1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We appreciate 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: all of you. Buck is already on his Christmas vacation. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I've got you today and tomorrow. Encourage you to go 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast. If you haven't already, go check 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: out the YouTube channel. You can find us on social 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: media anywhere in the country and hopefully we will be 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: able to entertain you as best we can. There a 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: lot of different stories that we are tracking. More video 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: footage surrounding the Brown University shooter. It's now been six days, 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I believe, as we come up on six days since 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: that shooting occurred, no one has been arrested. We have 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: been reacting to very positive story. If you missed it earlier. 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: This morning, inflation came in lower than expected two point 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: seven percent, the lowest level of inflation since the spring 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one one, when Joe Biden came into 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: office two point six percent core inflation level. The Fed's 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: goal is two percent. If you want to nerd out 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: on economic related analysis, we spent a lot of the 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: opening of the first hour discussing how this, how interest 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: rates are impacted in an inflation environment, and why I 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: am so optimistic as we head into twenty twenty six 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: about the overall trajectory of the economy. We discussed President 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Trump's address last night from the White House nine pm 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Eastern that was carried President Trump right now is signing 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: an executive order easing restrictions on marijuana. He is now 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: taking questions from the press that is assembled in the 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: Oval Office. He is seated at the resolute Desk. We 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: will be monitoring that with all of you to make 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: sure that we are on top of anything that he 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: says there. Now a bit of other news. The Trump 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Kennedy Center is now a thing. We'll see whether or 32 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: not this name sticks when there are new administrations that 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: potentially come in. But the Kennedy Center has voted to 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: rename itself the Trump Kennedy Center, and that is becoming 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: the new name there. In the wake of the amount 36 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: of interest that President Trump has given to the Kennedy 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: Center overall again, they have renamed it. 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: Daily Mail reporting I mentioned. 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: That this was a story that we were following. A 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: private plane crashed in North Carolina with several people on it, 41 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: and the Daily Mail is now reporting that NASCAR legend 42 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: Greg Biffle died in that plane craft, and they are 43 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: citing one of his best friends saying that the fifty 44 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: five year old NASCAR legend. The plane was on its 45 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: way to Sarasota, Florida. According to this report, it crashed 46 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: about forty five minutes from from Charlotte, and Garrett Mitchell, 47 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: one of Biffle's friends, said, Unfortunately, I can confirm Greg Biffle, 48 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: his wife, Christina, and son Writer were on that plane. 49 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: They were on the way to spend the afternoon with us. Mitchell, 50 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: according to Daily Mail, often appears in YouTube videos with Biffle. 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: He wrote this on Facebook, where devastated, I'm so sorry 52 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: to share this. He also said he was not sure 53 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: who else was potentially on that plane, a Sesna C 54 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: five point fifty according to the FAA. So that is 55 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: a awful story out there for those of you that 56 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: are NASCAR fans. Greg Biffel, very famous and well known 57 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: race car driver in the NASCAR world, again reportedly dying, 58 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: according to one of his best friends. As reported by 59 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail, Okay, let's see another story that is 60 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: out there that I think is getting maybe not as 61 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: much attention as it should. I was texting with producer 62 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: Ali about this last night, and the Brown University shooting 63 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: certainly killed two people. This shooting at MIT, a professor 64 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: at MIT was assassinated. 65 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: Two days later. 66 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Unknown assailant fatally shot MIT professor Nuno Lauro and I'm 67 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: probably mispronouncing his name inside his Boston home about fifty 68 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: miles away from that other shooting. The FBI agent said 69 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: they don't think there's a connection, but other people are 70 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: saying is there a connection here? 71 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: And the. 72 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: Idea that a MIT professor who was an expert in 73 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: nuclear weaponry would be killed like this is It's a 74 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: story that I think should get a lot of attention. 