1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang on today's show. Did not see that coming, 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: not after a loss the week before the Lions Sunday 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: was a perfect example of what happens when a team 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: does not come ready to play two areas, in particular 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: the offense as a whole, and in the pass rush 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: the lack there of. Really, we do have some good 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: news and we all could use some on this Monday. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode three twenty five, and it 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday, 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. 12 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Visit Easy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: the right, throws near sight of Fritz Bart He he's 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: into the outside a touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Jareckie go ahead to go back to something Chase Edmonds 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: said early last week, and it's something MJ We've heard before. 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: Good teams don't lose back to back games. The Arizona 18 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals right now are not a good team. Might change 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: next week, next month, a couple of months for right now. 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: But as we sit here on this Monday, October fifth, 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: after what we have seen over the past two weeks, 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals are not a good football team at the moment. Yeah, 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: And the good news is there's still twelve games remaining, 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: so twenty five percent of the seasons in the books. 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: You know, they're two and two. And the thing is, 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: when you get off to a two and l start, 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: you create a lot of excitement and high expectations. And 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: now you're a five hundred football team, and you know, 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Bill Parcel has always said you are what your record indicates. Now, 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they're going to finish with two wins. 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: But to me, Craig I was just appointed yesterday. All 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: across the board, it looked like the Panthers on some 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: of those drives, which we'll get into. It was too easy. 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: It was too easy, just marching down the field. And 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: you know we'll start right now. You know, Kyla Murray 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: the first possession, nine yards, Drake gets a first down, 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: they're sitting there. He misses a wide open Larry Fitzgerald 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: next possession, so eventually you know they have to punt 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: next possession, he forces the ball to Christian Kirk. Three 40 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: guys were open, Kenyan Drake's open, Arnold's opened, fits is open. 41 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: I watched the shortcut version this morning. You could see 42 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: it clear as day. I mean, you hate to say it, 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: but he's taken a step back from his his passing 44 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: game and that was one of the strengths and he's 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: going to definitely have to improve. And you know, it's 46 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: just you would think. And we talked about this on 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: the post scheme show and give everyone a shout out 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: for Colin in last night. Obviously, you know people are disappointed, 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: but I think some fans are realistic. But this is 50 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: the same head coach, in the same quarterback, in the 51 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: same system, and Kylo talks about the defense is slowing 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: down for him, that he's still going to see stuff 53 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: that maybe he hasn't seen before. He's lock on receivers 54 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and it's not out on Kyler Murray. They can't run 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: the football like they did. They miss Max Williams. Hopefully 56 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: it comes back after the bye week, but you can't wait. 57 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: They obviously need to get more people involved in the offense. 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: So it's just kind of perplexing to me that we're 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: having the same this conversation from we're having last year 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: in Week four. We know when the offense changed, and 61 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I thought it would take a month to get things going, 62 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: but I thought we'd see improvement. That was a you know, 63 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: maybe as Larry used a wake up call last week 64 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: losing it home to the Washington football teams. Me, a 65 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: wake up call is okay when the next time we 66 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: get on the field and you know, you get a 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: first down, you know, you know, get a little momentum, 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: and just seeing like they were flattened, and to me, 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: that's inexcusable. You and I were talking earlier football games 70 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: three hours on Sunday. Yep, you should be ready to play. 71 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: And I think he used a perfect word, disappointment. Now. 72 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: I got upset a week ago today after that loss 73 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: to the Lions, because you can't afford to give away games. Yeah, 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm upset, but I'm more like you disappointed, let down, 75 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: dejected because on paper, and I keep stressing that on paper, 76 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals are a great team. They're just not 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: showing it for whatever reason. There are countless reasons, but 78 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the division is winning. Outside of the 79 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, last night on Sunday Night football. You 80 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: get too far behind, then all of a sudden, you 81 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: lose the opportunity to catch up. Because, as we've discussed 82 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Covered two, the schedule only gets more difficult. 83 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: That's why these first four games were so important. You 84 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: want to attack on the fifth next week at the Jets, 85 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: and then Monday night against the Dallas Cowboys. It's only 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: get more difficult. That's why these losses stick out like 87 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: a sore thumb, if you will. And that is where 88 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: the anger, the disappointment, not only from us but the fans. 89 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: That is why two and two on the surface sounds good, 90 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: but we know it can be so much better. Yeah, 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: and they've only played one division game and the Rams, 92 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, they beat the Giants. It wasn't pretty, 93 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: but they won, just like the Cardinals. It wasn't pretty 94 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: against the Washington football team. They won. Now, let's bottom 95 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: line this then, you know, just the inconsistency, and you 96 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: know I put a lot on the defense yesterday. You know, 97 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Murray was actually good in the zone with his touchdowns. 