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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller and.
Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 2: Okay, we had a chance to record this from the
Speaker 2: same studio in the same city today, but I screwed that.
Speaker 1: No, you didn't it all. You didn't it all. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm not at all surprised that you are not here,
Speaker 1: and I really don't think you should be. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really ambitious and possibly crazy that you were
Speaker 1: going to be here, but I wasn't going to say anything.
Speaker 2: So you are in New York City? Yeah, First of all,
Speaker 2: what are you doing in New York City?
Speaker 1: So I'm in New York because every year, for a
Speaker 1: few days at the beginning of the year, we have
Speaker 1: a Pursuits Editorial Planning meeting and we just spend a
Speaker 1: few days like setting goals and planning our editorial coverages
Speaker 1: much as we can, and venting and bonding. And we
Speaker 1: had a big dinner last night with the team. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Chris Rouser, who's the editor. We have some
Speaker 1: new editors that we got to meet, and so it's
Speaker 1: just sort of an annual confab of all of our
Speaker 1: Pursuits coverage, which includes of course watches and art and
Speaker 1: food and travel all the fun things and cars of course,
Speaker 1: so it's fun.
Speaker 2: I love pursuits, by the way, and I follow now
Speaker 2: so many of you. I realize on Instagram that I
Speaker 2: see these things happen. Obviously I follow you, and I
Speaker 2: follow Chris, and I have ever since I've known you too.
Speaker 2: But Sarah Rappaport used to work with me in TV Pursuits.
Speaker 1: Yes, and she's killing it. She Sarah is based in London,
Speaker 1: as you know, and she's killing it, especially with these
Speaker 1: really high dollar real estate listings that she goes to
Speaker 1: see and then she gets all of this very great
Speaker 1: I don't want to say gossipy because that sounds like
Speaker 1: it's trivializing it, but really insidery information about these really
Speaker 1: cool spots. So yeah, she's doing great. And of course
Speaker 1: Kate Crater does our food coverage and like every every
Speaker 1: seems to just be in love with her, so she's great.
Speaker 1: And then James Tarmi of course does our real real
Speaker 1: other real estate, but also a lot of art and sales,
Speaker 1: so he's great. And of course Nikki Extine the travels
Speaker 1: are yes.
Speaker 2: And I used some of her tips over the last
Speaker 2: couple of weeks Nikki stuff, and I had an insane.
Speaker 1: I want to trip, tell me everything.
Speaker 2: So first of all, I went to a very remote
Speaker 2: spot in Indonesia and West Papua actually for a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks of scuba diving. And it's my fourth time
Speaker 2: at this one resort. It's called Missoul and it is
Speaker 2: my one of my favorite places on Earth, if not mine.
Speaker 1: You had been there before and I've.
Speaker 2: Been there for it. Yeah, it's it's the best diving
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen. And I've dived in a lot
Speaker 2: of different locations and the Caribbean, in Europe and the US,
Speaker 2: but nothing compares to Raja Ampat, which is where the
Speaker 2: seool is. So that was amazing. But the thing is,
Speaker 2: it takes forever to get there.
Speaker 1: How did you get back? Walk us through your return itinerary.
Speaker 2: So the place is five hours away by boat from
Speaker 2: any airport and from any land. So we had to
Speaker 2: take a five hour speedboat to Sarong, which is like.
Speaker 1: This is going back, this is coming back to the States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming back to the States. Okay, I did the
Speaker 2: same thing in reverse. So then in Sarong, you've got
Speaker 2: to sleep there. There's only like one flight in and
Speaker 2: out of sarm to Jakarta, so you've got to sleep
Speaker 2: in Soong. You fly to Jakarta the next morning, and
Speaker 2: then from Jakarta you can go any number of ways.
Speaker 2: We've gone through Tokyo, We've gone through Istanbul, We've gone
Speaker 2: through Doha, and this time we chose to go through Singapore, okay,
Speaker 2: which is very cool. And on the way there we
Speaker 2: actually stopped and spent a couple of days in Singapore.
Speaker 2: That's where I used some of Nikki's tips. Cool because
Speaker 2: they have amazing architecture and hotels and it's such a cool,
Speaker 2: like cool trading spot that was set up by like Raffles,
Speaker 2: some British you know, colonialist a couple hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: So it was really fun for me. But the flight
Speaker 2: from Singapore back to New York is eighteen hours.
Speaker 1: So I've never been on a flight that long. That's
Speaker 1: really really long.
Speaker 2: It's insane. It's just so so nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what did you do on the flight.
Speaker 2: On the way there, I watched like six movies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And on the way back I tried to sleep as
Speaker 2: much as I could because I was getting back at
Speaker 2: six and I wanted to get six am, Yeah, six am,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to get to work. Yeah yeah. But
Speaker 2: by the time we landed and got through customs and stuff,
Speaker 2: I realized I would be no good to anybody in
Speaker 2: the office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that seems right. What were the travel tips
Speaker 1: that you used in Singapore? I'm curious did any in
Speaker 1: particular stand out?
Speaker 2: Well, just the hotels there are amazing. I mean, some
Speaker 2: of them obviously are not and some of them are.
Speaker 2: But because it's such a new city, you know, in
Speaker 2: the late eighteen hundreds, nobody lived there, or only a
Speaker 2: few Malaysians kind of lived there, and the British found
Speaker 2: this area, and some Chinese had emigrated there. But there
Speaker 2: were literally a few hundred people living in Singapore, right
Speaker 2: and now there are millions. So because it's so new,
Speaker 2: they've been able to completely build it, you know, planet
Speaker 2: with modern engineering, and they've developed a marina and around
Speaker 2: the trading port that is just spectacular to see. And
Speaker 2: you know, they the one of the hotels, the Marina
Speaker 2: Bay Hotel where we stayed, has a few different skyscrapers
Speaker 2: and then on top there's this giant what looks like
Speaker 2: a huge cucumber or a bag get that goes across
Speaker 2: all of the skyscrapers and it's just amazing. There's an
Speaker 2: infinity pool, it's a pool. There're some trendy restaurants up there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of shopping. That was one thing that
Speaker 2: disappointed me is the shopping.
