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Speaker 1: For more than forty years, Johnny Holliday has been the

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Speaker 1: broadcast voice of University of Maryland football and basketball. Few,

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Speaker 1: if any, have seen or heard as much about Terp's

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Speaker 1: athletics as Holiday, and that includes the death and legacy

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Speaker 1: of Len Bias. Holiday had a rare view of Len's death.

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Speaker 1: He has had a front row seat for the struggles, challenges,

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Speaker 1: and triumphs experienced by Maryland athletics that followed. This is

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Speaker 1: Davon Grady, executive producer of the podcast series Len Bias

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Speaker 1: A Mixed Legacy. In this raw interview with Holiday, he

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Speaker 1: offers a unique perspective of the before, during, and after

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Speaker 1: of the death of Bias. Holiday is interviewed by me

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Speaker 1: and Don Marcus, another producer of the podcast series, Paul,

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Speaker 1: what you remember most about Lenn as a person? A

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Speaker 1: few people have been in this athletic department as long

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Speaker 1: as you have as a broadcaster, You've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of athletes come through. Put his personality as a person

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Speaker 1: in perspective compared to other athletes, and then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about his basketball.

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Speaker 2: My recollections of Lynn was, what a nice kid. He

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Speaker 2: was a soft spoken, down to earth as down to

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Speaker 2: earth as you could be before you became a superstar,

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Speaker 2: of course. And I remember going to Northwestern High School

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Speaker 2: to day he signed is a letter of intent to

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Speaker 2: come to the University of Maryland, and sitting and talking

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Speaker 2: with him and realizing that, well, this kid's very shy.

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Speaker 2: His kid's are very quiet. This kid's not going to

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Speaker 2: be a very good interview. He didn't say anything at all.

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Speaker 2: He was very veryed and what he had to say. Man,

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Speaker 2: I can understand that when you're a high school senior,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to be over the top. But in

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Speaker 2: the four years that I saw him and I watched

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Speaker 2: him play and grow, not only as a basketball player,

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Speaker 2: but as a just as a kid, he just kept

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Speaker 2: growing and growing mature wise, maturity wise, and became really

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Speaker 2: one of the best interviews on the team that I

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Speaker 2: recall from those days, always with a smile, always with

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Speaker 2: a nice word. Hello, mister Holliday. How are you just

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Speaker 2: the nicest, nicest, sweetest kid when he was grown up.

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Speaker 2: That's what I remember the most about Lamb.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about him being one of the best

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Speaker 1: interviews during that time, was it because of the way

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Speaker 1: things that he would say. I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Probably because he started off not bad, but he wasn't

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Speaker 2: very good because he didn't say anything. I remember the

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Speaker 2: first year of the first couple of interviews we did

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Speaker 2: with him, it was like a lot of yes and

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Speaker 2: I would stop the recorder to remindle him that this

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Speaker 2: is rate you're going to have to talk. They can't

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Speaker 2: see you nodding your head and big smile. Oh okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: And like all young players, when you stick a microphone

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Speaker 2: in front of them, they moved back, and I kept

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Speaker 2: moving in and he'd move back, and I'd move in

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Speaker 2: and he'd moved back, and it got to be a he.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, he got to be one of the

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Speaker 2: best interviews, and he was guarded in what he had

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Speaker 2: to say, because you're not going to throw your teammates

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Speaker 2: coaches under the bus. But he was always fun to

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Speaker 1: Was he more of a Was he a practical joker

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Speaker 1: at all time, at any time compared to Whistle's on

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Speaker 1: someone who would just get up and want to be

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Speaker 2: As far as practical joker is concerned, I wasn't on

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Speaker 2: when you're with your teammates, you're one way. When you're

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Speaker 2: with the with the media, you're another way. When you're

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Speaker 2: with me, the broadcaster for the team, there probably another way.

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Speaker 2: I probably had better access to him than a lot

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Speaker 2: But as far as a joker, I don't know about that,

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Speaker 2: never I don't think he ever turned out an interview

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Speaker 2: on that basketball team, not the freshman year, because he

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Speaker 2: and I wanted the rest of the players to get

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Speaker 2: equal time along with len Bias. But he was He

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Speaker 2: was a great interviewer.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about him as a basketball player. You saw

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Speaker 1: imagine you were practices, you were on trips, You saw

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Speaker 1: practice when you said, Okay, I'm really seeing a difference here.

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Speaker 1: What did in games? I'm really seeing a difference here.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of his career. Any little stories that

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Speaker 2: He evolved, Well, everybody talks about what a good score

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Speaker 2: he was, but I think lost in the shuffle was

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Speaker 2: how even though he would get you fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 2: had great passing ability. He had tremendous speed. If you

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Speaker 2: looked at him, the first word that comes to mind

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Speaker 2: for Len Bias is chiseled. He was chiseled. I don't

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Speaker 2: his body. I mean, this guy, this guy was dynamite.

