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Speaker 1: Welcome to PM mood, the no Talking Points, no Bullshit

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Speaker 1: podcast that takes you behind the curtain, off the red carpet,

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Speaker 1: and to the front lines of progress with change makers

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Speaker 1: and innovators that are doing the work to shift our

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Speaker 1: culture and expand our social impact. I am so so

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Speaker 1: excited to welcome to PM mood. The wonderful, the fabulous scholar, activist,

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Speaker 1: public speaker, creator, brilliant mind behind Professional Black Girl, doctor

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Speaker 1: Yaba Blair. Welcome to PM Mood. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: to have you here. Thank you for having me. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have to tell people that if you have not

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Speaker 1: seen the web series Professional Black Girl, if you are

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Speaker 1: not following Professional Black Girl on Instagram, you are missing out.

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Speaker 1: Everybody who knows me knows that I am full of

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Speaker 1: doom and gloom. But the place that I go to

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Speaker 1: for sunshine, for happiness, for the celebration of black women

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Speaker 1: is Professional Black Girl. Yeah, but tell me what made

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Speaker 1: you launch Professional Black Girl? You know, a Professional Black

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Speaker 1: Girl was a project that I actually didn't set out

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Speaker 1: to make into a thing. It kind of became a thing.

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Speaker 1: I actually was trying to do another show that didn't

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Speaker 1: pan out, But essentially I was living in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: for about three years in Durham, and when I moved there,

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Speaker 1: I came across one of the largest beauty supply stores

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Speaker 1: is a converted grocery store, so they're like, wow, something

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Speaker 1: aisles of product and hair and just all kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: And I have always loved beauty supply store, so random

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Speaker 1: actually had ascerations of owning one. And so really the

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Speaker 1: first time I oh, yeah, the first time I went there,

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Speaker 1: I was there for like two hours, and it was

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Speaker 1: just like an adventure for me. And so, of course

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Speaker 1: I had moved to a new city, and so my

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Speaker 1: home girls were coming to visit and see about me,

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Speaker 1: and every time one would come, I'm like, you want

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Speaker 1: to go to beauty World. And so we'd be in

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Speaker 1: Beauty World like kids in a candy store. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: we could go down an aisle, open up a bottle

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Speaker 1: of pink or moisturized or smell it, and immediately be

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Speaker 1: transported back to our team. And what I recognized was that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we bonded so much over not just beauty culture,

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Speaker 1: so I just had this bright idea. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: film another series that would be based in the beauty

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Speaker 1: supply store. Unfortunately, the proprietor of Beauty World would not

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Speaker 1: let me film in the store, which is a whole

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Speaker 1: other critical conversation, but in any case, the plan originally

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Speaker 1: and then to end each segment with a feature of

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Speaker 1: what I was calling a professional Black girl. At that time,

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Speaker 1: I had already started using the hashtag professional black Girl

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Speaker 1: as a way to note and shout out things that

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Speaker 1: I saw that were like peak black girl nows. And

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Speaker 1: so when I say a professional Black girl, the professional

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Speaker 1: part is subversive. Right Again, attached to that moment in

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Speaker 1: time in my life, I was teaching at an HBCU,

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Speaker 1: which I felt was going to be a great home coming,

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Speaker 1: which it was for the most part, because I had

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Speaker 1: spent most of my career teaching at PWISE. But what

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Speaker 1: I know just was that my black women colleagues and counterparts,

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Speaker 1: know that you have to look this way, dressed this way,

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Speaker 1: doing that at HBCU, this respectability I mean, because that's

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Speaker 1: like peak respectability politics right there. I mean yeah. But again,

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Speaker 1: you know, with proper contextualization, we know the history of

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Speaker 1: in line with the history, right that you have to

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Speaker 1: basically change who you are in order to be received

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Speaker 1: well in the quote unquote real world. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: having students who might have been named Keisha Danielle being

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Speaker 1: And you know, me too black for my own good,

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Speaker 1: I was completely you know done, because I'm if you

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Speaker 1: You know, And again it's no particular shade to HBCUs

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Speaker 1: dancing in front of your computer tiktoking like, that's professional.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you got your baby hair's laid, that's professional.

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Speaker 1: And so the things that I connected as like peak

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Speaker 1: black girlness, I was calling that professional black girl. So

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Speaker 1: I just connected those dots. And so the first season,

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Speaker 1: home girls who came to visit, and I did segments

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Speaker 1: black girls. And so I knew that folks would enjoy

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Speaker 1: it and appreciate it. I was not prepared for it

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Speaker 1: I've got a plan somewhere in my head. I didn't

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Speaker 1: did you realize just how needed it was, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: did the need surprise you that people were you know, essentially,

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Speaker 1: and I said this at the top, you created an

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Speaker 1: oasis for black women in the desert of our lives.

