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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul.

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Speaker 2: Anka and my name is Skip Bronson.

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Speaker 3: We've been friends for decades and we've decided to let

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Speaker 3: you in on our late night phone calls by starting

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Speaker 3: a new podcast and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet some

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Speaker 1: real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: Your leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 3: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 3: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's just the study of a person. If

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Speaker 4: you take the time to study someone long enough, you

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Speaker 4: can better understand who they all. You know, that's kind

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Speaker 4: of always what I took away from it, So you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's worth having a longer conversation than the one

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Speaker 4: you were going to have with somebody, and maybe we

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Speaker 4: could all learn something from that.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Skippy, what's going on? Believe me? Uh? Just getting

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Speaker 5: over the Olympics. Yeah, really something kind of miss it, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I really miss it, But I'm excited. Man. You know,

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Speaker 5: my cousin, Mamoris Abraham, was a director on the Greg

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Speaker 5: in Your Show. And you know I'm a huge fan

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Speaker 5: of Greg anyways, great actor and here he's a wonderful

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Speaker 5: guy and anybody you have ever brought in here, they're exceptional.

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Speaker 5: But I'm going to ask him. I want to get

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Speaker 5: a read on my cousin because I never saw him

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Speaker 5: a lot and I didn't know. And hiss flame to

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Speaker 5: fame with me was I'm doing the Greg Kenneer Show.

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Speaker 5: I said, great, Morris, and then I never heard from

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Speaker 5: Morris for about a year. Oh Greg, Greg will love that.

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Speaker 6: He will love that when you tell him that.

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Speaker 5: But I know he's a good buddy of yours, and

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Speaker 5: you know, anybody of yours is open toward me. But

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Speaker 5: I'm really looking forward to it because you know, he's

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Speaker 5: that he's done. Everyone he's stepped up to being amazing,

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Speaker 5: and I'm looking forward to getting to know them because

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Speaker 5: you only hear good things about it. He's a guy,

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Speaker 5: you know. I spent a lot of time with him.

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Speaker 5: We play golf together, we hang out, We're good friends.

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Speaker 5: We've traveled together. He's terrific. But he's just the most

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Speaker 5: authentic guy. He's not at all full of himself. It's

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Speaker 5: just totally down to earthing. He lives a life of

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Speaker 5: gratitude and that's the truth. And you know, he's just

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Speaker 5: he's so much fun to be around. Every everybody loves him.

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Speaker 5: There I've never anybody that didn't, you know, think the

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Speaker 5: world of him.

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Speaker 6: And some of these spells say he's done as good

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Speaker 6: as he gets. I mean, I could watch that film

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Speaker 6: five times. It's just spectacular with Nicholson and Helen Hunt

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Speaker 6: and Greg and then of course you know Little Miss

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Speaker 6: Sunshine which was another, you know, huge hit, and.

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Speaker 5: His impression Skip. I mean, when I think about it,

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Speaker 5: Carvey and Copple all that they're right on this spot

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Speaker 5: on you know which is And I started doing impressions

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Speaker 5: But you know, doing the kind of people that he does,

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Speaker 5: who it's fascinating to watch great voice. Well, I asked

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Speaker 5: them to do the podcast and England that obviously you

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Speaker 5: you know, talking to you. So I'm sure I'll have

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Speaker 5: questions for you, not just you asking him questions. Well,

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Speaker 5: I hope not too many, man, because I don't think

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be fascinating a good thing with with what

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Speaker 5: we're doing, because we're talkers, you and I. You know

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Speaker 5: what we're like. But to sit back and get great

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Speaker 5: keep our mouths shut as best we can, man, that's

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Speaker 5: a luxury to learn. You know.

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Speaker 6: I was looking at the list today. It's stunning. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'll put our guests that we've had on up against

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Speaker 6: We're not trying to make news. We're just kind of

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Speaker 6: have a great conversation with great guys. And you know,

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Speaker 6: because like your friends that you've brought on right and

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 5: Which I'll be going to bed tonight.

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Speaker 6: Tonight is probably gonna be i'd say lights out, no

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Speaker 5: I'll be thinking at you about one in the morning.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna do some more work on the documentary, and

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Speaker 5: I look forward to Greg kinnear. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have.

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Speaker 6: I can't wait for you to talk to him. You're

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Speaker 6: gonna become friends right out of the box. I'm sure.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's always stimulating. All right, Billini, I'll catch up

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Speaker 6: with you later. Okay, So we need a golf to more?

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Speaker 6: You got a golf to No, I'm gonna play golf

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Speaker 6: right now. Actually, I'm running off. The play says we're gone.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to play pickleball at three o'clock. But I

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Speaker 6: love the pickleball. Watch I've watched you. You're good at

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Speaker 5: We have a lot of fun. So I'm gonna head

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Speaker 5: over there. You go hit your balls and I'll go

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Speaker 5: hit my balls. We'll both have it. We'll both have

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Speaker 6: Let's see you later.

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Speaker 7: By there, he is, I knew.

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Speaker 4: Look, we got three girls, three girls. Five Oh my.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, well, well nine grandchildren, Oh my gosh, five five daughters, Paul, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: five daughters, five daughters, and I got a son who's eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Between Audrey, Lily and Kate. You thought you had to

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Speaker 2: a guy who has five of them.

