1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Y'all. Of course we're going to talk about Alec Baldwin 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and some other folks as somebody in law enforcement. This 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: investigation went on for a year, and here we are 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: with twists and turns and things just blowing up there 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: at the last minute. So let's talk about miss Reid again. 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: You already said that it kind of came out in 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: trial that she had no care of concern for Miss 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Hutchins who was killed. Well, I will tell you right 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: now she also didn't have any care of concern for 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Miss Smith because Miss Smith could have been arrested, Miss 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Smith could have relapsed, and Miss Smith could have gotten 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: on a relapsed train that took her life. So again 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: she is displaying I have no care about anybody but 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: me exactly. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: And you know this also goes to so Alec Baldwin 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: as an actor, which is what he was being tried as, 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: has no obligation or or not even obligation. 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: It is not his role too. Once he's been told 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: this is a cold gun, it is not his role 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: to check it. If the assistant director, who is the 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: supervisor technically to the propmaster and the armorer hands him 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 3: a gun and says cold gun what that means is 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: that the armorer has cleared it for the assistant da 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: a director rather, and then it's clear the actor would 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: not have to test it. It's not now. Baldwin worked 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: with guns for forty years. He's a veteran actor. And 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: even so, there is no rule in the SAG laws, 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: you know, to say an actor has to retest or 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: re you know, double check what's already been double check. 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: That's not their job. Their job is to act with 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: the prop. So number one, he would not have been 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: found guilty by a jury. And this as I watched 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: the trial before this whole thing about the hiding of 34 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: the evidence came to bear, I'm realizing an opening statements, 35 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: there's no case here, not against him as an actor. 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: Had the judge ruled he tried as both a producer 37 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: and actor, then yes there's a case. Absolutely there's a 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: case because he scrimped on everything. And he knew because 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: he did an interview with George Stephanopolis after the whole 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: incident in which he said, I didn't know that my 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: crew weren't being housed overnight. I didn't know that they 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: were complaining about unsafe conditions. Had I known that that 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: somebody slept in their car. I could have taken money 44 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: out from my salary to make sure things were right. 45 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: And that the same interview where he said I didn't 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: pull the. 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: Trigger, yep, And so you know, but there you have 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 3: see if I'm prosecutor, I'm pulling that out. And I'm saying, look, 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: he knows what his responsibility should be as producer. He's 50 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: putting lives in Jeffary. If you have people work for 51 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: thirteen hours straight and then drive for fifty miles and 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: turn around after they sleep a couple hours, and drive 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: back and work for another thirteen hours, that's fair, that's safe, 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: it's not sick. And then whatever nonsense is going on 55 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: around that set plinking with blanks. I don't think it 56 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: was real, Ammo. I think it was blanks. But blanks 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: still are violence. 58 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm going to say this, and it 59 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: may not be popular, but if you take your child 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: to a public swimming pool and you say, well, there's 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: a lifeguard there, so I don't have to watch them, 62 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: to me, Alec Baldwin should have at least double checked. 63 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a revolver, you know it would take 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: a second. 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: So here's two things. One thing I had said was 66 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: what I had thinking about this is if he were 67 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: doing a scene that involved a Russian Roulette where you 68 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: had to put that gun to his head, do you 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: think he would have just double triple checked it before 70 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: he pulled the trigger? Say that again, you know, let's say, Okay, 71 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: the scene is, I'm gonna put the gun to my 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: head and play Russian Roulette and it's cold. Good, let 73 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: me just check. 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Well, let's just get really real. If somebody 75 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: told me you're gonna do a love scene with Matthew McConaughey, 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shave my legs fourteen times. 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna. 78 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come over and borrow some of your fancy perfume. Yeah, 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna get ready. I'm on check, double check, 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: triple check. I'm gonna be so ready to get naked 81 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: with him. Do you understand the So you're not gonna 82 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: take four days to get your hair done, get your 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: makeup done, brush your teeth, shave your legs, etcetera. And 84 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: you can't double check a gun that you're about to 85 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: point in another person. 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: One hundred percent, I hear you, and you know That's 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: what I thought and what I still think in terms 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: of that, but legally according to SAG rules, and so 89 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: people I've argued with people about this and they give 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: me their scenario, and so what you can give you 91 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: an alternative scenario that people have brought up, which is 92 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: if you're a surgeon and for forming a procedure, and 93 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: you ask for a scalpel, and you're being handed that 94 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: by nurses and technicians who are professionals and whose job 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 3: it is to make sure everything is sterilized, et cetera. 