1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Chip. This is like, I can't even tell you how 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: exciting the last this Week's interview was for me. Like 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: there are probably I don't know that there's many people 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: who would have made me nerd out so much. And 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: I was actually like physically nervous to where my voice 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: was shaking at the beginning of the interview. 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like they say, don't meet your heroes 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: for a reason. 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: I know, And it's so wild because my literal job 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: is working with celebrities. So it's not like I get 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: like starstruck. I really I only get starstruck when I 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: see people like Dolly Parton, like legends. 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: You know that I could you I cannot believe that. 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and just like she's epic, it's Dolly like 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: people like that. But yeah, it's just different. 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: You don't you didn't want to feel like a fool 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: in front of someone whose work you respect in a 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 3: different on a difference, Well that's the deal. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: It's the work that I respect so much and the 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: way that he handles the work like ethically and he 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: talks so openly about it. We're just very aligned on 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 1: values too, and so I. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: Was just so excited just keep it in your pants 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: d aligned. 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: He's so aligned with me. I don't know, why did 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: you ask? 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: He looks like he's married, you sick, and I'm in 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: a Relationhis not like that at all. It's more like 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: for I just was so excited to be able to 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: collab with him, and yeah, you're just kind of in awe. 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he has such a gift with the way 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: that he can read people, and he's a medium and 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff. He's such a good writer with all 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: the books, but just down to earth and cool and 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm just sort of in all. I don't know, I'm 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: so excited. That's like who I want. Who I get 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: really excited to talk to these days. Anyway, we're talking 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: about John Edward. I guess I should clear the listeners 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: in on what we're even talking about. But this week 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: on the podcast, John Edward, who he is very much 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: in the like public world. He had a show called 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: crossing Over way back in the day, and if you 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: guys listen to the Bonnie Hammer episode, you heard her 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: say that she was the one who really got that 45 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: show on the air, like got NBC to sign on 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: and do that show on the I think it was 47 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: on the Sci Fi Network back in the day, which 48 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: just goes to show you how they ranked psychic readings. 49 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: It was on the Sci Fi Network, right, yeah, and 50 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: she really had to fight for him to get that show. 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: But was so interesting because I had read a book 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: of his before I did that interview with Bonnie, and 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: I had reached out via DM but he doesn't respond 54 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: to DMS. So I was like, how am I ever 55 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: going to get in touch with this guy? I really 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: want to have him on the podcast. And then there 57 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: comes Bonnie the University Universe and just really setting me up, 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: which was Yeah, it was amazing. So anyway, John Ey. 59 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: He mentioned Laurie Levine, who was a talent booker on the. 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: He yeah, I know her. 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: Oh what she There's a moment where he said that 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: he had to cancel an interview with Joan Rivers because 63 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: he had watched her like Hollywood True Story, and so 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: he had too much information to go into her reading 65 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: because he wanted to know less about her and. 66 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: See what I'm saying about the ethics. You see what 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 68 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, I had to call my 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: talent book for Laurie Levine, and he like so off 70 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: handily said it, and I was like, that name's so familiar, 71 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: and I looked her up. Yeah, she's at a company 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: called Flying Television. Oh yeah, so what a small world. 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: So no, truly, I thought. 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: It was funny because you also in the podcast talk 75 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: about all these like the domino effect of how it 76 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: even happened. And then I'm like, oh, well, there's the 77 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: way that we could have gotten too him. It was through 78 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: Lorie Levine. 79 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I gotta tell you, the hits keep on 80 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: coming with the synchronicities with me and him, because then 81 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: he's been out promoting the book Chasing You, which we're 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about in a second. And I was 83 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: in New York last week with a client on Kelly Clarkson. Well, 84 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: I literally am leaving the show, like I left Kelly 85 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: Clarkson to go straight to the airport because I had 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: to get back to Nashville for a gig. And I 87 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: see that he has posted because I'm on his app 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: called Evolved Plus. Now he's posted from Kelly Clarkson. He 89 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: was literally at the show the same time I was 90 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: on the same day being interviewed. I don't know how 91 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: we didn't see each other because it's like so small 92 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: in this game. 93 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you not even see like the placard 94 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: on his door? 95 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw Ethan Hawke and like that 96 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: was a weird I had like an interesting interaction with him. 97 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: But he's also one of those people that you can't 98 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: believe as a real person because you've grown up watching 99 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: him on stuff, you know, So it's a very surreal experience. 