1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, Am Polly 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We sure did talk 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: about Joseph Pulitzer all week for the whole week, and 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: we sure did still have to leave out an awful lot. Um. 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: You could do a whole podcast series on Pulitzer because 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: his name touches so many things, and also there was 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: just a lot that went on in his life that 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: is sometimes fascinating, sometimes weird. We'll talk about a few 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: of those things today. We mentioned that when William Randolph 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: Hurst bought The New York Journal that Pulitzer's brother Albert 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: was sort of involved sort of UM, and we had 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: mentioned that Albert came over after Pultzer sort of gotten settled. 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 1: There is kind of a sad story because Albert also 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: went into publishing, was actually pretty good at it by 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: most accounts, but he just didn't have like the drive 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: an ambition of his brother, so he really didn't, you know, 18 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: he kind of fades in the background historically, UM, and 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: the two were definitely in a situation where their relationship 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: was quite strained because of the competition between them. Which stinks. 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: But um Albert had owned the New York Journal, he 22 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: sold it to a man named John McClean, not from 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: die Hard obviously, and then John McClean turned around and 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: sold it to Hearst. So there's also an interesting like 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 1: just through line there of that having been Albert's paper 26 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: that Hearst then used to drive down the World's numbers, 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: which had to have been an extra layer of insult, 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: probably related to the Hearst thing, and specifically the Yellow Kid, 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the artist that we mentioned that Pullets are hired to 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: replace Cult who his name I have heard pronounced many ways. 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: We went with that pronunciation because it seems like most 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: American UM journalists that cover this story say it that way. 33 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: If that's not the way you say it, I'm sorry. 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: But the artists were actually talking about is George Luck, 35 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: who replaced him at the World and started doing Hogan's 36 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Alley there. George Luck has this completely compelling painting career 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: that I he's another one that's on the list for 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: me now because uh, he's just he fascinates me. There's 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: a photograph of him where what really struck me was 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: that it looks like every artist photograph any of my 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: friends that like work in art or in comics would 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: have taken today, like the expression is there that kind 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: of rye smart alecky but wonderful, really charming expression. I'm 44 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: sort of obsessed with George Luck Now. Um, we didn't 45 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: mention it in the the show, but the St. Louis 46 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: Post Dispatch, which poets are left after that whole shooting incident, 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: he he didn't sell it. He still had the Post Dispatch, 48 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: And in our Shape and Episode we mentioned that he 49 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: went to St. Louis for a while and worked there. Um, 50 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: and that actually stayed in the Pulitzer family for a 51 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: long time, like almost up until the twenty first century. 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: So just know that that wasn't an abandoned thing. We 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: also didn't talk about this thing that happened again. We 54 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: had to take I had to take so much out 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: because it was just ballooning. In nineteen hundred, Pulitzer's house 56 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: in Manhattan burned essentially to the ground. He was not 57 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: home at the time. Um Kate was home and she 58 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: had like run back into the burning building like a 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: couple of times to get the kids out. One of 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: their governesses died in the fire because she had gone 61 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: back in to get Christmas presents that she had left inside. 62 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: It was like a big tragedy. It's an interesting point 63 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: for me in that I will say I I was 64 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: reading about it and I had that moment of but 65 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, um, so Kate and the 66 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: children then went to a fancy pants unicorn hotel to 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: stay while they figured out their next house, and they 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: put up the staff in a boarding house, and I 69 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: was like, of course the staff might to a boarding house. Um. 70 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: But then the Pulletzers did some pretty interesting things in 71 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: that Kate then had a tailor make all new wardrobes 72 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: for all of the staff. Um and Pulletzer donated a 73 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: lot of money to the emergency services that had responded 74 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: to the fire and tried to take care of people 75 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: that were tangentially impacted by it. Like I think that 76 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't quote me on this, I think that governess 77 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: is family got a substantial amount of money. Yeah, it's 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: kind of interesting, Like they were pretty benevolent in the 79 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: way they handled everything in the aftermath. Still very scary 80 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: and easy to do when you're richer than Yeah, you know. Yeah. 81 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: One of the things I had noticed when trying to 82 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: find a picture to put on our social media, needing 83 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: two pictures because we have two parts. Uh is there 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: was a surprising lack of like publicly available photos of him, 85 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: which surprised me based on when he lived in his prominence, 86 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: like usually somebody who was around at this point and 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: was as prominent as he was. There's just a wealth 88 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: of photographs and formal portraits and all of this other stuff, 89 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: and there were just a lot fewer of them than 90 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: I expected. And many of the ones that were there 91 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: are like scans of something that was printed in a 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: book that obviously looks like a late nineteenth century book 93 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: scan and not something like an actual print of a photograph. 