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Speaker 1: To tease and a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Camridge Edge.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to other episode of batwats. Now today

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Speaker 2: we have Julie and Todd Chrisly. Now we all know

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Speaker 2: who Julian Todd are TV personalities best known for starring

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Speaker 2: and Chrisly knows best. Julian Todd co host their own

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Speaker 2: podcast titled chrisly Confessions. Todd and Julie also most recently

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Speaker 2: known for the mass singer as the Croissance, And that's

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Speaker 2: what I really want to dive into. Julian Todd were

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Speaker 2: convicted of tax evasion and bank fraud in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk a little bit about that and the

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Speaker 2: fact that they were pardoned by President Donald Trump and

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Speaker 2: reunited with their family.

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Speaker 3: So let's get to it. Helloy, Welcome, Welcome, guys.

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Speaker 2: I never thought Todd, when I met you, what fifteen

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Speaker 2: years ago at an event and it was Atlanta or something,

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Speaker 2: that I would be reunited with you on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, you look amazing.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We have not we have texts since you've been home,

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Speaker 2: but we haven't actually talked, and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't know that we.

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Speaker 3: Used to talk a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we did.

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Speaker 2: Guess my mom, no disrespect Julie, but my mom has

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Speaker 2: the heuts for Todd.

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Speaker 4: We all know that she's been my girlfriend for a year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And in fact I was texting him. I was

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Speaker 2: texting you when you got out right, and then I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm with my mom. How's my girlfriend doing? She's so excited,

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Speaker 2: you guys, the Croissants, the Croissants.

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Speaker 3: Who comes up with that name?

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Speaker 4: You know? The show?

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Speaker 6: They presented it to us, and it was when they

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Speaker 6: presented the theme of what the costume was going to

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Speaker 6: be because we had lost Nick to a motorcycle accident

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Speaker 6: and Nick was French and Nick was huge, and.

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Speaker 4: When they brought that to us, it was kind of

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Speaker 4: like a Gnide from Ham.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I didn't put that to

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Speaker 2: that together. I mean, obviously, the outfits, the song Jelhouse

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Speaker 2: Rock right, the black and white stripes, the ball and chain,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's out. I think that everybody pretty much

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Speaker 2: knew it was you guys. I I mean I knew

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Speaker 3: I knew your voice, Julie.

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Speaker 2: Like Julie did a good job. I would have thought,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, who that is. But your voice just

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Speaker 5: Todd, it did? I think so too. I said the

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Speaker 5: same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question. When you're singing in that outfit,

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Speaker 3: is that like pre recorded you actually sing and that, yes,

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Speaker 3: yes you do. You can't you can't ask for a

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Speaker 3: little auto two.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think they probably helped me out a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, can you just like have me pre recorded

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Speaker 3: and autotune it? Because I don't want to kill these

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Speaker 5: I felt the same way.

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Speaker 2: Right, So when they came to you and asked you

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Speaker 2: to do this, where you're like, were you a fan

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Speaker 3: Is it something you thought, Oh, yes, let's definitely do this.

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Speaker 5: You know, I had watched the show, and then I

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Speaker 5: watched when Savannah was on the show. I actually watched

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Speaker 5: when I was in prison. She was on that season,

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Speaker 5: and so it was kind of a full circle moment.

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Speaker 5: I was a little apprehensive because I don't sing at all,

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Speaker 5: and Todd does. He's a much better singer than I am.

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Speaker 5: So the ball and Chain was very on point.

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Speaker 3: I'm playing you guys did a good job with your singing.

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Speaker 6: You know, I had never seen I had never watched

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Speaker 6: the show and Tamma. You know, for years, I don't

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Speaker 3: And you didn't have TV in yourself.

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Speaker 4: We did, but I didn't watch all this. I was

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Speaker 4: too busy on my cell phone.

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Speaker 3: You got a cell phone and a TV. That sounds

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Speaker 5: It was. It wasn't a TV in your cell You

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was listening with headphones and the whole bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did real hard time though, compared to him.

