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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist, this is a classic episode that you

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Speaker 1: want to hear while you're naching. Back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: we started exploring the wide world of food conspiracies. I

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Speaker 1: believe this is where we give This may be the

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Speaker 1: one where we start our obsession with Checkers and they're

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Speaker 1: amazing fast food motto you've got to eat, Yes, you

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Speaker 1: got us eat. Yeah. I liked ooh, I like that

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Speaker 1: translation too. That's a little more hardcore and some all

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Speaker 1: gothic one must eat well. Yes.

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Speaker 2: I would also say that this may also be an

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Speaker 2: episode that you don't want to be nauching while while

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Speaker 2: listening to just.

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Speaker 1: You know, results may vary whatever your thing is.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about a wide range of food conspiracies,

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Speaker 2: some of which are not gross and some of which are,

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Speaker 2: you know, little gross.

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Speaker 1: All right, we tricked you a little, folks. This is

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Speaker 1: not super appetizing, Yeah, not at all.

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Speaker 3: And this is right before COVID happened, too, so we're

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Speaker 3: not really sure how that is going to affect things,

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Speaker 3: like the way we thought about food before COVID weird.

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Speaker 2: Remember when people were putting their groceries in the garage

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Speaker 2: for like a cool down period.

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Speaker 1: At Washington, Washington. I loved it. I loved it. I

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Speaker 1: loved it when everybody had to wear a mask. It

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Speaker 2: And that just saying there are still ancompromise people out there,

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Speaker 2: and long COVID is very much still a thing. So

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Speaker 2: maybe even consider wearing a mask if you go to

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly so, without further ado, let's roll the tape.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear your.

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Speaker 4: Thoughts from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 4: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 4: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: A production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt

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Speaker 3: Noel is on jury duty.

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Speaker 1: Yes that is true. They call me Ben. We were joined,

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Speaker 1: as always with our super producer, Paul Mission Control decand

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Speaker 1: or uh or Paul Nitella decad. You know, we'll go

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Speaker 1: for different I always think we could do more case

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Speaker 1: specific nicknames. But most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Matt,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna exercise full disclosure here I have

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Speaker 1: I have not had a feeding period today, so I

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Speaker 1: neither of I I'm very interested invested in what we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are going to hear many stomach noises. These

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Speaker 3: are against our will. It's our bodies rebelling against our

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Speaker 3: life choices. But it's just what we have to do sometimes.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna be imagining a oh delicious toasted

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Speaker 1: Yes, hold that image in your mind. I will imagine

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Speaker 1: all together. It's a combo meal. You actually save money

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Speaker 1: if you buy those at once. It's amazing. You're right,

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Speaker 1: this this episode is about food, perhaps not in the

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Speaker 1: way you think. It's often said that you are what

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Speaker 1: like every other living person, have to eat to survive

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Speaker 1: over the long term. It's one of the biggies, you know,

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Speaker 1: as genuine cover ups. It's it's wide rife with corruption.

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Speaker 1: Wide rife is a phrase that a good pal, Frank

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Speaker 1: Mulharan taught me. So, Frank, if you're listening, I still

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Speaker 3: Oh like Frank, Frank, Yeah, Frank, that Frank I never know.

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Speaker 3: I have never known his last name.

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Speaker 3: I just yeah, Frank is the best shout out to you, Frank,

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Speaker 1: Ever listen to this? And we know that while conspiracy

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Speaker 3: Yes, everything from some artificial sweeteners to a lot of

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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget the day. And I say this

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Speaker 1: with an air of gratitude, Matt, I'll never forget the

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Speaker 1: day you ruined orange soda for me. Orange soda. Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: You've told me about rominated vegetable oil. Remember this.

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Speaker 1: So we have covered a lot of this stuff. Romanated

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Speaker 1: what we've seen though, with the realm of food related

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Speaker 1: you may be an avowed carnivore and saying, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: this is over hyped, hippy and hippy stuff. The thing is,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, we're not vegetarians. We're not practicing vegetarians. I

435
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: was for some time. But what we just told you,

436
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: that's true, and what we're about to tell you now

437
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: is also true. Let's take a lighter tact, maybe, as

438
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Speaker 1: you said, Matt, and examine some foods that are often

439
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Speaker 1: the mainstream, not associated with these various drawbacks. Like, sure,

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Speaker 1: we get it, there are tons of problems. They're profound,

441
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: abiding problems with the meat industry. But what about you know,

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00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: what about desserts? What about the sweet stuff?

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Speaker 3: Huh oh yeah, sure, but dude, let's go into chocolate.

444
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Speaker 3: My one of my favorite things in the world. Chocolate

445
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: probably one of your favorite things too. My wife would

446
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: my wife would give me up in a minute for

447
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Speaker 3: a lifetime supply of chocolate. I guarantee you that it's

448
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Speaker 3: not her fault. I wouldn't blame her. I would say,

449
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: you know what, you're right, I would take that deal.