75 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: He is a theoretical physicist and fusion scientist that has 76 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: specializes in nuclear science, engineering and physics. And there are 77 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: a lot of discussions about how is this forty seven 78 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: year old dad of three just getting killed MIT professor 79 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: with nuclear weapons training background? Is there something more to 80 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: this again that happened here recently, So all of those 81 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: stories being discussed. By the way, We're going to talk 82 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: with Jonathan Albert at the bottom of the hour about 83 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: how to handle friends family who may have Trump derangement 84 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: syndrome as the holidays are now upon us. But I 85 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 1: also wanted to play this for you. Piers Morgan had 86 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: Candace Owens on his program. We haven't spent a lot 87 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: of time talking about this, but Candace Owens has been 88 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: chasing the allegations or conspiracy. She's been arguing that somebody 89 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: other than this crazy guy killed Charlie Kirk, and Pierce 90 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: Morgan pressed her on that, and this is what that 91 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: sounded like in their conversation. 92 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 4: Listen, there is specifically two people at Turning Point, USA, 93 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 4: and I have communicated that information to Erica and Justice 94 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 4: Strife that I would not be surprised if they had 95 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 4: for knowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinated, would you. 96 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm not going to name I am not going to. 97 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: Name those people, okay, because it's not right for me 98 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: to name those people until I know for a fact 99 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: that they did. 100 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: Did you give the names to Eric, Yes, I absolutely did. 101 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: I gave the names to Erica of two employees, current 102 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: employees at Turning Point, who you believe were involved in 103 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk, is what 104 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: you're saying. 105 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: I told them that if if I were in your shoes, 106 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 4: would these would be two employees that I would look 107 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: further into. 108 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: What evidence do you have that they had any prior 109 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: knowledge of the murder? 110 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: Because I don't have concrete evidence is the reason why 111 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: I'm not naming them. 112 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: I mean, this is crazy. Uh, this is why I 113 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: give credit. 114 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: And I am optimistic that when this trial takes place, 115 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: that we are going to be able to hear more 116 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: and see more of what motivated this assassin. And the 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: Washington Post had a story that was out that I 118 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: thought was significant and worthy of discussing. Uh, the Washington 119 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: let me read some of this. This Tyler Robinson, this 120 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: far left wing activist who killed Charlie Kirk based on 121 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: all the evidence. And this is the Washington Post profile 122 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: that they did surrounding this alleged assassin who will be 123 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: standing trial soon. A few times I'm reading from the 124 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Washington Post. When he was drunk, Robinson would joke about 125 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: right wing politicians, saying like that guy's going to catch 126 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: a bullet one day. No one took it seriously, and 127 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: they would say he would say it when he was drinking. 128 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: He reacted to Trump being shot by celebratory joke, and 129 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: they said that he increasingly and his roommate were angry 130 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: about right wing politicians and an anti trans sentiment in Utah. 131 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: They show the. 132 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: Roommate asked friends whether they wanted to attend an anti 133 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: Trump protest after the twenty twenty four election. The roommate 134 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: viewed Trump's election I'm reading from the Washington Post as 135 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: a loss for trans rights and was distraught. More than once, 136 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: the person said he saw Robinson cradling his sobbing roommate 137 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: in his arms. This is the trans roommate. I believe 138 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: this is the man who identified as a woman. I 139 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: sometimes get crossed up on this team. I believe that's true. 140 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. In February, the roommate was 141 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: furious when people came over to watch a basketball game 142 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: NBA game. According to people were there, one of the 143 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: visitors said something about trans athletes and how ridiculous it 144 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: was for trans athletes to be competing, and the roommate 145 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: interrupted him and shouted repeatedly to shut up about that, 146 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: and all the room went quiet before play eventually resumed. 147 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: And also, this person says Robinson and the trans roommate 148 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the killer. The alleged assassin would complain about right wing 149 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: figures in the news, including Trump. So again, the motivation here, 150 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: I think is very clear. I also understand the desire 151 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: among many to believe that there is something larger in 152 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: play than just one person can get a rifle and 153 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: go in the life of somebody as significant as Charlie Kirk. 154 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: And thankfully we dodged this with President Trump and Butler 155 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania on July thirteenth. 