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Speaker 1: What are their ages?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 4: I just the oldest just crossed out of the teen years.

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Speaker 4: So for the last year and a half, you're looking

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Speaker 4: But you know, I've said, it's like weather patterns. One

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Speaker 1: But boy, are they a handful. I tell you I

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Speaker 1: I got up one day, I said, you're all going

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Speaker 4: And now why are they all that's interesting? Why are

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Speaker 1: Well, we traveled all over the world all the time,

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Speaker 1: That, Yes, great country bay Root must have been interesting,

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Speaker 4: I'm so bad at language, Paul. How many languages you speak?

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Speaker 4: Because I know, skip skip how many languages you got

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Speaker 4: That's our golf joke.

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Speaker 2: We do that all the time?

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Speaker 1: There's so much. I was speaking like Italian and German

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Speaker 2: But you recorded, Paul, recorded songs I can in various languages.

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Speaker 4: they just kind of if you the syntax and you

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Speaker 1: And then Sid Nepaul one of the greats obviously, and

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Speaker 1: you worked with the you know when I started as

436
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Speaker 1: a kid starting out as you did. You know, he

437
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Speaker 1: was in au of Sinatra. When I was around him

438
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Speaker 1: and Sammy Davis and I'm the kid. You know, these

439
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Speaker 1: guys are twice my is. It was just mind bobbling.

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Speaker 1: What was it like for you when you first encountered

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Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson? How good was that? What was that like

442
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Speaker 1: when you were of auditioning? Did you go to his house?

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 1: I went, I went up to Mulholland.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the first I think the first time I met him,

446
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Speaker 4: I went to I went to meet him at his

447
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Speaker 4: house up on Mahawk. It was first introduction to Jack,

448
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Speaker 4: which was like the most stomach turning, refining just you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it had helped It wasn't like this was

450
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Speaker 4: my first gig. I had done a little work by

451
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Speaker 4: this point, and I had done Sabrina. But Jack, come on.

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Speaker 2: Did you do your Jack impersonation for him?

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Speaker 4: Are you out of your mind? No? Because it's so

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Speaker 4: good issue they didn't say it work.

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Speaker 1: I want to a couple before we're done. Couple. I

456
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Speaker 1: want you ah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, the taed cop. Nobody even knows Ted Copple anymore.

458
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 4: A bunch of impersonations of people that no one knows anymore.

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Speaker 4: I give you the whole list. It's like a Who's.

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Speaker 1: Who, Who's Johnny Gusson?

461
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Speaker 4: Ny? I gotta listen, we gotta turn the tables. You

462
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Speaker 4: gotta tell me. I mean, I can't think if I

463
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Speaker 4: think about the history of television, of modern television, and

464
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Speaker 4: I think about music. I mean, most iconic song like

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Speaker 4: ever recorded, unequivocally has to be The Tonight Show thee

466
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Speaker 4: It is thirty years worth.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know he worked, he worked with me, Greg

468
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Speaker 1: when he was starting out. I was doing this TV

469
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Speaker 1: special in England and I said, nobody wants to hear

470
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Speaker 1: me for two hours with these cockamamie teenage songs. I said,

471
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Speaker 1: I need some comedy so they sent me a bunch

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Speaker 1: of kinescopes over to London, and I saw this guy,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Carson, who did a bit where he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: an alcoholic till four in the morning. Then he had

475
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Speaker 1: to get up and run a kiddie program with kids

476
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Speaker 1: at night, so of course you can imagine it was.

477
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Speaker 1: It was an amazing bit. I said, that's the guy.

478
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Speaker 1: He flies over, he works with me, you know, not

479
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Speaker 1: an easy guy to get to know, never was, but

480
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Speaker 1: brilliant at what he did. And I go back to

481
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Speaker 1: New York and I run into him and like, you

482
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Speaker 1: who were going to You're going to do the show

483
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Speaker 1: for three years? He said, I'm doing this new show

484
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and you know, the Tonight

485
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Speaker 1: Show and blah blah blah, and I'm changing this and this.

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Speaker 1: He said, I think I might need a theme song. Well,

487
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm the wrong guy to ask, right because

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Speaker 1: I mean it'll come out of me like this. I said,

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Speaker 1: you got it. So I went to the studio and

490
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Speaker 1: I recorded for Bok two hundred and fifty bucks Dad,

491
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Speaker 1: and I send him over the demo and he called

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Speaker 1: me back and he said, I love it. He said,

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Speaker 1: but we can't use it because the guy that's been

494
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Speaker 1: here for years, Skitch Henderson, you know, he was twice

495
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Speaker 1: h Yeah, he said he doesn't want some kid getting

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Speaker 1: involved in the show. He's going to do it. So

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Speaker 1: and I've been rejected all my life up until then, right,

498
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Speaker 1: So I said, oh okay. So then I thought about it,

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Speaker 1: and I called Johnny back. I said, look, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you half the soul. I'll give you half the publishing.

501
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Speaker 1: I'll put you down as the writer. You'll get fifty

502
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Speaker 1: percent of everything that discerns over the next two or

503
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Speaker 1: three years. So he called me back a couple hours later, said,

504
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Speaker 1: you got it. So when you look at the music,

505
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Speaker 1: it's got Johnny Carson, Johnny Gard's right. Well, Skitch was pissed.