94 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: And you had told me this is probably why. Yeah, 95 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: a lot of things were destroyed in that fire. A 96 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: lot of art that they had collected was destroyed in 97 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: that fire. Um, portraits, there were definitely portraits mentioned, both 98 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: photographic portraits and some paintings of both Joseph and Kate 99 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: and I think they're children that were destroyed in that fire. 100 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I had also mentioned to you that, Um, there are 101 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: places that you know have archives of Pulitzer material, and 102 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: in some cases, if they've scanned the actual material, you 103 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: will see that it has burnt edges, or in some 104 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: cases half of the document is burned away, and it's 105 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: kind of been pieced together by archivists what it likely 106 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: said in the spaces that didn't exist. So we did 107 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: lose a lot of details about him, and I wonder 108 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: if that doesn't contribute to some degree to that sort 109 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: of gap of understanding about his health. It's really interesting 110 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: to read about his health because it always seems that 111 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: everyone who was close to him, I don't want to 112 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: say they ignored his issues or his mentions of it, 113 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: but no one thought he was in like an imminent 114 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: health crisis. Like, no one was like he could go 115 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: at any moment, we need to be on constant watch. 116 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: It was like, yes, he's always kind of had these issues, 117 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: but he's fine. That's just how he is. Um. Which 118 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: makes it interesting that Kate was imp impressed upon enough 119 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: by that that telegram she got the day before he died. 120 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: I think it was the day he died where she 121 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: was like, I have to get to South Carolina. Yeah. 122 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: We mentioned also that their marriage was not awesome. Um, 123 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: there was. I did not follow down this rabbit hole 124 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: because it wasn't that interesting to me and I don't 125 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: like to Um, it just didn't feel right to like 126 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: go through the salacious, gossipy parts. Although this is pretty 127 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: well verified that Kate had for a while Ben romantically 128 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: involved with one of the editors that worked for Pulitzer. Um, 129 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, clearly, like there's was not a relationship of 130 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: like constant affection at all. Um, he was gone so much. 131 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's not surprising that they became 132 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: romantically attached to others. She did, for sure. I don't 133 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: know that he ever did. He was romantically attached to 134 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: his work, is what I think. We also didn't talk 135 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: about the code book in this episode, which is pretty interesting, 136 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: but like it came up in Chapins, So I felt 137 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: like that in particularly was in particular felt like retreading 138 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: old ground where he had this whole codebook of words 139 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: that he would use to communicate with his editors so 140 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: that if someone intercepted a telegram or something, they wouldn't 141 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: know what was really going on. And that one of 142 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: the things that I read that was kind of charming 143 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: was that like it was considered, you know, a badge 144 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: of honor for an employee to have a copy of 145 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: that codebook because it was like, I'm in the inner circle. 146 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: Now I know what all the missives really mean. UM, 147 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: which is kind of fascinating. You know, people get very 148 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: attached to their jobs and they become their identities, and 149 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: achievement at their job becomes what makes them feel important. 150 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you shouldn't feel good about doing good jobs. 151 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just have feelings on that issue 152 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: that aren't necessary necessarily what everyone else would have. UM. 153 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: We didn't talk a lot about Lucille's death either, which 154 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: was again, she was seventeen, so she was old enough 155 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: that you know, she was a significant part of the family, 156 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: and her health had been kind of up and down 157 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: for several months, and they were scared she was going 158 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: to die on Christmas Eve and she didn't, and she 159 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, had even made sure that everybody had presents 160 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: and stuff, and then she rallied, but she I had 161 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve. UM. And one biography I read 162 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: made made a really interesting point that like Joseph Pulitzer 163 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: had grown up with his siblings dying and his father 164 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: dying and just like burying one family member after another, 165 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: and then it kind of seemed like he had made 166 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: this for the most part insulated world. They had lost 167 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: that one child when she was a toddler, but other 168 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: than that, you know, into his adult life he had 169 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: really kind of, for lack of a better phrase, kept 170 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: himself safe from that kind of heartache again. And there 171 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: really is a moment where, like after Lucille dies, which 172 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: I think we had said was eight seven, he seemed 173 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: like he became more withdrawn from everyone else again, Like 174 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: that's really when he kind of starts living on the 175 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: yacht most of the time and like kind of putting 176 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: himself in this own cone of silence even when he's 177 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: not with the family. And I, um, I feel like 178 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: he is one of those people that would have been 179 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: a fitted so deeply from talking to a mental health professional. 