
Speaker 1: one here, uh where you tell me what you think
Speaker 1: about this idea. Yeah, I give you two thumbs up.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. My son will submit a turkey drone.
Speaker 1: Oh alright, I like it, all right, and if I win,
Speaker 1: damn it. I want the screen printed turkey on my jacket.
Speaker 1: I Like I said, I have no way of knowing
Speaker 1: or the first Now you've committed, there's a verbal contract
Speaker 1: out there, so anyway, check back later to see if
Speaker 1: I still have a job, and maybe you'll get a
Speaker 1: turkey jacket. There's no way to know. And uh that
Speaker 1: would be rest in peace to you know the one
Speaker 1: that could be Everre. Uh he fought hard, but he
Speaker 1: fought hard. So Phil, you's still there, Phil? Yeah, I'm here, Phil.
Speaker 1: We gotta go over we. Mark probably doesn't even know
Speaker 1: this because he's too busy to listen to THHD on
Speaker 1: a weekly basis. How by the way, it's amazing you
Speaker 1: get that. You get a fill and I don't have
Speaker 1: anyone been podcast. I kind of just took Phil like
Speaker 1: nobody gave him to me. I have just over time
Speaker 1: done things to kind of lay claim to him. Also
Speaker 1: been very nice to him to keep him around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could have been. It could have been a lot worse. There.
Speaker 1: It sounds like my wife's it's our anniversary today, actually
Speaker 1: been congrats, it's it's our six wedding anniversary for my
Speaker 1: wife today. So uh, I love you girl. I know
Speaker 1: you don't listen to my podcasts either, but I love
Speaker 1: you anyway. It's okay, So we gotta before we get
Speaker 1: to our our hunting story, we got to talk about
Speaker 1: uh the win a podcast giveaway from episode one. Now, Mark,
Speaker 1: we what we did was we had four different giveaways
Speaker 1: to celebrate our hundreds episode so we could have fun
Speaker 1: with our listeners. And this this idea was to give
Speaker 1: away my old podcast gear, my zoom record or all
Speaker 1: my audio checting, your headsets, all the things you need
Speaker 1: to have your own portable podcast kit, as well as
Speaker 1: have me as your first guest on your new podcast
Speaker 1: and have Phil and I give you a consultation on
Speaker 1: how to get started programs. You need cool of things.
Speaker 1: So away for someone to have a leg up, as
Speaker 1: it were, to start their own podcasts still got to
Speaker 1: do the work, but we were willing to help him out.
Speaker 1: Um and and all we asked was that they write
Speaker 1: a hundred words to th HC at the Mediator dot
Speaker 1: com and they told us why what the podcast wasn't
Speaker 1: why they would want to do it uh And we
Speaker 1: got hundreds of submissions I think upwards of four hundred
Speaker 1: submissions of what UH podcast people wanted to do. So
Speaker 1: I was happy with that. Joe Ferronado, who was also
Speaker 1: quarantined at his home right now, UM and I sat
Speaker 1: last Friday and and read almost every single one of them,
Speaker 1: and we came down to a top three. Um and
Speaker 1: so we're gonna have and and Mark, I'd like to
Speaker 1: get your vote on these one I read them, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the top three right now. And that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go on then at
Speaker 1: beny would be three or one on my Instagram account
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put a poll up for people to
Speaker 1: vote on the best podcast idea. So you guys gotta
Speaker 1: listen up. Does that all make sense? Mark? Makes sense?
Speaker 1: Sounds cool? So I'm gonna read the three um here
Speaker 1: to you, and I want to get your reaction and
Speaker 1: Phil's reaction to each one of them, all right, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go you guys, you guys good with that? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you're good with it. I knew you would be all
Speaker 1: right for the first one, the first finalist, Phil, will
Speaker 1: you be able to put drum rolls in here? Of course? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Put a drum roll right now? All right here, here
Speaker 1: we go. One out of eight drum rolls. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be that they're gonna be in this episode. Mark doesn't
Speaker 1: know when I for a drum roll, and I keep
Speaker 1: talking and I need another drum roll. And then I
Speaker 1: keep talking and I need another drum roll. I'm not
Speaker 1: good with executing the drum roll. Uh. Finality is that anyway? Uh?
Speaker 1: Ian Russell, Kamara and Ryan Russell wrote in with this one,
Speaker 1: we are the Russell Brothers and our proposed podcast. The
Speaker 1: Whole Animal focuses on new and interesting ways the harvest
Speaker 1: resources from game animals that most most people simply throw
Speaker 1: away with the help of guest chefs, hunters, and artists.
Speaker 1: Each season focuses on a single animal, and each episode
Speaker 1: explores novel ways to engage with a part of that
Speaker 1: animal that hunters typically discard from utilitarian to down ray silly.
Speaker 1: The Whole Animal Podcast is a show like no other.
Speaker 1: Learn how to make dear spine, putter's turkey feet, poker chips,
Speaker 1: and duck blood soup, and a podcast coming to your
Speaker 1: feed soon. The Whole Animal Podcast by the Russell Bros. Phil,
Speaker 1: What do you think about that one? That one is
Speaker 1: a great idea of the just coming from a non
Speaker 1: hunter's perspective, though, I'm wondering what you guys think about
Speaker 1: the the longitivity of something like that, Like how how
Speaker 1: deep could they go? How many animals could they cover?
Speaker 1: How many parts could they dive into? Yeah, I mean sudden,
Speaker 1: you could do every every game animal you can think of,
Speaker 1: you can do. I mean, I'd like to hear a dove,
Speaker 1: or I'd like to hear a I mean, obviously a
Speaker 1: wild turkey. But there's got there's a million things. I
Speaker 1: like the way they broke it down, like you have
Speaker 1: a season and then you have an animal. You take
Speaker 1: an animal and you break it into episodes, break it
Speaker 1: into parts. It's it kind of has a nice little
Speaker 1: ring to it that way. Mark, It's a very cool idea.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if, like the novelty of it would
Speaker 1: wear off at some point. And this is me being
Speaker 1: overly critical, so overly critical saying that. But at first
Speaker 1: of great idea. Um, but yeah, I wonder if I
Speaker 1: don't know, it would be a little bit hard to
Speaker 1: execute on making every one of those fascinating. When could
Speaker 1: I listen to number eight of how to use a
Speaker 1: duck and we're getting down to like using a duck
Speaker 1: foot for a bookmark or something. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm might tire of that at some point, but maybe not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But that's that's why
Speaker 1: we're here. I think that's one of the best ideas
Speaker 1: we've got because I think if done correctly, If done correctly,
Speaker 1: it could be could have a lot of longevity. And
Speaker 1: if you did seasons, if you just kind of did
Speaker 1: one every once in a while, um, and it can
Speaker 1: be an encyclopedia of knowledge for for each annel to
Speaker 1: which I think makes it evergreen, which makes it great.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Number two. We will
Speaker 1: all vote on this. It's not gonna meet anything, but
Speaker 1: it at least give people what we think. Number two.
Speaker 1: This comes from Liz Krieger. She says, picture this, Remember
Speaker 1: the hunting community that has often misunderstood and misrepresented. Someone
Speaker 1: passionate about the hunting, conservation, hunting community, conservation and family,
Speaker 1: navigating how to juggle home life, competitive work environment, and
Speaker 1: for filling this insatiable need to pursue their own food
Speaker 1: and pull their own weight out of doors. My name
Speaker 1: is Liz Krieger. I live in north central p A.