506
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Speaker 1: It goes on not for two years, but for what

507
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Speaker 1: thirty nine whatever the bucket was and it was the

508
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Speaker 1: largest earning theme song ever on television. And I call

509
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Speaker 1: it they called my college song. Put all the kids

510
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Speaker 1: through college with it. And that's how it was there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was just the fifteen seconds of simplicity,

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Speaker 1: that's all it was.

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Speaker 4: It all came down to I I am going to

514
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Speaker 4: make a fuck load of money off of this.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You gotta rub the eye. Remember you had all the

517
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: shtick you'd rubbed the eye. Those were all sickmas the nose,

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: But pivoting back the Nicholson, I have to say, as

520
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: good as it gets, it's not just one of my

521
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: favorite moves. It seems it's like one of everybody's favorite movies.

522
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: It was just so so special, and that was in

523
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: ninety seven. But the movie Little Miss Sunshine, it holds

524
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Speaker 2: a special place in my heart because of an experience

525
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Speaker 2: you and I had Greg at a golf club. Paul.

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Speaker 2: You don't know this, but at the at the private

527
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Speaker 2: country clubs when they had each one has a major event.

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Speaker 2: I know that, okay, they have like a three name,

529
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Speaker 2: three name ever a guest tournament, and while if you're

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Speaker 2: not playing in the tournament, we had reciprocity with other

531
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Speaker 2: clubs where our members could go over to their club,

532
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Speaker 2: you know, because our course was tied up with this tournament.

533
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Speaker 2: So Greg and I wind up at another country club

534
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Speaker 2: in the LA area with two other friends of ours,

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Speaker 2: and we play golf. It's a very chilly, daddy. We're

536
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Speaker 2: got our jackets, sweaters, hats, the whole thing. The end

537
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Speaker 2: of the round. We said, well it was great, let's

538
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Speaker 2: get something to eat. And two of the guys said,

539
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: now we have to be somewhere. So Greg and I

540
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Speaker 2: went into the grill room. And as we walk in,

541
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Speaker 2: the grill room is packed and there's a woman, a

542
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Speaker 2: little old woman, sitting by the front and she spots

543
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Speaker 2: Greg and she says, oh, I loved you and little

544
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Speaker 2: miss sunshine. And Greg said, oh that's that's thank you

545
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: so much. And we sit down order I order a

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Speaker 2: diet code. Greg says, alb and Arnold Palmer. We're sitting

547
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Speaker 2: for like ten minutes and they haven't brought our drinks

548
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: and that's sort of And we look over and there's

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00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: a gentleman in a sport jacket and tie and he's

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Speaker 2: on the phone at the desk and he walks over

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Speaker 2: to us and he said, oh, good afternoon, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Are you members? Yes? Oh oh, what's your member number?

553
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: So I give him my member number. It's three digits.

554
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: He said, well, our member numbers have four numbers. I said, well, no,

555
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: that's the number at our club that we belong to.

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Speaker 2: We have reciprocity here, so we just want to order

557
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Speaker 2: a couple sandwiches. Well, you don't have reciprocity for the

558
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: grill room. That's only for the golf course. I'm afraid

559
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Speaker 2: you're gonna have to leave. So Greg looks at me.

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Speaker 2: We've got our stuff piled up on the chair, right,

561
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: the hat, sweaters, jackets, hats. Greg looks, Greg looks at me,

562
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Speaker 2: He goes, grab your shit. We got to do the

563
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Speaker 2: walk of shame, and we had everyone in the grill

564
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Speaker 2: room was like watching what was going. They didn't know.

565
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Speaker 2: They knew something was up there, they didn't know quite what.

566
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Speaker 2: So everybody there's maybe one hundred and eighty people in

567
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Speaker 2: grill room and we have to walk out carrying our

568
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Speaker 2: hats and jackets, and we get to the door to

569
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Speaker 2: leave and a little old lady Looksie Greek and says,

570
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Speaker 2: I still loved you in that movie, just not enough

571
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Speaker 2: to eat us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an indie film, right right, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was an indie By the way, Skip forgot to

574
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Speaker 4: tell you that when he's able to carry all his

575
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Speaker 4: sweaters and hats out and he was still able to

576
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: flip off everybody and drive room. Yeah, no, it was

577
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: humiliating and uh, but but they did send us a

578
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Speaker 4: bottle of wine. Uh that I skip went and found

579
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Speaker 4: the price on it. I think it was not eight

580
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Speaker 4: dollars two buck chuck or something. They set of it

581
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Speaker 4: because they felt bad for what had happened, which made

582
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Speaker 4: the story even funnier by.

583
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Speaker 2: The way, of course.

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Speaker 4: So uh yeah, Little Sedghine was a was an independent movie,

585
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Speaker 4: and it was a very very good script by Michael

586
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Speaker 4: Aren't And and the truth is it really wasn't going

587
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Speaker 4: to be made. There's a producer named Mark turtle Toob

588
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: who just literally went out of his pocket and there

589
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 4: wasn't any time left because you know, John Jonathan Dayton,

590
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Speaker 4: Valerie Ferris who I saw recently, you know, were the

591
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: directors on this, and they had stuck with it through

592
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Speaker 4: and through for like you hear these stories about how

593
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: long it takes to get movies made. This was kind

594
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Speaker 4: of one of them. And our little Olive, of course,

595
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: continues to get older, and they kind of got to

596
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: the point where Olive was going to age out of

597
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: the role, and obviously we were all set on her

598
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: playing the girls. So so Mark just wrote a check

599
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: for I don't remember what the number was, like seven

600
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: million bucks or something like that, and we all found

601
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: ourselves in the course of five or six weeks making

602
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: the movie, and yeah, it's a great, nice little film.