98 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: Obviously in the intermediate routes ten to nineteen, he wasn't 99 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: very effective about fifty five percent. But their five star 100 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: players are not playing like five star players. And we 101 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: could throw Patrick Peterson in there, we could throw Chandler 102 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: Jones in there. You know, I consider, you know, Kennyan 103 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Drake a Bell Cow five star player, and it's really 104 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: a downward spiral effect to where it's not just the players, 105 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: it's the positions. And so I mean, it's it's again, 106 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: it's I mean, we could talk about the safeties. Yesterday, 107 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: they're playing their fourth and fifth safety. I mean, they're 108 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: missing Banjo, they're missing Jaylen Thompson, and of course they're 109 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: missing their best player on defense through the first three 110 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: games in Buddha Baker. But you know, you gotta do 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: what you gotta do, and it wasn't ideal. Patrick looked 112 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: like he was sliding over safety. So it's just and 113 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: then you need other role players to step up. I mean, 114 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: who was their best play yesterday. It's a good question, 115 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I've got an answer for you, 116 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know if there was one. I think 117 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: I think I showed flashes. I think you know, when 118 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: you look at pass protection, I think a couple of 119 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: linemen graded out. Okay, I think at one blocking maybe 120 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: not as good. Um, you know some guys just only hey, 121 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: played a handful of snaps. I mean, I guess our 122 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: best player was Jordan Thomas. Well, he certainly was efficient. 123 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: One offensive snap, one catch for a touchdown. So yeah, 124 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm he'd be one guy that you could sit there 125 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: and say sure, but that was again, that was just 126 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: one okay, and Hopkins, I mean again, we're gonna get 127 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: into this. And Rob Frederickson, a former player, started talking 128 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: about going east and west versus north and south. I mean, 129 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: early on those bubble screens were working for hot. Now 130 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: teams are they're saying, we're going to cover the entire 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: play of fifty three and a half yards and it's 132 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Dinkin and Duncan, and I know that 133 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: they want to give her of the ball, and teams 134 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: are rushing four and dropping seven back into coverage. So 135 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: there's there's tight windows and guys got to get open. 136 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: But when I watched those through first two possession, players 137 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: were open, so they were getting off press coverage. There 138 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: were separation. Unfortunately, they're not in sync and there's no 139 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: rhythm to this offense. Now I'm not saying I'm concerned, 140 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: but I need to see progress. I keep hearing it's 141 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the seasons. Though we can't. We 142 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: can't keep using the preseason as an excuse. Okay, nobody 143 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: likes the preseason, but this year players Pro Bowl players 144 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: said I could have used the preseason for a warm up, 145 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: So we can't use it anymore. It's week five. There's 146 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: certainly a lot of head scratching moments on Sunday, a 147 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: lot of head scratching moments of the past two weeks. 148 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Let's get quick right hand turn here, because we do 149 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: have some good news and maybe that's maybe it's just 150 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: a little bit, but we did see two offensive daughters 151 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: leave yesterday's contest at the end of the ballgame, and 152 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: head coach Cliff Kingsbury updated the status of both Kenyan 153 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Drake and Justin Pugh earlier today, and it's good news 154 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: for both according to Kingsbury, because Drake should be okay 155 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: after reports say he got the wind knocked out of him, 156 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: so that's obviously good. You don't want to lose your 157 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: number one running back. And then pu according to Kingsbury, 158 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: got rolled up on on his right leg and is 159 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: feeling much better. Today. Now, we did see Max Garcia 160 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: come in for that third quarter scoring drive, spelling Pew 161 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: earlier in the game and then finished the game for Pew. 162 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: So Cardinals do have options whether it's Max Garcia or 163 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Justin Murray. But two things to keep an eye on 164 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: this week as far as practice is concerned, Kenyan Drake 165 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: and then obviously Justin Pugh. Now, Max Williams was asked 166 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: and it sounds like the bye week, so that's another 167 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: three games at least. And then on the defensive side 168 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: of MJ you brought up the safety position Buddha Baker, 169 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson and Chris Banjo. What are their status? All 170 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: Kingsbury would say is hopefully sooner rather than later. Thompson 171 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: is eligible to come off the injured reserve list this 172 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: week and be on the field Sunday at the Jets. 173 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: Let to wait and see if that happens. And you 174 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: pointed it out without those three, Now all of a sudden, 175 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: you're asking Deontay Thompson, who hasn't gotten a lot of snaps, 176 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Curtis Riley, who hasn't been here very long, and Charles Washington, 177 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: who before yesterday it only played two defensive snaps, and 178 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: that was Week one and he's only played defense. I 179 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: think I saw it since twenty seventeen and a year 180 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: ago with the Cardinals. He was just strictly a special 181 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: teams player. So you're asking a lot for those guys 182 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: come in to spell a Baker Thompson and a Banjo. Well, 183 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: depending on the available to be for all three. We 184 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: know Buddha win another knife. Now it's pain tolerance and 185 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: what kind of club can they put on there and 186 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: how well can he tackle? Jalen He's scheduled for ir 187 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: return within three weeks, so he's getting closer. And then Banjo, 188 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: it's a hamstring, so you wonner if that's going to linger. 