Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It.
Speaker 3: Crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It What
Speaker 3: it Is, What it Is?
Speaker 4: What it Is?
Speaker 1: With a really good guest.
Speaker 3: Today we do a lot of singing at the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we should have done our own jingle. I really think
Speaker 3: we should have. No, I mean, it would instantly go
Speaker 3: to number one and then we be on tour and
Speaker 3: it would just be really hard to do.
Speaker 4: We don't have time, we don't have tw Wait.
Speaker 1: A second, what's happening where your voice sounds different today?
Speaker 2: Well, it does sound a little.
Speaker 4: More sexual, that's what we're asking.
Speaker 3: Well it's a little croaky, actually, Sky and I blame
Speaker 3: Space Mountain because.
Speaker 2: I wrote that a few todays. Yes I did.
Speaker 1: It's that time of year. How many times a year
Speaker 1: do you do this? Only once?
Speaker 4: I go once?
Speaker 1: A ye, tell him what it is?
Speaker 4: Go to Disneyland when it's Halloween time. I love it
Speaker 4: when those villains take over the park. Look at my
Speaker 4: T shirt. I'm in fully in. I've got.
Speaker 1: Your voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still my voice. I was screaming on those rides.
Speaker 1: It replaced it with a full heart. Though full heart.
Speaker 1: It's funny. You like spooky time at Disneyland. I like
Speaker 1: the holidays at Disneyland.
Speaker 4: Do you you know what?
Speaker 3: I did it one time because my birthday is in December, right,
Speaker 3: so I did it one time.
Speaker 4: But it's not I don't know. Maybe I need to
Speaker 4: read you a December.
Speaker 1: A little fake snow, a little Santa sweating, a little
Speaker 1: sweaty Santa on a float, sweat Santa.
Speaker 2: What is he?
Speaker 4: Is he on a float?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: I mean when I was there, Yeah, he was on
Speaker 1: a float and he was waving and there was a lot.
Speaker 1: I was full. I was filled with the Christmas spirit
Speaker 1: at at Disneyland. I didn't see that. It's not I
Speaker 1: got I got in a little bit of I didn't
Speaker 1: get in trouble, but I definitely My mother had a
Speaker 1: hmm about an episode we did.
Speaker 4: Okay, tell me because by the way, you also do
Speaker 4: a hmmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I do I get my hm.
Speaker 2: So Mama Capshaw did a m was our Well.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing about starting being on a
Speaker 1: podcast is that you know there's going to be people
Speaker 1: who know you really well, who are listening, and even
Speaker 1: people who know you really well, who might have, you know,
Speaker 1: grown you and their bodies and then delivered you into
Speaker 1: the world. Here things that make them go mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What was what was?
Speaker 4: Now I'm interested? What was the Mama Capshaw?
Speaker 2: Wow, it was?
Speaker 1: It was? It was during our episode with Zoe about
Speaker 1: sexuality and all all the things, and she was hmmm
Speaker 1: surprised to hear me report that I grew up in
Speaker 1: a Catholic culture. Really given that our home is a
Speaker 1: Jewish home. Well, she was like, wait, hmm hmmm. And
Speaker 1: and I felt like, actually it was funny because I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what, I totally understand why she was going
Speaker 1: hm hm and what the question was. And it was
Speaker 1: when I was talking about the origins and like how
Speaker 1: I feel about sexuality, and when I reported like having
Speaker 1: grown up in a Catholic culture that was when I
Speaker 1: was younger, like when I was younger, younger, and just
Speaker 1: the first idea of sex came about. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I feel informed by having you know, grown up in this,
Speaker 1: you know in this in this family that goes to
Speaker 1: church on Sundays and and you know all the things
Speaker 1: that came along with it, that being said then in
Speaker 1: my teenage years. Yes, I absolutely was in a Jewish family,
Speaker 1: so I kind of I have a foot in both
Speaker 1: in both both in both cultures and homes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, interesting, and they were both equally very influential, right,
Speaker 5: like because religion and culture and customs are He's part
Speaker 5: of who we are and how we're how we're grown,
Speaker 5: and how we're developed.
Speaker 2: I love that. Like, so that was our Dildo Dutchess episode.
Speaker 2: So all the things we said in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the one.
Speaker 4: She was like, he's like Catholic?
Speaker 2: What not? The not the how do we use.
Speaker 4: This in the butt in the She's like, hmm, that's
Speaker 4: the texture getting.
Speaker 3: We do need to have Mama Capshaw on the show.
Speaker 3: We need know for sure we do. First she can
Speaker 3: pick the subject. I think, yes, yes, she needs to
Speaker 3: pick the subject. Maybe we should have her own for
Speaker 3: parenting and see, oh see what you guys have to say.
Speaker 4: Maybe you have differences in your parenting.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, would be kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: It's always so hard because you never stopped being someone's daughter.
Speaker 1: And so for me, there's an equal parts. Mother knows best,
Speaker 1: like I so deeply respect everything she has to say
Speaker 1: and her experiences and the some of them and how
Speaker 1: she can help in so many ways. But then there's
Speaker 1: that you know, teenage part of me that's like, you
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Mom?
Speaker 1: You don't know nothing. Yeah, you don't know, you don't
Speaker 1: know nothing, mom. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: who we have coming on today.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if you've noticed, but my hair
Speaker 3: isn't a big blowout today.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and it did, and it's on theme for
Speaker 1: our guests. Actually, ooh, tell me more.
Speaker 3: Well, we've finally done it. We have finally done it.