Speaker 1: What were you shopping for? In particular?
Speaker 2: I just when I go to someplace unusual. For example,
Speaker 2: when I go to Tokyo, I like to go to
Speaker 2: the real McCoy's or check out you know, some local
Speaker 2: leather shops.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for the leather jacket.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, these things that you can only get in Tokyo.
Speaker 2: You know, Clinch boots in Singapore, all the stuff, all
Speaker 2: the shopping stuff with stuff I could get on Fifth Avenue,
Speaker 2: like the same store, same brand, Bomber.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah. How was the diving?
Speaker 2: On another note, the diving was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was good. What animals did you see?
Speaker 2: I mean, there are so many fish there. This place
Speaker 2: in Raja on pot is one of the few spots
Speaker 2: on the globe where the biodiversity of fish is growing
Speaker 2: rather than declining. Because of the work that that Missoul
Speaker 2: has done, they created this huge twelve hundred square kilometer
Speaker 2: no no take zone, so they've there's no fishing there anymore.
Speaker 2: They started it about thirty years ago because they found
Speaker 2: a shark finning camp and all of the different species
Speaker 2: were being desid.
Speaker 1: I remember you said that.
Speaker 2: So now it's flourishing and the corals alive and colorful
Speaker 2: and beautiful, and.
Speaker 1: That's so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: You don't look too sunburned.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look like you got some but I'm underwater.
Speaker 2: I was diving like four times a day, right, amazing,
Speaker 2: But it was pretty cool. I did see some I
Speaker 2: was looking around for some strange cars when I was in Indonesia.
Speaker 2: When I was in Singapore, I saw a lot of
Speaker 2: Chinese cars.
Speaker 1: Again, I gotta get to China.
Speaker 2: Stuff that I'd never seen. Like I was riding around
Speaker 2: in this MG, the British brand van. It's not a
Speaker 2: British Wow electric electric like a mini van, although a
Speaker 2: little larger than you'd think a minivan would be.
Speaker 1: Was that an uber or some sort of like yeah, interesting, okay,
Speaker 1: a grab which is like that's funny. Was it good?
Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty great for utilitarian you know, purpose vehicle.
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of hot cars when we pulled
Speaker 2: up to the Conrad Hotel, which is like a Hilton.
Speaker 2: I guess that was like Paris's grandfather or whatever. I
Speaker 2: saw revuel to an orange Revoel toe okay, parked next
Speaker 2: to McLaren seven point fifty, and there was uh, what's
Speaker 2: the rolls Royce suv I always forget the name culling
Speaker 2: in Yeah, and a Ferrari. I think there's a for
Speaker 2: eighty eight. So there were a bunch of these cars
Speaker 2: and I asked the guy at the counter. I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: are these hotel cars? Like? Can I take one of these?
Speaker 2: At first spin? He says, no, These are just local
Speaker 2: businessmen because there's a bar here. They come after to
Speaker 2: have drinks with their colleagues.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool, did you see anything?
Speaker 2: It was four o'clock.
Speaker 1: Old cars, well you know old cars.
Speaker 2: No, not really nothing. No. In Indonesia it's mostly you know,
Speaker 2: beat up plate model Japanese and uh, Korean and Chinese
Speaker 2: mini vans for taxis and then scooters. But everybody loves
Speaker 2: Moto GP, which made me feel really home. Even our
Speaker 2: dive guides were all you know, had chosen either Yamaha
Speaker 2: or Handa or Dukati, and a lot of these brands,
Speaker 2: like Honda has their motto is Satuhati, which means one heart,
Speaker 2: and Yamaha's motto is also in Indonesian. I think it's
Speaker 2: semicon d depen which means never behind.
Speaker 1: And they choose these great information yeah.
Speaker 2: Mottos because so many Indonesian people watch Moto GP.
Speaker 1: Wow. So if you disappear ever, we should look for
Speaker 1: you in Indonesia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look for me in Indonesia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we won't look for you in Indonesia. Perfect. I
Speaker 1: mean it sounds like you sort of dropped right in
Speaker 1: and felt really comfortable and at home. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've already made reservations again for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: You're a kidding me twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Wow, So it's like in every other year type of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: And they're sold out a lot too, so you can
Speaker 2: have a fewer servas and then cool. By the way,
Speaker 2: speaking of racing, not Motor GP but Formula one, I
Speaker 2: was reading a story that you did on a Mercedes
Speaker 2: that went over the block for a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But in the story deeper down, uh, you reported on
Speaker 2: a couple of other more recent Formula One cars that
Speaker 2: have gone for big money. Yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 2: interesting that I didn't know. I'm you know, people who
Speaker 2: follow this stuff do. But Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes Formula one
Speaker 2: Mercedes went for basically twice the price of Mikhael Schumacher's Ferrari. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it stuns me.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sales were like this year, right or recent?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So Hamilton Hamilton sold Is in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: for Yeah, I mean almost twenty million, eighteen point eight million.
Speaker 1: But were you saying that you'd rather have Shoemachers.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm not. It's not an argument of about
Speaker 2: who's better better. I know that Hamilton, you know, is
Speaker 2: could be the greatest of all time and he is
Speaker 2: still in the midst of making his right his legend. Right,
Speaker 2: got Ferrari now, but it's not a Ferrari right. So,
Speaker 2: and Schumacher also for people, I feel like, for people
Speaker 2: who are buying eight nine million dollar cars, right went
Speaker 2: I think it went for nine million dollars.
Speaker 1: Seven point five, well seven point five probably before premium.
Speaker 2: They must they must be, you know, want the Ferrari more,
Speaker 2: I would think, and Also, the Ferrari is from the
Speaker 2: golden era of Formula One, before it was sort of
Speaker 2: dumbed down to like turbocharged two liter four cylinders.
