Speaker 1: It's just it's like thirst trap kind of content a
Speaker 1: thirst trap at Violet right now.
Speaker 2: This is just I'm trying to explain it to people.
Speaker 3: We embrace it. Yeah, Look, we're eighteen and over. We
Speaker 3: can be a little edgy and risque, so why not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, because what I just looked at, I mean,
Speaker 1: you look hot your ais ai.
Speaker 3: It's definitely like yeah, I mean you're a I see
Speaker 3: other people's ayes. I'm just like, wow, it's so good.
Speaker 3: But it's not that that doesn't look like them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just this kind of like a bit more polished, like,
Speaker 3: oh what I look like when I, you know, do
Speaker 3: my hair and wear makeup for me?
Speaker 2: It is like before kids, you know, before having a child.
Speaker 1: I'm Lori Siegel and you're listening to Mostly Human, a
Speaker 1: tech podcast through a human lens. Amy. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to have you here and like full disclosure, we are friends, yes,
Speaker 1: And how we became friends is we met at? Was
Speaker 1: it it was in Lisbon right at a tech conference?
Speaker 2: Was it? Actually?
Speaker 4: I think it might have been in London. Yes.
Speaker 1: I feel like you are my person at tech confervents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where I always need a safe space and someone in
Speaker 1: a corner who can like be like a breath of
Speaker 1: fresh air with all the tech bros. And honestly, that
Speaker 1: is you, And I feel like it kind of says
Speaker 1: something about you.
Speaker 3: That's very sweet. I appreciate that. I feel the same
Speaker 3: way where you just have this kind of like I
Speaker 3: feel like we just met and just immediately clicked as friends.
Speaker 3: And I mean, your background is also fascinating. So we
Speaker 3: just had a lot to chat about when it came
Speaker 3: to just the tech world in general.
Speaker 1: Will you go into these tech circles and oftentimes, not
Speaker 1: to be cliche, it's just like all dudes talking about
Speaker 1: dude things and not really the human way into things
Speaker 1: or and we initially always just had interesting conversations about
Speaker 1: the state of technology, about all the things kind of happening,
Speaker 1: and it always just felt a little bit different. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you here, especially we've been doing
Speaker 1: so much, so much dark stuff artificial intelligence and what
Speaker 1: happens when you lose consent online and how AI can
Speaker 1: be misused and so to think about how it can
Speaker 1: actually be used to benefit and how we can have
Speaker 1: more ownership. Seems like you're like our perfect guest for this.
Speaker 1: Thank you so Okay, So you have such an interesting background,
Speaker 1: which we're going to get into, but I want to
Speaker 1: just start to talk by talking about Violet.
Speaker 2: This is your new venture.
Speaker 1: I know you're kind of the tagline for it is
Speaker 1: it's like the HBO of social media.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Violet I co founded with my business partner,
Speaker 3: Kaylee Magder. We've been working on it. Honestly since twenty
Speaker 3: end of twenty four, twenty twenty five. It was our
Speaker 3: full time venture when we raised money, did the whole thing,
Speaker 3: and then we just launched in April of this year.
Speaker 4: And Violet's an.
Speaker 3: Eighteen and over platform where anyone can monetize content and
Speaker 3: build a community. We really took the best part of
Speaker 3: social media and create platforms and put them into one
Speaker 3: new experience. So, you know, I grew up, you know,
Speaker 3: to date myself a little bit in like the MySpace
Speaker 3: era where social media was much more social and fun,
Speaker 3: and as did my business partner, and as we were
Speaker 3: kind of like ideating like, oh, should we do something
Speaker 3: in this space? You know, it really came down to
Speaker 3: our own frustrations with you know, how the current state
Speaker 3: of social media is meaning it.
Speaker 4: To a lot of doom scrolling.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of seeing content that you know, miners
Speaker 3: shouldn't see or even we shouldn't see that. You know,
Speaker 3: we don't know what's going to always be shown to us.
Speaker 3: And you know, we wanted something fun. We wanted to
Speaker 3: like see content from people we care about. We wanted
Speaker 3: to you know, have that you know, surprise and delight
Speaker 3: of discovery back into social media. We're eighteen and over,
Speaker 3: so we do allow for topless content. So that's where
Speaker 3: we've been dubbed, you know, the h social media.
Speaker 4: But there's nothing fully new, there's nothing explicit.
Speaker 3: You know, we take the stance that social media, especially
Speaker 3: when monetizations involved, should be for adults.
Speaker 1: I love that you just mentioned MySpace, and I'm also
Speaker 1: I guess going to date myself because I loved MySpace.
Speaker 1: I was like the girl that like wrote poems on
Speaker 1: MySpace and of course like Emo Laurie like I had.
Speaker 4: I just it was.
Speaker 2: Such a cool community.
Speaker 1: But it's actually MySpace predated Facebook and all. Just like
Speaker 1: it was really kind of how we grew up with
Speaker 1: social media. It felt really different when I first got
Speaker 1: into social media. It just felt like this was really
Speaker 1: interesting and it was cool and it brought you closer
Speaker 1: with your friends, and it felt like a little bit
Speaker 1: punk rock. It just felt like a different time and
Speaker 1: that was like, God, I feel so old saying this,
Speaker 1: but this was like fifteen, almost like twenty, like.
Speaker 4: Early two thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, things were so different then. Online you had these
Speaker 3: platforms just emerging before they've what you know, before what
Speaker 3: they've evolved into now, which no one at the time,
Speaker 3: what have ever guessed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you growing up? What was your like gateway
Speaker 1: into tech? Was it MySpace?
Speaker 2: Like now you're like a tech CEO now, So growing up.
Speaker 1: Was there something that was like your gateway? I guess
Speaker 1: mine was like a TAMAGATCHI does that?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Nintendo sixty four, Okay, maybe no,
Speaker 3: it's super Nintendo.
Speaker 4: Really date myself, like.
Speaker 3: You know, I just grew up on you know, different
Speaker 3: video games, a game Boy.
Speaker 4: I had an Original Game Boy.
Speaker 3: I think there's something about new technology that I've always
Speaker 3: just naturally gravitated towards.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same.