450
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: And no, it's not true. None of that is true.

451
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: But in Western Africa. Let's just go there to where

452
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Speaker 3: anyone of the places where cocoa actually comes from, where

453
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Speaker 3: the stuff that becomes chocolate comes from. It's a commodity crop.

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Speaker 3: It's grown primarily for export to other countries. The United

455
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Speaker 3: States is one of those places that takes in a

456
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Speaker 3: whole lot of it. Sixty percent of the Ivory Coast

457
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Speaker 3: export revenue comes from its cocoa. And as the chocolate

458
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Speaker 3: industry has become bigger and bigger and bigger, as more

459
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Speaker 3: and more massive companies become conglomerates, and then they all

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Speaker 3: depend on their chocolate goods that they export across the globe,

461
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Speaker 3: so has the demand for cheap cocoa, So super cheap,

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Speaker 3: as cheap as we can get it, Just give me

463
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Speaker 3: it as much as you can for as little as

464
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Speaker 3: I can possibly pay. Check this out though, that, as

465
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Speaker 3: you can probably imagine, has a pretty big effect on

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Speaker 3: the people actually cultivating and gathering the cocoa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. The average cocoa farmer or earns less

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Speaker 1: than two dollars per day, that is, income below the

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Speaker 1: poverty line. And in case I was a question, and

470
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Speaker 1: as a result in this intensely competitive market, people often

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Speaker 1: result to child labor to keep themselves able to stay

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Speaker 1: in the game price wise. Most of the children laboring

473
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Speaker 1: on cocoa farms are between the ages of twelve and sixteen.

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Speaker 1: This is again, cannot stress this enough, and I'll stress

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Speaker 1: this again later. This is not a rumor, that's not

476
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Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory. Twelve to sixteen year olds and reporters

477
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Speaker 1: have found children as young as five working in the

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Speaker 1: cocoa industry. Forty percent of these children are girls. Some

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Speaker 1: stay for a few months, others end up making a

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Speaker 1: living into adulthood on this. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And one of the ways that the larger buyers of

482
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Speaker 3: the coco they get away with it by claiming that

483
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: this is a third party kind of thing, right where

484
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Speaker 3: we are just acquiring from this group of essentially what

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Speaker 3: would be farms or farmers or gatherers of this product,

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Speaker 3: and we have no visibility into those companies as to

487
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Speaker 3: what their practices are. We just know that we are

488
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Speaker 3: buying from this supplier, essentially. There's numerous documentaries online where

489
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Speaker 3: you can find that pretty well documented.

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Speaker 1: And you'll hear companies saying, often in good faith, is

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Speaker 1: saying that while we have this list of standards to

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Speaker 1: which our suppliers must adhere, and if we find out

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Speaker 1: that something is wrong, then we will go investigated or

494
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Speaker 1: we'll stop working with them. And of course, when the

495
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Speaker 1: rubber hits the road, the picture is not always as

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Speaker 1: clear cut as we would hope.

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Speaker 3: Even incentives to make sure this kind of thing doesn't

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Speaker 3: happen usually monetary, but those funds perhaps find their ways

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Speaker 3: into other hands.

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Speaker 1: And again, it's such a huge, huge business. Every coast alone,

501
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Speaker 1: we said it's a lot of its export revenue is

502
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Speaker 1: tied up in coco but thirty they produce thirty eight

503
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Speaker 1: percent of the cocoa in the world, and West Africa

504
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Speaker 1: overall creates two thirds of the world's annual cocoa crop.

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Speaker 1: It's insane. And that doesn't even count some other adjacent

506
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Speaker 1: countries in the region where you can grow this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot to have to walk away from and

508
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: it's a lot to figure out. Of course, if you're

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Speaker 1: the kind of person who's bothered by child labor. Once

510
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: you love chocolate, you can find things that say they

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Speaker 1: are ethically sourced and say they are for instance, free trade,

512
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Speaker 1: or that the people work in the industry are paid

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Speaker 1: a fair market rate, But really the burden of the

514
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: burden of proving that has been passed to the consumer

515
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: because for one reason or another, large corporations don't have

516
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: the best track record. So that's chocolate. So we ruined chocolate.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but that's okay. You don't need chocolate.

518
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, why don't you just settle settle up

519
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: with some some delicious natilla. Right, that's like chocolate, you know,

520
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: something that's less chocolate, more hazel nut, maybe some other

521
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: alternative ingredients to give it that smooth consistency and texture.

522
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: It's still you know, it still hits those savory notes,

523
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: but it's not as bad.

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Speaker 3: That's right, it's not as bad. And you're definitely not

525
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Speaker 3: going to get any trans fats in there.

