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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is a well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: an episode of Stuff You Should.

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Speaker 3: Be I have to say I'm fairly excited about this one.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm so glad. I couldn't tell because sometimes

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Speaker 2: you're just like, this is so stupid when it's oh,

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Speaker 2: it is okay, but I'm well, yeah, but you're not

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Speaker 2: excited about how stupid it is. So I'm glad. I'm

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Speaker 2: really glad to hear that, because I am too.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm excited in that it is completely

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Speaker 3: preposterous and silly, but in the fun tinfoil hat paranormal

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Speaker 3: sort of way that those are fun.

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Speaker 2: So I maybe we should start over again, because I

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Speaker 2: feel like we've really like released a spoiler here that

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Speaker 2: this is probably just a story a yarn. I was

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Speaker 2: gonna save that for that. Well, we're talking about actually,

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Speaker 2: the way that we're approaching it is one of the

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Speaker 2: most interesting stories legends modern urban legends to come out

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Speaker 2: of a show, a radio show that was well known

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Speaker 2: for producing all sorts of urban legends and amazing Stories

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Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Its host was Art Bell. He himself, along

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Speaker 3: with his wife, claimed that they had their own UFO

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Speaker 3: encounter in the mid nineties. And the show started out

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Speaker 3: in the eighties, was syndicated ninety three and it was

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Speaker 3: not you know, it sounds like sort of a very

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Speaker 3: niche thing, but it actually became very popular and Art

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Speaker 3: Bell became a very famous radio host.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in ratings for a while there. I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing the early to mid nineties. He was just behind

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Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh and doctor Loris Schlessinger. That is up there

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Speaker 2: as far as radio hosts go. And he started to

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Speaker 2: retire in two thousand. He finally did host his last

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Speaker 2: episode in twenty ten, but the show continues on. Host

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Speaker 2: George Newery took over full time in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 2: He's still doing it. And the whole premise of the

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Speaker 2: show was that you would fax Art Bell or now

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Speaker 2: George Newry. I don't know if he still has the facts,

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Speaker 2: but definitely Art Bud. You would send him a fax

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Speaker 2: and basically say, hey, I've got this crazy story. And

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Speaker 2: if it was, you know, interesting to Himry thought he

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Speaker 2: wanted to know more about it or his audience would

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Speaker 2: he would give you a call and you, guys, would

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Speaker 2: have a conversation. He would interview you on the phone

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Speaker 2: live on air, and then eventually people could call in

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Speaker 2: and ask you questions. That was pretty much the format

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Speaker 2: of the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in this case of Mel Mel Waters and

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Speaker 3: his hole and don't worry, it's not going to be

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Speaker 3: anything like that.

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Speaker 2: No. Jerry was like, Oh, this can go so many

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Speaker 2: different ways, guys.

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Speaker 3: This was five conversations on this show over the span

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Speaker 3: of five years. Again, the guy's name was Mel Waters

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Speaker 3: and he lived in Ellensburg, Washington, kind of right smack

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Speaker 3: dab in the middle of Washington State. And he said,

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Speaker 3: I have a hole on my property. This property I

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Speaker 3: don't live at right now because there's some snow damage

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Speaker 3: to the house there. So I live in town in

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Speaker 3: an apartment or something. But on this property that I own,

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Speaker 3: which is nine miles outside of Ellensburg, which is also

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Speaker 3: a rural you know, in and of itself, he said,

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Speaker 3: it's up on the Manitash Ridge and it's a very

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Speaker 3: strange hole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not your average hole for sure, and we're

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Speaker 2: talking about on the ground we should Yes, thank you,

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Speaker 2: for saying that, because there's some people out there who

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Speaker 2: are so twisted they still didn't understand what kind of

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Speaker 2: hole we're talking about. We're talking about a hole in

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Speaker 2: the ground. It's like a well, sure, but way more

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Speaker 2: different than a well. But yes, you could like in

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Speaker 2: it to a well, because it's about nine feet in diameter.

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Speaker 2: The first fifteen or so feet down it was stone, right,

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Speaker 2: so it was lined with stone. That's very well like.

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Speaker 2: Then there was soil then to turn into rock, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very welly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mel hadn't built that wall. The previous owner had.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that makes the story so

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Speaker 2: It's super out there. But if you listen to Mel,

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Speaker 2: he comes off as essentially as perplexed as you do.

