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Speaker 1: And welcome met Lay kick on the air.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night in March, eighteenth year of Our

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Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Lot of roundball going on in the world.

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Speaker 2: I understand that, but that doesn't mean that we can't

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Speaker 2: still have a cham pack show of college football here.

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Speaker 2: You listen at your convenience. Could be tonight, it could

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Speaker 2: be tomorrow morning. But what we have to say, I

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Speaker 2: think is pretty consequential. We have got, as I said,

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Speaker 2: a jam packed show. We're going all over the country.

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Speaker 2: We've got Big ten spring questions. A lot of you

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Speaker 2: have asked about that. Why haven't we done it already?

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Speaker 2: Some of the spring camps are starting a little bit

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Speaker 2: later up there. It tends to get warmer a little

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Speaker 2: the South.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to touch on that tonight.

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Speaker 2: Add nauseum, the dead period, that recruiting dead period. We

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Speaker 2: have sort of beaten that drum for a little while.

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Speaker 2: Expected maybe it could end on May thirty first, looks

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Speaker 2: May thirty first. Now that is kind of a rubber

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Speaker 2: stamp at this point, But what does it mean? This

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Speaker 2: is very important and it's dispos It's not a big

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Speaker 2: deal to Alabama, could be a huge deal to a

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Speaker 2: program like Auburn or Florida State or Texas, and so

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Speaker 2: a number of programs, a number of players are going

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Speaker 1: Shane Beemer's future, I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because of the interview Brandon Marcelo did

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Speaker 2: with him that we put up on the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: It was a big feature on twenty twenty four to

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Speaker 2: seven sports dot com, and a lot of you have

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Speaker 2: asked about him, and it's a weird thing right now.

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Speaker 1: Shane Beemer's never been a head coach a day in.

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Speaker 2: His life college level, obviously, and yet it seems like

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are already decided one way or

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Speaker 2: for him, which is atypical. Normally, if a new head

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Speaker 2: about him. I have some things to say about him tonight.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to recrank up the Mood Tracker segment,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about Penn State football. And I also

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Speaker 2: meant to tell you the other night, so let me

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Speaker 2: put it out there now. The next Late Kicks Show

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Speaker 2: Owners Association meeting we do, as always, will depend on you.

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Speaker 2: But the benchmark we want to hit this time, it's

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Speaker 2: not going to be Twitter this time. We're looking for

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Speaker 2: I think it's two thousand, when we get to two

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Speaker 2: thousand followers on the Instagram account which is at Late

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Speaker 2: Kick Josh, Josh Pate, you know my name.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on there.

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Speaker 2: When we get to two thousand there, that's when we'll

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Speaker 2: line up the next Late Kick Show Owners Association meeting.

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Speaker 2: So with all the housekeeping out of the way, let's

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Speaker 2: to the Big ten. Biggest spring questions in the Big ten, Boy,

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Speaker 2: it's a loaded spring. I don't know what the fall

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Speaker 2: are a lot of sub questions that we could work

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Speaker 1: We recently had a transfer come in. But I think

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Speaker 2: Of folks up there assume that the main two players

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Speaker 2: no particular order, JJ McCarthy five starring coming freshmen, and

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Speaker 2: A lot of I think the misconception around the quarterback

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's the guy, because there's no way McNamara is

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Speaker 1: So here's the way I view this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: No one's deciding a quarterback battle obviously in the spring

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Speaker 2: there's a misleading stat. Well it's not really misleading. You

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of talent to shuffle around and mix

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Speaker 2: going back the quarterback position to at Penn State Seawan Clifford.

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Speaker 2: But remember last year when everyone was all excited, because

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Speaker 2: Never got off the ground, totally fizzled. The wood was

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Speaker 1: They got guys that have been around the block.

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Speaker 2: It's not the most talented unit the country, but they

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Speaker 2: at least we get spring this year, Like there's a

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Speaker 2: lot if you think about twenty twenty one with Penn State,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot we get this year that maybe we

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Speaker 2: We don't talk Indiana football a lot here, and they're

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Speaker 2: Last year they snuck up on a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: This year, a lot of people will say that, and

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Speaker 1: But think about what they have coming back.

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Speaker 2: So Michael Pennix is the star quarterback, they're going to

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Speaker 2: have that exact same mentality. Do you have the drool

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this, the NCAA recruiting dead period. We

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Speaker 2: This is what we expected when it got extended a

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Speaker 2: my problem with all of this. It's been easy to

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Speaker 2: months have gone by with no in person contact, in

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Speaker 1: There have been no camps. Therefore, there have been no

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Speaker 1: You noticed on signing day Georgia they were all there.