Speaker 3: Everybody has been asking us to have someone from Gray's
Speaker 3: Anatomy main cast member on the show, and we Who
Speaker 3: do we have coming on today?
Speaker 1: We have the lovely, the talented, the kind, the generous,
Speaker 1: the smart, gorgeous, amazing. There's a lot more I could
Speaker 1: go for, but you're just gonna say it. Sarah Drew.
Speaker 4: Sarah Drew, Yes.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 2: Captner. I blew out my hair.
Speaker 3: April Kipna style. It's still not a you can't recreate
Speaker 3: a Kiptner.
Speaker 1: She had some bouncy waves she did.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is when I got on the show.
Speaker 3: I was like, I saw her hair and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, can I Oh great, Like I can
Speaker 3: get hair like that.
Speaker 4: And they're like, no, no, no, no, You're gonna.
Speaker 3: Be in a bun for the next thirteen years because
Speaker 3: that that's the Kipner and we make sure that only
Speaker 3: Kipna has the Kipna.
Speaker 1: She's got some good hair, she's got some great hair. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just bring her in because I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's bring the family in.
Speaker 3: Sarah Drew, welcome to call it what it is, holy.
Speaker 2: What it is.
Speaker 1: See I can get we can get hurt of sing
Speaker 1: too exactly.
Speaker 3: We're talking about how you sing a lot on this podcast, Erarah,
Speaker 3: and we're like, we can't.
Speaker 4: We should have done our own jingle, but we decided
Speaker 4: we would have gone.
Speaker 2: It would have been number one.
Speaker 6: It would have been a number one hit, and I
Speaker 6: feel like it could have made headlines and you should
Speaker 6: totally do.
Speaker 1: It straight to the tire with her.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That music money.
Speaker 2: We would have peaked the jingle money.
Speaker 4: It's the the jingle money.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So before you came in, we were saying, the fans
Speaker 3: have been begging for someone main cast member from the show,
Speaker 3: and then first, yes, first, you're the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel so honored.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: We are so honored. We're so honored to have We're
Speaker 1: gonna have so much fun.
Speaker 3: And we asked and then we threw it out there
Speaker 3: into the grays Verse, into the fandom, and we said
Speaker 3: that you're coming on the show, and.
Speaker 1: We just people got bated, they're pumped. I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't planes flying over a studio or anything, but it
Speaker 1: was pretty darn close. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just how many people do you think.
Speaker 6: Can say that they've had a flame up a flane,
Speaker 6: a plane fly overhead with their names on it writing.
Speaker 2: They're not very many people that can say.
Speaker 3: I think you guys need to tell that story because
Speaker 3: maybe people don't know what you're exactly you're referring to.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you go Sarah.
Speaker 6: Okay, So the news broke that Arizona and April would
Speaker 6: be no longer than that, and the fans went bananas
Speaker 6: in the most incredible love Bomby kind of way. And
Speaker 6: there was this one girl, I think her name is
Speaker 6: Lindsay because she visited set like the year two years
Speaker 6: before and took and like hung out with me and
Speaker 6: Jesse and I have pictures with her and her dad.
Speaker 2: And like she's a fan, and she.
Speaker 6: Organized the whole plane thing, so she raw lead all
Speaker 6: the fans to like raise money.
Speaker 2: And then she reached out, I think to you, Jessica.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that's yeah, that's ringing a bell.
Speaker 6: I think she reached out to you just to make
Speaker 6: sure we were both gonna like it needed to fly
Speaker 6: when both of us.
Speaker 2: Were on set during our lunch break.
Speaker 1: I don't think I believed it though. I think I was, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I got this message, but I don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then all of a sudden we were there and
Speaker 1: it was like a blue you couldn't script about our
Speaker 1: or more beautiful day. It was like a blue bird day,
Speaker 1: like blue, blank, gorgeous skies, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this plane goes above and there's skywriting a skywriter.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, wait, it wasn't a banner skywriting just kidding.
Speaker 1: I don't remember things. Well.
Speaker 6: It was a sign that said we love you, Jessica
Speaker 6: Capshaw and Sarah Drew written like a huge plane.
Speaker 2: Lying a flag behind it, and they circled for the
Speaker 2: entire hour.
Speaker 6: Like lunch break, they got the moneysword and around around
Speaker 6: Prospect Studios.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys realized that when I leave, there's not
Speaker 3: going to be a flea that flies by holding.
Speaker 4: Holding the tiniest stamp of a banner for me.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 6: I got like the aftermath of this being fired from
Speaker 6: our family moment. I wound up having to do a
Speaker 6: bunch of interviews and walk a bunch of red carpets
Speaker 6: because the the web series that I had directed was
Speaker 6: nominated for an Emmy.
Speaker 2: So literally like three months.
Speaker 6: After getting fired, I was walking the carbet for Grace Anatomy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's one of those.
Speaker 1: Trippy your life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, trippy industry moments.
Speaker 2: Could be trippy, but the thing, but this is what
Speaker 2: I wanted to get at.
Speaker 6: I was like doing a lot of interviews and everybody
Speaker 6: wanted to know, like, how did it feel whatever? And
Speaker 6: of course, the one sound bite that everybody took and
Speaker 6: was plastered on all the headlines that was picked up
Speaker 6: was Sarah Likin's getting fired to attending her own funeral.
Speaker 4: Oh stop, that's actually a great quote.
Speaker 6: And what I was trying to describe was like were
Speaker 6: unceremoniously let go in a way that felt really mean
Speaker 6: and unjust, and because of that, the outpouring of love
Speaker 6: was ormous that it was like you were sitting there
Speaker 6: watching people say all the things that they love about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did yeah when you I have a question when
Speaker 3: you guys came because you've both came.