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Speaker 3: Really, Yes, that's messed up, Julie.

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Speaker 5: It's very messed up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 5: Worried about him and hell, he was running the whole place.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what am I I'm o where you're

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Speaker 5: worried to death. I'm like, oh my gosh, I wonder

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Speaker 5: what he's eating. He's so picky and I knew how

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Speaker 5: bad prison food was. Little did I know he was

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Was he and working out? We see working out?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Well I'm trying to keep I'm trying to

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Speaker 6: catch up to you and Eddie.

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Speaker 3: It's not hard. We're getting we're getting old, Todd.

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Speaker 4: We're getting old. We all are, my friend.

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Speaker 3: So was it hard to keep this a secret?

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Speaker 6: It really wasn't as far as like everyone else in

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Speaker 6: because we couldn't tell them. We couldn't tell my mother

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Speaker 6: and Savannah figured it out. We were actually on the

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Speaker 6: lot in our trailer, and Savannah sent a text and said, Dad,

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Speaker 6: are you doing masked singer?

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Speaker 3: Does she have Life three sixty on you?

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Speaker 6: And she knew exactly one someone that knows her that

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Speaker 6: was there on the lot message try and said, oh

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Speaker 6: my god, I just met your parents. They were lovely,

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Speaker 6: So she knew they were tied that they were there

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Speaker 6: on the set, and so she commised, says, don't lie.

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Speaker 6: That's the only place, that's the only show you could

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Speaker 6: be shooting, right there on that lot that I can't talk, Savanna,

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Speaker 6: I gotta go.

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Speaker 3: So it's a pretty quick turnaround though, to adhere to

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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, people might.

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Speaker 2: Think, yes, that's a good one. It's a quick turnaround though,

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Speaker 2: right from the time you filmed the time it airs,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty quick, just a few months or so.

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Speaker 3: So that's not too bad. Even I can keep that secret.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: Robin had a feeling that two of you were due

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Speaker 2: from a canceled TV show. How does it feel for

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Speaker 6: Like we're not Obviously we're not canceled because we're still

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Speaker 6: airing on Bravo, e USA and Peacock, right, but the

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Speaker 6: you can't cancel us, only God cancels us.

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Speaker 3: Well, here you are, Todd, You're not canceled.

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Speaker 6: And you know, my thing is that my our identity

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Speaker 6: parents of children, and that's where that's where our identity is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when you were unmasked, Todd, you said you've done

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Speaker 2: things that are more difficult than Massinger.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, yes, you have time time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Are you able to see other people that are competing

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Speaker 3: Are you kind of isolated?

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Speaker 6: You're sequestered in your own trailer. You have to have.

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Speaker 5: Literally when you get before you ever get out of

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Speaker 5: the car, you have to put on the mask and

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Speaker 5: a hoodie and glass and gloves and literally it says

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Speaker 3: That's like Traders.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I would like to see you guys

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Speaker 2: both be on Traders.

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Speaker 5: That's a yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's a Emmy Award winning.

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Speaker 4: And I never know what people are talking about.

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Speaker 3: It's about killing people, Todd. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. Yeah, backstabbing, killing.

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Speaker 4: Partner.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I was on season two.

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Speaker 2: It's now blown up to just this shoe. If you

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Speaker 2: haven't watched it, I'm telling you need to watch it.

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Speaker 2: It's really good competition reality show. It's it's filmed in

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Speaker 2: Scotland in a castle like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you are literally in jail there.

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Speaker 6: They cover you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they You are in a room, you're not allowed

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Speaker 3: And you eat ship food.

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Speaker 4: That's like prison.

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Speaker 3: That's why I said, I go, this is like prison.

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Speaker 3: Take they take everything away from you.

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Speaker 3: Drink alcohol.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've never had alcohol anything. That's good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a lot. I don't know. That might give

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Speaker 3: That's what that's true?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: How were you guys able to talk when your way?