156 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: But it's I think. 157 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: Beyond the pale to suggest that someone at Turning Point 158 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: was involved in trying to encourage the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 159 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that is I think, absolutely a crazy Looney 160 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Bin take. And one of the things that I think 161 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: is very challenging in modern media is there are very 162 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: few consequences for crazy opinions. And actually, we've created a 163 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: media ecosystem that can reward crazy opinions. And I think 164 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: that's something that is going to be important to grapple 165 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: with in the years ahead. How do we reconcile when 166 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: people say things that end up not being true. And 167 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about just getting predictions wrong. We get 168 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: predictions wrong on this show all the time. Those of 169 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: you who have listened to this show for a long 170 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: time know that, for instance, I said we were going 171 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: to have a red wave in twenty twenty two, didn't materialize. 172 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: I was wrong. I came on, I said I was wrong. 173 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, we got a red wave in Florida, we 174 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: got a red wave in New York. It didn't happen 175 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: in other cities and states. And then in twenty twenty 176 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: four we did get a red wave and it brought 177 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: President Trump in and so you could feel the building 178 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: of the red wave. I was just early in my forecast. 179 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: I think honestly, the Dobbs decision muted what would have 180 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: been a red wave in twenty twenty two. That's my opinion. 181 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: I think that abortion got out a lot of Democrats 182 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: and it forestalled the red. 183 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: Wave until twenty twenty four. 184 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: And by the way, you can argue that if we 185 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: had gotten a red wave in twenty twenty two, Joe 186 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Biden would have stepped down then and said I'm not 187 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: running for reelection. The Democrats would have had a full primary, 188 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Republicans would have had a full primary, and we wouldn't 189 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: have ended up with Trump versus Kamala. We may have 190 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: ended up with I think Trump still probably would have 191 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: won the overall Republican nomination, But who knows who the 192 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: nominee would have been for Democrats. I don't think it 193 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: would have been Kamala. And so you get things wrong. 194 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: That's part of this business. It's hard to forecast the future. 195 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: Nobody is perfect at it. But when you say things 196 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: that are able to be proven incorrect, what is the 197 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: metric under which there are consequences for that? 198 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: I think it's. 199 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: Something that in the world in which we live, it's 200 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: very hard for me to sue, for instance, because somebody 201 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: defame me because I'm a public figure. So if you 202 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: go on social media at any moment, people are saying 203 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: awful things about me, They're saying awful things about Buck, 204 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: They're saying awful things about many different people in public life. 205 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: And because the standard is so substantial for a public 206 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: figure to be able to sue, we almost have created 207 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: a world where you can say anything about anyone and 208 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: if they are a public figure. In the United States, 209 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: it's almost impossible for there to be any form of 210 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: defamation that is recoverable, and so that actually leads, I think, 211 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: to an incentives culture where you can say awful things 212 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: about whoever you don't like, awful, untrue things not opinions, 213 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: right me saying I think Tim Walls is an awful, 214 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: awful governor and was an atrocious vice presidential candidate and 215 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: didn't actually appeal to men at all, and Democrats made 216 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: it a tremendously boneheaded decision there. That's all well intentioned. 217 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: I believe everything I just said. But if I took 218 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the next step and said I think Tim Walls is 219 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's a drug dealer, that would be totally 220 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: made up. I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever to 221 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: support it. But I don't know that Tim Walls could 222 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: sue because he's a public figure, and the standard of 223 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: public figures is you can basically say anything about them 224 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: and there are no consequences. I think this is going 225 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: to become more and more challenging in a social media age. 226 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: It's something that I spend a lot of time thinking about. 