Speaker 1: I remember in college it was like I was one
Speaker 1: of the first to get an iPhone and people are like,
Speaker 1: that's so weird, what is that? And God, again, I
Speaker 1: just feel like I'm like an old person talking to
Speaker 1: someone at this moment, but like, but it was, there's
Speaker 1: something about kind of new technology and something about you
Speaker 1: that I've always thought was really interesting. And I know
Speaker 1: this as your friend, but also as I was looking
Speaker 1: through your history and really understanding it is like you
Speaker 1: you are an edge person too, Like you like the
Speaker 1: edges before they become the center. You before Violet, you
Speaker 1: were the CEO of OnlyFans, so adult content. This kind
Speaker 1: of felt like it was a bit on the edges.
Speaker 1: Before that, it was cannabis. You were opening up a
Speaker 1: cannabis cafe in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Things that you know might be hard to explain to
Speaker 2: mom and dad.
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 2: What is it about the edges that interest you?
Speaker 3: Well, you say edge, I say forefront. You know, being
Speaker 3: on the forefront, that's new, what's interesting. You know, I
Speaker 3: kind of naturally gravitate towards what's up and coming, what
Speaker 3: might be considered a little bit taboo before it hits
Speaker 3: much more of mainstream culture.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I I'm not sure where that comes from in terms of
Speaker 3: if it's probably just a natural interest curiosity. Professionally, I've
Speaker 3: worked in a range of industries from fashion, CpG, tech,
Speaker 3: and the common thread throughout everything is really just like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's new, what's up and coming. I think there's something
Speaker 3: very exciting about that and also having that kind of
Speaker 3: eye or insight into what could that potentially be. And
Speaker 3: while it's controversial to others it, you know, fast forward
Speaker 3: a few years, it's much more mainstream and loses a
Speaker 3: bit of that stigma to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And so going back, you were born
Speaker 1: in Mumbai, you were raised in Virginia.
Speaker 2: An only child, I am an holy child. Your parents
Speaker 2: are immigrants.
Speaker 1: I'm curious did their journey impact your career aspirations at all.
Speaker 3: So, actually, I don't think I've talked about this publicly,
Speaker 3: but I'm adopted from India. My father's Indiana and my
Speaker 3: mom's American. But just grown up, I've obviously very pronounced
Speaker 3: I like to say la accent. But you know, I
Speaker 3: think having parents from a different background, and also, you know,
Speaker 3: most places is that I've lived like, there's not a
Speaker 3: ton of diversity. Yeah, you know, so I think that
Speaker 3: starts to shape your outlook.
Speaker 4: On how you see things.
Speaker 3: And now even in my adult life, I find like, oh,
Speaker 3: I have so many more South Asian friends than I
Speaker 3: ever did growing up, because there just weren't, you know,
Speaker 3: various different types of people around.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean especially it's so funny because I think
Speaker 1: so many journalists, when you're like looking at this, call
Speaker 1: your background as a taxio non traditional because it seems
Speaker 1: as though, like so many of the people we see
Speaker 1: in these roles in technology feel a little bit similar
Speaker 1: or have similar backgrounds. But I do find it's really
Speaker 1: interesting when you meet people who grew up in places
Speaker 1: where they might not have felt like they always fit
Speaker 1: or it felt like there was something that was always
Speaker 1: the same. I remember growing up the only Jewish girl
Speaker 1: a very Christian, conservative.
Speaker 2: Southern school where there was a lack of diversity.
Speaker 1: My whole career has been spent saying, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: we get more people involved, or that perspective is so
Speaker 1: much more interesting, or that it feels like it's like
Speaker 1: a frustration that actually ended up being a fuel to
Speaker 1: some degree for you.
Speaker 4: I completely agree.
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember when I was turning thirteen and
Speaker 3: my birthday of party was a whole party, and I
Speaker 3: lived in a you know, very predominantly Jewish area and
Speaker 3: went to nothing but bar batmans, was every weekend.
Speaker 4: I was like, my birthday really stucks.
Speaker 2: That's really funny.
Speaker 1: Well I grew up where no one had gone to
Speaker 1: a bar movements, Well I was the only bat mits.
Speaker 1: When they came to they had no idea what it was.
Speaker 1: So that's that's really interesting, Okay.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: You end up you tell me, let's start with a
Speaker 1: cannabis cafe.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So before joining only Fans, you helped launch one of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles's first cannabis cafes. I mean, this is post legalization,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure at the time the camp this industry
Speaker 1: was heavily regulated. This probably wasn't the easiest of things.
Speaker 1: What did you learn from that experience? How'd you get
Speaker 1: into that?
Speaker 3: So I got into it working for with a and
Speaker 3: in the sector, and they were opening a establishment in
Speaker 3: West Hollywood which was very friendly to cannabis overall. And
Speaker 3: this was like twenty eighteen twenty nineteen at the time,
Speaker 3: so you know, there were dispensaries all over LA the
Speaker 3: way that you see liquor stores a lot of places.
Speaker 4: In the US.
Speaker 3: So you know, there were tons of these kind of
Speaker 3: like cool brands popping up. And also to give context
Speaker 3: my background, I worked with Red Bull before being in cannabis.
Speaker 3: That's kind of again like a little edgy being on
Speaker 3: the forefront. And with that business there's a lot of
Speaker 3: regulation you must be twenty one to consume. Also a
Speaker 3: lot of misconceptions like what where you know, people think like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is you know, is gonna cause to have a
Speaker 3: lot of like bad actors around, or you know, there's
Speaker 3: you know, a certain reputation with you know, we all
Speaker 3: grew up with movies about the stoner in high school.
Speaker 3: But really there's tons of people where whether it's a
Speaker 3: medicinal value, recreation, provide some sort of you know, just
Speaker 3: like anxiety relief, Like people are consuming it all the time,
Speaker 3: like you've all been to concerts, Like it's not it's
Speaker 3: not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I imagine opening this cafe.
Speaker 2: What did you learn?
Speaker 1: What did you learn about about the industry, What did
Speaker 1: you learn about people?
Speaker 3: We're all really similar and I will say, you know,
Speaker 3: there was something special about that place.
