1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let me bring in Jane Slater. She doesn't 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: deal with clicks. She is Clicks NFL Network reporter. You 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: can follow her on Twitter at Slater NFL. Jane Separate 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: fact from fiction here, can you. I'm with you, Dan, 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and you know how this works. You've been doing covering 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: the league long enough. You've been keeping an eye on 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys long enough. Anytime you put the Dallas Cowboys 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: in a headline, people are going to talk about it. 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: And so we're talking about this because a report came 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: out from Bondam Schefter that he would entertain a trade 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: if it was Dallas in the Cowboys. So of course, 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: now it's the off season, we haven't heard a lot 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: about this debt contract, so now everyone's talking about it. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: But when I reached out to some one of my 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: team sources, they found it laughable. And that's because they 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: are still trying to truly get this long term deal done. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: And we're looking at the tag being somewhere around thirty 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: seven point seven million dollars. We are going to probably 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: hear something about that closer to that tag deadline of 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: March ninth and then they're gonna have to clear some 22 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: cap space by March seventeenth to start really effectively having 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: those long term discussions, and then they of course shut 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: this thing down in June. I don't think he's heading 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: for a third tag. They can still do that. That 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: third tag is going to be somewhere in the market 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: of fifty four million dollars, which is absurd. They could, 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: of course give him the non exclusive tag that gives 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: them five days to match an offer from another team, 30 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: then possibly pick up two first round compensatory picks, but 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: the goal here is still to get him signed to 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: a long term deal. And why would they continue using 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: these costly tags on him if they didn't feel like 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: he was their franchise guy. And oh, by the way, 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: last year's money was in the ballpark of Russell Wilson 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: slash Jared Golf type money. Now he's looking to be 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: paid right behind Patrick Mahomes, a guy who's gone to 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl two years in a row. Dat hasn't 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: done that yet, so they feel like it's been a 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: respectable offer. His camp believes that he needs to bear 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: what the market value is, and they feel like this 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: deals should have gotten done two years ago, So your 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: problems with money aren't our problems. It's about respect. So 44 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: there still is no change from last year in years past, 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and there has to be some give by both sides 46 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: in order to get this done. But I truly feel 47 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: like they want to get it done. And as I 48 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: was told by a team source, it feels in their 49 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: tone kind of went up a bit, a little bit 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: more productive, But there still haven't been a lot of 51 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: meaningful conversations. Why do you think Russell Wilson's agent named teams, Well, 52 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: for the reasons we just outlined there earlier. I think 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: you named teams the Saints, for instance. That sounds like 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: a great destination for a guy like Russell Wilson. But 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: when those teams considerate or they pick up the phone, 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: their next question is, well, how much is this going 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: to cost us? And I keep bringing up Seattle versus 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Dallas because Seattle's front office has made a lot of 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: potential trades very costly for Dallas. And I mentioned Earl 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: Thomas last week. I mentioned Jamal Adams. Now he was 61 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: of course with the Jets Cowboys, and good Faith tried 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: to go after him. Seattle jumped in and said, we'll 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: pay you what you want. Then I was told that 64 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: the Seahawks wanted Alden Smith last year. The Cowboys in 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that experiment wasn't exactly working at times. Last year there 66 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: was a disruption in the pH balance with some of 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: the free agents. Could have gotten rid of him. Then 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: their answer was no. In other words, they're either resign 69 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: him or they'll find a way to move him off 70 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: the books and they get a compensatory pick. But because 71 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: it was Seattle, the deal didn't get done. Well. You 72 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: also have Russell Wilson, the thirty nine million dollar cap hit. 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Russ is it's weird. It feels like 74 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Russ and his agent want it both ways. Hey, we 75 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: want to stay in Seattle, but if you want to 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: trade us, here are the four teams that we're going 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: to go to. But I do think the cap hit 78 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: is really important. And Jane, I love that you bring 79 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: that up because a lot of people love to come 80 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: up with these all borrow phrase from Mike McCarthy last year. 