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Speaker 1: On today's episode. It is part two of the coach Bracket.

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Speaker 1: We have Kirby Smart, we have Dabbo, we have Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 1: Where do they all fall?

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Speaker 2: I'm going Jonathan Smith over, everybody over, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is ty Hildebrand. That fine gentleman over there is

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Speaker 2: always in the heart of the Midwest, the windy City, Chicago, Illinois.

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Speaker 2: the soliverbal both will work today's episode Dan. Today's episode

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Speaker 2: is a continuation of what we did on Tuesday. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: there is something going on in the sports world this week.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard of it. It's called the NCAA

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Speaker 2: Tournament i e.

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Speaker 1: BArch Madness. Were they're playing games last night? Did that

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Speaker 1: already happened?

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Speaker 2: There were two playing games last night?

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Speaker 1: Got Tuesday? Do how the teams do?

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Speaker 2: I saw that Mississippi State lost by one to pit

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Speaker 2: sixty to fifty nine. Did not see who won the

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Speaker 2: second game. There is another batch of games this evening,

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Speaker 2: one of which is Arizona State playing for it. It's

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Speaker 2: the Battle of the eleven Seeds playing for right up

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Speaker 2: to get into to get into play at number six seed.

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Speaker 2: Not sure who they play. This is a college football show, Dan,

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Speaker 2: We're not going to go through that bracket, but we

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Speaker 2: are a very bracket focused this week, which is why

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Speaker 2: we started thinking about coaches, right. It all comes back

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Speaker 2: to coaches here in the world of college football. On

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Speaker 2: the first episode this week, we went through the top

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Speaker 2: half of the bracket, the so called South and Midwest

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Speaker 2: big matchup between Nick Saban and Jim harbaughd Nick Saban

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Speaker 2: going to go through the second half of said bracket,

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Speaker 2: a thirty two coach bracket. We're going through the East

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Speaker 1: That's where we're at right now. Yeah, And I'd like

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Speaker 1: you indicated that only one acc team, Clemson, had made

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Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff, and not only is that incorrect,

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Speaker 1: brain comes for us all that become parents. You can

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Speaker 1: for the seminal erasure from the college football playoff, the

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Speaker 2: Dan the number one seed on that side of things,

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Speaker 2: That is not without a claim Mike Gundy has done

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Speaker 2: And secondly, what is the state of the program now?

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Speaker 2: You know, if we talked on our last episode about

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Speaker 1: Well, he also, you know, you file Mike Gundhy under

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Speaker 1: using the goodest term for North Carolina. Mike Gundy might

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Speaker 1: be the goodest coach in America overall. Right, that he's

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Speaker 1: consistently been good but not great. Right, he has flirted

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Speaker 1: They're so dependably good in a sport where it's so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all those years with Spencer Sanders and look,

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Speaker 2: Two seasons ago twelve and two, that was very good

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Speaker 2: for me is Dabo. I didn't want to talk too

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Speaker 1: So are we in agreement that it's Dabo. We're inn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, if I reference the fine chart

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Speaker 2: that our good friends over at college Football read it

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Speaker 2: five year recruiting average, Oklahoma State thirty fourth, which doesn't

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Speaker 1: And Oklahoma State has put a lot more money into

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Speaker 2: Number four, Chip Kelly, Number five, Hugh Freeze, This is

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Speaker 2: a fascinating, fascinating matchup.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of those either. So okay,

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Speaker 1: you don't think so you disagree, So this is the

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Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze won on a bigger stage against better teams.

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly dominated a PAC twelve with a post USC mid,

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Speaker 2: Chip Kelly goes through. It's Chip Chip goes through. Now

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, on slightly different levels, they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's how much credit do you give Fickle? And

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing, because it could get.

434
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Speaker 2: Interesting in the next round if we put Fickle through.

435
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: Josh Hipel has won with zero quarterbacks he's recruited. Now

436
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: it's a different era of college football, sure, but we're

437
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Speaker 1: talking about bringing in a developed quarterback from another Power

438
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: five place and that's his entire track record. Whereas I

439
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: think we have more of a concept that the other

440
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: side of the ball for Luke Fickle is offense, and

441
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's offense to me, has been more impressive by and large,

442
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: maybe before the season whatever, Then Tennessee's defense. And so

443
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: if that's a way of looking at it, if we're

444
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Speaker 1: talking about North Carolina specifically, we've seen North Carolina with

445
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: an NFL caliber quarterback and a crazy good offense, not

446
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: as good as Tennessee was at its best this season.

447
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: But in terms of building a complete team, have we

448
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Speaker 1: seen that from Josh Hypewoy, No, we haven't. We haven't.

449
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: Not a Tennessee, not a Tennessee. Yeah.

450
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Speaker 2: No, I think it's fickle by a nose. But this

451
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: is a very very tight matchup for me. Absolutely, we're

452
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Speaker 2: gonna put fickle through. The final matchup here in the

453
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Speaker 2: first round of the East bracket is the number two

454
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Speaker 2: seed Ryan Day against the number seven seed PJ.

455
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Speaker 1: Fleck. Okay, interesting right, because this is Ryan da has done,

456
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: by and large, a very good job continuing what Urban

457
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: Meyer built in Columbus. He's not in a good place

458
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: right now in terms of losses to Michigan. They were

459
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: right there to beat the national champion right there this

460
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: past season. So PJ. Fleck has had incredible highs. Minnesota

461
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: not traditionally a place where you can win eight, nine,

462
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Speaker 1: ten games with regularity, and he's done so. So the

463
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: question to me is what would PJ. Fleck do at

464
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State? What would Ryan Day do at Minnesota? And

465
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: what would each do at North Carolina? Because I both

466
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Speaker 1: believe them to be very good recruiters. I think they've

467
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Speaker 1: I don't love the Mike Sanford hire from a couple

468
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: of years ago, but they've moved on from that. In Minnesota,

469
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: they've moved on from it. And I don't like Harry

470
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Speaker 1: Combs as a defensive coordinator. We moved on from it.

471
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Speaker 1: So they've they've had a couple of hiccups for sure.

472
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Speaker 1: I man, if you ask the angriest, the saltiest Ohio

473
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Speaker 1: State fans, if you.

474
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Speaker 2: Brought if you brought Ari Washerman on this show, actually

475
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Speaker 2: Textry right now while you want me to text him,

476
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Speaker 2: Text Dor tell him we're doing a bracket, a hypothetical matchup. Okay,

477
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Speaker 2: would you pick Ryan, Ryan Day or PJ.

478
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Speaker 1: Fleck. I'm curious to get the better coach in a

479
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Speaker 1: vacuum recording now, Ryan Day or PJ Fleck?

480
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Speaker 2: And why text Dori? Compelling audio here? Yeah for those

481
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Speaker 2: listening at home.

482
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Speaker 1: Sure, well, so Ari Ari will come to this from

483
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Speaker 1: both hopefully a well thought out and an emotional places

484
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Speaker 1: somebody who says Ohio State is the most what what

485
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Speaker 1: does he call the most underachieving program in America relative

486
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Speaker 1: to perceive talent on hand? That is correct, That is correct.

487
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Speaker 1: I I'd be hard pressed to not go Ryan Day here.

488
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Speaker 1: I have an answer for Mari already. Okay, he's always

489
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: just waiting around for my text. Sure, he says these

490
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: questions are so effing hard. That's all I can tell you.

491
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Speaker 1: That's all. And now I'm saying that the three dots

492
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Speaker 1: so he's got more common.

493
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Speaker 2: He's typing is taking place. I'd be hard pressed to

494
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Speaker 2: not go Ryan Day because Ryan Day's still and in

495
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: a short time at Ohio State hasn't been there that long.

496
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Speaker 2: In a short time at Ohio State, he is. He

497
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: has taking the baton, he has recruited at an extremely

498
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: high level. He's still putting guys in the league. He

499
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: is still keeping Ohio State more than relevant, very much

500
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Speaker 2: part of the national conversation. You'd be a fool to

501
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: think that Ohio State is not a contender year and in,

502
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: year out, and that starts at the top. Now, there

503
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: is an argument to be made that he's not maximizing talent.

504
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: But to be fair.

505
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: You could also make that same argument about PJ Fleck.