189 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: But I gotta think bringing in t J. Ward. He's 190 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: a veteran guy. Nothing against Riley, but you know he 191 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: could put him on the practice squad if you could 192 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: think he's got some upside. I got, you know, just 193 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: just me connecting the dots. Now it's all going to 194 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: be based on but even if all three return, I 195 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: still would like to have some veteran depth there. Obviously 196 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: hasn't played football in a couple of years. There's a 197 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: thing called football shape, you know, is, but the fact 198 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: that if he's dressing, then you got some veteran experience 199 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: in there, versus a guy that you know, he's been 200 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: in the league a couple of years, but he doesn't 201 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: have a lot of playing time. And then obviously I 202 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: thought Dean Tay Thompson. You know, earlier in that game, 203 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: he came down in a box, made some tackles, but 204 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: they took some bad angles. But yeah, I mean, it's 205 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: like we talked about just one position so far that's 206 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: been hit by the injury bug, and it's unfortunate because 207 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: it's hard to win week in and week out and 208 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: you lose one of your better players. I mean, this 209 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: guy sets the tone. We talk about breaking the huddle, 210 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: where's he at, where's Buddha Baker at? So but every 211 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: team deals with him. I'm glad he's not out for 212 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the year. The other absence on Sunday, 213 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: which I think got lost in the shuffle, Devon Kennard. 214 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: He was out with a calf entry. Kingsbury said again 215 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be back soon, but no concrete timetable, and 216 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: that certainly hurts your depth at outside linebacker. I want 217 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: to touch more on the defense a little bit later on, 218 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: but let's bring it back on track here on Cardinals 219 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arrows 220 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals, and talk about the offense because for 221 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: me MJ, this is where it all begins, and to 222 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: a certain extent ends. You hired an offensive minded head, 223 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: you drafted a quarterback with the number one overall pick, 224 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: You added arguably the best wide receiver in the game, 225 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins. Yet here we are, as you said, 226 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: four games into the season and in Kingsbury's words, were 227 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: still a work in progress. Okay, Well, a third of 228 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: the league, almost a third of the league, is averaging 229 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: better than thirty points a contest ten teams Cardinals Riot 230 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: now at twenty four and a half. That ranks twenty fourth. 231 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: To me, that's not acceptable. That's not what we were 232 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: sold when this all began a year ago. You're twenty 233 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: games into this. The offense should be better for me, 234 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: in my opinion, No, I'm totally with you. I'm perplexed 235 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: because again Murray said things are slowing down. We know 236 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: how comfortable they looked in training camp with the hurry 237 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: up and high tempo offense. When we was available, when 238 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: the media sessions were open to me, it was almost 239 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: like they were clicking. And then, really, they've only added 240 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins to the offense. I mean, you know all 241 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: these guys you were talking about on the line besides 242 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: the beach and they're here last year. The running backs, 243 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: they're here last year. On the tight ends. You know, 244 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: they've got a couple of new ones, but Daniels and Arnold, 245 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: so they only by adding Hopkins, you would think they 246 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: would be better when it comes to scoring points, and 247 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: the fact is they are not even averaging thirty now, Craig, 248 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: these NFL numbers, clearly the offense is ahead of the defense. 249 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean every week they have a new number of 250 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: touchdowns and points scored, and some of it could be 251 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, defensive touchdowns or special teams touchdown, but the 252 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: NFL is setting records every week, and you would hope 253 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals would be a part of that. And 254 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: they've only hit thirty points once this season. That was 255 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: Week two against Washington. So you're left to wonder why, 256 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: And we've got all these quiet we're not getting any answers. 257 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: And now that is where the frustration begins because instead 258 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: of a step forward. You see, at least we did 259 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday, Kyle the Murray take a step back that 260 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: overthrow the Larry fitz jail. Now, maybe ninety nine times 261 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: out of one hundred he connects, but when it matters 262 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: the most, on that opening drive, not only was it high, 263 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: but if you look at how that ball came out 264 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: of his hand, it was not a tight spiral. And 265 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: Murray is almost always throws a tight spiral, and this 266 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: one had a little bit of a flutter to it, 267 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's why it sailed high, 268 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: But even with Fitz jumping, he was still two feet 269 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: shy of putting even a fingertip on that football. Yeah, 270 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: and if he catches that ball, I gotta think he's 271 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: going for fifteen or twenty. Looked like he was wide open. 272 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: Not saying he would have scored. All of a sudden, 273 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: the sidelines gets a little energy. Listen, you got to 274 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: create your own energy. Players is going to create their 275 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: own energy. And that's something Christian Kurt talked about last night, 276 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, after the game. So yeah, it's it's just 277 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: it's frustrating because he says, and I believe he wants 278 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: to be a pocket passer. Now there's a stat out there, 279 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: the first time I've heard it. The Cardinals are one 280 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: ten and one when he has fewer than eight rushes. 