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Speaker 2: You know, He's like, this hole has been here since

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Speaker 2: the dawn of time apparently, and he's you know, just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. He doesn't come across as the usual sort

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Speaker 3: of tinfoil hat type, not at all.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you know you listen to the stuff

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Speaker 3: across this credible even to our sort of skeptical ears

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Speaker 3: for sure. But like you said, he said it had

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Speaker 3: apparently knew about it. The local indigenous people avoided it.

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Speaker 3: They said it was cursed. Locals called it the devil's hole.

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Speaker 3: And that's all well and good, well and good. But

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Speaker 3: here's where it gets interesting, in that the properties of

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Speaker 3: the hole and the things that surround the hole are

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Speaker 3: really interesting according to this story. First of which is

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Speaker 3: he's like, hey, people have been dumping stuff in this

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Speaker 3: hole for as long as I know. There's probably like

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Speaker 3: twenty people that come around. They dump in dead livestock,

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Speaker 3: they dump in appliances that don't work. There's a weekly

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Speaker 3: truckload of old tires that get dumped in there. And

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Speaker 3: this thing has never ever filled up. And when you

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Speaker 3: drop stuff in it, you can't hear anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's pretty strange. I mean, but you could

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Speaker 2: also chalk it up to just an exceptionally deep hole

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Speaker 2: in the ground. Agreed. The thing is, there's even stranger

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Speaker 2: properties to this hole. One of them is actually kind

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Speaker 2: of hard to wrap your head around. A neighbor saw

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Speaker 2: a black beam shooting out of the hole skyward, and

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Speaker 2: I think it might have even been at night, but

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Speaker 2: beam of blackness, not a beam of light, A beam

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you ask your average hole expert, they're

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Speaker 2: going to tell you that is unusual behavior for any hole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as spinal tap would say, it was none more black.

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Speaker 3: I pictured the smoke monster from Lost.

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Speaker 2: Personally, I hadn't started Lost, But thanks for that. You

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Speaker 2: were going to get around to it any day now.

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Speaker 2: I'll be on the lookout for the smoke Monster.

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Speaker 3: We also meant it should have mentioned that apparently nothing

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Speaker 3: echoed when you screamed into it. But those previous things

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Speaker 3: you could explain, I guess by it just being so deep,

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Speaker 3: deep hole will echo back, but all that can kind

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Speaker 3: of be explained. That the black beam coming out is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he also he was reporting information that he

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Speaker 2: And one neighbor said that there used to be stones

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Speaker 2: that reminded Mel of Stonehenge, and he showed his neighbor

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Speaker 2: exactly like that, except it didn't have the stones, the

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Speaker 2: it's exactly that kind of detail that added credibility to

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Speaker 2: it looked exactly like stonehets chew on that it didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you just attached this to it, said his

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, or his nephew comes up later he mentions

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Speaker 2: his nephew, but his nephew never gains a name. It

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Speaker 2: is very much like that, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think I would have been much more intrigued if

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Speaker 3: there had been a photograph of any of this, but anyway,

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Speaker 3: there wasn't. There was. Also, it gets a little stranger.

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Speaker 3: There was a gun, oh, a World War Two era

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Speaker 3: Mel was a gardener and worked in like medicinal herbs.

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Speaker 3: And so while he was digging around, he found this

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Speaker 2: As I took it. It didn't make any noise whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: But as bizarre as that sounds, it had even stranger

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Speaker 3: That's right. If you put this gun down by radio,

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Speaker 3: it becomes a time travel machine, because the radio would

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Speaker 3: from different places in different times. Apparently, if you moved

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Speaker 2: Okay, now let's just bear this in mind too. If

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Speaker 2: you haven't listened to Mel's fall, I encourage you to

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Speaker 2: go listen. There's like it's all it's five hours long,

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Speaker 2: all like all of this unfolded over five years with

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Speaker 2: questions he's going to be asked by Art Bell. He's

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Speaker 2: just making all this up as he goes along, basically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which made me think it was perhaps set up

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Speaker 3: in shady art.

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Speaker 2: No, ur Bell wouldn't have been involved in that. Now,

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Speaker 2: how do you know he does?

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Speaker 3: Art Bell?

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Speaker 2: He he was a credible host, Okay for sure. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think that's why people loved him so much, Like

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Speaker 2: People might call up and pull his leg even asked

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Speaker 2: Smell once, like are you pulling my leg? I I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chuck, I say, we take a break here

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Speaker 3: Ah. Nice pun, Thank you, We'll be right back. Stucks stuck,

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Speaker 3: That's the name of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I would have used a sponge, but that's just me.