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: And you use that scalpel and it turns out the 97 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: scalpel had some kind of you know, infectious disease on, 98 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: it wasn't cleaned right, and you wind up killing your 99 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 3: patient because of it. Are you guilty of murder? You know? 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: Or of chilling someone? I should say, rather, are you guilty? 101 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: Are you at fault for killing that person if in 102 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: fact that happened. So in that scenario, think about that 103 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 3: for a minute. 104 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Cheryl, you're right, But I'm just gonna again come to 105 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: the bottom line of it. Where does the buck stop 106 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: if your action intended or otherwise CAUs to death. 107 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: It starts with you. 108 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: So this absolutely at least starts with Alec Baldwin and 109 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: then you work backwards. But I'm saying you picked a 110 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: pistol up no matter what you were told, pointed at 111 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: another person, pulled that trigger, and then lied about that part. 112 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because he doesn't want to be responsible for 113 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: that death. 114 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: You're right, he lied exactly because he knows his action 115 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: at least caused it. And I'll be honest with you. 116 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: I've said this before on other cases. I have a 117 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: problem with involuntary manslaughter. I think it is horrible that 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: you're driving down the road and a tire comes off 119 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: of your car and kills somebody. You didn't intend for 120 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: that to happen. You had no malice, the forethought to 121 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: harm anybody. You didn't set out to kill another person, 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: and it's going to negatively affect the rest of your life. 123 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that person needs to go to prison. 124 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is who's responsible for that vehicle? 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: They are, and their mechanic and the tire company and 126 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: whoever put the axles together. All I'm saying is it 127 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: goes backwards, but you absolutely start with the person with 128 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: the action. 129 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: I hear you, and it's interesting to me too. While 130 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: I have Hollywood friends, I have to say I live 131 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: on the East Coast, and you know I lived in 132 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: Hollywood for many years. It's changed quite a bit over 133 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: the years. As we all know, California has gotten, in 134 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: my mind, kind of kooky, very kooky and unsafe in 135 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: many cities. But I do know that my people out 136 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: in California are convinced that he had no absolutely no responsibility. 137 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: This wasn't his fault. This is at which one he 138 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: should never have been tried for this, you know, Whereas 139 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: when I first heard it, I thought he should be 140 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: tried for secondarymder because I'm thinking second degree murder. I 141 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: did this San Francisco dogmall in case. Did they know 142 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: that those dogs could kill? Well, the jury and the 143 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: great jury decided to charge them with secondary verb and 144 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: they got convicted. The woman Marjorie dellac A convicted of 145 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: secondary murder because she knew those dogs were lethal weapons. 146 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Now, I want you to hit on one thing before 147 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: we go any further. Regardless of what somebody thinks about 148 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: Alec Malwin. And I know he's got some diehard fans, 149 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: and I know he's got some people that don't care 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,239 Speaker 1: for him at all. But when you've got a prosecutor 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: that hide something, and you've got a judge saying terms 152 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: like bad faith and highly prejudicial toward the defendant, that's 153 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: scary because if he in fact had no culpability, if 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: he wasn't guilty, it was not fair that anything was 155 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: left out. And I want to address the two case 156 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: numbers just real quick. If we have a stolen vehicle 157 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: and that's given a case number, and then we find 158 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: the vehicle that's a recovered vehicle and could absolutely have 159 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: another case number and should, but then those case numbers 160 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: are attached, so anytime you look up one, you're going 161 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to see the other. When that was not done here, 162 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with it being a second 163 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: case number. I had a problem with that not being attached. 164 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: And then them all getting in a room and talking 165 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: about what they weren't going to tell anybody happened. And 166 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: then it's on freaking body cam. I watched the body cam. 167 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 3: Unbelievable, Right, sure, it's unbelievable. But now here we have 168 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 3: a new thing. As of yesterday, Halngutierras and she are 169 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: requiring our requesting that not only does her case get 170 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: an appeal, but that it gets drew dismissed, that it 171 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: gets overturned, and that she is let out nap like 172 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: right now. And if they're going to if they're going 173 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: not to overturn it, which they will not. Can't overturn 174 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: a jury verdict, that can that's not gonna happened. But 175 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: they're asking for it. Then won her out for appeal 176 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: and out on you know, out on, be free on board. 