281 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: Talking about Kyler Murray, he had six on Sunday. Now 282 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: when he goes over eight plus, they're six and two. 283 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: So again that's a dual threat. But they need to 284 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: get this passing game going. Can't with these screen passes 285 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: and these bubble screens. I mean, you're going you're not 286 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: even throwing the ball, you know, ten yards down the field. 287 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: And then when they get in behind the six at 288 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: some point, if it's third and thirteen, there's really not 289 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: a play in the playbook. He just throw a screen 290 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: play for the field position. Hopefully your defense can get 291 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: him off the field and throw it out. So and 292 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: I am a little surprise with the addition of Hopkins, 293 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: you would think coverage would change. And listen, Larry's never 294 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: been a guy that gets all I mean separation. But 295 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: he was open there and he's so savvy when it 296 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: comes to his route running. And I don't know if 297 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: teams are bracketing him anymore. Usually you would have somebody 298 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: underneath and because you got Hopkins. Now, I mean, Larry's 299 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: not gonna run you, but he's gonna outsmart you. He's 300 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna outcraft you, he's gonna outsavvy you. And again they 301 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: talk about getting the ball to him early, and it 302 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So and you know, watching Larry's career, and 303 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: you probably agree with this, Larry feeds office catches and energy. 304 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: Fans can go nuts. We see him get energized and 305 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: pumps the sidelines up. I don't care if there's fan, 306 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: it doesn't in practice. He feeds off those catches and 307 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: that's contagious. And his teammates, like you said, they feed 308 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: off of that. And that was something Kingsbury acknowledged earlier today. 309 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: He's a guy that gives us energy end quote. And 310 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: I don't worry about number of targets, number of touches, 311 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: but certain parts of a game, certain situations, third and long, 312 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: fourth down, look for number eleven because you know he's 313 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: going to catch the football. And then early in contests, 314 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: especially now with no fans in the stands. And I 315 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: realized they had but almost five thousand at Bank of 316 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: America Stadium, but that's not a lot. You get him 317 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: the football and then all of a sudden, that sets 318 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: everything up. Now, if you'd connected on that first pass play, okay, 319 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: but you didn't. And that's why we're talking about right now, 320 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: figure out away and not make it as hard as 321 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: it is, because that's what it looks like right now 322 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: that it's that almost that the game offensively is too 323 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: hard for Ko for a fact that that is not 324 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: the case. But that's what we're seeing right now. He 325 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: looks uncomfortable. Now, if Larry catches that ball, Like I said, 326 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have the twenty two film, but 327 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: they show you highlights. I could see he had real estate. 328 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: So the sidelines, let's go, you know, first dry, second 329 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: drive he forces at the Kirk. Three guys were open 330 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: and everything was underneath like in front of him. And 331 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: we talked about last night feeling the rush versus looking 332 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: at the run. You look at the rush, you're gonna 333 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: see ghosts because when you put your head down, pick 334 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: it back up, that guy you saw is gone. He's 335 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: not in the same spot. That's what's fuss mean. Because 336 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: now that Larry catch gets the sidelines going, If he's 337 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: able to make the Kirk catch that gets it going, 338 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: that that's momentum from a standpoint, getting in sync, getting 339 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: in rhythm, and it just seems like they haven't found 340 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: that guy. But I'm not giving up on this offense. 341 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: I think they got too much talent, They got too 342 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: much pride. This team has a lot of pride, they 343 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: really do, and it can't be easy going in and 344 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: watching the film. And you know, I didn't get into 345 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna be fo far five and one or all this. 346 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: I just I know the NFL, and you know how 347 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: I feel. You got to avoid losing streaks. You want 348 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: a three game losing streak, it seems like you're never 349 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: going to get out of the hole. And the Cardinals 350 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: went on a four game losing streak last sure to 351 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: start seeing they went out a three game when he's streaking, 352 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: and they went back on a couple of game loser 353 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: strick and they were able to win into him to 354 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: get five wins. Though I'm just disappointed because I expected 355 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: more from the offense. I really did defense. I thought 356 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: it would take some time, and you know, the first 357 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: couple of games they made stops. The last couple of 358 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: games they have been