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, some of you guys are playing fantasy football. 82 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: You know, as it related to what he would do 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: with his offensive line, I'll do that as it relates 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson and whatever team, whether it be Dallas 85 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: or another trading for him. Seattle also is on the 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: hook for his guaranteed money. So Seattle is going to 87 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: be okay giving him the guaranteed money and especially go 88 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: and win in another NFC with another NFC team that 89 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to play a couple of years down 90 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: the line. Now, look, could the Cowboys sweet the dal 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: and say, all right, we're going to convince Dak to 92 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: sign the franchise tag, which again is just crazy to me. 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: We'll convince him to sign the franchise tag, and then 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get his approval to trade up, but 95 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: we're also probably gonna have to give up some other 96 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: things that comes with DAK. So it's asset heavy to 97 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: move Russell Wilson off the books. I think this is 98 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: a missive I think this is a way of saying, 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll get on the same page with Russ either 100 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: let Russ Cook fight the way that you guys can 101 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: make this offense work. But when you bring up Dallas, 102 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: could it happen with another team? Absolutely sure. We've seen 103 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: these sort of trades happen. We've certainly seen Jared Goff 104 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: go to Detroit and Matt Stafford come to La. These 105 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: things happen, just specifically with the Cowboys and people I've 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: spoken to you, and the way the money bears out, 107 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: it just absolutely makes no sense. And a lot of 108 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: people I love coming at me on Twitter and wanting 109 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: to tell me ways that they've figured out it can happen. 110 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it can't happen. I'm talking to James Slater, 111 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: NFL network reporter, help me understand Drew Brees a situation 112 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: with New Orleans of what is he waiting for to 113 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: make his announcement one way or another? Great question, because 114 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: if you'll recall last year, we were sitting here having 115 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: the same I feel like it's sort of groundhog day 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: for me as it relates to the two teams that 117 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: I cover in the quarterbacks. Last year, we kept waiting 118 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: when is the Drew Brees announcement? And of course he 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: ended up coming back even though NBC was waiting in 120 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: the wings that I can tell you this is one 121 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: thousand percent accurate. Tom Brady was on his way to 122 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: New Orleans, so of course all of us can talk 123 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: about the hypotheticals that would have applied to the Saints. 124 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: If Tom Brady had come over and him and Sean 125 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: Payton had gotten in the lab together, what they could 126 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: have been capable of. I reached out to the Saints 127 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: last week and I said, any chance we saw Drew 128 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: Brees kind of give that final look as he's leaving 129 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: the Dome. I covered that game. It was deflating. It 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: was heartbreaking to watch him throwing a touchdown pass to 131 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: Breeze's son and Brittany Breeze and the kids that are 132 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: on the field with Tom Brady and the tears coming 133 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: down his face on the bench and not even getting 134 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: a hero send off. It felt more like a funeral. 135 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: And so you think to yourself, does he pull have 136 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: been Roethlisberger and come back next year and get the 137 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: heroes send off that he deserves for what he and 138 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: Sean have done for that city collectively. I was told, no, 139 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: he is retiring. He's just taking his time, you know, 140 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: making this decision. And keep in mind interesting sidebar. Last week, 141 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: of course, Tiger Woods was on his way to see 142 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and Justin Herbert was my understanding. Tiger was 143 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: doing some sort of work for Golf Tour TV, and 144 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: so he's supposed to enter interview Drew. So maybe Drew 145 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: read the room and felt like this wasn't the time either. 146 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: But in talking to people with that organization, how we 147 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: handle it moving forward in terms of media, my senses 148 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: that it's coming pretty soon here. Do you think Brady 149 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: would have preferred the Saints over the Buccaneers. It's a 150 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: good question. I mean, Sean Payton is a different coach 151 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: than Bruce Arians. It kind of feels like Jimmy Johnson 152 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: versus Barry Switzer again to kind of compare the two coaches, 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: and then you've got treatment, of course, being Tom Brady 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: in the scenario. It's hard to say. I know that 155 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Sean Payton's work ethic probably would have matched. 