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Speaker 3: And Mel was like, hey, that's funny. My wife works

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cute. So we're talking. I don't know

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Speaker 3: That's right, he said, all right, I went back to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as he should have been, because he did have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Art Bell he did his research because he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not the most incredible part of

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's coming through. Yeah, I mean, I hope

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Speaker 2: We'll see. I'm not exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So there's a couple other things that Mels had happened

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Speaker 3: That's right. And you know how he found this out.

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Speaker 2: So he was quite happy to find that shortly after

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00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: the government took over his land they did write by him,

438
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 2: and then some his real estate agent contacted him apparently

439
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: used the type to have a real estate agent and retainer. Yeah,

440
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: and they said, Mel, I've got great news for you.

441
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: You have an anonymou us offer to lease your land

442
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: indefinitely for a quarter of a million dollars a month.

443
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

444
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

445
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: I mean that's incredible. Uh, he said, you know this

446
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: is on the third call by now. He was like, yeah,

447
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 3: I took the deal because I'm in Australia right now, buddy,

448
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: and I'm getting rich here off the US government or

449
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: you know whatever unnamed le c or Lis or which

450
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 3: one would that be.

451
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: So he would be the less or they would be

452
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: the least. See, let's see, they would be the leasing

453
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: as far as car commercials have taught me.

454
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Art Bell and we believe everything he says.

455
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: He said that, hey, Mel is definitely in Australia. I've

456
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: gotten emails. I guess that we're dot au or something,

457
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 3: but he was somehow he was able to verify that

458
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: Mel was from in Australia. Yeah, and Mel also is

459
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: like and here's the other thing is like the government

460
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 3: took care of all this. They did all the paperwork.

461
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: They got my dogs over here. The Australian government was

462
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: cooperating and they were in on it. And I'm in

463
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: Australia now and I'm doing my medicinal herb growing here

464
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: to great effect.

465
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we should say also, we've been to Australia

466
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 2: for tour and it is not an easy country to

467
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: come into. They make you jump through lots of hoops.

468
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: So it's another suspicious thing too. I just want to

469
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: point out but.

470
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 3: We didn't have the government doing all the legwork.

471
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: Well exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like he did, like

472
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: so that's not Australia's normal, mo is what I'm trying

473
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: to say.

474
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not nothing, as they say.

475
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: One other thing that he tossed out there is that

476
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: so he was using his medicinal herbs secure people. He

477
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: also did some gratifying work rescuing wombats. Just through that

478
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: out there as an aside. I thought that was a

479
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: nice touch. And then there's one other thing too. Remember

480
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: the magical gun that made no sound and then played

481
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: radio broadcasts from other times and erows I do he

482
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: took that to Australia with him, probably also another hard

483
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: thing to do for the average person, and he used

484
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: it as a security deposit for his place that he rented.

485
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: He gave it to his landlord his security deposit. I

486
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: don't know why he would have needed to do that

487
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: if he was getting maybe he hadn't gotten the first

488
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: least payment yet.

489
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the weird all. That's not the weirdest part obviously,

490
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: but that's the part that makes the least just logical sense.

491
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: Was what would he'd be like uh here, just you

492
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: like old World War two guns. Maybe the guy did,

493
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: maybe that was it.

494
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: Well supposedly, whether he did or not, the man's son

495
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: got in touch with Mel and was like, I don't

496
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: know where my father is. He disappeared, and he took

497
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: that weird gun with him, and before they disappeared, he

498
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: had become obsessed with the thing.

499
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they never heard from him again as.

500
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: Far as I know. And also the man's son was

501
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: never named, nor was the man the landlord.

502
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: The story right, all right, So Mel goes back to

503
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: the States to visit some family. He did not show

504
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: for a appearance on Coast to Coast in late nineteen

505
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 3: ninety nine, and he was like, yeah, you know why,

506
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: Buddy Art, He said, because I was questioned after an

507
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: altercation on a bus and I was transported back to Olympia, Washington,

508
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: or I was told I was going to be transported

509
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: back to Olympia, Washington, but instead I woke up almost

510
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: two weeks later, twelve days later. I just awoke with

511
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: no memory of anything that happened in a rough part

512
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 3: of San Francisco.

513
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: And no, I just call that San Francisco.

514
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 3: No wallet, no ID. I had adhesive on my arm

515
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: like residue from like where I clearly probably had an

516
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: iv U and brother, my back teeth are gone.