603
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: Turned out really well. We actually rehearsed, which movies don't

604
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: do very often, and it premiered at sun Dance, I think,

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Speaker 4: and just kind of took Do.

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Speaker 1: You think you could make a movie like that today?

607
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Speaker 4: I think you have more chance of making like a

608
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: Little the Sunshine than you do. As good as it gets,

609
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, as good as it gets, a

610
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Speaker 4: big studio, you know, forty to fifty million dollar movie

611
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: that is really just about some very great issue, you

612
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 4: know things. It certainly deals with love, and it deals

613
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: with but it deals with this misogynous racist guy at

614
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Speaker 4: the forefront of it. And it's a it's an odd

615
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: ball script. I mean, it was kicked around for a

616
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: lot of years Forrest Gump. There's so many movies that

617
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: aren't those kind of unusual stories that can only be

618
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: realized if they're ultimately somebody takes the chance and puts

619
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: them together and gets them out to a mass audience,

620
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: and they can get turned into something that that audiences

621
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: ultimately appreciate. But I think the risk factor on that

622
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: now is so high that those kinds of films seem

623
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Speaker 4: to have kind of gone to gone to the wayside.

624
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: You know, if you're spending five ten million dollars to

625
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: make something that's small, that that has a contained story

626
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: and you know, finds as humor and joy, I guess

627
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: it's still possible. I like to think it's still possible.

628
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: You know, I'm an optimist. But definitely an unusual time

629
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Speaker 4: right now, I think for.

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Speaker 1: The entertainment business, yeah, I think it's I don't think

631
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: it's a business anymore. It's so changed. The movie business,

632
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Speaker 1: it's not like it used to be years ago when

633
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Speaker 1: I grew up around it. It's just very strange business today.

634
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: Like the music business, it's also changed.

635
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I guess at the end of the day,

636
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: you know, you wonder what was the key what's the

637
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: key factor that has changed it?

638
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Speaker 2: Is it?

639
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: Is it us or is it that I often think

640
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: it's this These things have changed it, you know, whether

641
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: it's through music or whether it's through the you know,

642
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: watching a movie on your iPhone. It is it is

643
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 4: the ability to have all of this information in your

644
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: pocket all the time. That kind of cut into both

645
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 4: the music and entertainment business. But I still you know,

646
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: I went to the screening of of something recently and I,

647
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: you know, you've felt the whole crowd in on the experience,

648
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: and I was like, Oh, this still happens. This still

649
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: can be a fun group experience to see a film.

650
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Speaker 4: So I haven't counted it out yet.

651
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: Well, AI looms. You know, Artificial intelligence is the other

652
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: dynamic that we haven't really experienced, knowing it's a threat.

653
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: It is in the music business and I think the

654
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: film business ultimately in some way.

655
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So can AI write write a song? It probably can't.

656
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: You know. I don't want to drop names, but I

657
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: got a call about a year and a half ago

658
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: from Warren Buffett, who's a buddy, and he was with

659
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Bill Gates. He said, Polly, you won't believe it. The

660
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Gates just showed me I got this computer thing. Here

661
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: was that geez thing that the one that we're experiencing.

662
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: Because I'm not into that stuff, he said. I asked

663
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: the machine to give me four different versions of my way,

664
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: and in one minute, it spit out four different versions

665
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: of my way in one minute. So the answer is yes,

666
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: they can duplicate visual voice right, whatever you want. It's

667
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: doing it, so we have to look at it differently

668
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: in terms of licensing, you know, what we're going to

669
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: do in the future, like I think across the board

670
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: are culturally and for everyone, We're gonna have to look

671
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: at it all differently because it's it's going to take

672
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: over without doubt.

673
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: It is. It is. It is when you talk about

674
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: doing things differently. So you guys are both unicorns. I mean,

675
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: you know, how many people can sing, but then how

676
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: many people turn in to be, you know, a superstar singer.

677
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: How many people can act, but how many people get

678
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: to be in the kind of you know, extraordinary films

679
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: that you've been in. So if you hadn't become an actor,

680
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: if what was your fallback or what would you what

681
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: do you think you would have pursued if you weren't

682
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: going to be an actor?

683
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't

684
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: have a great answer for that. I I think I

685
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 4: was young enough and stupid enough to feel like you now,

686
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: I'll figure this out. I definitely didn't have a you know,

687
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: full blue pret you know when I remember talking to

688
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: Costas about later and he showed me that Mickey Male

689
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: baseball card that he kept in his wallet since he

690
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: was five because he was interested in being a broadcaster,

691
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: and I was like, that, ain't me. I definitely did

692
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 4: not know what they wanted to be when I came

693
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 4: out here, and I certainly am grateful in a way

694
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 4: to have kind of kept a loose hand on the wheel.