as consistent as I think everyone's 359 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: looking for it now again, when you play your fourth 360 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: and fifth safety in the NFL, teams are going to 361 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: expose you. No, I'm in agreement with you. As far 362 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: as the offense, there was a sense of expectation that 363 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: things would be better than they were a year ago 364 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: because it's the second year in the system and the 365 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: improvement that you make in year two. But we're not 366 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: seeing that vertical passing game. Everything is going east and 367 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: west as opposed to north and south. And that's why 368 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers from Sunday and Murray 369 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: is averaging at four point two yards per attempt, not 370 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: per completion. Per attempt. He had twenty four completions for 371 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three yards. You're throwing just short passes, 372 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: and now here in week four the defense recognizes what 373 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: was working in week one. In week two and utilizing 374 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: the sideline as a twelfth man, you get so bobbled 375 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: up on that area that, yes, Hopkins is great after 376 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: the catch, but when there's three four guys in his face, 377 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's not a magician. He's gonna get tackled. 378 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: Maybe makes one guy miss, but then there's two, three 379 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: and four right there, So it's eleven men plus the sideline. 380 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: When you keep throwing these quick screens or the bubble passes, 381 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: or and you're running to the left or to the right, 382 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: how about go straight ahead. I was taught when I 383 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: was little MJ the quickest way between two points straight ahead, southward. Yes, well, 384 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: we know the NFL's a copycat league, and what Matt 385 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: Patricia put on film I think carried over now. Phil 386 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: Snow obviously is aware of the air raid offense and 387 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: to me, the only just four receivers. I would like 388 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: to see them get back to more eleven personnel. I 389 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: know that they want to spread you out. And when 390 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: you've got it in Isabella as your fourth guy in 391 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: a healthy Kirk and Larry, you've got to like your 392 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: chances against matchups. But eleven personnel, three wide, one tight. 393 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: I think that you've got to protect the edges. I 394 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: think it gives them a little bit more wiggle room. 395 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: And then twelve personnel. I think Daniels can block. I mean, 396 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Thomas is a big guy. I know we're gonna have 397 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: to wait for Max Williams to come back. Arnold service 398 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: of ball. I would have him chip and release. But 399 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: if you can't go back to what happened in the 400 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: first four games last year where you can't move the ball, 401 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: and what their teams are saying is we'll let you 402 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: dink and dunk. Great Now, if the Cardinals had those 403 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: play drives, yessee, we're not having this conversation. Chew up 404 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: seven minutes thirteen play drive and we always talk about 405 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: it's tough to go on ten, twelve, thirteen play drives. 406 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: You need two or three first downs, you need an 407 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: intermediate route, you can have a penalty. Teams are saying, hey, 408 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep everything in front of us. And it's interesting. 409 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: The first four games are all against four or three defenses. 410 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: They're rushing four, keeping a spy and then dropping seven 411 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: into coverage. You've got to throw into tight windows. And again, 412 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: if they weren't getting separation, I understand check it down 413 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: to the guys open. But I just want to see 414 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: this offense open up more. And you know, Kyle Odergar 415 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: a great colleague. Guess Cliff today, you know, because of 416 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: last week with those three interceptions, were you hesitant or 417 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: was Kyler hesitant not to spin it down the field? 418 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: He said no. And another thing, I when I'm watching 419 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: the game and I'm thinking they're doing the same thing 420 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: that the Lions did. They're keeping us on the sidelines 421 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: at Cardinals offense, Kenny Bridgewater said no. He said our 422 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: goal was to be aggressive the entire day, so they 423 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: were not trying to keep the Cardinals on the sidelines. 424 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: That just happened to be the case. Time of possession, 425 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: total plays advantage Panthers, and that's why they picked up 426 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: the thirty one twenty one win on Sunday, Bird Gang 427 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: make sure you update to the latest version of the 428 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals mobile app today. The update features and all new 429 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: redesign home screen experience. Visit asy cardinals dot com slash 430 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: app for more. Something you said MJ earlier here about 431 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: the Panthers and their lengthy drives, and they had five 432 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: scoring drives, all better than sixty six yards. And as 433 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: far as number of plays, the shortest was eight plays, 434 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: but they had a ten play drive, they had a 435 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: thirteen play drive, they had a fifteen play drive. And 436 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: if you're the defense and yes, I know there's a 437 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: lot of heat and a lot of criticism on vance 438 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: Joseph the defensive coordinator, but for me, that's low hanging fruit. Yes, 439 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: you got to be able to get the opposing team 440 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: off the field on third down. The Cardinals were unable 441 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 1: to do that seven of eleven the Panthers were on 442 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: third down. Maybe, and this is just my feeling. They 443 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: had a bad day. A week ago we were saying, Kyle, 444 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: the Murray had a bad day. Well, now you can 445 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: argue that Murray's had two bad days and now there's 446 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: some concern. All right, now, let's see what happens next 447 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: week with the defense. But this defense, and I've said it, 448 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: You've said it. Darren urban I thought wrote it perfectly 449 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: on asy cardinals dot Com yesterday. In his aftermath, he wrote, 450 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: this was always a team that was going to be 451 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: led by its offense, and that's why the way things 452 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: unfolded Sunday was disappointing. People MJ are focusing too much, 453 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: i think on the defense because this is an offensive league. 