Speaker 4: It's no longer around.
Speaker 3: It shut down during COVID can't have in person establishments,
Speaker 3: even though cannabis was an essential business at the time,
Speaker 3: But there is something special where you're seeing especially in
Speaker 3: West Hollywood, a lot of people know it, you know
Speaker 3: for being you know, such a leader in the gay
Speaker 3: culture and community. But there's also a lot of elderly
Speaker 3: people there and they didn't have anywhere to go. So
Speaker 3: you'd have these locals come over and just you know,
Speaker 3: want to sit have a coffee and a joint. But
Speaker 3: then they'd be sitting next to like a rapper and like.
Speaker 4: Like and like you know, iced out chains.
Speaker 3: But it's just there's something about this, like really unique
Speaker 3: diversity that you don't see everywhere. And I was leading
Speaker 3: marketing for the business at the time, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was covered on the Family Friendly Today show, which
Speaker 3: you know could be considered taboo, but really you're just
Speaker 3: looking at something like, you know, anyone that's older they
Speaker 3: probably were teenagers in the seventies, so it was everywhere.
Speaker 3: So there's something about this, you know, the education of
Speaker 3: how this product is beneficial for a range of people,
Speaker 3: and just again breaking down that misconception of like, O,
Speaker 3: who's actually using this? And you know, when something's regulated,
Speaker 3: there's you know, good ways it can be used.
Speaker 1: I did see some funny little tidbit about how did
Speaker 1: you guys have to like train the waiters to help
Speaker 1: manage any spiraling customers or something.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a huge tricks so someone gets too hot.
Speaker 3: Although it's funny is people think that I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: just reputationally as someone who's been in vice industries.
Speaker 4: It's like party girl. So like they're like, oh, like
Speaker 4: you probably smoke, you do all this stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I am the most boring person.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're interesting. Let's talk about OnlyFans. You
Speaker 1: join in twenty twenty as the head of marketing. What
Speaker 1: a year to join OnlyFans.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So I joined as CMO of the business.
Speaker 3: I was based in Los Angeles at the time. Entered
Speaker 3: the company through a mutual friend of the owner, and
Speaker 3: you know, had this real vision of how it's a
Speaker 3: disruptor in entertainment, owning your IP the creator economy, brought
Speaker 3: in a lot of vernacular that wasn't being used at
Speaker 3: the time. Also brought in a lot of relationships and
Speaker 3: new ideas to help, you know, drive the business in
Speaker 3: a direction that they weren't necessarily thinking of at that
Speaker 3: time and.
Speaker 1: Describe what OnlyFans was at the time kind of before
Speaker 1: you kind of got in then and then how that evolved.
Speaker 3: So, like everyone, we kind of were seeing it on
Speaker 3: social media. You saw some girls in bikini sharing like oh,
Speaker 3: follow me here, subscribe to me here, And I was
Speaker 3: just like everyone else, like this looks what is this?
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, you know, as someone who likes to be
Speaker 3: on the edge or the forefront, I'm naturally just curious
Speaker 3: about a new platform.
Speaker 4: So I'm immediately intrigued.
Speaker 3: And you know, it had obviously had the reputation and
Speaker 3: continues to do so for spicy content. But I really
Speaker 3: saw it as being like, oh, this is a true
Speaker 3: disruptor in like creator economy, influencer and how people can
Speaker 3: actually own their ip.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did in want interview.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty was the year the influencer became the creator.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about that.
Speaker 3: So that's where, Look, we all have phones, we all
Speaker 3: really were all creators. We're all entrepreneurs. Everyone's a multi
Speaker 3: hyphe in it. But at that point it's like influencers
Speaker 3: were at home. Everyone was at home. You're just consuming content,
Speaker 3: whether it was on you know, Twitch, YouTube, only fan
Speaker 3: and any social platform. Everyone's just hungry for content, hungry
Speaker 3: for consumption. So that's where there is this uptick, and
Speaker 3: anyone who is already creating content they went double triple
Speaker 3: time because they just saw like such engagement happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like COVID was just this accelerator for
Speaker 1: so many things. It was a complete shift and the
Speaker 1: way we interacted with each other and the way we
Speaker 1: worked and all of these things, and it did do
Speaker 1: something fundamentally to the creator world that as it evolved
Speaker 1: since then, but completely changed the game. So it's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one now and you become CEO. The CEO stepped
Speaker 1: down some controversy the platform had said it would ban
Speaker 1: explicit content and a backtrack, and Tim stepped down, You
Speaker 1: stepped up.
Speaker 2: What was going through your mind when you got the
Speaker 2: call that you would be CEO?
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's nice to be and I'm you know,
Speaker 3: forever grateful for being just acknowledged for the work that
Speaker 3: I had done and continue to like support for the business.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of that instance where it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't realize it at the time, but
Speaker 3: I was the one chiming in with you know, oh,
Speaker 3: let's work with this, let's have this partnership let's do this,
Speaker 3: or you know, there's different emails and scenarios where I'm
Speaker 3: stepping in and sharing you know, opinions, ideas on what
Speaker 3: to do, and also coming into the business so passionately
Speaker 3: of like, oh this is you know a true disruptor.
Speaker 3: Is what led to you know, taking the reins when
Speaker 3: Tim stepped down, and then that's when I really doubled
Speaker 3: down on platform safety, transparency, a lot of those kind
Speaker 3: of core trust in safety fundamentals, which you know when
Speaker 3: we get into Violet, that's really what impacted a lot
Speaker 3: of the foundations of the platform I co founded.
Speaker 2: Was there a learning curve at all?
Speaker 3: Definitely in a sense that a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: know this but only Fans is a UK domiciled business,
Speaker 3: so you know, there's a lot of public affairs learnings.
Speaker 3: You know, we didn't grow up learning about the UK
Speaker 3: government in the US. You know, you have the House
Speaker 3: of Commons, House of Lords, like you know, I remember
Speaker 3: looking at a list as like these sound like Harry
Speaker 3: Potter characters.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know what explain that because there just you.