Speaker 4: Back to the show, does it feel like coming home?
Speaker 4: Absolutely feel like.
Speaker 2: Yes, But I have no.
Speaker 6: Attachment to it at all, So I think, so there's
Speaker 6: peace where when I was on the show. When when
Speaker 6: you're on the show, you know, you never know what's
Speaker 6: going to happen. You never know if they're going to
Speaker 6: lose interest in your storyline, or if you piss off
Speaker 6: the wrong person, then something's going to happen, Like you
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 2: But when I've just popped back in to.
Speaker 6: Say hello, I have zero anxiety and I don't need
Speaker 6: anything from anybody on that set anymore. They're not responsible
Speaker 6: for my livelihood anymore. They're not responsible for my success
Speaker 6: or my joy. So like it feels very very freeing
Speaker 6: to pop back in because I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, this is a fun spot to come visit.
Speaker 1: When I heard you just say that, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: when you first came, because when I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: you so much because we were going to be here today,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking that, you know, Grace is known
Speaker 1: for just having these incredible character arcs and these journeys
Speaker 1: for these for these characters. Right, you, in particular, I think,
Speaker 1: really started in one place. And I mean, obviously you're
Speaker 1: still ongoing because you're still alive and could go back
Speaker 1: any minute, but you've you are in a far different
Speaker 1: place now. So when you first came, what was that like?
Speaker 1: And did you what was your story did you come?
Speaker 1: Because the joke is that I don't remember anything, evidently,
Speaker 1: just remember anything, don't remember anything.
Speaker 4: I actually had to tell her she was on the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah I think there's a clip of you not knowing
Speaker 6: that my character was with Jesse.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, she didn't. She didn't know. Oh yeah, there is that.
Speaker 3: But she also thought that we came on in the
Speaker 3: same intern class. She was like, hey, you were Jessica
Speaker 3: and Sarah just show and I was like, no, I
Speaker 3: knew you were with Jesse.
Speaker 1: I never said that they were not together.
Speaker 6: Okay, then I think it was this I think I
Speaker 6: mean bad, but I'm not think I think it was
Speaker 6: that have eyeballs and ears.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we were talking.
Speaker 3: Did you know when you got cast, did you know
Speaker 3: like you and Jesse were going to be this massive showmance.
Speaker 4: Oh girl, guys.
Speaker 6: I I was offered a two episode.
Speaker 1: Dark Yeah, that's this is the story I want to
Speaker 1: get at.
Speaker 2: This is the story.
Speaker 6: I came on to get fired and I saw what
Speaker 6: I saw episode I had just done a pilot with Shanda,
Speaker 6: and she said, want to come play for two episodes.
Speaker 2: In fact, here's a funny story.
Speaker 6: I was originally offered the role of the woman that
Speaker 6: George saved and got hit by a truck, and she
Speaker 6: had an episode the end of one season, end of
Speaker 6: season five, top of season six where you the double
Speaker 6: O seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that whole thing I was supposed to.
Speaker 6: I was originally offered that just to do a two episode,
Speaker 6: come play with us for two episodes, and I couldn't
Speaker 6: do it because of a scheduling conflict. So after so
Speaker 6: then yeah, So then coming into season six, she was like, hey, hey,
Speaker 6: are you free for these four weeks or whatever to
Speaker 6: do these two episodes?
Speaker 2: And I was like, sure, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 6: So I came to get fired knowing that all three
Speaker 6: of the other interns were all on a series regular trajectory.
Speaker 2: I was just coming to leave.
Speaker 6: And so I got my character got fired, and then
Speaker 6: I went and I did like mad Men and Glee
Speaker 6: and like super Natural.
Speaker 1: Because as aforementioned, Sarah Trew has been on every television shows,
Speaker 1: on every talent.
Speaker 6: I just like stopped like as a guest that was
Speaker 6: like demon possessed, I was a murderer.
Speaker 2: It's because you're so good.
Speaker 1: You are such a good act you are such a
Speaker 1: but let me say this for a second. You are
Speaker 1: such a phenomenally talented actress. And the fact that you've
Speaker 1: gone from show to show is a testament to that
Speaker 1: and proof of that because you are so believable in
Speaker 1: so many different roles, Like you are a true actress.
Speaker 1: You go from thing to thing to thing, and you're
Speaker 1: very different. So I think that it's just I wanted
Speaker 1: to say that because I just I really believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've said that out loud to
Speaker 1: you to your face, but I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: I think that you're such a phenomenal actress and this,
Speaker 1: this is looking at your whole life in a different
Speaker 1: way and talking to you in this way reminds me
Speaker 1: of that because it's like the whole picture. But I
Speaker 1: remember when you came, and I remember. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I've heard you talk about it. But
Speaker 1: the character you obviously didn't know you were going to stay,
Speaker 1: so you came for the little bit. But if you
Speaker 1: think about what you looked like and who you played
Speaker 1: and who you were when you came, and you look
Speaker 1: at what.
Speaker 6: You look like and who your character was and what
Speaker 6: you played at the end, No, So this I was
Speaker 6: actually just this is an interesting little take on what
Speaker 6: our industry does. I was just telling somebody else about
Speaker 6: this before, prior to my character getting with Jesse Williams,
Speaker 6: I've always played awkward, grading annoying, ugly, duckling, not beautiful people. Seriously,
Speaker 6: all of It's always like the weird stalker who is
Speaker 6: after mister Shue.
Speaker 2: Or.