506
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Speaker 2: PJ Fleck came in with with vim and vigor and

507
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: rowing the boat and the tie knot. That's huge and

508
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: a renewed sense of optimism for that Minnesota program in Minnesota,

509
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: for sure is a pain in the ass. But I

510
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: would argue, if we're gonna fight this battle on the

511
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: field of which team is underachieved more, I feel like

512
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: Minnesota has way underachieved more lesser talent, lesser talent, But

513
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: there's no reason Minnesota is over under year in and

514
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: year out. Should be like seven and a half like

515
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: it was last year. I just feel like PJ. Fleck

516
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: has not really lived up to the billding. He's made

517
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: that program better, but Ryan Day has just continued to

518
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: produce at such a high level, maybe in spite of

519
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 2: any shortcomings as a coach. I just don't see how

520
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: it can't be Day. What's are you say?

521
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Speaker 1: All right? You ready? I'm doing the like ace Ventura

522
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: soccer style kicker. Yeah. PJ Fleck is the only one

523
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: of the two who built a program, But I don't

524
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: think PJ Fleck could keep Ohio State afloat at the

525
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: same rate I guess PJ. Fleck probably to get the

526
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: nod because he's the only one who actually built something.

527
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: But I'd still take Ryan Day over Fleck toront Ohio State.

528
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: And then I said, who would do better at North Carolina?

529
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: That's our goodest top twenty program. He says, probably Day,

530
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: because he'd have them scoring forty five points a game.

531
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think Day is the answer here. Okay,

532
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: but again I'm with you again. Here's the thing, and

533
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: here's why this is such an interesting thought the thought experiment,

534
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: excuse me, thought exercise. I mean, the Fickle Hype matchup

535
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: was great, the Fleck Day matchup a lot better than

536
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: you'd expect. Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting exercise.

537
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the top of the bracket and

538
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: talk it out between Dabo Sweeney and Chip Kelly.

539
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Dian Dabo and Chip. Okay, Yeah, so I suppose this

540
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: is a question of it's automatically Dabbo because he's won

541
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Speaker 1: national championships and over the next five years, I still

542
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: think I'm more confident in Dabbo than Chip. Dabbo at

543
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: Dabbo's place and Chip at Chip's place. Even though you

544
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: know the Big ten is gonna be weird for UCLA,

545
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: and I think there might be some opportunity there, but

546
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: I still think it's going to be too difficult for

547
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: UCLA to take the next step from where they are

548
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: now now in the Big Ten in two years, I'm

549
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: taking Dabbo And I don't know if I have a

550
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: specific case for Chip, because Dabo has won more and

551
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Done has found better quarterbacks by and large, and it's

552
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: just Dabo is just done more more recently. And so

553
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: that to me, is it If I'm going to say,

554
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: what is it about Chip that you would have it

555
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: over Dabo, it's well, if you're looking forward the next

556
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: five years and Clemson has quarterback uncertainty right now, even

557
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: though you're firmly ticketed in the club level with Kide

558
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: club nick, that you can say, well, Chip made a

559
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: change of defensive coordinator. You know, he keeps improving. This

560
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: is finally his program, whatever it is, five years in

561
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: and it's all downhill for me. I guess that would

562
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: be the case that you're just out on Clemson and

563
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: the recent coordinator hires and you just don't see it happening.

564
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: But the better coach. Hard to make a case against Dabo.

565
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: I think the move to go out and get Garrett

566
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: Riley was cold blooded, great cold blooded.

567
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think he had it in him.

568
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: We saw it before, and I know it's been compared

569
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: to when he went out and got Chat Morris.

570
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: But the Garrett Riley higher was cold blooded.

571
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: And for as much as we like to make fun

572
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: of Dabbo for some of the cheeseball stuff he does,

573
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: that definitely proved that he's still he's still got it,

574
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: that he's committed to not resting on his laurels and

575
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: his success at Clemson and trying to make the program better. Right,

576
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: even the move to go more in the direction of

577
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: cave Klubnick, knowing that you've got a guy like dj

578
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: who's been very successful, yeah, you know, maybe not quite

579
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 2: as successful.

580
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: And what are you saying, DJU has been very successful?

581
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Is that a term you're using.

582
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: I got a little out over my skis, Okay, I

583
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: was going to say, I was going to give you

584
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: an opportunity to walk it back a little bit. Yeah,

585
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: DJU is a guy who came in obviously with much

586
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: acclaim and for sure underachieved, had the opportunity to be

587
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: very successful in that program, but definitely fell short of expectations. Nonetheless,

588
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: is a guy who was there for a while, is

589
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: a guy who, by all accounts a pretty good locker

590
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: room guy. Was one of the leaders of that team

591
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: to move in a different direction by seasons indicaid club

592
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: Nick took balls.

593
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: That's hard to do.

594
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: It's got to be one of the hardest things that

595
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: a coach has to do to move away from a

596
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: veteran quarterback and to go in a different direction. So

597
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: I give Dabble a lot of credit for some of

598
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: the moves that he made here over the last let's

599
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: just say year, last season. That definitely made me feeling

600
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: more comfortable about the state of affairs at Clemson. It's

601
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: very easy to look at a program that's been as

602
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: successful as a Clemson Tigers and wonder, because we've done

603
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: it here, what's it going to take for the scene

604
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: a fall apart. Right, It's going to be transfers, It's

605
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: going to be guys not coming to Clemson, maybe the

606
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: recruiting game falling off. Maybe in the case like Dabos

607
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: saw last year drop off with some top flight assistants

608
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: going elsewhere. Sure, you had a lot of things kind

609
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: of happened at once, and it was still a program

610
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: that did really really well last season. Maybe not national

611
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: championship caliber, still on the ACC Yeah, still played pretty

612
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: damn well. Maybe not against Notre Dame, fine by me,

613
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: but all things considered, I thought it still a really

614
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: good season, and it seems like they are prime for

615
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: big things in twenty three. So for me, the answer

616
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: here is Dabbo. I like Chip, but I think if

617
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: you put both of them at North Carolina again our

618
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: goodest program, our goodest program, I think I think Dabbo's

619
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: the one who boots that program up the quickest.

620
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly might be a better fit for North Carolina.

621
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: A personality and like we'll roll with it, is not

622
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a ruthless recruiter, is gonna hit the portal hard,

623
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: you know Dabbo's note. So that's that's the other thing

624
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: on Dabblo's not just the hires. It's the not willing

625
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: to necessarily play the roster game that everybody else is playing.

626
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: It's the stubbornness, whereas Chip Kelly's all in. There are

627
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the two sides of the coin here where you're saying, Okay,

628
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: the next five years, Chip might be the better fit

629
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: at North Carolina, a very similar school to UCLA of basketball, power, academics,

630
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: everything like that. You say, well, in that specific element

631
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: of our rubric, chip might be the answer moving forward.

632
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's interesting to think about.

633
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: I guess here is the matchup that I had circled.

634
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: Okay number two, Ryan Day number three, Luke Fickle, the

635
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: Battle of Ohio State Brethren. Dan.

636
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was.

637
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: A moment in time not too long ago where there

638
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: were rumors about Ryan Day maybe being interested in a

639
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: job like the Chicago Bears.

640
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: And some some some.

641
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: Chitter chatter out there that maybe Luke Fickle will be

642
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: the guy that would take over the program.

643
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Shitter chatter, ty, this is a family show. Maybe it'd be.

644
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: Luke Fickle gets that gig. Luke Fickle now head coach

645
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: at Wisconsin. So does not seem likely that will happen

646
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: anytime soon, even if Day does decide to go elsewhere.

647
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: But who's a better coach? Who do you want in

648
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: a pinch? Do you want Ryan Day? Do you want

649
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: Luke Fickle? I think Fickle at a big place would

650
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: recruit really, really well. I think one of the big

651
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: things that is that is people have written about Luke

652
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Fickle is the relationships that he built up in the

653
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: state of Ohio, and that he was pretty relentless, and

654
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: he was personable and available and all those things get

655
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: a very good job. So I think he would do

656
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: very good at a large place in terms of roster

657
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: construction and hit the portal hard with Wisconsin. I think

658
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: it's Luke Fickle. I think at this moment it's Luke Fickle.

659
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: And I say that no ohing that Ohio State was.