177 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: Bottom line, baby, if you hit evidence in his case, 178 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: you hid it in mind to. 179 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 3: Right accept While she may get she may she's going 180 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: to get a new trial, and she may be let 181 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: out because she's not a acent in society while awaiting 182 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: the new trial. But here's the big difference, Cheryl. Her 183 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: job is to make sure that what is the job 184 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: of an ror it is you make sure that every 185 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 3: single piece of ammo, every bullet, every gun, every anything 186 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: that has to do with ammunition is safe, secured, locked 187 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: and checked. And she didn't do it. 188 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: And here's the deal. Have you ever watched a pilot 189 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: go through their checklist? 190 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: No, what I can imagine. 191 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: They do it every single time. They'll walk around that plane. 192 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: They'll look at the tires, they'll look at the wings, 193 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: They do this whole big thing before they ever even 194 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: get in the cockpit. And the deal is, lives are 195 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: at stake. You want to cut corners and not check 196 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: the engine. You want to, you know, not check that 197 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: tire to make sure it ain't going to blow out 198 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: the minute you hit the runway. You have to do 199 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: these things. And you know the folks that take on 200 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: the firearms instructors or the different trainings with firearms, those 201 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: people are next level. They do not get in a hurry. 202 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: They will check and recheck and examine and re examine 203 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: at nauseum to the point the rest of us may 204 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: even be making fun of them. But the bottom line 205 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: is everybody goes home. 206 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: Saved, exactly Sheryl. And in this case, this woman who 207 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: again is drinking, is drugging. We have her on text 208 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: admitting I'm just going to smoke tonight and she doesn't 209 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: smoke cigarettes. Right before it happened, they're saying she was 210 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: fuzzy headed the next day. I don't know what she did. 211 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: She went and she locked this stuff up before lunch 212 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 3: and came back and didn't It's just crazy. She is 213 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: liable for the death of this woman. And I think 214 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 3: she's criminally liable. I don't think because they hid bullets 215 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: that it gets her. It gets away with her because 216 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: the charger with bringing the bullets on. I said, okay, 217 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: they're gonna take that charge away, but they still have 218 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: the fact that it's her responsibility, her job to make 219 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: sure that everything on that set is safe, and she 220 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 3: shirked it. But you know, she's there crying thinking her 221 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 3: lawyers were asking for her to have you know, parole 222 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: and never do a day in jail and let it out. 223 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: And the judge threw the book at her only could 224 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 3: get her eighteen months. I wish you'd gotten more with 225 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: that state. That's what they allow. And now I said, 226 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: you're looking Cheryl at maybe she's going to just get 227 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: the whole thing thrown out, like it'll get maybe dismissed, 228 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: or she'll getting the trial. And meantime, who knows, I mean, 229 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: is that way? 230 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: You know what? Ephrodding that whole Karen read thing. It 231 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I was so angered by Trooper 232 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Proctor that I said early on, he's going to blow 233 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: this whole thing up. Not only you can take the 234 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: text messages completely out of it, but you've got a 235 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: lead detective that never went to the crime scene, only 236 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: interviewed three people, made his mind up in sixteen hours, 237 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: never marked where the body was, never measured. It went bad. 238 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: So again in this case with Prosecutor Morrissey, she hid evidence. 239 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: It's been established, as you have already said so eloquently. 240 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: So she has not only taken justice off the table 241 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: for the you know, Hutchins family, once she's liable to 242 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: do it a second time. 243 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: Right, Well, and that's it, you know, you poison the well. 244 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: Now the will is poisoned. As the judge said, there 245 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: is no way to rectify this, There is no way 246 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: to go back because now you can't test those bullets. 247 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: You can't determine whether or not those bullets matched the 248 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: bullet that was on set. 249 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: You know. 250 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: Hence the argument that handingteers brought bullets on the set 251 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: goes away. And then even though she's completely at fault, 252 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: completely at fault, Cheryl for not having protected that set, 253 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: that crew and all the actors from the weapons, it 254 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: doesn't matter because this mistake or deliberate attempts to frame her, 255 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, has now destroyed it. 256 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: And that's the thing. 257 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: When she first got those, and she's looking at that 258 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: box of ammunition. She didn't examine every single bullet. She 259 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: herself didn't say, hey, some of these alive, I'm gonna 260 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: go lock them in the trunk of my car. She 261 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: just took everything to the said and just hey, ae 262 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: meenie miney mode, I'm gonna pick these and load this gun. 263 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: Well, you know the other thing too, if you noticed 264 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: that when the trial was on for Baldwin, you saw 265 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: that this round of bullets that were put together on 266 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: an evidence slide, and most of them had a brass 267 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: color to them and two had a silver color to them. Okay, 268 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: so just think that I'm not an armor, I'm not anybody. 