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Speaker 2: And Greg Manning was doing the games with me in

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Speaker 2: those days, and he would continually amaze Greg and I

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Speaker 2: with some of his moves, flying through the lane, coming

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Speaker 2: after a game we would say, couple of years, well

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Speaker 2: And that answer, of course was answered by we only

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Speaker 2: know what happened in Maryland. We all think about what

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Speaker 2: could have been with the Boston Celtics for many many years,

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Speaker 2: and how he could have turned that franchise around, and

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Speaker 2: I think we all close our eyes and say, what

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Speaker 2: you would have been great to watch Lynn Bias and

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan go head to head year after year after year.

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Speaker 2: But I think it was his athleticism, his speed, his gracefulness,

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Speaker 2: Nothing scaredy. He could handle any kind of a situation.

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Speaker 2: And I think as he continued to progress up the ladder,

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Speaker 2: I would imagine it's probably off the meter that he

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Speaker 1: Did he ever give you the impression that he felt

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Speaker 1: he was that good he was? Was his humility taking

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Speaker 1: I'm that he was. He wasn't that kind of a

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Speaker 1: kid at all. Let's talk about your perspective calling games.

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Speaker 1: You've seen all these games. I mean, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: find anyone who can put all this in perspective games

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Speaker 1: you've seen of Len compared to other players. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: remember h I think it was his senior year against Virginia,

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Speaker 1: the Olden Polones situation when uh the crowd at Cole

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Speaker 1: happened and and the crowds going. One half of Colesfield

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Speaker 1: House is saying Len. The other other half of call

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Speaker 1: Field has a yelling bias. It's Len biased Len bias.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that incident against Virginia?

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Speaker 3: Okay, how do you remember that? I know I've heard

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Speaker 3: I like the way you describe that, though I have

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Speaker 3: no recollection.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Richard.

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Speaker 2: And Johnny and maybe Johnny, I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember it, but these guys are younger, so.

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Speaker 2: I have no The guy played one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: Well, how about the Carolina game. You were in Dean

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Speaker 1: the end of thirty five. Okay, So what try to

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Speaker 1: Anything that that you can recall from that time that

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Speaker 1: lot has already been said about it, But is there

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Speaker 1: anything else do you think you can add to that?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the first loss they had Dean Dome for

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Speaker 2: North Carolina overtime game, thirty five points. He won eleven

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Speaker 2: of eleven at the line. If I recall, in that

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Speaker 2: Even though he had thirty five points in Maryland, won

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Speaker 2: that game in overtime. That's the that's the famous Kenny

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Speaker 2: Smith thing with Gatlin bounces the ball. That was the

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Speaker 2: cast arounding as well. It wasn't just len bias. If

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Speaker 1: He had a good game that game too. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: A good game that game. Yeah. So, but I remember

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Speaker 2: in that game the fact that the Carolina fans are funny,

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Speaker 2: use the word. They're kind of like front runners. You know,

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Speaker 2: when things are going well, they're really going good, and

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Speaker 2: when things aren't going so good, the big hitters sit

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Speaker 2: down close to the floor, and they got the you know,

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Speaker 2: They're big, and they were vacant. They started that. People

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Speaker 2: Greg and I said, what are you are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: What are they what are they doing? I mean, they're

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Speaker 2: that's their prerogative to do that. But he silenced a

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Speaker 2: lot of critics in that particular game. And you know something,

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Speaker 2: when you talk about Lynn's scoring, I think he only

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Speaker 2: scored thirty points or more, maybe seven times, six or

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Speaker 2: seven times in his four years at Maryland. What he

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Speaker 2: averaged twenty something points a game, But each year it

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Speaker 2: went from seven points as a freshman to eleven to seventeen.

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Speaker 2: It kept on going up and up and up. And

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Speaker 2: I think that was one of those games that you know,

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Speaker 2: think he had four you won that year the senior

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Speaker 2: was a game. It's certainly a game to remember, no

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Speaker 1: to you in Len's career that he did that you

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Speaker 1: sit back and that's lent. Have you ever thought about

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Speaker 2: No, The only thing I thought about was every time

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Speaker 2: I saw him play. It's not that he did something different,

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Speaker 2: but he did most things consistently. I love the way

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Speaker 2: he could take off at the top of the key,

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Speaker 2: And he can also as easy as as Don Marcus

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Speaker 2: could do in his younger days. He could take it

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Speaker 2: mean the guy. The guy had so much athleticism, and

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Speaker 2: that's why there was nobody quite like len Bias, even

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Speaker 2: though Jordan was spectacular. But I think len Bias caught

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Speaker 2: the eyes and the attention of everybody in the country

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Speaker 2: because he was so well rounded he was. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he had any deficiencies at all. He was a

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Speaker 2: good defensive player as well, But anytime he went flying

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Speaker 2: through the air, I think that's what caught our eye

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Speaker 2: to hear this guy looks like he's just you know,

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Speaker 2: he's like fifteen feet off the floor soaring through the