526
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Speaker 1: Right, because you won't be eating trans fats. You'll be

527
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Speaker 1: eating palm oil. In the US, palm oil is mostly

528
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: used in processed foods. And a while back, Uncle Sam said,

529
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Speaker 1: we got to get rid of this trans fat. This

530
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: trans fat is everywhere. It's nuts. I can't have it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have a duty as a marriage ends.

532
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: And so they moved, you know, they they tried to

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Speaker 1: reduce the amount of trans fat that could be in

534
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Speaker 1: your snacks at your local grocery store. It backfired. They

535
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Speaker 1: started using palm oil, and they started using a lot

536
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Speaker 1: of it. The Center for Science and the Public Interest

537
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: reports that palm oil is now the second most popular

538
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: food oil in the world, the first being soybean oil,

539
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Speaker 1: and a lot of palm oil comes from countries like Indonesia.

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Speaker 1: Indonesia is one of the largest palm oil producers and

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Speaker 1: next borders in the world. It also used to be

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Speaker 1: home to a lot of orangutans.

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00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, or least fifty percent of the world's wild orangutans

544
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Speaker 3: have disappeared. They I mean, that's not even really a

545
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Speaker 3: good term for it. They're gone.

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Speaker 1: It's not like a lost situation. They're not on an

547
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Speaker 1: island waiting fighting the black smoke or something.

548
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: No, you cannot make it up in vantage season about this.

549
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: It is just they're gone. And the problem is just

550
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Speaker 3: the groups of orangutans who could be reproducing, could be

551
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: you know, making more of them, have reduced in size

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00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: and number, and eighty percent of the orangutan habitat has

553
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: either been just depopulated or totally destroyed. All of the

554
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Speaker 3: places where they could have lived are just gone. And

555
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: this this is not a trend like that just started happening.

556
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: This is something that's been going on for a long

557
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: time and has it's not going to stop. There's no

558
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: signs that this is going to stop anytime soon. If

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00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: you look at government maps, just of the way different

560
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: countries are planning out the land, how it's going to

561
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: be used. It's just the same thing because it's the

562
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: same problem we're running into with more of us, with

563
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Speaker 3: more consumption. We need more land to make the same

564
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Speaker 3: stuff we're making.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to show you something and we'll post

566
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Speaker 1: it on our face page. Here's where it gets crazy.

567
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: This is a clip from fairly recently of an orangutan

568
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: attempting to fight a bulldozer that's destroying its habitat oh Man.

569
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: That is heartbreaking. Yeah, and it's it's very short video.

570
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: You can you can find it here. But but yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: palm oil is has a direct connection to this.

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Speaker 3: And just to clarify here what we're talking about with

573
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Speaker 3: you know, making use of the land in that same way,

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Speaker 3: it's because palm oil is derived from the fruit of

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Speaker 3: palm trees, these oil palms, primarily the African oil palm.

576
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: But it's the way you get it is by use

577
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Speaker 3: by smashing up essentially the fruit of these palm trees.

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Speaker 3: And in order to get enough of that fruit to

579
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Speaker 3: make as much palm oil as is needed, you have

580
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Speaker 3: to plant as many of these palm trees as you

581
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Speaker 3: possibly can, and the only way to do that is

582
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Speaker 3: to have enough land to plant those trees, so you

583
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Speaker 3: wipe everything else out and put those palm trees up.

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Speaker 1: This problem continues in Malaysia. Pete swamp forests are being obliterated,

585
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: and these disappearing forests are home to things like the

586
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Speaker 1: pygmy elephant. For everyone who has a soft spot for tiny,

587
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: cuddly baby Yoda like things, this is the elephant version

588
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: of that he just remembers Dumbo, and the clouded leopard,

589
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: tons of rare birds. Again we had. These are all facts,

590
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: not even into the next act of the show. Yet

591
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: everything you just heard is one hundred percent true. These

592
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: are not conspiracy theories. These are proven incidents of child

593
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: labor in some cases, slavery, corporate corruption followed by cover ups.

594
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: And this is just the beginning. We will be back

595
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: with some of the most bizarre, strangest food conspiracies in

596
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: the world, and we'll also tell you the best we

597
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: could determine the likelihood of these. We'll do that after

598
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy,

599
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Not only are there more food related

600
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: conspiracies than you might ever imagine, new ones are cropping

601
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: up all the time. We can divide these into several rough,

602
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of broad categories. But within any of these categories

603
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: you're going to find you're going to find at least

604
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: several instances per year of a new specific tale popping

605
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: up within them.

606
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: Oh sure, You've got everything from corporate malfeasance, just something

607
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: that a corporation decided they had to do, either for

608
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: a bottom line or for a pr they just had

609
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: to save themselves. Illegal government meddling, where you've got some

610
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: large thing like the FDA coming through and making changes

611
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 3: or enacting something particular.

612
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: Zill and the forestation.