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Speaker 1: We are so invisibilized in so many spaces and places,

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Speaker 1: surprised or shot. It definitely took me aback, but I

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Speaker 1: rolled with it. You know, here we are, y'all love it,

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Speaker 1: Let's keep it going. I wasn't prepared for it, if anything,

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Speaker 1: and so it was interesting. And you know, it started

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Speaker 1: and then when it was over, of course, folks are like,

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Speaker 1: more money, so I don't know what's next. So that's

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Speaker 1: when I launched the Instagram page. So the Instagram page

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Speaker 1: really affirming and again just really making me aware, as

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Speaker 1: I was shocked by anything. I think. I was shocked

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Speaker 1: asking for much, Like even in the spaces that we

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Speaker 1: unquote black shows that we get, the black programming that

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Speaker 1: we get, it's still a particular type of blackness. It's

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Speaker 1: still you know, whether it's stereotypical or whether it's one

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Speaker 1: that it's aligned with respectability. Everybody can't relate. So either

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Speaker 1: It's just a simple reflection of who we are, without judgment,

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Speaker 1: to people listening. I send Yaba pictures and videos like

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Speaker 1: already seen it and I've already put it in your election.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I do love is

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Speaker 1: when you kind of check people in the comments section.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can kind of see in some ways

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Speaker 1: again you check folks in the comments, But I know

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Speaker 1: that it must be disheartening too, right because you're creating

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Speaker 1: But I think, if anything, what was disheartening, and I

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Speaker 1: But the thing that is hurtful and disheartening is, for

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Speaker 1: where those comments come from, because again, there is this

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Speaker 1: what that will mean ultimately for our conditions in this country,

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Speaker 1: as if those things are aligned, as if white supremacy

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Speaker 1: is actually making a decision where you're doing something this

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Speaker 1: One has nothing to do with the other, right, And

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Speaker 1: It's disheartening to know that a lot of times we

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Speaker 1: deeply seated in internalized white supremacy. And so again, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I question is I don't know that professional Black

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Speaker 1: you feel some type of way. It can't work that way. No,

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Speaker 1: you can't silence us. It can't work that way. What

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Speaker 1: I have always loved about you and your work is

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Speaker 1: the audaciousness of it. To me, it is the visualization

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Speaker 1: of how dare you right? And it's so profound because

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Speaker 1: the entitlement is so very real and so deep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that a majority don't even know that they are being

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Speaker 1: entitled right, That they are showcasing their privilege on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis no doubt. And I mean, I'm proud of

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Speaker 1: my work, and again I do see it as a privilege.

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Speaker 1: But I also have to remind folks that loving us costs.

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Speaker 1: It costs me to be audacious in this way, it

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Speaker 1: costs me to be unapologetic. I've never been on a

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Speaker 1: ten year track in the Academy. I'm not even working

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Speaker 1: in the Academy right now. From my it's a self

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Speaker 1: imposed sabbatical for my own mental health. Because for as

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Speaker 1: public appreciates it, the Academy does not because I won't apologize,

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Speaker 1: because I won't conform, because I have to argue with

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Speaker 1: editors about capitalizing the be in black that I have

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Speaker 1: to concede to creating a footnote to explain why I

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Speaker 1: capitalize be like, I'm constantly having to justify and white

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Speaker 1: explain my existence because your audience is white and that's

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Speaker 1: who I should be writing for. That doesn't affirm me.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't work for me, but it also doesn't pay

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Speaker 1: my bills, right, So I always let people know that,

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Speaker 1: like loving us cost, I'm constantly asking for support. I

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Speaker 1: don't enjoy asking folks for money, but if I don't,

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Speaker 1: I won't get to do the work that I do,

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Speaker 1: because the mainstream is not supportive of my work in

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Speaker 1: that way, particularly not black. Mainstream White folks love it.

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Speaker 1: They want to figure out a way to do it,

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Speaker 1: but still they want to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: do it that won't make white people uncomfortable. The thing

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Speaker 1: that's the hardest is to know that a lot of

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Speaker 1: black creative spaces are also concerned with making white folks

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Speaker 1: comfortable and too much at stake for me, just in

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Speaker 1: my own sense of self, you know, and there have

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Speaker 1: been a loss of folks mentors, my father, my family,

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Speaker 1: like can you just get a job with benefits please,

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Speaker 1: you know, want me to adjust, you know, and to conform,

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Speaker 1: just so that I can be okay. And I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, the love from my community does feed me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I just I think that that is

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Speaker 1: what makes the work so amazing. And I think that

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Speaker 1: that is what makes Professional Black Girl so wonderful, is

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Speaker 1: that the community helped you do it right, that it

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Speaker 1: was literally for us, by us, And I think that

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Speaker 1: that's what makes the project so extraordinary, the platform so extraordinary,

