WEBVTT - Alec Baldwin "Rust" Shooting With Aphrodite Jones: Part II 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.080 Y'all. Of course we're going to talk about Alec Baldwin 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.160 and some other folks as somebody in law enforcement. This 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:21.560 investigation went on for a year, and here we are 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.079 with twists and turns and things just blowing up there 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.680 at the last minute. So let's talk about miss Reid again. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.800 You already said that it kind of came out in 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.280 trial that she had no care of concern for Miss 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.800 Hutchins who was killed. Well, I will tell you right 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.040 now she also didn't have any care of concern for 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.400 Miss Smith because Miss Smith could have been arrested, Miss 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.640 Smith could have relapsed, and Miss Smith could have gotten 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.479 on a relapsed train that took her life. So again 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.880 she is displaying I have no care about anybody but 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.360 me exactly. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.800 And you know this also goes to so Alec Baldwin 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.000 as an actor, which is what he was being tried as, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.080 has no obligation or or not even obligation. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.280 It is not his role too. Once he's been told 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.160 this is a cold gun, it is not his role 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.680 to check it. If the assistant director, who is the 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.080 supervisor technically to the propmaster and the armorer hands him 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.320 a gun and says cold gun what that means is 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.520 that the armorer has cleared it for the assistant da 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.040 a director rather, and then it's clear the actor would 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.600 not have to test it. It's not now. Baldwin worked 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.040 with guns for forty years. He's a veteran actor. And 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.120 even so, there is no rule in the SAG laws, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.200 you know, to say an actor has to retest or 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.520 re you know, double check what's already been double check. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.120 That's not their job. Their job is to act with 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:03.040 the prop. So number one, he would not have been 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.720 found guilty by a jury. And this as I watched 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.960 the trial before this whole thing about the hiding of 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.160 the evidence came to bear, I'm realizing an opening statements, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.160 there's no case here, not against him as an actor. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.200 Had the judge ruled he tried as both a producer 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.160 and actor, then yes there's a case. Absolutely there's a 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.720 case because he scrimped on everything. And he knew because 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.400 he did an interview with George Stephanopolis after the whole 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.880 incident in which he said, I didn't know that my 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.040 crew weren't being housed overnight. I didn't know that they 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.160 were complaining about unsafe conditions. Had I known that that 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.160 somebody slept in their car. I could have taken money 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.480 out from my salary to make sure things were right. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.520 And that the same interview where he said I didn't 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:52.919 pull the. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.600 Trigger, yep, And so you know, but there you have 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.839 see if I'm prosecutor, I'm pulling that out. And I'm saying, look, 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.840 he knows what his responsibility should be as producer. He's 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.160 putting lives in Jeffary. If you have people work for 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.920 thirteen hours straight and then drive for fifty miles and 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.200 turn around after they sleep a couple hours, and drive 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.280 back and work for another thirteen hours, that's fair, that's safe, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.200 it's not sick. And then whatever nonsense is going on 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.720 around that set plinking with blanks. I don't think it 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.040 was real, Ammo. I think it was blanks. But blanks 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.440 still are violence. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.280 And you know, I'm going to say this, and it 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.680 may not be popular, but if you take your child 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.920 to a public swimming pool and you say, well, there's 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.240 a lifeguard there, so I don't have to watch them, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.760 to me, Alec Baldwin should have at least double checked. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.720 I mean, it's a revolver, you know it would take 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.360 a second. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.960 So here's two things. One thing I had said was 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.200 what I had thinking about this is if he were 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.440 doing a scene that involved a Russian Roulette where you 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.440 had to put that gun to his head, do you 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.920 think he would have just double triple checked it before 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:15.520 he pulled the trigger? Say that again, you know, let's say, Okay, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.000 the scene is, I'm gonna put the gun to my 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.480 head and play Russian Roulette and it's cold. Good, let 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:22.200 me just check. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.640 Uh huh. Well, let's just get really real. If somebody 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.640 told me you're gonna do a love scene with Matthew McConaughey, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.400 I'm gonna shave my legs fourteen times. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:35.400 I'm gonna. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.200 I'm gonna come over and borrow some of your fancy perfume. Yeah, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.520 I mean, I'm gonna get ready. I'm on check, double check, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.960 triple check. I'm gonna be so ready to get naked 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.839 with him. Do you understand the So you're not gonna 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.160 take four days to get your hair done, get your 0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:00.480 makeup done, brush your teeth, shave your legs, etcetera. And 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.279 you can't double check a gun that you're about to 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:04.479 point in another person. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.440 One hundred percent, I hear you, and you know That's 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.159 what I thought and what I still think in terms 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:15.279 of that, but legally according to SAG rules, and so 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.760 people I've argued with people about this and they give 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.159 me their scenario, and so what you can give you 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.440 an alternative scenario that people have brought up, which is 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.760 if you're a surgeon and for forming a procedure, and 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.800 you ask for a scalpel, and you're being handed that 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:35.160 by nurses and technicians who are professionals and whose job 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.559 it is to make sure everything is sterilized, et cetera. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.719 And you use that scalpel and it turns out the 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:45.000 scalpel had some kind of you know, infectious disease on, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.040 it wasn't cleaned right, and you wind up killing your 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.719 patient because of it. Are you guilty of murder? You know? 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.280 Or of chilling someone? I should say, rather, are you guilty? 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.160 Are you at fault for killing that person if in 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.040 fact that happened. So in that scenario, think about that 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:02.679 for a minute. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.120 Cheryl, you're right, But I'm just gonna again come to 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.960 the bottom line of it. Where does the buck stop 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:16.040 if your action intended or otherwise CAUs to death. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.000 It starts with you. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:24.400 So this absolutely at least starts with Alec Baldwin and 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.919 then you work backwards. But I'm saying you picked a 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.920 pistol up no matter what you were told, pointed at 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.839 another person, pulled that trigger, and then lied about that part. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.240 Well, yeah, because he doesn't want to be responsible for 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:39.680 that death. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.559 You're right, he lied exactly because he knows his action 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.880 at least caused it. And I'll be honest with you. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.400 I've said this before on other cases. I have a 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.920 problem with involuntary manslaughter. I think it is horrible that 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.360 you're driving down the road and a tire comes off 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.120 of your car and kills somebody. You didn't intend for 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.000 that to happen. You had no malice, the forethought to 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.440 harm anybody. You didn't set out to kill another person, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.000 and it's going to negatively affect the rest of your life. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.040 I don't think that person needs to go to prison. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.400 But the bottom line is who's responsible for that vehicle? 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.000 They are, and their mechanic and the tire company and 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.920 whoever put the axles together. All I'm saying is it 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.800 goes backwards, but you absolutely start with the person with 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:28.280 the action. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.080 I hear you, and it's interesting to me too. While 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.080 I have Hollywood friends, I have to say I live 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.040 on the East Coast, and you know I lived in 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.520 Hollywood for many years. It's changed quite a bit over 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.280 the years. As we all know, California has gotten, in 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.800 my mind, kind of kooky, very kooky and unsafe in 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.240 many cities. But I do know that my people out 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.760 in California are convinced that he had no absolutely no responsibility. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.200 This wasn't his fault. This is at which one he 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.920 should never have been tried for this, you know, Whereas 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.800 when I first heard it, I thought he should be 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:07.320 tried for secondarymder because I'm thinking second degree murder. I 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.880 did this San Francisco dogmall in case. Did they know 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.640 that those dogs could kill? Well, the jury and the 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.160 great jury decided to charge them with secondary verb and 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.560 they got convicted. The woman Marjorie dellac A convicted of 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:30.800 secondary murder because she knew those dogs were lethal weapons. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.280 Now, I want you to hit on one thing before 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.559 we go any further. Regardless of what somebody thinks about 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.160 Alec Malwin. And I know he's got some diehard fans, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:40.719 and I know he's got some people that don't care 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.239 for him at all. But when you've got a prosecutor 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.679 that hide something, and you've got a judge saying terms 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:53.040 like bad faith and highly prejudicial toward the defendant, that's 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:59.800 scary because if he in fact had no culpability, if 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:05.280 he wasn't guilty, it was not fair that anything was 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.760 left out. And I want to address the two case 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.400 numbers just real quick. If we have a stolen vehicle 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:18.160 and that's given a case number, and then we find 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.240 the vehicle that's a recovered vehicle and could absolutely have 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.040 another case number and should, but then those case numbers 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.320 are attached, so anytime you look up one, you're going 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.520 to see the other. When that was not done here, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.320 I didn't have a problem with it being a second 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.800 case number. I had a problem with that not being attached. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.800 And then them all getting in a room and talking 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.680 about what they weren't going to tell anybody happened. And 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.360 then it's on freaking body cam. I watched the body cam. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:54.560 Unbelievable, Right, sure, it's unbelievable. But now here we have 0:09:54.600 --> 0:10:01.839 a new thing. As of yesterday, Halngutierras and she are 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.520 requiring our requesting that not only does her case get 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.880 an appeal, but that it gets drew dismissed, that it 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:17.200 gets overturned, and that she is let out nap like 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.120 right now. And if they're going to if they're going 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.200 not to overturn it, which they will not. Can't overturn 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.640 a jury verdict, that can that's not gonna happened. But 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.800 they're asking for it. Then won her out for appeal 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.360 and out on you know, out on, be free on board. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.800 Bottom line, baby, if you hit evidence in his case, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:37.959 you hid it in mind to. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.719 Right accept While she may get she may she's going 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.800 to get a new trial, and she may be let 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.480 out because she's not a acent in society while awaiting 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.360 the new trial. But here's the big difference, Cheryl. Her 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.440 job is to make sure that what is the job 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.200 of an ror it is you make sure that every 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.839 single piece of ammo, every bullet, every gun, every anything 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:13.880 that has to do with ammunition is safe, secured, locked 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.240 and checked. And she didn't do it. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.400 And here's the deal. Have you ever watched a pilot 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.080 go through their checklist? 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.760 No, what I can imagine. 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.240 They do it every single time. They'll walk around that plane. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.720 They'll look at the tires, they'll look at the wings, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.440 They do this whole big thing before they ever even 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.520 get in the cockpit. And the deal is, lives are 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.080 at stake. You want to cut corners and not check 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.440 the engine. You want to, you know, not check that 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.199 tire to make sure it ain't going to blow out 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.079 the minute you hit the runway. You have to do 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.920 these things. And you know the folks that take on 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.440 the firearms instructors or the different trainings with firearms, those 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.439 people are next level. They do not get in a hurry. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.199 They will check and recheck and examine and re examine 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.160 at nauseum to the point the rest of us may 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.000 even be making fun of them. But the bottom line 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:14.959 is everybody goes home. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:20.000 Saved, exactly Sheryl. And in this case, this woman who 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.600 again is drinking, is drugging. We have her on text 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.760 admitting I'm just going to smoke tonight and she doesn't 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.120 smoke cigarettes. Right before it happened, they're saying she was 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.280 fuzzy headed the next day. I don't know what she did. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.000 She went and she locked this stuff up before lunch 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.680 and came back and didn't It's just crazy. She is 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.920 liable for the death of this woman. And I think 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.839 she's criminally liable. I don't think because they hid bullets 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.640 that it gets her. It gets away with her because 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.960 the charger with bringing the bullets on. I said, okay, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.679 they're gonna take that charge away, but they still have 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:04.160 the fact that it's her responsibility, her job to make 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.520 sure that everything on that set is safe, and she 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.719 shirked it. But you know, she's there crying thinking her 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.959 lawyers were asking for her to have you know, parole 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.600 and never do a day in jail and let it out. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.600 And the judge threw the book at her only could 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.079 get her eighteen months. I wish you'd gotten more with 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.040 that state. That's what they allow. And now I said, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.640 you're looking Cheryl at maybe she's going to just get 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.400 the whole thing thrown out, like it'll get maybe dismissed, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.079 or she'll getting the trial. And meantime, who knows, I mean, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:33.160 is that way? 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:38.080 You know what? Ephrodding that whole Karen read thing. It 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:43.000 just I don't know. I was so angered by Trooper 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.120 Proctor that I said early on, he's going to blow 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.040 this whole thing up. Not only you can take the 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.640 text messages completely out of it, but you've got a 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.120 lead detective that never went to the crime scene, only 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.000 interviewed three people, made his mind up in sixteen hours, 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.840 never marked where the body was, never measured. It went bad. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.320 So again in this case with Prosecutor Morrissey, she hid evidence. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.600 It's been established, as you have already said so eloquently. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:19.280 So she has not only taken justice off the table 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.320 for the you know, Hutchins family, once she's liable to 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:24.160 do it a second time. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.640 Right, Well, and that's it, you know, you poison the well. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.640 Now the will is poisoned. As the judge said, there 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.080 is no way to rectify this, There is no way 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.280 to go back because now you can't test those bullets. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.200 You can't determine whether or not those bullets matched the 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.360 bullet that was on set. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:43.720 You know. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.640 Hence the argument that handingteers brought bullets on the set 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:52.800 goes away. And then even though she's completely at fault, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:58.960 completely at fault, Cheryl for not having protected that set, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:04.640 that crew and all the actors from the weapons, it 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:10.640 doesn't matter because this mistake or deliberate attempts to frame her, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.880 whatever you want to call it, has now destroyed it. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:15.960 And that's the thing. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.200 When she first got those, and she's looking at that 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:24.600 box of ammunition. She didn't examine every single bullet. She 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.200 herself didn't say, hey, some of these alive, I'm gonna 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.440 go lock them in the trunk of my car. She 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.400 just took everything to the said and just hey, ae 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.280 meenie miney mode, I'm gonna pick these and load this gun. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.360 Well, you know the other thing too, if you noticed 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.520 that when the trial was on for Baldwin, you saw 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.600 that this round of bullets that were put together on 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.440 an evidence slide, and most of them had a brass 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.120 color to them and two had a silver color to them. Okay, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.680 so just think that I'm not an armor, I'm not anybody. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.920 But if I'm looking at bullets, I'm gonna load into 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.160 a gun, right, I'm gonna say, boy, these are different, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.600 like like a battery, Like is this the right one? 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.680 Like that? Or no, doesn't? How is it? And again 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.920 it goes back to she's twenty four years old. She's 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.840 trying to make a name for herself. She thinks she's 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.680 a big shot because her dad's a big shot, and 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.800 she's thrown wielded guns around. She walked into a restaurant 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.080 with a gun the prosecutors after her for all of 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:26.800 the above, triter for the cocaine possession. That charge went 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.600 to the jury of Tambury with evidence that was that 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.480 was was a charge that went to the jury on 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.960 good chairs this case. She was found not guilty, that 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.920 guilty of, you know, a voluntary manslaughter. But that prosecutor 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.880 was going after her every which way she could, and 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.320 I think she should have been going after her every 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.400 which way she could. But she went overboard, she stepped 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.600 over the line and thought she was never going to 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.560 get caught. I mean, it was stunning to me, Cheryl 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:58.040 watching the trial. I'm watching this woman testify, right, and 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.400 I'm thinking to myself, what is she talking about? You 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:06.960 got bullets from a concerned citizen or outside. I was like, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.679 who is this? What are you talking about? 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:09.959 What? 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.760 You know, It's just it was like it was I 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.479 felt like I was in slow motion listening to it, 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.400 Like I couldn't assimilate it, you know, I couldn't consume it, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.440 as you know, because sometimes you're in a horrible situation 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.240 and it's not until afterward that you kind of look 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.720 back and go, oh my god. You know, I could 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.879 have been killed back there or whatever it was, you know, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.239 sliced away from an accident by a millimeter and you 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.520 look at it and you say, Holy John, what just happened? 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.000 I mean, that's how I felt about the fact that 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:45.359 this woman was testifying this CSI saying, you know, I 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.840 lobbed them in. Yeah, he had me a whole bunch 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.919 of bullets. I lobbed them in, and uh, you know, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.239 what'd you log in the house? I just I documented her? 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.120 What does that mean? I document? You know, she's trying 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.119 to walk around it because now she knows she's on 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:00.720 a hot seat. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:02.400 And that's the thing. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:02.679 I mean. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.679 I am a crime scene investigator. I am telling you 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.560 your report must be so clear, and there is no 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.480 one I don't care what their rank is. This is 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.760 going to get me to write something that is not accurate. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:18.280 It's not going to happen. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:19.959 That's why she started a squirre. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.200 Oh yeah, And that's why she couldn't even articulate about 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.639 the case number, because I kept waiting for her just 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.280 to explain it. It's a different case number because this 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.199 happened a different day. This was somebody that brought evidence. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.199 It's a different thing. It's attached to the case but 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.000 everything that would happen would have a different case number. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.800 She never said that, And that's when I started watching 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.439 the judge and I was like, oh lord, this is 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.280 about to go south. And all I could think of 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.000 was true or Proctor, And I'm like, are you telling 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.240 me back to back? We're going to have an ethical 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.000 issue with the side of the commonwealth. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:19:00.199 Or the state. For me. The other thing about all 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.720 this is that we have so many people in this 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.000 country who want to go after law enforcement and want 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.120 to go after our judicial system and say that it's 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.480 no good. I mean, you know the case of Michael Peterson. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.800 You know that there are many people that want to say, 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.520 you know, nobody fell down the stairs, it was an owl. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.480 And you know everybody in the crime world we know 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.760 about this mystical owl. The thing is, there are defense 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.680 attorneys and others who go around the country killing off 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.439 our justice system, talking about it to a point where 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.920 and the media where we start to think our justice 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.920 system is no good, that it's corrupt. Now let me 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.560 wind the clock backs here a minute. What about our 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.080 justice system in comparison to every other justice system in the. 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.720 World, hands down the best ever, not even close. 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.240 We're not chopping people's hands off because they touch something, 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.960 you know, a woman in Arabia or whatever. We're not 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.320 doing that. You know, we're not in China where people 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.000 just shot. We're not in Russia. We're not in Italy 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.159 where they just string someone up without the correct evidence. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.720 Amandon Ox, You know, I wish that we could turn 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.280 the clock back a little bit for us in America 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.720 and understand that there is no better justice system than 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.320 the one we have. Is are there people who are imperfect? Yes? 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.919 Did Alec Baldwin get away? Yes? He did. Is Hannah 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.639 Goucierras going to get away? I guess? Did Michael Peterson 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.280 get away with murder? He sure did because a blood 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:36.000 expert testified in a way that wasn't choose for long 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.399 the stand because he was over zealous. Having said that 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.600 those are anomalies. You and I know this. I've been 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.440 in a criminal course for over thirty years of murder trials. 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.480 Things go by the book, Most law enforcement go by 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.920 the book. Has to bring corruption in the past. We 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.680 know about in Cook County, Chicago, and I've interviewed people 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.480 who are wrongfully imprisoned. Help one get out pay Tyronhood 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.120 who didn't do it. But at the end of the day, 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:07.280 in our current society, for sure, we don't have people 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.840 out there to get someone. We have people who are 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.959 in law enforcement who are trying to keep us safe. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.639 Absolutely, and I can prove it to you because every 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.520 expert that's own TV is shocked and they wouldn't be 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.040 if it was normal. If people will flip a coin, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:25.840 maybe they're going to do the right thing, maybe they're not. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.520 They do the right thing, Yes they do, Yes they do. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.760 When I hear you talk, you remind me of so 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.800 many law enforcement people that I've worked with, a dealt 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.000 with over the years. Who I mean, come on, the 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:45.000 people I work with are absolutely impenetrable in terms of 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.040 their ethics and their way they go about handling a case. 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.840 This is why most of the cases I've dealt with 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.639 are you know, people are found guilty of murder. It 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.800 doesn't get changed, there's no appeal, there's you know, they 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:01.679 gets considered. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.320 Girl, you go on and write a book, the book 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.639 is made into a movie, and still nobody is coming 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.760 forward saying this is and right, this was wrong? 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.879 Right? Yeah, it's it's so cool, you know, And that's 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:15.359 just it. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:15.639 You know. 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:20.520 I mean, we have a justice system in this country 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.200 and a law enforcement service in this country that's better 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.600 than any other in the whole world. And yet we 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.280 want to sit here and general public say they're no good. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.600 The justice system is no good. It's a bunch of garbage. Well, 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:38.280 look at all those people in Boston or Camden, Massachusetts 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.720 screaming and yelled about Karen Read and her innocence. Me 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.280 and friend, well guess what, No, I don't think she 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.159 was and I don't think she's innocent. That's me. 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:53.000 But again, if somebody had done their job properly, there 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.560 may be no question about it exactly. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.000