Speaker 3: Know, everyone goes by like you know, a much more
Speaker 3: formal title. Yeah, you know, things are quite traditional there
Speaker 3: and the biggest learning is seeing you know how the UK,
Speaker 3: especially at the time, was much more on the forefront
Speaker 3: of online safety, especially the age verification, and now that's
Speaker 3: look at the rest of the world. It's caught on
Speaker 3: in terms of these conversations around like oh, what are
Speaker 3: miners being exposed to? Like how can we prevent that?
Speaker 3: Should social media be for any on under sixteen or
Speaker 3: over sixteen?
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting because UK has been ahead, especially
Speaker 1: with deep fake abuse and so many of these issues
Speaker 1: surrounding online safety.
Speaker 2: And it is interesting because.
Speaker 1: During your time there, I saw this threat emerge, like
Speaker 1: you wanted only fans to be known for more than
Speaker 1: just adult content. This is like part of now what
Speaker 1: you're doing at Violet, which we're going to get into.
Speaker 1: Why do you think only fans didn't really make that leap?
Speaker 1: Like what were you frustrated? Like what was that like
Speaker 1: and with some of these priorities and how have you
Speaker 1: kind of like taken that into Violet.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's still, you know, known for a
Speaker 3: range of creators. You're kind of always seeing different news
Speaker 3: articles of like, oh, this person's not only fans, this
Speaker 3: person's doing that. So it's always been known for it,
Speaker 3: but because it does allow for you know, content on
Speaker 3: the spicier side. Yeah, it will you know, have a
Speaker 3: bit of that reputation, which I think is good. That's
Speaker 3: what gave it that kind of cool factor and continues
Speaker 3: to you know, keep it relevant the media. And then
Speaker 3: looking at Violet, that started as really our own frustrations
Speaker 3: of social media and the doom scrolling, the not seeing
Speaker 3: content from your friends. But also we all have friends
Speaker 3: that want to monetize. They don't have a following, they
Speaker 3: don't know how, they don't know where to start, and
Speaker 3: it's really quite intimidating, you know, looking at these other
Speaker 3: platforms they don't know you know.
Speaker 4: Oh how do I set up a profile? How do
Speaker 4: I set up a page?
Speaker 3: And that's where it kind of clicked, like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: we can take the best of social media, the best
Speaker 3: of a creator platform in terms of the monetization tools,
Speaker 3: and put them into one new experience. And that's where
Speaker 3: we really see Violet, you know, as its own lane
Speaker 3: in the market. You know, there's nothing sitting between creator
Speaker 3: platforms and social media for adults, so we really categorize
Speaker 3: it as adult social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like and so you left OnlyFans in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Before we leave Only Fans, can you just
Speaker 1: like take me into the room. What was like the
Speaker 1: craziest call or experience you had as the CEO of OnlyFans.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of funny conversations. And this
Speaker 3: even happens now around like, Okay, what's getting moderated for content,
Speaker 3: for example, Halloween costumes, so you can't have blood, but
Speaker 3: if it's in a like a costume setting, like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's like learning about different context for things.
Speaker 4: And then really and I feel like you'll relate to this.
Speaker 3: It's just people's and this happens to this day still
Speaker 3: where people can't believe like oh, that's your job or
Speaker 3: you worked at that company.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, yes, yes I did.
Speaker 3: Or there you know, there's many times, you know, I'll
Speaker 3: get on calls and people aren't expecting, you know, an
Speaker 3: executive to look the way that I do. Or many
Speaker 3: times people think that I'm, which is a compliment, significantly
Speaker 3: younger than I am, and I will have to voluntarily
Speaker 3: give up my age or say I'm a lot older
Speaker 3: than I look.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Just like even like the misconception of like you get
Speaker 1: on a call and someone doesn't realize Yeah, the only
Speaker 1: fan CEO could be like.
Speaker 4: Like, who is this kid? Where's are you the assistant? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow wow, So you decide to leave It's twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Was it what made you decide to leave?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 2: Was it the opportunity for something new? Was it time
Speaker 2: to move on? What was it?
Speaker 3: Kind of a combination where, you know, I felt like
Speaker 3: it was time to move on. I had done so
Speaker 3: many like amazing things there, accomplished a ton of goals,
Speaker 3: growth experience, you know, I joke it's like an MBA
Speaker 3: on steroids. And then it's like, Okay, how can I
Speaker 3: take this experience and do something on my own? So
Speaker 3: that's when I left. I launched an advisory Hoxton with
Speaker 3: my co founder business partner in Kaylee, and we're both
Speaker 3: very entrepreneurial. So in the back of our minds while
Speaker 3: we're working with a range of clients we had like
Speaker 3: fintech luxury CpG, like, okay, well we want to start
Speaker 3: a company. Our running joke was that every shady character
Speaker 3: that you can imagine who had their idea for the
Speaker 3: next like of would reach out to us. Only yeah
Speaker 3: and then you know, we always shun them away, especially Kaylee,
Speaker 3: but it happened so much and then it was kind
Speaker 3: of like I was always like, no, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to go back into that sector. But it was really
Speaker 3: just seeing like, oh, no, one's talking to this entire
Speaker 3: white space of potential users, of people who want to
Speaker 3: monetize don't know how, And then just look at the
Speaker 3: frustrations like I hear from not just creators but our
Speaker 3: friends or you know, other influencers talent where they're like,
Speaker 3: I don't they're frustrated with the current state of social media.
Speaker 3: They've plot towed on growth, they're not their content's not seen,
Speaker 3: they're not being seen. So we kind of felt like, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe there's something here well.
Speaker 1: And there's also just like this really interesting happening like
Speaker 1: after chat GPT launches twenty twenty two. AI is nothing new,
Speaker 1: but now it's mainstream to see. It happens so fast,
Speaker 1: it happens so quickly, and all of a sudden, there
Speaker 1: are all these conversations about consent online. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: for me, it's really near and dear. The rise of
Speaker 1: sexually explicit deep fakes. A lot of these women in
Speaker 1: public some more public than others who had their likeness
Speaker 1: taken because now we're in this age where our most
Speaker 1: intimate features, our voice, our face, our bodies.
Speaker 2: Can be mimicked with AI.
Speaker 1: And so now we're entering this era where consent online
Speaker 1: really matters.