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think don can do that on

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Speaker 1: a seven foot basket correct on today back done. Do

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Speaker 1: you consider of all the when you started working with

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Speaker 1: it was correct? Yeah, do you consider him the best

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Speaker 2: I would say it's tough. It's tough to put in

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Speaker 2: perspective something like that, because Dixon was pretty good, Basquez

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Speaker 2: these guys I hate, like the Dickens to put anybody

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Speaker 2: and say this is the best I've ever seen, because

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Speaker 2: I've seen so many of them. But certainly to be

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Speaker 2: the number three all time score like he is, behind

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Speaker 2: him right there. But also if you look at his

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Speaker 2: other numbers, if the game's played and his rebounding was outstanding,

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Speaker 2: his free throw shooting was outstanding, there were there weren't

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Speaker 2: a lot of deficiencies in his game, But I would

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Speaker 2: have to I'd probably see in the top ten that

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Speaker 2: I saw play would be Lynn Bias.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's let's go to uh, his death and

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Speaker 1: the impact on the university. Oh yeah, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: different topic, different different mood. Uh. You go back to

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Speaker 1: the death and immediate aftermath. You actually you sang? Was

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Speaker 1: tell me about that experience and how that happened.

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Speaker 2: Uh. His mom asked me if I could sing at

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Speaker 2: don't think I could do that. It'd be too emotional,

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Speaker 2: too difficult to do. And missus Baia said, well, you

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Speaker 2: do theater, and you sing at theater. It's true. Theater

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Speaker 2: done some research. She knew I'd sang at some other funerals.

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Speaker 2: And I said, after I thought about it for a while,

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, this is this, this is quite

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Speaker 2: an honor to be asked to do something like this

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Speaker 2: it was uh, yeah, I'll try was my response. I'll

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Speaker 2: try to get through it, And I said, what song

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Speaker 4: Going to sing?

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Speaker 2: The Lord's Prayer? WHOA not an easy song. It's not

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Speaker 2: little bit more challenging and difficult. So I'm up in

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking about everything, but what I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: is a casket being rolled down the aisle with the

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Speaker 2: And I got through the song, and as I looked down,

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Speaker 2: and that's when it all went to pieces, and I,

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Speaker 2: you know, I broke down. I got through the song,

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Speaker 2: though I did it. I did okay, And then I

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Speaker 2: when I talked to my wife about it, she said, well,

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Speaker 2: you know something, why are you hesitanting? I said, well,

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Speaker 2: do it. And that's that's what convinced me.

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Speaker 1: What kind of a connection or a relationship did you

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Speaker 1: know them pretty.

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Speaker 2: Well or at that particular time I had. I would

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Speaker 2: and always tell them, boy, you've got a great kid.

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Speaker 2: You have got how proud you must be of your son.

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Speaker 2: But I did that to all the players moments and

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Speaker 2: But I didn't. I didn't really have a deep relationship

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Speaker 1: How did that relationship evolve? How close did you get

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Speaker 1: and what kind of interaction was there and how did

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Speaker 2: I remember missus Bias came to a game and to

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Speaker 2: So I went up in the stands and said, missus

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Speaker 2: And here I was talking to her, fighting back to tears,

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Speaker 2: And what struck me at that point was how positive

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Speaker 2: I've seen her a couple of other times. We did

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Speaker 2: the dangers of drugs. And I think, as she has

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Speaker 2: said many many times, Lynn Bias has been gone longer

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Speaker 1: What do you think drives her frame of mind and

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Speaker 1: what has a lot to do with it. From your perspective,

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Speaker 2: I think, deep down inside it's probably like any mother

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Speaker 2: And I think she's driven by his memory number one,

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Speaker 2: I asked her, I said, when was the last time

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Speaker 2: she points out, as good an athlete as he was,

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Speaker 2: get me. Blah blah blah. I've been doing this for

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Speaker 2: up the wrong numbers. Oh you're gone. And that's what

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Speaker 2: happened to my son. I thought that was a great explanation.

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Speaker 1: And the impact of his death on the University Ethtic

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Speaker 1: Department start with that. What you saw We write about

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Speaker 1: a lot in the book, how it affected Dick dol Lefty,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Ross. The restructuring of the program is so much there.

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Speaker 1: What did you see? Give us your impressions, how you

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Speaker 2: I was doing sports in WMAO and I got to

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Speaker 2: I'm at legal in the More hospital. They just brought

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Speaker 2: a Len Bias in. We think he suffered a heart attack.

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Speaker 2: He said, what at twenty two years old a heart attack?

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Speaker 2: So my boss said, get in the car, go out

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Speaker 2: got a call Len Bias has died. Go to Maryland.

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Speaker 2: The thing to this very day that strikes me is

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Speaker 2: like zombies walking expressionless, pale. You could almost hear a

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Speaker 2: a microscope of Lynn Bias's death. Casting a shadow of

434
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: the University of Maryland. We're down at wake Forest getting

435
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 2: ready to play a game, and Gary and I got

436
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: to do the interview pregame interview, and I'm sitting there

437
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: William going to cross the way? Is the ESPN people.