454 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: It's all about your quarterback play putting points on the board, 455 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: and if the Cardinals have to outscore teams, then they 456 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: have to outscore teams, and right now they're not. But 457 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: with that said, this defense does need to shore some 458 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: things up, including better tackling, and do what they did 459 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: the first three weeks be better on third down. Yeah, 460 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: and that's the reason why they won those first couple 461 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: of games, because they were really good on red zone, 462 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: third down defense. They were good on third down and 463 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: then the red zone, you know, when it comes to them. Yesterday, 464 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: I think the Panthers were four for five in the 465 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: red zone, correct. Yeah, Cardinals have done a good job 466 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: with that and getting teams off the field on third down, 467 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: and then you know, obviously you know, not letting him 468 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, get to the red zone and kick field goals. Yeah, 469 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a a surprise just because 470 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: of how much they built up in those first three weeks, 471 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: saying hey, well you can go from the twenty to 472 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: twenty and when you get to the money down, we're 473 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: gonna get you off the field. And that wasn't the case. 474 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: And the poor tackling. You know, I always make a 475 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: reference to basketball, and you covered the NBA. Sure you 476 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: played pickup basketball, but I always think rebounding is like 477 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: a tackle. It's a want to because the balls there 478 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: go get it. While I was Dennis Rodman so successful, 479 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: he wanted it more than the other guy, or at 480 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: least he acted as if he wanted it more. And 481 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: I to say that the Cardinals did not want to 482 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,239 Speaker 1: bring down the ball carrier on Sunday, But MJ, it'd 483 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: certainly looked at it like that from our perspective watching 484 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: it on TV and watching it again earlier today when 485 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: we can kind of slow things down. But that maybe 486 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: in a week one, but not in the week four, 487 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And again during the open portion to practice 488 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: each each drill, they go from one drill to another drill. 489 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: It's it's working on technique. How do you wrap up? 490 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: They have They have these dummies where you gotta have 491 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: your chin up, head up, chin up looking and then 492 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: you wrap up. Now it's not live, so it's a 493 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: little bit different, but it's a mental muscle memory and 494 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: too many mental ayres. And I don't want to go 495 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: back to a couple of years ago. After every game, 496 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: but yesterday I thought of Steve Wilkes gap integrity, lack 497 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: of gap, discipline, lack of and we heard that all 498 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: every every week, and it was true, ten or nine 499 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: guys are doing their job, one or two aren't gap 500 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: integrity or lack of I saw a lot of that 501 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: on defense yesterday. Four hundred and forty four yards of 502 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: offense allowed by the defense better than six yards gained 503 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: by the Panthers every time they ran a play. And 504 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: specifically for me, the one area that I will harp 505 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: on this defense is the pass rush, not so much 506 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: the number of sacks. They didn't have any on Sunday. 507 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: But Teddy Bridgewater is not the most mobile and he's 508 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: probably not maybe a top tier quarterback. But if you 509 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: give anyone three four, five seconds in the pocket, I 510 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: don't care how good you are in the secondary, you 511 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: could have an all pro corner and an all pros safety. 512 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals had neither on Sunday. You can't ask players to 513 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: cover for five, six, seven seconds. And that was concerning 514 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: because as Cardinals did not knock Bridgewater off his spot. 515 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: In fact, they only had three quarterback hits. But he 516 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: was basically upright for that entire ball game, to the 517 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: point where he credited his offensive line in the post 518 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: game on why that team was able to pick up 519 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: the win over the Cardinals. They actually gave him the 520 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: team ball. He was rewarded the team ball, and he 521 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: gave it to his lineman. And you know, I listened 522 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: to Matt Rules press conference today and I listened to 523 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: it last night. And he was he had to make 524 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: a decision. Was he going to try to push Russell 525 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: Okong because of his injury. But he liked the way 526 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: Little played in practice, and so they give Okong another 527 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: week off get healthy, and Little played well and Molten, 528 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: who I think is going to be a big time 529 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: free agent next offseason. Not for the Cardinals, just as 530 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: a player. They won. They won that the line of scrimmage, 531 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: that's where that game was one Cardinals. They couldn't get 532 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: pressure on him. He gets rid of the ball quickly. 533 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: They're running wide open at times, receivers were wide open, 534 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: big big space in the middle of the field, and 535 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: I just think that's you got guys playing out a position. 