660
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna say we could pencil in Ohio

661
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: State as a national championship if they got TCU. I

662
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: suppose that would be fair to do. Ty sure with

663
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: the data that we have at this point. I know

664
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: I'll say it was a misfield away from winning the

665
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: national championship this year. But that's you know, that also

666
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: falls under the like if I had wheels, I'd be

667
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: a bicycle corollary, right, So I think Luke Fickle. I

668
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: think Luke Fickle because of the way he built that

669
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: program up, because of the nature of a G five

670
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: program never making the playoff, because of how complete a

671
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: team Cincinnati built at its best under Luke Fickle, roster wise,

672
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: results wise. I mean, Damn Sauce Gardner has been one

673
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: of the best corners the past five years, ten years

674
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: in the sport. It's been incredible. So you look at

675
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: some of those you know, NFL caliber data points with

676
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Luke Fickle, I think that's my answer because

677
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: I think if you gave Luke Fickle Cincinnati and you

678
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: gave me Ryan Day Cincinnati and Luke fickele Ohio State.

679
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Now we did see a season of Luke Fickel at

680
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: Ohio State many many moons ago. Yeah, so that has

681
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: to be considered. But at this point in their careers,

682
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: I think Luke Fickle's ability to take a top twenty

683
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: roster and turn them into an eleven and one team

684
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and not a perfect roster, which at times Ohio State

685
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: seems to have, at least on paper, I think I

686
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: will give them not to Fickle. There someone Luke Fickle.

687
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Luke Fickle got that gig at Ohio State

688
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: for that one season, he was like thirty six years old.

689
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: He had been with Jim Tressel since two thousand and two.

690
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: This is how far back, how deep the water runs here?

691
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: Right with Luke Fickle and that Ohio State job, but

692
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: was with Jim Tressel starting in two thousand and two,

693
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: obviously had the Cup of Coffee and twenty eleven as

694
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: the head coach, and was with Ohio State and Urban

695
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: Meyer up until he eventually took that Cincinnati job in

696
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. So he has been in proximity to incredible

697
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State success for most of his coaching career, and

698
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: before that I think was at Akron. The guy is

699
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: from Columbus, Ohio, so he's got a lot of familiarity

700
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: with that program. This is not a thought exercise about

701
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: what would Luke Fickle do at Ohio State. But I

702
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: think he is a bit of an unsung titan, let's say,

703
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: in the coaching world. Wow, that maybe has not gotten

704
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: as due because he's been behind the scenes for a

705
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: good long time at Ohio State and has been coaching

706
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: at a quote unquote smaller quote unquote G five school

707
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati for the last five six seasons.

708
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: Right, The case for Day is also very clear, but continue,

709
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a very very close matchup. But I

710
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: think I give the nod to Fickle. I think I

711
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: give the nod to Fickle. Luke Fickle and his ability

712
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: to prove that he can build something big at since

713
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: he and get to a big spot far and away

714
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: is the most impressive thing between these two coaches in

715
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: my view. Now that being said, what's fair is fair.

716
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: On the Ryan dayfront, we talked about a little bit

717
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: on the last episode. Being able to take the baton

718
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: from your predecessor and run with it and elevate it

719
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: to a degree is something that we don't talk enough about.

720
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Certainly the offense, yeah, is.

721
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: Certainly the offense is very, very impressive. So I think

722
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: what he's done at Ohio State has been admirable. There

723
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: is a case to be made that you could put

724
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people at Ohio State and they would

725
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: do just as well. Right, I think Fickle is the

726
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: answer for me. I think this is an upset. I

727
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: think I go a three over two here with Fickle.

728
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple of things with Ohio State that

729
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: we should credit Ryan Day for and that's quarterback development,

730
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: that's offensive development. And we saw some unus I was

731
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: gonna say unusual but up and down quarterback play under

732
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, and I think that was more of the

733
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: vision than anything else. But in you know, the Dwayne

734
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Haskins and c J. Stroud and now whoever's going to

735
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: be the head or the signal caller moving forward. I

736
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: think they've been legit incredible by and large. They've been

737
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: legit incredible at quarterback and with that offense, and they

738
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: essentially never lose to an average to below average or

739
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: terrible team. They've lost, you know, the past couple of years,

740
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: they lost to Oregon and Michigan during the regular season.

741
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: Am I forgetting anybody? I know, I'm putting you on

742
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: the spot. I screwed up the Florida State thing and

743
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: now I'm paranoid. But they lose to Oregon last year,

744
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: they lose to Michigan and consecutive seasons. Luke Figgelo has

745
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: built something, Ryan Day has continued something. You can say,

746
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: anybody could, you know, attract that level of talent to Columbus.

747
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: It's it's probably true, but Ryan Day in practice actually has.

748
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: Anybody can win in Columbus, Yes, but Ryan Day actually has.

749
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: And so I just I think a lot of people

750
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: have produced subpar seasons with an incredible roster, and Ryan

751
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: Day has produced incredible seasons, So I know they're not

752
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: considered incredible to Ohio State fans because of the losses

753
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: to Michigan. But I still think he is a full

754
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: on great coach. So we're going I think I'm going

755
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: fickle here. What about Dabo or fickle Dabbo? I think

756
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: it's Dabbo. It's got to be Dabo, right. I think

757
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: we're like two years removed from there being the question of, like,

758
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: are we just going to see Clemson in Alabama in

759
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: the national championship every year? Obviously we're not. But it's

760
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: got to be Dabbo here. You win national championships, you

761
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: attract those quarterbacks, you bring those recruiting classes to a

762
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: place in Clemson that has traditionally not been anywhere near

763
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: a consistent power atop the sport. And so that to

764
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: me is the big thing that he's hired near the

765
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: end of the two thousands. He's an interim guy. He

766
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: gets the full job tag and takes them three, four

767
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: or five pegs above anywhere they've been at least it's

768
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: like the early eighties. I don't have the record book

769
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: in front of me. You can look that up as

770
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing this, since like the Danny Ford era, So

771
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: I am just I am in on Dabbo over any

772
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: sort of replacement at this point at Clemson, at North Carolina,

773
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is, Dabosweeney and if there's anybody who I feel,

774
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: even with his reluctance to hit the portal and keep

775
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: his program modern and be ruthless with all of his

776
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: assistant hires, not just Brent Vennable's way back when and

777
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Garrett Riley this past year, if you were that all

778
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: the time and hit the portal, I just I would

779
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: have zero doubt that Clemson's going to be back to

780
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: being a fourteen playoff, twelve team, playoff whatever type program

781
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later.

782
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Southeast bracket dinner final Brat.

783
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: We got so boring that we have what Nick Saban,

784
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: Jim Harbugh Dabbos so far as our region winners.

785
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: This bracket I think is going to get weird. Okay,

786
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: I could see this one getting weird, not necessarily with

787
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: it being like a six seed coming out of it,

788
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: but number one Southeast bracket Kirby Smart, number eight Lane

789
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: Kiffen hm hmm.

790
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: It's an interesting matchup.

791
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: It's it's the kind of matchup which would play well

792
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: on social media, for sure.

793
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: The answers.

794
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart. The Dancer's got to be Kirby Smart. Two

795
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: time defending national champion. It's got to be Kirby Smart.

796
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: His defenses have been ridiculous at a historic level. He's

797
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: won two championships with Stetson Bennett, who literally was a

798
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: walk on. His ability to adapt, to continue to recruit

799
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: at a very high level.

800
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: It's got to be Kirby Smart. It just it has

801
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: to be Kirby. Show me the record book of Kirby

802
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: Smart's time at FAU, Show me a what Kirby has

803
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: done in Boca. Show me no. Lane's career has been

804
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: topsy turvy, and he's a very good coach who will

805
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: continue to do I believe good things in Oxford or

806
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: wherever he hands up next, because he will end up

807
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: somewhere next. This is not a full long term situation

808
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: to me. But the best of Lane Kiffin is interesting.

809
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: But the answer is Kirby Smart because he has taken

810
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: a good program and made them the gold standard. And

811
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: that is incredible. That is incredible. Georgia is a terrific program,

812
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: was before he arrived and has taken them to heights

813
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: in the modern era that they have come nowhere near.