269 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: But if I'm looking at bullets, I'm gonna load into 270 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: a gun, right, I'm gonna say, boy, these are different, 271 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: like like a battery, Like is this the right one? 272 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: Like that? Or no, doesn't? How is it? And again 273 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: it goes back to she's twenty four years old. She's 274 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: trying to make a name for herself. She thinks she's 275 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: a big shot because her dad's a big shot, and 276 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: she's thrown wielded guns around. She walked into a restaurant 277 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: with a gun the prosecutors after her for all of 278 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: the above, triter for the cocaine possession. That charge went 279 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: to the jury of Tambury with evidence that was that 280 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: was was a charge that went to the jury on 281 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: good chairs this case. She was found not guilty, that 282 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: guilty of, you know, a voluntary manslaughter. But that prosecutor 283 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: was going after her every which way she could, and 284 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: I think she should have been going after her every 285 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: which way she could. But she went overboard, she stepped 286 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: over the line and thought she was never going to 287 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: get caught. I mean, it was stunning to me, Cheryl 288 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: watching the trial. I'm watching this woman testify, right, and 289 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, what is she talking about? You 290 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: got bullets from a concerned citizen or outside. I was like, 291 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 3: who is this? What are you talking about? 292 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: What? 293 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: You know, It's just it was like it was I 294 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 3: felt like I was in slow motion listening to it, 295 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: Like I couldn't assimilate it, you know, I couldn't consume it, 296 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: as you know, because sometimes you're in a horrible situation 297 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: and it's not until afterward that you kind of look 298 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: back and go, oh my god. You know, I could 299 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 3: have been killed back there or whatever it was, you know, 300 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 3: sliced away from an accident by a millimeter and you 301 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: look at it and you say, Holy John, what just happened? 302 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: I mean, that's how I felt about the fact that 303 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: this woman was testifying this CSI saying, you know, I 304 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: lobbed them in. Yeah, he had me a whole bunch 305 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: of bullets. I lobbed them in, and uh, you know, 306 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 3: what'd you log in the house? I just I documented her? 307 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: What does that mean? I document? You know, she's trying 308 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: to walk around it because now she knows she's on 309 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: a hot seat. 310 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. 311 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: I mean. 312 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: I am a crime scene investigator. I am telling you 313 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: your report must be so clear, and there is no 314 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: one I don't care what their rank is. This is 315 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: going to get me to write something that is not accurate. 316 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. 317 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 3: That's why she started a squirre. 318 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And that's why she couldn't even articulate about 319 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: the case number, because I kept waiting for her just 320 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: to explain it. It's a different case number because this 321 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: happened a different day. This was somebody that brought evidence. 322 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: It's a different thing. It's attached to the case but 323 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: everything that would happen would have a different case number. 324 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: She never said that, And that's when I started watching 325 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: the judge and I was like, oh lord, this is 326 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: about to go south. And all I could think of 327 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: was true or Proctor, And I'm like, are you telling 328 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: me back to back? We're going to have an ethical 329 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: issue with the side of the commonwealth. 330 00:18:53,400 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: Or the state. For me. The other thing about all 331 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: this is that we have so many people in this 332 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: country who want to go after law enforcement and want 333 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 3: to go after our judicial system and say that it's 334 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: no good. I mean, you know the case of Michael Peterson. 335 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: You know that there are many people that want to say, 336 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, nobody fell down the stairs, it was an owl. 337 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: And you know everybody in the crime world we know 338 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: about this mystical owl. The thing is, there are defense 339 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: attorneys and others who go around the country killing off 340 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 3: our justice system, talking about it to a point where 341 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: and the media where we start to think our justice 342 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: system is no good, that it's corrupt. Now let me 343 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: wind the clock backs here a minute. What about our 344 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: justice system in comparison to every other justice system in the. 345 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: World, hands down the best ever, not even close. 346 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: We're not chopping people's hands off because they touch something, 347 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: you know, a woman in Arabia or whatever. We're not 348 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: doing that. You know, we're not in China where people 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: just shot. We're not in Russia. We're not in Italy 350 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: where they just string someone up without the correct evidence. 