Speaker 2: And if someone wanted.
Speaker 1: To create AI Laurie to do anything, they could, And
Speaker 1: so I think it's really interesting to think about, well
Speaker 1: you combine that moment with a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: and the frustration from creators, and also what could a
Speaker 1: social media platform look like if it was built with
Speaker 1: folks who have experience in the creator world, but who
Speaker 1: are also women. And I think that kind of like
Speaker 1: combination and those ingredients are kind of at the core
Speaker 1: of Violet. It almost feels a little bit like an
Speaker 1: offshoot of only fans, but very different in some capacities.
Speaker 1: You've launched just a couple months ago, So what have
Speaker 1: you seen so far?
Speaker 3: So we're still very new, but we have about ten
Speaker 3: thousand users on the platform already. We're continuing to grow daily,
Speaker 3: adding upwards of five hundred to a thousand new users.
Speaker 4: You know, to.
Speaker 3: Us, anyone can join violetworld dot com. But you jump on,
Speaker 3: you're able to you know, make a profile. You're able
Speaker 3: to leverage AI tools. We have AI chat, image generation,
Speaker 3: we have vibe matching. So if you're a fan you
Speaker 3: want to find a creator to follow, you can type
Speaker 3: in you know, their aesthetic, you know, an esthetic preference,
Speaker 3: you type in hobbies, interests. Like there's this discovery feature
Speaker 3: that just not available elsewhere. So that's something we're really
Speaker 3: excited about. And also everyone on the platform as a
Speaker 3: human because you go through an onboarding process where you know,
Speaker 3: there's age verification, there's you're setting up a profile. We
Speaker 3: actually require everyone to have a profile image. We found
Speaker 3: that it makes just a much more enjoyable engagement experience
Speaker 3: when it's not just.
Speaker 4: That like icon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, while we have AI tools, you know, we do
Speaker 3: value and prioritize human connection and experiences. It's fully integrated
Speaker 3: as a space where anyone can build a community, connect
Speaker 3: with their kind of like creators they might know they
Speaker 3: want to follow, they can you know, have a place
Speaker 3: online to discover, you know, have that sense of discovery back.
Speaker 4: It's just not it hasn't been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: So you're months in what are you seeing, like, what
Speaker 1: are interesting creators doing? Like how are they interacting with it,
Speaker 1: what are people monetizing?
Speaker 2: How it has it working?
Speaker 3: So you're seeing a range of content. Also, anyone can
Speaker 3: share content on Violet. We want people to feel like
Speaker 3: they can express themselves. The only difference between kind of
Speaker 3: fans or users of the platform and creators is that
Speaker 3: creators set up subscription tiers, meaning they can monetize their
Speaker 3: content through premium VIP subscriptions, through pay per view content,
Speaker 3: custom content that they're able to us upsell to their followers.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the AI integration. What is Violet doing
Speaker 1: with AI that's unique? What are the decisions made to
Speaker 1: get there?
Speaker 2: What will you do? What won't you do?
Speaker 3: So for AI, we want creators have full control over
Speaker 3: their digital twin, meaning that they upload eight to twelve
Speaker 3: images of themselves to be able to train it. You know,
Speaker 3: they can put in create their own prompts. We have
Speaker 3: pre selects if they're like not sure what they want
Speaker 3: to write, and it's really streamlined the image creation process.
Speaker 3: They own all of the AI images that are generated.
Speaker 3: So after they generate an image, if they like it,
Speaker 3: they can post it to their Violet profile. They could
Speaker 3: post it to their you know, VIP or premiums here
Speaker 3: and upsell it, or they can download it and then
Speaker 3: it will be watermarked with Violet AI too, and that
Speaker 3: gives them like really a sense of control over their
Speaker 3: likeness their IP. We also have AI chat on Violet,
Speaker 3: so that's where you're actually chatting with Violet AI. It's
Speaker 3: getting to know you, your tone of voice, and I'll
Speaker 3: ask you questions. I'll where are you from, what hobbies
Speaker 3: are you into? Do you have any pets? Like it
Speaker 3: truly does get to know you. Like I keep my
Speaker 3: AI chat turned on and I'll find people will chat
Speaker 3: with it. But of course, because they're all about transparency,
Speaker 3: I can then go back and see like, okay, what
Speaker 3: is AIA me even saying to people.
Speaker 2: And the idea is that you could monetize AI.
Speaker 1: You you own, you have ownership over your AI likeness,
Speaker 1: and this is a social network and a place where
Speaker 1: you could kind of put it work if you wanted
Speaker 1: to to some degree.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, That's where you know, you just can toggle
Speaker 3: to turn on your AI so then I can chat
Speaker 3: for you. You know, if you're at work, you have
Speaker 3: other things going on. But then your fans get that
Speaker 3: sense of like, oh, like Laurie's you know, recording a podcast,
Speaker 3: but oh I can chat with her aiight or like,
Speaker 3: as a creator, so much work to produce a full shoot,
Speaker 3: make content, and this allows you to like, oh, I
Speaker 3: want to you know what if someone's like, oh I
Speaker 3: want to see they look like in a purple wag
Speaker 3: or in a blue shirt, Well, quickly use AI.
Speaker 4: And I'll generate whatever you want.
Speaker 3: You know, on Violet we have everything labeled with AI
Speaker 3: for a transparency, So on all the images there's a
Speaker 3: star icon, so you know, okay, this is created with
Speaker 3: Violet AI, and it's very clear even in the chat,
Speaker 3: there's a live chat with the actual creator and then
Speaker 3: you can see like, oh, their AI.
Speaker 4: When you're chatting with their AI.
Speaker 1: Is there a world like I mean, it's certainly seems
Speaker 1: like we are entering this world where people are okay
Speaker 1: with talking to an AI version of somebody, and.