438
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: They're doing the tees for the telecast. In the tees

439
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: they start off by saying, well, tonight, it's Maryland at

440
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: wake Forest, Marylands still trying to bounce back from that

441
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: tragic death of Now this is years after Gary said

442
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: hold on a second, got up and went all the

443
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: way across. It's hey, guys, let's change that intro. We're

444
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: not bouncing. We have bounced back. Okay, that's nineteen eighty six.

445
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: This is whatever it was, nineteen ninety eight or two thousand, whatever,

446
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: Let's get on. He was living and justifiably saw the

447
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: visions have left you at the press conference announcing after

448
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: they gave him the token job of being an assistant

449
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: athletic director or whatever it was that they gave him

450
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: for what the amount of time he sent after len

451
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: Bias died, and to see him walking out of cole

452
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Fieldhouse with his arms around his wife and daughters, and

453
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: that was that was a sad moment to see right

454
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: there and then going to Lefty's house and talking with

455
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: him and realizing that a coach can't police a person,

456
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: a player twenty four hours a day. You can't be

457
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: with him twenty four hours a day. Yet he was

458
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: the scapegoat along with the athletic director of the president.

459
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Johnny, it comes down a lot to

460
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: lend Len was a twenty two year old young adult.

461
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: He made a bad decision and left. He took a

462
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: lot of brunt Lefty's standard comment and I understand that

463
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: you can't watch these guys twenty four hours a day.

464
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: You can say this, They're going to make mistakes. So

465
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying that. I remember I saw

466
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: I went to I don't know why. I forgot why

467
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I was there, but I went to visit Lefty when

468
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: he was in that position. It's just an ad and

469
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: we're walking through the concourse of Colefield House, and you

470
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: know when we Lefty would walk around. He walks with

471
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: a confident strut and.

472
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: He's John Wayne, John Wayne, Yeah, John Wayne. Oh.

473
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: He was walking. He was walking slowly, his shoulders were

474
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: slumped a little bit. I mean it was a different

475
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: man as you saw Lefty after that. Did you see

476
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: that evolution from him? He came out of it, obviously?

477
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: Did you see that evolution of him?

478
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: I did?

479
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I did.

480
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: I remember going to his house and we did an

481
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: interview at his house after he had press for the

482
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: press conference, and how he had you know, he was

483
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: always full of energy, no energy, and I just felt

484
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: so bad for him for what he had gone through.

485
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: And he I think he understood that. He felt the

486
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: same way. He knew that I felt for him. And

487
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: he always said he said that day, he said as

488
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: much as a year ago. Another interview I did a

489
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: coach about Leonard, Leonard as he always called him. Leonard

490
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: was like a son to me, like a sun to me.

491
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: And I think I think today probably very few days

492
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: go by they didn't. He didn't think about len bias

493
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: and what could have been.

494
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a couple more questions about his legacy

495
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: than I'll open it up to Don and Rich. Uh.

496
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: How did did the way the athletic department reacted uh

497
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: to Len's death and the university? Did that affect how

498
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: you could do your job at all? Did it affect

499
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: how anything?

500
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think so.

501
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: I felt.

502
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: I felt as bad as anybody. I can't even remember

503
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: what the next broadcast would have been. It would have

504
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: been football in September because he passed away in June,

505
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: or the first basketball game we did. But I would

506
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: imagine it was like everybody else, very emotional, very emotional,

507
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: and hard to believe something like that could have happened.

508
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: And I think the worst thing of always seeing the

509
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: people that affected, who threw no fault of their own

510
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: this took place. Uh, they weren't there at two o'clock

511
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: in the morning, at three o'clock in the morning, whatever,

512
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: this thing took place, and they took the brunt of it,

513
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate. But Maryland has moved on, thank goodness,

514
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: and they've you know, Lynn will go on the Hall

515
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: of Fame and Left. He's in the Hall of fame

516
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: and and deservedly so.

517
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Hall of fame, why do you think

518
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: it took so long for him to get into the

519
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: hall of fame in Maryland?

520
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: For coach z l No for left for Lynn, For Lynn,

521
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know what the voter

522
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: think about, to be honest with you, I mean his

523
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: numbers spoke for themselves. I would probably think that what

524
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 2: happened the way that he passed away had something to

525
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: do with it, although I don't know it didn't. I

526
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: don't think anybody, you know, maybe Marcus would know more

527
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: about that than I do.

528
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Well. I talked to some of the board members, if

529
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: from a who were involved in that decision over the years,

530
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: and their reason was there voting members of the m

531
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: club on the board for that committee, who were uncomfortable

532
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: still for so many years, how lens death affected the university.

533
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: So that was and there, and there was a clause

534
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: in the in the UH the criteria if you have

535
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: caused any disrepute to the university, disrepute you could be

536
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: it could affect your nominations.