100 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: But no, I missed John Edward. I could not believe it, though, Like, 101 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: what are the that you're. 102 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: Friends with him? You can be like, sorry, I missed you. 103 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: Well, I emailed him and I was like, you're never 104 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: gonna believe this, not as like oh my god as 105 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: I was. He was like he was like, yeah, bitch, I. 106 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: That's the thing. Okay. 107 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: So this is another point about why I think I 108 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: was so nervous at the beginning. You know, when you 109 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: do interviews, and obviously when we come on the podcast, 110 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: you try to be as professional and as prepared as 111 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: you can, and so you're doing a conversation, and I 112 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: do like to keep these podcasts very conversational and real, 113 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: so I do think I lean more that way. But 114 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm also prepared. It's not like I just show up 115 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: and just chat and so with this one, though obviously 116 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: I wanted it to be great and I wanted to 117 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: do a good interview, but I also was like, can 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: he read that I'm nervous right now? And like, like 119 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: you start to really get in your head about him, 120 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: knowing even if you're acting very professional and put together 121 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: on the outside, that you're about to lose your shit 122 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: on the inside. Like I thought, there's nowhere to hide 123 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: from John Edward. He just knows everything. Yeah, he's omnipresent, 124 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: is what it feels like. 125 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: Could you imagine being married to him? 126 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: No, you could never get away or like his kid 127 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: think of about his kids trying to get away with 128 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: stuff and like trick their parents, you. 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: Know, when they're at an age where they don't understand 130 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: what psychic is. 131 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: He's like, my god said, you're lying. Yeah. Anyway, it's 132 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: super fascinating to talk to him. He's a fascinating human. 133 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: I really respect him, as you guys can probably tell. 134 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: But we talked a little bit about just psychic stuff 135 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: in general, and I wanted to talk a little bit 136 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: about that with you first, because that's a world that 137 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: I know you've heard me talk about for years and 138 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: some other friends of ours. But for you, you've just said, like, 139 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: I just haven't really dabbled. It's not really this world 140 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: that I'm comfortable with. And you were saying, I just 141 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: don't know. I know, he says, everyone's got like intuition 142 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: and stuff, but I don't know that it resonates for me. 143 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: So talk a little bit about what you were telling 144 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: me about that. 145 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I have been too mediums before and 146 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: experienced like what they're able to do. But the idea 147 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: that like everyone has it in them, what is it? 148 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: He said something like their mediums are born, not made, 149 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: and being psychic and having intuition are essentially the same thing. 150 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: It's just how much you are able to like sort 151 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: of trust your intuition and read into. 152 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: It and blah blah blah. 153 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: And I certainly have had like moments in my life 154 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: that I can look at and be like, I knew it, 155 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: I knew what my gut was telling me. 156 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: I fucking knew it. I knew it. I knew it. 157 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: I knew it. 158 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: But I also think that the part of my personality 159 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: that is just open and accepting and loving and wants 160 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: to believe the best in everyone has more control over 161 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: my overall being than I allow my gut to. That 162 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: sort of prevents me from like it even feeling like 163 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: a realistic thing that I ever might like have any 164 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: of those powers. I'm also non confrontational, so it's a 165 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: lot easier for me to accept things for the way 166 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: that I want to believe them than it is to 167 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: be like that bitch is a line and like just 168 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: calling somebody out. So it's easier for me just to 169 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: laugh things off. But you were telling me that in 170 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: terms of my astrology. 