Speaker 3: Oh, look at the success of like replica character AI
Speaker 3: these other you know, platforms or people a lot of
Speaker 3: times are talking to a fictional character yeah, or someone
Speaker 3: made up And this allows you to be like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: this is based off of a real person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I you know, at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: As much as we all embrace AI in AI tools,
Speaker 3: nothing takes the place of the human experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's interesting is like you see so you
Speaker 1: see this, it's like this idea of world building. So
Speaker 1: many of these really successful AI companies and I look
Speaker 1: at like character Ai, although albeit they didn't have the
Speaker 1: correct cardrails with like and they also didn't have the
Speaker 1: permissions like they had like Ai Nicki Minaj. But Ai
Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj was building out a world and having all
Speaker 1: these crazy conversations with folks and getting millions and millions
Speaker 1: of chats, which kind of proves the point that people
Speaker 1: know that it's not Nicki Minaj, but they are willing
Speaker 1: to do it. The problem with character Ai is that
Speaker 1: they didn't have permission from Nicki Minaj to be doing this.
Speaker 1: And so my understanding from Violet is that you do
Speaker 1: have permission and yeah.
Speaker 3: We're not doing anything. It's actually the creator and the
Speaker 3: talent who is like, oh, they've you know, taken decision
Speaker 3: to train their Violet AI chat and they turn it on.
Speaker 3: They're the ones creating all the images. We're actually not
Speaker 3: doing anything. We're providing the tools for them. And there's
Speaker 3: some creators that you know, they they don't you know,
Speaker 3: use the AI tools as frequently and more so. They
Speaker 3: like the just the user experience, the subscription tiers, and
Speaker 3: there's somewhere like they're just cranking out those images and
Speaker 3: I am like, and we're going to play with it,
Speaker 3: like literally right now. But I will say, like, I
Speaker 3: am really excited about my AI Lori because it does
Speaker 3: feel like enough separation that like I could kind of
Speaker 3: see how people are interacting with Ai Lori, what they're saying.
Speaker 3: I think that could be really interesting as long as
Speaker 3: I had like the quality control and the ability to
Speaker 3: have to understand you know, well that's not what I
Speaker 3: would say, or that is what I would say, or
Speaker 3: train it more and more to kind of be like me.
Speaker 3: I think it's such an interesting you know, we are
Speaker 3: entering this world where I guess, like these relationships, the
Speaker 3: lines between reality are just blurring a bit, and it's
Speaker 3: interesting to watch what people are attracted to and also
Speaker 3: what kind of guardrails and how you build that in
Speaker 3: a way that's safe for both parties.
Speaker 4: I mean that's what we have.
Speaker 3: Of course, like all of the moderation, there's nothing on
Speaker 3: the platform we can't see, like, no one can go
Speaker 3: in and try to make like, you know, AI images
Speaker 3: that aren't of themselves. There's precautions behind the scenes to
Speaker 3: prevent that. Yeah, you know, we you know, we've kind
Speaker 3: of thought through a lot of these different scenarios and
Speaker 3: you know, we'd want to prevent it from you know,
Speaker 3: being used by bad actors. And those are a lot
Speaker 3: of conversations had early on with our CTO stuff in
Speaker 3: who's like in there and making sure like, okay, this
Speaker 3: is safe, Like no one can upload, you know, an
Speaker 3: image that would be against our terms of service, or
Speaker 3: try to upload an image that's not of them right,
Speaker 3: And that's where you know, we've put a lot of
Speaker 3: these you know, thanks to AI, you have a lot
Speaker 3: of PreCheck of content, so we see everything's pre check
Speaker 3: before it's published. And that actually is the same with
Speaker 3: our own AI images too, so they're even reviewed per
Speaker 3: our moderation guidelines before that they're published on Violet.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I feel like we should play with violence.
Speaker 4: We'll have some fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So now I'm on here we are.
Speaker 1: The best thing is like it gave me a usernameed
Speaker 1: ass it like suggested it and I was like, I
Speaker 1: love this user name so much.
Speaker 2: It's shadow avalanche Lore.
Speaker 4: Badass.
Speaker 2: We love it.
Speaker 1: Going back to my MySpace day for some reason, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: like some emo Shadow Avalanche Lore, and so that's me
Speaker 1: on Violet Shadow Avalanche Lore. I think I might have
Speaker 1: to change my tagline.
Speaker 2: I need to.
Speaker 1: You have to help me get like more creator friendly,
Speaker 1: maybe because like I think I'm.
Speaker 2: Too like in my head, Yeah, I just feel like
Speaker 2: a fun bio.
Speaker 1: I was curiosity, empathy, and agency.
Speaker 4: I think I think it can be a little cooler,
Speaker 4: but scriptures are good. But yeah, like now that I hear.
Speaker 1: It, I'm like, this is so princh reorthly, like clearly, clearly,
Speaker 1: this is my first time on here.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna change that.
Speaker 1: But then I go to so if I go to
Speaker 1: you know, messaging, messaging, okay, start training, so unlock your
Speaker 1: AI chat for your friends.
Speaker 2: Okay. So then it's.
Speaker 4: Gonna go into the Violet A. It's gonna ask you
Speaker 4: a few questions.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing would make me happier than to make
Speaker 1: AI Laurie available for people who listen to this so
Speaker 1: they can hang out with her.
Speaker 2: Okay, it says, I'm Violet. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: I'm here to help you set up your persona a profile,
Speaker 1: and I want to get to know the real you.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me a bit about yourself whatever feels
Speaker 1: important or interesting to share, So any advice, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like, you're a reporter, I'm a focused on tech.
Speaker 2: I'm tech journalists all right York.
Speaker 1: But I probably shouldn't mention I have a pet ax
Speaker 1: A Lottle. I think child and a child?
Speaker 2: Is that not?
Speaker 4: Aren't they both your children?
Speaker 2: That's true, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Butter, that's your first Butter's my ax
Speaker 1: A Lottle who lives in New York. Uh runs mostly
Speaker 1: human media.
Speaker 2: I have a pet ax A Lottle. Are you dying?
Speaker 2: And how I'm training? Like AI?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm sitting here kind of training my AI.
Speaker 1: But I find that it's like asking me kind of
Speaker 1: go a little bit more specific and to kind of
Speaker 1: reveal other things. So how is this different than training
Speaker 1: like than chet youbet or clod or some of these
Speaker 1: other models and how they train?