695
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: I do think it's you know, I you know, not

696
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: that it wasn't a you know, very difficult time even

697
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: back then to kind of find your way through all

698
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: of this. But now I just worry about, you know,

699
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: anybody trying to come out to Los Angeles and make

700
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: a crack at it, because I feel like there are

701
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: you know, less opportunities, less jobs, and maybe the AI

702
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: think Paul's talking about that's bringing the room down, quite frankly,

703
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: is true. I mean it's true. I mean, like, if

704
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: you think about it, it is pretty uh, you know

705
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff that we experience and entertainment is

706
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: going to become more automated. That's just unavoidable.

707
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: But did your parents at that point were your parents thinking, wait,

708
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: you don't want to be a doctor or a lawyer?

709
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: I mean, were they supportive of the idea of your

710
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: being an actor?

711
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: I don't think there was ever a moment skip where

712
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: Ed and Susie Knier were thinking I was going to

713
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: be a doctor or a lawyer. I think the goal

714
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 4: was to keep little Greg out of prison. I think

715
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: that was the highway that they were. They reached the

716
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: that bar early on. So I don't know, I mean,

717
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: I don't really think there was a you know, and

718
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: I don't like I said, I mean, I was I

719
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 4: was grateful, I guess, to get out here and get

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: fine kind of a job doing anything in the entertainment business.

721
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 4: And I have so many friends who were on desks

722
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: of people and working and you know, whether it was

723
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: an agency or a management place. You know, I was

724
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: at this you know, it was called Empire Pictures. Charlie

725
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: Bann was making these kind of movies like Reanimator and

726
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 4: uh just crazy Experience. They had this three floor building

727
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: over in Hollywood. And I don't know, I mean, I

728
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: don't know where that might have led in terms of

729
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 4: the entertainment business if I hadn't have been become a actor.

730
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: But I thought maybe i'd find my I'd find some

731
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: step into it or some step into maybe the business

732
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: side of it.

733
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: How about this, So Paul saying you are my destiny,

734
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: and so you this was your destiny, right, this was

735
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: your You just assumed that this was going to be it.

736
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: You didn't have a backup plan, That's what I'm saying.

737
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's I think that's true. You're giving

738
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: me anxiety. But the fact that you're saying I didn't

739
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: have a backup plan is making a little late, little.

740
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: Late Like if Audrey Lilly or did they have they

741
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: given any sort of indication that they'd like to be

742
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: actors or zero I I I have.

743
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: None of them have express that. I certainly would be

744
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: supportive of whatever my kids wanted to do, but none

745
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: of them have shown really a lot of interest in that.

746
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: Maybe even if there was anyone, maybe my youngest, but

747
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 4: but I not a lot and I don't encourage it

748
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: or discourage it. In fact, I find of the more

749
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: I stay out of it, the batter. So hands off

750
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: at this point, but not seeing a lot of interest.

751
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh your upcoming projects, Like, I know you've just spent

752
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: a lot of time in Vancouver. What what film was

753
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: that for?

754
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: So that's a that is a Apple TV show? So

755
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 4: I did a show a couple of years ago Dennis

756
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: Lahane was a wonderful novelist and showrunner as well. Did

757
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 4: this show Blackbird with Paul Walter Hawser Taron Edgerton. That

758
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: was a great experience and and we did I think

759
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: six episodes of that for Apple TV. So I'm back

760
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: with a lot of that same gang again. This is

761
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 4: another true time series, nine episodes about a true crime

762
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: that based loosely on a true crime that took place

763
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: here in Los Angeles that involves Arson and Taron Edgerton's

764
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: in it, and John Leguzamo and myself and a lot

765
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: of great actors and Journey Spilette. It was amazing at it.

766
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: So we just just completed that this week. So we

767
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 4: completed so recently. I haven't had a chance to shave

768
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 4: my mustache off yet, which I'm getting a lot.

769
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Fresh around the house to do.

770
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: So it's amazing. Paul. You know, we played golf. One

771
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: of the other guys in our regular golf game is

772
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: Luke Wilson and Greg and Luke. They're always working.

773
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: By the way, I did a movie with I did

774
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 4: a movie with Luke. I was thinking we should have

775
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: had we should have done it with We should have

776
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: had Luke on here as well. It has been a

777
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: lot of fun to actually talk about it. We did

778
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: a little movie about a true story about a baseball

779
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: team out of Dallas that ended up weren't very good.

780
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: They ended up making it to the World Series, and

781
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: we play these two fathers who were kind of dual

782
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: coaches on the team, one of us, one of the

783
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 4: one of the guys dads we played, got ill and

784
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: ultimately very sick, and it's kind of a story about

785
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: how the team persevered. And the movie, it's called You

786
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: Gotta Believe, comes out at the comes out at the

787
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 4: end of August. But it was very weird to work

788
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: with Luke Skipp because you're right, we're old friends, and

789
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: like you're sitting on set, you know, suddenly face to

790
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: face with somebody actually working a dialogue. Somebody who usually

791
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 4: just used to talking shit with is suddenly now you're

792
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 4: reliant on to actually perform a scene with. So I

793
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: have to say that we had a blast, and.

