1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP, Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now. 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Welcome in the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May fifth, JP, Shadrick, 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier a draft review on the docket 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: today and it's good to see you guys again on 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: the Official Jaguars Podcast Network, presented on Apple, iTunes, Spotify, 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast. Give us the five 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: star treatment as always, Bucky, Welcome back to Jaguars Football. Hey, JP, 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: I've missed you guys, Like I feel like you guys 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: are having so much fun because I was looking in 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: on the coverage, the instant analysis, you and j O 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: just just serving up all kinds of stuff and I'm 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: just sitting there like, man, I felt like the kid 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: that was a punishment and everyone is playing outside and 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: I'm stuck to my own front yard. I couldn't come 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: out to play. I couldn't go out to play. You're 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: having all the fun. So what was going on? Like 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: what you had NFL Network Radio, You had all this 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: stuff going on, these grating shows. I mean, we had 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: a bunch of we had a post, had a bunch 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: of stuff. So Thursday night in the first round, when 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: you guys were like having a blast and I'm texting 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: you like, I'm I'm doing Fox Sports Radio with j Glas, 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Kevin Burkhard and LaVar Arrington, which is cool. And then Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: I was doing NFL dot Com like instant analysis after 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: the drafts and when you guys were doing the recaps 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: and the pods and stuff, I couldn't get on. By 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: the time I got done, You're like, oh, dude, we're 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: we're already, We're on. We're on to the next one. 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I catch up with you on Tuesday, like 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: when we're Tuesday was day We're done. We're all done. 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: So now it was fun, but it was It was 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: really fun watching the draft with the Jaguars being the 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: lead right, being the number of the first pick in 35 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: the draft, kind of owning the draft with the early 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: picks in each round. It was just kind of funny 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: to watch that process and then the watch Coach Meyer 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: and and Trent Balky kind of working. I guess shop 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: at the brand name stores because that's what I what 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: I would equate it to. But it was fun. It 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: was fun to watch JP. I keep trying to figure 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: out when we had all this fun Bucky things we 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: had saw I saw you having fun after the pick. 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: It would pop up on Twitter than boom, I see 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: you got spaces and then all the other stuff. You 46 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: are running back and forth, and some of it I 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: couldn't hear, but I could see the smiling face. I'm like, man, 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: they having a party down there. They have a party 49 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: down there in Duval County. I missed the party, but 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: party came Saturday night and Sunday. And I'll say, that's right, 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: that's right. We've made up for for it. Um. But 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: certainly everybody was involved in the party. After the selection 53 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence, a quarterback out of Clemson, there were 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: about eight thousand people here Bucky for the draft party 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: in the stadium, socially distanced and Ashland Sullivan, who you know. 56 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Of course, she was in there reporting for us and 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: said she saw grown men crying after the pick. True story. 58 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: And I mean it was a scene. It was an 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: emotional will seem like everybody knew it was coming, John, 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: and it still was an emotional moment because it's a moment. 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: This franchise never seen. As I told Ash, I cried 62 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: over the weekend too, but I cried most days. And 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: it's not about the draft, you know, it's it's more 64 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: about the sorry state of of me. But as a 65 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Jags fan, I sort of get that emotion. And you're 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: so into it, and you've been, you know, frankly ridiculed 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: by a lot of people for so long, and and 68 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: there isn't us against them mentality this fan base has 69 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of fans have been waiting for a 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: moment like that for a long long time. It shows 71 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: you the It could be argued that it's it's a 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: little twisted to cry, but I like that twisted element 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: of our fan base. JP I really did. I do too. 74 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure Bucky does also. I mean, I'm with it. Look, 75 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: it's a it's a big moment, right, It's it's a 76 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: big moment. I saw a coach Meyer say, like the 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: number one picking in Jaguar's history, and I was like, well, 78 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, not not quite, not quite history, but yeah, 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Trevor. Trevor is a big moment unless we 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: do in the official reset and everything previously doesn't matter. 81 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: But it is a significant moment because there's a relevance 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: that comes with taking Trevor Lawrence just because big time 83 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: star brand name coming in. We've heard about him since 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: he was a big time high school recruit. He goes 85 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: to Clemsony win the national title. Um, he's expected to 86 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: be the number one overall pick, and we get him, 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: and so now it's about all right, So we finally 88 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: got the franchise quarterback. You can make the argument that 89 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: we've never really had a five star quarterback in Jacksonville. 90 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Now what does it mean? And so when you think 91 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: about the league man a quarterback driven league and super 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: Bowls being tied to the top quarterbacks, it gives us 93 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: an opportunity to dream about what could be, what could 94 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: be on the horizon for the franchise. I agree with 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: what I felt like was in Buckey's sentiment that there 96 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: are some drafts here in the nineties, especially the first draft, 97 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: in that I understand exactly what Urban saying. When it's 98 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: the biggest pick and it is the biggest pick, I 99 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: don't want to give short shrift to that draft because 100 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: there was something about everything being a first back then 101 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: that was very very important. So I don't, you know, 102 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: everything else will sort of equal that to me, if 103 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: you will. But that being said, the unbelievable opportunity and 104 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: the flashpoint, turning point sense of this pick JP. I 105 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: think you and I talked about it over the weekend 106 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: when Bucky was big time and they you could make 107 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: the argument, this is the biggest star to enter the 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: NFL since Peyton Manning entered the NFL. You know what 109 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: I mean by that, the brand being so established. Everybody 110 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: knew Peyton Manning was JP. I think you're old enough 111 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: to have remember his college years. Everybody knew Peyton and 112 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: the whole Eisman stuff. I mean, this was a huge 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: brand name to enter the league. I don't know that 114 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: there's been a bigger brand, a more well known superstar. 