Speaker 6: The pathetic wife who's married to a man who doesn't
Speaker 6: love her, or the really ugly best friend to the
Speaker 6: Emily Van Camp character in Everwood that like people comment
Speaker 6: on how ugly she is because she's wearing glasses.
Speaker 2: Oh no, wearing glasses.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was ugly until my character started dating Jesse
Speaker 6: and now I play romantic.
Speaker 3: Leads and that's so that's actually I think that's kind
Speaker 3: of fucked up.
Speaker 6: It's super it's because the industry. It's because the show
Speaker 6: tells you how to think about somebody.
Speaker 2: That's just what. That's just the scripts are written.
Speaker 6: The character is designed in mind of like, I want
Speaker 6: you to love this person. I want you to be
Speaker 6: annoyed by this person. I want you to think that
Speaker 6: this person is beautiful. So we're gonna put her in
Speaker 6: situations where everybody talks about how she's the ugly duckling,
Speaker 6: even if she's not ugly, but then you will then
Speaker 6: makes the audience believe they are ugly until the audience
Speaker 6: until the show starts saying, look how beautiful she is,
Speaker 6: and look how pretty, and look how vibrant she is,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, the audience is like.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, she's You're a product being sold. They're advertising
Speaker 3: you to be like a certain way, basically yeah.
Speaker 6: And it's and it's it's written into dialogue that you're
Speaker 6: telling the audience how to feel about somebody. Always like
Speaker 6: that is what is happening in a script. Always if
Speaker 6: you're telling somebody how to feel about somebody, so like
Speaker 6: it's very in and I look, I loved all the
Speaker 6: weirdo characters that I played before moving into romantic leadland.
Speaker 6: And the funny thing is, too, my whole career started
Speaker 6: playing the most romanticist lead of all, Juliete on stage.
Speaker 6: But it was on stage, so it's away. It's not
Speaker 6: like you know, yeah right up in the face.
Speaker 1: What important to mention right now is that I don't
Speaker 1: know of any plastic surgery that you've had, so you've
Speaker 1: always been beautiful. I think what you're what you're talking
Speaker 1: about is the way that the characters talk about you,
Speaker 1: or how you're made up in here and makeup yeah
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I was talking before you came in, Sarah,
Speaker 3: I was like, I blew out my hair today for
Speaker 3: you to honor April Kipner. And when I came on
Speaker 3: the show, I saw you in the makeup chair and
Speaker 3: the hair chair and your hair was like you were so.
Speaker 4: Glamorous, and I was like, oh, yeah, I want I
Speaker 4: want that. I all get that hair.
Speaker 3: And they were like, no, no, You're gonna be in
Speaker 3: a bun for five hundred years. That is the April
Speaker 3: Kpner look, that's her. And so it's so interesting hearing
Speaker 3: you say that the ugly duckling, because you were like
Speaker 3: the blood the g put together, gorgeous doctor on our show.
Speaker 3: In fact, so that like some of us like literally.
Speaker 4: We couldn't even we weren't even allowed anything.
Speaker 6: But she, but April was even when her hair started
Speaker 6: to get blown out, nobody commented on her beauty. Ever,
Speaker 6: because nobody was interested in her, nobody wanted to date her.
Speaker 6: She was the weird virgin, twenty eight year old virgin even.
Speaker 2: And I guess at that point.
Speaker 1: Well, you were kind of making this up. You were
Speaker 1: kind of like a know it all. Yeah, weren't you greating?
Speaker 1: That's an annoying thing to play. Yeah, right, like that's
Speaker 1: just no one. No one wants to deal with the
Speaker 1: know it all.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but in real life, guess what you are too?
Speaker 1: Not in an annoying way, but you are you know
Speaker 1: it all. I'm being in scenes with you, you and Chondra.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm like you literally like stop everything
Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, we hold on, this prop isn't
Speaker 1: where we're supposed to be. Wait, this doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: because I just said previously previously this other thing, and
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 2: Who cares? I have such an issue?
Speaker 1: And Chondra are like I care, I care.
Speaker 2: The logic cast the math cast math.
Speaker 3: For me or I can't say I love that. I
Speaker 3: do love because Sandra was like this too. Sandra was
Speaker 3: a Sandway.
Speaker 6: She was my model when I came on, I just
Speaker 6: like I.
Speaker 2: I would watch Sandra.
Speaker 6: Passionately fight for something about her character or her story
Speaker 6: with with our head writers passionately, and you could see
Speaker 6: there was real respect between. She wasn't just going sucks.
Speaker 6: I can hate this stupid shit. I've never even got
Speaker 6: to learn any of these lines, you know, which we've
Speaker 6: seen other people do. It's like it's who I know.
Speaker 2: But like her.
Speaker 6: Her passion, how much she cared about every single piece
Speaker 6: of the journey of Christina Yang was inspiring it. It
Speaker 6: actually allowed me to have a voice, so my I like,
Speaker 6: I would watch her and go, oh, you can have
Speaker 6: a beautiful collaborative relationship with the writer team, and you
Speaker 6: can be involved in the crafting of your character instead
Speaker 6: of just being a meat puppet, and like, go stand
Speaker 6: in your mark and say the things I told you
Speaker 6: to say. And I really took that to heart and
Speaker 6: they allowed me in to participate in the journey.
Speaker 4: I were watching you and Jesse just be so involved
Speaker 4: in story and dialogue.
Speaker 3: Your YouTube, you know, scenes are like the most watched scenes.
Speaker 4: They have the most views of.