814
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: And everybody is measuring themselves at this point against Georgia,

815
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: and that includes Michigan and Ohio State and Alabama and

816
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: everybody else. Oklahoma, who's winning. Oregon just hired their defense

817
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: subordinator a little over a year ago. Everybody's measuring up

818
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: against Georgia. And so there will be a conversation later

819
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: in this episode, but at this point, it's the job

820
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: he's done has been pretty much unparalleled these past five years.

821
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: I hate to just dismiss Kiffin like that, but the

822
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 2: answer is Kirby. The answer is always Kirby Number four,

823
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: Southeast Bracket, Matt Rule number five, Mark Stoops at Kentucky.

824
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: This is really difficult.

825
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 2: This is extraordinarily difficult. So look, the impossibility of Matt

826
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: Rule turning around both Temple and a decimated Baylor program, yeah,

827
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: is almost the most impressive thing of any of the

828
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: coaches here that we're talking about.

829
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: Sure, that.

830
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: Singular act on two accounts is incredible. Yes, Temple has

831
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: been horrible, Baylor was in a horrible place. So the

832
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: fact that he turned both programs around as quickly as

833
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: he did was really impressive. Thankfully, for our purposes here,

834
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: we're not looking into what Matt Rule did with Panthers

835
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: that was not so good, right, But we will have

836
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: an opportunity this season to see what he can do

837
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: in Lincoln, Nebraska. So Matt Rule, that in and of

838
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: itself is very, very incredible, But the Marks Tubes thing

839
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: is also incredible in its own right.

840
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: Kentucky is a basketball school.

841
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: A basketball school, and I don't mean that from a

842
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: place of disrespect, but it just is people here Kentucky

843
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: they think of basketball. This is a program that had

844
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: been down and out for a long time, and he

845
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: is very slow, you want to talk about crock Potting,

846
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: very slowly built that program up to a level of

847
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: success where had Will Levis, they had the Liam Cohen hears.

848
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna see what happens with Devin Leary

849
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: and Liam Cohen round two. The defense has been solid,

850
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: They've put guys in the league. The level for this program,

851
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: the floor for this program as pretty consistently gone up

852
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: going higher over the last you know, five six seasons.

853
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: It's been a really nice turnaround for that program. But

854
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: it's been slow and it's been steady, and it maybe

855
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: hasn't been with the fireworks of a guy like a

856
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: Rule taking over Baylor. So which of those two coaches

857
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: do you favor in this setup?

858
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: Matt Rule? And I think Mark Stops has done a

859
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: very very good job at Kentucky. But this was a

860
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Kentucky program that was like they would have losing seasons.

861
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: They would go two to nine or whatever, five and seven,

862
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: they would go seven and six, satan four. They were

863
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: an average program. I would say, is where Kentucky largely was.

864
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's looking I mean Joker Phillips was

865
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: not good. Goes to and ten in his final season

866
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: and Mark Stops goes to and ten in his first season.

867
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: It was the way he built up the program to

868
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: a I think legitimate, mostly dangerous program in the SEC

869
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: has been quite impressive. But Matt Rule with the depths

870
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: to which Baylor fell after you know Briele's and Jim

871
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: grob and then what he did at Temple for sure,

872
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean Al Golden had them in a pretty good

873
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: spot beforehand. But I just I think Matt Rule is incredible.

874
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean he is your bar rescue, He is your

875
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: John Taffer. He is if you need to squeeze blood

876
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: out of a rock, Matt Rule is your dude, and

877
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: so getting the most out of a roster. Now Mark

878
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: sup was a better recruiter to me, but getting the

879
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: most out of the roster hiring, well, you know, I

880
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: love my Phil snow Higher. We have that sound effect

881
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: somewhere with that deep with that defense turned into it

882
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Baylor and the the NFL players that were on that

883
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: defense for Temple. Was that a Hassan Riddick? Was that

884
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: did he overlap? It may have? Yes, I'm maybe screwing

885
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: this up. I don't remember, but who was there was

886
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: somebody else? There was another edge rusher for Temple. You

887
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: can go back in the annals. Yeah, I forget his name,

888
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: I know who you mean, but yeah, it's Matt Rule.

889
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Matt rule is at North Carolina. I am more confident

890
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: in Matt Rule turning them into a dangerous team via

891
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: whatever that defense turns into. Two three years in and

892
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: even though the Baylor offenses were not that fun with

893
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, they were good enough mostly to I mean

894
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: win the conference. They're right there to win the conference.

895
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean, so the answers rule, the answers rule, and

896
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: I do want to make sure we make something clear

897
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: on the Temple front. There was a cup of coffee

898
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: in between Al Golden and Matt Rule named Steve Dazzy.

899
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: Of course it did not go dudes.

900
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you're right to say that Golden had

901
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: that program in a great place.

902
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: It was more, it was more just to say it

903
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: wasn't unprecedented, no, no, no, absolutely, but absolutely. But yeah.

904
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: The problems that Temple has had is maintaining success, right yep,

905
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: for as quickly as they've been able to achieve it

906
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: with Golden. With Rule, it's very easy at a place

907
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: like that if you miss on a couple guys for

908
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: the whole bottom to fallout, right, And we saw that

909
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: with a Dazzio, right, it was fine until it wasn't,

910
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: and then they were looking for a guy. So Matt

911
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: Rule came in his first season at Temple two and

912
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: ten is next season six at six, then two double

913
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: digit win seasons right before going over to Baylor, and

914
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: it followed a very very similar pattern. That's just damn impressive.

915
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: I think the ANSWER's got to be a rule here.

916
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: The ANSWER's got to be a rule here.

917
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: The answers rule. And it was Matt rule with Hassan

918
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: Reddick and the other the other Temple player. I remember

919
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: being especially good. Was I had to look this up?

920
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: Is the blast of the past. Name Tyler, Tyler mattiavit

921
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: made yeah good one?

922
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: Okay, number two, Lincoln Riley, number seven, Jonathan Smith.

923
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, Jonathan Smith. Okay, well you and Ryley? I

924
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: was taking team to a playoff. Is one of a

925
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: bunch of conferences Heisman's number one draft picks other than

926
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: the twenty twenties season. Couldn't really figure out defense. Recruited well,

927
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: absolutely recruited well in terms of where they'd be at

928
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: North Carolina.

929
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley at this point has has status, right, He's

930
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: got status. If you're a big time quarterback recruit, you're

931
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: at least going to sniff around Lincoln Riley.

932
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: See if he's.

933
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: Inhortant, right, So he'd be able to boot things up

934
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. He has booted things up quickly at USC,

935
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: just with the talent that he's attracted. So there's no

936
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 2: reason to expect that if he went to a place

937
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: like Carolina, really anywhere, that he couldn't do the same.

938
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: So I think he's the answer there. I think the

939
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 2: obvious answer is Lincoln Riley.

940
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not there.

941
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: But I also want to give kudos to Jonathan Smith

942
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 2: in the job that he's done at Oregon State because

943
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, like six weeks ago, when we're doing the

944
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: show talking about transfers and quarterbacks and which program is

945
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: a quarterback away or which program could potentially be a

946
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: dark horse in the twenty three season, we all called

947
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: out Oregon State because he has built that program into

948
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: a pretty stable spot. Before last season, I remember you

949
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: and I talking about, oh my god, the defense is

950
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: going to be catastrophe. Defense is actually pretty good this

951
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: past season. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he did a good

952
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: job at Oregon State last season. He's continued to do

953
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: a good job in the entire span of time that

954
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: he's been there. So you know, though I think Riley

955
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: is the easy answer here, it is one that probably

956
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: deserves a little bit of thought before just automatically putting

957
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: him through because Jonathan Smith. There are many other matchups

958
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: here where Jonathan Smith would win.

959
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: The question to me is if you put them at

960
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: North Carolina, you would get an offense that puts up

961
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: a ton of points and potentially an embarrassing catastrophic defense,

962
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: which is where North Carolina already is it has been

963
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: sam Alan, Drake may and so look, they attracted five

964
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: star quarterbacks at North Carolina and they scored a bunch

965
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: of points, had a bunch of great skill players. What

966
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: is different? I mean, he's gonna bring Alex Grnch with

967
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: him to Chapel Hill. What is going to be so

968
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: different about North Carolina that they're just going to be

969
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: able to recruit on a slightly lesser scale because it's

970
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: not as big a place as USC or Oklahoma. They're

971
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: going to get great quarterbacks often and have great offenses

972
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: every season, likely every season. Although we can hold the

973
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratley year against Lincoln Riley. That was his guy.