115 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: Everybody sort of loves this kid. Everybody knows who he is. 116 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: Has there been one since him? I mean, this is 117 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: the biggest star to enter league in twenty three years. 118 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure it's that close. Yeah, Mike 119 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: was Mike Vick. He was a big name, but it 120 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: wasn't this well YEA, and I guess the combination of 121 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: it big star, which I don't think anybody would doubt 122 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: the Lawrence is a star. Vic was a big star. 123 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a big deal, but there were 124 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: questions about what that was going to look like, meaning 125 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: how well his game would translate a prototyp. I mean, 126 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: there was all sorts of stuff that you weren't quite 127 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: sure what kind of quarterback he would be, which I 128 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: think that was a fairly fair question all throughout his career. 129 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: A mega star, but you weren't sure that that was 130 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: going to be a great quarterback, and it turned out 131 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: to be Luck. Sort of the opposite of that. I 132 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: think with Luck, you knew. I don't think there's ever 133 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: been a quarterback. I've never seen a quarterback that I 134 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: knew for sure it was going to be as great 135 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: as Andrew Luck. When he was coming out, I was 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: dead sure he was going to be great, But he 137 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: wasn't quite the star that Lawrence and Manning were. Football 138 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: people loved Luck, but he had played at Stanford. They 139 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: had been on TV some, but there was not the 140 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: brand name of Andrew Luck. I don't think there's a 141 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Bucky. I don't know if you see it 142 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, no, no, I think I see it 143 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: exactly how you see it. Trevor Lawrence is clearly a 144 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: bigger star than Andrew Luck was. Andrew Luck was celebrated 145 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: and lauded as a potential number one picked for a 146 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: long time, but he didn't have the star power. Some 147 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: of that has to do with, uh, Trevor Lawrence playing 148 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: on a big stage, winning a national title as a 149 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: freshman and having three years of that to continue to 150 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: build and establish his brand. There's something to that, and 151 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: let's be honest. Also, like Trevor Lawrence plays in the Southeast, 152 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't play in the SEC. But Davo Swinney had 153 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: wanted to build a team that was SEC like, and 154 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: so the way they played, the brand of football, the 155 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: proximity from Clempson to Jacksonville, but really Clemson being a brand, 156 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: being a team that is always in the college football playoffs. 157 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we saw Trevor Lawrence every weekend, 158 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: particularly when it mattered, and the face of the sport. Yeah, 159 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: and you always saw him at night it was yeah. 160 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: So so, so Trevor comes in with the level of 161 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: cash and recognition that we haven't seen since Payton Manning 162 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: inter the league because Peyton was there and Peyton went 163 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: back for that fourth year. He went back for a 164 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: senior year that even further establishes brand. And so Trevor 165 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: certainly is, and he certainly enders the league with a 166 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: different level of cash and some of these other number 167 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: one picks will enter. And Peyton didn't win the Heisman. 168 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: Think about that. I mean, that's crazy to go back 169 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: and think about that. Garls Wilson, that was the Charles 170 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: Woodson year. It was unbelievable. But Charles woods stick, and 171 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: that it does. He never told me that he couldn't 172 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: be Florida. He could darn shirt beat Alabama a fact. 173 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: Holy smokes. This is the Huddle Up Podcast j P Shadrick, 174 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: John Osher, and Bucky Brooks reviewing the Jaguars draft and 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: the second first round pick overall, Travis e t n 176 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: Trevor's teammate at Clemson the old time a C C 177 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: rushing leader. And you know he's said in his press 178 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: conference the day after that, you know, the last year 179 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: or two I really worked on trying to become a 180 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: more complete back out of the backfield, catching the ball, jugs, 181 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: masching extra time with Trevor throwing it to me. Paid 182 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: off because he's a first round pick. But it's, uh, 183 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: it's something that. You know, urban Meyer said, he's not 184 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: just gonna be a running back. We're gonna put this 185 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: guy all over the place. Bucky, can he do all 186 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: that stuff? Line up, outside, motion, backsfield, everything. Could he 187 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: be that Percy Harvin idea? Now, if he does that, yes, 188 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: he can be Percy Harvin. Because what Percy Harvin the 189 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: way they use him at Florida. I think that's the 190 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: best way to think about it. He was there h back, 191 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: meaning he touched the ball running back, he got it 192 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: on fly sweeps. They're throw him a bubble screen and 193 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: those things. I think that is a more valid comparison 194 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: then the Alvin Kamaras stuff that has been floated out there. 195 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: I don't see at the end as a guy that 196 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: is a pure route runner, natural pass catcher that he's 197 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: going to catch a hundred balls like Alma kamar or 198 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. But what he is is someone who needs 199 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: to We need to have a touch meter, Like if 200 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: this was a game and we were producing it, there 201 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: needs to be a graphic in the corner that says 202 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: a t N touches. He needs to get it fifteen 203 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: times a game in some way safe a form to 204 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: make sure that he has an impact of the game. 205 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: I will say his speed is real. You can feel 206 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: his speed and you watch him on tape, and speed 207 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: translates to big plays. He is an explosive, big play back. 208 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: And I know, uh, Urban talked about a third down 209 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: back or whatever. Ay, I give that third down back 210 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: maybe two weeks of training camp and then and then 211 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: we'll see him kind of nudge James Robinson over a 212 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: little bit and get some of those number one reps 213 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: because he is a very talented player and you want 214 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: to give him every opportunity to have an impact of 215 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: the game. I think everyone will be utilized, but I 216 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: have a hard time thinking that we're going to go 217 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: games where he doesn't get at least fifteen touches in 218 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: some combination of carries and receptions JP. I may have 219 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: mentioned this on the show we do with Blucky during 220 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: the draft. I forget, but it's almost to me as 221 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: if all the questions I've gotten that are negative towards 222 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: E T. N are well, why did they take a 223 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: running back when they already have one? I almost think 224 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: you have to look at these guys is playing completely 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: different positions when they drafted E T N. I mean 226 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: exaggerating this because I haven't been in the draft room. 227 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: I almost think of it as they probably in their 228 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: minds had a handful of players where when they looked 229 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: at him, it was big play, speed guy, and it 230 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: didn't matter if it was a wide receiver or a 231 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: running back or whatever. That I don't know that RB 232 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: or w R played as much into their thinking as BP, 233 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: meaning big play. I don't think this was about need 234 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: in terms of positional but to me, it was about 235 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: need in terms of them saying we did not have 236 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: enough players who scared the pants off of defenses last year. 237 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: We need guys who scare people. And I think that 238 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: was what this pick was about more than it was 239 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: about position. And Urban said it after they asked him 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: what was the pick that got away? It was scarious Tony, 241 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: Like you know so, so I'm glad that you brought 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,359 Speaker 1: it up. I didn't know Coach Mayer were so transparent 243 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we had eyes on Darius Tony. But 244 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: if if you think about it, everything for him always 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: goes back to Florida and Percy Hart. When he builds 246 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: his offense, he builds it with that in that position. 247 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: The h back in mind, and the eighth back is 248 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: the best athlete, the most explosive player to occupy that role. 249 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: When he was at one on one matchups. One on 250 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: one creates stress for the defense, whether it's on fly sweeps, running, 251 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: getting it out to him, the ability to go deep, 252 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. He did it with Percy Harvin, 253 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: he did it with Paris Campbell, Curtis Samuel those. There's 254 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: a certain type that he likes to occupy that position. 255 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: Travis Etienne, I bet was the next one. You know, 256 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: if they're going down the checklist, because Darius Tony, he's 257 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: off Okay et En and so even if Naja Harris 258 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: was there, Naja doesn't offer what et En would offer 259 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: as a running back because it's a running back. Plus 260 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: what else can you do? What else can you bring 261 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: to the table. It's about scoring points because we hear 262 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: him talk about scoring point explosive plays, big plays, speed 263 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: factors into that, and so that's why E T. N 264 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: had to be the pick for them about about both 265 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: of them on the field the same time at ten, 266 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: James Robinson, you know you gotta respect the speed outside 267 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: opens it up in the inside for Robinson a little bit. Yeah, 268 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: I think I think that certainly is going to be 269 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: in play. But I'm gonna say this about Robinson. All 270 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: the stuff, the great stuff that Robinson didn't last year. 271 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Robinson is going to have to convince this coaching staff 272 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: that he's really to do like those numbers or whatever. 273 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: Like some of them will view him like a bag 274 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: of potato chips, a lot of empty calories, right, so 275 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: they want to see how many of those rushing yards 276 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: in totals can he do with impact and value. So 277 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: early on he may get the night as the starter. Right, 278 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: let's just say he gets to Night as the starter, 279 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: But early on those first four games, he is going 280 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: to have to prove that he can be the RB 281 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: one to continue to stay in there. Because that running 282 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: back position for coach Meyer has always been one that 283 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: he's always had to do. And so the guy who's 284 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: the RB one has to be a legitimate dude that 285 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: we can imagine getting a hundred yards week after week 286 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: after week to really be the anchor of the offense. Well, 287 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: now you're speaking my language, Bucky. I know all about 288 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: empty calories. I know this is the Huddle Up podcast. J. P. Shaddick, 289 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier. We moved along to day number two, 290 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: thirty third overall pick, and Trim Baky said, you know, 291 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: this is the one where the phonal ring some. But 292 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: it was pretty evident early that they were going to 293 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: make a pick at thirty three and you could never 294 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: have too many good, tall, fast cornerbacks. And they go 295 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: with Tyson Campbell, a guy who can play in and out. 296 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: But it feels like, here, guys, John, it's gonna be 297 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: an interior situation for Tyson Campbell and that's okay. He's 298 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: gonna be on the field a lot, I'll say quick, 299 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: and I got a Bucky's way. You don't want to 300 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: hear his thoughts on it. You need more than two 301 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: good cornerbacks. I said it all weekend. I cannot figure 302 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: out why people criticize the concept of this or or 303 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: why people thought that it mattered for C. J. Henderson, 304 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: because in the NFL right now, if you go into 305 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: a season thinking, Okay, I've got a couple of corners, 306 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm good. Well you're gonna lose and your nickel cornerback 307 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: and this has been coming and growing stronger and stronger 308 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: and stronger for what the last ten fifteen years. Your 309 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: nickels a starter. If you don't have a good nickel, 310 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: you're losing third down all the time. It is a 311 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: really interesting situation, right because people will talk about that 312 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: because there was some pushback on the pick, like why 313 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: would it take a quantity just to see j Henderson 314 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: a year ago? Here's the thing, you build your team. 315 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Two things. One we didn't know going in how much 316 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: impact and influence coach Meyer would have on the draft, 317 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: Like