537
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: So they were young out, they could be shut out.

538
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, sure, well that's you know, that's their prerogative

539
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: to do something like that. But how long are you

540
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: going to abide by something like that? Do you eventually

541
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: have to move on? Are you're going to be stuck

542
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: in time and stuck back in nineteen eighty six and

543
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: not make any changes that maybe on a positive nature.

544
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: So I think finally when they realized okay, the Statute

545
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: of limitations is up, the years have passed. Maybe it's

546
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: a new group of people on that board now, which

547
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: I would imagine there is, and they see things totally

548
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: different than the old school guys did, and they're no

549
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: longer making decisions. And that's why I think he could

550
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame.

551
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember when you first started hearing that he

552
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: was going to be inducted in when he was inducted

553
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, I do not know. Okay, let's talk

554
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: about Bob Wade. You saw it was a tough, tough

555
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: experience for Bob, tough for the plans.

556
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

557
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: What are your recollections of Bob Wade being there, how

558
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: the program had to try to adjust to him, and

559
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: how it affected the program his tenure there.

560
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Well, Coach Wade and I never had any problems. Well,

561
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: we did have one problem. We did have one. Remember

562
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: one time, and I guess it was North Carolina or

563
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: North Carolina State. He asked Greg Manning and I to

564
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: come in the locker room. We want to talk to us.

565
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: So we went in there and Coach says, somebody told

566
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: me that you said on the radio such and such

567
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: and such and such, and I said, yeah, yeah, see

568
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: exactly what we said. I think it was to deal

569
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: with something like free throws. That Maryland had missed maybe

570
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: nine of twelve free throws and they lost by two,

571
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: and we said, had they made the free throws, that

572
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: they probably won this game. So Greg pipes up and

573
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: Greg says, you know, coach, this is early in the seat.

574
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: We're on your side. Okay, we're on your side, and

575
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: we're not going to hammer you. We're not going to

576
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: take shots at you. But we do a pretty honest broadcast.

577
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: Sure everybody knows that we're the Maryland broadcasters. We want

578
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: Maryland to win every single game, but if the other

579
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: team is doing well, you can't ignore that. I'd be

580
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: the same. And Marcus is doing the story. You gotta

581
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: write what you got, what you're seeing, or out you

582
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: lose any time kind of credibil and coach, Oh no, no, no,

583
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm just I said, well, I think Greg got that

584
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: jumped in and said, you know, if we want to

585
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: bury you, we're going to bury you, coach. Okay, but

586
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: we're not going to do that. From that point on,

587
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: we had no problems whatsoever. He was as cooperative, he

588
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: was as nice and I would love to see him

589
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: come back to a game sometime. He still hasn't come

590
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: back to watch any games. And I was in Baltimore

591
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: for an event a few years ago and he was

592
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: in the audience and we got to talk afterwards and said,

593
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: why don't you come to a game? No, you know,

594
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: I don't. I said, Coach, you're gone many many you're

595
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: going back in the eighties. This is twenty eighteen nineteen.

596
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: Come to a game. They would love to say. He's

597
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: an icon in Baltimore still to this very day. And boy,

598
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: he could coach at Dunbar too. He could coach. I

599
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: remember one of the best wins he ever had was

600
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: down in Atlanta. It must have been the ACC tournament

601
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: when he went to the hospital after the game and

602
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: they kept him over at night and beat They won

603
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: that game. They came back to win that game. He

604
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: didn't have a he didn't have a lot of good

605
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: teams outside of the Lynn Bias team and Lynn senior year,

606
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: but he could coach. I think Coach was a little

607
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: bit leary of the media a little bit, and so

608
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: I sat down with him one day and I said,

609
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: you can either take this for what it's worth or

610
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: you can forget it, coach. But I said, the media

611
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: guys are here to do the job, do the best

612
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: job they can. And if they take if they write

613
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: something that's going to be hurtful to you, that's their prerogative.

614
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: But they're being honest in their job. It's a very

615
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: tough job to do, and if you've got a problem

616
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: with a guy, then you got to work it out

617
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: because they can. They can make you and they can

618
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: break you the written line, the spoken word. So you're

619
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: going to have to learn how to get along with

620
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: the media. It's a big this is a big time program.

621
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: It's not done by high school anymore. And uh, so

622
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: I gave him a list of guys. I said, here's

623
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: here's the guys that I like. Here's the guys I

624
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: know you can trust. There's a couple of guys that

625
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm not really crazy about, but that's that's my prerogative, right.

626
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Marcus was not in that group, of course, he was

627
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: in the other group. And uh and he said, oh really,

628
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, so you like you like these fifteen guys,

629
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: I said, I like all these guys and they're good,

630
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: They're really good. Okay, now, whether I helped his relationship

631
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: with the media. I have no idea, but I think

632
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: I got the point across. You got to cooperate with him,

633
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: and he did.

634
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: He did. Don shaking his head though.