Speaker 1: You know, this real use. Now, this is really interesting
Speaker 1: because you bring up a really good point that, Okay,
Speaker 1: the number one most expensive car that's ever been sold
Speaker 1: is Uhlin aut Coupe, which is a Mercedes which sold
Speaker 1: for one hundred and forty two million dollars in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. And then this.
Speaker 2: Very old one and that's it, that's all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an old one from the fifties. And then
Speaker 1: this nineteen fifty four also Mercedes Streamliner that sold for
Speaker 1: almost fifty million this week last Saturday, is the second
Speaker 1: highest price ever taken in public at auction. So both
Speaker 1: of those top sales are Mercedes vehicles, which is interesting
Speaker 1: because generally Ferraris are considered, you know, the top the
Speaker 1: blue chip vehicles.
Speaker 2: Although Fanngio drove the Streamliner that you wrote about last week.
Speaker 1: Yeah but it but he didn't win any Formula races.
Speaker 1: Like the thing about this car, and once we get
Speaker 1: into such weird high rare air, I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: just sort of theoretical anyway. But The thing about this
Speaker 1: this Streamliner is yes, Fangio drove it, and so did
Speaker 1: Sterling Moss, but it didn't actually win any significant races.
Speaker 1: You know. They Sterling Moss had a couple of fast
Speaker 1: laps in it, and Fangio won sort of an exhibition
Speaker 1: style race in Buenos Aires that I'm sure was really cool,
Speaker 1: and he did it. You know. The race was actually
Speaker 1: two different days of racing that they like averaged the time,
Speaker 1: so it was little. It wasn't actually a Formula one race.
Speaker 1: So when you talk to people who know these cars
Speaker 1: really well, they're like, well, of course it's a very
Speaker 1: special car, but it's not the most special And part
Speaker 1: of the reason why it's not is because it hadn't
Speaker 1: won any real significant Formula one races. I mean again,
Speaker 1: for so those.
Speaker 2: Two Mercedes, right the the Streamliner which is the WA
Speaker 2: ninety six R and the three hundred SLR uln Hoowe
Speaker 2: to Coop, which is like obviously, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the most famous Mercedes of all time. Those are from
Speaker 2: the mid fifties. Yeah, so they're not going to be
Speaker 2: many of those left, right, the Formula one cars that Hamilton,
Speaker 2: the Hamilton car and even the shoe meee car was
Speaker 2: I think from two thousand ish, So you know those
Speaker 2: there are other are others out there.
Speaker 1: Right, That's the other thing. The Uhlin hought is considered
Speaker 1: a one of a two car, one of two. This Streamliner,
Speaker 1: there were fourteen of them made. This is you know,
Speaker 1: one of four in the same body style that are remaining.
Speaker 1: But one in four is twice as many as one
Speaker 1: and two. And you know, again these are like we're
Speaker 1: splitting hairs here, but one of two is a lot
Speaker 1: more rare than one of four. And the idea that
Speaker 1: you could potentially buy a Streamliner again in the next
Speaker 1: decade or two, you know, makes it considered less rare. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing, so I like the Streamliner better than
Speaker 2: the ul and hout why at least I like one
Speaker 2: version that the Streamliner has been because I like the
Speaker 2: open wheel, you know, the big mouth on the front
Speaker 2: Formula race cars. But I've seen a few different bodies
Speaker 2: on that car, because as you poured out in your story,
Speaker 2: a lot of the pieces have changed, like even the
Speaker 2: chassis plate may be gone.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the other thing, you know. Do you know
Speaker 1: that paradox called the ship of theseus paradox.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it before I read your story.
Speaker 1: So this is basically a thing where you know, the
Speaker 1: idea is, if you're constantly replacing a board on a ship,
Speaker 1: so much so that the ship is basically being replaced
Speaker 1: by new wood all the time, at what point does
Speaker 1: a ship not become the same ship as it was?
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a vanishing horizon. And the same
Speaker 1: applies to these cars, where you know, race cars are
Speaker 1: sometimes modified during the race. You know, no good race
Speaker 1: car that has one significant races has escaped racing incidents. Rubbing,
Speaker 1: you know, rubbing is racing, a little nudge here there,
Speaker 1: possibly an accident, possibly a rollover, who knows what. And
Speaker 1: obviously components and even engines are changed pretty consistently on
Speaker 1: race cars. So the idea that you would get a
Speaker 1: sort of quote unquote original or untouched car, which we
Speaker 1: think really would lend to a higher price tech it
Speaker 1: doesn't really apply to these race cars. So you're right
Speaker 1: to your point. This Streamliner was made to be able
Speaker 1: to be in different body styles. There was an open
Speaker 1: wheel body type and then of course the streamliner body
Speaker 1: type that was better suited toward long, broad super fast racetracks.
Speaker 1: I think the streamliner look is really cool, the sculptural
Speaker 1: part of it, I mean, the open the open wheel
Speaker 1: to me looks more old school like old Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Streamliner looks actually kind of futuristic, which I think is
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 2: The old school like formula open wheel racer is what
Speaker 2: I would love to have, But nobody makes anything like
Speaker 2: that now except for in kit car form.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean. The other thing that is really interesting
Speaker 1: as we're talking about Ferrari versus Mercedes, is there was
Speaker 1: another car that is part of this series of sales.
Speaker 1: We should say that this Streamliner, this nineteen fifty four
Speaker 1: Mercedes Streamliner, is part of a three series sale of
Speaker 1: cars that the Indie Museum is auctioning off to raise
Speaker 1: money for their endowment. And the second car in that
Speaker 1: sale was a nineteen sixty four Ferrari two to fifty
Speaker 1: LM with actually a better racing history than this Mercedes.
Speaker 1: This Ferrari, this nineteen sixty four number one, it's a
Speaker 1: Ferrari number two had actually one Lamont outright, so it
Speaker 1: has a significant race when under its belt. But that
Speaker 1: car sold for just under thirty two million. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not as rare as the Mercedes. So it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's interesting. Some of these Mercedes just really
Speaker 1: seem to pop and turn terms of the value in
Speaker 1: a way that the Ferraris haven't lately. But you could
Speaker 1: argue they're more rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess the rarity is part of it.