227 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: And this is me going down into the weeds legally, 228 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: but the New York Times v. Sullivan standard when it 229 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: comes to free speech in the First Amendment and how 230 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: that is implicated, it doesn't really fit the modern era 231 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: in which we live. It's an outdated policy precedent from 232 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties that I don't think fits the modern 233 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: reality of media in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. 234 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: Something to think about, something to put a pin in it. 235 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many Supreme Court justices really 236 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: get this. Several of them have started to say, hey, 237 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: you know what this idea of Times v. Sullivan needs 238 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: to be modified. Clarence Thomas has talked about it. I 239 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: think it's a huge deal. I think it's a substantial 240 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: story that is going to be generationally important in the 241 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: years ahead. 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So given the fact that Christmas is nearing, 313 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: we are exactly one week from Christmas Day. If I 314 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: am doing my math correctly, and I think i am, 315 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: and obviously Hanukkah is underway, What is the number one 316 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: piece of advice you would give anyone out there that 317 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: is going to be with friends and family who hate 318 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: President Trump. Many of the people listening to us right 319 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: now are big Trump supporters. What is the number one 320 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: piece of advice when it comes to holidays with Trump haters? 321 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 8: Well, Clay, maybe get a life, but that aside, you know, 322 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 8: I think people need to recognize that family and friend 323 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 8: friends are, or at least should be, more important than 324 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 8: Donald Trump or any political figure that may be in 325 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 8: our country. But all too often that's not the case. 326 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 8: We have people who are dividing families, cutting off relatives, 327 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 8: loved ones, friends, just because of the way that someone voted. 328 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 8: And as a therapist, I mean, I'm seeing this endlessly 329 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 8: since Thanksgiving. People are coming in talking about high anxiety 330 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 8: about seeing their Trump loving uncle or even their progressive 331 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 8: cousin over the holiday. So it's a real problem in 332 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 8: our society. And what I'm seeing this year seems worse 333 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 8: than a year's past. And I think part of the 334 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 8: problem is people have become their anger has become hardened, 335 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 8: and it's become part of their personality. So we really 336 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 8: need to try to examine that and figure out how 337 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 8: to work with these people. And sometimes as simple as 338 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 8: saying past the gravy may work just to remind people like, 339 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 8: we're here for the holiday dinner, not to discuss politics. 340 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: We've got Kathy in Birmingham, Alabama. She has a question 341 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: for you. Kathy, you're talking with Jonathan Alpert. You've got 342 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: a dad who is a major Trump hater. Ask your question, how. 343 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: Do you deal with it? He is ninety years old, 344 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: and Clay he was he founded. I thought it was 345 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: my own father that called in the Bill from Wisconsin. 346 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 3: My father's name is Bill and he is from the 347 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: Upper Peninsula, Michigan, and Bill from Wisconsin is exactly how 348 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: my father is treating his three adult children. 349 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for the case. What should she do? 350 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: You didn't hear earlier, but we had to call her 351 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: Bill from Wisconsin, who just hates Trump? Sounds like her 352 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: dad ninety years old? Is that way too? What would 353 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: you suggest that she do? Is it completely ignore everything 354 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: having to do with Trump? What's the best way to 355 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: get through the holidays with some semblance of sanity in 356 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: the household? 357 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 8: Yeah? And I think accepting that there will be people 358 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 8: who hate Trump, or hate Joe Biden, or hate Kamala Harris, 359 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 8: but again like recognizing that no one political figure should 360 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 8: dominate a holiday, and maybe getting back to the importance 361 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 8: of the holiday and what it's all about, and maybe 362 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 8: there can just be a brief acknowledgment. I understand that 363 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 8: we don't see I politically, but I love you. You're 364 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 8: my father, you're my daughter, whatever the case may be. 365 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 8: And let's focus on family and enjoying the holiday together. 366 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 8: So most of the times that will work. 367 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: We also have another question. 