635
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: Well maybe the Marcus he didn't cooperate. I can't wait

636
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: to hear Don's story about this.

637
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: I'll get let him commitment. I'm gonna address something Sue Tyler.

638
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Remember Sue Tyler, the cistin ad at Maryland, a longtime

639
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: coach Maryland for many years. She gave us some good

640
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: insight here. She said, Bob, almost from the initial day

641
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: he would show up, go into his office, and many,

642
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: many in the Ethnic department reached out to try to

643
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: help him, and he really didn't respond well to that.

644
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: He tried to do it on his own, and he

645
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't sort of come out of his shell. Did you

646
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: see that I did not?

647
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: No, I did, I did.

648
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: I did not.

649
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm not out there every day, so I don't know

650
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: what goes on every day. But but as I said

651
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: with me, after that first encounter where someone told him,

652
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, I don't like to hear that

653
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: someone told you. Uh, you know, when you're listening to

654
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: a broadcast or reading a story. Uh, you know, sometimes

655
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: what you're reading and hearing isn't exactly what you heard

656
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: or read. And so I convinced him. I said, we're

657
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: on your side, believe me. And I think from that

658
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: point on we had a good relationship. And I hope

659
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: that you know, someday soon you'll come to a game

660
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: at Maryland And I said, coach, when you walk in

661
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: that when you walk in that building, uh, there's going

662
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: to be a lot of people that are happy to

663
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: see you come back. You know, you were in you

664
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: were in a very tough situation to take over for

665
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: coach Brizelle and then not having a lot of success

666
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: winning games, and you know, and then Gary came in

667
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 2: and picked it up and went on with it, and

668
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: the rest is history.

669
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I'll open it up to rich and don don you

670
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: want to start with some or no?

671
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: I mean, uh no, he he he he. He didn't

672
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: trust not only the meeting, he didn't trust anybody really,

673
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: aside from I used to remember Woody Williams, his assistant coach.

674
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: Well what what he was the guy that told him right?

675
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 4: So I I used to call Woody. I used to

676
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 4: call him Schultze from Hogan's heroes because I asked him

677
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: what he what he you know, what was going on?

678
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: And basically his answer was I know nothing. So so anyway,

679
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: but but but by the way, the game you referred

680
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: to when they beat NC State in the in the tournament,

681
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: that was the last game and he got and he

682
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: went to the hospital. That was the last game he

683
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: ever coached at Maryland. Because that's right after I got fired,

684
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: and I remember talking to Tony Massenberg thought, oh, here

685
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: we go again. You know, somebody they thought he was

686
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 4: going to die of a heart attack. That they was

687
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: a blood press. Ye blood you know, blood pressure went

688
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: up too high. The the when when Maryland went through

689
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: this again with Jordan McNair a couple of years ago,

690
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: when when the football player Jordan McNair died, how much

691
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: did it bring back memories of what they went through

692
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: with bias or it was biased? His death completely different

693
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: on a different level because of.

694
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: I think, completely different on they're on a football field,

695
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people are around, a lot of trainers,

696
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: a lot of advisors, a lot of strength and conditioning people.

697
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: Uh So that was a whole different story compared with Lynn,

698
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: who is just with his circle of friends at two

699
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: thirty in the morning. Totally different, I think and feel

700
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: very tragic.

701
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, And talking about Lefty, do you do you think

702
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 4: of all the people at Maryland, Dick Dull, doctor Slaughter,

703
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: the people who lost their jobs because of the legacy

704
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: that left he already had. Do you think that it

705
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 4: impacted him his career and his reputation more than anybody.

706
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Don I know that when he went

707
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: to Georgia went to James Madison and the funny story

708
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: about him coaching at James Madison when they were doing

709
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: television games. He asked if I could do the game

710
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: and I said, sure, I can do the game home

711
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: team Sports. I think we're doing the games, and how

712
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: about can you get Greg to be the analyst? And

713
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, so Greg and I did. I think

714
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: we did eight games and they won all eight games

715
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: at James Madison. And then the first game that the

716
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: that they lost with Greg and I do in the game,

717
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: that was the last game we did, and he had

718
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: somebody else. And then he winds up at Georgia State

719
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: and Greg Manny is his boss. Now come full circle,

720
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: you coach the guy. Now you're you know you're answering

721
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: the guy. Uh. I know how much he loved Maryland,

722
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: but but I think he rebounded nicely, had a couple

723
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: of good coaching jobs. But I tell you, we were

724
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: in UH in Atlanta for the tournament and he's coaching

725
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: at Georgia State. And I see him up in the

726
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: stands and if I hadn't talked to coach since he left,

727
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: since he left James Madison, and so I sent a

728
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: young guy up there to ask him to come on

729
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: at halftime with us. And the kid comes back and

730
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: he said, Coach says, no, after what Maryland did to him,

731
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: he's not going to come on half time.

732
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: No.

733
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: I said, okay, did you did you tell him? Go

734
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: back and tell him it's for Johnny. I'll so you're enough.