Speaker 2: And even though the race cars have been you know,
Speaker 2: have had almost every single piece replaced, they still have that,
Speaker 2: you know, the idea that Sterling Moss drove it, or
Speaker 2: that totally Angio drove it, or that Shoe Me drove it.
Speaker 1: If you were going to buy one of these cars,
Speaker 1: would that really make a difference for you personally knowing
Speaker 1: that somebody really famous.
Speaker 2: So I don't have obviously those kind of funds, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it would interesting to have something in my
Speaker 2: garage that Sterling Moss drove, Yeah, yeah, or that Fungio drove.
Speaker 2: Then I think it makes a big difference.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, intellectually it does. I don't on
Speaker 1: a personal level, I don't really care, you know, so
Speaker 1: some old guy sat in it for a for a
Speaker 1: few laps around a racetrack. To me, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't I care if the car looks cool, and I
Speaker 1: mean that.
Speaker 2: Kind of this point, but you know, I would have
Speaker 2: so much and it had been changed, like if when
Speaker 2: Fangio drove it, if it was an open wheel race car,
Speaker 2: and since then, you know, everything from the axles to
Speaker 2: the body, to the seats, the steering wheel, like everything
Speaker 2: is different and the only thing is the same as
Speaker 2: the is the you.
Speaker 1: Know, the chassing, the number, the number that's printed on
Speaker 1: the chesting.
Speaker 2: Then it would mean a lot less to me.
Speaker 1: I had I say, yeah, yeah, I guess I can
Speaker 1: see that. I mean, do you care that you know
Speaker 1: that portion nine seventeen at the Mekam auction recently. Do
Speaker 1: you do care that it had been driven by Steve McQueen.
Speaker 1: Would that make any kind of difference to you?
Speaker 2: Yes, I hate to say it would it would, but
Speaker 2: it would make a huge Like Triumph sells this Bonneville
Speaker 2: the Scrambler twelve hundred, you know, that was in the
Speaker 2: most recent Games Bond movie, and they do a Steve
Speaker 2: McQueen version in Dark Green, and I hate I'm not
Speaker 2: a Steve McQueen fanboy, like I have seen a couple
Speaker 2: of his movies, but still still like that version of
Speaker 2: that scrambler.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's fair. I wonder how relevant Steve McQueen
Speaker 1: is these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right for the kids, now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are plenty of people who don't even know
Speaker 1: who he is.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of people that don't think Bullet was
Speaker 2: a very good movie.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and there are plenty of people who think
Speaker 1: Steve McQueen was a bit of a jerk. You know,
Speaker 1: you can go down that road too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, anyway, I loved Bullet, and I haven't
Speaker 2: gone down the Steve McQueen is a jerk road, although
Speaker 2: obviously I've heard so much about it. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: sent you an auction car this morning. A buddy of
Speaker 2: a buddy of mine, Yes, selling his SL six hundred.
Speaker 2: And this is a different kind of thing. You wrote
Speaker 2: about the W one twenty nine. Yes, and I prefer
Speaker 2: the previous generation. But this thing is a beast.
Speaker 1: It's got Now why is he selling it? Do you know? So?
Speaker 2: I know that he has had one in the past.
Speaker 2: This is a two thousand and one SL six hundred
Speaker 2: and it's got the six lider V twelve And he
Speaker 2: had that car exact car previously, that was a driver
Speaker 2: for him and he put like fifty thousand miles on it,
Speaker 2: but this particular one he picked up with just like
Speaker 2: dealer delivery miles.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I that to me is such
Speaker 1: a red flag. One hundred and eighty seven one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty seven miles.
Speaker 2: Yes, only one hundred eighty seven miles. That's because he
Speaker 2: bought it that I.
Speaker 1: Mean, okay, so that's fair. There's an explanation.
Speaker 2: And the guy who bought it from the dealer and
Speaker 2: so dealer, it's been driven. It's never been driven, and
Speaker 2: he had it.
Speaker 1: Has shakedown miles for sure.
Speaker 2: He is Philip Richter, by the way. He runs the
Speaker 2: Turtle Garage. We've had him on the show for yep,
Speaker 2: and he's he had this car sort of on display
Speaker 2: at the Turtle Garage. So and he has this car
Speaker 2: show every couple of years. So he had it on display.
Speaker 2: It was like a display model, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see it's got Montana plates.
Speaker 2: It's so mint like.
Speaker 1: It's definitely meant because it's never been driven. We got
Speaker 1: to wear this thing in a bit.
Speaker 2: It hasn't just never been driven and stayed there like
Speaker 2: he keeps trailering it back and forth to the dealer,
Speaker 2: you know, every year for whatever it needs. So what
Speaker 2: they take very good care.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm my eyes are rolling when I hear
Speaker 1: trailering it back and forth to the dealer. And okay,
Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't know that he's trailer. I
Speaker 1: mean maybe one hundred and eighty seven miles came from
Speaker 1: driving it back and forth to the dealer.
Speaker 2: I just know that it's been back and forth to
Speaker 2: the same dealer that sold it. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: for people who want, you know, like the Han Solo
Speaker 2: action figure in unopened in the box, you know, that's
Speaker 2: what this is.
Speaker 1: That's what this is. And it's currently at one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five thousand dollars. We've got four days left
Speaker 1: on the sale. So jumping on.
Speaker 2: Four days left on the saale. Yes, somebody was like,
Speaker 2: I think I'll bid one hundred and eighty five grand
Speaker 2: with four days left.
Speaker 1: Don't you want no reserve? No reserve?
Speaker 2: True. I asked him about no reserve because I thought
Speaker 2: that's pretty dangerous. At least if it was my stuff,
Speaker 2: I would feel worried about it. Yeah, but he said,
Speaker 2: you know, contrary to what you might think, no reserve
Speaker 2: auctions drive more people to bid higher and wait to
Speaker 2: keep paid.
