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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sadeve Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, we have

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Speaker 1: a special guest today. It is team president Jed Hoyer.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right to it with Jed. Jed, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Appreciate you jumping on the show.

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Speaker 1: Looks like you're at the offices.

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Speaker 2: Is that right you're Yeah, it's meeting week, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're here a lot fun times.

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Speaker 1: We're we're not going to dive into the draft. I

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Speaker 1: think you know what the topic, Djuur is. Uh, it's July.

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Speaker 1: Your team is in the thick of it, obviously one

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Speaker 1: of the best records in baseball. Looks like you're headed

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Speaker 1: towards buying this summer, which is exciting to have a

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Speaker 1: clear direction. Uh, can you kind of give us as

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Speaker 1: we had to the All Star break? We know like

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Speaker 1: the draft does kind of slow things down. But where

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Speaker 1: is where? Where do you feel everything is right now

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Speaker 1: as far as the trade market. Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: anything could get done during the All Star break? And

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Speaker 1: where do you kind of see not not only your team,

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Speaker 1: but the market in general, and how you expect things

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Speaker 1: to move this this July.

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Speaker 4: All right, let me unpack the seven questions you ask you.

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Speaker 4: So I guess to start with so typically, I guess

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Speaker 4: not typically, because we've only done this for I guess

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Speaker 4: a handful of years. But there's always a lot of conversations,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of this week, people will talk about

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Speaker 4: the draft, talk about their teams or whatever, and then

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Speaker 4: it kind of quiets down as we get sort of

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Speaker 4: into the draft, and then really the minute the draft

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Speaker 4: is over, now the trade conversations really pick up. I

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Speaker 4: spent the last couple of days of the of the

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Speaker 4: All Star break last year in Cooper's town with one

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Speaker 4: of my sons, and you know, my my phone is

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Speaker 4: ringing off the hook, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I thought, maybe we get a couple of days off

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Speaker 4: here after the after the draft, and I just think

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Speaker 4: people now kind of jump right in right into it.

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Speaker 4: So I think it'll it'll become active here for probably

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Speaker 4: after the draft. There's a lot of conversations going on,

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Speaker 4: but feels more exploratory.

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Speaker 3: Than about to get things done.

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Speaker 4: In general, I guess to sort of educate the listeners

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Speaker 4: you know, the way the way it usually works is

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Speaker 4: like people are always say they're willing to move early,

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Speaker 4: but then normally the early price is really exorbitant, and

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Speaker 4: therefore you end up kind of moving into closer to

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Speaker 4: the deadline.

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Speaker 3: Is usually how it works.

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Speaker 4: So my expectation is that the deals will get done

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Speaker 4: in a handful of days before July thirty first, But

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Speaker 4: it doesn't mean you don't try to make deals and

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Speaker 4: try to be active in advance. And then, as for

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Speaker 4: where we are, think that you know, the team has

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Speaker 4: played really well so far, a lot of really great

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Speaker 4: individual performances, and I think as a as a group,

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Speaker 4: it's been really impressive. I think there's obviously areas to add.

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Speaker 4: In any year, I think there's areas to add, you know,

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Speaker 4: trying to create more depth, trying to sort of fire

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Speaker 4: proof your team, so to speak, by insurance on certain areas.

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Speaker 4: But I do think in our situation this year, you know,

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Speaker 4: the position playing group has been really terrific, both offensively

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Speaker 4: and defensively. I think are starting pitching is hung in

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Speaker 4: there well in the absence of steel and assad and

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Speaker 4: then showed it for two months. But certainly that's an

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Speaker 4: area that we'll be in discussions on and then I

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Speaker 4: think like every team, every team needs, you know, additional relievers.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's a team out there that feels

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Speaker 4: like okay, Bullpens completely said, I think everyone will be

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Speaker 3: So that's really my expectation.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, certainly it'll be a very active month, both

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Speaker 4: with the draft and obviously the deadline.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Jed, after selling at the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 5: trade deadline, you memorily memorably said no reason to go halfway?

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Speaker 5: Does the same logic sort of apply here in a

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Speaker 5: different way because you've always been someone who you always

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Speaker 5: how does that apply here.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question. It's certainly going to be buyers

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Speaker 4: and we're going to try to improve the team.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to say now, I don't know, you know

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Speaker 4: good deals, the you know, deals that you feel like,

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Speaker 4: you know makes sense for the organization this year and

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Speaker 4: long term. You never want to take for granted where

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Speaker 4: you are right now. I mean, I think that's ultimately

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Speaker 4: but also you know you can't just you can't buy

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Speaker 4: because you know that that can be really damaging. So

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing right now is sort of

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Speaker 4: pushing our staff is be creative and come up with

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Speaker 4: a lot of different ideas.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is it's gonna be.