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Speaker 2: No, Mike, the world just got turned upside down. And

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Speaker 1: And none of these kids know you.

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Speaker 2: You haven't gotten your coaching staff in front of any

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Speaker 2: still gonna have a recruiting period. We're still gonna have

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Speaker 1: A good class. What was Mike Norvell supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: What would have happened if there was a job. In fact,

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Speaker 2: or any kind of correspondence I have with you guys

437
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,679
Speaker 2: where someone says, h I don't know. It's wait and

438
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,520
Speaker 2: see for me on Shane Biemer. At like a five

439
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 2: to one ratio for a guy who's never been a

440
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,280
Speaker 2: head coach, I either hear it's going to be a

441
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 2: home run higher in time, or it's going to be

442
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,040
Speaker 2: a disaster.

443
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Speaker 1: Everyone's got their mind made up.

444
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,640
Speaker 2: I am in the vast minority here because I'm sitting

445
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,199
Speaker 2: here twiddling my thumb saying, you know, I think, and

446
00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 2: it's a radical strategy, but I think I'll probably just

447
00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,920
Speaker 2: wait for the guy to coach a game or two

448
00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,000
Speaker 2: or ten or two years, maybe even before I decide

449
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 2: on him.

450
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Speaker 1: This is not a fairy tale world.

451
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 2: So what I'm gonna do here is I want to

452
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 2: set the realistic foundation the odds are long for any

453
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,479
Speaker 2: head coach at South Carolina, Shane Beemer especially, It's going

454
00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,359
Speaker 2: to be extremely difficult there.

455
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 1: They are going to be fighting upstream at every turn.

456
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 2: They're going to be at a roster disadvantage relative to

457
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 2: several teams on their annual schedule, including their in state rival,

458
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 2: which is an out of conference game. All that is

459
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 2: in place, All that's reality. This is not a fairy tale.

460
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 2: This is not something where you say, hey, ten games

461
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,440
Speaker 2: first year, watch and see not happening. What could happen? Though,

462
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of times, this time included,

463
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: it's really easy to focus on what isn't there. What

464
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 2: isn't there at South Carolina in all likelihood is the

465
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,479
Speaker 2: opportunity to just shock people in year one, to contend

466
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 2: for the SEC East in year one. I don't know

467
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 2: if Nick Saban could take over the program and do that.

468
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean Saban took over Alabama and went seven and

469
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 2: six his first year, so I don't expect much different

470
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 2: from Shane Beemer. In fact, seven and six will probably

471
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 2: be a good start. But let's just take a second,

472
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Speaker 2: if you will indulge me here, instead of talking about

473
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Speaker 2: what all isn't there. I do want to talk about

474
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,199
Speaker 2: some things that are there because I've spoken about this

475
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: in the past. Carolina fans, for obvious reasons, they get

476
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 2: on board with this. Some people who have gone to

477
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 2: kill Carolina for games, they get on board. Most of

478
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 2: you have not been to a game at Williams Brice Stadium.

479
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: Most of you have not spent a lot of time

480
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 2: in Columbia South Carolina. Because as much as.

481
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Speaker 1: Everything I just said is reality, on the negative side,

482
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 1: you can change all those things. You know, the difficulty, the.

483
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: Roster, disadvantage of the perception, all that's in your control.

484
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: So in a way, those are odds stacked against you.

485
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: But the right coaching staff can turn those odds. But

486
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 2: let me tell you what you do have at Carolina.

487
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: What you do have at Carolina, I want you to

488
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 1: think about this is a head coach that views South

489
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: Carolina football as a Tier one destination job.

490
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 2: That is not a true Tier one destination job. We

491
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: don't compare South Carolina with Ohio State, we don't compare

492
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 2: them with Alabama. Shane Beemer does, though it's very unique

493
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 2: now whether he ends up being the right guy for

494
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 2: the job, obviously, that's the chance that you take those

495
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 2: of the dice you roll. But there are two programs

496
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: right now that the rest of the country would not

497
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: consider bona fide tier one destination jobs that the current

498
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 2: head coaches do deem that. And that's Jeff Collins at

499
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. And that's Shane Beemer at South Carolina. What

500
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 2: does that mean, Well, think about what it's like if

501
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 2: they end up being the right guy. If you did

502
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 2: catch the proverbial lightning in a bottle. You've got a

503
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: guy who's never going to leave, and you got a

504
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 2: guy who's willing not to go to the edge of

505
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: the cliff but over the cliff, and the entire programs

506
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: following him for the brand that they represent, South Carolina,

507
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. And so that is invaluable, very invaluable. Number two,

508
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 2: and this is a very important thing to note, there

509
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 2: is not a massive facilities gap they have to make

510
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: up the new head coach. When he was going to

511
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: walk in the door, it ends up being Shane Beemer.