156 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: I think their intensity would have matched. But Bruce's approach 157 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: it's sort of this hands off I don't know if 158 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: you've ever dealt with this in your career. It's kind 159 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: of like the person who sort of hands off makes 160 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: you feel like they're not as invested or as hands on, 161 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: and it sort of motivates you a little bit more. 162 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: We sort of sol the subtlety of that with Bruce 163 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Arians calling out Tom publicly earlier in the year, and 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: so I don't know. And I also think just for 165 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, just happiness in terms of living close to 166 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: the beach there in Florida and the life that he 167 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: and Gizella and the kids have, which is why they 168 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: sort of left New England. You know, they wanted a 169 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: change a pace. I think from a personal standpoint, probably 170 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: the work life balance is a little bit better for 171 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: him and Florida. But again that's just me thinking out loud. 172 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: I brought this up about fifteen minutes ago the Houston Chronicles, 173 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: John McClean wrote a strong column saying it's time for 174 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: the Texans to listen to trade offers for Deshaun Watson. 175 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: That got my attention because we know John is as 176 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: dialed in with the team as much as any reporter 177 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: columnist is with any team in America. In my opinion, 178 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: if you had a better week's pay, is Deshaun Watson 179 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: with the Texans starting this season? Doesn't feel like it. 180 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to some people that have been 181 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: involved with that coaching search and how that went down. 182 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: There is a real funny dynamic as it relates to 183 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: easterby McNair Nick Kassario. I think kind of got thrown 184 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: into this unlikely partnership, and I feel like he's trying 185 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: to write the ship. He's trying to give it a 186 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: little bit of stability. But of course, when JJ Watt leaves, 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, then you had the VP of Communications, Amy Palsick. 188 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: She's out the door to Bill O'Brien. Of course, you 189 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: could say what you wanted about Bill, but a lot 190 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: of people liked Bill in that building. I think he 191 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: just probably took on too many titles. He should have 192 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: just focused on the coaching as opposed to GM. But 193 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: with your star quarterback being this disgruntled, that then I 194 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: think becomes a cancer in the locker room. It starts 195 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: to spread, it starts to permeate. I think he's playing hardball, 196 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: and I think ultimately he's gonna end up. I mean, 197 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: I look back to the Jamal Adam situation. Remember he 198 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: did not want to be with the Jets. And I 199 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: don't think the NFL's a lot like the NBA that 200 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a star can necessarily demand a trade. But we are 201 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of people become a little bit more 202 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: successful with this in years past. But I just feel 203 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: like that's a situation that is broken and in order 204 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: for Houston to sort of turn the page and have 205 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: the success that they're looking for, a meaningful success, They're 206 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: probably gonna have to do that with somebody else is 207 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: going to come in there and buy into what that 208 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: system is down there. But it doesn't feel like de 209 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: Shaun's going to be the guy to do it. And 210 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: I always find the situation fascinating when somebody wants out 211 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: of a place and then they go to another place 212 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: and they look around, they go, wait a minute, we 213 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: don't have anybody here. We gave up our draft picks, 214 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: we gave up our best defensive player. If Deshaun Watson 215 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: goes to the Jets, you're going to be giving up 216 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: your draft picks. You're going to give up some talent. 217 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: If you go to Miami, it's going to be the 218 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: same thing. He doesn't have any talent in Houston, and 219 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: it feels like it's a lateral move. Now. You know, 220 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: maybe he'll like that owner more than he likes the 221 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: owner or the front office a little bit more. But 222 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: to me, it seems kind of the more valuable you are, 223 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: the more capital you bring in return, and you're going 224 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: to be it's going to be a lateral move. It's 225 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: two steps forward, two steps back. That's a great point. 