I just didn't know because Balki had been there 318 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. But now if you go back and look 319 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: at the teams that Urban has constructed at Florida in 320 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Ohio State, it would be easy to see that, oh, 321 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: he's gonna get a dB and he's gonna get one 322 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: high The best teams that he had at both of 323 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: those places had high end cornerbacks in the National Football 324 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: League and nickel about seventy percent at a time. And 325 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: so you have to have three guys that can start 326 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: that nickel. That third corner cannot be a throwaway, and 327 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: so you have to invest in the position. And when 328 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: you think about the way that Indianapolis plays, they can 329 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: use multiple wide receivers. Traditionally, the Texans have always been 330 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: uh an eleven personnel, one back, one tight in three 331 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Team Tennessee can float in between eleven personnel 332 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: and traditional twelve personnel with two tight ends on the field, 333 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: you have to have long knuckle corners to be able 334 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: to match up Tyson Campbell c J. Henderson. It makes 335 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: sense to have those two young guys and then whoever 336 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: is the yell on the other side with the tre 337 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: Hernan or whoever like, you have to have three that 338 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: can play, and so it was really important that they 339 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: got that at that other corner. Let's move along now 340 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: to a little later on day two, another second round pick, 341 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: Walker Little, they tackle out of Stanford, and then in 342 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: the third round Andrew Cisco Andrew Andre Cisco excuse me, 343 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: out of Syracuse, the safety, and both of these guys 344 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: haven't played football at all while I mean Cisco gets 345 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: hurt early last year or the knee issue, and then 346 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: this is the rest of the season. Walker Little hasn't 347 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: touched the field and during your two years, by the 348 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: time this season comes around, he got hurt Earlyer nineteen 349 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: opted out this past year. So there's a little bit 350 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: of the I don't know roll of the dice, but you. 351 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: You're trusting the tape and trusting the people who've been 352 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: around these guys, and also the tackle six seven, three 353 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: twenty and that never hurts and can move right, Bucky. 354 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they don't grow on trees. Now, they don't 355 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: grow on trees. So now what we have talked about 356 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: the recruiting aspect of how Urban you relied on his 357 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: college experience when it came to the draft. In college, 358 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: what you do is you always gamble on the talent. 359 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: You gamble on the talent. Give me the best and 360 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: most talented kid. My job is to develop him to 361 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: maxim out to get him to that level. Some guys 362 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: view it differently when they get to the NFL. They're like, hey, 363 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: give me a small school guy, I'll take him, I'll 364 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: develop him or whatever. What is very clear to me 365 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: is Urbans using the same philosophy. Yeah, I get that. 366 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: Give me the five star kid, the kid that has 367 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: all the prototypical measurements and dimensions. Then we'll bring him 368 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: in the program and we'll create a program for him 369 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: to be able to thrive and succeed. You have to 370 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: remember this was the number one offensive lineman when he 371 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: came out in this high school recruiting class. He was 372 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: a five star player. He was a guy who goes 373 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: to Stanford, which is supposed to be an offensive line factory. Yes, 374 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: he gets hurt twenty nineteen since our so it's been 375 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: two years since we've seen him. But man, what you're 376 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: gambling on is you don't necessarily need to put him 377 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: in the lineup right away. So what you're gambling on this, 378 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: Let's get him on the field, Let's teach him, Let's 379 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: see if he pops during preseason and practices and those 380 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: things where we can get him in. But in two 381 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: we've be walker a little to be a starting player, 382 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: and so it might be insurance behind Cam Robinson. It 383 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: might be a we can reconfigure the line to put 384 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: the best five on the field. But that is why 385 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: I walk a little. Dear Andre Cisco is a different 386 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: case because before we talked about the other guys are 387 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: prototypical in every way or whatever. Cisco was a three 388 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: star recruit. But what he makes up for in terms 389 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: of lack of prototypical stuff, you can't dispute the production 390 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: thirteen interceptions in twenty four games is ridiculous. Guys who 391 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: get their hands on the ball in college, tend to 392 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: get their hands on the ball in the pros. And 393 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: I think if you listen as you went back and 394 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: you read the transcript, his ability to give a very 395 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: detailed explanation on how I go about getting the football 396 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: and how I go and make plays, and my preparation 397 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: and studying and getting in the game and seeing if 398 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: how the quarterback is playing matches up with what I saw, 399 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: and then in the second and third quarter when I 400 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: get the hunch, I go, that's next level stuff. And 401 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: so I can imagine him being very impressive in the 402 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: Zoom interviews when it comes to being able to detail 403 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: the game. And because he even talked about knowing the 404 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: defensive back coach Chris ash knowing him in the recruiting 405 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: trail and being able to have that chemistry and connection, 406 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: I just can see where heat early on is going 407 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: to be on the field. And I would think he's 408 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: going to be the leader in the back end because 409 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: as safety high i Q production and performance, you need 410 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: to have one of those guys in the middlefield. I 411 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: think Cisco plays that role. I love both these picks 412 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: JP and and I'm usually not somebody during the draft. 413 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, we were together for seven eight nine years. 