974
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: That wasn't a transfer. Baker Mayfield transfers in, Kyler Murray

975
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: transfers in, Jalen Hurts transfers in. I don't know if

976
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about who can get me to nine wins

977
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: more often over a five year span and build the

978
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: more complete team. Lincoln Riley will out recruit Jonathan Smith

979
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: in terms of making savvy hires to build a full

980
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: roster of coaches. I think Jonathan Smith if you're giving

981
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: them the same roster.

982
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: Oh man, I just can't get behind this. I can't

983
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: get behind this at all.

984
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: I've got Oklahoma fans nodding along. I've got USC fans

985
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: who have long unsubscribed from the show. I've got Oregon

986
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: State fans feeling themselves a little bit in this conversation.

987
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: I just I can't get behind this because what you

988
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: didn't mention is what Jonathan Smith.

989
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: Would do it North Carolina. So I just said, what.

990
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: You didn't mention is what would happen if you put

991
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: him in that situation. Right. We talked a lot about

992
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, but Jonathan Smith, he's not attracting that kind

993
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: of talent to Chapel Hill, Are you kidding me?

994
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: But he would developed quarterbacks. We're going to get Ben

995
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: Golberdson East. And how many games did Oregon State win

996
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: this past year, Tye? I don't know.

997
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: Was it?

998
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Nine? Eight? Nine? Oregon State Football, ESPN twenty twenty two.

999
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: That's how I'm searching this tie. I'm going to be

1000
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: as specific as possible because I'm pretty sure they won

1001
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: double digit games. They went ten and three if you

1002
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: include the thirty to three thrashing over eleven Florida Watkins,

1003
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: Ben Golbranson and Chance Nolan, Right, at quarterback. So if

1004
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: at North Carolina, he's got a random four star quarterback

1005
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: from Charlotte or somewhere on the East Coast. I don't know, man,

1006
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1007
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: I think I'm Lincoln Riley's putting number one picks into

1008
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: the NFL. He is, what do you think Drake may

1009
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: is going to be draft Heisman Trophy winners? The answer

1010
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: is Lincoln Riley. Lincoln Riley is the answer here.

1011
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm just not there with you. I'm disagreeing we can

1012
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: move Lincoln Riley through. But I think I'm when I'm

1013
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: sitting back with my bracket. This is a spicy take

1014
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: from you. Here playne wins with Ben Goldbrinson. I'll play this.

1015
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: It's a nice Cinderella story. But Lincoln Riley's the answer.

1016
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: If you put Sam Howell, if you put Caleb Williams,

1017
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: if you put any of the if you put Jalen

1018
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Hurts on this past year's Oregon State team, what are

1019
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: we talking about? Ty?

1020
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So look, let's move Riley through because you're going

1021
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity again.

1022
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: To pick against him. Yes, I think he's a really

1023
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: good coach. I'm just you're measuring him agains somebody who's

1024
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: done incredible job at a place where it's very difficult.

1025
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: The final matchup. The winner of this matchup gets Lincoln

1026
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: Riley in round two. It's number three, Lance Leipold. That's

1027
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: number six, Kirk Farans.

1028
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Kirk Farence, Lance Leipold. Yeah, both have been head coaches

1029
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: for quite some time, yep, one of whom at the

1030
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: same place for quite some time at some time, maybe

1031
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: too long. I don't know, man, if you put Kirk

1032
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: Farance at North Carolina or Kansas, I think Kansas would improve.

1033
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: I do. But the job Lance Leipold has done in

1034
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: the aggression and the culture and everything that comes with

1035
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: the turnaround stories Buffalo and now Kansas, and it's a

1036
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: short track record with Kansas. Mind you at a Power

1037
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: five place, this is really difficult.

1038
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: If you've been at your one stop long enough to

1039
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: have to do your own bar rescue. That seems like

1040
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: a problem in this conversation, right, it seems like a

1041
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: problem in this conversation. Slipold is the answer. It has

1042
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: to be the answer here.

1043
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So Iowa has had an undefeated Power five season

1044
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: regular season, a ton of draft picks, a ton of

1045
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: terrific assistant hires. If the best of Kirk Farns whenever

1046
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: that was was at the worst of Kansas or North Carolina,

1047
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm going Livepold Still, I think I'm going

1048
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: Lance Leipold track record. I think the ability to adapt,

1049
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: the ability to inspire the submurgn striat with Kirk Farans

1050
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: right now, if you're asking me who's a better coach,

1051
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: even with look, we talk about the degree of difficulty

1052
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: tie right, like, oh, this place, this school never wins.

1053
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: The degree of difficulty to win nine eight, nine ten

1054
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: games without an offense on a certain level. You gotta

1055
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: tip your cap because that's really tough to do. Sure,

1056
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: when you care so little about updating, modernizing, adjusting, recruiting,

1057
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: when you care that little about roster improvement and system

1058
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: and vision improvement, it's admirable. And I was not a

1059
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: place where I don't think a lot of people can win.

1060
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: That's barely English. I'm still go on Lightholed, but I

1061
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: am tipping my cap to that degree of difficulty and

1062
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: the games ending in the right column, right.

1063
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Look, Kirk Farrance on this list of active

1064
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: winning coaches, his second, only behind or third. Excuse me,

1065
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: only behind Nick Saban and Mac Brown. Sure, he's been

1066
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: at Iowa since nineteenine to nine. He's been there a

1067
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: long time, but he's been successful. He's won sixty one

1068
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: percent of his games to be a steadying force. The

1069
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: way he has at Iowa has been I think impressive

1070
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: and the best of kirk ference.

1071
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1072
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: If you put him at at Kansas, you put him

1073
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: at North Carolina, you put him almost anywhere, he will

1074
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: make the program better. He runs a very very rigid system.

1075
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: And what about today though, That's where I'm going with this. Yeah,

1076
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going with this. There are many programs

1077
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: out there that frankly could use a little rigidity and

1078
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: could use a little bit more organization. And so those

1079
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: skills are definitely transferable to other places. Not all places,

1080
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: but some There are programs that would stand to improve

1081
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: from that. But I also think the best of kirk

1082
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: ference is behind us and lancelie Poll if anything, is

1083
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: proving that there is room to grow there to turn

1084
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: Kansas around in the manner that he did. Never mind

1085
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: the fact that didn't play any defense this year, the

1086
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: fact that they played legit offense. I just checked the

1087
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: stats here while we were going through this the ninth

1088
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: overall sp plus offense at Kansas.

1089
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Yeah? Are you kidding me? With that?

1090
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: The fact that he did it as quickly as he did,

1091
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: which I think is easier to do. It might be

1092
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: easier to do, but Kansas was starting from such a

1093
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: low point that to build them up to a legit,

1094
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: legit offense, this wasn't smoking meres They're very good. Yeah,

1095
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: it's got to be Lance Lightpold. But that means that

1096
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: Lance Lipold in round two squares off against Lincoln Riley.

1097
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: Dan Lighthold give Mepold going Lightphold like, actually, well, mostly

1098
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: because I had Lincoln Riley losing in the previous line.

1099
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: So he's a soft two, soft two in your bracket here.

1100
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: So Jonathan Smith I has accomplished more to me than

1101
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: Lance Leipold, even though Kansas has you know, in Oregon State,

1102
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: what they trounced Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl like

1103
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: this is not you know, They've they've beaten top ranked

1104
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: USC teams as a program, you know, the Rogers Brothers, whatever,

1105
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: They've had some really interesting highs. But Lance Leipold a

1106
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: couple of years in at Kansas taking over a program late,

1107
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: right late in the the calendar for taking over a

1108
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: team at North Carolina. Man, it's tough, right, this one's

1109
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: tougher to me, I think I'm gonna go Lincoln Riley.

1110
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: I still think the highs of Lincoln Riley are higher.

1111
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: I think to Flypold. If you're looking to build up

1112
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: a program, lance Lypold is the guy. But if you're

1113
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: looking to take a program that's already doing decently enough,

1114
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: already still attracting talent and level them up ken Exhum,

1115
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: I think it's Lincoln Riley. Well.