Speaker 3: So this is really meant to actually get to know
Speaker 3: you in a way that then it can represent you
Speaker 3: to other people. Which is you know, again a personal chat,
Speaker 3: diving a little bit deeper than you know you might elsewhere,
Speaker 3: but also in a way that's also training on your
Speaker 3: tone of voice. You can put in emojis you use,
Speaker 3: and then under settings you're able to further customize everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Cool, if you're like, oh, I'm personally I'm very optimistic,
Speaker 3: so I have that one slid all the way up,
Speaker 3: or you can say like oh, undertone of voice, you
Speaker 3: might be more formal, you might be long. You know,
Speaker 3: you may chat longer, shorter. So we really give a
Speaker 3: lot of customization options to creators to be able to
Speaker 3: be like, okay, this is how I chat, or like
Speaker 3: I want to just tweak it a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and as you're using it, it just continues to get
Speaker 3: to know you, like, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's really it.
Speaker 3: Like I put on mine, I added a bunch of
Speaker 3: emojis that I use when I text my friends. Cool,
Speaker 3: and it feels much more personal. Okay, So I'm sixty
Speaker 3: percent training trained. I can come back to training even
Speaker 3: come you can return to your your training.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then can I can we look at my
Speaker 1: AI twin.
Speaker 3: Yes, so we can generate an image so what happens
Speaker 3: when it's trained is that then it's known Violet AI
Speaker 3: knows who you are. It has like your digital image stored,
Speaker 3: So then you're able to go to create a post
Speaker 3: and then you're able to generate an AI image.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, So first of all, let me show you
Speaker 2: my AI twin.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I mean, she's beautiful, she's stuns like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I really want to do what my
Speaker 1: AI twin is doing to take care of herself.
Speaker 2: To be honest, she's like, it's just like kind of
Speaker 2: a bit of an elevated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's IM saying. It's just like, oh, it's like
Speaker 4: a bit more. It's like a little for.
Speaker 1: Me before the wedding, you know, it was like me
Speaker 1: when I had taken care of my I mean, you
Speaker 1: look right now, you know.
Speaker 2: So now I go back and now if I want
Speaker 2: to create my first post, I go to a new post.
Speaker 4: Then you can do.
Speaker 1: Generate AI twin emmt okay, oh wow, describe your vision
Speaker 1: so far, I've done like a very poor job of
Speaker 1: being a creator on here.
Speaker 4: So well, that's where the presots come in.
Speaker 3: So then you can kind of like you know, feel
Speaker 3: it out, be like Oh do I want.
Speaker 4: To be on a rooftop?
Speaker 1: I want to be on a b Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to be in the forest. Oh okay, So it's giving
Speaker 1: me options.
Speaker 2: This is great.
Speaker 1: So it says, describe your vision, tell us what you
Speaker 1: want to see, so your mood, outfit, anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say in a lush forest. It
Speaker 1: gives me the options of sexy, classy, edgy, dreamy, dark, oh, luxurious.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be luxurious, I mean forest like does that okay? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 2: luxurious outfit? Oh so I could.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put myself in laundry on this one.
Speaker 1: I feel like I just feel like all of us
Speaker 1: aren't there yet.
Speaker 4: It'll be for the subscription, dear, for the subscription.
Speaker 2: That's for Charlie's college.
Speaker 4: Fun.
Speaker 2: Let's do glam. This is so fun. Okay, enhancing my prompt.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can see it's much more detailed. Or if
Speaker 3: you wanted to add in, like, oh I want to
Speaker 3: wear a.
Speaker 1: Red or okay, elegant and shimmering gown forest twilight. Oh
Speaker 1: it's not golden light, opulent moss covered stones, rich velvet, fabric, dreamy, romantic,
Speaker 1: sign me up.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So now I generate it for seven credits.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, go ahead, and her gouge.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a little low cut for me, Amy, it's
Speaker 1: a little literally, they're.
Speaker 2: Like not making like contact.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, I mean she looks good.
Speaker 4: She's she's she's.
Speaker 1: In a gown in a forest, and she has a
Speaker 1: great brawl on whatever's making them.
Speaker 2: Wait, this is so fun. Yeah, so you can knowing? Okay,
Speaker 2: So now what do I do with this?
Speaker 4: So you can share it as a post?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Okay, so it says I can start over create a post.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do I want to put this?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? Oh my god, Amy, look at you helping
Speaker 2: me stretch.
Speaker 4: Look by the way, it's next.
Speaker 1: To my profile photo with like me and a shirt
Speaker 1: that's like basically up to my neck and shoulder pads.
Speaker 2: Just fyi. Okay, but it's not real, So here we
Speaker 2: go next.
Speaker 3: That's also another point, you know, it's kind of being
Speaker 3: a little bit more adventurous, and you might be than
Speaker 3: how you may dress every day.
Speaker 1: I feel like this one's more the girlfriend experience kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, she's not like, yeah, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh, so here's my caption. I it's so bad at this.
Speaker 2: I was literally was gonna say, like my first time,
Speaker 2: and I know that's not what I've read.
Speaker 4: Dreamy Walk, Dreamy, dreamy Walk.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to start like sending these to my husband.
Speaker 4: What are you doing another day for him?
Speaker 2: Dream?
Speaker 1: I know, another day in the office, out of the office,
Speaker 1: and the nope, let's not try to be cheeky, all right,
Speaker 1: and now I can select my tear.
Speaker 2: Seems as though we should let this out. I'm not
Speaker 2: ready for premium. Yeah, okay, dreamy Walk. Okay, oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. She's live, she is live, she looks good.
Speaker 2: That was fun. I have to that was fun, and
Speaker 2: I would never put that out.
Speaker 3: It's also it's probably not something normally where it's kind
Speaker 3: of that exciting thing of like, oh what could I
Speaker 3: look like in this?
Speaker 1: And it's also to your point, this is not something
Speaker 1: I would put on Instagram or like or fit. You know,
Speaker 1: this is like it feels like a little bit different
Speaker 1: over here, which I kind of like, it's a different
Speaker 1: fact we're creative.