180 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Well I you know, all of the resources on earth 181 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: could not have helped him at the well and that 182 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: that whole incident in his newsroom, Like as I was 183 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: reading that, I was like, therapy. I think all of you, 184 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: I know, therapy today versus when they were living not 185 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: quite the very different thing. But also man, the fact 186 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: that that that that whole bickering scenario was like all 187 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: of you needed to talk to somebody about how to 188 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: deal with your angry feelings. It was honestly like reading 189 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: those newspaper jabs at each other back and forth, felt 190 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: like reading social media, just a slower version where I 191 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: was like, you guys are all very special and important. 192 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: You don't have to fight. You're all very valid good boys. 193 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I just the amount of 194 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: bickering the led to somebody getting killed. Um, that's where 195 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I will say this, Cockerel had a history 196 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: of gun violence, so it's not real surprising that he 197 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: was ready to shoot sleep back. Um, he had been 198 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: in duels and whatnot before. He was very quick to 199 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: challenge people to duels. That was never satisfactorily solved isn't 200 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: the right word because it wasn't considered like an investigative case. 201 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: But it's kind of like, you know, the Panama Canal. 202 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Things futtered out. There was never any conclusive determination, and 203 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: it it was like, yeah, there's no evidence, so I 204 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: guess this didn't happen, or it's it's gone if it did. 205 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: There was just so much drama and scandal and strife 206 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: around the Panama Canal and it has come up over 207 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean just decades of history and multiple different episodes 208 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: of the show, and I'm not sure if prior host 209 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: sever did something that was like more of a comprehensive 210 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: look at it. Seems like there's something that has like 211 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: is like way back in the archive that's also related, 212 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: but it's just just whole saga of the Panama Canal. Yeah, 213 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to keep track of everything because so 214 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: many people eventually had a stake in it, and they 215 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: were all trying to protect their own interests in ways 216 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: that led them to lie about things that like, untangling 217 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: that particular mess is very, very difficult. I will tell 218 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: you a funny thing end this on a more hilarious note. 219 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't often do this, but particularly in thinking about 220 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: Pulitzer and Hearst without intending to, I cast actors in 221 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: my head of who they are. Love this and I 222 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: realized I have always thought of this actor as Pulitzer 223 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: or no reason I can figure out, and it's Guy Pierce. 224 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Hurst is a little bit of 225 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: a thing where my brain knows better but still keeps 226 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: making this same casting choice, which is Gerald McCraney, who 227 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: I love, but he played George Hurst in Deadwood. But 228 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: my brain just went Hirst, Hirst, Hirst, and so he's 229 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: always William Randolph Hurst, even though he only ever played 230 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: William's father George. So those are those are the two 231 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: men who are battling it out in my head when 232 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: I envisioned these two titans of publishing fighting with each other. 233 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: That's awesome. So if anybody ever writes a Pulitzer biopic 234 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: or directs it, please do everything you can to cast 235 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Guy Pierced in the role. That would be great for 236 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: my my mental well being and uh would delight me 237 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: on multiple levels. So much Pulletzer, I feel like we 238 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: could never cover all of Pulletzer, just like the Panama Canal. 239 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: There's just too much. But that's those are two big 240 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: pieces of his life that I think covered the bigger 241 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: moments in broad strokes. There are lots of other little 242 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: business dealings and whatnot that merit investigation and discussion, but 243 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: they can all go into in a week of show. 244 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: That's what's up. Um. If this is the end of 245 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: your week, your work week, and you have some time 246 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: off ahead marvelous, I hope it goes spectacularly well and 247 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: that you m think about media bias when you go 248 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: through the world, because that kind of cracked me up 249 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: that Pulitzer was all about unbiased journalism, because you're unbiased 250 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: if you agree with me. Um. If you don't have 251 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: time off and you had to do some work, I 252 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: hope you also have at least some some restive moments 253 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: sometimes where you can chill out and be with yourself 254 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: in your cone of silence. 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