1116
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna the roster is gonna be populated

1117
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 1: better quicker with Lincoln Riley, with the portal and through

1118
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: high school recruiting. And yeah, to me, it's just an

1119
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: iron chef versus chopped situation that Lancelipold is gonna win.

1120
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: You chopped every time. But you know, with the best ingredients,

1121
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: with the best situations, under the best circumstances. Yeah, I

1122
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: would take Lincoln Riley. I still think it take Lincoln Riley. Yeah,

1123
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: Matt Rule versus Kirby Smart? So can Kirby smart turn

1124
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: around Temple and Baylor definitely definitely definitely. Now, definitely, he

1125
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: would never find himself in that situation at least hasn't

1126
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: been anywhere near those types of situations with the you know,

1127
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: the high profile nature of being the Alabama defensive coordinator

1128
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL experience whatever. But I think in terms

1129
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: of being able to bring in talent, being able to

1130
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: figure out a defense, which is what Matt Rule was

1131
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: able to do at Temple and at Baylor did. Did

1132
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: Temple beat Notre Dame?

1133
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: No I was at that game. Notre Dame won that game.

1134
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: But they barely survive Temple. Yeah, barely? Yeah, that's right.

1135
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: It must have been in Philly. Yeah. Yeah. I think

1136
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart could figure out how to recruit players to

1137
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: a school, a major place in Texas. Yes, So I

1138
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: think Kirby Smart I would probably outperform Matt Rule at

1139
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: Baylor eventually if you gave him four or five years

1140
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: to build up that roster. So my answer is we

1141
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: have the data points on Matt Rule to know that

1142
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: he can do an incredible thing with his back against

1143
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: the wall. But I think Kirby Smart would find better

1144
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: players and do that. So I'm going to say Kirby

1145
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: Smart and figure out offense in a way that I

1146
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: don't know if Matt rule is necessarily done.

1147
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: That brings us to our final Elite eight matchup, the

1148
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: final of the Southeast bracket. Okay, it's Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley, Kirby.

1149
01:02:59,120 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: It's got to be Kirby.

1150
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: He need to spend too much time talking about this

1151
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: if we're if we are expanding any energy on Lincoln

1152
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: Riley versus Jonathan Smith, or Lincoln Riley versus Lancel I pulled.

1153
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: Surely we have nothing to say when it comes to

1154
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley against Kirby Smart. Lincoln Riley very good coach.

1155
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart just he's just different at this point. His

1156
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: program is different, and he's proven he knows how to

1157
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: do it. He can build a defense. We know that

1158
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: for sure. He went with Stetson Bennett, which is definitely

1159
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: something that Lincoln Riley has never had to worry about. Right,

1160
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: So the answer is Kirby Smart.

1161
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so here is the only pushback I can

1162
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: give you, even though I agree with you, The only

1163
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: pushback I can give you is Kirby Smart's last However,

1164
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: many fifteen years or whatever have been fully charmed. Sure

1165
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: that He's been able to call a defense at a

1166
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: place with the best players, the best collection of talent

1167
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: over a ten to fifteen year span has been at Alabama,

1168
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: and he was able to call those defenses for a

1169
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: chunk of that stretch. And then he moves on to

1170
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: a place within the SEC that is not going to

1171
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: have a budget, that is located and arguably the most

1172
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: talented state for talent outside of maybe Florida and Texas.

1173
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't know where Georgia stands,

1174
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: but right now it's in a pretty incredible place. So

1175
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: it's in a talent rich place at a school that

1176
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: will write him a blank check for anything he wants, assistance, facilities, whatever,

1177
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: that at least with Lincoln Riley as terrific a program

1178
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: as all time a program as Oklahoma very much is,

1179
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that backyard thing that Kirby has at Georgia.

1180
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: Right Oklahoma's next to Texas, Georgia's next to Florida. I

1181
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: get all that, but I think you can say Lincoln

1182
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: Riley helped to build Oklahoma into something different after Bob

1183
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: Stoops who had it as a great program, and he's

1184
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: done it now with USC being right there for the

1185
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: Pac twelve before they started playing two touchd against Utah.

1186
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: He's done it a couple places, and so that would

1187
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: be the only case for Lincoln Riley that he has

1188
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: figured out quarterback, which is a part of my rubric

1189
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: tie I should say. Now he's relied on transfers and

1190
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: Kirby's tried to rely on transfers it didn't work out.

1191
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: I just I'm there with Lincoln Riley if you're saying

1192
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: over ten years, who's going to find more quarterbacks? And

1193
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: I always think the coach who can figure out quarterback

1194
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: more often is going to win more. But still it's

1195
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: Kirby smart. It's Kirby smart. I mean, that's a knock

1196
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: against Kirby though. The quarterback situation, yeah, is not amazing.

1197
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: Junian Fields get away, you know, having Jamie Newman opt out,

1198
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: having JD. Daniels not work out and be unable to

1199
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: stay on the field. Maybe it's just bad luck. The

1200
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: Dwan mathis thing. It's really the one thing. It's really

1201
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: the one thing.

1202
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: And maybe we'll find out this year, whether it's Carston

1203
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: Beck or Brock vander Griffer, who knows who else. We'll

1204
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: find out what it looks like starting anew without Stetson

1205
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: Bennett and what that offense looks like. But to the

1206
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: point of Lincoln Riley and maybe not having talent in

1207
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: the backyard, it hasn't really stopped him. Cale Williams is

1208
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: from DC. Cale Billiams wanted to go and play for

1209
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, first at Oklahoma, then at USC. He's got

1210
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: that kind of gravitas. He's been putting guys in the league.

1211
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: He's been winning Heisman trophies. You know, he certainly has

1212
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback thing figured out. Is at least at a

1213
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: minimum convinced people that he's got the quarterback thing figured out.

1214
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: His stats would back that up, but that reputation clearly

1215
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: precedes him. What Kirby's done at Georgia has been unbelievable

1216
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: the last two seasons. I mean, we are going to

1217
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: come to a point here. I presume in the next

1218
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: five to ten minutes or so, over're talking about master

1219
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: versus Apprentice, Kirby Smart against Lord Nick Saban. That would

1220
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: be a very interesting debate to have. But I let's

1221
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: put Kerby through.

1222
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: Let's put Kirby through, and remember where a DeVante Smith

1223
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: against Cover two catch away from potentially Kirby having three

1224
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: national championships.

1225
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart against Dabo Sweeney.

1226
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: Ooh, Dabbo has a track record.

1227
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 2: Dabbo's got a track record. Done it longer, done two,

1228
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: done it longer. I'm trying to unpack the personalities of

1229
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: these guys. I think both are both are cutthroat in

1230
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: different ways.

1231
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: I think that's right.

1232
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: I think Dabbo's kind of got that aw shuxy as

1233
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: they said earlier, You don't think Ty's ball cutthroat quality

1234
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: to him? I know, yeah, he does. Absolutely.

1235
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart at.

1236
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 2: A poker table is an interesting, interesting debate. I kind

1237
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 2: of feel like Kirby is the type of guy who'd

1238
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: smile to your face and then enjoy stabbing you in

1239
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: the back, of course, And I almost don't mean that

1240
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: in a negative way. It's just that's where we're at

1241
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: with college football. Got to have that killer instinct if

1242
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: you want to win at this level. You know, like,

1243
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart to me is somebody that I would have

1244
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: trouble trusting at a poker table. Yeah, guy who could

1245
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: bluff bluff his way through almost anything.

1246
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: Seems like he's kind of guy with a good poker face. Yeah, and.

1247
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 2: That killer instinct has served him well in his time

1248
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: at Georgia. If you are putting both at North Carolina,

1249
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: who do you think is more likely to figure it out?

1250
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: Quicker Kirby as the track record at this point of

1251
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 2: being a two time now defending national track record. Yeah,

1252
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: recent track record. Dad has also won that title. You know,

1253
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: we've both been at media days where Georgia's there and

1254
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: Clemson's there. The Clemson guys, to a man, all seemed

1255
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: to be having a lot more fun, whereas the Georgia

1256
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: team or or really a Saban team, and they're kind

1257
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: of in the same mold here where it's it's more

1258
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 2: business right. Culture is a little bit different, though both

1259
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: are very successful, so it just it just seems like again,

1260
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: and we talk about this often with Dabbo a little

1261
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: bit more informal around the program. Still very successful, but

1262
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: the cultures are different. The recent track record is a

1263
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: little bit different, though not that much different. I'd have

1264
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 2: a hard time not putting Kirby smart through here because

1265
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: of the case and track record. I think I'm with you.