171 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Right, Oh my god, I love that you just transition 172 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: into that. 173 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: I got my pisces up in here, I got some 174 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: scorpio up in here somewhere on my roof. I don't 175 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: know where you said it is in my house, but. 176 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: It's in your top three. So chip is a sun scorpio, 177 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: Pisce's moon scorpio rising. So it's literally what I was 178 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: saying to you is those are two of the most 179 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: psychic placements or signs, and you have them in your 180 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: top three, defining your personality a lot, you know, and 181 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: so you should be one of the more intuitive or 182 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: that's one of the more like most intuitive readings that 183 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: I've seen I mean as far as like water placements 184 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: in general, they say are way more tapped in because 185 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: we feel everything, Like, right, if you walk into a room, 186 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna sense the energy of the room ahead 187 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: of time. But you said, I just wonder if I'm 188 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: not tapped in, And I actually think that that's interesting, 189 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: especially thinking back to like our Enneagram conversation a couple 190 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. And you have your seven, right, and 191 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: so a seven doesn't really want to like sit and 192 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: dive deep into stuff, which it would take for you 193 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: to tap into your intuition, Like you have to sit 194 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: in quiet probably and like learn how to work with 195 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: it and stuff like that, meditate, do all those kind 196 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: of things. And I don't know that you sit enough 197 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: to give yourself that space. 198 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: But you look a while back to our Andrea conversation 199 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: last week, that's true. 200 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Need to put it in my calendar. 201 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Let yourself be bored, yeah, yep, into your intuition, yeah, 202 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: or put it in your calendar to really start trying 203 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: to listen to your body. But yeah, it's just interesting 204 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that you could have such wiring for that and not 205 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: really feel like you're intuitive at all. 206 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've definitely. 207 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: There have been, like I said, moments where I'm like, 208 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: I fucking knew I knew it, Or there are times 209 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: when I'm like in a group setting, I'll pick up 210 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: that's some one's energy is really off when seemingly no 211 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: one else is noticing it. Then I try to like 212 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: placate that person in a way or try to make 213 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: them happier or whatever it is, or you know, try 214 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: to make like just be a little bit more sensitive 215 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 3: to how they're feeling. But I've never thought of that 216 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: as psychic. I just thought I've always thought of it 217 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: as like, oh, everyone else is too drunk to like 218 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: be picking up what this person's putting down, or or 219 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: I'll catch the way that something is said and see 220 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: how it's received by somebody. But I've never thought about 221 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: that as like psychic, just more observant than anything. 222 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, psychic is I think a late word 223 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: that when it's given as the label, a lot of 224 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: people check out pretty quickly. It's the same as you 225 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: witch doctor exactly. It's so woo woo, And it's similar 226 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: to how I think you the second essay, well, in 227 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: your astrology, you're like, lu, what is she talking? About. 228 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: So it's a similar thing to me, whereas you use 229 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: the word intuition, that maybe you could relate a little 230 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: bit more or identify it more, because what you just 231 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: said is exactly what I was talking about, and I 232 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: think maybe you're just not giving it the label of oh, 233 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: I'm sensing, I intuiting even like those moments, You're right, 234 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: not everybody is going to pick up on that or 235 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: even notice it or anything like that. And so those 236 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: are the things that you're picking up on in a 237 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: social setting or being around other people intuitively, but you 238 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: don't have to say psychic. That's why I asked him 239 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast, like the difference between 240 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: people having a strong psychic knowing or intuition versus people 241 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: who should actually do readings right, because I find I know, 242 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: I'm an intuitive human, but I don't think I should 243 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: be doing readings for people. I tell people sometimes when 244 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: I like sense things, but I'm never like, oh my god, 245 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm sensing this for you, and you know, let me 246 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: offer up this tidbit about your life or right right, yeah, 247 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: being that I feel like I'm sensing for you or 248 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: anything like that, Like I don't think that that's how 249 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: hasn't been in my skill set so far. 250 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: Not to keep throwing it back to last week's but 251 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: like the chaos in my life, the last thing I 252 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: need is to. 253 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: Start hearing voices and spirit guides. And that's just. 254 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: Like being a medium, right, Like I just don't need 255 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: to dead people. 