613
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 3: There we go hidden costs of food, which is kind

614
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 3: of what we were talking about, Like antibiotics, these things

615
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: just what it actually takes to make make that beef

616
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: of yours that you're eating right now. I'm not going

617
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: to judge you. Keep eating, and it's fine. I might

618
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: have some later. I'll do my best not to. You

619
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: can also look at fad diets like which.

620
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: Breadth or arianism, yeah, oh yeah, where.

621
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Speaker 3: You just need air. Yeah, all I need is the air. Oh,

622
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: don't sue us, Please, don't sue. Bizarre medical claims are

623
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: another one. There's all kind of these are kind of

624
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: the big the Big five. I guess that we can

625
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: put these things into.

626
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: So we found a couple that we thought would be

627
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: enjoyable and maybe surprising to many of us in the audience,

628
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: because you, like us, have dug into a lot of

629
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: these things before. So we've heard about allegations of detrimental

630
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: thing X due to consuming fluoridated water, sure and tale

631
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: as old as time. We've also heard things about, you know,

632
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: the meat industry and livestock and the way animals are mistreated.

633
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: We've also heard stuff about the maybe the food pyramid

634
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: so popular in the US here being ultimately an illicit

635
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: collaboration between the government and several food producing interests. Oh

636
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: for sure.

637
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Speaker 3: And don't even worry about the pesticides and herbicides that

638
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: all that stuff's great.

639
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Neo nicked tinoids all day baby.

640
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: By the way, we did a video on that and

641
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: it turned out we were right. Yeah, it turned out

642
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: the science and it wasn't. We didn't fit it out

643
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: in a lab. We just dug into the science and

644
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: it was there. It was published, it was not classified.

645
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: And then years later, oh oops exactly, and then someone

646
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: has the nerve to say, well, it's not a conspiracy.

647
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Speaker 1: Yes it was. It was absolutely conspiracy to cover up

648
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: the deletorious effects of pesticides. Anyhow, No, let's before I

649
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: go on some weird ted talk rant, let's let's look

650
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: into some of the things we found that we thought

651
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: might surprise you. Let's go big. This is a weird one.

652
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Afrid Deasi at gum. Now, before we started researching this episode,

653
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: I had never heard of this.

654
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: I like the idea.

655
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some kind of.

656
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 3: Just in the concepts like an aphrodisi at gum.

657
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: So the idea then with this gum is that you

658
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: would chew this, and while chewing it, you would ingest

659
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: substances that made you so blindingly unreasonably horny that you

660
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything else. Okay, it turned you into uh,

661
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: a sexual version of the Tasmanian Devil cartoons. You know,

662
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like whirlwinding around, trying to trying

663
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: to get intimate was something. And this story comes to

664
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: us because Hamas, which is a governing authority and Palestine,

665
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: was for a time convinced that the government of Israel

666
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: have been sending Palestinian kids this aphrodisiac chewing gum to

667
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: make them, you know, excited, to mess with their hormones

668
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: and distract them from the struggle against oppression and the

669
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, the the tension of violence between those two entities. Objectively,

670
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: the evidence is pretty scarce, but we do have on

671
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: record one of the spokespeople for Hamas in a two

672
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: thousand and nine article from BBC.

673
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: Yes, this spokesperson, Islam Shahuan, stated quote, we have discovered

674
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: two types of stimulants that were introduced into the Gaza

675
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: strip from Israeli border crossings. And then later this person

676
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: said quote the first type is present in the form

677
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: of chewing gum and the second in the form of drops.

678
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this story got regional and then global attention

679
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: when a Palestinie man complained that his daughter had experienced

680
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: dubious side effects after chewing this gum, and this was

681
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: reported by the media and Israel and they started trying

682
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: to hunt down the people that they thought were smuggling

683
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: this gum or bringing it into the territory and selling it.

684
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: One suspect said he got the products from an intelligence

685
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: officer the Israeli government at a cut rate price, and

686
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: the officer said, you know, we don't want money, We

687
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: want to distribute. We want you to distribute these products

688
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: amidst the young people of Gaza. So the idea, then,

689
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: it seems like a little bit of a reach, doesn't it. Yeah,

690
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the most direct way to affect people.

691
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: And if you modify even a science is there, and

692
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: you modify a small part of a person's behavior, it

693
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily result in the effects you want.

694
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it sounds like a high cost research project

695
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: and manufacturing thing that would give you very little gain.

696
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 3: And strategic advantage doesn't seem to be a thing here.

697
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: So it's difficult for me to see a scenario where

698
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 3: this is true.

699
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: Right right. Also, we looked and could not find an

700
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: example of the scum, you know what I mean, find

701
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: these statements, to find any stories. The Israeli military decline

702
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: to comment on the record, but one source in the

703
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: Israeli military said, this is absurd. Why would we do

704
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: this for the reasons that you just mentioned. So that

705
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: was one we had never heard of. But here's one

706
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: you may have already heard of in the past. If not,

707
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to introduce this to you today.