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Speaker 4: An interesting market. I think it'll sort itself out over

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Speaker 4: the next few weeks. But there's not a ton of

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Speaker 4: obvious sellers right now. That might change, you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: as some teams realize it's not there, the odds aren't

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Speaker 4: great for them, but it may be a year we

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Speaker 4: have to be a little bit more creative because I

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Speaker 4: do think the new playoff system and I do think

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Speaker 4: that the way the American League get set up this

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Speaker 4: year could lead itself to fewer sellers, and therefore maybe

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Speaker 4: you have to be creative and how you put a

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Speaker 1: You're touching on it there, Jed. But there's there's a

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Speaker 1: few teams that feel like they're they're going to wait

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Speaker 1: to see where they where they sit, and they have

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Speaker 1: really interesting players Arizona, Kansas City, Boston even I think

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Speaker 1: any of those teams have players that you, guys would

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Speaker 1: likely be interested in. How do you kind of balance

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Speaker 1: the the idea of, Okay, maybe you want to be

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Speaker 1: what if these teams start selling and we've made an

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Speaker 1: aggressive move and now we don't have the assets to

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Speaker 1: go get a player that you may seem as see

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Speaker 1: is really desirable.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, and that's what you have to prioritize.

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Speaker 4: And I'd say most of the conversations I've had this

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Speaker 4: where teams acknowledge their position but realize, like, hey, we

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Speaker 4: got I don't know how many games exactly we have left,

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Speaker 4: but we call it twenty games left roughly, maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit more before the deadline. I'm going to wait

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Speaker 4: I think that's a very common refrain.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 4: You know there's a very small handful of teams in

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Speaker 4: to be what really determines how the deadline feels.

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Speaker 3: And so you're totally right, like jumping at a deal early.

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Speaker 3: You know, you may look.

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Speaker 4: Back and say, oh, man, if I had known this

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Speaker 3: So I think that's going to be a real balance

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Speaker 5: Jenn I spent a lot of time trying to think

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Speaker 5: of a different Kyle Tucker question because you're so scripted

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Speaker 5: in your no comments, But like, how does he change

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Speaker 5: his calculus at the trade deadline? You obviously want to

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Speaker 5: it's not about one player at any deadline, but what's

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Speaker 5: kind of the internal debate just around that idea?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that kind of goes back to what

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Speaker 3: I think that you know, certainly you're you're always.

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Speaker 4: Trying to balance those things, but you know, what's in

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Speaker 4: And he's just a great all player. I think that's

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Speaker 4: factor into our calculusm Jack, You've You've talked to us

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Speaker 4: a lot about how you kind of you look at

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Speaker 4: these moments, these deadline opportunities as moments to you know,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes teams just don't seem as motivated and you kind

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Speaker 1: of enjoy the fact that there's a deadline here. How

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Speaker 1: like how rare and fleeting are these opportunities to improve

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was talking to another team president the other

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Speaker 4: day and he sort of said that, like, a, Hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: this is the one time I know you've got you

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Speaker 4: had twenty nine teams that are going to other teams

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Speaker 4: that are going to be you know, looking to do deals,

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Speaker 4: and you know sometimes you know, other times of the.

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Speaker 3: Year you know, you don't have it, you don't you

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Speaker 3: don't know you have everyone's attention.

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Speaker 4: I guess this is the best way to say it, right,

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Speaker 4: And I think this time of year people get themselves

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Speaker 4: are deals that are clearly like, you know, either a

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Speaker 4: rental or a buy.

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Speaker 3: Now for this team.

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Speaker 4: But like that was kind of what I did last

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Speaker 4: a deal. You know, we didn't have very high playoff

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Speaker 4: but ultimately it wasn't enough. But you know, that was

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Speaker 4: it was like, hey, this is an active time. I

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Speaker 4: Next year with Cole Hamil's, we sort of didn't overthink it.

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Speaker 4: I think that's his personality in a good way. He's

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Speaker 4: very best defenders in baseball. I thought he'd be an

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Speaker 4: elite based runner. I didn't think he'd have his kind

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Speaker 4: of power.

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Speaker 3: I was always pushing him to work on spunting more.