Speaker 3: Anything on Gray's Anatomy, and it's it's a testament to
Speaker 3: both of you. I have a question, what is one
Speaker 3: storyline that you were resistant to do that you weren't
Speaker 3: a super fan of?
Speaker 2: There was, Yeah, there was this one.
Speaker 6: So there was a cochlear implant story where we I
Speaker 6: can't remember exactly. It turned into this conversation between and
Speaker 6: Jackson and I were at that point married, but were
Speaker 6: coming from two completely different perspectives.
Speaker 2: And I was fighting for.
Speaker 6: How to do with a patient, whether they were going
Speaker 6: to give their kid cochlear implants or not. And I
Speaker 6: was fighting from the perspective of that there's this whole
Speaker 6: beautiful culture that is that sund that surrounded with the
Speaker 6: deaf community and with sign language and whatever. He and
Speaker 6: he's from the science perspective of like, why wouldn't you
Speaker 6: fix it if it was a problem. And it kind
Speaker 6: of spiraled into this conversation where we're talking about faith
Speaker 6: and I basically say I feel sorry for you that
Speaker 6: you don't have any faith, and I had. I remember
Speaker 6: being on set and like weeping to Tony and being like,
Speaker 6: I don't know how to say these words out loud
Speaker 6: because I feel like it's so arrogant, and I don't
Speaker 6: want to present a person of faith that is just
Speaker 6: feeling sorry for everybody who doesn't believe what she believes.
Speaker 6: I just like it feels it's everything I want to
Speaker 6: fight against as I'm playing this hopefully multi dimensional, very grounded,
Speaker 6: and real character who's living out her faith in a
Speaker 6: way that resonates with how I live out my faith.
Speaker 6: I don't want to walk down a road where I
Speaker 6: am just shutting saying I know I'm right and you're wrong. Judge, Judge, Judge, Judge, judge,
Speaker 6: because that's the only way people of faith had ever
Speaker 6: been depicted before on television. So I remember like weeping,
Speaker 6: like so many There were so many times when Jesse
Speaker 6: because what I could explain it to him and then
Speaker 6: he could distill it, and then I would get too
Speaker 6: emotional and then he would like translate it.
Speaker 2: We'd advocate for you, Yes, you would advocate.
Speaker 6: For me again from like he comes from a completely
Speaker 6: different perspective, well, like we would do that for one
Speaker 6: another on the onset, you know, which was so sweet
Speaker 6: and I don't remember exactly did.
Speaker 2: You end up having to say the line?
Speaker 6: I think I said the line, but I but it
Speaker 6: we came to a medium, a medium part where something
Speaker 6: I don't remember actly was.
Speaker 2: Behind the line.
Speaker 6: Intention behind was was more of of instead of oh,
Speaker 6: it's so depressing that you don't know the truth, it became.
Speaker 2: More about like, my perspective allows.
Speaker 6: Me to see the unseen and there's magic and I
Speaker 6: wish you could join me there.
Speaker 1: Seeing as an actress, I was a little bit more
Speaker 1: like Jesus take the wheel. If the writers want to
Speaker 1: write that, and I'm going to say that, then I'm
Speaker 1: going to say that.
Speaker 3: I think everyone well, everyone has their own process, right,
Speaker 3: like everyone has what works for them.
Speaker 6: If I wasn't playing a person of faith, I wouldn't
Speaker 6: have fought that harder advocated.
Speaker 2: But because it's.
Speaker 6: Something I know so well and something I care about
Speaker 6: so much, that was you know, if I my role,
Speaker 6: I would had a much easier time on Grace if
Speaker 6: I was not playing a Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So it's like making that quick turn and go Oh,
Speaker 6: this is a whole new way of looking at like,
Speaker 6: I mean, identity.
Speaker 1: What I think was so genius about what the writers
Speaker 1: did was that there were no real stereotypes built around
Speaker 1: me as a character. You know, there was there was
Speaker 1: no direction with hair or makeup or the clothes I
Speaker 1: wore or things I did. It was very much like
Speaker 1: she could be any she could be anything, and she
Speaker 1: was gay.
Speaker 6: Like, well, that's what I love so much. And I
Speaker 6: think what Shanda's writing, what this show in particular sort
Speaker 6: of made a path for, which is to like just
Speaker 6: show everybody and not comment on it all, you know,
Speaker 6: like we don't need to make a whole thing about
Speaker 6: that part of your identity. You're just living your life
Speaker 6: in your skin as who you are, you know and
Speaker 6: like and then and we're representing everybody you can imagine
Speaker 6: while just living our life. You know, there's there's nothing
Speaker 6: so powerful. There's no like sermon you can give in
Speaker 6: an episode that's going to be more effective than allowing yourself,
Speaker 6: you know, allowing someone to be seen in a way
Speaker 6: that isn't just like now we have to know, we
Speaker 6: have to do an after school special about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the only time that I ever had
Speaker 1: issues with words? Is how many times we say each
Speaker 1: other's names. I'm like, I'm not saying not saying her name.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows what her name is. No one needs to
Speaker 1: hear me say April. I say April five times on
Speaker 1: this page. I'm not saying it had the same issue.
Speaker 1: Jesse's like, I can't. I cannot like how many.
Speaker 3: Times April, April April hand me the four steps and
Speaker 3: then afterwards April, I don't understand why you're not April.
Speaker 1: Just open the door. Stop it.
Speaker 2: I know your name, we all know your name.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It's so true.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a random question myself. Okay, I'm Grace. Okay,
Speaker 3: who do you think? This is more like a trivia question?
Speaker 3: Who do you think would have been? Would have made
Speaker 3: the worst love interest for April?