708
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: All right, So let's say you just left Popeyes. You've

709
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: got one of those glorious new sandwiches that are have

710
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: to admit, pretty dang good.

711
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: Pretty good, right, I enjoy.

712
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: The spicy version very much. Well, maybe not Popeyes, maybe

713
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: not any one particular food chain. Let's just call them

714
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: mass market food chains, the big ones, the mega chains.

715
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: Some weird stuff is going on in trying to make

716
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: enough chickens, enough chicken to fill all of the orders

717
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: that are just occurring.

718
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: They never stop.

719
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got a twenty four hour McDonald's

720
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: anywhere near your house, you know, whenever you've been up,

721
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how early in the morning is, how

722
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: late it is. There are people getting some food. Some

723
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: of that food is probably going to be chicken.

724
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the ice cream machine will never work for Ronalds.

725
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: It's always out. That's a different conspiracy, it's true. So

726
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: how then is all this food supplied.

727
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so how do you do it? How do

728
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 3: you get enough chicken? Well, there is a theory out

729
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: there that possibly someone out there is making chickens without heads,

730
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: chickens without feathers, without feet, just with breasts, extra breasts,

731
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: extra wings, extra.

732
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: Meat, extra legs, more meat.

733
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: Can you imagine a chicken that is just the meat?

734
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: I wish to scream, but I have no mouth, right

735
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: that old Harlan Ellison's story. Yeah, yeah, it seems like

736
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 1: a hellish existence, even if there is not a brain.

737
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: As we understand.

738
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 3: It, it sounds out there.

739
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: It sounds like the science is massively advanced, beyond what

740
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: we're currently aware of. Versions of this legend, this is

741
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: Nerban legend, have been circulating for decades, ands and decades,

742
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: And when I first heard it, you know, it made

743
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: sense to me on some level because I always thought

744
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: the fast food stick, their whole thing was weird and

745
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: delicious and evil but delicious. It's delicious. It's evil and

746
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: it's delicious. I always thought it was weird. The example

747
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: that stayed with me. I don't know if you ever

748
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: if you ever knew this, but years, years, years ago,

749
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I went to a Chick fil A, and I just

750
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: wanted a sandwich, fries and to coke, and they said,

751
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: I want a combo meal. Just what's the difference and

752
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: they said, well, it comes with slaw And I said, okay,

753
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't want any slaw though, I just

754
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: want a sandwich, fries and to drink. And they said, okay,

755
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: but when we give you that, it's going to be

756
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: more expensive than if we gave you the combo with

757
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: the slaw. So yeah, yeah, I made the same face

758
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: that Matt's making now, which is, you know.

759
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 5: You're tilted a little slight eyebrow for because what that

760
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 5: means essentially is that I am paying a tax to

761
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 5: not have slaw.

762
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: I am like I I am required, I am mandated

763
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: to help them dispose of their coal slaw. God knows

764
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: where it came from, and God knows they don't care

765
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: where it goes. But if I refuse to participate in this,

766
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: in this slaw exchange, this slaw transactioncy yeah, yeah, this slawnspiracy,

767
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: then I will have to pay a toll. Essentially, I

768
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: am being taxed for this. I don't get it either,

769
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: So you know, having experienced stuff like that and maybe

770
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: that's maybe I just had a weird one off mentalt

771
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: with with the wanted to give you person working at

772
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: chick fil A. Yes, but with that in mind, it's

773
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: one of those things that can help you. It's a

774
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: bread crumb along the precipitous slope into the idea of

775
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: mutant chickens. KFC, not Chick fil A or Popeyes, was

776
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: usually the one that was most often accused. The earlier

777
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: versions of the story were like six legged chickens, and

778
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: the idea was that the birds were so plumped up

779
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: by chemicals also that their huge bodies were impossible for

780
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: them to support, you know, room feet walking, So they

781
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: have more six state like chickens. Because the you know,

782
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: the questions, how do they taste?

783
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: How does a six legged chicken taste?

784
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: No? No, because no one's ever caught one. I'm sorry, I.

785
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: Was just pausing for laughter.

786
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm all, I heard the booze and the wamp wamp

787
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: from here. But but it's true. That was the idea,

788
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: and this rumor was so popular that Kentucky Fried Chicken

789
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: itself eventually addressed it on their own website in a

790
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: page that has since been removed. It also tied into

791
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever heard this one, the

792
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: idea that the federal government make Kentucky Fried Chicken changed

793
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: their name to KFC because what they were using could

794
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: not legally nor ethically be called chicken.

795
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: Oh so now it's just KFC the thing. There's no

796
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 3: chicken involved.

797
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: It was going to be legal fried.

798
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: There you go, bringing it back, buddy, I mean I

799
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: do remember hearing that. Actually, I do remember hearing that.