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Speaker 3: You know, good thing he didn't listen, So, yeah, fouls

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Speaker 3: it off the right.

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Speaker 4: But but like, but I think that's what I would say,

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Speaker 4: is like, you know, the shape of the player is

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Speaker 4: the same as I expected, minus hitting balls off the scoreboard,

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Speaker 4: you know, And that's the part that I've been really surprised.

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Speaker 4: But like, these aren't wall scraper home runs. He's not like,

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Speaker 4: you know, hitting balls in the basket with a wind

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Speaker 4: blowing out. I mean, he's hitting balls that are way gone.

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Speaker 4: And that's you know, again, like this game surprises you,

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Speaker 4: which is kind of the fun part of the job,

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Speaker 4: right that you know, it would have been impossible to

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Speaker 4: predict that he would come into this kind of power,

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Speaker 4: but he has, and you know, it's it's vaulted him

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Speaker 4: from you know, really good player to a star and

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Speaker 4: it's been fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this this question is probably hard to answer as

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Speaker 1: far as the last five years, So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go with the do O years. And was there a

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Speaker 1: move that either maybe maybe wasn't like about to be

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Speaker 1: made or you thought was done, but something that was

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Speaker 1: you know, discussed quite a bit that you think maybe

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Speaker 1: it would have changed.

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Speaker 3: Those World Series years?

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Speaker 1: That the World Series and in that time in either

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Speaker 1: direction like either this would have extended it by years

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Speaker 1: or this this could have blown things up. Was there

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Speaker 1: a deal that never came together that you guys discussed the.

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Speaker 4: One I just mentioned, I think would be a fair

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Speaker 4: a fair one that, like you know, you had we

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Speaker 4: traded for Verlander in seventeen, does that change things a

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Speaker 4: little bit?

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Speaker 3: You know, he was on the market again.

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Speaker 4: I look back at the decision making process and I

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Speaker 4: think the process was good. I think the logic was good,

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Speaker 4: but like obviously we got it wrong. We should have

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Speaker 4: been aggressive and we should have traded for him that year.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's one that I think about sometimes,

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Speaker 4: like how different things could be had that happened, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, flipping it around, Like I think about that

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Speaker 4: like if you know, if Houston takes Chris Bryan and

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Speaker 4: we take a Pell, I do think that that's you know,

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Speaker 4: I do think with all of these different things, there's

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Speaker 4: a sliding doors aspect of so many moves that you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that yes, like had we gotten Berlin or

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Speaker 4: maybe that would have extended things, for example, but obviously

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Speaker 4: have we not drafted Chris, that might have short circuited

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Speaker 4: the whole process. So yeah, that's probably one that I

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Speaker 4: would I would think about.

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Speaker 5: I know, you're not gonna do something just to do

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Speaker 5: something or to make headlines, but like you say, this

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Speaker 5: is a rare sort of opportunity. And you you've talked

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Speaker 5: before about how you know, the best years in base

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Speaker 5: you know, those those rings that you have are kind

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Speaker 5: of you know, the they're the thing like if you're

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Speaker 5: definitely buying. I guess the next threshold would be like

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Speaker 5: can this team win a World Series? And I realized

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Speaker 5: we're in the middle of July, but you know what

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Speaker 5: it looks like, you like, what are the as this

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Speaker 5: team kind of reached those indicators?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I would say this.

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Speaker 4: I think we've we've played really well for quite a while.

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Speaker 4: I do think though it's a long season. You sort

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Speaker 4: of said, like my mindset is sort of going back

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Speaker 4: to the previous questions, Okay, what things can go wrong?

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Speaker 4: What things are we're trying to fix. But certainly, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think that we've we've we've show a position playing

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Speaker 4: group has.

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Speaker 3: Been really good. I do think that I.

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Speaker 4: Think we've pitched well considering some of the injuries. But

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Speaker 4: I do think that's an area that we need to

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Speaker 4: continue to bolster. So yeah, I think there's areas we

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Speaker 4: certainly need to upgrade. And it's just a long season.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't get it. You know there's no.

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Speaker 3: Metal for halfway. You know you gotta you gotta keep going.

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Speaker 3: And that that's probably how I look at it.

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Speaker 1: Jed, thanks so much for joining us. Well we'll leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Appreciate you giving us some of your time.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be bugging you over the next month plenty.

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Speaker 1: See it Wrigley and on the road and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: I did this podcast so you wouldn't sorry.

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Speaker 1: It was not a great beforehand. Sorry and fulfill that problems.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks so much for listening to everyone.

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