512
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: It's not a situation where you look around and you say, man,

513
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: Mushchamp failed here obvious wine, look at this place. It's

514
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: a dump. Carolina's really nice. Carolina's upgraded a lot of

515
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: the things they need to upgrade the infrastructures there. In fact,

516
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: that was part of the frustration with Will Muschamp. We

517
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 2: gave you everything he said you needed to win, and

518
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 2: then you didn't win. So we got to get a

519
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: new guy in here. And once Shane Beemer walked in there,

520
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't know when the last time he had been

521
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: back to Columbia was, but that place obviously had to

522
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: have looked a lot different for the better to him

523
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: than it looked last time he was there. They are

524
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: doing a good, in fact, an excellent early job of

525
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: selling Columbia, South Carolina to folks. And this is what

526
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: you have to do. You got to sell experience. You

527
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: don't have a product right now to sell. You don't

528
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 2: have the trophy case to sell. A lot of the

529
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: history that you and I may view is just a

530
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: little while ago, you know, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, it's

531
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Speaker 2: not just a little while ago. If you're sixteen years old,

532
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: you were a child when that stuff was happening.

533
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Speaker 1: I mean you were barely old enough. In some cases.

534
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: If you're in high school right now, you're barely old

535
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: enough to remember the jadeveon Clowney years. The lat of

536
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: more years. You don't remember that nearly as fondly as

537
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: we do. You gotta sell Columbia, and they've done a

538
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 2: really good job of it. If you haven't been to

539
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: Colombia lately, don't tell me. I went to a game

540
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: there in two thousand and two. I know what Colombia

541
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: is like.

542
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: No, you don't. Different town, totally different town.

543
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: And they're doing a really good job of exclamating that

544
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: point to as much as they can. You got to

545
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: get kids on campus. That's another part of lifting the

546
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: dead period, and that's going to help them the game

547
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: day experience at South Carolina and the culture at South Carolina.

548
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: The reason you've got to get kids on campus is

549
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: because if you're ever there, I've been there for big games.

550
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: I've been there at field level, on the field, on

551
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 2: the sideline when they've beaten Georgia.

552
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: I've been on the.

553
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: Sideline for that Alabama game a couple years ago. Phenomenal.

554
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: If you closed your eyes and I told you, hey,

555
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: what's this LSU game at Death Valley, Like, what's this

556
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: Alabama game at Bryan Denny, Like, you'd say, man, it

557
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: sounds really loud in here, and then I'd say, open

558
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: your eyes.

559
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: This is WILLIAMS. Brice Stadium sandstorm. They don't play that

560
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: at LSU. It's an incredible environment.

561
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know about it because you

562
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: haven't been able to get a lot of the elite

563
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 2: fruits in the country in there. Fruits short for recruits.

564
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: Got to get them in there, and so they got

565
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: a lot to sell. There is a lot there. You

566
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: just got to be able to harness it and capitalize

567
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: on it. What was the Tom Hanks reference that I

568
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: was making, Well, I want you to go to castaway

569
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: planes crashed in the middle of the Pacific, and then

570
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: you wash a shit and what is the first thing

571
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 2: that you're doing. Well, first thing you're doing is you're

572
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: trying to you know, sos with your flashlight. But the

573
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: second thing you're doing, once you realize it's going to

574
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: be an extended stay here on this island is we

575
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: got to make fire. We gotta have a way to cook,

576
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: We got to have a way to stay warm. You

577
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: remember watching Tom Hanks tried to build that fire and

578
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: how he rubbed those sticks together and rubbed his hands

579
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 2: raw and busted his blisters open and looked like it

580
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: was never gonna happen. That will be the South Carolina

581
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: job for Shane Biemer in the immediacy and in the

582
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: UH short to.

583
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: Mid term future.

584
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: Hopefully this is the big if, this is the big unknown,

585
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: This is looking over the horizon. If they can finally

586
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: get that spark. Tom Hanks got it. He finally got it.