800
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: And here we have from the KFC website their response

801
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: to this rumor of mutant chickens or whatever you want

802
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: to call them.

803
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Uh you, I'll get there. I'll get there. Keep going,

804
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: you give me a second, worries. Here we go.

805
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: We can set the record straight. No mute or genetically

806
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 3: engineered chickens are involved in making our delicious KFC chicken.

807
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: Just one hundred percent real chicken from US farms, which

808
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 3: have to pass over thirty quality checks and USDA inspection

809
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: before being hand prepared by one of our cooks. Ultimately

810
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: less than ten percent of chickens meat. KFC's high standards

811
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: for quality, which includes no artificial hormones or steroids, a

812
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: federal regulation.

813
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Favored out of context. Quote, there may i ask you

814
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: to do a Colonel Sanders esque voice.

815
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: Oh sure, No mutated chickens are involved in making our

816
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: delicious fried chicken.

817
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: It's a true story. It's pulled from the internet, the

818
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: official site, or they moved it somewhere else, but you

819
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: can find that. I love the KFC. KFC just thought.

820
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, if we throw the word delicious around like

821
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 1: somebody throwing a crucifix around a vampire, maybe that'll ward

822
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: off these allegations. At this point, you know, for most

823
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: of the lifespan of this theory or this rumor, the

824
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: technology wasn't there to the scale that would need to

825
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: have occurred.

826
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: Right, sure, just growing meat like that essentially, but that

827
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: may be the future.

828
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: Lab grown meat is already a thing and has been

829
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: for a number of years now. It's just a question

830
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: of again making a large enough amount of it, right, So,

831
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: mutated chicken thing, the idea of no beaks, no heads,

832
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: extra wings, extra legs, that has a very low likelihood

833
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: of being true. However, the way that these individual animals

834
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: are treated in just normal no smoke and mirrors, skull

835
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: and bones livestock life, they do have tremendously painful lives

836
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: right their beaks are chopped off, they are oftentime unable

837
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: to walk, and they are, of course, as we said,

838
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: pumped full of antibiotics to stop the infections that would

839
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: otherwise rage through them. So it's still not pretty, but

840
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: they do have brains.

841
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's move away from meat. Let's let's get something

842
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: that's maybe meat adjacent. Would that be okay?

843
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? About Uh you like fondue, Oh.

844
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: My gosh, fondue. We used to have an amazing fondue

845
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: place in Atlanta, the Melting Pot. No, it was on

846
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 3: a pirate ship.

847
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Uh, Dantana's Dante's Dante's down the hatch. Yeah,

848
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: and I miss it so badly. Yeah, that place was great.

849
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: It was part of that fondue craze that swept the US.

850
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: It turns out that the fondue craze, there's a conspiracy,

851
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theory. The fondu craze was manufactured by

852
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: what we could reasonably call big Cheese.

853
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: The Big Cheese was responsible.

854
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: The Big Cheese. Like, we need a sound cue for that. Yeah,

855
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: technically their name is the Swiss Cheese Union. That's how

856
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: i'd say in English. Okay, A little bit after World

857
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: War One, cheese consumption was really low. People just had

858
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: other priorities. And the Swiss Cheese Union, which sounds like

859
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: the name of some indie band that we would have

860
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: been in in college. The Swiss Cheese Union says, all right,

861
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: we're going to get together. We're going to reduce supply,

862
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: we're going to create artificial scarcity, we're going to fix prices.

863
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: We're also going to limit the types of cheese that

864
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: you can legally make and then will literally rough people

865
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: up if they don't play ball with us. And this

866
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: is in Switzerland, is throughout Europe eventually, and in Switzerland

867
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: so in common. They also got the government involved, so

868
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: the government collaborated with them, and they made a marketing

869
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: push that was Brene's level clever to get people to

870
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: convince people they like fondue. Who doesn't like like cheese

871
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: dep anyway? Right? People love dipping. Dipping is one of

872
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: the best things about eating in general. You dip stuff

873
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know what I mean.

874
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, sauces are great. And if your sauce is mostly cheese,

875
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: I mean, come on.

876
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: You're ahead, you're winning your light years ahead. You're just

877
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: sort of you know, it's in some culture. You are

878
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: a god. You're like, there's a cargo cult about the

879
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: cheese sauce guy, absolutely, which I would be into. I

880
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: would hear him out. I'm not saying I convert, but

881
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: i'd hear him ount.

882
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: I mean some Caeso. Caso was just fondue in a

883
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: different vessel.

884
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, man, Yeah, I have no shame about the

885
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: ungodly unclean amount of cheese.

886
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: Me too.

887
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: Mean, I'm kind of always up for it, sort of

888
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: like an arsenist, you know. He asked arsenists if they

889
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: want to see a fire most of the time, I imagine

890
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: not hanging out with any arsenists that in maware of.