Speaker 1: I am a mother, wife, wildlife biologists, hunter and conservationist
Speaker 1: who's trying to keep a sense of humor while navigating
Speaker 1: a changing conservation climate. Interesting. I'm interested in discussing habitat management,
Speaker 1: honey strategies, and home life from the lens of a
Speaker 1: female millennial. That's Liz Kreeger. When you think about that,
Speaker 1: Mark Kennon, straight off the bat, we don't need another
Speaker 1: millennial out there ruining the world. So you and me
Speaker 1: are not kidding. I know, Phil. I I found that
Speaker 1: the other day. Phil is only twenty nine years old?
Speaker 1: Is right in the right, Phil, Yeah, that's right. I
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. You did not know that, so
Speaker 1: I assumed you're in your forties. I've seen so many
Speaker 1: people illustrate your your face that I've just I there's
Speaker 1: no concept of how old you are anymore. Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's good to know that you've seen so many
Speaker 1: illustrations of me that you have complete face blindness about
Speaker 1: over my my real face. Yeah, I pictured just that
Speaker 1: illustration of that dude Hice and the cope. Yeah, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I see. He does seem more mature than us, Ben,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah. Yeah, his like his children seem well behaved. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Mine is a wild man. Al Right,
Speaker 1: So that's number two. There's that's one and two. Other
Speaker 1: than other than the whole millennial thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great idea. Yeah, I think I think that could
Speaker 1: be a podcast that could be very very important to
Speaker 1: a to a small group of hunters. All Right, it's
Speaker 1: a great perspective to share. Well done, Liz. Uh. This
Speaker 1: one is from Trey. I'm gonna say his last name
Speaker 1: is pronounced Paku because it's p i c o u
Speaker 1: phil p i c o u. H. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: that's close enough. Paco. Probably we'll go with pa alright.
Speaker 1: Pequ He's a PhD. Trey Pecu is a PhD research scientist.
Speaker 1: He says this. He says a lot of things, but
Speaker 1: this is his his pitch. I would like to do
Speaker 1: a podcast about the science of hunting slash the science
Speaker 1: of hunting related topics. I would interview physicists, biologists, chemists,
Speaker 1: and whatever other aspects are necessary for the listener to
Speaker 1: understand the hardcore science about the topic at hand. What
Speaker 1: do I mean by this? An example of a topic
Speaker 1: I'd like to explore is camouflage. This will probably be
Speaker 1: a multi episode series. It will start out with the
Speaker 1: science behind site, such as it works, the physics and biology,
Speaker 1: and how it evolved pray and predator. Then it would
Speaker 1: progress to what wavelengths and patterns game species and predators,
Speaker 1: see how camouflage works in the natural world, and how
Speaker 1: it could be applied for the hunter. Lastly, I would
Speaker 1: talk to leaders in the hunting and military camouflage industry
Speaker 1: to see how they apply and if they apply real
Speaker 1: science when designing their patterns. Basically, the science the scientists
Speaker 1: in me wants to dive deep into the science behind
Speaker 1: all sorts of hunting related concepts that people usually just
Speaker 1: gloss over hand, wave away, or try to explain using
Speaker 1: catching sounding buzzwords, which I do a lot. Uh me
Speaker 1: Ben o Bran anyway, that's my pitch. I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 1: Sure Ku, So Phil the Engineer, what do you think, Buddy?
Speaker 1: I like that one a lot, coming more from from
Speaker 1: a non Hunters point of view. Um, I think that
Speaker 1: one has like like the first one, I'm not sure about.
Speaker 1: I think this one sounds like it could last for
Speaker 1: as long as they wanted it to and uh cover
Speaker 1: an infinite amount of topics. I think I think this
Speaker 1: is a great one. Mark Kenyon, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: second that this one is my favorite. I like, I'm
Speaker 1: personally fascinated with scientific looking at things from scientific lens.
Speaker 1: Three scientific lens in this would like, like Phil said,
Speaker 1: there's longevity here. It's a unique angle, but not too
Speaker 1: much of a stick um or too gimmicky. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. I do like it too. I like
Speaker 1: all three of these. Um, I would say, after you know,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Mark. I don't know if you've ever kind
Speaker 1: of delve in anything like this, but you know, for
Speaker 1: the amount of people that listen to some of our show,
Speaker 1: for to sit down and read hundreds of people kind
Speaker 1: of pitching why they want to be a podcaster or
Speaker 1: why they want to do something, you get to learn
Speaker 1: a little bit about everyone, what they want to hear,
Speaker 1: what they want to say, kind of what their dreams are,
Speaker 1: what you know, what they've been thinking about, stewing on
Speaker 1: what they think they might be able to do. And
Speaker 1: and I felt like I learned a lot about um
Speaker 1: our our community, the people that listen to this show.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that people are listen to your show
Speaker 1: and the Medior podcast and Remy Warren's show and Steve
Speaker 1: Show like all that stuff. So I felt like I
Speaker 1: learned a lot about everyone um and to that to
Speaker 1: that end, I would say about a third of the
Speaker 1: people that wrote in wanted to do a podcast from
Speaker 1: the perspective of a non hunter UM or from a
Speaker 1: new hunter, let's say, like adult onset type of approach.
Speaker 1: And so I learned that, you know, old Fill the
Speaker 1: engineer here. However, we can get them out in the
Speaker 1: woods in the next little bit of time. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good thing for everybody. Not only do well,
Speaker 1: I'll be able to mess with Phil out in the
Speaker 1: out of doors, but um people would get to hear
Speaker 1: what he goes through from trying to find a hunter
Speaker 1: safety course to to taking one to going out and hunting,
Speaker 1: to get your license, to learn about firearms and archery,
Speaker 1: a tackle, and then just all the all the other
Speaker 1: conundrums that come up. So um, that was one thing
Speaker 1: I learned. The other thing I learned is like, if
Speaker 1: you really want to have a podcast out there, go
Speaker 1: and do it. Like the worst thing is is not
Speaker 1: is not trying. Um, if you fail, you fail. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah man. And I started my podcast with less than
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars of equipment, and I essentially I'm still
Speaker 1: using I've I've bought stuff and upgraded it and then
Speaker 1: went back to my original setup. I am using in
Speaker 1: eighty dollar microphone on my computer to do a podcast.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, as you know, it reaches a lot
Speaker 1: of people for no money. I mean it it's you
Speaker 1: do not do not feel like money or something special
Speaker 1: about you is keeping you from being will do a podcast?
Speaker 1: Anyone can do it. Come to it with a good
Speaker 1: idea and some stick tutiveness, and uh do the kind
Speaker 1: of things like you're doing Ben, connecting and engaging with
Speaker 1: an audience, and you can you can really do some
Speaker 1: cool stuff with it. Yeah, and what a great time,
Speaker 1: As it turns out, what a great time to start
Speaker 1: a podcast. I feel like the coronavirus, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a time where a lot of babies are conceived.