351 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: Amandon Ox, You know, I wish that we could turn 352 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: the clock back a little bit for us in America 353 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: and understand that there is no better justice system than 354 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: the one we have. Is are there people who are imperfect? Yes? 355 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: Did Alec Baldwin get away? Yes? He did. Is Hannah 356 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: Goucierras going to get away? I guess? Did Michael Peterson 357 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: get away with murder? He sure did because a blood 358 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: expert testified in a way that wasn't choose for long 359 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: the stand because he was over zealous. Having said that 360 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: those are anomalies. You and I know this. I've been 361 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 3: in a criminal course for over thirty years of murder trials. 362 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: Things go by the book, Most law enforcement go by 363 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: the book. Has to bring corruption in the past. We 364 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: know about in Cook County, Chicago, and I've interviewed people 365 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: who are wrongfully imprisoned. Help one get out pay Tyronhood 366 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 3: who didn't do it. But at the end of the day, 367 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: in our current society, for sure, we don't have people 368 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: out there to get someone. We have people who are 369 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 3: in law enforcement who are trying to keep us safe. 370 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I can prove it to you because every 371 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: expert that's own TV is shocked and they wouldn't be 372 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: if it was normal. If people will flip a coin, 373 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe they're going to do the right thing, maybe they're not. 374 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: They do the right thing, Yes they do, Yes they do. 375 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: When I hear you talk, you remind me of so 376 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: many law enforcement people that I've worked with, a dealt 377 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: with over the years. Who I mean, come on, the 378 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: people I work with are absolutely impenetrable in terms of 379 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: their ethics and their way they go about handling a case. 380 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: This is why most of the cases I've dealt with 381 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: are you know, people are found guilty of murder. It 382 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: doesn't get changed, there's no appeal, there's you know, they 383 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 3: gets considered. 384 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: Girl, you go on and write a book, the book 385 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: is made into a movie, and still nobody is coming 386 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: forward saying this is and right, this was wrong? 387 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, it's it's so cool, you know, And that's 388 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: just it. 389 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: You know. 390 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: I mean, we have a justice system in this country 391 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: and a law enforcement service in this country that's better 392 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: than any other in the whole world. And yet we 393 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: want to sit here and general public say they're no good. 394 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: The justice system is no good. It's a bunch of garbage. Well, 395 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: look at all those people in Boston or Camden, Massachusetts 396 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: screaming and yelled about Karen Read and her innocence. Me 397 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: and friend, well guess what, No, I don't think she 398 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 3: was and I don't think she's innocent. That's me. 399 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: But again, if somebody had done their job properly, there 400 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: may be no question about it exactly. 401 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: Well, there you have it. That's the problem there. And 402 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: so that's allow those people to then whip themselves up 403 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: into a frenzy and start bad melting the law, the 404 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: justice system. There's bad apples share. My first book is 405 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: called The FBI Chiller. It was about an FBI agent 406 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: who killed his informant. He murdered her because she was 407 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: pregnant and she was threatening to show her her positive 408 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: pregnancy tests to the wife because she was this mistress 409 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: and girl. 410 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: That's a good book too, honey, thank you. 411 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: You know that was needed to a movie with Patricihark 412 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: kept playing susant Dannis with But the point of it 413 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: is is that is there a rogue FBI agent is 414 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: this Yeah, he's the only one before and since that's 415 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: ever done, anything like that doesn't happen. It happens, but 416 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: it's not the norm. It's the exception. 417 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Well stated. Now, I'm gonna let you go, but before 418 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I do, I want us to talk about something exciting. 419 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: The week that this airs, the Wednesday that this episode drops, y'all, 420 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: from Wednesday to Friday, We're going to let people enter 421 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: a contest to win a book from Aphrodite Jones. She 422 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: mailed them to me herself, Levi's Eyes. So I've got 423 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: three copies, so there's going to be three winners. And 424 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: I just want to again tell you thank you so 425 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: much for being with us tonight. Thank you for being 426 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: so gracious and generous to get books to people, because Honie, 427 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: they're going to register to win them things. 428 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: I hope so. And Cheryl, it's always a pleasure to 429 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: talk with you. I must say, every time I talk 430 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 3: with you, I learn more and more about the law, 431 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: about the way you've been raised. And I have to say, 432 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: I really, really admire your work, ethic, your work, and 433 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: everything that you do. I think you're just tremendous. 434 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate that so much, y'all. I'm going to end 435 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: Zone seven the way that I always do, with a vote. 436 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon. 437 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: But for you, miss Hutchins would be alive, a husband 438 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: would have his partner, and a little boy would have 439 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: his mother. Judge Mary Marlowe Summer. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and 440 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: this is his own seven