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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George

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Speaker 1: nor with you with our special guest Corny Cole, and

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Speaker 1: we are talking about the case of Jarvis J. Masters

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Speaker 1: who is on death row in California and has been

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Speaker 1: on death row for how many years now, Corny? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Thirty two years? So I know it's stunning. He uh as,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he went into prison when he was

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Speaker 1: nineteen years old for multiple armed robberies. Um, but he's

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Speaker 1: been on death row for a total of thirty two years,

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Speaker 1: which is astonishing. He was brought up in a so

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Speaker 1: so environment correct, Oh, oh lord, I would not call

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Speaker 1: it so so. It's that bad. Yeah, it was a

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Speaker 1: horrific upbringing. He You know, the Children's defense fun coin

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Speaker 1: to phrase called the cradled prison pipeline, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a scenario in which, you know, young boys

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Speaker 1: given no opportunity for love and are sent into the

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Speaker 1: state system. So much abuse, so much drugs, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's almost like a foregone conclusion that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these kids, you know, at very young ages, will will

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Speaker 1: be in prison one day based on their upbringing. Jarvis

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Speaker 1: was raised in southern California, not twenty miles from where

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Speaker 1: I was raised in Long Beach, and his mother was

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Speaker 1: addicted to meth. His father was extremely abusive. He had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of siblings, and you know, Jarvis really took

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Speaker 1: care of them. He tells me one story which just

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Speaker 1: kind of just chills the Bejesus out of me. And

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Speaker 1: it's that, you know, he was like four years old.

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Speaker 1: He would go to the house behind the house that

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Speaker 1: he grew up in. And by the way, there was

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Speaker 1: no electricity in the house he grew up in, but

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Speaker 1: there was a lady in the house behind him that

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Speaker 1: would put food out on the doorstep for the children

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Speaker 1: so that they would have food to eat, because his

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Speaker 1: parents would forget to feed them, forget to feed them,

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Speaker 1: forget to feed them. Uh and and and she would

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Speaker 1: put a carton of milk out there for the kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and um. But his father was incredibly abusive,

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Speaker 1: sent his mother to the hospital on death's door, almost

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Speaker 1: beating her so severely as she was trying to protect

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Speaker 1: her children, Jarvis being one of them, and Eventually Jarvis

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Speaker 1: and all of his siblings were sent to foster care

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Speaker 1: and UM and he went through that system. He had

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Speaker 1: one absolutely better than so, so I would say experience

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Speaker 1: with his first foster parents. Uh. They were Mamie and

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Speaker 1: Dennis Proctor were their names, and they they were an

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Speaker 1: older couple, and they loved Jarvis deeply as though he

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Speaker 1: were his they were he were their own and UM,

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Speaker 1: and they took care of him and they shut he had,

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Speaker 1: he had his own bedroom. They showed him what love was.

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Speaker 1: They took him to church. It gave him a sense

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Speaker 1: of value and a sense of being. But a couple

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Speaker 1: of years into that UM, they Mamie was extremely ill.

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Speaker 1: She had cancer and she she was dying, And so

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Speaker 1: Mamie and Dennis had to let Jarvis go when he

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Speaker 1: was around nine or ten, at which point he was

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Speaker 1: sent back into foster care system and he went from

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Speaker 1: The stories that he writes about in that Bird Has

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Speaker 1: My Wings are utterly horrific, the way that he was

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Speaker 1: homes and whatnot. It's stunning to me that he's the

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Speaker 1: and and it really is. It's I if I opening

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Speaker 1: to say the least. So he's behind the eight ball

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden gets involved in a

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Speaker 1: with a shotgun like a movie, and he gets arrested

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Speaker 1: didn't like, so they decided to kill him. What happened,

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Speaker 1: So basically there was a guard that was murdered on

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Speaker 1: the campus of San Quentin. Three individuals were accused of

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy to commit murder. One of the men was

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Speaker 1: the man who was convicted of masterminding the conspiracy, so

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Speaker 1: he ordered it and ordered his underlings to kill this

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Speaker 1: of parole. And Jarvis was accused of manufacturing the tip

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Speaker 1: and he even though he was he was on a

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Speaker 1: different tier, He was on a different level. He was

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Speaker 1: mind blowing. That he did not commit the murder. He

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Speaker 1: life and Jarvis got death. And apparently they never found

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Speaker 1: the weapon. Yes, they never found the weapon. How could

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Speaker 1: tell me, You tell me, George, it is it's mind

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Speaker 1: bodily that they couldn't find it or didn't find it,

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Speaker 1: because Jarvis is very much of the mind, and as

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Speaker 1: as all of us who believe in him, you know,

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Speaker 1: had they found that weapon, had they found that tip

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Speaker 1: the different you know, cells, and they could have looked

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Speaker 1: sharp tip, or it would have had prints on it,

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Speaker 1: have had there would have been ligature marks on the ground.