Speaker 1: Who's your friend said that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Philip.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I mean he's thought about this obviously. He works very
Speaker 2: closely with a lot of car collectors, and he is
Speaker 2: himself a car collector. See, he gives these things a
Speaker 2: lot of thought. Whether you do reserve or no reserve.
Speaker 2: I still would be too scared, soistic, because what if
Speaker 2: the people who want the SL six hundred like are
Speaker 2: diving in Indonesia that week?
Speaker 1: Completely? I mean the other thing is if you really
Speaker 1: need the cash.
Speaker 2: I mean, there you go. I doubt that's the case,
Speaker 2: you know, because it's on his the turtle garage is
Speaker 2: on his horse.
Speaker 1: Farm, so oh oh, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching that. I mean I have
Speaker 1: been watching a lot of Rolls Royce sales lately. I
Speaker 1: think I've sent you a few half Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going for a pretty penny.
Speaker 1: They're going for a pretty I mean there are deals
Speaker 1: to be had, There are deals to be had. I
Speaker 1: saw corniche go for a forty thousand, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a good deal. Actually the other day that's a
Speaker 1: good deal for a corniche.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does sound like a good deal if it.
Speaker 2: By the way, I know not to say if it
Speaker 2: has low miles now because I keep I keep flusting
Speaker 2: after your nine to nine to one turbo with one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety thousand mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, by the way that
Speaker 1: just crossed over, we're probably we're probably rounding down one
Speaker 1: hundred ninety one thousand miles, to be honest, because that
Speaker 1: was last week.
Speaker 2: By the way, your experience with that car and your
Speaker 2: kind of philosophy has changed the way I, you know,
Speaker 2: window shop for cars on Bring a Trailer, but also
Speaker 2: on Auto Trader or whatever platform I used to I
Speaker 2: used to limit it like I only want a car
Speaker 2: that has less than fifteen or thirty thousand miles. And
Speaker 2: now I'm thinking if it's one owner, yeah, happy to
Speaker 2: have and you want to check that on or was responsible.
Speaker 2: But I'm happy to have something that has high miles.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's a case of read the room, like,
Speaker 1: understand the context of the car. You can't just make
Speaker 1: a blanket statement about that kind of thing. It depends
Speaker 1: on the car, It depends on the make, it depends
Speaker 1: on where and how the car was kept, It depends
Speaker 1: on who owned it. And how they used it. All
Speaker 1: of those things are important, and just the idea that
Speaker 1: you would just say flat out it has to be
Speaker 1: this way, I don't think is using all of the
Speaker 1: information available, I guess I would say.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have any concerns about much on a high
Speaker 2: mileage car like the motor Obviously, if it's been driven
Speaker 2: a lot, it's been serviced.
Speaker 1: A lot, and potentially yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Guess the seats are maybe a little squishier than they
Speaker 2: were before, but I don't care about that. It's the
Speaker 2: suspension that would bother me. And I guess you get fair.
Speaker 2: You know, of these expensive cars have air suspension that's
Speaker 2: very expensive to replace.
Speaker 1: That's that's totally fair. I guess it just also kind
Speaker 1: of depends on how you want to use it and
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. I admit that I am not
Speaker 1: too too fussy about everything being perfect because I don't
Speaker 1: actually think anything is perfect, and I you know, I'm
Speaker 1: far more interested in using something for fun. If you're
Speaker 1: going to invest in a car, and they are investments,
Speaker 1: no matter what you what, you know you're you're putting
Speaker 1: money toward it, you might as well get some fun
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 2: Last two weeks. I spent the I spent my downtime
Speaker 2: on my diving vacation rereading Zen and the Art of Motorcycles.
Speaker 1: Oh, I need to reread that. It didn't stand up.
Speaker 1: It was good. Yeah, I need to read it million
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: It's still so good. I mean, the author clearly was
Speaker 2: had one screw loose.
Speaker 1: I feel like most motorcycle people do, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I loved it as kind of a rebuttal
Speaker 2: to what's the name of the guy who used to
Speaker 2: be the editor in chief of Wired and for some
Speaker 2: reason Bloomberg had him write like a guest essay on motorcycling.
Speaker 2: Oh uh, Gideon Litchfield. He had taken it like a
Speaker 2: cross country trip and he was just like, hates motorcycling.
Speaker 2: So I have no idea why he did it in
Speaker 2: the first place. But yeah, he was complaining about the
Speaker 2: Blue Ridge Highway, like of how dangerous it was. The
Speaker 2: maximum speed limit is thirty five and there are no
Speaker 2: other cars on it.
Speaker 1: You know, I will say, that's it's funny you bring
Speaker 1: that up, because we've discussed that story at length recently
Speaker 1: in these past few days. As we're talking about the
Speaker 1: year going forward with pursuits. And that story was part
Speaker 1: of this new thing we have at Bloomberg called the
Speaker 1: Weekend Edition. And the whole point of the weekend edition
Speaker 1: is sort of to take a step back and widen
Speaker 1: the aperture. And you know, during the week we're talking
Speaker 1: about very focused things and focused pursuits. But during the weekend,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to take a step back and breathe.
Speaker 1: And but I'm glad you read it, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: we're talking about it. And that story did very well
Speaker 1: for the weekend edition.
Speaker 2: Well you know why it did well. Why because so
Speaker 2: many people were angry about it.
Speaker 1: It got hate reads, yes.
Speaker 2: And I'm not glad I read it because it still
Speaker 2: makes me feel a little bit sick, like my chest
Speaker 2: is a little bit tight when I think about why
Speaker 2: would someone do something like that, Like a guy who
Speaker 2: just doesn't clearly doesn't understand motorcycling, doesn't enjoy motorcycling. He's
Speaker 2: riding a great bike on one of the best roads
Speaker 2: in the country and he's and he's not and he's
Speaker 2: not enjoying it. He said he couldn't wait to get
Speaker 2: back to a traffic packed highway. That's the last person
Speaker 2: you want to ask to write a story about motorcycling, why.