517
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: That would be so distressing to be like, I'm missing

518
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: teeth and I have no recollection of them being taken out.

519
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: It's distressing when you know it's coming and it happens.

520
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, I can voucher for that. Oh yeah, well,

521
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean did you get knocked out? I guess when

522
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: you had yours room.

523
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: Oh sure, that's the best part.

524
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, but I can imagine knowing it's coming

525
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: would be more distressing that Usually, as they say, anticipation

526
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: is the worst part of just about any experience, right.

527
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's what I heard.

528
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So what Regardless, male's now missing a couple of teeth.

529
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: He's also down, in addition to missing his ID and wallet,

530
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: his belt buckle, which sounds kind of what's the word

531
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, innocuous, Yes, Chuck, that's exactly the word

532
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: I was looking for. Sounds innocuous as far as details go.

533
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: But this belt buckle was a special belt buckle that

534
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: he had made himself. He's also craftsman in addition to

535
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: a grower and maker of medicinal herbal tinctures, and this

536
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: belt buckle contained a dime, a very special dime, a

537
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: nineteen forty three dime with Franklin Delano Roosevelt's bust on

538
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: the side, just like the dimes we had today. The

539
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: problem is that dime should have existed.

540
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Roosevelt dimes that didn't start till nineteen forty six,

541
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: after FDR died. He was still alive in nineteen forty three,

542
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: so those don't exist. They even did some searching on

543
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: the internet. The only thing I could find was apparently

544
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: they're nineteen forty nine dimes that people have sort of

545
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: etched the nine to look like a three. Because I

546
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: saw a picture of one. I was like, that looks

547
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 3: like a nineteen forty three Roosevelt to me, But other

548
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: people said, like, no, that's been made. It was a

549
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: nine made to look like a three. But at any rate,

550
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: those dimes don't exist. I mean, I guess it's possible

551
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: that it could have been some kind of a counterfeit thing.

552
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: But he said that a couple more things about this

553
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: dime that it could not be photographed, so it clearly

554
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: wasn't the dime I saw on the internet. And also

555
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: if you walk fifteen feet away, it goes invisible, and

556
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: it's not just my eyesight because I know what you're thinking.

557
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he also took one of those dimes to

558
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: a coin dealer, and I guess while I was in

559
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: the coin dealer's possession, the Treasury Department showed up and confiscated.

560
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: It just like that they were there.

561
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was using these dimes like pretty innocently.

562
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: I saw the belt buckles were World War Two themes,

563
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: so one was a like he had three coins. One

564
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: had a bust of Churchill, one had a bust of FDR,

565
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: and I think the other one was a bust of

566
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: Stalin and he's like, oh, this FDR dime will work perfectly.

567
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: Like apparently he hadn't realized that they were special dimes.

568
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: He just dug them up on his property, which I

569
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: think should have raised the red flag right away that

570
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: they were special dimes if they were something he dug

571
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: up on his property.

572
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he found him in a red envelope

573
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: on his property, these impossible coins. So I say we

574
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: take another break, because when we come back, we are

575
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: definitely going to get to the craziest part of this

576
00:29:48,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: whole story.

577
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: Stuck Stucks.

578
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that you know what stuck stuck that.

579
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: It's a great name, that's the name of it.

580
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: It's a great name. All right, Stucks met with with

581
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: an X.

582
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: All Right, So we're back. Uh, and this is when

583
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: we start to talk about a second hole. Yeah. Because uh.

584
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: And on a subsequent call into AM Coast to Coast,

585
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: Mel said, because I've been on your radio show and

586
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: people are like familiar with with me in this whole

587
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: this hole, now, this whole hole, he said, I've now

588
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: been made aware of a second hole thanks to the

589
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: native people there in Nevada. They got in touch with

590
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: members of the Basque community there, and apparently there is

591
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: still a robust Basque community because she heard hers from

592
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: the peer moved there in the late nineteenth century and

593
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: they're still there today, so which is great. But this

594
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: bass hole, as it's called, was very similar to Mel's hole.

595
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: It was nine feet diameter. This one had an actual

596
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: metal collar around it, starting a couple of feet off

597
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: the ground and had a metal lining the hole as

598
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: far as you could see down into it. And local

599
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: Basque people was like, yeah, that hole has been around

600
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: since the nineteenth century, and dogs won't go near it.

601
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: They're scared of it. And we've seen a black beam

602
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: come out of this thing.

603
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: He's like another black beam. That's nuts.

604
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's not the craziest part. We're getting there.

