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Speaker 1: for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Ham and.

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Speaker 3: I'm Carol Marcowitz him. Mary Catherine, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's going okay. I'm excited to come see you later

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Speaker 1: this week on a little now to sunny Florida, which

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Speaker 2: Get here there. No, that's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: No, No, we're gonna definitely lay out in the sun

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Speaker 3: I mean sunscreened. You know, if anybody listening, we're very safe,

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Speaker 3: be great. It's supposed to be a really nice week.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's some chilli morning, so bring a sweatshirt.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be okay with that, but.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's gonna be great. We also got some good

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Speaker 3: news last week about our podcast numbers, and we had

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Speaker 1: We don't do spreadsheets. We just wait for someone to

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Speaker 1: send us an email. But we appreciate all of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: We knew, we know that the normies are legion and

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Speaker 2: So we love it.

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Speaker 3: We love you guys, Thank you for listening. Well, what

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Speaker 3: do we have for the normies this week?

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Speaker 1: Well, as you know, the news is weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, still running the DOGE operations, showed up at

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Well, yes, there is a part of this where

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Speaker 3: And look, this definitely is part of my immigranty kind

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Speaker 3: It's such a mystery to me. Like Dan Ngino is

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Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, I mean, this is it.

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Speaker 2: Well, and again, the juxtaposition of.

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Speaker 3: Actually, Yeah, the journalists being all over this and not

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Speaker 1: All right. On the pop culture front, we have a

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Speaker 1: And in June twenty twenty one, when we were all crazy,

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Speaker 1: They had a season that had an African American bachelor

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Speaker 4: Is that the whole scandal?

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Speaker 1: I am confirming. Yes, adult she was in an antebellum

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Speaker 1: From The Bachelor, Yes, for suggesting that you should not

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about that whole crazy time period. It

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Speaker 3: It was like people who defended them would also get canceled. Ye,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a secondary cancelation of Chris Harrison because

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Speaker 2: Of course you can have.

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Speaker 3: You can't defend the guy who got canceled for defending

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Speaker 3: the first person just.

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Speaker 4: To be it would do that.

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Speaker 1: It's a domino theory, right, you don't want to be

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Speaker 1: part of that.

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Speaker 2: But I think there's annoyance.

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Speaker 1: I think that they took away part of the brand

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Speaker 1: that was very important and essentially went woke and broke,

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Speaker 1: because I know in my friend circles, I had at

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Speaker 1: least two or three girl groups who would get together

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Speaker 1: regularly and watch The Bachelor or a bachelorette, text about

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Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, have little themed parties. None of that happens anymore, right,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know there was a season like two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago sometime recently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just think this has to be it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that really has to be it.

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Speaker 3: It has to be that people are not connecting with

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Speaker 3: the host since then. And and it's interesting because so

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Speaker 3: like another show that has been popular for a long time,

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Speaker 3: Survivor I, we stopped our family stopped watching it because

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Speaker 3: it did get very woke. One season, the host polled people.

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Speaker 3: His key line was come on in Guys, and he

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Speaker 3: said was like, is Guys making anybody uncomfortable? And a

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Speaker 3: trans person in the cast was like, uh no, I'm

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Speaker 3: totally fine with that, and then somebody else two days

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Speaker 3: later said no, no.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I don't like I don't like guys. And so they

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Speaker 3: stopped using Guys, but the whole stayed the same. The

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Speaker 3: ratings kind of stayed high despite the wokeness because people

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Speaker 3: still connected to the show.

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Speaker 4: Nothing had changed. But make a change in host.

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Speaker 3: That kind of thing could really affect a show because

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Speaker 3: people do watch it for the connection.

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Speaker 1: And the familiarity, and the whole cast revolves. Right. So

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Speaker 1: the guy you knew was Chris Harrison and now he's gone,

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Speaker 1: And the interim hosts have not been terrible. Just I

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Speaker 1: believe Jesse Palmer is the most recent one.

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Speaker 2: They're fine, but.

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Speaker 1: I think some of the magic was lost, and it

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Speaker 1: was lost because he declined to cancel Rachel right hard enough.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Rachel and the Bachelor ended up dating

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Speaker 1: for a long period of time, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: how problematic it was.

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Speaker 4: He was fine with the racist I see.

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Speaker 1: Well like And also just one little annoying part about this,

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Speaker 1: he sold her out on live TV at the after

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Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony that season and was like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: because he couldn't get canceled by not canceling her, of course.

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Speaker 2: But it turns out he liked her, right.

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Speaker 1: I think she might have gotten canceled and found out

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Speaker 1: after she was pretty far into the process.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, Well, I hope that they pick up

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Speaker 3: that it's a new era. Maybe they bring back Chris Harrison, and.

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Speaker 2: I mean Chris Harrison will probably be like, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: good man.

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Speaker 3: Right, Maybe pay him a lot now you want me

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Speaker 3: to save you money?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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