794
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: Luke's really great in the movie. So you were also

795
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: in the highlight. I'd have to say, you were in

796
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: the finale of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

797
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: It felt like the the whole twelve seasons of Larry's

798
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: show was was leading up to the Courtroom featuring me.

799
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not taking anything away from the other

800
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: you know, twelve the other eleven seasons and epping shows

801
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: before they got to me, because I'm sure those were good.

802
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: But uh man, did we stick the landing at the end.

803
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: It was actually really fun. Obviously known Larry for uh,

804
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: you know, for for the through many years, and I

805
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: had talked to him over the years about doing doing

806
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: it and just for whatever reason, this worked out and

807
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: and it was great fun to do. And he is

808
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: unequivocally the Michael Jordan of comedy. I mean, he just

809
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: was so fun to watch. Uh it was like having

810
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: a front row seat to the to the big show,

811
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, here they are. You had Jerry,

812
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: everybody in the show. So it was great fun to

813
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: go want to do that.

814
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: You know, Greg, you've done such great works over the years.

815
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: You're truly a good actor, a great actor. And you've

816
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: placed so many historical figures over the years, you know,

817
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: from Crane to Hope and JFK. Is it difficult harder

818
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: doing that other than just regular fictional characters.

819
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think there's a it's kind there's

820
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: kind of a two sides to it. I mean, on

821
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 4: the one side, if you play somebody that people are

822
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: familiar with, it does come with a certain amount of baggage.

823
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: People are watching closely, they have a preconceived idea of

824
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: who that is, and so I do I think you

825
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 4: feel inherently more pressure doing that. But you also have

826
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: just a you know, treasure of facts about them. A

827
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: lot of times you have you know, footage and speeches

828
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: or whatever you got in order to kind of, you know,

829
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 4: really represent that character in a way that hopefully feels

830
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: authentic to the audience. So when you create a you know,

831
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: when you're just doing a character that you you know,

832
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: nobody knows or his uh fictional character, you it's it's great,

833
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: it's yours or as did call it. But with that

834
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: comes I always feel like a certain you know, it's

835
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: it's also kind of think that takes a lot of

836
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: you know, it takes some thought because you're trying to

837
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: create something that feels organic to the story you're telling

838
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: and the person doesn't really exist, so you're it's kind

839
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: of whatever you say it is at the end of

840
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: the day, it's all, you know, it's all the script.

841
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: If the script's good, you can get held of some.

842
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: Of these, Like people obsessed, including my assistant Aaron, with Blackbird,

843
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: just obsessed with it. People. I mean, you know there

844
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: are people you watch a film, right, you watch one

845
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: of the films and you know that's about it. But

846
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: people became obsessed with Blackbird. Just unbelievable.

847
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a really nice it is it's a

848
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 4: it's an incredible, incredibly powerful story. It's it's really well told.

849
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: I think Dennis is writing is there's just no better

850
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 4: in the business right now. His dialogue, his sense of pace,

851
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: and I do think you're talking to a guy who's

852
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 4: you know, I mean he's done something like, you know,

853
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: twelve fifteen novels. I think maybe more that skill, you know,

854
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: that muscle is just so developed for him that it's

855
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 4: it's a pleasure to kind of get to work with him.

856
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: You know, Greg, I don't like listening to a lot

857
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: of the music I've recorded through all the years, maybe

858
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: because there's too much of it. But how often do

859
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: you watch your movies? Well, what do you take away

860
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: from it?

861
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I find I don't watch as much

862
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: as stuff that I but today that I used to

863
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, watch rough cuts and things

864
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: of stuff I've done. But I find now it's like

865
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff will come out and then maybe

866
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: you know, a month or two, I'll catch it or

867
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: see it at something, maybe even later than that. I

868
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: don't find the urgency to see it as much anymore.

869
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: I hope, you know, anything I do, you hope for

870
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: the best. You hope the movie works and that it

871
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: finds an audience. But I think with time you start

872
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 4: to realize. It's probably similar in music. You know, you

873
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: realize how much of that is really out of your control.

874
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, if you feel

875
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: like you've you know, you've you've played the right note,

876
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: that's all you can hope to do. And so the

877
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: you know, all of the what comes out of that

878
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: later is not worth really tracking and even watching it.

879
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: I mean, doing it is great fun and great, very satisfying,

880
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: but you know, going and watching it afterwards is always

881
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 4: fraught with why.

882
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: I do it that way? Yeah? Why do that?

883
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: With all the historical figures that you've you know, you've played,

884
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: is there one that you would have liked to have

885
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: played or still would like to have played a person

886
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: from history that would be meaningful to you to play.

887
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, there there's something that I'm tracking. I'd always say

888
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: what it is because there's there's some complicated issues tied

889
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: to it. But there's there's a there's a guy that

890
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: I'm I'm very interested, but I I don't know. I mean,

891
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 4: like I know, the answer is I have occasionally somebody

892
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 4: that I think, oh, well, that would be ripe to do.

893
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: But for the most part, it's not like I have

894
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: a book full of characters that in playing, because at

895
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you can fixate on somebody

896
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 4: you think, oh my gosh, why don't they tell this story?

897
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: I mean, like I never read a million years. I've

898
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: certainly watched you know, Hogan's Heroes as a kid, but

899
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: you know, until I read the script, you know, Paul

900
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 4: Schrader's version with Michael Jibosi of Auto Focus, Who the

901
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 4: hell would think to do that movie? No, nobody wants

902
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: to see Bob Crane, But you know it's the script,

903
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 4: dynamic script in this great movie.