226 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't think about the things that 227 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: you have to put around a quarterback in order to 228 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: be successful. That's why a lot of the quarterbacks that 229 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: are successful on that first contract because you're able to 230 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: put the pieces around them, which is again going back 231 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: to the cowboy application. When Dat Prescott was making in 232 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: the four hundred thousand dollars range, sure it was easy 233 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: to pay your running back and your wide receivers and 234 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: your offensive linemen and defensive players. But when you start 235 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: talking about you're eating up twenty thirty percent of the cap, 236 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: it's really really hard to put those pieces around you 237 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: in order to be meaningful. The reason why Tom Brady 238 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: was so successful for so long in New England as 239 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: he always joked that Gazelle made a lot of the money, 240 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: so he was able to give him a hometown discount. Now, 241 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: to be fair, a lot of quarterbacks can't do that. 242 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: But to your point, I think when these guys want 243 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: to go to other teams and it costs them picks 244 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: in order for them to restock the kitchen cabinet, it 245 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: is very, very hard for you to find meaningful success 246 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: before I let you go. Do you want to play 247 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: the JJ want game of where you think he'll end up? Oh? 248 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: Good question. I love seeing how a lot of these 249 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: teams have been lobbying for them. I will tell you 250 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: will absolutely not be Dallas. So that's easy. So the 251 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: other ones that you want to throw at me, well, 252 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to take Green Bay off because I don't 253 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: think that takes any real risk or any great insight 254 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: to go. Boy, you could go back to Wisconsin where 255 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: he played his college ball. I'm going to give you 256 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: a Buffalo, Cleveland, Tennessee. Buffalo and Tennessee the most intriguing 257 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: to me. I really think Buffalo would be. I just 258 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: I became such a fan of the Bills last year 259 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: and what they're building there, and it was a slow 260 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: and patient process, but it feels like it's got a 261 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: really healthy, vibrant locker room. But I also think if 262 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: you've ever seen Mike Rabel at a pro day, I 263 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: saw him. It was caught Oliver out at Houston and 264 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: needed a bull in the ring with the guy. As 265 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: a defensive player. You've got to love a guy like 266 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. Wait, he was They were hitting each other. Yes, 267 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel was one thousand percent participating in a bull 268 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: and a ring exercise. It was amazing and he's a 269 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: true player players coach. The guys love Mike Rabel. I mean, 270 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen bust In the 271 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Boys and Taylor the One and Wilcompton's podcast. He'll get 272 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: in the bus with the guys, and I could see 273 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Tennessee if I had to pick right now. If Tennessee 274 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: can figure out a way to get it done, that 275 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: would be an outstanding destination form and kind of what 276 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: an interesting send off that you go to a team 277 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: that used to be the Houston Oilers in essence, so 278 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: there's sort of a pettiness there, so I think that 279 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: would be intriguing. Jane, great work. Always great to talk 280 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: to you. We appreciate your time. Thank you you as well. 281 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: Tell the Dana's Hie. Jane Slater, NFL Network reporter, thanks 282 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure 283 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday more nine to noon 284 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 285 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at 286 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 287 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R 288 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. Let me 289 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: bring in Jeff Duncan, columnists for The Athletic covering the Saints. 290 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: He also wrote a book, Peyton and Breeze, which came 291 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: out last fall, goes into great detail about Drew, his 292 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: relationship with Sean, the team, and the city. All right, Jeff, 293 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: where are we with Drew Brees and his future? Well, 294 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: we're in weight mode. Dan. You know, it's kind of peculiar. 295 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: But if you know Drew Brees, he doesn't do anything 296 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: that isn't thorough and I think he's taken a thorough 297 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: amount of time to consider this big decision for him. 298 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: But everything I've been able to gather, he is retiring. 299 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: I've not talked to one person inside the Saints organization 300 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: that does believe he's retiring. And I think he tipped 301 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: his hand last month when he agreed to reduce his 302 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: base salary from twenty five million down to one million dollars. 303 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: That's letting you know he's not going to see any 304 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: of that money in the in the fall because he's 305 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: going to retire. So I think we're all just in 306 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: waiting ce mode when they're going to make the official announcement. 