256 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't need any of that. 257 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Like I don't need a sixth cent. I'm good with 258 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: the five. 259 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes I wish that I only had four. 260 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: Well, John came on the podcast to talk about his 261 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: new book, Chasing Evil, which was so good. I told 262 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: him I listened in two days and it goes by 263 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: so fast. But if you're a person who enjoys like 264 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: a dateline or anything like that, I highly, highly highly 265 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: recommend this book or just anything suspenseful in general. Like 266 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: you want to keep listening because you're trying to figure 267 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: out are they going to solve these cases? But he 268 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: basically worked with a FBI agent for twenty plus years 269 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: helping him solve murder mysteries, and they solved a bunch 270 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: of them that I'm not sure the FBI would have 271 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: ever solved without John. Like, it's fascinating when you listen 272 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: to the book, the tidbits that he was giving were 273 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: the things that would make them find the body or 274 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: help them know what the killer was doing and things 275 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: like that. And it's I always wondered, before even having 276 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: this conversation with him, why wouldn't the police or the 277 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: FBI or anybody like that use someone like a John 278 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: to solve these mysteries often? Yeah, like why is that 279 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: not a thing? It seems like it should be a thing. 280 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: So I'm glad that he's putting it out because maybe 281 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: that is something we need in our society to be 282 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: more acceptable. Because he said he didn't talk about it 283 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: forever because the FBI agent Robert Hillan or Bob Hillan, 284 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: and even his dad, John's dad, who was a cop, 285 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: were like, don't bring that into the police world, like 286 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: cops will not get this psychic thing, you know, and 287 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: they were very skeptical. So it was very interesting to 288 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: hear the change that happened throughout the book with Bob's 289 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: experience with John and him actually helping and like how 290 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: they evolve together. It's really it's really really good. It 291 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: becomes like almost a spiritual book. But it starts as 292 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: like dateline and then into spirit which is all the 293 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: combination of things. So it's just interesting to see how 294 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: you can use intuitive knowings and all of those spiritual 295 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: things that we're working on in tangible ways in this life. 296 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I think the proof of concept 297 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: will help with pushing that forward. And obviously to solve 298 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: a crime you have to have hard evidence too. It 299 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: can't just be like well, Gina over here says that 300 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: she thinks that so clearly, whatever his intuitions were that 301 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: were leading them, they were finding like real evidence that 302 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: would support the story. And I mean, having not listened 303 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: to the book, I'm sort of speaking out of my ass, 304 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: but like I would imagine if they kept coming back 305 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: to him and he was able to do it over 306 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: and over and over again, there was tangible things that 307 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: were oh yeah, evidence that could be used in court 308 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: to solve the crime. 309 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's crazy to me that that's not 310 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: more of a thing I wondered. 311 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: You know, when we were growing up, there was like 312 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: Miss Cleo and all that shit that was on television, 313 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: the rap that people that have psychic abilities must have 314 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: because of the clowns like that that were just trying 315 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: to profit off of people's curiosities and they're just kind 316 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: of telling people what they want to hear and profiting. 317 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Off of it. 318 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: She got busted for being legit, and so I think 319 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: that probably did add to people's skepticism. But then and 320 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: when John did his show Crossing Over, I think he 321 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: got a lot of hate and a lot of skeptics 322 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of people being just mean and rude 323 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: about what he was doing and not believing in it. 324 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: But he's still stood strong and moved forward, and now 325 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: he's got multiple books and all the things. I actually 326 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: watched him on a live on that the Evolved Plus 327 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: app last night and he did a reading for someone. 328 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: It was wild to watch. I mean, he just immediately 329 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: was talking to her dead sister and things like that, 330 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: which I know sounds scary to people. But and the 331 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: first time I there's a guy in Nashville called Frank Castellano. 332 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Is that Frank Lesson? Yeah? Yeah, he's both seen Frank, Yeah, 333 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: the Spirit chrystalis and I've Frank's actually been on the podcast. 