891
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: Imagine most of the time they're like, yeah, I'll check

892
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: it out. They might not do anything, but they might

893
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: want to just window shop.

894
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: I literally was just daydreaming about Queso being right here

895
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: between us and a whole bunch of chips.

896
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: That'd be so great. Man, I'm so hungry. Oh so

897
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: even after this, yeah, I'm hungry as well. So So

898
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: it turns out that the fon Due craze quote unquote

899
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: was manufactured. Here's one that we saved for you, our

900
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: good pal, our super producer Paul Mission Controlled Decad, Paul

901
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: and Natelladecad's Paul Chipotle Decad.

902
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: Oh oh uh, I've heard tell of it. He goes

903
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: by that sometimes just by the sheer number of delicious

904
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: burritos and slightly lime flavored chips he consumes.

905
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: The Chipotle down the street from us actually has a

906
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: day in Paul's honor because, yeah, when things are getting rough,

907
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: he saved the business. Oh really, it's very it's very

908
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: instant dirational, inspirational story. I think Disney's optioning.

909
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: It is that when there were outbreaks occurring at Chipotle's

910
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: all over the place.

911
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding, Yes, yes, whole in one. There were

912
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: outbreaks reports of E. Cole I, most famously, I think,

913
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: but there were other things too, right.

914
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: Oh yes, salmonella, norovirus m yum, yum yum.

915
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: But that E.

916
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: Cole I is always the one that freaks me and

917
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: probably a lot of us out the most, just because

918
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: it is you know, poop.

919
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. The weird thing about

920
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: these scandals is they all occurred within a few months

921
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: of each other in twenty fifteen, and then it happened

922
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: again in twenty seventeen and that's when a fellow named

923
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: Aaron Allen at a restaurant consulting group Aaron Allen associates,

924
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: said that he saw a pattern. He said, look, I

925
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: see a pattern, not just in the food poisoning that's occurring,

926
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: which you know, Chipotle, to their and their parent company

927
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: did a great job in finding the finding the bad

928
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: food products, right sure, But Aaron Allen said there was

929
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: another pattern that was functioning in concert with the incidencies

930
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: of food poisoning. He said he saw the stock activity

931
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: and he was paying attention to it because Aaron Allen says,

932
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: of course, after there's a scandal again there's some e coli,

933
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's some poop in the burritos, naturally

934
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: the stock price drops, right Yeah. This was at a

935
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: time when people were very anti feces and burritos. It's

936
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: just not where the market was. And his idea was

937
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: that someone was intentionally doing this, maybe not someone working

938
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: for Chipotle, but someone with some sort of reach was

939
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: manufacturing the scandal. They were making the stock price drop,

940
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: and then they were buying it up again for pennies

941
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: on the dollar, knowing that it would eventually rise because

942
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: right because as super producer Paul Decktt can attest Chipotle

943
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: is going gangbusters. You know, it'll hit some bumps in

944
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: the road, but they're they're not in trouble, man.

945
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: That is in that's intense equivalent of letting a or

946
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: purposefully having a certain part of a city or something

947
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: being run down by depriving it of let's say police

948
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: officers or or you know, just letting something happen to

949
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 3: where the property prices get so low to the point

950
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: where you can buy all of it and then put

951
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: up your own thing. That's what was occurring allegedly in

952
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: the Chipotle market, according to this Aaron Allen Fellow.

953
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: Right, right, And again he does run a consulting group,

954
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: or did at the time. So there's one one more

955
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: we'll touch on today. And this could be just a

956
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: bit of a palate Cleitzer. It's a fun idea, right.

957
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: The world's probably not going to burn down because of

958
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: this one. So if you ever been in a Starbucks

959
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: and said, okay, hi, my name is you know Chanelle

960
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: or Donovan, I've got the drink that I want whatever,

961
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: and then you go you wait for them to call

962
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: your name and they yell out something like Danell or

963
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: Seanovan or you know something that wasn't a name but

964
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: it's it's like slightly off or whatever. There is a theory,

965
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: an Internet rumor, it's kind of like a fan theory,

966
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: that Starbucks employees do this on purpose because when people

967
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: post they're hilariously misspelled or mispronounced names, they're written on

968
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: the cup. It's free marketing for Starbucks. What do you

969
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: think about that?

970
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: Ah? Okay, here's what I would say. I am and

971
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: I do not know the numbers here. I have not

972
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: looked into this, but I imagine that it is not

973
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: quite as amazing for your social media feed to post

974
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: a Starbucks cup, no matter what's inside that container. It's

975
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 3: probably not as amazing to do that as it would

976
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: be to do some smaller chain, right with a generic

977
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: cup of coffee or something like that. Does that make

978
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 3: any sense? Like just that branding within your feed? I

979
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: can imagine that's not as an exciting as of an

980
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 3: exciting thing to post as would be if it was

981
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: small chain. So perhaps by having that funny moment occur,

982
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 3: the Starbucks is back in the feeds, just with you know,

983
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: Adam's name misspelled?