414 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: Usually with the draft, I'm like, okay, let's wait and 415 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: see ten years John seven eight nine, I mean, come 416 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: on together. You're always gambling in the draft after the 417 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: first round. To me, if you're not a first round 418 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: or there's gonna be something that you don't know about 419 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: the guy. To me, the A C L stuff, especially 420 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: for a tackle, I don't care about it. That's fine. 421 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: That's two years removed. He'll be fine on that front. Uh, Cisco, 422 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: he's a young guy. I don't know that he'll be 423 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: a hundred percent to start of the season. But the 424 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: instincts I care about the A C L us at 425 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: safety than I do at corner anyway, because of the 426 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: quick twitch stuff. I don't doubt with technology these days, 427 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: the A c stuff we're put in their past. I 428 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: hear a lot of people criticizing for taking Walker a 429 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: Little who didn't play. That means nothing to me. With 430 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: the COVID stuff, plenty of guys had weird situations coming out. 431 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that matters one iota to be both 432 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: of these guys. Little also played at a high level 433 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: when he played the one year he did play, and 434 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: Cisco played at a high level. There's no such thing 435 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: as a sure thing in the NFL. But to me, 436 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: second third rounders for these guys, I think both of 437 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: these picks are going to wind up being outstanding picks. 438 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that's just my gut, maybe I'm just blind to it, 439 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: but I think these are these make more sense. I 440 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 1: don't mind the Campbell pick, but I like these two 441 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: picks even better than the Cambell pick. And by the way, 442 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: to the Finn Walker a little a little more for 443 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: this opt out. Last year, remember the Pac twelve decided 444 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: to not play football and then yes, very late in 445 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: the process, like, oh, you know what, we'll play six games, 446 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: like well, and now of a sudden talked down for 447 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: it's your day. Yeah, why why would you want to 448 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: play at that point, he's already halfway to the draft, Like, 449 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't need to risk it now 450 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: it's November. Let me just know. You can't hold that 451 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: against him. Yeah, And I think I think that's important 452 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: to know. And that's that's really a great point to 453 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: bring up in his defense the Pact. The PACTWO was 454 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: dragging their feet to all the other conferences. SEC said, 455 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: we're playing the big ten had a late turn and 456 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: those guys play, so you can't hold it against those guys. 457 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: But here's what I say, the third round, second round, 458 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: third round, you're still looking to get started. So to me, 459 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: the round value and where they were selected means that 460 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: the Jaguars have a plan to get these guys on 461 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: the field and for them to be key contributors. And 462 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: so Walk a little we have to see because he 463 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: has to play his way into that lineup, but man 464 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: great insurance policy for the offensive tackles, and he gives 465 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: them an opportunity to be creative in terms of how 466 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: they maybe re shuffle the line going forward. Andre Cisco 467 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: is a baller and if not for the a c 468 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: L injury that he suffered early in the year, I 469 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: mean in pregame warmers like this dude should have been. 470 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: It could have been a first round talent that goes 471 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: a little higher in the second round to get him 472 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: where they got him. Man, that is tremendous not only value, 473 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: but really a great player, and it really continues to 474 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: stick with the Jaguars in this draft. They made a 475 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: commitment to get players. There are not many projects of 476 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: guys that were like, hey, we don't see the production. 477 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: But hey, he's a he's a project. We're gonna we're 478 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna get him here, and he's everything is on paper 479 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: where you can see the production, and some scouts don't 480 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: believe in that. I'm kind of in that favor. I 481 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: need to see it before I can believe it, and 482 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: I think what the Jaguars are doing. No, I need 483 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: to see that you're a good player before I believe 484 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: that you're a good player. And so that's where they 485 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 1: went after. They didn't go after these guys who they 486 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: appear to have everything, but you never see the production 487 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: to match the town. This is the Huddle Up Podcast 488 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: J P. Shatrick, Chodd Osher and Bucky Brooks and those 489 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: who place deposits for new season tickets. The seats selection 490 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: process is well underway, so check your email, visit Jaguars 491 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: dot com or called nine oh four six three three 492 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: two thousand. We continue on the Huddle Up Podcast with 493 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: our draft review. Let's go to day three and let's 494 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: start with the guy that Urban knows very well from 495 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: the recruiting trail. It was down to Ohio State and 496 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Southern Cow apparently for j to Felly, and he picks 497 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Southern Cow and Urban said he's gonna make him pay 498 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: for that when he shows up for rookie camp in 499 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Big strong dude up front, Buy, 500 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: big strong dude up front, powerful player. We talked about 501 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: the best defenses are are dominant right down the middle. 502 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: So I just raved about Andre Cisco for about ten 503 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes, and that's He's the guy that can 504 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: be the ornament at the top of the tree, but 505 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: it starts in the trenches. T Felly has all of 506 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: the size, strength and power that you want to see. 507 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: And what we're getting is what I would call a 508 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: new and improved version of the guy that we saw 509 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: because during his time away he talked out taking care 510 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: of his body and more importantly, taking care of his mind, 511 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: so it could be in a good frame of mind 512 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: to really max out all the talent that he has 513 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: on the inside. Better shape, better fitness. We're getting a 514 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: guy that's on the verge of being a breakout guy 515 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: that can be a monster. We saw it last year. 516 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: We couldn't stop the run on early downs. If you 517 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: can't stop the run, you don't earn the right to 518 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: rush the passer. He should help the run defense, and man, 519 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: if we can get teams backed up in the long 520 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: yard of situations, that's when it can become fun. When 521 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: you really can unleash the edge rushers Josh Allen and company, 522 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: you can start blitzing and doing some of the fun 523 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: stuff that create turnovers. But it starts with having a 524 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: run stop on the inside. And this guy does have 525 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of the ability to rush the passer. 