307 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Zero percent chance, is that what you're saying. No, I 308 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't go that far. I would say it's it's very 309 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: low though. You know, Drew acted like a player that 310 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: was done at the end of this season. I mean, 311 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: if all my interactions with him, you could just see 312 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: it on his face. He knew that his time had come. 313 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean he spent then. He spent an hour and 314 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: a half after their playoff loss, you know, in the 315 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: llouts to the bucks on the Superdome field with his children, 316 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: with his wife Brittany, running past patterns, just soaking up 317 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: the moment. I don't think that was by accident, so 318 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: I guess there is a possibility he's rethought it and 319 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: considered coming back. I haven't talked to him lately, but 320 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: I would just be surprised with how the season ended 321 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: and everything. Internally, everyone's on the same page that Drew's 322 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: moving on. But I wonder what the local reaction would 323 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: be because it feels like they've already moved on to 324 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: the possibility of Russell Wilson, and as a fallback plan, 325 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: we got Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston, but fans react 326 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: favorably if Drew Brees was coming back no matter what 327 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: the salary was. That's a great question. I don't know 328 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: how Saints fans would react. I think everyone's moved on. 329 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: I know Saints coaches have already had conversations with Jamis 330 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: Winston about him taking the torch, so clearly they've moved 331 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: on and they are expecting Drew Brees to retire. I 332 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: don't know how the fans would react because I think 333 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: Drew Brees's last year was so disappointing, especially how he 334 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: finished in that last game against the Bucks three interceptions, 335 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: the most of his playoff career. I think people see 336 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: that father time has caught up to him and they're 337 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of for something different. As great as Drew Brees 338 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: has been in his career here, what was the reaction 339 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: when Russell Wilson named the Saints as one of the 340 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: four teams if he was traded? Are you kidding me? 341 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: If they could have had a Marty Gras parade here 342 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson, could we could violate all of the 343 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: COVID restrictions. I think the mayor certainly would have cleared 344 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: that and Deshaun Watson's another one, any big name quarterback. 345 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: You know, visions of Super Bowl championships are dancing in 346 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: the minds of Saints fans, Is you know, Dan, This 347 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: is a very passionate NFL market. I mean, it's amazing 348 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: how popular the Saints are here and they've had such 349 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: a long history of poor quarterback play until Drew Brees 350 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: came around. And now I don't think they know how 351 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: to react because they don't know what life is like 352 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: without an elite quarterback, at least the new generation of 353 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: Saints fans. Do they have the assets to acquire a 354 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson or a Deshaun Watson. Well, they could make 355 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: it happen if they had too, but it would be 356 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: very difficult. They're way over the salary cap. Mickey Loomis 357 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: and Ky Harley are geniuses at manipulating that cap. But 358 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: I think even they would be challenged to bring in 359 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback with an elite salary. They'd have to move 360 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: some people and somehow they'd have to get somebody to 361 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: take Taysom Hill, who they're paying a lot of money 362 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: to a quarterback. I mean, right now, even without bringing 363 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: in another quarterback with Drew Brees retiring and Taysom Hill. 364 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: They're counting twenty six million dollars toward the quarterback position, 365 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: so it would be very difficult, I think, to bring 366 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: in someone that's already on a big salary. That hasn't 367 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: stopped us from wishful reporting here, right. No, it's the 368 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: silly season. I mean that's the way it operates this 369 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: time of year. And I will say this though, the 370 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: one thing you have to consider, and I know you've 371 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: had Sean Payton on your show many times, Sean Payton 372 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: does not believe in rebuilding years and transition years. I mean, 373 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: the window is always open for him and he is 374 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 1: going to be a great So if he can do 375 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: something to make it happen, he's going to push Mickey 376 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: Loomis to make it happen. That's just how Sean thinks. 377 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: But I really believe he thinks they can win with 378 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks they have in the building. I really believe 379 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: that a conversations I've had with him. I don't know 380 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: if it's going to happen, but I think he believes it, 381 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's what matters. Jeff, thanks for joining us. 382 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: Hope you're well. We appreciate your time. Yeah, anytime, Dan, 383 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. That's Jeff Duncan. Frequent guest 384 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: on the show is Book Peyton and Breeze came out 385 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: last Fall. Goes into great detail about Drew, his relationship 386 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: with his coach, the team, and the city. Thanks for 387 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 388 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern 389 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and you 390 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or 391 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock app. Let's bring in 392 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal. Wednesday night, the NBA Legend enters the ring 393 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: the All Elite Wrestling, taking on the former TNT champ 394 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Cody Rhodes in a mixed tag team match on ae 395 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: W Dynamite Live on TNT at eight eastern. Are you 396 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: nervous about this? Jack? How do you prepare for this? Well? 397 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: I love all the law enforcement patches that you have. 398 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: Looks great. Thank you in the City of Garfield, Mama Sheriffs. 