334 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: I forgot that. Actually, this was when I first started 335 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: the podcast, and the second I walked in, I was 336 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: very skeptical. I was like, oh, let's see what this 337 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: is about. This is before I kind of got on 338 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: my own spiritual journey and my grandfather had just crossed 339 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: over and came through and this stuff. He was saying, like, 340 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: that's where people go, oh, well, he could just google that. 341 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: There's no way it was a characteristics and personality traits 342 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: of my grandfather that there's no way he would find 343 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: that information anywhere unless he knew my grandfather, you know. 344 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: And so I immediately started sobbing and just kind of 345 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: bought in after that because it's like, well, there's no 346 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: way he could know that. And it definitely started to 347 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I was with my grandfather very 348 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: near his death, and so it definitely started to feel 349 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: like we were connected energetically. Now I have a whole 350 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: nother understanding of it, and I feel it all the time. 351 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, I can see why At first for people 352 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: it's bizarre, and then when you actually have an instance 353 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: like what I was talking about last night, and then 354 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: my experience where there's just no way that they could 355 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: know that, it does have you going Okay, well there's 356 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: got to be something to this. 357 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 358 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: I had a very similar experience with Frank, and trust me, 359 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: it's like I'm one of those people that wants to 360 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: poke holes in things. 361 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: Well I did too. 362 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I want to believe it, but I also 363 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: want to poke holes. I mean maybe that's the end 364 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: to it and make you know, like I want to 365 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 3: like be trusting my gut too. 366 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: It's very SiO of you. 367 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: He said things about both of my grandparents and I'm like, 368 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 3: no one would know. Yeah, but he talked about my 369 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 3: grandfather fixing watches. That is not something that you could find. 370 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: First of all, there's nothing about my grandfather except for 371 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: his name, and you know his obituary at this point 372 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 3: on the internet, so good luck googling his life. 373 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: And then he said something. 374 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: He brought up something about my grandmother that never had 375 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: occurred to me, but when he said it, it made 376 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 3: me burst into tears. Like he was like, your grandmother 377 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: was kind, she loved everyone. She was like, you know, 378 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 3: the kind of grandmother that baked. But your grandmother never baked. 379 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: It made me think, like, no, Mama never baked. She 380 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: made fudge, that was it. 381 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, she never baked, Yeah. 382 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: Which I thought was I mean, look, could that have 383 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: been a lucky thing? 384 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely? But I feel like most grandma's probably baked. 385 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it's the way. I mean with my grandfather, 386 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: it was he would talk so specifically about the way 387 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: he screwed in a light bulb, and if you knew 388 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: anything about my grandfather, it was so spot on. Yeah, 389 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It's like the personality pieces. I 390 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: think this in this day and age, we're so skeptical 391 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: because people can google anything and figure out, you know, 392 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: things about you. But our grandparents were before that time, 393 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: so that wasn't the case. One of the other things 394 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: we talked about from that book was because you know, 395 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: intuition is a big part of it, but then there's 396 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: also this like karmic piece of the justice piece, and 397 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: John and I both have so much libra in our chart, 398 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: and so we talked about how tricky it can be 399 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: when you have this knowing and just having to sit 400 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: in that or with him. It was like knowing that 401 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: someone had been murdered terribly but like he hadn't been 402 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: given the way to make it right, or there was 403 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: this one person that maybe they weren't gonna find, you know, 404 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: and there's just all of these things like this battle 405 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: of justice. Do you have that thing in you like 406 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that you have it like I have it. 407 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: I have an experienced I don't think. 408 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: I don't think I do. 409 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't think of an example where I 410 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: could point to that where I've experienced it. 411 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: What do you think about karma? What do you think 412 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: about karma? 413 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: I want to believe in karma because I do think 414 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: that people that do bad things, like I just it's 415 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: all We're all energy, you know, So if you're putting 416 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 3: bad energy back into the world, I would hope that 417 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: it comes back into Maaxhew in the face in the 418 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 3: same way that if you are doing kind things for 419 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: people and that's the energy you're putting out. 420 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: In the world, that you'll be repaid with that. 421 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: Like and I don't know if that's just me being Pollyanna, 422 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: but like maybe that's what like drives me to be 423 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: kind and so I need that, you know, sort of 424 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: recipe of my life. 425 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: But I think it's real. 426 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I won't say the term 427 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: that I've used for myself, but I've also I've often 428 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: like asked my friends, like why am I so lucky? 