605
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: Just what Yeah, No, I know what you're talking about.

606
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: The I mean, come on, so I think it's what

607
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: I'm about to say. That that metal collar around around

608
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: the hole somehow was never hot to the touch, but

609
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: the local basks had figured out that if you put

610
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: your tent against it, it would heat your tent in

611
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: the winter. Okay, is that what the weirdest part was

612
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: that you were talking about?

613
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: Are you being coy? Okay? I can't tell if you

614
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: just are are blanking or if you're just messing around

615
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: with No.

616
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: I really couldn't think of it earlier, But I know

617
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: just what you mean.

618
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: The closer we get to it, I love this. We

619
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: never have this kind of true suspense on this show.

620
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I should be doing

621
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: like a finger drum roll for the next minute.

622
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: So it's keeping your sleeping bag warm, it's keeping your

623
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: tent warm. Melt. He did a few things. He dropped

624
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: a wrench in it or I guess he dropped it

625
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: on the metal. It didn't make any sound like the

626
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: last one. Then they got some ice because they were like,

627
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: this thing has weird heat properties, so let's drop some

628
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: ice done in there in a pot and see what happens,

629
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: because if it gets hotter or something, then we'll know

630
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: it has some weird or some I guess legitimate heat properties.

631
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: And the ice came back it was unmelted. And when

632
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: they put this potted ice over a fire to melt it,

633
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: that ice eventually caught on fire.

634
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, put out its own heat too.

635
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, via the fire.

636
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: Right. So one of the basque people who was involved

637
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: in all this is like, hey, this eternal hot ice

638
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: is probably a pretty good idea. I'm going to take

639
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: it home and put it in my wood stove.

640
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, good idea.

641
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great idea. The problem is, one of

642
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: the strange properties of this eternal heat ice was that

643
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: it dried everything around it so much so it sucked

644
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: all the moisture out of everything that this poor basque

645
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: man's cabin crumbled into basically dust because the eternal ice

646
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: just being in his wood stove had sucked all of

647
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: the moisture out of the wood so that it just

648
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: couldn't stand up as wood any longer.

649
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that stove collapsed along with the rest of the cabin.

650
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: So that's not the weirdest part.

651
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: Well, the stove actually kept it basically burned a hole

652
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: and now it's like five feet into the ground. That's

653
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: made it that far. Yeah, pretty nuts.

654
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: But that's not the craziest part. You ready, Yeah, dear listener.

655
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: So this part is also a little awful because it

656
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: involves killing an animal. We should mention that people at

657
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: some point suggested, like, why don't you throw a cat

658
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: down that hole, Mel's hole, Bengalie, see if you can

659
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: hear it crying and stand up. Guy art Bell was like, no,

660
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: we're not doing anything like that.

661
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

662
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: I know, that's why exactly. So they did have a

663
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: sheep though, at the bass hole, and they try to

664
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: bring the sheep around it. The sheep freaked out, so

665
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: they said, all right, you're getting in the crate and

666
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: we're doing this a hard way. They lowered the sheep

667
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: down fifteen hundred feet. They had stopped making any sounds.

668
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: They brought the sheep up and it was dead. So

669
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: they dissected it and it was cooked from the inside

670
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: out evidently, so they had a nice button dinner and

671
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: gained immortality.

672
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

673
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: No, I'm going to let you take this, buddy. Oh

674
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: really the craziest part here we go.

675
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: So while they're dissecting it, they quickly found out that

676
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: the sheep was missing its internal organs. They just weren't

677
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: there anymore. But in the internal organs place was a

678
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: giant tumor. They're like, well, we've already come this far

679
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: with dissecting, we might as well dissect the tumor. And

680
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: when they cut the tumor open, they found that there

681
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: was what looked to be what you could describe closest

682
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: would be a fetal seal, but the fetal seal had

683
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: human eyes. And even crazier than that, the fetal seal

684
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: like opened its eyes and started looking around at all

685
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: of the Basque people and mel who were there standing

686
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: over it agog and amazement.

687
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this thing was eighteen inches long. It was

688
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: connected by an umbilical cord. And we should also say

689
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: that stuff you find on the internet now, some of

690
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: that stuff maybe has been added since nineteen ninety seven,

691
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of you know, bunk out there.

692
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: But I saw it was connected by an umbilical cord,

693
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 3: detached itself, and like you said, just kind of walking

694
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: around hanging out with people. Apparently they thought this thing

695
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: was like, I want to go back into the hole.

