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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined by my

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Speaker 1: partner in crime, West Hodkuwitz. Were coming to you here

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Speaker 1: from our studios at lambeau Field West. The preseason finale

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Speaker 1: is on deck. It is in Buffalo, a noon Central

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Speaker 1: time kick off on Saturday, game being broadcast on NFL

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Speaker 1: Network for those who are outside of the Packers television

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Speaker 1: network viewing area. And then also we'll have your quarter

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Speaker 1: by quarter updates my live game blog on Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: So all kinds of ways to follow this preseason finale,

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Speaker 1: but let's just do a little bit here in each

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Speaker 1: of the three phases as far as what to look

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Speaker 1: for in this final preseason game on the offensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. What are you watching well? First and forwards, Mike,

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Speaker 1: it feels like just two weeks ago the preseason started well,

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Speaker 1: because it did just start two weeks ago. West, it

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Speaker 1: be uncharted territory for old veterans like me and you

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Speaker 1: and I really look at those guards. I know you

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Speaker 1: and I every week it seems like we've stepped on

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Speaker 1: this this set and we've discussed this, but I don't

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Speaker 1: recall a time in which both guard positions were kind

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Speaker 1: And in this training camp we've seen basically every different

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Speaker 1: I think over the last week now you never know

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Speaker 1: And I digress from the original point. But the other

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Speaker 1: We will have to see. Devin Funcius will not be

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Speaker 1: So it's not looking good in that regard. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Just I know there's been the injury issues. So there's

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Speaker 1: I think they're for sure keeping six. The question is

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Speaker 1: you could see it happening with a Mari Rogers being

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Speaker 1: on this roster. But no matter which way you slice it, Mike,

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Speaker 1: for these receivers, everybody that suits up and puts the

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Speaker 1: lifetime to show what they have to offer. Yeah. Absolutely, Well,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say it, Mike. We didn't talk about the

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the most that the packers have to

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Speaker 1: You know who's the best fit for sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: a dime defensive back role, all of that, All of

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Speaker 1: and it's funny, Mike, all these years they've had undrafted

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