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Speaker 2: No, I refuse to say you're in jail. I refused

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Speaker 2: to say, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Uh, we were not able to speak, so

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Speaker 5: we didn't talk for twenty eight months. We had email,

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Speaker 5: but the email, you know, is through the prison email system,

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Speaker 5: so it's very antiquated and it's you know, they monitor everything,

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Speaker 5: which is fine. Uh, but it was hard. It was

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Speaker 5: hard to like even to keep a conversation going because

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Speaker 5: it's like, I sent an email and then by the

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Speaker 5: time it was reviewed and approved, and then it was

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Speaker 3: Oh like in a month later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like it was hard to keep it,

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Speaker 5: to even keep a conversation going, honestly, but no, we didn't.

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Speaker 5: We didn't speak for the entire time. We were gone, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, crazy, that could be lovely. No, I'm sorry, sorry, Eddie,

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Speaker 3: it's just joking, joke.

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Speaker 4: It was crazy.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you've been relatively quiet on social media,

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Speaker 2: which only leads me to leave that you are working

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Speaker 2: on another reality show and we're going to see all this.

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Speaker 3: I'm no dummy to this.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen years in this industry, I'm like, oh, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: he's doing they're.

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Speaker 6: Doing something, you know, Listen, t We're very busy and

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Speaker 6: God has blessed us in more ways than I can

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Speaker 6: even than I even share her.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Savana and I are doing a project in March.

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Speaker 5: It's out of the country and it's just the two

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Speaker 5: of us. There'll be other people on the show. So

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Speaker 5: we're doing that.

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Speaker 3: Can you say what network?

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Speaker 5: an Amazon project, Okay, through Amazon, and then Todd's gonna

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Speaker 6: I'm there for like two I think two and a

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Speaker 6: spending her cooking show in February. I'm doing that often.

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Speaker 6: You know, Savannah was a fearless and tireless warrior for

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Speaker 3: You like you could have it all.

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Speaker 4: Oh. I gave all my away to my kids. It

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Speaker 2: You've been a little vocal about making friends while you're

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Speaker 5: So take out not even like, okay, they were convicted

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Speaker 6: And you know, we came home and made the twenty eighth.

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Speaker 4: I got ninety seven home.

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Speaker 4: They didn't want that out there.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that why do you

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Speaker 3: Am innocent, I did not do this. Why do you

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Speaker 6: Well, we know why it happened, because it's now come

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Speaker 6: No, I think he should be six feet under so

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Speaker 3: And what a horrible way to be away.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, sure, but Tamra, it is a horrible thing

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Speaker 4: Julie and I did not do hard time. We were

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Speaker 6: I could have had it way worse and had it better.

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Speaker 6: But I look at what so many other people have

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Speaker 6: make sure even if you did it, even if you're

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Speaker 4: We should be giving them a hand up, not stong

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Speaker 6: And we should not be judging people based on their

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm fifty seven years old. I think that

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Speaker 5: And it's bad in the prison.

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Speaker 2: Now, Julie, you said you had worse time in prison.

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Speaker 2: I remember reading things about you were having health issues.

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Speaker 5: Well no, not that was kind of a miss miss whatever.

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Speaker 4: That was the way the press gets it wrong.

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Speaker 5: It was a medical facility, but the women they were

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Speaker 5: It was just the My conditions were worse than where

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Speaker 5: he was.

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Speaker 6: You know.

449
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 5: I also had to go through a transit process when

450
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 5: I won my appeal, which was horrible because that you

451
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 5: are treated like you are in jail. You're in you're

452
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Speaker 5: in jail. There is a real con air uh airplane

453
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Speaker 5: that you are on. So yeah, it was. That was

454
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Speaker 5: fifty two days and that was horrible. I mean it

455
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 5: was horrible. I was out in the county jail on

456
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Speaker 5: the middle of Oklahoma one in Atlanta.