1266
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you. I just don't want us

1267
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: to gloss over the best of Clemson. No, that even

1268
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: when they don't have a quarterback there. I mean, you

1269
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 2: can argue that Georgia and.

1270
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 1: That they just sort of got lucky that Stetson Bennett Older,

1271
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: the elder statesman of this all. They got lucky that

1272
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: this walk on diehard Georgia fan refused to leave Georgia

1273
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: when it appeared he was never going to play, and

1274
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: so for whatever reason, it worked out. Yeah, the best

1275
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: of Clemson has figured out quarterback, went to the playoff,

1276
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: even when they didn't have a great quarterback, went to

1277
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: the playoff and so played against the easier teams, easier competition,

1278
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: easier competition, but sure to get to the playoff still

1279
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: an accomplishment, definitely. And Trevor Lawrence Deshaun Watson both Heisman

1280
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: caliber quarterbacks, and I would argue Stet's had been at

1281
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: at by the end of his career was a Heisman

1282
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback. He was invited to New York the best though,

1283
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: and that tracker to be there for as long as

1284
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: he's been there. I think it's it's very easy to

1285
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: say it's Kirby smart because these past couple of years,

1286
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: but man, it's not just the what are you doing

1287
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: at the top of your time? It's how long is

1288
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: the top of your time lasting? Sure, and it's been

1289
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: a few years now for Kirby and Georgia and they're

1290
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: on that. We're in an active streak. But what Dabo

1291
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: has done at Clemson is nearly impossible to do at

1292
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: the top of the sport. I say nearly because somebody

1293
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: else is also doing it to Nick Saban, right, So

1294
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: it hasn't There hasn't been that run like that at

1295
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: Ohio State. There hasn't been that run like that. I

1296
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: mean you, Pete Carroll had a few years but did

1297
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: not last as long as what Dabo's done at Clemson

1298
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: hasn't happened at Oklahoma hasn't happened at all of these

1299
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: major plays. Did not happen at Florida State. Huge high

1300
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: fell off a cliff. You know, we have the Florida Stretch.

1301
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: Huge high fell off a cliff. And so what Dabo's

1302
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: done at Clemson is all all all time. And I'm

1303
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: not positive Kirby's gonna do it at Georgia, but I

1304
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: have no reason to believe he can't. And we're because

1305
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: we're in the midst of this historic stretch. I'm saying Kirby.

1306
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying Kirby because Dabos quote unquote downtime is happening

1307
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: at the same time as Kirby's uptime, and so I'm

1308
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: just I'm going to be a prisoner of the moment.

1309
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride the wave. Well, I think we have

1310
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: to be prisoners of the moment. Yeah, this is a tournament, man, Yeah,

1311
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: that's true. Doesn't matter who the best team was between

1312
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: November and the end of February. When it comes down

1313
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: to it, NCAA tournament's who's playing the best out there

1314
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: on the first Thursday or the first Friday. And we

1315
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: also saw these two teams play against each other last year.

1316
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: By last year, I mean twenty twenty one, not twenty

1317
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: twenty two, last year or two years ago now, And

1318
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: Kirby had a few years to build a roster. Dabb

1319
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: almost certainly had a few years to build a roster.

1320
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember how many touchdowns Clemson scored in that

1321
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: game on offense? Was it zero? It was zero? Do

1322
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: you remember how many touchdowns Georgia scored on offense that game?

1323
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: Like five? It was also zero? Tie, it was also zero.

1324
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: They won the game, I think ten to three or

1325
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: something like that. It was a pick six that Dju threw.

1326
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna score zero offensive touchdowns, be the

1327
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: team that wins. And so we saw that that was Georgia.

1328
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: So that's my answer. Kirby coming out of that half

1329
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: that brings us. We knew it was.

1330
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: We aaded here our coach's bracket final. Yeah, number one

1331
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 2: overall seed Nick Saban, number two seed Kirby Smart. Yeah,

1332
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: an interesting matchup. Saban, of course, was Kirby's boss.

1333
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: For a while.

1334
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: Kirby took over at Georgia has gotten the better of

1335
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: Saban now a couple of years running here, has won

1336
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: two national championships, still has ways to go to catch

1337
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 2: up to Saban seven or whatever it is. Yeah, but

1338
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: you're talking about the greatest coach of all time in

1339
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: Nick Saban, and you're talking about his very capable and

1340
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: perhaps even better understudy, Kirby Smart. Kirby's ability to build

1341
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: a carbon copy of Alabama has been pretty impressive at Georgia.

1342
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: A lot of coaches are hired to a new place

1343
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: because of their proximity to greatness, and we've talked about

1344
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: that here a couple times over. Not every one of

1345
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: those guys can replicate the success, can build the same

1346
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 2: thing at another place. That's hard to do. That's hard

1347
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: to do to institute the same kind of culture. Right,

1348
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 2: we just talked about the culture that's really hard to do.

1349
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 2: I think Kirby gets points for that. Not to say

1350
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: Saban has not done that everywhere he's been, because Saban

1351
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: has been a winning coach pretty much everywhere, with the

1352
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 2: exception of the Miami Dolphins.

1353
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: Yep.

1354
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: Certainly at the college level. There's a reason that we

1355
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: talk about him as the greatest coach of all time.

1356
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: He's the greatest coach of all time. But at least

1357
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: for the moment, we've seen Kirby in this new era

1358
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: of college football with transfers and nil and frankly the

1359
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 2: wild West out there, we've seen him replicate that success

1360
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 2: that Saban's had at Alabama and.

1361
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: Do it pretty quickly. Mhm. That deserves a lot of praise.

1362
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: The Saban.

1363
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: The Saban thing is remarkable because year in and year out,

1364
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 2: he has to deal with mass turnover, I mean just

1365
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: mass turnover that no other coach has to deal with.

1366
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: These He's got coaches coming in.

1367
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 2: There, Tommy Rees, taking over as the offensive coordinator. Tommy

1368
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 2: Rees wants to be a head coach within the next

1369
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: three to five years. He's going to leave two sure, right.

1370
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: Anybody they bring in there to run things wants to

1371
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: be a coach somewhere, and he has dealt with that

1372
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,879
Speaker 2: almost without breaking a sweat. So his ability to adapt,

1373
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 2: I think is like the anti Ferens. He's just proven

1374
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 2: time and again that it doesn't matter what you throw

1375
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: at him. He's got that program a critical mass. He's

1376
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 2: got that program to a point where they can they

1377
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: can withstand some of these weird personnel things that that

1378
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: he's had to deal with. I think for both these guys,

1379
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: it's almost unfair to pick one over the other.

1380
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: But what do you think I'll do it? It's Nick Saban. Yeah,

1381
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: I'll do it because the greatest team Georgia has ever built.

1382
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: Last year's team lost to Nick Saban's team by seventeen points.

1383
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: Is it was it? Seventeen points? Was a final spa

1384
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: like forty one twenty four in the SEC championship game?

1385
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: I know they lost a couple of weeks later in

1386
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: the National Chamber. A few weeks later in the National

1387
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: Championship Game, there was an exclamation point put on that

1388
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: win by the Kiley Ringo pick six. But Alabama beat them.

1389
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: Alabama beat them on a neutral field in Atlanta, and

1390
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: so I don't think last year's Alabama team or twenty

1391
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: twenty one it's Alabama team was better than Georgi's team,

1392
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: but they did beat him. And so if that is

1393
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: the high point of the Kirby Smart career, nick Saban

1394
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: was a data point on a loss there. So Nick

1395
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: Saban's done it since essentially two thousand and nine. You know, eight,

1396
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: they I think they lose to you Tah the Sugar

1397
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: Bowl was that eight? I believe it was eight, and

1398
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: seven was you know a growth here. But since then,

1399
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: since the end of two thousand and eight, yeah, they've

1400
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: just been an all time wrecking crew. And so it's

1401
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 1: Nick Saban. You can you can mention any head coach ever,

1402
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: and I'd probably take Nick Saban without much thought because

1403
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: it's only been more difficult to win these last ten

1404
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: twenty years. It just gets progressively harder to win in

1405
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: the sport because you can't just be named national champion anymore.