399 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Am I nervous? Now? I don't get nervous? 400 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: But how do you prepare for this? You just go 401 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: in and your fake how big. It's just like it's 402 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: just like basketball, Like I'm sticking to my strengths. He's 403 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more acrobatic. I'm a lot more power. 404 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: So if I get a hold of him, I'm gonna 405 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: display this power. I've been a wrestling fan all my life. 406 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: I've been practicing UFC, I've been training all my life. 407 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: So he challenged me. I accepted to John, So I'll 408 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: be ready. Who was your favorite wrestler grown? Now? Well, 409 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: I had a lot of Andre John of course, whole 410 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: Kovie Big Show until of behind Junkyard Dogt, Tony Atlas, 411 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: Kabuki rock guys that were, you know, very very rock 412 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: lestener guys have displayed nothing but power. How would you 413 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: have done against Andre the Giant? I would have beat him, 414 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: would have beat the silly like I beat Charles Marcy. Yeah, 415 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: but there's the Andre the Giant is too. Charles Barklay's 416 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: and I thought you were going to uh to wrestle 417 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: big show. That that was that that was a few 418 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: years ago. Wasn't it that you guys were gonna wrestle? Yeah? 419 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: It was, but you know, you never could happen. You know, 420 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: we faced off in the ring. Un listen, he's a 421 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: big he's a big, strong fellow. I would love to, 422 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, have that, but you know, you can't let 423 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: you can't let a little guy challenging and you know 424 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: what accept see. At first, I was just gonna walk 425 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: away from but they were Arry and Kenny and Charles 426 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 1: brought it to the show and uh so could you 427 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: take Ernie, Kenny and Shock at the same time, Ernie, 428 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Kenny and Chuck? Yes, yeah, yes, you could take those 429 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, of course Kenny's Kenny's not 430 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: gonna do anything, Ernest superpressional, doness me and Chuck and 431 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna just trying to break Chuck's neck. So 432 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: let's move. Who would make you nervous? Though? In the 433 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: NBA right now, is there a player if you got 434 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: into the ring with that person, you go, all right, 435 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: you got my attention. No, how about the history of 436 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: the NBA, there was a lot of guys that was 437 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: that was real tough. A lot of guys are real 438 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: from mostly mostly the Knicks. Guys they were they were, 439 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: they were the toughest guys, Okay, Mason, Uh, guys like that. 440 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: I never played against executive down the mcguns. But he 441 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: seemed to be really tough. But but not no, no, 442 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: because you know, play playing against the Knicks, they tooched 443 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: you every time he came to home. Not every now 444 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: that every time they treated you differently. They they played me. 445 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: They played me hard, which I like, I love And 446 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: it's something that you have to endure if you want 447 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: to become great. You hold a grudge against anybody with 448 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: how they play you or play you. Never nothing. You 449 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: were able to just walk away. Yeah, because it it Uh, 450 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: it made me made me better, let me know. I 451 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: had to step up, letting me know it wasn't that great. 452 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Like you know, a lot of people take flat. I 453 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: take flat a lot of people right now, Oh, you're 454 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: too hard on the answers. Well, I'm just doing what 455 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: was done to me. I can't remember when I was 456 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: averaging thirty thirty five in LA but we always get 457 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: swept and the great can remember. Do what your boss said? Hey, 458 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: you don't want the championship yet? Did I? Why did 459 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: I cry that I complain on social media? No? I 460 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: didn't say anything because care we might do. Jabbar had 461 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: G fourteen classification to say that I have a just 462 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: seat with the greatest NBA pleever. So when he said that, 463 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: when he gave me constructive criticism, I took it and 464 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: I listened, and I brought my game to another level. 