Speaker 1: Just saying, guys, yeah, just saying, watch out, Phil, just
Speaker 1: watch out. You guys have talked about vasecton used on
Speaker 1: this podcast, No, we probably should. That's something that is
Speaker 1: a very it's a very hot topic in my householder.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I mean, I'm the one doing the pressuring
Speaker 1: around here. I'm like, let's cut that thing off. Like
Speaker 1: my wife's my wife's wanted. I'm squeamish. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want more kids. But I also
Speaker 1: just do not like the idea of you know, sy
Speaker 1: so I I I love it. I'm gonna tell the
Speaker 1: doctor don't put me under. If there's anything that you
Speaker 1: can actually make you feel the feel the pain even more,
Speaker 1: I want that drug. That's that's Phil for you. Phil
Speaker 1: is the massacrest. I'm cutting my open doc speechless. Phil
Speaker 1: speak going to be a good backcountry hunter man like
Speaker 1: proud can't wait. Uh No, I'm not. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it, but my wife wants a third child,
Speaker 1: um kind of which I can't In the throes of
Speaker 1: a brand new child. I can't even fathom it. I can't.
Speaker 1: I refuse to even to entertain the idea. Yeah, the popular,
Speaker 1: the popular saying being like, oh, it goes from man
Speaker 1: to man defense to zone defense. That's absolutely true. Man
Speaker 1: to man defense is a big time advantage for the
Speaker 1: for the defense. And it's still hard though, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very hard. And so anyway, I don't really I'm getting
Speaker 1: nervous and I got already got anxiety about the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this anymore. Mark, get
Speaker 1: bastard for bringing Actually this, this, this is a great
Speaker 1: podcast idea. We all, all three of us get vasectomies. Now,
Speaker 1: that would be a show, that would be that would
Speaker 1: be a show like we called the ice the Ice
Speaker 1: Pack Hour with Ben Mark. And you know what's funny
Speaker 1: is it the most popular time of year to get
Speaker 1: a vasectomy is right now because most people, yeah, the
Speaker 1: time for marsh Madness and this year. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: how shitty it must be to be the guys that
Speaker 1: scheduled their vasectomies right now? And then marsh Madness gets canceled, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I gotta watch Netflix. Oh no, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm scared of that. Anyway, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta pick mark of those three podcast ideas, what is
Speaker 1: your favorite and what would you pick if you were voting.
Speaker 1: I think they're great all three, but I vote for
Speaker 1: the science podcast. Okay, that's Trey pu Pecao takes the lead.
Speaker 1: Philip uh second, I second that motion the Cow. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to say. I want to say
Speaker 1: the Whole Animal because I have this idea that would
Speaker 1: be fantastic and I imagine like two brothers going at
Speaker 1: it if they have the expertise, would be a good
Speaker 1: be a good thing. So I'm gonna go with the
Speaker 1: Whole Animal podcast for my boat. Um, I just want
Speaker 1: to I want to think these brothers can really get
Speaker 1: it done. Do you have any worries Ben that whoever
Speaker 1: gets your podcasting equipment with this idea launches a show
Speaker 1: and it's so wildly successful that supplants you in the
Speaker 1: Mediator podcast network and Phil goes and works for the
Speaker 1: Whole Animal instead of working for Yeah, I I uh,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm picking. I'm not picking my favorite because
Speaker 1: I'd like to keep job security. No, I am totally
Speaker 1: secure with my with th HD. Okay, okay, Mark, I'm
Speaker 1: the totally secure. So thank you everyone for writing in.
Speaker 1: Good luck to Trey, Liz, and Ian and Ryan. I
Speaker 1: just want to say, like Mark kind of brought this
Speaker 1: up earlier. Uh, if you don't win this, and even
Speaker 1: to the hundreds of people who wrote in and didn't
Speaker 1: make it to the top three, it is that is.
Speaker 1: It has never been cheaper to do something like this,
Speaker 1: never been easier. There's never been more resources online to
Speaker 1: get you started. So if you have an idea and
Speaker 1: you think that you wanna, you know, get some free time,
Speaker 1: and you're passionate about it, just do it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. Go out and do it, man.
Speaker 1: That's what why podcast is so beautiful that like people,
Speaker 1: it's it's really a democratic medium. Man. You can hop
Speaker 1: onto iTunes for free and listen for free. You can
Speaker 1: have a podcast that costs nothing but an account to
Speaker 1: a servicing account like lips in, and a microphone, a
Speaker 1: computer and some buddies that are have something interesting to say. So, um,
Speaker 1: go do it. Man. Use this as a as a
Speaker 1: good time to plan it and go and do it. Man.
Speaker 1: You're probably sitting around your house. Um, this is a
Speaker 1: good time to get out there in a podcast. Maybe
Speaker 1: make a baby while you're at it. Whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do, it's up to you. But don't do them
Speaker 1: at the same time. That's what I would say. That
Speaker 1: would be a podcast if you do. Just make sure
Speaker 1: you put that that not safe for work sticker, that
Speaker 1: explicit sticker on your show. Yeah, make sure the microphone
Speaker 1: has a wind screen because you're gonna want to them
Speaker 1: a lot of what man, Yeah, something like that. Um,
Speaker 1: so good luck to Trey, to Liz, to Ian and Ryan.
Speaker 1: You guys are welcome to go out and campaign for
Speaker 1: yourselves on Instagram or Twitter or Facebook whatever. Get people
Speaker 1: to vote for you. Just send them to at any
Speaker 1: of the three oh one all on Instagram. Go to
Speaker 1: my Instagram story and there will be the place to vote. Um,
Speaker 1: while you're there, you know, give me a follow and
Speaker 1: send me a real nice comment. Make me feel good
Speaker 1: about myself because that's what this is all about anyway. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's it. That's all of the giveaways that that
Speaker 1: lasted quite a long time. Phil. There's your podcast we've
Speaker 1: been doing. We did Mark. We did these four giveaways
Speaker 1: for episode one, and I didn't realize it would take
Speaker 1: months to like worked them out and get them all delivered.
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize, but I'm happy it did because
Speaker 1: it was really fun. Um, I had a good time, Phil,
Speaker 1: Did you have a good time? Uh? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think I've said it a hundred times, but I'm
Speaker 1: still like, I'm still confused by the response, and uh, flattered,
Speaker 1: And I think, Ben, you should be flattered more than anyone. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's you've got to You've got a very passionate audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had poems, we had illustrations, we had what else
Speaker 1: do we have everything? We had turkey calls, just videos.
Speaker 1: People were framing pictures of my dead hamster squeakers. People
Speaker 1: were having family game nights to draw Phil. Um. It was.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. So there's this, and this could totally
Speaker 1: hijack where you want to go with this, So feel
Speaker 1: free to postpone your answer for some other time. But oftentimes,
Speaker 1: in business or podcasting or whatever you often are, an
Speaker 1: idea is to try to imagine your typical audience member
Speaker 1: or customer and kind of put together their whole um
Speaker 1: suite of preferences and demographics. And various things to try
Speaker 1: to understand who this person is. And so, based off
Speaker 1: of all these contest entries and various other feedback and
Speaker 1: messages you've gotten, can you describe, like who your audience
Speaker 1: member is an over generalized version of like what this
Speaker 1: person is? Is this like an urban uh non hunter
Speaker 1: who's twenty forty, or like do you have any kind
Speaker 1: of assumption of who your average listeners based off this? Now?