429 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: You know, Like, what's the joke that's being played on 430 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: me that I got this life, and I think that's 431 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: it's I think the only explanation is good karma. 432 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, so I have a lot of things to say 433 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: to all this of you said about what I think 434 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: about this, and so this is just my interpretation. But 435 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: I think that my new understanding of karma is different 436 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: from where I was with it because I used to 437 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: be so scared, like, oh my god, anytime anything negative 438 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: in my life would happen, I would feel like it 439 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: was punishment for something, like to look at it as 440 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: the very like the judge and jury, just like the 441 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: mean God. Like. I just used to feel that way 442 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: a lot, and I've really shifted my narrative on that stuff. 443 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: But I look at karma now as more of like 444 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: the universe is always going to be working to balance, 445 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: and like we talk about it in our day to 446 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: day life. We talked about it when we were talking 447 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: about Andrea the other day, like or last week, that 448 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: we're constantly kind of working to find this like balance 449 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: in our life and it never stops. But I think 450 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: the universe is doing the same thing too, you and 451 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it ever stops. So if you don't 452 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: get that balance in this lifetime, I believe that it 453 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: would carry over into other lifetimes you live. And when 454 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: you're saying, like, why am I so lucky? Why do 455 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: I get this life? I don't know that you haven't 456 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: had hard lives before this. It's like, this lifetime is great. 457 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: And I say that all the time too. I'm like, 458 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: there's been some hardships in my life, for sure, but 459 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: I like this life, and so it's gonna be sad 460 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: when my soul leaves this body in this life because 461 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: it's great, you know, like, there's so many things that 462 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I love about this life. But I think it comes 463 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: with knowing that, yeah, there were some that weren't great, 464 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: and there's other ones that might be hard in the future, 465 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: but it's all about the lessons that our soul is 466 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: trying to learn. And so that's where the karma piece 467 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: comes in, because if we were acting a fool and 468 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: being cruel to all these people, like the reason it 469 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: would come back to you is so that you learn 470 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: what that feels like when you treat other people that way, 471 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: so that hopefully as you evolve, you're like, I don't 472 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: want to do that to them because it feels like 473 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: shit because I felt it now, so you create empathy, right, 474 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: the older we get as souls. I think that the 475 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: more empathy we come into this world with because we've 476 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: lived so many lifetimes as the asshole, as the fuck up, 477 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: as the whatever, the odd man out, and we don't 478 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: want to make other people feel that way. That's my 479 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: interpretation of that. 480 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's really interesting because it's also 481 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: like I I believe that people often hurt other people 482 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: when they're not meaning to, and so well, you know, 483 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 3: it's not intentional always to be an asshole. You're just 484 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: you're being selfish and it hurts other people and it 485 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: was like a result of like not even thinking. So 486 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: it's the universe's way of teaching that lesson to be 487 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 3: like yo, man, like stop being so fucking selfish like this. 488 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: This is what you're going to get. So you know 489 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 2: what it feels like, Oh. 490 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: You're saying later when if they would get to h when. 491 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: Karma does come back around, Like, look, do I believe 492 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: that there is real evil in the world and people 493 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 3: that are making choices to like harm others and to 494 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: make other people feel like shit? Yes, But I don't 495 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: think that every time that you harm somebody else or 496 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: hurt somebody else that it's not accidental, because I believe 497 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 3: that we all do make mistakes and we only hurt 498 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 3: each other. But that is in those moments, that's what 499 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: karma comes back around to teach you. 500 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: It helps me to think about it too, in that 501 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: that makes me feel more connected to everyone's journey, even 502 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: the people who I feel, you know, in this lifetime, 503 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: I've been like, they've treated me so bad, and how 504 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: how are they not getting theirs? First of all, I 505 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: don't know that they're not, Like I don't really know. 506 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: There's the people in my life that didn't treat me 507 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: well are no longer in my life, So who knows 508 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: what's happening in their life Because you can't judge by 509 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: social media. We have no idea, So they may be 510 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: balancing out in ways that I have no idea. And 511 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean if they wronged me that I'm 512 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: going to wrong them back. And that's how karma works. 