735
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: He showed up and it was I wish I'd saved

736
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: that interview. If I can only dig that thing up.

737
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: It was emotional, it was nice. He didn't he didn't

738
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: have any shots in Maryland and takety she shot out

739
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: of him. It was just a good interview and how

740
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: much people, how happy people were to see him coaching

741
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: again at Georgia State. And then we tend to find

742
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: out we're going to, you know, in the same tournament

743
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: bracket with Georgia State out and where Spokane or somewhere

744
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: like that. I don't.

745
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 4: Boise, I think, no, I'm yeah, I'm good. Uh, let's

746
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: go ahead. And by the way, it's six feet six

747
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: feet baskets, I could not seven.

748
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, forward and backward, yeah.

749
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: And not backward.

750
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: But just well, you know you've got time. Yeah, you

751
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: keep working at it. One after another, A day of

752
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 5: great interview, you asked, and Johnny, I appreciate your answer

753
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: where it started off about Lambying a good kid. You know,

754
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 5: That's one of the things I wanted to ask you about,

755
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 5: was just, you know, your impression of him as a

756
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 5: person more so than as a player. And I think

757
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 5: he answered that. But if there's anything you might have

758
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 5: left or that comes back after about him as a person,

759
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear that.

760
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: I think rich the first, when I first heard about

761
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: the hospitalization, the heart attack, and then day by day

762
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: things would start coming out, I found it very hard

763
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: to believe that he would do something like that, very

764
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: hard to believe because he struck me as not being

765
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: the type because of his potential in the NBA, he

766
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: was a basketball player, he was always in good shape.

767
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine someone like him even taking a chance,

768
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: but he did. And that was the thing that struck

769
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: me out him because I never ever saw him in

770
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: the light of doing something like that in that particular

771
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: situation two o'clock in the morning. I would have never

772
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: imagined that, because in my mind he was just a

773
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: great college student athlete and who had a magnificent future,

774
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: wonderful personality, nice, kind, congenial and to this very day

775
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: I shake my head saying what could have been if

776
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: he would have if he hadn't done that.

777
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent with that perspective. I felt

778
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 5: exactly the same from him being around him as a

779
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 5: student reporter and then working at Channel seven and covering

780
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 5: the team doing the Left for Gazelle Show and being

781
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 5: part of that, being part.

782
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: Of the work Channel seven. Let's let's make that clear.

783
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: Well, her Zog's not on right now, so I'll go

784
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: with it. You're my new agent. But you know that

785
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: perspective of him as a young man who did grow up.

786
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: I remember as a freshman, you know, not so much

787
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: the point average versus you know, he was chiseled, but

788
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 5: not to the degree that you are or familiar with,

789
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: or that he became, right, I mean, he really did

790
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: become this as one of our former interviews previous interviews

791
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 5: said he was unguardable in practice.

792
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: Unguardable in a practice. Yeah, that's a pretty good description. Yeah, yeah, yeah, unguarded.

793
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: I'd say that. Well, I think look at some of

794
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: the games he had. He was unguardable when he was

795
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: playing at games too.

796
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 5: Jordan, you alluded to that just a bit. If we

797
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 5: could think about what you did see between them as rivals,

798
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 5: and then let's just imagine for a minute if it

799
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: had all worked out with the Celtics, what you could

800
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 5: imagine it would have been in the NBA, well.

801
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: The Jordan and Bias games, even though Michael left early

802
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: to go to the NBA. I think if you take

803
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: a look at the box scores, they were maybe Len

804
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: Bias had better numbers in most of the games than

805
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: than Jordan did. I mean, I can't swear for that,

806
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: because I haven't got all the box scores in front

807
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: of me. Uh. I think probably Jordan did things in

808
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: a more spectacular fashion with the windmill stuff and the

809
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: flying through the air. But but Lin was Linn was

810
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 2: getting there. He was he was making his own mark

811
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: and and he was getting to the exact level that

812
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: Jordan would have would have was at at that particular point.

813
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: And then when the Celtics drafted him, I'm thinking, Wow,

814
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: this is going to be championship after championship after championship.

815
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: And it reminded me a little bit of when when

816
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: Rick Barry went in the NBA with the San Francisco Warriors,

817
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: became the MVP Rookie of the Year in his first year,

818
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: MVP of the All Star Game, scoring thirty five points

819
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: to thirty six points in the All Star Game. It

820
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: brought back visions of Brick and I'm seeing lend Bias

821
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: possibly doing the same thing. That will never know what

822
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: he could have done, but it would it. It would

823
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: have made the Boston Celtics franchise as dominant as they were,

824
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: even more so as the years went on and on.

825
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 5: You've worked with two people that are tied to lend

826
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 5: Bias in different ways, Greg Manning. Obviously, do you have

827
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 5: any recollections of talking about Len or or anything from

828
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 5: Greg's point of view as you were joined at the

829
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 5: hip for all those years.