Speaker 1: Don't you ride a Rebuttal honestly because because that's.
Speaker 2: A great road. I've ridden that run on my two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven Ducatti Monster S fourrs. And it was
Speaker 2: an absolute joy. Took that road down to North Carolina
Speaker 2: where Olans has like its American office, and I got
Speaker 2: the suspension redone and it's like the least dangerous place
Speaker 2: you could ride a motorcycle there. Yeah, isn't anyone else around.
Speaker 2: If you fall off, you're just gonna skid to the
Speaker 2: corner slowly because you know, unless you're doing double the
Speaker 2: speed limit, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would love for you to ride a Rebuttal. And
Speaker 1: I have to say even I'll take the hate reads.
Speaker 1: I'm glad it got people talking. I'm glad it got
Speaker 1: you thinking and reading something that would cleanse your mind
Speaker 1: from all of the anks that you felt when you
Speaker 1: read it. At least it's sparking some sort of reaction.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. By the way, the move to
Speaker 2: video would be a fantastic I know one, not only
Speaker 2: because we could show you know, the uhlen Hout or
Speaker 2: the Streamliner, but I would like to be able to
Speaker 2: show the new Aston Martin Vanquish, which you wrote a
Speaker 2: story about. And I not only did I love the story,
Speaker 2: I love the pictures as well. I love the color.
Speaker 1: I know the color is super nova red and it
Speaker 1: does cost quite a pretty penny to get it. It's
Speaker 1: a hand painted color. And if I'm remembering right, the
Speaker 1: price tag just on the paint chab job alone was
Speaker 1: the thirteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little more. I think it was thirteen and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: Was it thirteen and a half? Yeah, thirteen six. I
Speaker 1: just found it, Yeah, thirteen six. It's such a gorgeous car.
Speaker 1: And really the takeaway the headline on that is and
Speaker 1: this is true. This is the first Aston Martin that
Speaker 1: I've been in that I felt it was as special
Speaker 1: as a Ferrari. Amazing, and I'll and you know what,
Speaker 1: I actually I said that to somebody and they texted
Speaker 1: it back to me and I was like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: I just said it. I hadn't. It just came out.
Speaker 1: I was talking about the car and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a special and she texted
Speaker 1: it back to me and I'm like, oh, wow, did
Speaker 1: I say that, and I was like, oh, I did
Speaker 1: say that, and that's actually I stand by that. That's
Speaker 1: the truth. They did it good gosh. It's expensive, you know.
Speaker 1: The one that I drove starts at four hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty nine thousand dollars, starts there, and then with options
Speaker 1: like that thirteen thousand dollars amazing paint job went to
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty thousand dollars. But it's a great car.
Speaker 1: I think it's the best one we've seen from them
Speaker 1: so to date.
Speaker 2: So the Vanquish was it's only occasionally been available, right
Speaker 2: and has it not been available since like twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1: That's that's correct. They've used that name plate a couple
Speaker 1: of times, first, you know, from two thousand and one
Speaker 1: to two thousand and seven, and then again from twenty
Speaker 1: twelve to twenty eighteen. I believe that it's always been
Speaker 1: a V twelve. It's a two seat only coop. One
Speaker 1: of the new things this year is it's they're only
Speaker 1: offering two seats. I think previous iterations did offer a
Speaker 1: back seat. But yeah, I think it's obviously it's a
Speaker 1: great name for an Aston Martin. I'm glad they brought
Speaker 1: the name plate back. I'm glad they're staying with the
Speaker 1: V twelve. I'm sure you are too. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is using two turbos. Before it was in it
Speaker 1: was naturally aspirated. So that's a bit of a change.
Speaker 2: Doesn't bother me though, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna ask about that. Why doesn't that bother you?
Speaker 2: Because it's a GT car and I know I'm not
Speaker 2: getting it with a stick, although they have they have
Speaker 2: the ability clearly to do it, because they've offered a
Speaker 2: few special editions of that mode which they claim are
Speaker 2: sold out with a stick.
Speaker 1: But okay, the Velora and the Valiant.
Speaker 2: But it's it's not like that kind of.
Speaker 1: It's not that kind of car car, and it doesn't need.
Speaker 2: It's very big. This is one thing about really big cars.
Speaker 2: I don't need them to be a stick. I like
Speaker 2: a stick in a sports car.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so that's that seems sensible of you. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the high notes on this are it does
Speaker 1: feel very special. It is big, you know. Of course,
Speaker 1: we had a park next to a twenty fourteen Turbo
Speaker 1: and it really sort of dwarfs the nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: It makes a nine to eleven look small, and it does.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit heavier, but it's really the ride
Speaker 1: is great. It's it's you know, on Mulholland. Now they've
Speaker 1: put in speed bumps, which is really annoying, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's comfortable on uneven roads. It's not just completely jarring,
Speaker 1: you know, like GT. Three for instance. It's very nice
Speaker 1: to drive. To your point, I thought the interior was
Speaker 1: so much better than previous aston Martin's happened. They're just
Speaker 1: sort of continually improving there, which has been really a
Speaker 1: challenge for them. But I do feel like they're kind
Speaker 1: of nosing no pun intended in the right direction. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I like that. I like, yes, I like it.
Speaker 1: I think they can definitely lean into sort of that
Speaker 1: signature look.
Speaker 2: I love the look. I saw it at the at
Speaker 2: their sort of sales studio here Q. I think it's
Speaker 2: called on fifty seventh in Park And I mean they
Speaker 2: just had one in a room with a designer and
Speaker 2: I think the engineer with whom you spoke also for
Speaker 2: your story with I'm in Newton exactly. And yeah, so
Speaker 2: I just got to, you know, look at it for
Speaker 2: like a twenty minutes or a half hour, and it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2: All Aston Martins are gorgeous, but it's very special. And
Speaker 2: I wonder what you think about the plate on the
Speaker 2: back you.
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you about that.
Speaker 2: I would rather have it in a color that's closer
Speaker 2: to the color of the car, or i'd rather the
Speaker 2: car in the color closer. I don't like that too
Speaker 2: much contrast, but I think it's cool. Yeah you think.