457
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Speaker 6: It was crazy.

458
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Speaker 3: How did you deal with just mental health issues? Because

459
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: as a mother, I think it's maybe might be a

460
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Speaker 3: little bit easier for men. They're a little bit stronger,

461
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: they're supposed to be. That you're taking away from your.

462
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Children, you're isolated, Like I just feel like I know myself,

463
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Speaker 2: I would just be in the deepest, darkest depression of my.

464
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Speaker 5: Life, right, you know, I think because it's something that

465
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 5: we had dealt with for so long, because this all

466
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: started back in like twenty twelve, and so I think

467
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 5: the moment that I walked through those doors, it was

468
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 5: almost a relief because it was like, Okay, this is

469
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Speaker 5: I know, I have to do this. I get over

470
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Speaker 5: with kind of time. This is the beginning of the end.

471
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Speaker 5: And that's how I lived in there every day and

472
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Speaker 5: I was able to see my kids. I was able

473
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Speaker 5: to see my parents because I was only a three

474
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Speaker 5: and a half hour drive from that, which was nice.

475
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Speaker 5: So that was good. But to say there weren't hard days,

476
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 5: absolutely there were hard days, you know, but you you know,

477
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Speaker 5: you do realize that you there are so many that

478
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 5: have it so much worse, you know, because for sure people,

479
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: their families have turned their back on and their kids

480
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 5: have turned their back you know. So I really had

481
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Speaker 5: nothing to complain about when it came to that at all.

482
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Speaker 2: Your Yeah, your presidential pardon did not come without backlash. Ye,

483
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: people went after Savannah. People were saying some crude things

484
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Speaker 2: that she did to make this happen. Did you guys

485
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: get a lot of backlash? Like if you're out and

486
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Speaker 2: about do you?

487
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Speaker 4: No?

488
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Speaker 6: Not really?

489
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Speaker 5: And you know what, I think our backlash and I

490
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Speaker 5: don't think I feel this that our backlash was not

491
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Speaker 5: really that we got a pardon. It was more so

492
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Speaker 5: that we were pardoned by President Trump. Yeah, you know,

493
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Speaker 5: it's more so the people that have their feelings about

494
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Speaker 5: President Trump. It was that I've had people come up

495
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Speaker 5: to me all the time and say, I don't like

496
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Speaker 5: President Trump. I don't, I'm not I'm not a Republican,

497
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Speaker 5: I don't vote this way, but I'm glad that you're

498
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 5: outally had people say that the backlash or more so

499
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Speaker 5: that it's not really about us at all, it's about.

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Speaker 2: Well, you guys were an American sweetheart couple, you know,

501
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: and it was just so difficult to see and you

502
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: know who I really felt bad for your mom, Todd,

503
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: like I just you know, she's older.

504
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Speaker 3: This is hard on Ever.

505
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Speaker 6: It was devastating from my mother because not just because

506
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 6: because my mother's with.

507
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Speaker 4: Us every day.

508
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it wasn't just because I was No mother

509
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 6: wants to see their child go to prison. But it

510
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 6: was like my mother was giving up two of her

511
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 6: children because she has such a relationship with Julie. That

512
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 6: and I'm grateful to be able to say this. I'm

513
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 6: not offended in the least. Julie has a My mother

514
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 6: loves Julie more than anyone else in the world.

515
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: My mom likes Eddy better too, just in case makes

516
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: you feel better.

517
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Speaker 6: And you know, and Julie does everything for my mother,

518
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 6: and so that was hard on her.

519
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 4: But again, we learned.

520
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 6: So many lessons from this, and we got to see

521
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 6: each other from a different perspect and we got to

522
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: see how strong we all truly are. Even if we're separated,

523
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 6: the strength is still there. And that's a wonderful thing.