465 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: So these guys now they're they're putting pops. You say 466 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: something about them, old, That's what was Karl Malone talk 467 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: on you. Well, we never got to we never got to, 468 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: like across match up a lot. But every time I 469 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: guard him, he was just taking me outside. But he 470 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: was very very strong. Lane Beer, did you cross pants 471 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: with Lane Beer? Yeah, we got into a sort of 472 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: a scuffle. They you know, hacker Shack was documented in 473 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 1: two thousand, but you know, guys, you know during then 474 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: all the time and you just get it. Grabbed me 475 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: in five I called I called him Beard towards towards 476 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: his end. So I'm not going to dis restrict round 477 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: Beard because I actually see what he did, seeing how 478 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: he did it, and he kind of kind of helped 479 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: me with my game growing up. He was smart. He 480 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: knew his limitation shank. You know, yeah, very smart, very 481 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: smart and played the right way. He played with a 482 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: lot of passion. I was watching me a documentary. He 483 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: said he used to love to go agitate fans and 484 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: other nas because I got him going and you missed 485 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: Bird right by a year. Yes, I missed everybody here. 486 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: But somebody was telling me that Bird was the biggest 487 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: smack conker in the game. And they said did Scott 488 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: told me Larry Bird told him the move he was 489 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: gonna do, and do it and then and did it. 490 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: So you know I was I wasn't a fan of 491 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: Larry Bird brow because I thought everything he did was lucky. 492 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: But then when I like he my friends two tracks, 493 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: I was magic and Mitch was burd and Mischian do 494 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: the same thing. Burton Mitche had the long hair and 495 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: he did everything Bird. One day he was playing seven 496 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: inass and it was time three or three and he 497 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: shot that same over the shot over the backboard shot 498 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: the bird. I was so mad, but instantly got into 499 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: a fight. But you know when I I started, you know, 500 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: getting over and you know see the same guys putting 501 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: the work. I realized that he is one of the 502 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: greatest players ever and it's not lucky, it's all skilled. 503 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: And you wanted to be magic, Yes I did, and 504 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: that's why, you know, for a big guy, my handles 505 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: were pretty good. My saying I had great handles terrible 506 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: so I used to be magic, you know, the passes, 507 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: the look aways, you know, bringing the ball on court, 508 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: making a great play. Yes, I was mentioned. Well, I 509 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: saw where Cedric Maxwell and Rick Carlisle they've likened Luca 510 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: don Check to Larry Bird. I could I could see 511 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: that it's kind of unfair at that age to do it. 512 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: Though to him, shock, I mean, it is unfair, but 513 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: you know he listen, I could tell he wants to 514 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: be great. He will be great. He has a lot 515 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: to live up to. I remember my second year when 516 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: they named me to the NBA Top fifty. People were 517 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: going crazy, Oh he only been in two years, obviously 518 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: one of the top fifty players. But I knew. I 519 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: was like, okay, oh you know all the time I 520 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: was over thing, I'm one of the fifty year players. 521 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: Watched this, so I know Luca And listen, Luca has 522 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: been a pros in sixteen, so you know he's already 523 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: going up to just the best, and then two to 524 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: three years, everybody's gonna be paid out. You know. I 525 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: saw I saw a post one day. I don't want 526 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: to get the ages wrong, but it was like Lebron 527 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: thirty six, round thirty four, Curry thirty two, and then 528 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: they at the bottom and said they enjoy it. And 529 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: I kind of scared when I was like, man, these guys. 530 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: I never knew these guys were in their thirties. But 531 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, four or five years from now, we're gonna 532 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: started looking at the you know, the Donovan Mitchell, you 533 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: know Zach Lamaine. You know it's gonna be a new breath, 534 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, takeover. Do you think we'll have anybody ever 535 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: surpassed Kobe's eighty one? Tomorrow's the anniversary of Wilts one hundred. 536 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: Do you think we have somebody get to eighty? If 537 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: anybody could do it, I think it could be James, Kyrie, 538 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: k d Steph, Devin Booker. Those only names that come 539 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: to mind right now that could probably surpass that. Yeah, 540 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: eighty one is that's a big number. It is a 541 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: big number. I always wondered though, like, what do you 542 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: because Wilt did it and he was the biggest guy 543 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: back then and they just feding the ball, But do 544 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: you think you could have gone for a hundred. I 545 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: would have to be shooting sevent the free line deck 546 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: because Wilt was twenty eight to thirty two in that 547 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: game from the line when he had a hundred. I 548 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: would have to have I would have to have a 549 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: great night. I would have to have a lot of 550 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: three seconds calls not called. I would have to have 551 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: a lot of easy points, and I would have to 552 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: have no double the triple team. It would be possible. Yeah, 553 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: that wouldn't happen. What are you wearing, by the way 554 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: on Wednesday night? Because I'm not going to disrespect the 555 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: wrestlers by trying to do what they do with metal wrestling. 