904
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: Great you know, So.

905
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, if the script's good, Hellalujah,

906
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: would you do Carson? Yeah, I for sure.

907
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: I think somebody should do a Johnny Carson film. That's

908
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: a great story, a great story.

909
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 4: I agree. I'm afraid that it hasn't been done done.

910
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: I'm surprised it hasn't been done.

911
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: I know that that backstory is amazing with Johnny. You know,

912
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: it was just, but somebody should do Carson.

913
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 4: When you say he was hard to know, like what

914
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: what do you?

915
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Well, look, I love Johnny Carson. We all agree. You know,

916
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: he holds that mantle. Nobody quite did it the way

917
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: that he did. But it was just, you know, I

918
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: really am very hesitant about talking about it because I know,

919
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: but it was just a backstory to it that was

920
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: not what you would think. And it was not a

921
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: happy life. It was just, you know, with what comes

922
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: with some lowners. Even some can deal with the space.

923
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: But you know, he liked to drink, and that's a

924
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: whole other story. And you know, my introduction was early

925
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: in the sixties, and you know, knowing that he liked

926
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, for instance, and Frank really didn't care. He

927
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to meet anybody. And Johnny was a drummer,

928
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: as you know, and he loved drumming, and he'd go

929
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: into Jilly's. Jilly was Sinatra's guy, and they had this

930
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: hanging place called Jittlies in New York, and you know,

931
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: Johnny in and played the drums some nights, and you know,

932
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: one night he came in him and head and they

933
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: like to drink and they were blasted by the time

934
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: they got in there, and Johnny started like messing around

935
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: with these girls at the bar, you know, pinching them

936
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: and flirting with them. Well, back then, you know the

937
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: Mafia guys. On Friday nights, they had what's called side dishes,

938
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: which were the girls the mistresses. On Saturday night they

939
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: bring the wives. So the distinction between the mistresses and

940
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: the wives on Saturday was very distinct. So he started

941
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: messing with one of the side dishes and the guys

942
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: happened to see him, and they took him and they

943
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: threw them down a flight of stairs, but six stairs

944
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: down of the bathroom, and all you heard was this

945
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: ruckus and somebody yelling they're beating up Tonny cars. So

946
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: Jillie had to go down and rip them off Johnny.

947
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: And it was but a lot of stuff like that,

948
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: just different things, but it's a great backstone. Or if

949
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: somebody did their homework, you'd find that it had a

950
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: lot of depth to it. And he's there's no figures

951
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: we know in our business, like Johnny Carson.

952
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 4: Well, it's and that loaner thing I did. I do

953
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: remember like seeing video or some stories about him after

954
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 4: he retired, you know those three or four years where

955
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 4: gues he'd go and watch little tennis and stuff. But

956
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 4: it did seem painfully reclusive. And I had a famously.

957
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 4: I had Gary Shandling was a good friend of mine.

958
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 4: And Gary was friends with Johnny a little bit. And

959
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 4: I was going somewhere. He was like, literally a kid,

960
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: my kid's birthday party. But I couldn't miss it. I had.

961
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: I was taking her her birthday party, but it was

962
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: a way I had to take her. There was no

963
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 4: getting around this. And I think Helen was away and

964
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: so I'm like, honey, I'm the guy. And then I

965
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 4: get a call from Gary saying, hey, do you want

966
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: to Jerry and Jerry and I are going to have

967
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: dinner with Johnny Carson. Can you make it? And I

968
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: was like, no, I can't, and it he tortures me

969
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: that I.

970
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: Do that.

971
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he's socially, you know, even a lot of

972
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: the dinners at events he'd go to here in town,

973
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: he'd go off to himself in the corner, you know,

974
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: was not very social.

975
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: He's like, he's a lot like Skip in that way,

976
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: a lot.

977
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, we were trying to We're trying to draw

978
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: it out. We're trying a few of us are making

979
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: it a mission to bring it out and Skip. But

980
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: it's tough.

981
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 4: It's tough possible, Skip plays Johnny Carson. I mean, I'm

982
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: just thinking I'm spitballing here, so I don't know.

983
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last couple of years, Yes.

984
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: I played the part where he gets thrown down the

985
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: flight of stairs. It's perfect. I like you.

986
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: That really the earlier in his career.

987
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: But Greg, before we run out of time, I want

988
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: to I want to ask you a sort of a

989
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: serious question. All Right, there's a great line in the

990
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: movie as Good as the Cats, That's just great. And

991
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: the line was, if you look at a person long enough,

992
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: you can see their humanity. And I'm just wondering, I've

993
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: always loved that line and wondering what that what that

994
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: means to you? There was quite a powerful, a powerful thought.

995
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, Jim Brooks is the master of

996
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: powerful thoughts. I mean, if you think, like every one

997
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: of his movies, you know, broadcast news terms, I mean

998
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 4: all just you know, even the ones that aren't haven't

999
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 4: been you know, box office you know successfully as much

1000
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: box office wise, are still filled with three thoughts and ideas.