524
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Speaker 6: You have children, and you know that you want you

525
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 6: want to know. You start thinking of, now, are my

526
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 6: kids going to be okay when I when I die? Well,

527
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 6: this was kind of like a death because we were removed,

528
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Speaker 6: So at least now we can see that our kids

529
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Speaker 6: are going to survive and thrive even after God decides

530
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Speaker 6: to call us home.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like with Savannah, there's got to be

532
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: some long term trauma for her having you guys gone,

533
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: and then having to hold down the fort and make

534
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Speaker 2: the money and you know, deal with the younger kids

535
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: and things like that, Like that's got to be really

536
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Speaker 2: difficult for her.

537
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Speaker 4: You know, it absolutely is.

538
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 6: You know, Savannah is very good at compartmentalizing.

539
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 4: I'm very good at that.

540
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 6: And you know, when we have something that's had Savannah

541
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 6: and I tend to put it away and you know,

542
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 6: in our minds we've dealt with it, we just shove

543
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 6: it away and then it creeps back in.

544
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: This lady afty eight years old and just started therapy,

545
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: and you know, Julie's not of that same Juda is

546
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: not that same way.

547
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 6: Julie wants to kind of like dig deep down and

548
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 6: get this all resolved and let's talk about this. I

549
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 6: I was never that way. You know, I did want

550
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 6: to talk about everything, and I wanted to get to

551
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 6: the bottom of it. But once in my mind I

552
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 6: had reconciled that I was at the bottom of it.

553
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 6: I'm not talking about it anymore.

554
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: That's how am you know, Savannah.

555
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 6: You know, when you talk about the pardon Tama, it

556
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 6: was so disconcerting because the whole world.

557
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: You know, if whether you're a Democrat or you're a Republican.

558
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Democrat side wants to say, you know that

559
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 6: you're pro women, you're pro woman, but yet it was

560
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 6: women that was tearing her down. And at the end

561
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 6: of the day, you know, for you to attack a

562
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 6: young girl who has done nothing but be kind and

563
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 6: generous to everyone in her life, she's a sweetie, and

564
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 6: then to go on talk shows and say, wonder what

565
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 6: she did to get those pardons.

566
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: M Well, it's all political, and you know where we're

567
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: at in the world right now. You know, we're really split,

568
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: and people on social media are horrible, yes, and there's

569
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: horrible things happening in our world right now.

570
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: So it's it's a difficult thing, right And.

571
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: You know, Tam, I get asked all the time.

572
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Speaker 6: You know, Todd, you're in You're in Hollywood, You're you

573
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 6: know know, we're not We're in Nashville, you know. So

574
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 6: I have a lot of friends and people that I

575
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: do business with in Hollywood. I do, and you and

576
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 6: I share a lot of the same contacts and things,

577
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 6: and I love my I love my friends that are

578
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 6: on television and doing other things. But we all don't

579
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 6: share the same political beliefs. No, and that's okay.

580
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: I don't share them with my own family. Like you know,

581
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: everybody is entitled to their own belief.

582
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: And we have to respect that.

583
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 5: We were both in prison with every kind of person

584
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: that you can possibly imagine. But there is not one

585
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 5: person that we either of us were in prison with

586
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: that were all that if they have been offered a pardon,

587
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: I don't give a damn who they voted for, who

588
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: they liked, they would have accepted it and said.

589
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: That's sslutely. I tell that to people like housewives and stuff.

590
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: They're like, these people are coming after red social media.

591
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 7: It's so mean.

592
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: I don't have to take it.

593
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: I go.

594
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: Do you really think that they wouldn't schade places with

595
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: you right now?

596
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: Right exactly?

597
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 7: Shut up, Just shut your mouth.

598
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: But thank you guys so much. I am so happy

599
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: to see you face to face.

600
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: You know, I love you guys, I love your family

601
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: and you guys. If you haven't tuned in to mass

602
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: singer you got.

603
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: To tune in Tama. Thank you so much, God blessed.

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00:29:50,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: We love Yes, we love you. Okay, bye guys, y