696
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 3: So they put it on the metal collar. It looked

697
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: at them, gave him a nod and took the dive. Yeah,

698
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: the fetle seal with humanlike eyes.

699
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so later on Mel's here witnessing all this stuff,

700
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: and he's in contact obviously with his basque friends from

701
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: that point on, and he said that later on they

702
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: told him like the fetal seal had come back up

703
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: several times and they'd learned that if a boom box

704
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: was near, they could communicate with the fetal seal. When

705
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: somebody grabbed an old two Live Crew cassette and tried

706
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: to record over it, nothing was recorded.

707
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: Okay, they better had some basking taper over those square holes.

708
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: You know, I forgot about that part. Yeah, absolutely, But

709
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: what about Mel's cancer?

710
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: It went away, buddy, thanks to the BASQ hole. I guess.

711
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: He had apparently pretty aggressive terminal esphageal cancer and it

712
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: was just gone. And so they started started calling this

713
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: thing the tumor seal because of that.

714
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a horrible name for any organism, but yeah,

715
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: there you go. So that's if you if you come

716
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: across something called the tomor seal on the Internet, that's

717
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: what they're talking about, this strange seal like creature with

718
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: human eyes that healed Mel's esophageal cancer.

719
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: That's right. So since the beginning of the Internet, and

720
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: this was I mean seemingly coincidentally kind of around the

721
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: birth of the Internet, the story grew and grew and grew.

722
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: Of course, just like a little fetal seal will one

723
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: day become a sea lion.

724
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: Oh is that right? Seals and sea lions aren't aren't different,

725
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: are small.

726
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: But this is a magical story. So that's oh god,

727
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: that's what happens in this case. Okay, especially as human

728
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: like eyes. So mel Waters apparently doesn't exist. They have

729
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: looked there, apparently, or they're no records of the mel

730
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: Waters in the county of which he supposedly resided. There

731
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: was no wife that worked at Central Washington University. Go Wildcats,

732
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: by the way, Go Wildcats. It was obviously somebody from

733
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: around there, because they had a lot of knowledge of

734
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: the area. So whoever was pulling off this hoax was

735
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: clearly a local. But there was no Mel Waters as

736
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 3: far as anyone can tell.

737
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: No. But one of the interesting things is that in

738
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: the real world, in the Ellensburg area, apparently there is

739
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: a local rumor superstition about a bottomless hole somewhere in

740
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: the area.

741
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's was the leaping point

742
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: for this story had to be.

743
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: But Mel really took it and Ranwick and so I

744
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: mean this caught coast to coast am listener's attention and

745
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: enough that they went out and actually looked for the hole.

746
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: There was an expedition that was mounted in two thousand

747
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: and two thirty people makes it an official expedition. Yeah,

748
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: it was led or it included a guy named Gerald Osbourne.

749
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: Gerald Osbourne went by red Elk. He didn't he very

750
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: wisely didn't claim ancestry or heritage to any particular indigenous

751
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: tribe in the area. Instead, he said he was an

752
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: intertribal shaman, which means he was white. Yeah, and he's

753
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: not to be confused. He's not to be confused with

754
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: Gerald red Elk, who's a legitimate Navajo who was a

755
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 2: Navajo code talker in World War Two from.

756
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: Thanks for stealing that name exactly.

757
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: So he was the reason he was on this expedition

758
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: is he said, I've been to this whole numerous times.

759
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: My father took me there for the first time, all

760
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: the way back in nineteen sixty one. I'm a huge

761
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: asset to your group. As a matter of fact, why

762
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: don't you guys just carry me around? I'm that much

763
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: of an asset to this expedition. Did he really say that, No,

764
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: but I could kind of see it.

765
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: Nothing in this story would surprise me, So you can

766
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: literally doup me with anything at this point.

767
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, Rip Gerald Osborne aka Red Elk,

768
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: he did pass and I think twenty seventeen maybe.

769
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right. P He claimed that a huge

770
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: base craft would appear and hover over that hole, and

771
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: that the government had a very small underground base there

772
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: obviously underground. There's legit geologist named Jack Powell from Washington

773
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: State Department of Natural Resources who seems like the Loan

774
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: or maybe one of the Loan skeptics aside for me,

775
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 3: apparently saying like, hey, this hole is not possible. Josh

776
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: Clark is even going to say this one day on

777
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: a very popular podcast, This wole would collapse on itself

778
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: because of all the pressure and heat from the area

779
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: around it. It's just you just can't have a hole

780
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: that deep. It's impossible. Yeah.