1406
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: You just can't be given that title. You have to

1407
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: earn it on the field, and so what Nick Saban

1408
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: has done is nothing short of the best ever to me.

1409
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: And so Kirby smart has been incredible. He has the

1410
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: potential to do so. He has been better more recently,

1411
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: but no finding quarterbacks, recruiting, hiring, culture, all of those things.

1412
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 1: It's Nick Saban.

1413
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: Nick Saban has been at Alabama since twenty seven sixteen seasons. Yeah,

1414
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 2: care to venture guess how many of those seasons have

1415
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: been double digit wins out of sixteen.

1416
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen of sixteen. His first season, they

1417
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: went seven seven. Yeah, lost to Monroe twelve.

1418
01:17:55,240 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: Fourteen, ten, twelve, thirteen, eleven, twelve, fourteen, fourteen, thirteen, fourteen, thirteen,

1419
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm running out of steam here, thirteen and eleven.

1420
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: Season to play that. Yeah, we're good, We're good. Okay,

1421
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: you get the point.

1422
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: His ability to sustain success has been damn near impressive

1423
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 2: and frankly unparallel throughout college football.

1424
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: Kirby has not.

1425
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: Proven he can do that to that level. By the

1426
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: time his career is said and done, he might.

1427
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: He could. He's got that opportunity in front of him

1428
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: if he once. He's still a young guy.

1429
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: He so in his forties, right, He's got a long

1430
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: ways to go as a college coach, and by the

1431
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: time all is said and done, he could go down

1432
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 2: as the greatest ever. But for this moment in time,

1433
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: I think it's important to add that Nick Saban is

1434
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: still recruiting at a really high level. Nick Saban is

1435
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: still able to attract the best coaching talent around him.

1436
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: He is still able to put a product out there

1437
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: on the field that week in and week out, is

1438
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 2: among the best, if not the best, in college football.

1439
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: It is not a situation like we described with you know,

1440
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,919
Speaker 2: Affairans or perhaps Jimbo Fisher, a coach in a situation

1441
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: where we have to ask the question, are they running

1442
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 2: out of steam?

1443
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: That's not the case, Well what about Well what about

1444
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: the next four years at North Carolina?

1445
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: Next four years in North Carolina? I still think I

1446
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,879
Speaker 2: take Nick Saban if I'm picking his age.

1447
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nick Saban's seventy one.

1448
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, does not appear as if he's slowing down much

1449
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: at the level he's recruiting and the heights to which

1450
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 2: that program can still rise.

1451
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: But Georgia has more momentum on the field. We're talking

1452
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: about Nick Saban. Divisional runner up, Yah Yah that you

1453
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: could argue. One might argue, as both of these places

1454
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: turn to new quarterbacks, that there's more to like about

1455
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 1: where Georgia is right now. Sure, both your new offensive coordinators.

1456
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 2: If you're at North Carolina or general coach rubric Here

1457
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: relies a little bit on the quarterback position. If you're

1458
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 2: a top flight quarterback, who do you have more confidence

1459
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: in is going to make you a pro prospect? Nick

1460
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: Saban or Kirby Smart?

1461
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: Saban? Of course the answers Nick Saban, I think it

1462
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: has to be Saban. I don't think I realized, as

1463
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 1: an aside, that you and Kirby Smarter of the same generation.

1464
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: I did not realize that it's funny. It is funny.

1465
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: Ty Come on, how dare are you funny?

1466
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1467
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: You would have been in like first grade when he

1468
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: was in seventh grade. You guys, if you were at

1469
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: the same school growing up, you would have crossed paths.

1470
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: Maybe he recognizes you, you recognize him, little Tyler, same generation, Tye.

1471
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart is forty seven years old. Yeah, six years,

1472
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: seven years. How I'm much older a few years, about

1473
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: six years, hand full of years. You guys are colleagues

1474
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: pretty much, yea just compatriots reminiscing about the early eighties. Tie,

1475
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: how dare you? It is funny? Tye?

1476
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: Stop playing that sound. We're going Nick Saban.

1477
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm going Saban slip stop.

1478
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: I don't know why I played that, but I'm actually

1479
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna revise not after I played the sound.

1480
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith, you can't overlook what Ja Smith has done.

1481
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: Hope everybody enjoyed our bracket. Yeah, over the last two episodes.

1482
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,520
Speaker 1: Perhaps no surprise that Lord Saban would win this category,

1483
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: but interesting discussion to say the least. We appreciate all

1484
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: of our contestants here again. Our final four was Saban

1485
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: against Tarbaugh, Dabbo against Kirby, Saban over Kirby in the final,

1486
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: Which of the non Saban and Kirby coaches listed? Would

1487
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: you most want to coach Notre Dame? Oh, that's a

1488
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: good question. Would I most want to coach Notre Dame? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The next four years you have this list terrific coaches. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So who do you who are you most confident from

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Speaker 1: this list would get Notre Dame that elusive playoff win.

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Speaker 2: I would probably say Lincoln Riley. I think Lincoln Riley

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Speaker 2: be the guy because I too have the internal quarterback rubric,

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Speaker 2: and that is that has been one of the big

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Speaker 2: missing links for Notre Dame with getting them to the

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Speaker 2: next level. And I think Lincoln Riley could could do that.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think Lincoln Riley for me, you

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Speaker 2: would be the answer, and I'd be willing to make

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Speaker 2: some sort of trade off with a better offense despite

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Speaker 2: maybe not as good of a defense as they had.

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Speaker 1: I would take Dan Lanning others receiving votes, Ty because

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01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: I stand by my He wasn't on this list, so

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: I didn't answer my own question accurately. Who would I

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Speaker 1: take of this full list? Non Saban, Non Curve, oh Man,

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Speaker 1: you know who I would take, Ty Jonathan Smith. I

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Speaker 1: would take who who is your number three? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would probably take Harbaugh, But beyond that, I might

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01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: take Brian Kelly. M hm, I might take Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 1: I already tried that and recruiting, well, Notre Dame is

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01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: just not the place to win playoff games.

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Speaker 2: They might try bek So look fun episode A long

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Speaker 2: episode right in silverblegmail dot com, Book us up on

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Speaker 2: social media, hit us up on YouTube in the comments

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01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: section if you're listening, If you're on Patreon, comment on

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01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: the episode or over in hour for Bawler's discord atverbowlers

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01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: dot com. Let us know what we got right, what

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01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: we got wrong. I know we've got some folks who

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01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: are watching along live that said they had Kirby coming

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01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 2: out of the bracket. I would encourage people to debate

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01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 2: and let us know who you have and what we

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Speaker 2: got wrong, because this is obviously a thought experiment.

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's been fun, Dan, That's all I have ty do.

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Speaker 1: I haven't filled out a regular bracket yet, have you?

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01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: I have filled out a regular bracket. My overall my

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01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 2: overall winter is actually Alabama, so it's thematic.

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Speaker 1: Nice okay, doubling up football and basketball.

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Speaker 2: Power For those who are listening to this a little

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01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: bit early. Courtesy of verballers dot com, we do have

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01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: a bracket pool. I will post the link to that

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Speaker 2: in Patreon as well.

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: It is free.

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Speaker 2: We're playing for pride, not prize, but by all means

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Speaker 2: anybody else out there. If you've filed a bracket, if

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01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: you are listening to this before the game start around

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01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 2: noon Eastern on Thursday afternoon, feel free to hop on over.

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: We'll leave it unlocked, so if you make a bracket

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01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: and you want to enter it in after the fact.

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: You can do that as well.

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Speaker 2: Not a big deal keeping things loose and casual around here,

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Speaker 2: but look for oh for the soft rouble Dan, I

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01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 2: will talk to you tomorrow for our bruin A all right.

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Speaker 1: That sounds wonderful Verbalers dot com for our weekly Very

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Speaker 1: Strange Off the Rails Q, and.

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Speaker 2: A for that guy over there, my good friend Dean Rwuski,

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01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: for myself, Ti Hilma Brand, thanks for downloading, for listening,

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 2: for playing along, for filling out your brackets at home.

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: Enjoy March Madness and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Stays off Peace