Speaker 1: I actually I agree with you on that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me to see it, and it's sort of I
Speaker 1: don't want to say two tone, because it's certainly not that,
Speaker 1: but in a high contrast color ways. But I would
Speaker 1: be very very curious to see the car in a
Speaker 1: dark slate gray or something, maybe even a midnight and
Speaker 1: have that black carbon shield across the back. That would
Speaker 1: probably look real mean and cool. I do also love
Speaker 1: what they did with the rear, the rear tail lights,
Speaker 1: the how they stacked them vertically. They're like notches kind
Speaker 1: of stacked. I thought that's cool. I like a signature
Speaker 1: tail light in general, for for cars, because you're assuming
Speaker 1: everyone's behind you anyway, So I like that. I thought
Speaker 1: that was cool. I don't know, it just it just
Speaker 1: felt I'll tell you one thing, I was very I
Speaker 1: was a lot less likely to just whip it around with,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of erratically like you may do on
Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard, because it felt more like a Ferrari. I
Speaker 1: didn't you know, in a nine to eleven you can
Speaker 1: whip things around. It's great. This felt more like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to be careful, you know. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to scratch any splitter. It doesn't have a lift, it
Speaker 1: doesn't need a lift for the front at all. But
Speaker 1: you know, I was just way more aware that, ooh,
Speaker 1: this is this is a big car. It's got a
Speaker 1: long nose, it's got that front splitter. I saw this
Speaker 1: bright red Camark parked opposite me on Sunset and I
Speaker 1: was like, ah, I needed the photo photo, and you know,
Speaker 1: did not flip around, though in a different car we
Speaker 1: might have. But it was just like, I can't whip
Speaker 1: this around. It's too much of a precious thing. It's
Speaker 1: just it's sort of that feeling that you definitely feel
Speaker 1: seen in it. I don't think it's outrageous though, it's
Speaker 1: it's cool.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's gorgeous. I'm looking at now the pictures
Speaker 2: in your story, and I kind of wanted to make
Speaker 2: one of screensaver it's so good.
Speaker 1: Which one is it?
Speaker 2: Just the one where it's parked on the brick driveway?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the front, Yes, it's where I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: And I know this, you know what I mean. Twenty
Speaker 2: grand the carbon like the car starts at four thirty.
Speaker 2: This one was five sixty. The carbon packages alone, I
Speaker 2: think added like forty grand for sure. Price.
Speaker 1: Oh well, the interior carbon package was like over twenty
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars. And that's just the interior and not
Speaker 1: all of the interior that's like doors and dash So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely priced up there. And all of this is
Speaker 1: part of Aston's strategy to increase profits and get some
Speaker 1: cash in their coffers. Although I have to say, our
Speaker 1: good friend Steve Sario did point out to me that
Speaker 1: Aston Martin's in the nineties. When you compare their pricing,
Speaker 1: we're really about the same if you're talking exchange rates,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he I'm trying to remember which
Speaker 1: he told me.
Speaker 2: I will say that the so I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: carbon fiber roof was like five grand. And then as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, the interior package is twenty two, basically twenty seven.
Speaker 2: The upper body carbon fiber is another seventeen, so you're
Speaker 2: at forty four, and then the lower body is another seventeen,
Speaker 2: so you're at sixty one, and then another exterior carbon
Speaker 2: fiber package was twelve, So seventy three seventy three grand
Speaker 2: in carbon fiber. That's insane.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. It doesn't even look that like
Speaker 1: it's that much on the car. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: like the car is you know, nose to tail carbon fiber.
Speaker 1: It's like it looks actually like, oh, pretty classy. There's
Speaker 1: a touch there, there's a touch there, you know. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a lot of carbon fiber, but it's
Speaker 1: not like full carbon fiber hood.
Speaker 2: It's you know, they really contrive. They what they want
Speaker 2: to do is get the kind of margins.
Speaker 1: That Ferrari has. Everyone wants to be Ferrari and.
Speaker 2: That Porsche was aiming for it. By the way, portion
Speaker 2: missed big on margins.
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Because we don't have to talk about it. But it's
Speaker 2: another example of a manufacturer that is going to take
Speaker 2: a huge loss, I think an eight hundred million dollar
Speaker 2: right down this year because of their because of their
Speaker 2: exploration of evs, right, And I don't hate all EV's.
Speaker 1: No, and this is a great segue. I know where
Speaker 1: you're going with this.
Speaker 2: I would, I would. I love the Kia EV nine
Speaker 2: for example.
Speaker 1: I love the EV nine and I love the five hundred.
Speaker 1: The Fiat five hundred.
Speaker 2: E me too great.
Speaker 1: And I actually also loved the Rolls Royce Specter. I
Speaker 1: had another that well, you'd love it. You would love it,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah. And I also didn't hate the Dodge
Speaker 1: Charger EV.
Speaker 2: So and I'm excited to see some like of the
Speaker 2: new E Rev. Speaking of Dodge, you know they're they're
Speaker 2: coming out with one. But all this to say, I
Speaker 2: don't hate all EV's. M hmm, there are some that
Speaker 2: I like. And because we got an email from someone
Speaker 2: who said I'm biased against you.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, fair, I want to discuss that. But I
Speaker 1: want to put a pin on this Portia. We've seen
Speaker 1: this unfolding for nearly a year now and it's fascinating
Speaker 1: and I do have quite a large story that we've
Speaker 1: been working on about it. So watch this space because
Speaker 1: by the way, I.
Speaker 2: Keep thinking that, I keep thinking, now's the time to
Speaker 2: buy Portia shares. I would never give investment advice. The
Speaker 2: only time I ever have it was wrong, horribly wrong.
Speaker 2: And I'm not allowed to buy shares in companies that
Speaker 2: I report on, so I won't be sure really allowed to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just like all the other things that I want to buy.
Speaker 2: But I keep thinking, Okay, they can't get any worse.