556 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: Were amusing metal wrestling around the father wearing swept pants 557 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: and coming to work. Oh okay, so you can't wear 558 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: like the tights like the British Bulldogs Like you can't. 559 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: I can, But I don't want to disrespect the wrestlers. 560 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: I have a lot of the step from the wrestlers. 561 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: They are tremendous athletes. Now, I don't want to take 562 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: this shot. I don't want people to think I'm mocking 563 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: the sport. So this is a fight. I'm coming to 564 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: his world in my fight clothes. What's the coolest thing 565 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: in the room there with you? Uh? Let me see that. 566 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: All my trophies up there. So yeah, looks pretty good. 567 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: And when my father passed away, he was a military 568 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: drill sergeant. Dust is flat, they fold it, so I 569 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: always done with me my MVP. I think that's my 570 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year of Trumphy right there. Man. Oh, 571 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: so you should have another MVP in their shack. Oh, 572 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I know that it's in Steve Nash's house. Hey, Steve, 573 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: did you ever say anything to him about that MVP? No, 574 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: I'll do it for you. I have a question of you, okay, 575 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: most valuable player? Right, yeah, it's supposed to be single, right, 576 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: So why do people say whichever team has the best 577 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: best records? Some most lable teams, most lable player. I 578 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: always thought most viable player was a guy with the 579 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: most valuable stats, not about the guy who's the best record, 580 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: because I think I lost the Steve trust because their 581 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: record was man. But Jack, if you said player of 582 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: the Year, then that would be different than most valuable 583 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: I think, and then you might you might have people 584 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: vote differently if it was for player of the Year, 585 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: not most valuable player. So mostaple players should be rewarded 586 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: for the guy that has the best stats on the 587 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: team as the best record. But you know, The media 588 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: loves a great story. Shock. That's why when you know 589 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the Greek Freak is not going to win the MVP 590 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: this year, no matter how great he is, they want 591 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: a good story, like Lebron is a good story. It's 592 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: been like seven years, James Harden now going to a 593 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: new team. Maybe MVP. About Steph Curry, well, I know 594 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: that was my pick to start the year, but I 595 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: thought if Clay Thompson stayed healthy, they were going to 596 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: compete for a championship. But I never understood how they 597 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: voted for the most player. And I think Steph Curry. 598 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree with me. I think 599 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: Steph Curry is the most influential basketball player of the 600 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: last thirty years because he's given everybody hope that they 601 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: could play in the end. Be a I'm watching these 602 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: little kids now, Yeah, and I'm like, bro, I've never 603 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: seen a little kid dude like that. Yes, I would 604 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: agree because I can't be like you and I can't 605 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: be like Mike. But there's a chance I might be 606 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: able to shoot like Steph. Yes, they give us hope. 607 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: They give us hope. Good luck on Wednesday night. It's 608 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: always great to talk to you. I don't. I'm gonna 609 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: go out on limb and I think you're gonna win 610 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: on Wednesday Night. I know I'm a little win Oh 611 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: you are? You know you're gonna win. Yes, this is 612 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: a fake Michael Liles. Whatever it takes for me to win. 613 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: But I gotta do put out a little you know, 614 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: dirty moves. Yeah, yeah, hell, yes, I don't blame you. Uh, 615 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: thank you, Sean. Great to talk to you. What are 616 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: we doing a movie again? We talk too? Uh? Well, Sam? 617 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: And did that basketball one? Which one? He shot one? 618 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: It's not done yet. Oh he didn't ask you about 619 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: being in the No. The last movie I did with 620 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: him was the Hubie Halloween. Yeah yeah, yeah, me too, 621 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: mister brother. I'm thinking Happy Gilmore too. Hey whatever whatever 622 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: I had him needed on there, you could be. Hey, 623 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you could be as Caddy all Yes, shot Caddy, Thank you, 624 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: Thank you, Bud. That's Shaquille O'Neal.