368 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate people calling in Ryan and Boston has a 369 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: question for you. Jonathan Albert on with us. 370 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 7: Now, gentlemen, great topic and built from Wisconsin. You have 371 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 7: to realize you don't get every vote. And he's one 372 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 7: of the guys to go the other way. But I 373 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 7: noticed this little kid. People going after Reagan, and I 374 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 7: don't even repeat the things they said. So this goes 375 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 7: on politically, it seems more from the left. They do 376 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 7: get kind of vicious. And I always wanted to know. 377 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 7: I believe on an emotional level, and I'd ask you, 378 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 7: is are these people stunted emotionally because people now are 379 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 7: excluding people from Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners and they want 380 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 7: no part of these They don't want no part of 381 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 7: these individuals because they can't control their political views at 382 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 7: dinners anymore. You know, I could What I could do 383 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 7: is what I do is I just walk away. During Thanksgiving, 384 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 7: I can watch football I'm a sports fan, or even 385 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 7: Christmas they have games and I could watch or just 386 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 7: walk away from any kind of looming to his conversation, 387 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 7: but a lot of people on the other side don't 388 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 7: like it at all. People are being excluded. And a 389 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 7: good example I saw as a young guy when Pappy 390 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 7: Cannon ran for president, even Republicans got vicious calling names. 391 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 7: So name calling is permitted in politics, but tampering with 392 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 7: the actual agenda is not. 393 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: John, Thank you for the call, Ryan Jonathan. I this 394 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: is something that I think everybody is grappling with and 395 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: it's not gonna go away. And I think I asked 396 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: you this last time, but I find it super interesting. 397 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: Is Trump derangement syndrome as it exists today? And I 398 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: would say there's about twenty percent of Americans that just 399 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: genuinely hate Trump with every fiber of their being. Is 400 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: it gonna translate to other politicians on the Republican side 401 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: of the aisle. 402 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: Let's say it's J. D. 403 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: Vance or Marco Robio or Ron DeSantis, whoever is the 404 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: next flag bearer for the Republican Party. In your experience, 405 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: does this kind of hate translate? Or if Trump steps 406 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: off the stage, which he will do in January of 407 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, does it then sort of leave with him? 408 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 8: Great question, Clay, and I remember you did ask that 409 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 8: last time. I think to some degree the hate does 410 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 8: stick around into the next president, whoever that may be, 411 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 8: but maybe to a lesser extent because Trump has just 412 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 8: been such a polarizing figure and he came out of 413 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 8: the business world, and most likely we'll have a politician 414 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 8: that steps up into the presidency next time and not 415 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 8: this outsider that Trump was. And I think a lot 416 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 8: of people just had trouble reconciling, like how can this guy, 417 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 8: a real estate tycoon and TV star become president? And 418 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 8: a lot of people just cannot be okay with that 419 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 8: and reconcile that. So I don't think we'll quite have 420 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 8: that at play and that hatred. But yes, to your point, 421 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 8: I think there are always going to be people who 422 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 8: hate the other side. One of the differences that I've 423 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 8: seen is the hatred towards the right seems to be 424 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 8: much more potent than the hatred towards the left. Plenty 425 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 8: of patients of mind didn't like Biden or Harris, but 426 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 8: it never rose to the level of wanting either of 427 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 8: those people dead. But we've certainly seen that on the 428 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 8: other side. 429 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: Mary in Texas has an opinion. I'm curious what you 430 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: would think of her opinion. Mary, you've got Jonathan Albert 431 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: on with us. What have you got for us? 432 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 6: Well, the basic things about being with your family or 433 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 6: friends during the holidays. It's just very very very lovingly, 434 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 6: very kindly say, Look, we've been together for ninety years, 435 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 6: you know, forty years for children, has been wife. This 436 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 6: isn't about what's going on in politics. 437 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 9: This is about Christmas. 438 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 6: This is about being with family. 439 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 9: Let's take responsibility as adults, as human beings to be 440 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 9: loving with each other, to be Christian with each other, 441 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 9: and the rest is gonna be what it is. You're 442 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 9: gonna think what you're gonna think, you're gonna you're gonna 443 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 9: want to do what you're gonna want to do, but 444 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 9: let's leave it away from around us. 445 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, Mary. Good advice, Jonathan. 