Speaker 1: I do? I do? They all look exactly like me? Uh?
Speaker 1: And are my age? Phil got? I mean, if Joe
Speaker 1: Ferronado was under he would probably he would probably um
Speaker 1: back me up that we we did. People send a
Speaker 1: lot of videos in for our turkey calling contest of
Speaker 1: themselves and half of them were uh, probably thirty five
Speaker 1: and had a beard. Um. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: beards all they grew a beard after they saw my beard,
Speaker 1: which I doubt they did. That would be stupid, or
Speaker 1: if they just all bearded. People all kind of came
Speaker 1: to this show. I don't know the chicken or the egg,
Speaker 1: you know how that is? Margins, you don't know, there's
Speaker 1: nowhere to know, uh, but you know the podcast contest
Speaker 1: funny enough, was the thing that really got me thinking
Speaker 1: about that. And I didn't expecting go into expecting to
Speaker 1: be inspired or feel anything. I just wanted to have
Speaker 1: fun and help someone out, um and and just share creativity.
Speaker 1: Like you know, this show is a lot of just
Speaker 1: in your show too, Mark, I'm sure, just random things
Speaker 1: you think of that you find interesting and that you
Speaker 1: want to explore, and they take on lives of their own.
Speaker 1: And that's what I wanted to do here. I just
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun for everybody, and then it
Speaker 1: takes on a life of its own once it gets gone.
Speaker 1: And in this case, as I was sitting there reading
Speaker 1: all these podcasts ideas, I realized that, I mean, we
Speaker 1: had teachers, we had middle school teachers, high school teachers,
Speaker 1: high school students. I had a couple in from like
Speaker 1: high school, outdoors clubs, um. We had research professionals as
Speaker 1: you heard, we had mothers, we had we had a
Speaker 1: nuclear physicist was one of them. We had military, we
Speaker 1: had first responders, we had firefighters, we had I mean
Speaker 1: just just from all walks of life people that listen
Speaker 1: to this show and that um that appreciates something about it.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know what, or I just wanted
Speaker 1: to win a podcast kid. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: motivation is, right, but um, that was a part of
Speaker 1: it that struck me. And it wasn't I wasn't reading
Speaker 1: it to kind of, you know, have any feeling about
Speaker 1: the audience. I just wanted to to to put as
Speaker 1: much time into the um reading each one of the
Speaker 1: submissions as people took to put them together and send
Speaker 1: them to me. So that's that's really. It was just
Speaker 1: like an exercise that turned into something that for me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't meant to be. UM And really, I just
Speaker 1: I came out of it appreciating how many different people
Speaker 1: can come and gather around hunting and the outdoors and
Speaker 1: caring about it, and it's just silliness at the same time,
Speaker 1: complete ridiculous. We we I don't know if you listen
Speaker 1: to them, but we wrapped and sung some of the
Speaker 1: poems from one of our contests, and I listened back
Speaker 1: to him like, this is the most ridiculous thing that
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my life. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with it, but I'm glad we did it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just not the norm within the hunting world. No,
Speaker 1: I would say that's a perfect way to describe you, Ben.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I hate I hate to I
Speaker 1: hate reflecting on anything. I'd like to just do things
Speaker 1: and then move on. But they're reflecting on just how
Speaker 1: many people out there are from different have different perspectives,
Speaker 1: are from different places. All of the contest winners, um
Speaker 1: three at the ones we've announced so far, we're from
Speaker 1: the New England States. I think we had a New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: Massachusetts in Connecticut, which was kind of random and funny,
Speaker 1: but it just goes to show you people think of
Speaker 1: meat eater or they like typify your podcast market like,
Speaker 1: oh it's a it's must be all Midwesterners and in
Speaker 1: the Eastern folks. Um, we got emails from every place
Speaker 1: in this country and every in places internet. Actually, a
Speaker 1: bunch from Canada, a bunch from England, a bunch of
Speaker 1: New Zealand, a bunch of Australia. Um, a couple from
Speaker 1: South America. Even so whatever, man, just be glad to
Speaker 1: be a part of something, whether it's a podcast or
Speaker 1: I don't even care what it is, where you can
Speaker 1: share share this conversations with so many people. So that
Speaker 1: was a long winded way of saying, like man, it
Speaker 1: was really inspiring and cool to read all these submissions
Speaker 1: and thank you everyone for sending them in. So, Mark,
Speaker 1: you're gonna what's your contest gonna be for a while? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The contest is to try to draw what you think
Speaker 1: the average Hunting Collective audience member looks like. I like it.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be drawing a bunch of just a bunch
Speaker 1: of trolls with beards like what we do let the
Speaker 1: All right, well, good, you have any final thoughts there,
Speaker 1: Phil on our episode one hundred stuff and what it
Speaker 1: turned into your I guess you already kind of gave them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of. I kind of summed it up for
Speaker 1: Thanks for contributing. Yeah, thanks. I always always tune you
Speaker 1: out when you're talking, Phil, I try not to listen
Speaker 1: to to what you're saying. That's okay, I do the
Speaker 1: exact same thing to myself. Oh I thought you would
Speaker 1: say to me, all right, well thanks for listening. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Um, but that's it, So I will
Speaker 1: I'm gonna the next contest, as you guys heard, already,
Speaker 1: hand turkeys. He could he could get a thousand hand turkeys.
Speaker 1: That's the goal. Yeah, plaster them all over the office,
Speaker 1: not just behind my desk. One thousand hand turkey drawings.
Speaker 1: That's what's want, that's what we want. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: even for. If I can get a thousand, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. Probably I'll probably retire. Um,
Speaker 1: So get your hands ready because because after this whole
Speaker 1: coronavirus thing, hand drawn hand turkeys will be the only
Speaker 1: form of currency. We'll have to cut all our hands
Speaker 1: off to avoid shaking them. Uh. All right, that's that's
Speaker 1: coming up, So just just get ready for that. So, um, Phil,
Speaker 1: your your release from duty. You can go back, uh
Speaker 1: to hang out with your kids and probably fake working
Speaker 1: from home. You're supposed to be working from home or
Speaker 1: you do you plan to do work? Yeah? Well, I
Speaker 1: already mixed one of your shows today, and now I'm
Speaker 1: recording a podcast with you. I'm recording another podcast with
Speaker 1: you later today, and then I'm mixing another one of
Speaker 1: your shows. So pretty all the work I'm doing today
Speaker 1: is just for you specifically, so I just thought i'd
Speaker 1: let you know. Thanks. It's actually for the listener who
Speaker 1: we just described h all over the world, and that's
Speaker 1: who it's for. Philip hp to do it. I'll always
Speaker 1: defend the listener on TC. I won't let I won't
Speaker 1: let Phil. Phil is always trying to degrade you. I'm
Speaker 1: always trying to build you up and keep you, keep
Speaker 1: you with us. Um. All right, well we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: the story of the Wide eight Phil. So go take
Speaker 1: a breather and I'll see you briefly. Cool, have fun,
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Uh, when's the last time you're on the
Speaker 1: back forties? Uh? Uh? Two days ago Saturday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 1: I was on the back for you. Today's Monday, Monday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was Saturday a couple of days ago. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: what how's it looking over there? It's looking okay. Um,
Speaker 1: I was out there. Frost seating. Uh So. Frost seeding
Speaker 1: is a way of planting something without actually tilling or
Speaker 1: disking or plowing anything into the ground. You actually broadcast
Speaker 1: seed just on top of what's there early enough in
Speaker 1: the year that they're still freezing and thawing cycles. So
Speaker 1: the ground's gonna freeze at some points and it's gonna
Speaker 1: thaw later in the day, and so the ground expands
Speaker 1: and then contracts, expands and then contracts and that sucks
Speaker 1: in the seed into the soil and allows stuff to grow.