526 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: I really like the bix nice nice spot to get 527 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: him where they got him in the third. Let me 528 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: ask you this, if he plays this year, I never 529 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: went over all in the fourth. If he had played, 530 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: would he have been picked higher? Probably? Yes, yeah, just 531 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: because the uncertainty over people treated the opt outs in 532 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: very degrees because you didn't know you know. Um. I 533 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: think if he plays and he shows people on tape 534 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: that he can be the finisher, he's improved as a 535 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: pass rusher, he absolutely goes higher, particularly in a class 536 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: that was deemed as a weak defensive tackle class. If 537 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: he flashes any of that, he goes up. I think 538 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: some some prospects got ding because they didn't play, and 539 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: sometimes out of sight, out of mind when it comes 540 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: to making the selections off the draft board if you 541 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: were going to get a tackle this year, and but 542 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: you can disagree with me, but I think you'll agree 543 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: if you're going to get a defensive tackle this year, 544 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: you had to take a chance on something. Because there 545 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: was no such thing as even remotely close to a 546 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: perfect prospect the defensive tackle. It was a bad year 547 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: for it. So I think anybody would say that they 548 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: probably needed to address it somewhere because they struggled so much. 549 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: This is about his safe and his sound and approach 550 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: to it as you could have in this draft, because 551 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: this kid might be really good. So I thought it 552 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: made sense, and I particularly thought the next pick you're 553 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: and asked us about made sense JP. But go ahead, sure, 554 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: because Trader Trent showed up and moved up in the 555 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: draft and threw us all abone and traded that seventh 556 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: rounder away to get Jordan's Smith, the defensive end from 557 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: the University of Alabama Birmingham. John. I don't know how 558 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Jordan Smith is going to translate. I mean, there's some 559 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: he obviously there's some questions about him, or he wouldn't 560 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: be available there as an edge rusher. But to me, 561 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: in a draft where most people thought that it was 562 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: not a particularly deep draft overall, so you essentially gave 563 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: away a seventh round pick to move up to get 564 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: this guy. Well, if there was ever a year to 565 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: give up your seventh round pick, it was in this one. 566 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: So again, I don't know how Jordan Smith's gonna play out, 567 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: but the draft approach to me made sense. If you 568 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: could find somebody to get out of the seventh round 569 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: in a year where you thought it was, and you 570 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: thought this kid was a big time pass rusher in 571 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: the making, then go ahead and burn that to move 572 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: up nine spots. Now I'll have to see how he 573 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: actually worked out, because again I have no idea if 574 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: you'll translate, but the thought of it made sense to him. 575 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense. And just 576 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: so we understand Day three and the fourth through seventh round, 577 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: those are the guys that are deemed your developmental prospects. Right. 578 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: If you hit on anybody on day three, those are surprises. 579 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: Those are quote unquote you're hidding gyms. Uh. Typically there's 580 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: something that's missing that led them to be Day three picks. 581 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: Normally it's either medical issue, there's a character issue, might 582 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: be football character or anything. Maybe whatever something character wised, 583 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 1: they may lead them to do it, or is just 584 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: they haven't fully developed there's something that's missing. I would 585 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: say this we talked about in terms of his ability 586 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: to be a player. He didn't play last year. Jordan 587 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Smith is interesting to me because he's a former four 588 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: star recruit who started off at Florida, has some transgressions there, 589 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: finds his way to bother the community cause then ends 590 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: up at you A B. So this is another big 591 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: school player blue, a player that goes to a big 592 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: school and then makes a different route to end up 593 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: at U A B. You see the size because the 594 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: size is a legitimate big time player. He has the 595 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: length and those things that you expect, and you've seen 596 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: the flashes doing his time when he's played at a 597 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: higher level. So now it's about can we get him 598 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: in the program and give him an opportunity to showcase 599 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: all the talent that really made him a very intriguing 600 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: recruit when he's coming out of high school and made 601 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: him an intriguing prospect that made him a fourth round 602 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: pick during this time at U A B. Look, I 603 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: don't think there's any risk in that, and I think 604 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: what you saw by maneuvering around Urban might have PopEd. 605 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: Valling be like, hey, I want that guy, Let's go 606 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: get him, and they made the move. Hey, let's go 607 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: get the guy that we want, because that's what you 608 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: do because the odds are better of the fourth round 609 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: guy popping, then necessarily the seventh round guy that would 610 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: have popped. The Huddle Up podcast Jap Shatrick, John Osier, 611 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks. We move along to Luke Farrell, tight 612 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: end from Ohio State. He knows him well because he 613 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: played for Urban Meyer State. That helps their close friends 614 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: of the family as well. The the draft room phone 615 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: call was pretty fun there. John win Urban got hey, Luke, 616 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: you're going to be a Jaguar, and let me talk 617 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: to your parents. They couldn't believe that they were here, 618 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: and John's that's pretty cool. Now, Let's let's be honest here. 619 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: Look Farrell as a blocking tight end, he's not going 620 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: to be an immediate threat down the field, so you know, 621 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: and he's a fifth round pick. Let's see how this goes. 622 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: John Well, I think Bucky will allude to this because 623 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: think he wrote about it. They clearly believe that they 624 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: need to be able to run the ball. Next year, 625 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: and they clearly believe that tight end, which a lot 626 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: of times from server's point of views and overlooked part 627 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: of the running game. They believe it's darn important. That's 628 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: why they win. God Man hurts, and they clearly believe 629 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: they need a second guy after Man Hurts to be 630 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: a quality player in that spot. So I think that's 631 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: what he is. I think it shows you how they're thinking. 