Speaker 4: Kevinor Sloan? Oh goodness, there's no need to even explain that.
Speaker 6: Can I tell you a funny story On the season seven,
Speaker 6: before they made my character Love Jesus and a Virgin,
Speaker 6: there's a scene where Sloane, well, we're Sloan and Reed
Speaker 6: have sex random one night stand that was supposed to
Speaker 6: be me. Originally it was supposed to be April. April
Speaker 6: was supposed to have some random one off with Sloan
Speaker 6: and it was in this. It was in the original
Speaker 6: like production draft, and then they changed it. I didn't
Speaker 6: have anything to do with it, but they changed their mind.
Speaker 3: That would have completely changed the trajectory, trajectory of every everything, everything,
Speaker 3: But that's because fans don't know this. Yeh okay, okay,
Speaker 3: Jessica go u interesting. No, I was actually it's not
Speaker 3: a grades. I was thinking about how the three of
Speaker 3: us if we were to do something outside of Grades,
Speaker 3: Like if we were to sign up for a movie
Speaker 3: all three of us or a series all three of us,
Speaker 3: would we wanted to be a drama, a comedy?
Speaker 1: What do we think?
Speaker 2: Comedy?
Speaker 1: I want us all to be in a comedy.
Speaker 2: I want comedy, I do. I mean, I love comedy.
Speaker 1: Remember when we did The bridesmaid when we were doing
Speaker 1: the covers of the movies, of.
Speaker 6: All the movies, Yes, and that was so fun. We
Speaker 6: gotta do a Bridesmaids.
Speaker 2: We want to.
Speaker 4: That's what we need to do.
Speaker 6: We need to do a Bridesmaid's landish Bridesmaids esque, Romp
Speaker 6: love It.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Romps, you wrote the first sex scene for
Speaker 3: a Lifetime movie, right Christmas Christmas movie, which was a
Speaker 3: Cowboy Christmas, and.
Speaker 4: I just Christmas sexy, gaboy Christmas.
Speaker 3: I just have to know a was was that your idea?
Speaker 3: Did you have to push for it? And did Lifetime
Speaker 3: push back?
Speaker 2: So it was an acquisition.
Speaker 6: So I wrote it and produced it with a separate
Speaker 6: production company and who.
Speaker 2: Loved the idea. But I was basically like, look, I
Speaker 2: am a normal woman.
Speaker 6: I love romance and I love when it gets steamy,
Speaker 6: and like, there are nine thousand rom com Christmas movies.
Speaker 6: Everybody loves Christmas. They love but I know there's an
Speaker 6: audience for people who want to have a little more steam.
Speaker 1: They want to see you doing it.
Speaker 4: I want to have more steam.
Speaker 1: They want Christmas sex.
Speaker 2: I need more, They need a little more spice.
Speaker 6: So I just I had just shot a Western and
Speaker 6: I was in life horseland in my brain I'd had
Speaker 6: like the best time ever and so and so I
Speaker 6: just started doing research on like what's going on with
Speaker 6: ranchers these days in America. I was like, okay, hot cowboy,
Speaker 6: hot girl. And I as I was working on it
Speaker 6: with my my producer, I was like, so like, do
Speaker 6: you think they could like really like get it on,
Speaker 6: like in the middle of the movie, do you think
Speaker 6: that could happen?
Speaker 2: And she's like, I think you should go.
Speaker 6: For it, and so we produced it and we made it,
Speaker 6: and then Lifetime saw and they're like, I'm keeping everything.
Speaker 6: I love it all, and that's what that was the
Speaker 6: their foray into I'm going to try a little naughty
Speaker 6: Christmas maybe once a year. And they just bought my
Speaker 6: second one. Oh it's a sexy carpenter. Okay, tell us
Speaker 6: about this one.
Speaker 3: What is it? Is there steam? How much steam should
Speaker 3: we expect? It's a Christmas movie.
Speaker 6: There's steam, and there's nostalgia of a really fun So
Speaker 6: it's it's about two people that used to have a
Speaker 6: relationship and then coming back together.
Speaker 2: And it's about a carpenter. And if you look at
Speaker 2: the carpenter, my lead.
Speaker 6: Guy, his Instagram Mitchell Slaggert, he basically is the embodiment
Speaker 6: of this character. Like all he does is like play
Speaker 6: with his dogs and build things.
Speaker 3: And he's also so many women are running to Instagram
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: Just from those two.
Speaker 2: He builds the listless most.
Speaker 6: Of the time as he's like chopping wood, his Instagram.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He's literally the most perfect choicefulness he's so good in it.
Speaker 6: And then Sasha Peters from Big Dirty Little Liars Liars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, pretty Little Liar.
Speaker 6: A Little Liars, Sorry, pretty Little She's amazing. So they're
Speaker 6: both amazing in it. But yeah, but but I have
Speaker 6: like a fun nostalgic comment where basically he was like
Speaker 6: her Jordan Catialano growing up, where they would like make
Speaker 6: out in secret, but he would like hide her. Did
Speaker 6: you not get that reference, Camilla?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I just I get the referen I'm thinking like Wonder
Speaker 3: Years a little bit, not one.
Speaker 6: It's Claire Day's, It's it's my so called blat life.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Jared Letto Jared Leto when.
Speaker 4: Made Letto, that's I forgot that that was his character name.
Speaker 2: But I did not like Jared. I know he was
Speaker 2: a jerk.
Speaker 6: Well, this is the issue was that she comes back
Speaker 6: and they had all these steamy makeout sessions when they
Speaker 6: were kids, and then now she's back and there's a
Speaker 6: spark that's regnited, and she's a writer of a romanticy
Speaker 6: novel writer. So she writes wrote like fantasy romance novel.