Speaker 1: So I'm frost seating switch grass, which is a type
Speaker 1: of grass that's going to provide a lot of cover
Speaker 1: and structure across these old fields that we talked about
Speaker 1: last time. Um, frost were critters, and so I was
Speaker 1: doing that. It's been a big pain in the butt. Um.
Speaker 1: Two different broadcast seaters I bought have already broken on me.
Speaker 1: So um as the as it was last year, gear
Speaker 1: and equipment issues continue. Oh boy. Yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: got a lot of big plans for the back for
Speaker 1: you this year, and I can only imagine that this
Speaker 1: is just the beginning. Yeah, man, and this whole uh
Speaker 1: coronavirus thing is throwing a loop already into it as
Speaker 1: we speak. Yeah, we're supposed to be filming next week
Speaker 1: and now obviously we're not doing that, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to do a lot of things out there. So we'll
Speaker 1: leave that for other conversations. But I think I do
Speaker 1: think that um, in general, what we want to do
Speaker 1: on that that property this year, we're gonna still do it. Um.
Speaker 1: We're still going to do all the big projects we
Speaker 1: wanted to want to do whether we get to film
Speaker 1: them and show them to you on back for to
Speaker 1: you the actual show or not. UM, we're still gonna
Speaker 1: do them. We're still gonna make that property the best
Speaker 1: that possibly can be. And if we can't get camera
Speaker 1: guys there, we can't everybody else there to film, and
Speaker 1: we'll still bring to you somehow. Marco'll take his phone
Speaker 1: out there and show you what he's doing, So just
Speaker 1: stick with us. We got big plans for the back
Speaker 1: forward for spring, summer, fall and then the next year,
Speaker 1: but lots and lots to do. But the big I
Speaker 1: imagine that like, do you think the wide eight, the
Speaker 1: fact he killed the White eight last year, do you
Speaker 1: feel like that will be the high point of the
Speaker 1: property or do we got are we going to hit
Speaker 1: another high note? Are we gonna be chasing that all year? No,
Speaker 1: we'll have a high note. That won't be the beginning.
Speaker 1: That was simply a dot of optimism to begin the
Speaker 1: growth curve. I would say, I think, Um, I think
Speaker 1: what we had last year was very very very much
Speaker 1: a raw, rough canvas that we are trying to draw
Speaker 1: hanting on and this year, barring any more disasters, Um,
Speaker 1: if we were able to do the things we want
Speaker 1: to do. The place should be a lot better this year. UM.
Speaker 1: So I think we'll see a lot more of all
Speaker 1: sorts of wildlife. I think we've got plans to bring
Speaker 1: in some guests. It will be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: to share this place with. And I think we'll I
Speaker 1: think we'll see more dear and I think there'll be
Speaker 1: some success. So I think this year will be really cool.
Speaker 1: I think the coolest thing even if we don't have
Speaker 1: a successful hunt like we did last year where it
Speaker 1: killed the wide at a big mature buck. Even if
Speaker 1: we don't kill mature buck this year, I think it
Speaker 1: will be really a high point just to see it transformed,
Speaker 1: to see the new version of it this fault, and
Speaker 1: to see how animals and all sorts of new life
Speaker 1: is kind of flush across this landscape. I think that
Speaker 1: will be a high point, just to see that experience that. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for that a lot. Yeah. And then for you,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe for those of you that don't know,
Speaker 1: back Ford is a property that that Meat Eater bought
Speaker 1: and Mark Kenyan manages and we're making a show about it. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's six or four acres in Michigan. And as
Speaker 1: you said, it's kind of like it wasn't a blank canvas,
Speaker 1: but it was definitely a run of the mill farm.
Speaker 1: You can just inherit and start shooting the big bucks
Speaker 1: walk around. I mean, um, a lot of work had
Speaker 1: to be done, has been done, will be done. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of times going into thinking about what what's
Speaker 1: the best thing for this property and why, um, why
Speaker 1: we need to do what we're gonna do, and so
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting I've never been a part of
Speaker 1: something like this. I've least ground for hunting. I've been
Speaker 1: a part of those processes, but not never something so intimate. Um.
Speaker 1: And you and I were talking about, you know, just
Speaker 1: a property in general. How how the more you get
Speaker 1: to know something, you would think the closer you got
Speaker 1: to it. Right, the more you know about a property,
Speaker 1: you would think the closer you felt to it, that
Speaker 1: intimate knowledge of every corner of it, every field, every hedgerow,
Speaker 1: every tree, you kind of know what's going on. But
Speaker 1: we were talking about recently, like the closer you get
Speaker 1: to a property, the more you realize what you don't know,
Speaker 1: the more you realize how much there isn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like there's these different levels to getting to know
Speaker 1: a place, and so you you start to get to
Speaker 1: know a place a whole lot, and you feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know that there's an oak tree over there, and
Speaker 1: I know there's a such and such tree there, and
Speaker 1: then there's this corner there. So you get to know
Speaker 1: something really well on that level. But if you keep going,
Speaker 1: then you go to this next level where you then
Speaker 1: have all these new questions because now you're starting to ask,
Speaker 1: why does this happen there, or why is this thing
Speaker 1: happening there that's influencing this wildlife movement or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then is if you keep on digging in and your
Speaker 1: further passionate and excited about learning this place, and you
Speaker 1: have more experiences, then you start to see, oh, when
Speaker 1: I made this change, it influenced this. And there's this
Speaker 1: cascade of effects that I think is really interesting. If
Speaker 1: you approach it with curiosity, Um, that's been something that
Speaker 1: at times this property has seen limiting because like we're
Speaker 1: just on sixty four acres, there's nothing but well, we
Speaker 1: know every square inch almost. But then if you approach
Speaker 1: it with curiosity and um, I don't know, ah, you
Speaker 1: just you just keep on diving down these new rabbit
Speaker 1: holes which are really interesting in challenging all sorts of challenges.
Speaker 1: But I think embracing that makes it a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's that's well, But you always do a good
Speaker 1: job of kind of encapsulating all the things that go
Speaker 1: into this. And um, I think that part of what
Speaker 1: I hope to get out of of the back Ford.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about this about what what might
Speaker 1: we do after the back Ford or what what else
Speaker 1: can we figure out in terms of hunting. I think
Speaker 1: that what meat Eater has done as a brand and
Speaker 1: and Steve Ronnell as a person and kind of what
Speaker 1: all the things that he means to hunting is is
Speaker 1: to be able to say, like, what's happening on the ground.