984
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they know you're gonna post it. I

985
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: don't buy it. It seems a little Rube Goldberg esque, right,

986
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: It seems secuitous, it seems unnecessary.

987
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: But but Starbucks literally needs zero advertising bind.

988
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: Right, right, when's the last time you saw Starbucks by

989
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: itself without you know, like another Starbucks down the street.

990
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure they exist, I just I just think they're

991
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: increasingly rare. So we're we're in this situation right where

992
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: where we have to ask ourselves whether this was a

993
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: Bob Ross style happy accident. Yeah, and I think I

994
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: think that's the most likely occurrence here.

995
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: Did you know I played my first professional music gig

996
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: at a Starbucks that's a very local reference in Atlanta,

997
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: played my very first gig no Starbucks. Yep, it was fine.

998
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: The coffee was perfectly fine back then in the early

999
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: two thousands.

1000
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: What a time, those halcyon days. This does bring us

1001
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: to a stopping point where we have simply scratched the

1002
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: surface of a multitude of food conspiracies. We'll return to

1003
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: some other ones in the future, sure, but we would

1004
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: also like to hear your take on these the ones

1005
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: we examined in this episode, ones that you think your

1006
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: fellow audience members should be aware of whether there's something

1007
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of a funny thought experiment like Starbucks, or whether

1008
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: it's something incredibly disturbing like chocolate, or whether it's something

1009
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: that just makes you makes you think for a second,

1010
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: it gives it gives you something to grind your cognitive

1011
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: gears against.

1012
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: I will say there's one thing I'm very interested in

1013
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: here that we touched on, and it has to do

1014
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: with the meat manufacturing processes. And I have read in

1015
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: a lot of places and seen documentaries actually about the

1016
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: effects of specifically cattle on you know, what would be

1017
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: global climate change?

1018
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, And I've.

1019
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: Not done the research like we would do for one

1020
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: of these episodes.

1021
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: On that topic.

1022
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: And I'm interested in it, but I would like to know.

1023
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 3: I think we would all like to know if you

1024
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: are interested in that, and we should Should we do

1025
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 3: an episode on that anytime we bring up climate change?

1026
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: M h.

1027
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: It's a bit controversial just from the viewpoints of all

1028
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: of us coming forward, but I think the science generally

1029
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: isn't so well.

1030
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, So I think that's the nextll idea

1031
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,479
Speaker 1: for another show we do here at the office called

1032
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: car Stuff. We looked into that. Yeah, the amount of

1033
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: the amount of pollutants that cattle alone released into the

1034
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: atmosphere is it is enormously significant. It's a lot. We

1035
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: have a full episode on that if you want to

1036
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: check it out. We also had an episode on hybrids

1037
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: that that relates to this energy consumption, because you know,

1038
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: when hybrids first came out, many many people were saying,

1039
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: I can make the world a better place. I don't

1040
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: have to change that much, just have to pay a

1041
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: little more for a car, you know what I mean.

1042
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: But the problem with hybrids, and the problem with some

1043
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: electric vehicles at that time, was that they were pulling

1044
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: their electricity from a power grid. What was supplying that

1045
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: power grid coal coal. That's right, So congratulations on your

1046
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: coal powered car. You just move the pollution a bit

1047
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: further away from your line of mental sight. And I'm

1048
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: not being detegrated. The technology has come a long way,

1049
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: and overall, I think the world is attempting to find

1050
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: the newer, less long term harmful alternatives. But you're right,

1051
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: there's something sinister about cattle when it comes to pollution,

1052
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: and it's something that a lot of people don't think about.

1053
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: The biggest thing for me, Ben and Paul and everybody

1054
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: out there is how honestly, like I want to, I'm

1055
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 3: gonna have a conversation with you off air, maybe we

1056
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 3: bring it to the air at some point, But how

1057
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: you were able to maintain vegetarianism for a sustained period

1058
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 3: of time, Because I've been attempting personally in my life

1059
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: to do a little more of that, and I'm not

1060
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 3: having a lot of success, because I really am Maybe

1061
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's addicted to certain flavorings or

1062
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 3: fats or something.

1063
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.

1064
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 3: I'm at least trained to eat in a certain way.

1065
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to fight it.

1066
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: Here's what happened to me, and we can't talk about

1067
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: this on air. But first I became very busy and

1068
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: also very lazy, okay. And then it was dating someone

1069
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: who was a vegetarian, so it made it very easy

1070
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: to say yes to that.

1071
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: Ah okay, you know, and.

1072
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: She was a fantastic cook. But but I don't know.

1073
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: It's it's easy to become lazy of relationships and date

1074
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: someone and say, oh, all right, that's the thing you're into.

1075
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: I got yeah, I guess I like scat too. Now

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