536 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, he and listen. I didn't mention this on 537 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: the postgame show, but I mentioned it last week. This 538 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: guy was five and old and Drew Brees went down. Yeah, 539 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: they have more of a talented team. The thing is, 540 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: my point was he's been in the system when he 541 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: was in New Orleans, Joe Brady was there with Sean 542 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: Payton before he took the Lshue job. They're running the 543 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: Saints offense, so it's it's not like, oh my god, 544 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: they went out and spent all this money on Jacoby 545 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: Bursat or you know, Brian hoy Or. This guy went healthy, 546 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: was going to be a successful quarterback, and he was 547 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: probably not going to get pub until they started winning. 548 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: But what he did yesterday give him a ton of 549 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: credit because this is his team now, and you can 550 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: see they're starting to believe in him, including the head coach. 551 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: And I'll give the Panthers organization credit because Jeremy Chen 552 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I think that's what the Cardinals are looking for. And 553 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, Derek Brown, you and I loved him coming out. 554 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: I thought he gave some fits to Mason Cole. I 555 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: thought Cole had held his own tours as the game 556 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: went on, and then Motos. He doesn't start, but he 557 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: comes as a pass rusher. And all three of those 558 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: guys are playing as rookies. Now. They're in a different situation, 559 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: brand new head coach, six year deal, they bring in, 560 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, Phil Snow, different philosophy when it comes to defense, 561 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: but you could see that they're building something again. We 562 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: talked about going against new head coaches. Now, Ron River, 563 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: I don't say reach had but he but it's his 564 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: new team. He doesn't have Cam Newton, he has Dwayne Hasson. 565 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: They got that win a new head coach, guys came 566 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: from college. Even though Matt Rule was an NFL coach. 567 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: Matt Roll says, it's not about me. It's about the players. 568 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: It's never about him. And give his staff credit because 569 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: all week they said Brian Byrne said, we looked at 570 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: the film and we were not going to let Kyler 571 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Murray out of the pocket. Now we heard the same 572 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: thing from Bosa and it didn't work. It worked yesterday. 573 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: It always comes down to the players on Sundays. It's 574 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: what our colleague, Bertram Barry says, coaching is Monday through Saturday, 575 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: and then on Sunday it's the players responsibility and they 576 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: need to take all the bows and arrows that are 577 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: going to come there away here over the next several 578 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: days before they get on the field again on Sunday, 579 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: because it's well deserved. They earned what happened to them 580 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: on Sunday. Going back to what Corey Peters said a 581 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: week ago, you earn what you get based off your performance, 582 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals earned themselves not only a loss, but 583 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: a beat down and an embarrassment. This team is no 584 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: longer the talk of the NFL. Now, it's hard to 585 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: hear anything said about the Cardinals right now. And you've 586 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: mentioned it. Four games in two and two that should 587 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: be respectable. But expectations this season overall, I've changed expectations 588 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: at the first two games, certainly ramped up and changed 589 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: everyone's perspective. So now the onus is on those players 590 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: and the locker room to turn this thing around and 591 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: do it. Not wait until Sunday, but the next time 592 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: they step on that practice field, which is Wednesday morning. 593 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: What I tell you last week, because I always look 594 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: ahead a little bit, you know, so I pay attention 595 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: to the jetson and I'll start looking at the Cowboys. 596 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: I do it weekly. But I watched his press conference 597 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: and he told his team, we won this game last 598 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: week by the way you practiced. Talking about that role, 599 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: Matt Rule said, to see anything last night, the way 600 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: you guys came to practice. They were physical, and they 601 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: were fast. They look like a fast team, and that's 602 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: kind of like the Saints. And he talked about players 603 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: that makes He said, Jackson had a really good practice 604 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: last week. I thought he would play well. He thought 605 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: he held up pretty good Douglas. Douglas was covering Hopkins. 606 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: He come out and say, today we can live with 607 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: those numbers. Practice. That's I mean, the games. I wouldn't 608 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: say it should be easy, but if you put the 609 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: work in and you're mentally prepared and you're willing to 610 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: go out there and put your you know, your your 611 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: body on the line, something could should be three hours 612 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: of entertainment. I know it's it's a lot of pressure, 613 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: but you've put the work in now you should be 614 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: able to get the reward in the end. Again, I 615 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: like this guy. He's got a six year contract, who 616 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: knows clearly they're starting over. But you know, I like 617 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: the way he's approaching things. And I know Cliff has 618 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: his own you know, you know, things that he works on. 619 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt Rule seems like he maybe in the 620 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: meetings for fifteen to twenty minutes telling stories. Cliffs kind 621 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: of quicker. So they're different personalities. But it's just that 622 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: the onis has to be on the players. I mean, 623 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: we can talk about play calling. We did this two 624 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: years ago with Wilkes about execution, and maybe they didn't 625 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: have the best roster and maybe not the best staff, 626 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: but this is completely different. So I'm expecting this team 627 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: to kind of I want to say, good down a role, 628 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: but I'm not confident to say that right now. It's 629 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: one week at a time. Bird Gang. Subscribe to arizon 630 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: A Cardinals podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google podcast, Stitcher, 631 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: and SoundCloud. Listen to your favorite shows on the go, 632 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: like Cardinals Underground, The Big Red Rage, The Cardinals Red 633 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: Sea Report, and of course this show Cardinals Cover two. 634 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: Visit Easy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts for more information 635 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: to that last point you made m J Cliff Kingsbury 636 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: earlier on Monday, quote, we have twelve games left and 637 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: it's time to figure it out. Quote. Certainly there is time, 638 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: but as you said, and I think it's worth repeating, 639 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: it's not, Hey, look what's ahead later on in November, 640 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: It's no, it's Wednesday, then it's Thursday, and then it's Friday, 641 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: and then you get to the reward on Sunday, and 642 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: this week it's the Jets. And I admit maybe I 643 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: got a little over ahead of myself, as many people did, 644 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: as far as how the ge, how the season started, 645 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: and then looking at your opponents coming up because of 646 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: how they had performed or not performed but certainly expected better. 647 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: This is where we're at right now here on this Monday, 648 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: October fifth, and we'll see how this season tilts. It 649 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: can go one of two ways. It can be turned around. 650 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: Like Kingsbury said, this downward spiral can continue, and I 651 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: certainly think it's the former rather than the ladder. Yeah. 652 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: I like the leadership in the locker room, but when 653 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: you're not playing well, it's probably hard to you know, 654 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: lead by example, go out there and make a play, 655 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, and Patrick, good dad, But you know what 656 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: about the other thirty five forty minutes in the game 657 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: on the defense. So yeah, I mean it's it's a 658 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: production business based on results. And you can see what's 659 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: happening in Houston right now. After four games. They fired 660 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: their head coaching GM Bill O'Brien fired during our show 661 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: here on Monday, which I'm sure is gonna raise a 662 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: little eyebrows. I'm sure ownership looks at we trust you 663 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: to tread. DeAndre Hopkins, David Johnson has been okay, you know, 664 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: average numbers. The team's not winning, so clearly they can't 665 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: run the football and if they fall behind. But Bill 666 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: O'Brien won four division titles in the last five years. 667 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: The problem is, Craig, they don't have draft picks for 668 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: the next couple of years. So you're looking at going 669 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: where are we going? You know what I mean? They 670 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: give up a deal for Laramie Tunsil, They're lucky they 671 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: got a three for Judevion Clowney. But I want to 672 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: say they don't have a first and second round pick. 673 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: I know it's either next year or back to back years. Yeah, 674 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: but here's a guy that's won and he actually took 675 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: over play calling and the next day he gets his 676 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 1: pink slip. Yeah, certainly not good and Houston is better 677 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: here in Arizona. Now we all need to see it 678 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: on the field, and certainly no one's abandoning ship. Yet 679 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: at the same time, what is our last image of 680 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals And it's walking off the field ten 681 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: point losers to a team that they are better than 682 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: and they didn't show it. Well, you know, we don't 683 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: live in the same market where Adam Gases or Joe Judge, 684 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, both teams combined or O and eight. So 685 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: you look at you know what's going on where Adam 686 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: Gas is coming under fire. You know because Joe Douglas 687 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: and higher. You look after twenty games, he's got the 688 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: same record as Cliff Kingsbury. Now I'm not saying Cliffs 689 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: and troll. I'm just saying he's he's been there. They 690 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: don't see progress. I think we see progress. It's just 691 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: we need to see it more consistent. We see what 692 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: they can do, and that's why these next twelve games 693 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: are going to be important. I'm not calling for anybody's 694 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if this team wants to, you know, 695 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: stay in the race, there's got to be an accountability board, 696 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: and it starts with starts at the top meeting and 697 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: it just dwindles down. But I like the stability they 698 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: have on the coaching staff. I really do. It's really 699 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: comes down to the players and execution and knowing your 700 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: assignments and tackling and it sounds so simple, but it's 701 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: not as easy as I'm I'm making it. It's going 702 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: to be an interesting next few days leading into that 703 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: week five costs against the Jets, and we'll cover it 704 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: all right here on Cardinals Cover two. And on that note, 705 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: let's put a lid on this Monday edition of Cardinals 706 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: Cover two. Presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 707 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: As always to our executive producer Jim Alma Hundre. For 708 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki, I'm Craig Rayel Loup. We'll talk to you 709 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: next time you're on Cardinals. Cover two