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Speaker 1: because you know, you put out a call and folks

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Speaker 1: returned and with an answer, And I think that that

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Speaker 1: says a lot about what you are doing, how you

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Speaker 1: are centering us, and I just I appreciate you so

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Speaker 1: incredibly much for it. One of the questions that I

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Speaker 1: am asking my guests at the end of our interviews

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Speaker 1: is how do you doctor Yaba Blay get in the

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Speaker 1: PM mood to change the world. How do you get

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Speaker 1: yourself inspired to change the world. Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean like, I think we inspire me. I think

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Speaker 1: my community inspires me. I think that again, I am

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Speaker 1: censored in us and our experiences and our culture and

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Speaker 1: our history. I am absolutely always inspired when I read

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Speaker 1: stories about folks who have passed on, folks who have

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Speaker 1: done this work in generations past, our ancestors, Like I

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Speaker 1: read a piece on zor Neil Hurston the other day

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Speaker 1: want to continue to do the work in her honor.

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Speaker 1: You know that we have folks who fought for us

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Speaker 1: in a time where they had so much more to

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Speaker 1: lose in doing so, including their lives. You know, not

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Speaker 1: to say that we can't lose our lives, but like

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Speaker 1: just in the moment of Jim Crow, in the moment

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Speaker 1: of enslavement and conversation, we had folks who are audacious then,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so if they could do it, then

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Speaker 1: my privilege ask can do it now, you know. So

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Speaker 1: I think I'm inspired by their struggle. I'm inspired when

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Speaker 1: I look at my grand baby you know, in the

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Speaker 1: world that she lives in, and as much as it's better,

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, it could be worse. You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm inspired by her, by her generation, by the use

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Speaker 1: to try and do as much as I can to

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Speaker 1: continually change their experience because these changes are incremental, right.

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Speaker 1: I know that I won't live to see the end

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Speaker 1: of white supremacy. My grand baby might not live to

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Speaker 1: see the end of white supremacy. But like we can't

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Speaker 1: deny that our experiences of it now are incrementally different

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Speaker 1: than the experiences that our ancestors had, So I can't

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Speaker 1: afford not to fight. Well. I hope that you continue

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Speaker 1: to fight. I shape the work that you do. Professional

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Speaker 1: Black Girl is my happy place. And what is next?

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Speaker 1: What is next for Professional Black Girl? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I try to stay present as best as I can. Good.

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Speaker 1: My mother would love you. She's a Yogi and she

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Speaker 1: tells me all the time, Danielle, stay present, Danille in

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Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, and try and again. The word is try.

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Speaker 1: I think you know. I just said this the other

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Speaker 1: day at an event that I did. Both love to

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Speaker 1: ask what's next? I choose to take that as an

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Speaker 1: affirmation of the work that I do means they want

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Speaker 1: to see more. But I also caution folks, particularly when

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Speaker 1: speaking to creatives, like that question, can produce lots of anxiety.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure to create, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of pressure to keep up. It's also part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why a lot of folks work is done in

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Speaker 1: haste and it's raggedy. Yeah, you're trying to keep up,

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Speaker 1: and they're trying to hurry up and put stuff out there.

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Speaker 1: And again, we deserve better, we deserve more, We deserve

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Speaker 1: people's concerted effort and attention, and so try not to

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Speaker 1: rush up into doing new stuff, into doing more, particularly

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Speaker 1: if you're not supporting it. Right. But I think Professional

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Speaker 1: Black Girl is just but one manifestation of the work

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Speaker 1: that I want to do. So I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: variety of ways that I can continue to create and

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Speaker 1: sustained community as well as do other creative work. I

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Speaker 1: think my overall goal is to continue to educate us

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Speaker 1: about us. You know, one of the things that makes

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Speaker 1: me want to peel my skin off is to see

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Speaker 1: young people online fighting about racism and not even knowing

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Speaker 1: what racism is. You know, folks online talking about racism

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Speaker 1: and not even knowing what racism is, not understanding context,

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Speaker 1: not understanding white supremacy, not understanding history. And I recognize

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Speaker 1: that I've had the opportunity to teach about these things,

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Speaker 1: but in a very privileged space called the academy. I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering how I can bring that type of information to

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Speaker 1: the community in ways that they can access. So I'm

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Speaker 1: working on it. I mean, it sounds like you are

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Speaker 1: working literally on everything and all the time, as many

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Speaker 1: creatives do. Doctor Yaba Blai, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining PM Mood. I appreciate you so much, and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for the beauty that is professional Black Girl.

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Speaker 1: It just inspires me every single day to keep going.

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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how much inspiration I need

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Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Sticky P Well, thank you for

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Speaker 1: tuning in, for following, for sharing, for liking, and definitely

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Speaker 1: for affirming the work that I do. I appreciate you.

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