446 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 8: Oh, excellent advice from Mary. That's pretty much what I 447 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 8: tell my patients that friends and family are far more 448 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 8: important than politics, and they should transcend any occupant of 449 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 8: the White House. Unfortunately, we're not seeing that this holiday season. 450 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 8: But that's great advice from Mary. 451 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: Historically, we talked with Breonna Lyman from The Federalist in 452 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: the second hour of the program. I love history because 453 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: it teaches you that you're way tougher, and then you 454 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: think you are in that the country is way tougher 455 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: than many people think it is. I would imagine that 456 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: in the wake of the Civil War there were probably 457 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot of family gatherings that took place, particularly in 458 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: border states where people fought for different sides of the 459 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: country north and south, that it took a long time 460 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: to get through. Certainly for those of you out there 461 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: who remember the nineteen sixties, I would imagine during the 462 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: Vietnam War there were a lot of contentious Thanksgivings and Christmases. 463 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Are you optimistic that we will come through and that 464 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: sanity will win or are you concerned that in a 465 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: social media era it's harder for sanity to triumph going forward? 466 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: In other words, how perpetual do you think the divisions 467 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: in the country are compared to past history and looking forward? 468 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think if people could look at history 469 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 8: would probably be better off now than we are. Our 470 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 8: mental health would be better off. But then when you 471 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 8: enter into the mix social media and echo chambers that 472 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 8: people surround themselves in, it's really only intensifying the division 473 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 8: in our country. And that's part of what my forthcoming book, 474 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 8: Therapy Nation is about, like this division, and it's actually 475 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 8: fueled in part by my profession. We have therapy culture 476 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 8: that is placing blame on everyone but their patient. Of course, 477 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 8: it's your boss that's the bad guy, or your spouse, 478 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 8: it's not your fault. So you know, we don't have 479 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 8: resilience being taught to patients these days. We have quite 480 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 8: the opposite. We have grievance culture that's taking hold. We 481 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 8: have fragility, and that's a big part of the problem. 482 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 8: And again, if people could just look at our country's history, 483 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 8: and you make a good point that during the Civil 484 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 8: War and after it, families probably still got together and 485 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 8: loved each other. 486 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Jonathan Albert. If 487 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: people want to read more of what you are doing, 488 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: I know you've got a book coming out called Therapy Nation. 489 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: Where should they find you? 490 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 8: People can find me on x or Twitter at Jonathan 491 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 8: Albert and also my website Jonathan Albert dot com. 492 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: Outstanding stuff. 493 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: As always, have good holidays and we look forward to 494 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: talking to you again. 495 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, Clay. 496 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: I have a great Holliday you too. 497 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: I want to tell you candles were lit on Bondai 498 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Beach in Australia earlier this week by families, children, people 499 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: of faith to celebrate a festival of light. 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That's Fellowship gift dot org. 514 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 5: Want to be in the know when you're on the go. 515 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 5: The Team forty seven podcast trump highlights from the week 516 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 5: Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Bug podcast 517 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: feed find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you 518 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 5: get your podcasts. 519 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Thank you 520 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us on this Thursday. 521 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: Tomorrow will be the final show of the twenty twenty 522 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: five year. Now we will still have guest hosts. We 523 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: will have best of specials. But Buck is already out 524 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: on his Christmas vacation and I will be out after tomorrow. 