513 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: It's like there will get the lesson, though at some 514 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: point will they accept it in this lifetime maybe not, 515 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: like I may never see it, you know, it might 516 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: be the next lifetime that they get the lesson and 517 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: they're like understanding how terrible certain actions make people feel, 518 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: like what you're saying, and I do think it's unintentional sometimes, 519 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: But the karma coming back to you is the teacher, 520 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: like you said, it's the aha moment of Oh, I 521 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: should be paying more attention to this action because now 522 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: that I'm on the other side of it, I see 523 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: how it makes people feel. 524 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, karma is a bit like there's 525 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 3: a reason why that that statement. 526 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: I think it's. 527 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: Also a gift though. It keeps us in check. It 528 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: keeps you in check of just not becoming a total 529 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: human monster, right, because if we didn't have karma, would 530 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: we ever treat people nicely? Like we would just be 531 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: where about ourselves? 532 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: Well, there's I mean, I mean, there's always consequences for 533 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 3: your actions. So I think consequences stop us from being 534 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: complete ship. 535 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: Bags all the time. 536 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: But karma isn't always instant, you know, where a lot 537 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 3: of times a consequence is instant, Like you punch somebody 538 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: on the playground, you're getting suspended. 539 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, But the karma is when you know slow burn. 540 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, You're you're walking down the street and a car 541 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 3: hits you and breaks your leg, you know, and you're like, oh, well, fuck. 542 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 3: I do think consequences keep us in check a little bit. 543 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 3: But karma is like, it's just it's sneaky, you know, 544 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 3: And I think it will come back around when you're 545 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 3: at least expecting it, but when the message is the 546 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: most clear. 547 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: Right, the more we say the word karma, all I 548 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: can think is karma is a cat. 549 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: That is karma coming around for Taylor Swift right now. 550 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 3: It's very weird. 551 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: Is just getting so much hate this is such a way. 552 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: I think it's because the expectations were different. 553 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: You know, like, so that's so unfair. 554 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 3: But at the same time, she's going to sell four 555 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: million records in the first week, like she's going to 556 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: break a record like, so, I mean, I think the 557 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: I think the hate is coming. The reason why I 558 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: have negativity towards her is because she is just milking 559 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 3: these fans for every fucking dollar what so she can 560 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: break a record? 561 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: Like how about make a better record? Sorry? 562 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: Oh so you don't like it either. 563 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: I think it's boring, you know, like in my I. 564 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: Laugh had it on and I've been listening and I said. 565 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: It's fine, is all it is. I expected more. 566 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: From producing albums since she was like thirteen, Like, I 567 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: get it. I know the amount of content she has 568 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: given people through the years. I'm like, I get it, 569 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: but then stop a single piece. Yeah, pause for a minute. 570 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: She could have pause, But I like it, like some 571 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: of the songs. And I said to our friend Courtney, 572 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe it's because I'm in love too 573 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: right now, Like just so you know, in my face 574 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: love that when I hear some of these songs that 575 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: fans are so annoyed, I'm just singing along right with her, 576 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: just in my cheesy love phase. 577 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 578 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 579 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 3: Maybe that I felt like lyrically it just did not 580 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 3: add up, and like the song would about Travis's penis 581 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: is just. 582 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: But I would have never picked up on that Beano. 583 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: Ca Arnie, like I think she's trying to be Sabrina Carpenter. 584 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, We digress, We digress. 585 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: But I do think it was karma coming around because 586 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: I think she's taken too much money from too many people. 587 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: She also, I don't know whatever, she gives a lot, 588 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: she's a lot away and I don't know that I 589 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: feel like she's fully doing that. But whatever, I don't 590 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: know her personally, so well. 591 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: I knew something was coming. 592 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way she's just dropping twelve songs, 593 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: and then yesterday she dropped you can listen to her demos. 594 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: She's selling the demos for twenty four hours, got it? 595 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 3: You know it's just to get to the sales record, 596 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: you know. 597 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's doing that. Well. I talked about so many 598 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: different things with John. I feel like we could go 599 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: on and on, but if you guys haven't listened to 600 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: that podcast, he talked a lot about like protecting your 601 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: energy and just more of tapping into your own intuition. 