781
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: They were like, stop saying impossible. He's like, fine, but

782
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: you get my point, right, he.

783
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: Said, And that fishing line wouldn't have made it, or

784
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 3: your life savers or anything else wouldn't have survived that depth.

785
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: No, And he did concede, like, this is this area

786
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: was carved out by volcanic activity eons ago, so it

787
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: is possible that there are like a lot of really

788
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: really deep holes that may even be, for all intents

789
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: and purposes, as far as human scale is concerned, bottomless. Yeah,

790
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: but what this guy's describing could not possibly exists. And

791
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: this area is also just riddled with gold mine shafts.

792
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: In fact, I think I might know the particular gold

793
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: mine shaft outside of Ellensburg that inspired this guy this

794
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: mel waters.

795
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, not you. You're playing the role of Jack Powell.

796
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was me doing my Jack Powell impression. He

797
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: and I sound just like just like me and Mark Ruffalo.

798
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: Right.

799
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: Oh, people said that, Yeah, I get that. A lot.

800
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I've ever thought about that. I think it's said

801
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: you talk like someone the other day Mike Berbiglia.

802
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I get that a little. They might

803
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: be the first person to say that I've heard that. Yeah,

804
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: and then I think, yeah, I think that's it for

805
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: voice lookalikes or sound.

806
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 3: Alikes, same Muppet, each inner.

807
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: I love that. I will never ever forget that. I

808
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: hold that do it in my heart.

809
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: You should, all right, so Powell said, as Josh play acted,

810
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: Let's go to this gold mine shaft that I know about, Like,

811
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: I bet this is it. It's near the Manustache Ridge.

812
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: I think it said Manitash earlier. It's Manustache.

813
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: I think it's Monastash.

814
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I mean it depends on which side do

815
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: you live on.

816
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nevada, Nevada, Yeah, exactly, Tomato, Tamata.

817
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: But he took them there, the group of whole you know,

818
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: Mel'shole enthusiasts, and they were like, nah, there, you duped this. This.

819
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: There's no way this is Mel's Hole. It's too normal. Basically,

820
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: it's not doing anything weird.

821
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 2: You lying geologists.

822
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's funny.

823
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: So these people, they were undeterred, they were like we are,

824
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: so we're gonna balk so hard at your suggestion that

825
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: this pitting thing is Mel's Hole that just despite you,

826
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: we're going to go on and form the Seattle Paranormal Society.

827
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: So there.

828
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're all here together, right, we should call

829
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: ourselves something.

830
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

831
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: So they did. Yeah, and here's another just little addendum

832
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, apparently like local library historians said, you know,

833
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: the files on Mel's Hole are not in my library anymore.

834
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: They disappeared and there's no way some crackpot stole.

835
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: Them, right, They're definitely not under a placement at my

836
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: house where I forgot them.

837
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

838
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: So there were again like there are people out in

839
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 2: the real world who are trying to track down Mel's

840
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: Hole for one reason or another. And Mel, yes, exactly.

841
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: And one of the places that became like a clearinghouse

842
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: online for continued information about Mel's Hole was the Northwest

843
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: Museum of Legends and Lore. They actually claimed to still

844
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: be getting email updates from Mel and Mel's nephew, so

845
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: you know that they were like that was an arcane

846
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: reference right there, Mel's nephew. I think it legitimized everything.

847
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: And they actually may have been receiving information from somebody

848
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: claiming to be Mel's nephew. Eventually, though, even they the

849
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: Northwest Museum of Legends and lower were like nuts to this,

850
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: and based on the date of their last posts, they

851
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: seem to have given up the ghost in two thousand

852
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: and three.

853
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it may have had something to do with they said, Hey,

854
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: Mel's nephew, he's coming to our hang. He's coming to

855
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: the Northwest UFO conference on Memorial Day. And then they said, oh, well,

856
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: it turns out he didn't make it. He got in

857
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 3: a car.

858
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Wreck, but he'll keep us posted about whether he's going

859
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: to make it to the conference after exactly. So, you

860
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: said that there's so much croud on the Internet now

861
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: about this that it's just kind of to me. It

862
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: took like a really interesting, cool, self contained thing that

863
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: didn't need to be expounded upon it. Yeah, just twenty

864
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: twenties Internet eyed it, which means it just got dumb.