Speaker 1: What makes us relatable to everybody? Um, what makes a
Speaker 1: sixty four acre property in Michigan relatable to everybody listening
Speaker 1: to this? There's got to be something that you can
Speaker 1: relate to. Even if you don't own a proper of
Speaker 1: your own, if you've never hunted on white tails on
Speaker 1: in Michigan you don't ever intend to. There's some appreciation
Speaker 1: for for the land and for the animals that you
Speaker 1: can learn from what from your experience, right from Mark's experience.
Speaker 1: But but then let's say you have a property like this,
Speaker 1: or you do intend to want to have a property
Speaker 1: like this, you can also learn some very intimate things
Speaker 1: on the ground that you can either do better or
Speaker 1: or you can try to emulate. And so it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a great it's been a great process. I guess
Speaker 1: that it's it's more of an internal feeling for me
Speaker 1: having worked on the show with you. But I think, um,
Speaker 1: for those who haven't watched back forward you even those
Speaker 1: who have and are looking forward to the season two,
Speaker 1: that's how that's why I enjoy it. Because of that approach,
Speaker 1: we're able to be broad but also kind of of
Speaker 1: hit things on the ground floor where they're happening on
Speaker 1: that property. Yeah. I mean it's been i opening for
Speaker 1: me in so many different ways. Have have thought that
Speaker 1: I had a lot of experience of these kinds of
Speaker 1: things leading up to it, and I thought, oh, this
Speaker 1: is great. You get to own a property and do
Speaker 1: whatever you want on it. This will be a piece
Speaker 1: of cake. This is the dream come true. Um, this
Speaker 1: will be a slam dunk. And you very quickly realize
Speaker 1: that there's a lot more to it. Um, challenges and opportunities. Um.
Speaker 1: And so it's been a hell of a journey, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. By the time it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: we'll have had a lot of fun, will have worked
Speaker 1: our tails off and learned a lot. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's all you can really ask for. We had
Speaker 1: Charles Rodney on the show a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and that's what he always says. He's like, be safe,
Speaker 1: have fun, learn go like this. That's and I take
Speaker 1: that in from a guy like that. Um. You know
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about before you get any further,
Speaker 1: UM soil and a guy named Gabe Brown. I think
Speaker 1: at this point you could probably give us a lot
Speaker 1: about game. Brown. We we went to um Rome Ranch
Speaker 1: back in November and we did a podcast for THD
Speaker 1: about soil and about rejective agriculture and about kind of
Speaker 1: the if if you were looking at the great mysteries
Speaker 1: and our society, like or or one of the more
Speaker 1: important things we could explore soil is never we think
Speaker 1: about the ocean, we think about our climate, we don't
Speaker 1: ever really think about the soil. UM soil becomes this
Speaker 1: like connective tissue or connective organism for everything everything we eat,
Speaker 1: you know, every every place we walk, whatever. So could
Speaker 1: you give us just a quick rundown from from your
Speaker 1: perch on the back forward you why soil matters and
Speaker 1: that there's this guy named Gay Brown that that you've
Speaker 1: been been talking about to me. Yeah. Well, like you said,
Speaker 1: soil is it is the foundation that almost everything that
Speaker 1: we depend on is built on. There is more life
Speaker 1: in soil beneath the surface of the ground than there
Speaker 1: is above it. It's smaller life, but the sheer volume
Speaker 1: of different little critters and things going on down there
Speaker 1: is incredible. And our health, our ability to grow things,
Speaker 1: to have food, to to do all the things that
Speaker 1: we need as as humans and then on a more
Speaker 1: granular level as hunters or wildlife managers. It all depends
Speaker 1: on that part of the of the building, which is
Speaker 1: the foundation, which is soil. And soil has been becoming
Speaker 1: seriously degraded decade over decade over decade. I think the
Speaker 1: last number I saw is that we have lost fifty
Speaker 1: of our top soil across the world over the last
Speaker 1: century and a half, so since industrial agriculture, since the
Speaker 1: plow um of sorts started being used prevalently. We've lost
Speaker 1: half of the available high quality soil to grow stuff,
Speaker 1: and we're losing more and more and more and more
Speaker 1: because of a number of different practices within you know,
Speaker 1: within the agricultural world and and even within wildlife agriculture
Speaker 1: that management all those different types of things. Um, we're
Speaker 1: killing the biology of soil every time we plowed up,
Speaker 1: or we leave it bear um, or we plant the
Speaker 1: same thing over and over and over in a monoculture,
Speaker 1: or we apply a bunch of chemicals. All these things
Speaker 1: are killing the life within soil that gives life to
Speaker 1: everything that comes out of it. That's a very overly
Speaker 1: simplified generalized explanation of why soil matters. But um, basically
Speaker 1: what what Gay Brown, who is a farmer from north
Speaker 1: North Dakota has been sharing, and a lot of folks
Speaker 1: from within the natural resource um oh, natural resource why
Speaker 1: am I Conservation Service? Thank you from the government, and
Speaker 1: a whole lot of people across the country now are
Speaker 1: speaking about our new ways to think about planting crops,
Speaker 1: new ways of farming that can preserve the quality and
Speaker 1: life of our soil. And that's going to lead to
Speaker 1: more nutrient dense crops. It's going to lead to better yields,
Speaker 1: it's going to lead to less erosion, it's going to
Speaker 1: lead to less pollution with chemicals getting into our water sources.
Speaker 1: All many, many, many different benefits. So this is a
Speaker 1: topic that has become an interest to me because when
Speaker 1: we started looking into this idea of the back forward,
Speaker 1: we want to try to manage this place, UM to
Speaker 1: be a wildlife paradise, but also as environmentally friendly and
Speaker 1: as as as as healthy of an ecosystem as we
Speaker 1: possibly could. And so I knew from the get go
Speaker 1: that UM, thinking about soil would have to be part
Speaker 1: of the equation. And so I started diving into it
Speaker 1: last winter last spring. And Gay Brown was one of
Speaker 1: these people who wrote a book called Dirt to Soil
Speaker 1: that has been one of those highly one of the
Speaker 1: most highly recommended books on this topic. UM ever want
Speaker 1: to talk to would always point back to that book.
Speaker 1: Go read that book, Go read that book. Listen to
Speaker 1: his ted talk. UM, So I did, and UM, what
Speaker 1: you learned is that there's a handful of and you
Speaker 1: can cut me off at any point I from going
Speaker 1: too deep and keep going. You might have covered this
Speaker 1: already in your Rome Ranch podcast, But there's these principles
Speaker 1: of healthy soil that should be thought about whenever you're
Speaker 1: going to be moving forward with some kind of work
Speaker 1: with the ground. So what we're trying to do with
Speaker 1: the back ford and I'll give you this the really
Speaker 1: high level, and I might forget something here, but you
Speaker 1: want to reduce tillage as much as possible, because whenever
Speaker 1: you're tilling or plowing ground, you're you're breaking apart the
Speaker 1: soil biology. You're you're losing oisture too, to the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: So anytime you can no till, that's a better option.
Speaker 1: Anytime you can keep the soil armored. You want to
Speaker 1: have something growing at all times because nature, in nature,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be stuff growing. Nature of bores a
Speaker 1: vacuum is the phrase of her in the past. So
Speaker 1: you want roots, living roots in the soil at all times.