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Speaker 1: There was just absolute It's amazing. Had they found it,

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Speaker 1: Jarvis would have been cleared because he had nothing to

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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a sad part of this whole case,

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Speaker 1: the missing evidence. Does does he admit, Corny, that he

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Speaker 1: was some part of this situation? Not whatsoever? None, He

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Speaker 1: was not whatsoever. And in fact, all of the individuals

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Speaker 1: had absolutely nothing to do with it. Well, who who

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Speaker 1: nailed the guy? Then who framed him? There there were

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Speaker 1: there were witnesses that were also. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you talked on the show much about prison snitches,

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Speaker 1: but they are notoriously unreliable and so basically a prison

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Speaker 1: snitch is somebody who you know, gives up the goods

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Speaker 1: on people in order to get leniency. That there are

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Speaker 1: circumstances where where where prisoners will will snitch on somebody

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Speaker 1: and in exchange, you know, they'll get all of the

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Speaker 1: big max that they want for the next year. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the lenient whether it's true or not right

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly, And and so there were three you know,

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Speaker 1: three that that UM witnesses against him. Right. But subsequent

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Speaker 1: I believe he's going to get a new federal court

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Speaker 1: be October twenty seventh. Um, he's got a whole new

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Speaker 1: legal team with Kirkland and Ellis. They are a global

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Speaker 1: firm that took on this case based on the fact,

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Speaker 1: he is an innocent man. They're not and and and

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Speaker 1: they they see a path for him. And so they

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Speaker 1: are arguing his innocence before before the federal judges in October.

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Speaker 1: If they're successful, I assume they will just simply release

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Speaker 1: him because he would have been paroled by now for

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Speaker 1: the arm robbery charge. It's it's a long story. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it's not just you get to walk free. You know,

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Speaker 1: the judge could decide on the bench in October. But

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Speaker 1: what he might decide is, Okay, I believe what has

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Speaker 1: back to the States to decide in which case the

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Speaker 1: state may retry the case. In all likelihood, I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine that they would because there's literally no evidence. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how they could retry a case that is

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Speaker 1: now thirty two years old, right, were the most witnesses gone.

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Speaker 1: Probably there are still witnesses, the ones that implicated him,

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Speaker 1: but they have come out since and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: They lied, They lied, they lied absolutely, And you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of the strange and sad irony of that lying

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Speaker 1: hearing in twenty eleven for Jarvis, and the judge at

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Speaker 1: the time acknowledged that false testimony was likely presented in

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Speaker 1: Jarvis's original case, so so they acknowledge that. And yet

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Speaker 1: the judge dismissed the witness's recantations, arguing that they lacked credibility. So,

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Speaker 1: in other words, these witnesses were deemed credible enough for

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, but they were not credible enough to exonerate

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Speaker 1: him after they they change their testimony. Did you always

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that I grew up in Orange County, UM,

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Speaker 1: not far from where Jarvis did, and I grew up

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Speaker 1: in a very Republican enclave in southern California and UM,

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Speaker 1: and I come from a long line of people who

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Speaker 1: death penalty when I knew Jarvis, and but the more

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Speaker 1: I got to know him, and the more I read

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Speaker 1: about his case, the more it just kind of chipped

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Speaker 1: away at what my foundational understanding of the death penalty was. Like,

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Speaker 1: of the dredges of America, Right, That's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: But little by little, the more I read about it,

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Speaker 1: it really is ultimately unfair. It's it's it's arbitrary. I

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Speaker 1: mean talk about it's an arbitrary thing. If you look

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Speaker 1: they got life, and yet arbitrarily the guy who didn't

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Speaker 1: it's outrageous and it's mind blowing. And that was the

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Speaker 1: you're telling me that that that we could conceivably be

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Speaker 1: you know, executing a an innocent American citizen is just

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Speaker 1: mind baffling. And so I started reading and reading and read.

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Speaker 1: I read book upon book upon book about about the

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Speaker 1: death penalty and and how unfair it is and how

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Speaker 1: incredibly racist the system is. The percentage of men of

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Speaker 1: color and women of color for that matter, on on

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Speaker 1: death row is significantly higher than that of of of

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Speaker 1: white people. Um and and so it is an unfair system.

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Speaker 1: So if you were to ask me, do I believe

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Speaker 1: in the death penalty, I would fundamentally say no. I

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Speaker 1: I'm not an ad and DNA evidence, DNA evidence, everything everything,

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Speaker 1: when there is possibly a single solitary man on death row.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you if you think about it, UM

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Speaker 1: that that says that four percent of people on death

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Speaker 1: So if you think about that, there's over seven hundred

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Speaker 1: they're not just Jarvis is innocent, they're twenty eight innocent

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Speaker 1: that should outrage every single solitary citizen. There shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: The thing also that just fires me up to no

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Speaker 1: There's no western country that that that does that other

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Speaker 1: it is not a practice that is condoned in other

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Speaker 1: UM first first world countries. And so why us? We

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Speaker 1: you know that that has just really lit my fire.

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Speaker 1: And you know, knowing Jarvis and loving Jarvis the way

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Speaker 1: I do, I I I am here for him forever

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Speaker 1: to to get him, to get him out of there,

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Speaker 1: because he has so much to offer the world, and

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Speaker 1: and he has offered so much from behind virus, So

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Speaker 1: how much more can he offer when when he's a

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