632 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: They believe they need to run the ball effectively to 633 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: help Trevor Lawrence next year. They do not want Trevor 634 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Lawrence having to carry things in Week one of two. Now, 635 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a combination of urban Meyer's 636 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: longtime philosophy. They want to run the ball. The tight 637 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: end position is a hybrid position as half offensive tackle, 638 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: half wide receiver um. But really, when you want to 639 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: run the football, you need a guy that's basically an 640 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: offensive linement. They made a commitment to make sure they 641 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: got that and so that will enable them to run 642 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: the football. If you look at Brian Schottenheimer and Darryl 643 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: Belvo the way that they were able to do things 644 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: in Seattle when both of those guys were coordinators there, 645 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: it was about running the ball in Seattle never had 646 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: a notable Titan. Yes, they brought Jimmy Graham and but 647 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: really they've never had a big time ted in make 648 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: contributions in the past. Game it was about running the 649 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: football and being able to be physical. But I think, 650 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 1: really what we're seeing because Ohio State uh player, Um, 651 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: we saw two Clemson players a Stanford player Syracuse. To me, 652 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,239 Speaker 1: this is about assembling a bunch of players that are 653 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: used to winning and winning at a high level. And 654 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: when you're trying to change the culture within the locker room, 655 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: you have to create an environment where you have a 656 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: bunch of winners in the locker room because guys who 657 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: are used to winning are more likely to buy into 658 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: the message when Urban is talking in the front of 659 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: the room, and this is what we need to do 660 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: to win well because those guys have done similar things. 661 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: And one, there's not going to be a lot of 662 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: hesitation like well, I don't know, hey, let's do it. 663 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: And so I just like what I've heard from all 664 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: the guys that have come in, from Trevor and Travis 665 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: Inn and they were talking about a man, we gotta 666 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: earn it, we gotta go get it, we gotta did 667 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: it every day. We gotta prove ourselves. We gotta do this. 668 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: Everybody has talked about putting the team first, and some 669 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: of those can say, hey, those are canned answers. But 670 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: when you have so many guys saying the same thing, Now, 671 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: this is how they're built, and you change the culture 672 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: inside out, you bring the right players in with the 673 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: right messenger, it's going to change. And so I'm more 674 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: optimistic now than ever. Things are going to happen. They're 675 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: gonna happen quickly when it comes to turn around the Jacks. 676 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: Let's finish out our review of the NFL draft of 677 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: the Jaguars sixth round pick up wide receiver out of 678 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Jalen Camp. Now, it's a weird time still 679 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. They're still in transition from that triple option 680 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: Paul Johnson attack they had for what fifteen years there 681 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: so successfully successfully that. Yeah, they did some good things 682 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: with it, but it is a transition to move from 683 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: that to a modern day let's say offense. Uh in 684 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: college football, the spread option and all that stuff. So 685 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have a tight end on the 686 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: roster for ten years until Tyler Davis and he tried. 687 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: It's transferred in last year or two years ago. Now, 688 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: the Jaguars picked him up last draft, right, so camp 689 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 1: was kind of he was involved in this whole time, 690 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: like he was there all the years in in Atlanta, 691 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: and so the numbers may not be high on the field, 692 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: but then he gets in the pro day and he 693 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: puts out a four four three forty thirty nine and 694 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: a half inch vertical thirty bench press reps at so 695 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: strength and speed and all the things that a guy 696 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: like Herbert Meyer loves to talk to a guy that's 697 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: that strong and that fast at that position. I'm sure 698 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: Bucky absolutely, because what what do you what you're thinking 699 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: about is, Okay, does he have to requisite physical traits 700 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: to maybe be a guy that can play at this level? Check? 701 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: Check check. Then you think about in the background, we 702 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: talked about Georgia Tech and the physicality that Georgia Tech 703 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: displayed previously before. I mean, Jeff Collins wants to play physical, 704 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: but really, Paul Johnson, you gotta get dirt, you gotta 705 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: get your nose out out, hit the nose to the groundstone. 706 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: But also understand this because we've seen this transition and 707 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna position him. But Darren 708 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: Waller was a tied end is a tied end now 709 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: for the Raiders. Darren Waller was a wide receiver at 710 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, goes to Baltimore, he makes a transition with 711 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: the Raiders. In two years later, he's a pro bowler. 712 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: There is something to taking the specimen, beefing him up 713 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: a bit. He will retain the speed and quickness. Potentially 714 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: if they kind of use him as that quasi tied in, 715 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: he can create the mismatches, and we've seen guys come 716 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: out of the later rounds and have success. I'm not 717 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: proclaiming that this guy is gonna be Travis Kilsy, Darren 718 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: wall or anything. But if you're going to attempt to 719 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: maybe transition and find that hybrid guy that can do it, 720 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying he's a perfect Kennedy just based on the 721 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: measurables and the strength that he's displayed when he's been 722 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: on the field. John, Yeah, the pick makes sense. I 723 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: mean it's a sixth round with potential. As Bucky said, 724 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: one thing you learned I never scouted the way back. 725 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: He has one thing you learned from talking to people 726 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: about it at that stage of the draft, you're looking 727 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: for some measurable that makes you think, Okay, this is 728 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: an NFL type of player. This is a reason that 729 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: the guy can make it. The reason some guys go 730 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: undrafted is scouts look him and say, well, they produce, 731 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: but there's really nothing there that makes me think, yes, 732 