587
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: You remember how that went. It wasn't a little spark

588
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: for long. It all of a sudden became I have

589
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: created fire, and you got fire, and then it's just

590
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: there and you build a big bonfire and all's.

591
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Speaker 1: Well, okay. At that point, it's kind of like Dabbo

592
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: and Clumson. They're tired of hearing this comparison South Carolina

593
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons.

594
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 2: But that's how it was for Dabbo. He rubbed those

595
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: sticks together for a long time.

596
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were winning in the ac but then they

597
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: get wrecked by Florida State, and then they get wrecked

598
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: in the Orange Bowl, and they thought they had arrived

599
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: a couple of times before they really arrived. Will South

600
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: Carolina arrive under Shane Beemer. I'm going to tell you this,

601
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: He's got all the ingredients there, Whether the rest of

602
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: the country realizes it or not. To make it happen,

603
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: rub those sticks together and keep rubbing them, and keep

604
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: rubbing them, and keep rubbing them. All you need is

605
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: the spark. You'll get the fire. After that, Let's roll on.

606
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: Let's wrap up the show as a matter of fact,

607
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: and let's bring back the Mood Tracker, which has been

608
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: a phenomenally successful series for us.

609
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: How about the Penn State Mood Tracker on this fine evening,

610
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: Hiding in plain sight is the mood.

611
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: That I have given to the Penn State fan base.

612
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to say something, but I really have

613
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: to qualify it. So you know how sometimes if you're

614
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: at a family reunion, you can bust each other's chops.

615
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 1: All you want to.

616
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: There is a way that you can talk to family

617
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: that you would never allow an outsider to talk about family.

618
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the way Penn State is

619
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: right now, if you're amongst each other, if I'm embedding

620
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: myself into the Penn State fan base for the next

621
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: few minutes, we know where the holes are. We know

622
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: how perilously perilously, Yeah, we know how perilously. Then the

623
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: linebacker situation is, safety doesn't look much better. We understand

624
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: the limitations that we've seen at quarterback. We haven't gotten

625
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: that figured out yet. We got a new coordinator coming

626
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: in hopefully that solves that. We understand all that, and

627
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: we're fine talking to each other about that. What we're

628
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: not willing to do is listen to an outsider talk

629
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: about how Penn State's an afterthought. Penn State's not an afterthought.

630
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: You just have to properly contextualize twenty twenty. That's all

631
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: you have to do. And so if I'm listening to

632
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: an outsider, and this is why I say it's hiding

633
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: in plain sight, Penn State hasn't gone anywhere. Penn State

634
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: was one of those programs that we've spoken about many times,

635
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: even on this very show, that was disproportionately impacted by COVID,

636
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: and not just not just the pandemic, but what it

637
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: did for programs that had a bunch of new pieces

638
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: that they had to sort out and then they had

639
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: spring snatched from them. It's really that simple. There's no

640
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: reason to overthink the room here, because if you're going

641
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: to sell me on the idea of the false idea

642
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: at that that twenty twenty is the real Penn State.

643
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: You're trying to sell me on the idea that James

644
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: Franklin and a lot of proven commodities at Penn State

645
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: forgot how to run the caliber program that they had

646
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: run the previous four years where they were averaging a

647
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: double digit win season.

648
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: It's stupid.

649
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: It's not just ignorant, like that's outright stupidity. And so

650
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: when I look at the crystal ball, let's say, for

651
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: Penn State, I think it's a lot more likely in

652
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Speaker 2: time that they operate at the level that we saw

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Speaker 2: prior to twenty twenty than the one we saw in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. But I want to note when I'm saying

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Speaker 2: these things, it extends beyond just twenty twenty one. This

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Speaker 2: is not necessarily a twenty twenty one prediction segment the

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00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: ceiling on this particular season. And the reason I'm so

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Speaker 2: guarded in the language I'm using is because I've seen

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Speaker 2: those spring depth charts. I've looked at and listened to

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Speaker 2: a lot of the rumblings and whispers coming out of

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Speaker 2: Penn State. It's concerning to look at certain levels of

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Speaker 2: that defense and to ask ourselves, what's the ceiling like

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Speaker 2: if we don't attack the transfer portal. If we don't

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Speaker 2: close our eyes and take a nap and wake up

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Speaker 2: and have things look a lot different by the time

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Speaker 2: we get to fall camp, then these current depth projections

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00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: have us looking at places like linebacker and safety. We

668
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: can't win ten games this year. It's just not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be too many teams capable of exploiting us

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00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: through the air. Listen, defensive end has a lot to

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00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: be figured out on that front as well. So there

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00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: are areas on this team, obviously where there are glaring holes.