Speaker 1: That's different than what you're seeing in traditional agriculture, where
Speaker 1: a crop is planted in May or June and it's
Speaker 1: harvested in September or October or November, and then it's
Speaker 1: just dead. It's a desert for five months or six
Speaker 1: months or whatever. Um, you also want diversity in nature.
Speaker 1: You never see a monoculture. You never see the same
Speaker 1: plant everywhere. There's always diversity in nature. But across massive
Speaker 1: swaths of America, in the entire world, we're planting monoculture,
Speaker 1: single species crops that are covering the landscape with just
Speaker 1: one single thing that's not natural. That's not healthy for soil,
Speaker 1: It's not healthy for the environment in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: So diverse planting. UM. Reducing chemical uh inputs like synthetic fertilizers,
Speaker 1: synth excuse excuse me, synthetic fertilizers, synthetic herbicides. UM, those
Speaker 1: things are not helping us. Um is that four? Yeah? Thanks,
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting I'm forgetting something here now. But um. But
Speaker 1: but basically, high level point of all this is that
Speaker 1: soil matters. I've been trying to learn a lot about
Speaker 1: it and trying to implement these practices on the back forty.
Speaker 1: We did that last year for the first time, both
Speaker 1: on the back forty and on another farm. I'm able
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of work on I tried
Speaker 1: this stuff for the first time and UM learned a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try it again this year. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the thing that I've always seen and heard and
Speaker 1: when I was at Room Ranch that they said to
Speaker 1: me that got me going, there's more living organisms and
Speaker 1: a teaspoon of soil than the rest of the earth,
Speaker 1: than all of the Earth compared to combined. And so
Speaker 1: it's like this, this is this, it's a bias fhere,
Speaker 1: it's assist a biological system what soil is, and we
Speaker 1: have to treat it like that. And what's funny is
Speaker 1: roset Room Branch there show they showed me the difference
Speaker 1: between the chocolate cake looking soil visually, it's it's arresting.
Speaker 1: Here's you know here they say, here, look under this
Speaker 1: cover crop. Here's uh soil that hasn't been tilled up,
Speaker 1: that hasn't been planted in about three or four years.
Speaker 1: Look at what this looks like. And it looks like
Speaker 1: chocolate cake. And then you go one field over and
Speaker 1: you're like this soils, this soil has been tilled yearly
Speaker 1: for the past who knows how long, and it's like
Speaker 1: red sand um. There's no nutrients in it, there's nothing biological,
Speaker 1: there's nothing, no earthworms crawling in it. It's basically dead soil.
Speaker 1: And then what they described to me is that once
Speaker 1: you get to this point, you still need this land
Speaker 1: to produce crops, so you can so that farmer can
Speaker 1: make a living, so that farmer can have, um a
Speaker 1: life on the farm. And what you then have to
Speaker 1: do is use those of gladiatives for to to make
Speaker 1: the soil fertile. And that's the only way from there
Speaker 1: all and you're kind of dependent on those chemicals to
Speaker 1: make things grow in the soil that you've destroyed. So
Speaker 1: it's a weird circular pattern of destruction that. Um, it's alarming,
Speaker 1: and I think regetitive agriculture I've seen it a lot more.
Speaker 1: Maybe I've just been looking for it recently, since I've
Speaker 1: been learning about it as you have. Maybe I've been
Speaker 1: looking for it more. But I've seen it repeated a
Speaker 1: lot in these circles. People are talking about it more,
Speaker 1: and people are thinking about soil and looking to people
Speaker 1: like Gay Brown for leadership. Yeah, for leadership, um, And
Speaker 1: so give us a rundown. You know, hopefully we can
Speaker 1: film a lot of this, but like on the back forty,
Speaker 1: how do you intend to approach it? Gabe hopefully is
Speaker 1: going to come and help us with this, but um,
Speaker 1: but you're supposed to be there next week, but now
Speaker 1: he can't can't come because of the quarantine. But you
Speaker 1: know what's the intention with Gabe, And in terms of soil, well,
Speaker 1: the hope is that game is gonna come out and
Speaker 1: take a look at the soil that we have on
Speaker 1: the farm right now and tell us a little bitut
Speaker 1: what he's seeing there. Um. From everything I can gather,
Speaker 1: you can tell this has been intensively plowed in farm
Speaker 1: soil for decades and decades and decades, so it's seriously degraded. Um.
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna come and take a look
Speaker 1: at that, and then we're going to talk to him
Speaker 1: about those different principles, principles of soil health and ways
Speaker 1: that we can plant crops on the back forty but
Speaker 1: do it in a way that is good for the
Speaker 1: whole ecosystem, good for the soil. Um. And so, like
Speaker 1: I said, started these things last year and a couple
Speaker 1: of small food plots we planted this year. We're expanding
Speaker 1: the food plots in quite a uh quite a significant way,
Speaker 1: excuse me. So we're gonna continue to use a no
Speaker 1: till approach. We're gonna minimize the use of any herbicides
Speaker 1: as much as possible. UM, We're going to institute a
Speaker 1: rotation of crops that allows us to keep something growing
Speaker 1: at all times. And then it also uses UM. By
Speaker 1: keeping something going all the time, you don't then have
Speaker 1: the weed issues that then require you use herbicides like
Speaker 1: people traditionally do. So we'll have a rotation, will utilize
Speaker 1: a really diverse blend of plants rather than the typical
Speaker 1: monoculture plantings. UM. Again, that's gonna be great for all
Speaker 1: sorts of different types of wildlife. It's also gonna be
Speaker 1: good for the soil. It's also going to make things
Speaker 1: easier from us for us from an input standpoint. UM.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, at the high level, it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be doing those things that all those things, they're
Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult or to get started with
Speaker 1: maybe than the traditional ways I've done it. But I
Speaker 1: think once you get it going, you start seeing some
Speaker 1: real benefits. And we're just in that beginning stage. So
Speaker 1: I think Gave is gonna be able to provide some
Speaker 1: really helpful guidance just as far as the things I
Speaker 1: should be looking for, the things that should be focusing
Speaker 1: on Um, hopefully we can avoid some of this mistakes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did experience early on in his years. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe he can pass along a few points. Is to
Speaker 1: keep my mistakes as minimal as possible. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: to it. Well, Like like we said before, I mean,
Speaker 1: is this is one of those things where people can
Speaker 1: learn from you because we're gonna document every single thing
Speaker 1: that you go through. Um, and I think it's beautiful
Speaker 1: about the way you approach it, in the way that's
Speaker 1: been done. Is this. You're not an expert, you're not
Speaker 1: gay Brown, but you're relying on other experts to come
Speaker 1: in and kind of give you the guidance and then
Speaker 1: you gotta go do it yourself. And if you screw
Speaker 1: it up, oh you know, Oh well, Um, that's just
Speaker 1: how a. Yeah, you're the great guinea pig. And that's
Speaker 1: why you can't get sick mark. You can't get coronavirus
Speaker 1: because then the back forty will fall apart. I don't
Speaker 1: know what we'll do if that happens. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think it's good. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: good to understand. Um. One, we had a guy named
Speaker 1: Luke McCauley out last year who kind of gave us
Speaker 1: who painted the picture had done done this prior for
Speaker 1: you and I, but but painted the picture of kind
Speaker 1: of why are small farms important? We talk about public
Speaker 1: lands all the time. I mean, you wrote a book
Speaker 1: about it. Um. These are large swaths of millions and
Speaker 1: millions of acres. But now we're talking about sixty four acres.