602 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: And we did break down the book as well. So 603 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: I just am obsessed with him. If you can't tell, 604 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure everyone can tell. I'm a huge fan. 605 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: He also gave a code for you guys if you 606 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: want to join the Evolved plus app, it's Cookie twenty 607 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: twenty five. You do it on your desktop and it 608 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: gives you a really, really big discount. If you want 609 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: to go check that out. I'm loving it. It took 610 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: me a minute to figure out how to work it, 611 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: and like to kind of surfit. It's different than other 612 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: scrolling apps or whatever, but they do a lot of 613 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: lives I just want it to be a very helpful 614 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: community and it's basically like what we're doing here as 615 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: far as topic wise, but they actually, you know, they 616 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: have these lives or you can go talk to the 617 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: people about it and you can talk to each other. 618 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: And I just I'm loving a community like that that is. 619 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: That's the kind of social media app I want where 620 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: we talk about this kind of spiritual stuff. We're analyzing 621 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: life like you and I do every week, and we're 622 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: actually trying to better ourselves and evolve, versus just tearing 623 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: people down and doing all the things that I'm saying 624 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: this on the heels of us analystic Taylor. 625 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: Or we're not it wasn't Yeah, yeah, true. 626 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: That's interesting because maybe that's the future of social media. 627 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: I do. 628 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: I do think when it started it was about it 629 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 3: was meant to bring people together for common experiences, but 630 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 3: it became just a cesspool of everybody, whereas maybe it 631 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: needs to be more niche like, music lovers go here, 632 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 3: film lovers go I mean, and I know that some 633 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: of these things exist already, but like, maybe we don't 634 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: need to be on the wane. I think so many 635 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: of us wanted to like feel popular well, it's. 636 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: Like, there's billions of people in this world. How do 637 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: we think that we were just all going to be aligned? 638 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: You know, like everyone has different life experiences. So go 639 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: find the fact that I'm on a group text right 640 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: now and I'm getting a text from you. Did you 641 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: forget it? Then I'm on that. 642 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: Hey, you're looking at your text too. 643 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: I am not. I got a notification saying Chip Doors 644 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: just texted you, and I'm like, no, he fucking didn't. 645 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: You did not You didn't know I was doing it? 646 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you tight, But you're so delusional about 647 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: your ability to do more than once. I can't double 648 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: task or whatever. My god, but you cannot single task 649 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: either because you can't focus. It's wild. Okay, Chip and 650 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: I are obviously going to need to go have a chat. 651 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: We will not make the listeners listen through that, but 652 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: you guys can always keep in touch with us at 653 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: the Edge at velvestedge dot com. I will put a 654 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: link to Chasing Evil and also put the Evolved plus 655 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: code in the description of this podcast. Go check out 656 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 1: all Things John Edward. Maybe you'll be as obsessed as me. 657 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: He's such seems like such a solid deal. 658 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: I'm definitely listening to that book. 659 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: I think you need to. I hope you do, and 660 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: then you'll have to report back to us. I mean, 661 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm telling you I did it in two days. It 662 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: was so fast for me because I couldn't turn it off. 663 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: I think I might have done one point five. I 664 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: do everything kind of a little bit faster, just because 665 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: it's they It takes away basically the spaces, but it 666 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: goes by so fast because you want to know what's 667 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: going to happen. You know, they leave you on a cliffhanger. 668 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: It's like binging a show basically. Anyway, check out Chasing Evil. 669 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: It's very good. You can also slide into my DMS. 670 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm at Velvet's. 671 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: Edge Chip, I'm at Chip doorsh's h I P D 672 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: O R S C H. 673 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: And our podcast Instagram is growing Chip and it's at 674 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge, So you guys go follow us along on 675 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: that as well. Velvet Touch Pod, isn't it Vetuch podcast? 676 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 2: Oh you just said Velvet Edge? 677 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Oh, well that's mine. Our joint podcast Instagram is at 678 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge podcast. Guys, Freudian Slip. I'm just trying to 679 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: get followers myself. 680 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: Karma's gonna come for you. Bitch. 681 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: Karma is just kidding. I'm just kidding, Universe. Okay. Anyway, 682 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: all of that will be in the description of this podcast. 683 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: So as you guys go into the weekend and you're 684 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: living on the edge, I hope you always remember too. 685 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: Bye casual, Bye bye