1001
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I mean, I guess it's just

1002
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 4: the study of a person, if you believe, you know,

1003
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 4: if you if you take the time to study someone

1004
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: long enough, you can better understand who they are always

1005
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 4: what I took away from it, So you know, it's

1006
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: worth having a longer conversation than the one you were

1007
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 4: going to have with somebody, and maybe we could all

1008
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: learn something from that. How about that?

1009
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: You know, you know, Greg, the are thousands of listeners

1010
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: don't have the benefit of the visual that I'm looking

1011
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: at and I'm looking at you, you know, away from

1012
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: all the films and everything. You're in great shape. You

1013
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: look great and I'm a health nut. Well, what's your routine?

1014
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: I'd like to know, what do you eat? What's your

1015
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: focus on your body? How do you take care of yourself?

1016
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: Because we get a lot of people, you know, in

1017
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: life that we've grown up with with the time they

1018
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: hit fifty or sixty. It's tragic. What do you do

1019
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: for yourself? Do you have some kind of a set routine?

1020
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: Allright, Well, first of all, can I call you every day? Paul?

1021
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: Yes you can.

1022
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to call you every day the rest

1023
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: of my life. And you just get me this run

1024
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: down you just gave me.

1025
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a Carls Junior from one to two of it,

1026
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: McDonald's from four to six, a bit pizza hunt from

1027
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: seven to nine. But you can get me on myself. No,

1028
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: but seriously, look, you look as I I don't.

1029
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, like I'm I think I am.

1030
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 4: I think I had pretty good jeans. My my father

1031
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 4: passed away a couple of years ago, but he was

1032
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 4: he was pretty good, pretty good shape. He was a

1033
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: tennis player. And I don't have like a regular cardio game,

1034
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 4: which I you know, I think there's no better game

1035
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 4: than tennis. And my dad just told me that golf

1036
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 4: good but not really. No, no, no, So this morning

1037
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: I was down at the gym, you know, working out,

1038
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: you know, but I'm not. I'm pretty moderate. I mean,

1039
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: I either I take a hiker, you know, try to

1040
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 4: get some cardio every day. And it waits in a

1041
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 4: couple of times a week and stay off the French fries.

1042
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: And uh so you eat carefully, you do eat carefully.

1043
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: I guess I'm a little careful. I don't I yeah,

1044
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 4: I definitely am careful, carefuler than I would otherwise be.

1045
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: My dad, before he got involved in the State Department,

1046
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: actually had a you know, big vending business, vending machine

1047
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 4: business back in Indiana with his father. And I think

1048
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 4: Ausman was like, you know, if things had gone slightly differently,

1049
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: I'd weigh about four hundred and fifty pounds and be

1050
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: selling like everything people take out of a vending machine

1051
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 4: these days. So it's in the back of my mind

1052
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 4: enough so that so that I get after it. It's

1053
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 4: some capacity every day, but I'm not nuts about it.

1054
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: Those three girls will keep you business.

1055
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 4: They certainly will.

1056
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, look out.

1057
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: Man, you're a prince to do this. But leeve in

1058
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: or not, I have your spot in the golf game

1059
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: this afternoon.

1060
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: Oh you do.

1061
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: Got Doc Rivers and Peter they're waiting on the tee.

1062
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 4: So I played with him yesterday, by the way, and

1063
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: I know I don't want to say who who won,

1064
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 4: but you know, you can you're asking yourself. I don't

1065
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: really care, but I know there was a winner. I

1066
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 4: just can't remember.

1067
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm looking at.

1068
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 4: Him maybe with this, Guys, that's that's me. My wife

1069
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 4: just reminded me. Gave me this the other day because

1070
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 4: I got it from my mom. That's me. Wow, records

1071
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 4: in Athens, Greece.

1072
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: Oh, that's wild.

1073
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 4: And I don't know and Paul, I don't know. I

1074
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 4: probably probably spun something connected to Paul ank in no doubt.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Well there's enough music out there. Hey, I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed this.

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Speaker 5: Greg.

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Speaker 1: I'm very Uh, I'm very impressed with humanity. Uh. You're

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Speaker 1: a great guy to talk with and I get a

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Speaker 1: real good vibe from you, and I'm very happy for

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Speaker 1: your success. And I thank you for all the great

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Speaker 1: work that you've done. You know, I know it's not

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Speaker 1: an easy business. We all are confronted with the challenges,

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Speaker 1: but you're an impressive human and I like that.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, and thanks Skip and the show guys.

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Speaker 4: Pleasure to come on and hang out for a little bets,

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Speaker 4: So thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Me, Thanks for doing it, and keep spinning my records,

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Speaker 1: will you please, I could use all the help. We

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Speaker 1: all do all the help. Yah yah, yes, cool messy

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Speaker 1: bo cool don shu donka shunet.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to jump in on.

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Speaker 2: This great Buck Kennere everybody, He's the man.

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Speaker 1: He is the man. Thanks, Greg, love you a lot.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks for being a friend.

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Speaker 4: All Right. Cheers, guys, Cheers.

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Speaker 1: Sea Our Away with Paul Anka and Skip Bronson is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtogg, with supervising producer

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Speaker 3: and editor Marcy Depina.

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Speaker 1: It was engineered by Todd Carlin and Graham Gibson, mixed

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Speaker 1: and mastered by the wonderful Marry Do.

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