865
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: And so there's tons of Like I read one article

866
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: where somebody was like, this may be a Lazarus pit,

867
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: and I looked up Lazaru's Pit and it only exists

868
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: in the DC Comic universe. Yeah, so that probably is

869
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: not a very credible website. And then also there's this

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Speaker 2: YouTube video from just this March, and this is what's

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Speaker 2: amazing about the Internet. Somebody made a YouTube video that

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Speaker 2: claimed that Elon Musk, because he's like the head of

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Speaker 2: technology in the world, apparently sent a special drone, a

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Speaker 2: special high tech drone made for tough places. They said,

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Speaker 2: down into Mel's hole and we'll get to to what

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Speaker 2: he came up within a second. But if you go

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Speaker 2: and search that, there are offshoot videos videos about that

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Speaker 2: that are treating it like news. So there's tons of

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Speaker 2: YouTube videos talking about this drone footage that Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: found and essentially he found what was at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of it, and he did not like what he found.

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Speaker 2: According to this YouTube video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, legend has it it was a cave painting

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Speaker 3: of a cybertruck.

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Speaker 2: I think he would have been gratified with that, or

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Speaker 2: he would have been like, wow, those things really are ugly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So no, they quoted him in this video there's something

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Speaker 2: down there, something we don't get, we aren't ready for

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Speaker 2: what's at the bottom.

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Speaker 3: And that tracks so, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it still just keeps going on and on. Some

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Speaker 2: people of a twenty seventeen video went to a location

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Speaker 2: that someone on read it said was Mel's Hole. They're like,

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Speaker 2: it's not really Mel's hole. So there are people still

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Speaker 2: looking for Mel's Hole out there. But to me, you

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Speaker 2: don't really need to go much beyond the actual original story.

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Speaker 2: It's it's perfect as is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fun radio theater. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and that's our assessment that it is theater. Chuck,

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Speaker 2: I think that's where we both land, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's where I am. I hope you're there.

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Speaker 3: If not, we got to end the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm solidly right there with you. Okay, good, Well, since

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Speaker 2: we're standing right next to another shoulders shoulder, cheek to

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Speaker 2: jowl and all that stuff, I think that means it's

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Speaker 2: time for a listener. Mayw.

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Speaker 3: I thought so relieved. I thought you're about to say

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Speaker 3: we have to jump into that hole together.

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Speaker 2: No, never, never, We like our lives.

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Speaker 3: That's true. But maybe it would be like Joe versus

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Speaker 3: Volcano and it would just spit us right back out

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Speaker 3: like Tom and Meg.

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Speaker 2: That was such a good movie.

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Speaker 3: Loved it all right. Here is a follow up to

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Speaker 3: Project one hundred thousand. Hey, guys, just listened to the

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Speaker 3: episode was impressed with your coverage like always and the

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Speaker 3: topic of the lack of men for Vietnam. For the

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Speaker 3: Vietnam War, my mind is flooded with thoughts of the

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Speaker 3: secret war. My people, the Mong people, were recruited as

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Speaker 3: gorilla troops to assist the US and the Jungles of Laos,

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Speaker 3: Thailand and Vietnam. Many of the troops were children, including

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Speaker 3: my great uncle Lord. Very few spoke English and agreed

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Speaker 3: to participate on the premise that they would be brought

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Speaker 3: to live the American dream after the war was over,

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Speaker 3: but very few made it over. Most were stranded and

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Speaker 3: then hunted as traders to their countries. In fact, my

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Speaker 3: mom was born in a concentration camp in Laus and

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Speaker 3: she's only forty two years old right now.

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Speaker 2: Coo On.

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Speaker 3: Most of us live in Minnesota, California, and Wisconsin now,

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Speaker 3: but many of us still have family living back home,

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Speaker 3: where the conflict is seemingly fizzled out. I've always wondered

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Speaker 3: what happened overseas to the ones who didn't make it

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Speaker 3: out of the camps, and how or if my people

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Speaker 3: have restored their villages, but the topic is still raw.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be a great topic to look into

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Speaker 3: for an episode, a short stuff or just for your

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Speaker 3: brain bank. And that is warmly from Melody, who apparently

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Speaker 3: listens to us from the long drives between Chicago and Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Thanks a lot, Melody. I definitely not heard about that,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's a great corollary to Project one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand huh toats. Yeah. I think that might even

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Speaker 2: deserve its own episode too. We'll have to dig into

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Speaker 2: it if you want to be like Melody and blow

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Speaker 2: our minds and depress us simultaneously. We love that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing in a weird way. You can send it

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Speaker 2: via email to stuff Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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