WEBVTT - The Great Big Yarn of Mel's Hole 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.920 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.600 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:18.520 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is a well, yeah, 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.439 an episode of Stuff You Should. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.120 Be I have to say I'm fairly excited about this one. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.720 Oh good, I'm so glad. I couldn't tell because sometimes 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.520 you're just like, this is so stupid when it's oh, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.080 it is okay, but I'm well, yeah, but you're not 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.479 excited about how stupid it is. So I'm glad. I'm 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.920 really glad to hear that, because I am too. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.320 No, I mean, I'm excited in that it is completely 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:46.640 preposterous and silly, but in the fun tinfoil hat paranormal 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:47.840 sort of way that those are fun. 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.800 So I maybe we should start over again, because I 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.559 feel like we've really like released a spoiler here that 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.760 this is probably just a story a yarn. I was 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.840 gonna save that for that. Well, we're talking about actually, 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.880 the way that we're approaching it is one of the 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:10.959 most interesting stories legends modern urban legends to come out 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.000 of a show, a radio show that was well known 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.960 for producing all sorts of urban legends and amazing Stories 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:19.880 Coast to Coast AM. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.960 That's right. Its host was Art Bell. He himself, along 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.280 with his wife, claimed that they had their own UFO 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.600 encounter in the mid nineties. And the show started out 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.160 in the eighties, was syndicated ninety three and it was 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.400 not you know, it sounds like sort of a very 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.360 niche thing, but it actually became very popular and Art 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.559 Bell became a very famous radio host. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.759 Yeah, he was in ratings for a while there. I'm 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.080 guessing the early to mid nineties. He was just behind 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.040 Rush Limbaugh and doctor Loris Schlessinger. That is up there 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.400 as far as radio hosts go. And he started to 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.160 retire in two thousand. He finally did host his last 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.440 episode in twenty ten, but the show continues on. Host 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.639 George Newery took over full time in two thousand and two. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.000 He's still doing it. And the whole premise of the 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.359 show was that you would fax Art Bell or now 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.600 George Newry. I don't know if he still has the facts, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.720 but definitely Art Bud. You would send him a fax 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.000 and basically say, hey, I've got this crazy story. And 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.920 if it was, you know, interesting to Himry thought he 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.040 wanted to know more about it or his audience would 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.680 he would give you a call and you, guys, would 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.359 have a conversation. He would interview you on the phone 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.360 live on air, and then eventually people could call in 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.720 and ask you questions. That was pretty much the format 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:43.160 of the show. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.760 Yeah, and in this case of Mel Mel Waters and 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.760 his hole and don't worry, it's not going to be 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:51.480 anything like that. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.200 No. Jerry was like, Oh, this can go so many 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.840 different ways, guys. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.560 This was five conversations on this show over the span 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.079 of five years. Again, the guy's name was Mel Waters 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:09.200 and he lived in Ellensburg, Washington, kind of right smack 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.639 dab in the middle of Washington State. And he said, 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.640 I have a hole on my property. This property I 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.919 don't live at right now because there's some snow damage 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.000 to the house there. So I live in town in 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.679 an apartment or something. But on this property that I own, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.680 which is nine miles outside of Ellensburg, which is also 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.200 a rural you know, in and of itself, he said, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.720 it's up on the Manitash Ridge and it's a very 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:39.840 strange hole. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.160 Yeah, it's not your average hole for sure, and we're 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.160 talking about on the ground we should Yes, thank you, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.480 for saying that, because there's some people out there who 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.800 are so twisted they still didn't understand what kind of 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.040 hole we're talking about. We're talking about a hole in 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:58.080 the ground. It's like a well, sure, but way more 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.120 different than a well. But yes, you could like in 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.000 it to a well, because it's about nine feet in diameter. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.400 The first fifteen or so feet down it was stone, right, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.880 so it was lined with stone. That's very well like. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.040 Then there was soil then to turn into rock, and 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.120 it had about a three and a half foot barrier 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.760 wall around it to keep people from just walking right 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:21.280 into it. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:22.359 Yeah, very welly. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.520 Yeah, and Mel hadn't built that wall. The previous owner had. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.039 But one of the things that makes the story so 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.320 interesting it caught the attention and imagination of so many people. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.120 It's super out there. But if you listen to Mel, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.279 he comes off as essentially as perplexed as you do. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.159 You know, He's like, this hole has been here since 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.080 the dawn of time apparently, and he's you know, just 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.120 kind of learned about it since he bought the property, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.359 and he has lots of questions about it. He's just 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.000 reporting the stuff that he's learned. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.880 Yeah, exactly. He doesn't come across as the usual sort 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.600 of tinfoil hat type, not at all. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:56.760 No, not at all. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.520 And I'm sure you know you listen to the stuff 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.479 as well, so we can both verify that he comes 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.279 across this credible even to our sort of skeptical ears 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.560 for sure. But like you said, he said it had 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.919 been there a long time. The previous owners said it 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.920 was there when he got there. Supposedly it had been 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:15.080 around since maybe the dawn of time. The European settlers 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.960 apparently knew about it. The local indigenous people avoided it. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.599 They said it was cursed. Locals called it the devil's hole. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.760 And that's all well and good, well and good. But 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:33.120 here's where it gets interesting, in that the properties of 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.239 the hole and the things that surround the hole are 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.680 really interesting according to this story. First of which is 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.039 he's like, hey, people have been dumping stuff in this 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.640 hole for as long as I know. There's probably like 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.120 twenty people that come around. They dump in dead livestock, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.320 they dump in appliances that don't work. There's a weekly 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.520 truckload of old tires that get dumped in there. And 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.279 this thing has never ever filled up. And when you 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.640 drop stuff in it, you can't hear anything. 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.320 Yeah, Okay, it's pretty strange. I mean, but you could 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.040 also chalk it up to just an exceptionally deep hole 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:13.280 in the ground. Agreed. The thing is, there's even stranger 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.400 properties to this hole. One of them is actually kind 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.080 of hard to wrap your head around. A neighbor saw 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:25.120 a black beam shooting out of the hole skyward, and 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.240 I think it might have even been at night, but 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.040 it was so black and absorbed so much of the 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.440 light around it that it stood out at night A 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.880 beam of blackness, not a beam of light, A beam 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.080 of a basically avoid shooting out of the hole. And 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.960 I mean, if you ask your average hole expert, they're 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.799 going to tell you that is unusual behavior for any hole. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.880 Yeah, as spinal tap would say, it was none more black. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.279 I pictured the smoke monster from Lost. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:58.640 Personally, I hadn't started Lost, But thanks for that. You 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.160 were going to get around to it any day now. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.240 I'll be on the lookout for the smoke Monster. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.960 We also meant it should have mentioned that apparently nothing 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.720 echoed when you screamed into it. But those previous things 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.239 you could explain, I guess by it just being so deep, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.600 you know, because an echo's created by hitting a bottom 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.240 and bouncing back. So I don't really know if every deep, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.680 deep hole will echo back, but all that can kind 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:25.320 of be explained. That the black beam coming out is 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.840 very very strange and cannot be explained, and that's where 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.640 it starts to go kind of truly weird. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.840 Yeah. So he also he was reporting information that he 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.920 gathered from neighbors, you know, as this hole started to 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.920 pique his interest, he wanted to learn more about it. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.480 And one neighbor said that there used to be stones 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.280 lined up around the edge of it, and I guess 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.320 that reminded Mel of Stonehenge, and he showed his neighbor 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.520 a picture of Stone Hedge. He said, Yep, it was 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.800 exactly like that, except it didn't have the stones, the 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.160 lintels going across the top laid down on top. And 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.000 it's exactly that kind of detail that added credibility to 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.600 Mel's story. None of it was whole hog like. Yes, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.760 it looked exactly like stonehets chew on that it didn't 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:13.920 have the stones at top like just little alterations like 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.880 that that he would concede were just just kept it 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.440 from from just being totally unbelievable and eye rolly, I think, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:22.600 is what I'm trying to say. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.120 Yeah, unless you just attached this to it, said his 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.040 elderly neighbor. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.360 Yes, right, or his nephew comes up later he mentions 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.160 his nephew, but his nephew never gains a name. It 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.640 is very much like that, for sure. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.720 I think I would have been much more intrigued if 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.960 there had been a photograph of any of this, but anyway, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.200 there wasn't. There was. Also, it gets a little stranger. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.440 There was a gun, oh, a World War Two era 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.920 Walter P thirty eight, which was a German gun intended 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:55.440 to replace the German Luger pistol. And he, as we'll learn, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.839 Mel was a gardener and worked in like medicinal herbs. 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.000 And so while he was digging around, he found this 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.280 gun buried and when he went to shoot it, and 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.640 this is where I have a few questions. Apparently the 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:14.640 gun shot silently. I wonder what that means. I wonder 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.800 if it didn't make any sound at all, or if 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.440 it just sounded like it was had a suppressor on it, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.480 or if it just you know, the actual movement of 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.400 the physical movement of the gun didn't even make a noise. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.080 As I took it. It didn't make any noise whatsoever. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.040 But as bizarre as that sounds, it had even stranger 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.760 properties too. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.720 That's right. If you put this gun down by radio, 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.840 it becomes a time travel machine, because the radio would 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:47.040 all of a sudden start playing just random radio broadcasts 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.280 from different places in different times. Apparently, if you moved 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.520 your hand away from the gun, the station would change, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.360 and you had to hold very still to stay on 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.960 the station. And if you stayed still for long enough 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.559 and stayed on a station long enough, it would produce 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.280 a sound that was quote out of time. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.280 Okay, now let's just bear this in mind too. If 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.240 you haven't listened to Mel's fall, I encourage you to 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.080 go listen. There's like it's all it's five hours long, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.160 all like all of this unfolded over five years with 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:20.440 across five calls. Like Mel is not aware of what 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.560 questions he's going to be asked by Art Bell. He's 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.439 not aware of what questions the callers are going to 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.440 ask him, as far as we know. And if you 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.040 listen to him like this does not sound rehearsed or 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.360 scripted or anything like that. So even setting aside like 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.800 the idea that this is possibly real and just taking 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.359 it like a story. This guy was one of the 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.200 best storytellers in the history of the world. If he's 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.280 just making all this up as he goes along, basically. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.080 Yeah, which made me think it was perhaps set up 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.839 in shady art. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.800 No, ur Bell wouldn't have been involved in that. Now, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:53.760 how do you know he does? 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:54.160 Art Bell? 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:59.760 He he was a credible host, Okay for sure. Okay, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.160 I think that's why people loved him so much, Like 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:03.840 he wasn't gonna get caught up in something like that. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.760 People might call up and pull his leg even asked 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.480 Smell once, like are you pulling my leg? I I 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.360 really don't think he was the kind of person who 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.160 would who would set something like that up. He didn't 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.920 need to. People would call in and he could just 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.480 be the credible guy asking questions and they like, he 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.280 didn't need to set it up. People would just do 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:24.920 it anyway. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.520 No, I know. I'm just saying, if it was unearthed, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.319 like the greatest hoax, art Bell ever pulled this this 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.200 funny trick, like you would say like, well, that's not possible, 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.400 because Art Bell would never do something like, no. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.000 I mean if there were irrefutable evidence that he had 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.079 done and or he admitted to doing it, of course, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.840 I mean I'm not insane, Okay, That's. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.480 What I'm saying. Is that just you just never know. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.840 You never know whether I'm insane or not. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.720 I always know that you're you're not. Thanks, man, I'm 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.520 just catching casting a skeptics eye on this, I understand. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.840 Yeah, I don't mean to berat you for that. I 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.160 was just arguing in favor of. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:00.400 Right now, Arbe would never do. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.959 I had no idea. I felt this passionately about Art 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:03.720 Bell and his intention. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:10.280 All right, So moving on the whole apparently, and these 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.200 were stories that even Mel said could be apocryphal, but 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.000 he said a neighbor said that they threw their dead 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.599 dog into the hole, and that same dog, with the 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:25.360 same collar and tags was alive in the woods later on. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.480 So it brought this dog back to life. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.320 Yes, very pet cemetery ish. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.160 Yeah, but other dogs wouldn't go near the hole. Yeah, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:32.760 he's scared of it. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.880 He said his own dogs wouldn't go anywhere near the 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.120 damn thing. Was his quote. Yeah, and Art Bell jumped 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.560 on this, He's like, well, wait a minute. If this 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:44.240 thing is able to resurrect things, have you ever considered, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.360 you know, being thrown in there? Or I think he said, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.720 if you're ever diagnosed with a terminal disease, would you 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.640 jump in yourself? And already ten steps ahead of a 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.640 Mel said, it's actually in my will that I'd be 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.719 thrown into the hole after I'd die. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.080 Of good why not give it a shot? You know? 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.679 Yeah, so Chuck, I say, we take a break here 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.560 and we'll come back and talk about some of the 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.080 tests that Mel applied to the whole to try to 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.520 get to the bottom of it. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:38.000 Ah. Nice pun, Thank you, We'll be right back. Stucks stuck, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.360 you know it. Stucks. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.120 It's a great name. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.640 That's the name of it. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.520 It's a great name. All right, stucks net with with 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:50.080 an X. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.040 Did you mean that pun? 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.400 Uh? Yeah I did. Can I feel ashamed? 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.360 You shouldn't? That was a good that's quality pun. And 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.320 neither one of them are super into pun. But that 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:01.840 was a really good one. Oh, very clever. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.120 Well. I actually did the whole like arching point too, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.120 as I said it, which really punctuates upun. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:09.920 It sure does, it punctuates it. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.760 That was good too, Thanks, So I think I said 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.120 before the break that Mel started figuring out ways to 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.400 investigate this. First of all, he wanted to know how 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.160 deep it was. Yeah, And it turns out that Mel 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.160 was what he calls pretty close to a professional shark fisherman, 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:29.360 or at least he used to be. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:30.720 Yeah. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.560 So that means that he had on the property a 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:38.160 lot of really heavy, sturdy shark fishing reels. Anyone who's 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.400 seen Jaws knows that those are sturdy reels. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:41.160 Yeah. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.240 He also had a ton of line, like a lot 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.560 of wine. And so he tied a one pound triangular 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.320 or pyramidal weight to the end of a line. Uh, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.600 and he started slowly paying it out, And we should 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.560 we should back up a little bit because he used 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.400 the line differently the first time. He tied a roll 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.960 of life savers to the end of it once and 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.400 then paid it out fifteen hundred yards and when he 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.160 brought it back up, the lifesavers were intact, indicating to 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.040 him that even fifteen hundred yards down, he hadn't hit 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:12.880 the water table. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.720 Yeah. I would have used a sponge, but that's just me. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.080 Oh that's a good one. That's a great one. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:18.880 Thanks. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.600 So back to the line, he's after the Lifesavers thing. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.240 He started just paying out line using his shark reel. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:31.000 Right, yes, and he goes down over fifteen miles about 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:35.400 eighty thousand feet into the hole, allegedly not hitting the bottom, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:42.360 and art Bell noted trusted radio hosts said yeah, you know, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.640 you might want to call a university or something like 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.840 they would probably want to look into this and research this. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.280 And Mel was like, hey, that's funny. My wife works 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.680 for a local university here what he don't think? He 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.400 said the school, but didn't. People surmise online it was 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.120 probably what would it have been, Central Washington? Is that 0:15:59.160 --> 0:15:59.800 a university? 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.240 Yeah, Central Washington. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.480 Yeah, And so anyway, he said, I've been talking to 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.040 my wife and she's been talking to the university and 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.240 apparently they're pretty interested. And then callers started calling in 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.320 saying things like, hey, you should use a sponge. Well 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.280 they didn't say that, but they should have, but they said, hey, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.360 we have ideas on how to find out how deep 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.920 this is. And also, if this is as deep as 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.200 you say, it's like twice as deep as the Marianas Trench. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.880 And even though this wasn't in the show, it's also 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.640 twice as deep as the deepest hole, which is Russia's 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.920 Cola super deep borehole, which is just a little over 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.640 forty thousand feet, so this is double that. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.800 Yeah, it was cute. So we're talking. I don't know 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.360 if we even said this or not. This whole thing 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.720 started in nineteen ninety seven. So when that caller calls 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.280 up with the information about the Marianna's trench, she says 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.600 that he went and consulted his encyclopedia. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:52.800 Very cute. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.520 Yeah, it is super cute. So, yes, this is a 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.960 This would very like far and away be the world's 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.440 deepest hole, and it's an impossible hole in that sense. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.120 We'll get a little more into that, but that essentially 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.520 was the first call, and we've peppered in some stuff 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.760 from other calls, but that's the basics of the hole 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.719 and what Mel said he had done so far. Some 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.800 of the listeners that called in were like, you should 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.520 put temperature sensors and lower those down and maybe a 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.800 video camera. Yeah, sure, radar can come into this somehow, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.320 and radar was like, leave me out of this. And essentially, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.320 like I was saying, that's the first call. So the 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.680 first call happens, and then a week later, Mel Waters 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.920 appears again on Coast to Coast am and he has 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.040 like very distressing news this time. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.520 That's right, he said, all right, I went back to 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.840 the property and I couldn't get back on. It was 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.080 blocked off by military personnel and they said you can't 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.199 come on your own property. He said, there was a 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.000 plane crash and you can't come on. And Mel was like, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.640 there wasn't any plane crash. Like I would have known 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.080 about this. I don't live too far away. It would 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.359 have made noise, I would have seen smoke. There was 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.199 nothing indicating that there was a plane crash. Give me 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.320 the person in charge. And they trotted out somebody not 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:13.120 in military fatigues, which is very X filesy. Anytime there's 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.400 somebody in charge wearing a suit with the military, it's 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.639 very X files. He had very bad news. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.520 Yeah, Mel turned into a bit of a care in there. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:23.199 Yeah. 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.520 So this person whoever it was that wasn't in military 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.440 guard was in an X file suit smoking a cigarette 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:34.840 bro probably, He says, So what's the problem. And Mel says, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.159 this is my property. I want to get onto my properties. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.280 The guy in the suit, So that's not going to happen, 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.280 and this isn't necessarily your property, and if you want 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.280 to go ahead, that's fine. But I'll bet we could 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.080 very easily find a drug lab on your land and 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.080 then there'd be a whole bunch of problems for you 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.840 that you don't need if you'll just turn around and leave. Yeah, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.440 that really got to mel for sure. He was spooked, 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:57.280 to say the least. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.879 Yeah, as he should have been, because he did have 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.000 a lab on the property. He was not cooking drugs, 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.480 but like I mentioned earlier, he was into medicinal herbs 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.760 and plants and things like that that he would source 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:13.320 from northern Nevada that, you know, traditional herbs and things 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.720 that have been used by Native Americans for you know, eons. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.119 And he said, I do have a lab here, and 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.840 they could probably frame me pretty easily, so I'm not 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.720 sure what to do. He also learned around the same 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.520 time that the predecessor to I guess Google Earth was 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.439 something called Terra Server, where they had just satellite aerial 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.639 satellite images of the Earth. He was like, my property's 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.360 blocked out on that thing. Now. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.000 Yeah, and Art Bell he did his research because he's 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.960 very reliable and trustworthy, and he found a server a 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.760 Terra server image and found like this is yeah, you 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.920 can't see his property. I think it's on Google MAMPs today. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.280 Laura doctor Claw helps us out with us, and she 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.560 points out that there's a nearby military installation. It's called 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.080 the Yakama Training Center. It's an army training center, but 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.439 it also includes a NSA listening station. And that's not 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.840 conspiracy theory. That's the Seattle Post intelligence are reporting that 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.960 there's an NSA listening station there that in and of 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.720 itself could block out a large segment of the central 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.560 Washington I think on Terror Server. Yeah. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.760 I also saw and this is Unreddit and since this 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.720 is all bunk anyway, we might as well just mention 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.240 stuff like this. But there were dudes on Reddit that 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:30.000 were like, you can see where Google Earth has cloned 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:34.400 images and overlaid them over the spot where the hole 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:34.800 should be. 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.760