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: he can depend on this and this can be his 733 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: home run swing or whatever. This kid's got a lot 734 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: of home home run swings. In terms of his physical ability, 735 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: I have no idea of feel workout or not, but 736 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: it's the kind of kids you take a chance on 737 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,959 Speaker 1: at that point in the draft. Yeah, I would think, 738 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: like the worst case practice squad candidate, he gets a 739 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: four year to fully develop. Yeah, a four year to 740 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: to see where they potentially compet him. But you can 741 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: never have enough of those athletes. And you mentioned it 742 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: all special teams, big fast, physical cover kicks, be on 743 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: the return teams, as a blocker, there's always a role 744 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: for those guys, and you can't get enough. I think 745 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: he's a perfect developmental candidate, and I would put a 746 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: little ashubhim as a potential practice squad candidate if he's 747 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: not able to kind of earn his way onto the 748 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: it's suddenly it's not fifty three or whatever. Whatever it 749 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: is that the four Russ. We'll find out. The rules 750 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: keep changing, the rules keep changing, but yes, it gives 751 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: him a chance. This is the Huddle Up Podcast. Daily's 752 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: play schedule coming up tonight A W Dynamite, Blood and 753 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: Guts and then Tanesky Trucks Fireside Live June eleven and 754 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: June twelve, Brad Paisley July eight and tickets available at 755 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: daily splace dot com. Final thoughts here and I'm Bucky. 756 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: What was your reaction to the Tim Tebow news the 757 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: other day? I mean I anticipated something happening Tim Tebow, 758 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: urban mind, the connection, the affinity and all those other things, 759 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville o'deal and all that other stuff, the Gators. 760 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: I anticipated that he would certainly have an opportunity to 761 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: come around. Now what comes of it, I don't know. 762 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: But thirty or four years of age making a transition 763 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: to tight end, I don't know. Stranger things have happened. 764 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: We saw Auden Smith come back and end of the 765 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: league after a four and a half year layoff, so 766 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past it. I mean, can he 767 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: catch I don't know. Can he block anybody? I don't know. 768 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: I know he's just he's a specimen and we know 769 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: that because he's he's who. Yeah, he's like, he's just 770 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: I just wouldn't know him. Like, hey, man, if you're 771 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: gonna do this, you know you could have done it 772 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: a lot earlier. You had a lot more people behind 773 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: you to probably ensure that you would have continued to play. 774 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: Maybe after year one or two whatever. Now we'll see, 775 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't put it past him. The connection with 776 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: Coach Meyer certainly gives him an opportunity. We'll see how 777 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: I plays out, if not. If he does come, it 778 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: makes a good story in training camp oish you can 779 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: have Tebow watched like we had Miss Umania audit of 780 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: the stuff. Thanks for that, you know. And I I've 781 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of emails about this one. What are 782 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: they doing? What is this? What is this? If they 783 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: were signing him to play quarterback at thirty four and 784 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: he was QB one, I might say, what are you doing? 785 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: If they're signing him to play tight end to see 786 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: if it might work, I don't know what the harm is. 787 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: And again, back in the day, when I get Bow questions, 788 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't a huge Tebow guy at quarterback I was 789 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: part of that. Wasn't my thing with tight end. If 790 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, then you shake his 791 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: hand at the end of training camp and said, you 792 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: know what, great career, thank you for being here here. 793 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: We love you as a person. But it's just not 794 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: gonna work. I guess I just don't see the harm 795 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: in this one. At quarterback, I saw it a little differently, 796 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: but at tight end, give him a chance, that's fine, 797 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: And he's the ultimate Urban Meyer message guy in that 798 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: locker room, by the way, you want anybody else can 799 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: top that? I don't think. So, Yeah, I don't know 800 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: that the message takes hold if he's not a good play, Okay, 801 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: I kind of get your point, JP, And again I 802 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: think that goes back to there's no harm in it. 803 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: There's no you know, I don't see this is at 804 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: all being even a possible negative. So I think all 805 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: the people who are out of his criticism or whatever 806 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: who are questioning it are the people who are going 807 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: to question anything involving Tim Tebow. But on this one, 808 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: from a football standpoint, I don't think he's any harm 809 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: in it. It's all plus if it works great, If not, 810 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: he's still the neighbor of Urban Meyer apparently according to 811 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: reports this week. So it's okay, I podcast coming up 812 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: this week? What do you have Bucky coming up? Hey man, Look, 813 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just waiting for you guys to call them. 814 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm wide open the schedules wide open for Jack. But 815 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: there was a draft, that a draft. The draft draft 816 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: is all done. So now now look I'm now I'm 817 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: Jaguars number one and whatever you need, whatever you need, 818 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: I'm everything that said. We're gonna have a lot of 819 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks co workers on this week. Judy Patissa is 820 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: on the ozone podcast this week. That should be going. 821 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, do you want to talk back with us 822 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: later this week to review the draft as well? So 823 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: we're kind of booked up this week, Bucky, I don't know, 824 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe a little vacation. I may have 825 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: to just continue to just Daniel Jeremiah the heart and soul. 826 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the namesake. I mean, I'm a McMahon 827 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: over there. I mean McMahon. I'm just sitting on the couch, 828 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: just hanging out. You know, I'll laughing all the jokes, 829 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: the jokes and makes screet goes. I love it. Uh 830 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: good stuff as always. There's a review on the Huddle 831 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: Up Podkay asked Bucky, we will talk to you very soon. 832 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like, see if you're fine good, Osan will 833 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: talk to you a little later today. Subscribe to the 834 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: Official Jaguars Podcast network and appliitudes, Spotify or wherever you 835 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: download your pods and give us the five star treatment. 836 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: We'll get you next time on the Huddle Up Podcast.