Speaker 2: This is so good.
Speaker 6: He's a carpenter and he's trying to rebuild this town
Speaker 6: that had like a mass of fire five years ago,
Speaker 6: and so he's been like helping me. It's been shirtless
Speaker 6: for Fuss, shirtless restoring the town for five years.
Speaker 4: Do we get to see this Christmas?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: I think I think they're gonna announce the I feel
Speaker 6: like I feel like it just is coming. The announcement
Speaker 6: is happening like now, like ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, but I think.
Speaker 6: It's December twenty first, I'm like, Okay, we will. It's
Speaker 6: very exciting because the first one was was a cowboy
Speaker 6: Christmas romance and this one is a carpenter Christmas romance.
Speaker 2: And I just love that. Lifetime has been like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's keep doing this.
Speaker 4: I love I love it, I love it for you.
Speaker 1: I love it works. It works.
Speaker 4: I'll be tuning in.
Speaker 6: I got to tell you about Mistletoe Murders, which comes
Speaker 6: out on Halloween.
Speaker 2: So this one.
Speaker 6: I am so excited about this show. It's it has
Speaker 6: like Veronica mars z Esh feel to it. There's like
Speaker 6: a really fun I play this Christmas shop owner, but
Speaker 6: I've got this secret pass that I'm running from in
Speaker 6: a secret identity, and so there's some like badass things
Speaker 6: that come out that.
Speaker 2: You're like, how would she know how to do that?
Speaker 6: But there's people start dying and she has to solve
Speaker 6: these crimes, and it's there's romance, there's comedy, there's action,
Speaker 6: and it's shot really beautifully and it's written really beautifully,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, I could not be more excited about it.
Speaker 4: And when does that airing?
Speaker 6: That's Hallmark Plus, so it's on their new streamer, so
Speaker 6: it'll start dropping every Thursday, starting on Halloween.
Speaker 1: This gives kind of like Jennifer Garner alias.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly said.
Speaker 6: That is exactly what I thought when I when I
Speaker 6: read the script, I was like, because then he sent
Speaker 6: me this whole like file on my backstory and you
Speaker 6: only get little tiny pieces of it. You have little
Speaker 6: eaty bitty flashbacks and stuff about like what what brought
Speaker 6: her to this place? And she's really kind of an
Speaker 6: interesting double life situation.
Speaker 2: It's pretty fun.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I made a connection there were you
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Garner being sort of similar. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: the callic has written in their questions. Emily wrote in,
Speaker 1: and she said, what was the most iconic scene for
Speaker 1: you during Grey's Anatomy?
Speaker 6: Probably the Hello. My name is April Kepnor. I'm twenty
Speaker 6: eight years old. I was born on a farm. I
Speaker 6: got this, you know that one, the speech with the shooter.
Speaker 6: I think that that was like the first moment where
Speaker 6: I think the world really encountered April Kepner.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just got Goosebine where.
Speaker 2: I really encountered April Keptner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Shannon asked, what do you think April will be doing
Speaker 3: now since she left Gracelawn Memorial.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I haven't thought about April in a while.
Speaker 6: You guys, Well, they're still thinking about April. Okay, he's
Speaker 6: in Boston. I think she and Jackson are still together.
Speaker 2: Looked like the.
Speaker 6: Last time I visited they got back together. Unless that changed.
Speaker 4: Can you see them having more children.
Speaker 2: If her eggs aren't dead.
Speaker 1: The baby, we don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a great question.
Speaker 6: I love.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot that answer. Sorry, eggs aren't fried.
Speaker 2: The eggs need to be alive, Yes, they do.
Speaker 1: Those viable eggs. So Freya wrote in and said, how
Speaker 1: is it working on guiding Emily and learning about the
Speaker 1: blind community.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 6: I know that's that would be a long answer too,
Speaker 6: but it was. It was such an incredible experience to witness,
Speaker 6: because I want once one thing I'll share is that
Speaker 6: for a lot of the movie, I'm blindfolded, and it
Speaker 6: was a process to get the stuff on. So I
Speaker 6: would spend like hours completely with my eyes covered and
Speaker 6: having people lead me and guide me to where I
Speaker 6: needed to be. And you you really begin to learn
Speaker 6: like the folks that include you and the ways that
Speaker 6: you are isolated based.
Speaker 2: Up because you can't see anything.
Speaker 6: You're not taking any social cues off of anything, you
Speaker 6: don't know who's come up behind you, you don't know
Speaker 6: where you are, you don't know how you're going to
Speaker 6: get where you're going to go, you know, and if
Speaker 6: you're in a crowd, if people aren't actively including you
Speaker 6: verbally in the conversation, you feel completely invisible. So it
Speaker 6: was very very interesting and I and I you know,
Speaker 6: in my experience, of course, is that I'm on a
Speaker 6: set where I'm the number one on the call sheet,
Speaker 6: so everybody is working hard to make me feel included.
Speaker 6: But I did remember we worked with a few visually,
Speaker 6: partially partially cited and blind actors on the show, and
Speaker 6: I and I would I found myself going out of
Speaker 6: my way when we're all sitting in our chairs to
Speaker 6: verbally include them in the conversation, because I saw it
Speaker 6: happen a few times where people just started having conversation
Speaker 6: in the corner and then she just gets quieter and
Speaker 6: quieter and quieter and quieter because nobody's including her, you know.
Speaker 6: So it's a very very it was very illuminating and
Speaker 6: a really intense journey, and I'm so grateful.