Speaker 4: It just kind of lets you express yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I think is so interesting about
Speaker 1: this is it just feels it feels different than some
Speaker 1: things I've seen, because it does feel like we are
Speaker 1: entering a world where there's AI slop and there's just
Speaker 1: you don't know what's real and what's not, and you know,
Speaker 1: you there's an inevitability of AI and social media, but
Speaker 1: it feels like things have gotten really crowded and really
Speaker 1: busy and we're not sure where the incentives are and
Speaker 1: we're not sure what's behind it. So it certainly is
Speaker 1: interesting to see what could the space open up to,
Speaker 1: what are new opportunities in the chaos?
Speaker 4: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: And it's also just the transparency of knowing, like because
Speaker 3: this AI or not? Yeah, And ultimately like people don't care,
Speaker 3: they just want to know.
Speaker 1: Well, but it is interesting, Like I guess my question
Speaker 1: when we started out even with this podcast, was like,
Speaker 1: are people going to care if it's AI? Like, are
Speaker 1: people going to want to interact with, you know, with
Speaker 1: an AI version of someone in? The answer I think
Speaker 1: is resounding yes. And I guess the question is how
Speaker 1: do you build guardrails around that? And what are the
Speaker 1: ethical ways to do that? And for you, it sounds
Speaker 1: like so much of that comes down to consent and transparency.
Speaker 3: Absolutely consent, transparency and control for a creator around their image,
Speaker 3: how they use it. They have full you know, audience
Speaker 3: over how how do I want to create AI? How
Speaker 3: do I want to show up digitally? So there's nothing
Speaker 3: that's not happening. If they don't like the image, then
Speaker 3: they delete it or they generate a new one.
Speaker 1: So give me advice on how I can make money
Speaker 1: on Violet with how my AI Lori can go to
Speaker 1: work and make money on Violet.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get training and training your AI chat. We're
Speaker 3: gonna we're going to populate your profile and then we'll
Speaker 3: set up some subscription tires and then people can jump
Speaker 3: onto Violet, they can chat with AI Lori and they
Speaker 3: can see some of your content.
Speaker 4: Real or AI. The h might not be might not
Speaker 4: be out there for everyone.
Speaker 1: And I guess we also have to change my tagline
Speaker 1: from curiosity yeah agency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll help me come up with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the real life of Lori.
Speaker 1: And so what do you think, because you have spent
Speaker 1: so much time in the creator space, what's the next
Speaker 1: cultural shift that you see coming?
Speaker 3: I mean, Violet will be and really it's like there
Speaker 3: needs to be a refresh in how people are using platforms,
Speaker 3: and a lot of times that's what you know, all
Speaker 3: of these public affairs conversations are leading to like what
Speaker 3: are people seeing? You know, you look at youth and
Speaker 3: adult spaces colliding online, which is, you know, what's happening
Speaker 3: on every major social platform, whereas we, you know, took
Speaker 3: youth out of that equation and we are fully you know,
Speaker 3: in a adult social media platform, and that's never been
Speaker 3: in the vernacular before. It's been more like, oh, is
Speaker 3: it a creator platform, is it something spicy?
Speaker 4: What does adult actually mean? And that's again going.
Speaker 3: Back to like, oh, this is where the HBO of
Speaker 3: social media analogy comes in because we find people understand
Speaker 3: what that means. It's something for the mass market, a
Speaker 3: broader audience, but with boundaries and guard rails.
Speaker 1: Why does this work personal to you?
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of exciting to just create something
Speaker 3: new that hasn't been done, hasn't been out there. I
Speaker 3: can't say like, oh, this is a space I thought
Speaker 3: I was going to go back into or something I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, dreaming up for years and years,
Speaker 3: but it really happened very organically with my co founder
Speaker 3: Kaylee and just through our own conversations, and now it's
Speaker 3: just this true passion of like, wait, there needs to
Speaker 3: be something different out there and or a platform led
Speaker 3: by women.
Speaker 4: We stand for something.
Speaker 3: We're all about trans parency, putting all of our users
Speaker 3: in community first. And we've spent so much time on
Speaker 3: the foundation of the platform in terms of the safety features.
Speaker 3: You know, who are we using for age verification, how
Speaker 3: are we going to moderate the content, how do we
Speaker 3: prevent these bad actors.
Speaker 4: From getting in?
Speaker 3: And you know, there's nothing that you know, we haven't
Speaker 3: thought about, you know, and that's just not you don't
Speaker 3: really hear about that in businesses these days. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: how do we you know, make the quick dollar? How
Speaker 3: do we do this? It's like we actually focused on
Speaker 3: the infrastructure, the business model. Then we're like, okay, of
Speaker 3: course we're going to have the monetization features, but going further,
Speaker 3: like you know, we can have advertising in the future.
Speaker 3: We can you know, do different things and operate in
Speaker 3: a different way that just platforms haven't done before.
Speaker 2: When you say we stand for something, what do you
Speaker 2: stand for?
Speaker 3: We stand for being a safe, inclusive community online really
Speaker 3: where anyone can be their authentic self without feeling like the.
Speaker 4: Pressures, the trolls, the.
Speaker 3: You know, just the anxieties you're getting on other platforms.
Speaker 3: That's what we don't want. We want someone to come
Speaker 3: to Violet and be like, oh, this is cool. This
Speaker 3: is where I can post this which I don't feel
Speaker 3: comfortable sharing elsewhere.
Speaker 1: So last question, where do you see Violet Like five
Speaker 1: years from now, what does the future of this platform
Speaker 1: look like?
Speaker 3: Violet's going to be used by everyone? You know, we
Speaker 3: see this platform just kind of taking over in terms
Speaker 3: of being used more internationally. You know, you look at
Speaker 3: the conversations around social media, and that's where we feel like,
Speaker 3: again we are on the forefront of something that you know,
Speaker 3: we're thinking in a way that other businesses and platforms
Speaker 3: aren't thinking, where this is really much more about community,
Speaker 3: social engagement, and then we're providing the tools for those
Speaker 3: who want to be able to monetize. So that's where
Speaker 3: we just see this like really spreading and taking over.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, you can find both me and Amy on
Speaker 2: a Violet.
Speaker 1: I do answer all my messages all there, and she
Speaker 1: answers all of her messages if you have any feedback.
Speaker 2: So awesome, Thank you so much, Thank you so much fun,