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00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: And I'll get back to you know how that just

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Speaker 2: leads to James Franklin again having to prove himself in

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Speaker 2: just a second.

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Speaker 1: But great staffs find ways to fill holes. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just transfer portal, you know. I'll circle back around

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Speaker 1: to it. Now.

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Speaker 2: This is where you find out how good a coaching

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Speaker 2: staff you really have. I think I know, I think

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Speaker 2: I know that Penn State's got a really good coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times they're falsely held to

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Speaker 2: the standard of excellence that a place like Alabama has.

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Speaker 1: No one's meeting that. But look at the next tier,

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Speaker 1: you know, look.

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Speaker 2: At what Penn State's done over the past four or

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Speaker 2: five years, count twenty twenty. If you want to discredit it,

688
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: if you want to, I don't care. They've proven themselves.

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Speaker 2: This isn't a new coaching staff. They're not unknown commodities.

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Speaker 2: But here's what you have to do. This is not

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and the NFL players are who they are largely,

692
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: and you look at them as pieces or commodities, and

693
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: they're puzzle pieces and so on a puzzle piece, it's

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Speaker 2: not hazy. You know what's on the puzzle piece. Either

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: it fits or it doesn't. This is college. It's a

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00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: developmental sport. But this is the most critical level in

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: this sport of development, at least on the broad stage.

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Speaker 1: Penn State's got to develop.

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Speaker 2: Like we can't just look at the linebacker and safety positions,

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Speaker 2: for example, and say, uh, got to hit up the portal.

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Speaker 1: Develop the guys you have.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to make them into all American players,

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00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: but develop them to where they're not going to cost

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00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: you football games. They don't have to win you games.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully Tom Yursicch and Sean Clifford in that offense, Hopefully

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Speaker 2: you can find a way for offense.

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Speaker 1: To win you games.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be able to develop enough to where

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Speaker 2: your defense doesn't lose you games. And so I think

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Speaker 2: Penn State's high in plain sight because I think this

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00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: team's a lot closer to being the caliber that it

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Speaker 2: takes to be a New Year six Bowl contender, that

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Speaker 2: Big Ten contender. Got a little ways to go to

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Speaker 2: catch up to Ohio State, grant that, but you can

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00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: be behind Ohio State and still be a really, really

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Speaker 2: solid program.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think Penn State is right now.

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Speaker 2: That's why I think it's a fair mood to just

719
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Speaker 2: think that you're hiding in plain sits like everyone's looking

720
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: around you and past you, and we're right here. We

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Speaker 2: haven't really gone anywhere, I mean, unless you've been fooled

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Speaker 2: by twenty twenty. And yeah we may have some we

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Speaker 2: may have some bumps on our road this year, but

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Speaker 2: we're pretty good, aren't we. Yeah, yeah, we're still pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So you don't have to second guess yourself. You can

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Speaker 2: have a lot of pride in this program and rest

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Speaker 2: assured that there are still bright days ahead. I particularly

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Speaker 2: am looking forward to this year and finding out what

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Speaker 2: they are able to do defensively, whether they hit the

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Speaker 2: transfer portal or not, You're going to find out a

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Speaker 2: lot about this coaching staff's ability to develop, because there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of chicken salad that needs to be made

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Speaker 2: and I'm not so sure what the ingredients are there

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Speaker 2: to put it in kindest college football terms that I can.

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Speaker 2: So that's the mood track of Penn State, and that

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Speaker 2: is our show tonight. We appreciate you taking time to watch,

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Speaker 2: even in the middle of March madness. Feel free to

738
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Speaker 2: go watch some basketball, but also make sure you're subscribing

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00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: to the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel. Also

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Speaker 2: again trying to get to that two k mark over

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Speaker 2: on Instagram at late kick, Josh find me there looking

742
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: forward to obviously a lot more springball to talk about,

743
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: and we just keep counting down. There's the hourglass right

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00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: off stage the sand stile, a lot of it in

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Speaker 2: the top half, slowly trickling down.

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Speaker 1: We will eventually get to a college football season.

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Speaker 2: Until then, for Director Emeritus Colin and the entire crew

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Speaker 2: in Connecticut, I'm Josh Bate.

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Speaker 1: Have a great rest of your evening in Goblin,