830
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Greg would be a good interview for

831
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: you guys to do, because he can tell you from

832
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: this perspective what he saw. I think the thing that

833
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: we both saw was just how grace he was, how

834
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: he just did things so effortlessly. When he was running

835
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: up and down the court, it looked like he was

836
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: hardly putting anything into it. When he was rebounding and

837
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: getting the ball out and streaking down the floor and

838
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: getting the hide pass alley oop and slamming it through

839
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: with one hand, if he was pulling up and taking

840
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: a jumper, it was just we're watching a human highlight

841
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: film here with this guy, night after night after night.

842
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that sticks I think with me

843
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: the most about how he impressed me with his overall

844
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: skill to do everything well, not well, everything above average

845
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: as a basketball player.

846
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 5: Now you're partnered with the Wizard as we talk about

847
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: the university, right, moving through right, what happened with Land

848
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 5: and then then reinvigorating itself, And how do you see

849
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: the credit to Walt Williams his perspective. He grew up,

850
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: he loved Land, he rooted for Land right, he wanted

851
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 5: to stay at home, and he clearly had an understanding

852
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 5: even as a young man about to some degree the

853
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: importance of what he was doing and eventually what he

854
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 5: has done well.

855
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: As Gary Williams has said over and over again, he

856
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: saved the program. He could have very easily transferred somewhere else.

857
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: The schools on probation. He grew up Crossland High School,

858
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: always wanted to come to Maryland. He idolized Len Biased,

859
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: as did so many other young players coming up, and

860
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: he decides to stick it out at Maryland. And people

861
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: may have forgotten the fact he never went to the

862
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament because Maryland was on probation, so he could

863
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: never gain whatever. All these other guys and Lynn went

864
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: to the NCAA tournament four times and twice to the

865
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Speaker 2: sweet sixteen when he played. So what Walt did for

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Speaker 2: this program is, and I agree with Gary Williams, well,

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Speaker 2: he saved it. And he became a revered player at Maryland,

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Speaker 2: one of the all time greats. And as much as

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Speaker 2: Greg and I love watching Len Bias play and what

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Speaker 2: Lynn could do as an individual, Lynn Bias never had

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Speaker 2: the streak that Walt Williams had with those seven consecutive,

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Speaker 2: eight consecutive games. It was a seven or eight down

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Speaker 2: on one of the two where he scored thirty points

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Speaker 2: or more. Yeah, thirty points or more. And that's that's

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Speaker 2: pretty tough to nobody's done that sense. Nobody scored that

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Speaker 2: many points in those consecutive games. Like Walt Williams. He

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Speaker 2: was the same kind He is the same kind of personal.

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Speaker 2: Lynn was, big smile, wonderful personality, willing to do anything

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Speaker 2: for anybody at any time, and to this very day

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Speaker 2: deserves to have that forty two up there in the

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Speaker 2: raptors at expe thirty.

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Speaker 5: Center, Johnny, as any good producer would know, you mentioned

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Speaker 5: an hour, and we're coming up on an hour. So

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Speaker 5: I'll ask you what I think is the last question,

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Speaker 5: and that is when you look up in the rafters,

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Speaker 5: which I know you from time to time do, and

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Speaker 5: you see all those greats hanging up, but more often

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Speaker 5: you see jerseys of an end bias, probably more than

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Speaker 5: any other athlete that's ever played at the University of

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Speaker 5: Maryland that comes back through. What does that invoke in

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Speaker 5: you when you see not only the great recognition above,

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Speaker 5: but also that continually surrounds, whether it be Walt or

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Speaker 5: other young people or even fans that are still there today.

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Speaker 2: I think it shows that basketball fans appreciate what a

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Speaker 2: guy's done for a school. And I think even though

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Speaker 2: the years have gone by in nineteen eighty six when

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Speaker 2: he passed away, and they continue to roll by a

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Speaker 2: year after year, his greatness will never be forgotten. What

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Speaker 2: he did from Maryland's basketball program put him on the map,

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Speaker 2: gave them national recognition, and I think people appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: And it's a whole new ballgame now, a whole new

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Speaker 2: generation of fans. I've got grandkids that never hurd len

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Speaker 2: Bias and then they go to YouTube and watch video

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Speaker 2: highlights and they say, ooh, he was pretty good. I say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a little better than pretty good. Well, he could jump,

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Speaker 2: he could shoot, he could score, he could run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the best tribute to him is

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Speaker 2: to see people walking around at games at other events

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Speaker 2: with number thirty four and Bias in the back of

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Speaker 2: their jersey.

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Speaker 6: Len Bias A Mixed Legacy. The interviews was produced by

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Speaker 6: Daveon Grady and Don Marcus. He had it all from

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Speaker 6: quick and he was so Len Bias A Mixed Legacy

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Speaker 6: is distributed by the eight Side Network for Greatness and Loss.

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Speaker 1: So, let you know, the ball of a memories, Remember me.

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Speaker 2: I hope they do the game