Speaker 1: And and it may seem like that's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: A soil on a sixty four acre farm may not
Speaker 1: seem like that big a deal. But when you multiply
Speaker 1: that out over millions of millions of acres that are
Speaker 1: similarly managed, if everyone could adopt some some principle that
Speaker 1: one allows people to still make money and allows people
Speaker 1: still have profitable acreage in terms of farming and feed
Speaker 1: themselves and feed each other, um, and feed into our
Speaker 1: industrial system. You know, that's that's one. But that allows
Speaker 1: for soil health and for ecosystem health and for you know,
Speaker 1: wildlife health. UM. I think that's the aim. And and
Speaker 1: so if you haven't watched back for you can go
Speaker 1: back and watch those things, um and and see it
Speaker 1: YouTube channel yeah medior YouTube, go there, um, and at
Speaker 1: some point we'll be able to come back out and
Speaker 1: start filming season two. Okay. If not, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep on shutting along out there doing stuff and one
Speaker 1: day you'll just show back up with the camera like, whoa,
Speaker 1: what if you it's on fire? Literally? Holy crap? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well good, Um, anything else about the back for you.
Speaker 1: I know, we're going to do some prescribe burning. Um,
Speaker 1: we're hoping to get with a consultant and look at
Speaker 1: building a pond there. Man, We're gonna put wood duck boxes.
Speaker 1: We still gotta get honey from our bees from last year.
Speaker 1: A million things to do, Yeah, lots lots going on.
Speaker 1: Bees and wetlands and ponds and grasses and prescribe burns
Speaker 1: and new plantings of various food sources and creating new
Speaker 1: cover and bedding areas with evergreen plantings and trees and
Speaker 1: orchards and mushrooms. I mean, just a plethora of food
Speaker 1: and plants and animals and a bounty, a bounty of nature.
Speaker 1: Tell people about here's a good hot tip. Tell people
Speaker 1: about growing their own mushrooms. Oh gosh, I'm the wrong
Speaker 1: guy to to ask about that, Ben, because I I've
Speaker 1: heard is the little idea that Steve mentioned where Supposedly,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that tell me the supposedly what
Speaker 1: you can do, so they can look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: you try this out. Supposedly you can get spores from mushrooms,
Speaker 1: put them on a chainsaw and make cuts into old
Speaker 1: dead stumps with these mushroom spores and it will impregnate
Speaker 1: or or whatever the right war is. Um you you're
Speaker 1: thinking about. Yeah, you can see where our heads are at. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can essentially plant your own mushrooms where you
Speaker 1: want them. Um. I don't know how easy this to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's real. Um, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: give a shot, see what we can do. And we're
Speaker 1: first going to try to find a bunch of mushrooms
Speaker 1: and then we'll see if we can inoculate some stumps.
Speaker 1: The more. Yeah, to look forward to what else we're
Speaker 1: gonna do there this spring. We're gonna get turkey hut uh,
Speaker 1: get some morrel mushrooms. We're gonna plant a bunch of
Speaker 1: trees with our friend Doug during Um, we're gonna plant
Speaker 1: some orchards with some some fruit bearing trees in there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start the our bee hives going so we
Speaker 1: can harvest honey later in the year. Um, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get everything figured out so we can dig our pond
Speaker 1: and put some wood duck boxes on that pond. Um
Speaker 1: and really, just like as we were saying before, just
Speaker 1: like throw a grenade of change at this place and
Speaker 1: and do everything we possibly can in a short term
Speaker 1: two make it as good as it can be, and
Speaker 1: then see what happens in the fall, See how wildlife
Speaker 1: uses the things that we create, See what we're able
Speaker 1: to harvest from the things we're able to create and change. Um,
Speaker 1: that's It's a beautiful thing for me. I love this project.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been in love with it from the beginning.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been easy. UM. I know you don't need
Speaker 1: me to tell you that. But but nothing but nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing that's worth it as easy. So UM,
Speaker 1: I hope that those out there that are landowners or
Speaker 1: just can step step onto a wild place, that you
Speaker 1: go a publicly to public land and you go think
Speaker 1: about the soil next time you're there, to think about
Speaker 1: the time you're hiking and how your boots affect the
Speaker 1: trail that you're on, and how that trail affects the soil.
Speaker 1: And how that trail causes erosion or or things like that.
Speaker 1: I mean it, once you start to learn what the
Speaker 1: earth is and what it means, you start to think
Speaker 1: about every impact that you have on it in a
Speaker 1: way that you know. It's not it's not your typical
Speaker 1: frou through environmentalist way to think about it. Man. It's
Speaker 1: it's like a a very direct um relationship, like your
Speaker 1: feet matter where you're the blade of your shovel matters,
Speaker 1: the wheels of your car matter at that that at
Speaker 1: that point too, and so it's it's something I know
Speaker 1: you've you've experienced for sure. So all right, that's all
Speaker 1: that's soil. Go to uh that benyo B three oh
Speaker 1: one and vote on our our podcasts. Um. It's it's
Speaker 1: strange to say, there, Mark, but I'm gonna see everybody
Speaker 1: to my row Daily podcast. Dude. Good for you. That's ambitious.
Speaker 1: It may all fall apart on me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines. It's already
Speaker 1: been interesting. Um. Anything you want to say to encourage
Speaker 1: everybody out there in this in this time, I'll let
Speaker 1: you kind of have the floor to end it out.
Speaker 1: I think I would just echo the sentiments we had earlier,
Speaker 1: which is we're gonna be okay. But I do think
Speaker 1: I do think we should also take it serious personally.
Speaker 1: I don't think we should look at this as some
Speaker 1: crazy conspiracy. I think we're far past that. So follow
Speaker 1: the guidelines, be smart, take care of your family, and
Speaker 1: then keep living your life that as best as you
Speaker 1: can within those guidelines. Get outside, enjoy a walk in
Speaker 1: the woods with your family. Appreciate the simple things, the
Speaker 1: little things that we have that now we're starting to
Speaker 1: learn maybe aren't so guaranteed in certain situations. So kiss
Speaker 1: your wife, Hug your kids, enjoy life. Make sure it's
Speaker 1: your wife, kiss only your wife. Kiss your wife, repecting me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, it's got awkward. All right, well, Marcus, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, buddy. Um we'll be checking in with him,
Speaker 1: maybe later in our daily podcast journey. We'll check back
Speaker 1: in with you, Um rendezvous in the back forty. Should
Speaker 1: things all fall apart in terms of society, I feel
Speaker 1: like we should we should. Uh, we should just create
Speaker 1: a camp there, a commune where everybody can come and share,
Speaker 1: share the wild bounty. Yes, I'll be waiting for you,
Speaker 1: and I'll have the uh, I'll have it all set
Speaker 1: up beautiful. I'll expect you to have grown a beard
Speaker 1: by then, which which you clearly I'm not to this one.
Speaker 1: I've been trying for years. Man, it might be it's
Speaker 1: not in the cards. I don't think. Sorry, buddy, see you,
Speaker 1: see you. That's it. That's all another episode of the
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