525 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: We'll have a lot of fun breaking down all of 526 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: that with you guys. Our talkback function was not working 527 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: flawlessly go figure during the last segment, so I couldn't 528 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: get two people who had left talkbacks. But let me 529 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: hit Becky from Phoenix right here. She wanted this to 530 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: get out when we were talking with Jonathan Alpert, Gigi, Hey. 531 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 10: It's Becky from Phoenix. I disagree with this guy. It's 532 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 10: not about who you voted for. It's the ideology and 533 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 10: it's not a political figure. It's how you believe. And 534 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 10: when that is the root of your disagreements, then maybe 535 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 10: you do have you know, justification of saying you know what, Sorry, 536 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 10: we're not we don't see eye to eye, but we're 537 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 10: still family. We're still friends, that's. 538 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: It, Okay, thank you for that talk. Back breaking news 539 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: that's just coming down. This according to the Daily Mail, 540 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: authorities say they have now identified the shadowy figure, who's 541 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: face they have done reading from their site, whose face 542 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: they have been attempting to find with the help of 543 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: grainy surveillance footage. A name has not yet been released 544 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: and no one is in custody. But again that video 545 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: that all of you have been seeing of the person 546 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: of interest walking in the area of Brown University and Providence, 547 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: Rhode Island. This guy fired forty rounds, killed two students, 548 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: wounded twelve more. And now there is also a discussion 549 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: that there may be a connection between the Brown shooting 550 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: and the killing of MIT Professor Nuno Lauro, a nuclear scientist. 551 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: So they are now trying to figure out did the 552 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: Brown University shooter also kill this MIT researcher and what 553 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: might the connection be between both of these attacks, if any. 554 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: But again, hopefully tomorrow we will have more details on 555 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: this pursuit that has now reached six days. But again 556 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: reporting from the Daily Mail that authorities believe they have 557 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: identified who this individual is. I would suspect that if 558 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: they have identified who this individual is, that they will 559 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: either hopefully soon be announcing that they are getting in 560 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: pursuit and have arrested this guy, or that they will 561 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: be providing that name, more details of what this individual 562 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: looks like, and asking for all of your help to 563 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: hopefully track down who this person is. So again, I 564 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I updated you with all 565 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: of that that is coming down literally in real time 566 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: as this show has been progressing. So that is all 567 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: going on out there. Tomorrow. Let's have some fun. I'm 568 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: gonna put a challenge up, what are the best Christmas movies? 569 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this last night. I've got not 570 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: a ton of work that I have to do tonight 571 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, so I was thinking, 572 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: maybe the Travis family is gonna get together and watch 573 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: a Christmas movie? What is the best Christmas movie in 574 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: the minds of this illustrious and incredible audience. And best 575 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: is in quotation marks right, because first of all, you 576 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: have to define what is a Christmas movie? 577 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: Right? And then you have to. 578 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: Say, well, do you mean an ennobling, incredible feeling of 579 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Christmas gratitude and experience? And you know, you could say, 580 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: for instance, It's a Wonderful Life, which is a more 581 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: serious film? Or are you saying, hey, I just want 582 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: to be entertained. It's really hard to beat Chevy Chase's 583 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: Christmas Vacation. It's really hard to beat a Christmas story, elf. Whatever, 584 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: the movies are out there that are just super entertaining. 585 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: What is your standard? I would tend to go for 586 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: entertaining over larger message. And this is probably going to 587 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: get me as much hate as when I said that 588 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: R and B music was overrated and all of you 589 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: who play the flute, are you made a really poor decision. 590 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm even nervous to say it. I really do like 591 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: the movie Love, Actually. I think it's really well done. 592 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: It's a great Christmas eir movie. I watched it on 593 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: a plane. I had missed it for like twenty years. 594 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: I know it's a romantic comedy, really good Love Actually. 595 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: You guys don't trust me on anything anymore, do you? 596 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: But I want to get your talkbacks. Let's have some 597 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 2: fun with that tomorrow. Home Alone. Tough to beat? Is 598 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: die Harder? Is die hard? 599 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 7: Not? 600 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: A Christmas movie? 601 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: Has been an ongoing debate for the last thirty some 602 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: odd years. Remember it was a Christmas party yet Nakatomi 603 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: Plaza that began the hostage takeover there and what I 604 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: think is probably the best action adventure movie that's ever 605 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: been made, die Hard. It's impossible to sit down and 606 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: not think die Hard is incredible, the first one. All right, 607 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: I love all of you. You are all incredible. Thanks 608 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: for making twenty five so great. Final show of the 609 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: calendar year tomorrow, see y'all. 610 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 7: Than