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of that movie.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, hear you talk. I'm also reminded of something
Speaker 1: that I was reminded when I saw you last in Chicago,
Speaker 1: is that you are you have I mean, you're clearly
Speaker 1: we all are, right works multifaceted, there's so many different
Speaker 1: dimensions and things and everything else. But I would say
Speaker 1: something that I know about you from being in relationship
Speaker 1: with you is that you have a through line of
Speaker 1: real humanity and goodness, Like the way that when you
Speaker 1: when you talk about things and when you consider things,
Speaker 1: even when you're being naughty, and you can be. You
Speaker 1: can be naughty. I've had naughty conversations with you, But
Speaker 1: there really is just such a there's such a goodness
Speaker 1: and I find it so exciting and inspiring and warm,
Speaker 1: and it just it always feels really nice to be
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: I have to say that on our set, I always
Speaker 3: felt like when I joined, there were certain people that
Speaker 3: felt like a comfort blanket to me that I just
Speaker 3: felt like warm, so much warmth from Jessica. Not the
Speaker 3: first year that was like a spiky cactus.
Speaker 1: But it was cold as ice, like an icy bath.
Speaker 3: No, but there were certain and it's like you always
Speaker 3: from day one, Sarah, I have to say that, like
Speaker 3: you were and I miss I miss you so much
Speaker 3: on our set.
Speaker 4: We're getting a little nostalgic.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to hop back into some questions really quick.
Speaker 6: Before you have to go, I want to just say
Speaker 6: thank you. I really just appreciate you reflecting that both
Speaker 6: of you. That means like it's it's it's that that
Speaker 6: feels an affirmation of what I hope I am, and
Speaker 6: it's that that reflects the purpose that I have in life.
Speaker 2: So it really, no, you really are acting that's who
Speaker 2: I want to be.
Speaker 1: So I I and you are and in the land
Speaker 1: of the yes. And because we talked about the yes
Speaker 1: and so much right, I always say I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what paradox was until I was like in my thirties.
Speaker 1: But the yes and the yes, and we've clearly said
Speaker 1: while you can be all that goodness, like I said,
Speaker 1: you used to annoy me with all your note illness
Speaker 1: on set.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You are, Chandra. You guys can it the same place?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: I remember, big, I remember a big conversation with you
Speaker 6: because I changed something in the moment and you were like, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my boundary. Okay, Sarah, this is a
Speaker 1: boundary I'm setting.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then by the way, I.
Speaker 1: Probably was like, is that okay, this is my boundary.
Speaker 2: You hear about your boundary?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I loosten you just you're hearing
Speaker 1: it from two people. I can be cheap is.
Speaker 5: Not the right word.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's not what it is.
Speaker 1: I can be, I can be I can be suparn
Speaker 1: like I can get like immovable.
Speaker 2: We've talked about that. She's she's look, I am.
Speaker 6: I admire the way that you're able to establish boundaries
Speaker 6: because because it also comes with the other side of you,
Speaker 6: which is like I will burn this motherfucking house to
Speaker 6: the ground to defend you. You know, it is it's like,
Speaker 6: it's it's the it is a strength, and I I
Speaker 6: think I probably allow myself to get bowled over too,
Speaker 6: unless I annoy someone into submission.
Speaker 2: Actually I disagree with that.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
Speaker 3: I think that you I watched you both because I
Speaker 3: was the new beyond st with you guys. I think
Speaker 3: that you both were really strong voices on that set.
Speaker 3: I didn't get any element of like being afraid to
Speaker 3: sort of fight when you needed to have, you know,
Speaker 3: fight for what you loved about the character, because it
Speaker 3: always came from such a it always came from a
Speaker 3: great place. There was nothing ever remotely Gidiva, all those
Speaker 3: things that actors can beat. It was never ever that.
Speaker 3: And so I feel like I learned so much from
Speaker 3: watching both you guys, truly, really honestly and slowly found
Speaker 3: my voice, you know, like a million years later. It
Speaker 3: takes time, but it's so great watching It was just
Speaker 3: so great watching you guys.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's why we were fired, Jessica, No, no, this is.
Speaker 1: That's a different episode.
Speaker 3: That's a different episode with a glass of wine.
Speaker 1: Again, we just funny, but we're the luckiest people in
Speaker 1: the world because truly, at almost the end of every
Speaker 1: episode that we record, we want more, so we always
Speaker 1: leave it.
Speaker 4: Are you already done?
Speaker 5: I know went fast, It went really fast, and you
Speaker 5: know what it does.
Speaker 2: I only can take answer one fan question. Sorry, guys, no,
Speaker 2: we're going to have you back on.
Speaker 3: This is not this is just the this is the
Speaker 3: introduction of Sarah Drew to our show, or so many
Speaker 3: more questions.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously there's you know, people, the people
Speaker 1: want to know what they want to know, but also
Speaker 1: if you have things that you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: or if you have a topic that you're psyched about,
Speaker 1: like we're obviously already set up to do this, so
Speaker 1: you know know any.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, one hundred percent. It's open door policy here
Speaker 3: for miss Sarah Drew.
Speaker 4: We love you so much. You wait to talk to you.
Speaker 3: And we can't wait to see all that the new
Speaker 3: TV show that's coming out Halloween Messletie Murders. Right, we
Speaker 3: have the Christmas the Christmas Carpenter. We can't wait, the shirtless.
Speaker 1: All the sexy.
Speaker 2: There's shirt there's some shirtless. It's great.
Speaker 4: We love it. We love you, Sarah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 4: Bye.