Speaker 2: They're down thirty percent over the last twelve months. They're
Speaker 2: down half since the IPO. If you bought P nine
Speaker 2: to eleven shares of the IPO, you've lost half of
Speaker 2: your money.
Speaker 1: And that was the largest none, that was the largest
Speaker 1: IPO in Germany in like two decades. I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was considered a wild success.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, Barry Ritholts always says
Speaker 2: when you want to buy a product, think about buying
Speaker 2: the stock instead, Like if you want to buy an
Speaker 2: Apple MacBook, right, you should just money stock and you'd
Speaker 2: be doing much better off of Portie, right, because if
Speaker 2: you wanted to buy the stock and instead you just
Speaker 2: ordered a.
Speaker 1: GT three, at least you can drive it.
Speaker 2: You're in the money too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I mean, just hang on in the line.
Speaker 1: I would never ever ever count Porsia out those guys
Speaker 1: have this German Schwabian grit and determination, and yeah they
Speaker 1: are down right now, but they are definitely not out.
Speaker 1: You know, I think if you can hold on and
Speaker 1: be patient, we will, Like you say, I guess if
Speaker 1: you could buy stock.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm well, I'm not saying you're.
Speaker 1: Not get you know, you're not saying that.
Speaker 2: No, No stock is getting so crushed today because the
Speaker 2: margins are only like twelve percent, and most carmakers dream
Speaker 2: of margins like that, right, but they're not the seventeen
Speaker 2: or nineteen percent that you would have hoped at the IPO.
Speaker 2: But so the email, let's talk about it. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: stoked on it.
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, so this is from Dean. I guess we
Speaker 1: could say first names. That's safe, right, Dean.
Speaker 2: Thank you for writing on his substack.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what's the substack called Portico.
Speaker 2: Darwin Portico Darwin dot substack dot com.
Speaker 1: Yes, thanks for writing to us. Dean in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Dean said he loved our podcast, but he doesn't like
Speaker 1: the anti EV bias.
Speaker 2: Which is a fair criticism.
Speaker 1: Actually, do you think it? Do you think we we
Speaker 1: are a little anti EV?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are, and maybe more than we should be.
Speaker 1: I would I would say I was surprised to hear that,
Speaker 1: because I'm all about the right tool for the job,
Speaker 1: and I do not care really what's under the hood.
Speaker 1: Matt cares. Matt cares about his v especially, I truly
Speaker 1: don't care. I I just want good things, and my
Speaker 1: criticism of EV's has just been that there. I just
Speaker 1: haven't seen some good ones. But I have seen a few,
Speaker 1: a few that are good. But it's fair, it's fair,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I found it more interesting that that's what
Speaker 1: he's getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I just for me, I like
Speaker 2: what I you know, I have my preferences just like
Speaker 2: everyone else. But that doesn't mean I don't think there
Speaker 2: are some.
Speaker 1: Really good EV cars completely.
Speaker 2: Including Tesla. You loved the cyber truck, by the way,
Speaker 2: I yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought honestly, I thought it was. I have no
Speaker 1: problem with it, you know, I I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot better than I anticipated. And I
Speaker 1: loved how and I've said this before, how kids especially
Speaker 1: got so excited about it. And I am a thousand
Speaker 1: percent behind vehicles that evoke an emotional emotional reaction, because
Speaker 1: most of them don't.
Speaker 2: I also love I drove the gm SE Sierra EV
Speaker 2: and I absolutely adored driving it. The Hummer EV.
Speaker 1: As, Oh yeah, that was fine.
Speaker 2: Yes, kind of it makes a statement that I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily want to make, but I really enjoyed. I like
Speaker 2: to drive big heavy vehicles in the massive battery two
Speaker 2: hundred killot battery packs. So you and I also like,
Speaker 2: you know, like you mentioned, the Fiat five hundred EV
Speaker 2: is such a great little get around.
Speaker 1: Her honestly perfect, perfect thing. Yeah, perfect thing. I thought
Speaker 1: it was just very well executed, priced fairly. I love
Speaker 1: the heritage, of course. I just thought, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1: I but I do I will say I don't actually think,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, if you want to do
Speaker 1: the best thing for the world right now, I would
Speaker 1: just not buy anything. Don't consume, yes to me. And
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea that we have to consume
Speaker 1: and buy something else that is not actually green. There's
Speaker 1: way too much stuff in the world in general, and
Speaker 1: I just don't like being force fed the idea that
Speaker 1: you've got to buy something else and consume this other
Speaker 1: product in order to be somehow quote unquote good. That
Speaker 1: just is not inaccurate.
Speaker 2: Totally agree with blossophy, and I also agree with Dean
Speaker 2: that I'm too biased again and I will try to
Speaker 2: be less.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to be aware of that. Thanks. Thanks,
Speaker 1: we loved your letter, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2: We have we got another. By the way, our email address.
Speaker 1: Is hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to remind our listeners to shoot us
Speaker 2: emails because we do read them and we find them fascinating.
Speaker 2: We got one from another guy, Declan, who is looking
Speaker 2: for Goodwood Revival tips. And I think what we're gonna
Speaker 2: do is I think what we should do is study
Speaker 2: a little bit and then report back, report back next week.
Speaker 1: It's a great question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great question. And I would
Speaker 2: I just imagine mister enthusiasts at Goodwood Revival in a jumpsuit.
Speaker 1: You know, oh my goodness, he'll be so happy to
Speaker 1: hear his name mentioned. And you know he will be
Speaker 1: in a jumpsuit, yeah, underneath his raccoon for a coat.
Speaker 2: If it's a little chilli, he'll be wearing a raccoon
Speaker 2: for a coat.
Speaker 1: Which with a watch on each wrist.
Speaker 2: I'm very much for the raccoon for a coat.
Speaker 1: Look, you need one, Matt. Why can't we all get
Speaker 1: one Team Raccoon for a coats.
Speaker 2: I would definitely wear one for sure.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that. I'm Matt Miller, and I'm
Speaker 1: Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg