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Speaker 1: Cools Media.

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Speaker 2: Book Club book Club, book Club book Club. Hello and

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Cools one Media book Club, which is

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Speaker 2: going to be a rerun episode because, as you can

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Speaker 2: maybe tell by my voice, I'm too sick to record

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Speaker 2: an audio narration.

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Speaker 3: So that's why.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to run a rerun and I hope you

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Speaker 2: like it. We're going to rerun a story called the

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Speaker 2: Free Orcs of Cascadia, and I think as things are

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Speaker 2: falling apart, it's important to remember all the people who

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Speaker 2: choose to live in the cracks of the system and

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Speaker 2: possible futures that that might bring, especially if those people

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Speaker 2: all have swords. Isn't that what matters? I think that's

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Speaker 2: what matters. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the story, and

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Speaker 2: we'll be back soon with my voice not being destroyed

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Speaker 2: by coughing.

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Speaker 4: It could happen here to welcome THEE Evans Robert podcast.

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Speaker 4: End of the World at the beginning of news. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think we did it right.

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Speaker 1: Evans Evans Robert. Who's here with us?

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Speaker 4: That would be kill Joy, Margaret and Lichterm and Sophie.

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Speaker 3: I like this.

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Speaker 4: M m's keep it. Lichtman Komma, Sophie, kill Joy Comma, Margaret,

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Speaker 4: Margaret Commas. Also, I could also attorneys general. You kill

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Speaker 4: Joy's Margaret. One of my hobbies is anytime I pluralize something,

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Speaker 4: attorneys generally it Margaret. How are you. How are you

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Speaker 4: doing on this beautiful December.

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Speaker 2: Day.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I just got my booster shot and the

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Speaker 3: negative effects haven't kicked in yet.

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Speaker 4: That's good. How does it feel to have like, has

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Speaker 4: your internet sped up?

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Speaker 3: Now? I have a boost? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm making the same fighting that everybody makes because it's

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Speaker 4: easier than thinking about the fact that Omicron looks like

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a real, real nightmare and the

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Speaker 4: world's never going to go back to you know, it's

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Speaker 4: not going back to normal. I miss it's it's being

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Speaker 4: I was going to catch a new variant of a plague.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. How are you doing with the plague?

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Speaker 3: I live completely alone and isolated, so yeah, well, which

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Speaker 3: I you know, I'm not sure this is how I

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Speaker 3: would have built my life if I hadn't done it

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Speaker 3: during a plague. Yeah, I mean I dream about interacting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just like a hugging a person that that you

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Speaker 4: don't know all that well, and it not being like

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Speaker 4: involving both of you risking your life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a blood pact to Yeah, we're going

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Speaker 3: dug Yeah, and if.

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Speaker 4: We wind up in Hell, we'll scream at Satan together.

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Speaker 3: Come what may, you will hug.

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Speaker 4: You have written another story. I mean you wrote this

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Speaker 4: a while ago, as you did with the last one.

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Speaker 4: But we're doing We decided one of the things we

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Speaker 4: underappreciated role in revolutionary practice, in kind of every aspect

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Speaker 4: of being someone who envisions a different world. So we've

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Speaker 4: there was always a strong kind of focus on fiction.

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Speaker 4: And I'm really happy to be presenting another one of

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Speaker 4: your stories today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: You want to tell me introduce this piece?

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Speaker 3: Sure? This piece is called The Free Yorks of Cascadia.

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Speaker 3: It was first published in Fantasy and Sign Fiction, which

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Speaker 3: is the name of a magazine, and this one was

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Speaker 3: actually really important to me because Fantasy and Science Fiction

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Speaker 4: To Yeah they go. This was a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a very and it was a very

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. Well let's uh, let's let's let's take

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Speaker 3: Speaking of taking one's life in one's hands. The story

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Speaker 3: is called The Free Orcs of Cascadia. You all know

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Speaker 3: the first part of the story. The song ended in blood.

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Speaker 3: It was two years ago in the summer. Rick Green,

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Speaker 3: The last lyrics Greene ever sang were take me Back,

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Speaker 3: take me Back, take me Back to the Misty Mountains.

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Speaker 3: The man with the sword, of course, was Golfen Bull,

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Speaker 3: the rhythm guitarist for Crimpetool the opening act. He and

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Speaker 3: If golfen Ball had been trying to take the Goblin

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Speaker 3: Crimpetool was infamous. The band had never done an interview,

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Speaker 3: not even a photoshoot. Like everyone else these days in

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Speaker 3: casually obsessed with post civilization culture ever since the Communicate

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Speaker 3: saw those liner notes, I put out feelers to friends

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Speaker 3: I was invited to go to an orc village hidden

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Speaker 3: away in the burned forests of Cascadia. I was invited

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Speaker 3: to be the first person to tell golf and Ball's story,

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Speaker 3: a Hellfire Harriet exclusive. Usually I post full interviews for everyone,

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Speaker 3: This time, though, I'm foregoing that this story is too important,

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Speaker 3: so I've interspersed to the two below. All I knew

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Speaker 3: before I went was what everyone else knew. Three years ago.

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Speaker 3: A bunch of metal heads and hippies and burners and

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Speaker 3: I will never offer a platform to a fascist fascist. Fascism,

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Speaker 3: as it turns out, is the furthest thing from golf

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Speaker 3: to write this story. So you killed a guy, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I killed a guy. We stared in silence at one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, waiting for me to tell you about it, aren't you?

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Speaker 3: The interview was not off to a good start. Are

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Speaker 4: I killed Rick Green on stage with a sword in

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Speaker 4: front of thousands of witnesses. Talking to the media isn't

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Speaker 3: So why'd you do it?

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Speaker 4: The old world is dying My world, the free Orcs

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Speaker 4: element of that struggle is the struggle to create meaning,

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Speaker 4: to create a new sacred. I killed Rick Green because

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Speaker 4: he was defiling something meant to be sacred. How so

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Speaker 3: You killed him because he was a poser.

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Speaker 4: I guess you could put it like that.

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Speaker 3: So the lesson here is, don't be a poser.

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Speaker 4: Don't be a poser.

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Speaker 3: You heard it here first. Kids, don't be a poser,

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Speaker 3: ever present contrast between mondanity and the bizarre. I bought

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Speaker 3: been hoping for something out of Mad Max. The two

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Speaker 3: it turned out, an Orcish enforcer. That's me, I said Fenric.

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Speaker 3: The this woman offered her name, but no handshake, fist

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Speaker 3: I couldn't place it. How is this going to work?

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Speaker 3: I asked. We're going to drive around back where no

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Speaker 3: one can see us. Fenric said, We're going to take

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Speaker 3: We'll provide you with a recorder and notebook when we arrive.

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Speaker 3: You'll get your stuff back when we leave. I nodded.

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Speaker 3: I'd pretty much expected this. Do you need to use

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Speaker 3: should know about? No, and no, I said, either of

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Speaker 3: you want a coconut water. Goblin Forest sang in English,

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Speaker 3: but Crimpetole's lyrics were all in Tolkien's Black Speech Dark Speech.

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Speaker 4: Our lyrics were in dark Speech.

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Speaker 3: Stokin referred to the language as black speech.

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Speaker 4: Tolkien meant well, but he was about the most influential

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Speaker 4: unconsciously racist author of the twentieth century. All his villains

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Speaker 4: at best wildly misleading. Its name is a translation anyway,

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Speaker 4: It's possible that dark speech is just as accurate. Besides,

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Speaker 4: Tokien didn't write the language. He only wrote like sixteen

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Speaker 4: prefer to translate the name of it as dark speech.

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Speaker 3: Since when are murderers pc?

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Speaker 3: like her. Noorinda wore a simple, modest dress of undyed wool.

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Speaker 3: Golf and Bull stopped fidgeting and stared directly at me,

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Speaker 4: That's bullshit. I'm sorry, it's like three layers deep of bullshit.

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Speaker 4: Okay, to start, there are pretty much two ways to

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Speaker 3: So there's a split in the orc community.

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Speaker 4: Damn right, there's a split. The free Orcs are matriarchal

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Speaker 4: The matriarchal way of interpreting those tenets is roughly anarchist.

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Speaker 4: It's not racialized, but it's nationalistic. There are very specific

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Speaker 3: So you tell any doubters that you weren't trying to

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Speaker 4: No Orkish culture works that way. Even those fascistic shits

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Speaker 4: by demonstrating your capacity to lead. This isn't some fucking

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Speaker 3: I didn't have the heart or maybe the courage to

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Speaker 3: When you say battle flag, what do you mean? Who

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Speaker 4: Us? The free orcs? Are you at war for the

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Speaker 3: How'd that start?

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Speaker 4: When I cut down Rick Green the Mountain King?

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Speaker 3: You killed him because he was the leader of a

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Speaker 4: They weren't a rival faction until I killed him, But

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Speaker 3: Did you go on tour with Goblin Forrest specifically to

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Probably?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I'd been thinking about killing him

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know, because I've never killed anyone.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, I've known Rick Green almost five years.

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Speaker 4: He and I and maybe thirty other people. We started

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Speaker 4: this whole thing. Goblin Metal of the Orcs all of that.

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Speaker 4: Rick Green's always been a fucking bastard. I figured I'd

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Speaker 4: This is our life. It's one thing to put on

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Speaker 3: Am I safe here? He didn't answer me, at least

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Speaker 3: But there was an intensity in everyone's eyes you simply

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Speaker 3: Fnrick asked. I am. Golphen Bol doesn't live here. I

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Speaker 3: waited for her to elaborate. Golfenbol lives in the forest

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Speaker 3: You'll meet him a bit outside of town. I'll take

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Speaker 3: your new band, Alcareth. What does the name mean?

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Speaker 4: Alcareth is the dark speech word for the phase of

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Speaker 4: your naysayer. Free Orkish villages don't have leaders, We have naysayers.

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00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 4: Two years ago we tried rotating leadership. It was ineffectual.

433
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 4: We didn't need leaders. We stuck with it anyway because

434
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 4: we felt like we had to, because those were the

435
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 4: rules we had come up with. Then one person said, basically,

436
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 4: this is bullshit. We don't need someone to tell us

437
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 4: what to do. We need someone to tell us what

438
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: to stop doing. We need someone to tell us what

439
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 4: we're doing wrong. Every new moon, every village picks a

440
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 4: new name naysayer. That person spends the month picking up

441
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 4: heart group structures, observing what's happening, being critical on alcareth.

442
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 4: We fast and listen to the naysayer. They don't offer

443
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: solutions necessarily, but instead bring our problems to light. Does

444
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: that work surprisingly well? Except about a third of the

445
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: naysayers end up leaving after their month. Some go to

446
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 4: other villages, Some go to live in the forest, like

447
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: Nearinda al Sareth's singer did, but most leave the woods.

448
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: As we put it, most go back to civilization.

449
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 3: That's why Nearinda's name is sounded familiar when she didn't.

450
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: She introduced herself. To be honest, I saw your name

451
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: listen in the liner notes and didn't pay much attention

452
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 3: to the rest.

453
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 4: That's an argument for me to take my name off

454
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 4: our next release.

455
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: If there is one, why did you put it there

456
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: in the first place, Why did you agree to this interview?

457
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 3: And what do you mean if there is one?

458
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 4: I told you we're at war. Yeah, we're losing that war.

459
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: He took a deep breath, trying to keep himself calm.

460
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 3: He didn't strike me as a man who was afraid

461
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: to cry, but he was clearly trying to keep his composure.

462
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: There's no way that Gray Morrow would have let you

463
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: talk to me here if any of us thought that

464
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 4: Gray Morrow had a future. There's no way I would

465
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 4: have talked to you at all if I thought I

466
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: was going to be alive to see another Ulcereth.

467
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: Why are you losing? Why are you going to die?

468
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: It's not a question of military efficacy, or of bravery

469
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: or strength or any of that shit. It's just a

470
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 4: question of numbers. Orsine Society is a military society. Every

471
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: member fights. As far as we can tell, They've got

472
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred warriors. We've got five hundred.

473
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: So use guerrilla tactics. Golfenbal shook his head.

474
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 4: Striking Rick Green down from behind was a cowardly action.

475
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 4: I can justify it almost by the fact that Green

476
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: had declared himself my monarch. But the Orsine warriors are

477
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: my peers. They would not stalk me in the night.

478
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 4: I will not stalk them. That sounds, I know how

479
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: it sounds. So this interview I want to be remembered.

480
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: I want the free Orcs of Cascadia to be remembered.

481
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 4: I put my name on the liner note, so that

482
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: someone like you, an anti fascist music blogger, would talk

483
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 4: to me. I leveraged my own infamy to draw attention

484
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: to what we're doing, what we've done.

485
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: I fucking hate the tragic utopian trope? What like seriously,

486
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 3: like fuck you? Okay, I know I'm here as a journalist,

487
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to write your fucking obituary. I

488
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever turned on an interview subject like

489
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: that before. I get it. Hopeless causes are beautiful, But

490
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: as I understand it, the whole goddamn point of holding

491
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: on to your honor more firmly than your life is

492
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: because the world is a better place for everyone if

493
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: more people did that. Right, Okay, the world isn't a

494
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: goddamn better place if you let your subculture. And I'm sorry,

495
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: I know it's very serious and I'm not trying to

496
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: downplay it, but that's what this is, A musical subculture

497
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: be taken over by fucking Nazis, and I respect that

498
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 3: you're going to fight them for it. That's cool. But

499
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: if you consider buying some guns, maybe a few drones.

500
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: They'll come in here with spears, right, and you'll fight

501
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: them off with other spears. It's twenty twenty five. Man,

502
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: there are fucking Nazis everywhere. If you don't give a

503
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: shit about going to jail or dying, then fucking shoot

504
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: the Nazis who are trying to kill you.

505
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: You don't understand, You're fucking right.

506
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: I don't, if I'm being honest. Most of the time

507
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: I was waiting, I spent flirting with Narinda and avoiding

508
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: talking to Fenric. Miorinda asked me to keep our conversation

509
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: off the record. We didn't talk about Gray Morrow or

510
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: the orc thing much. Anyway. Everything I learned about the

511
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: village and its culture I learned by observation only. An

512
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: elderly man came by and offered us cold tea and

513
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: wooden mugs steeped BlackBerry leaves, sweetened with juice from the berries.

514
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: He said, no caffeine, no other particularly strong medicinal effects.

515
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: The three of us took cups from his platter, and

516
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: he continued down the street passing out drinks. No one

517
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: else approached us. I watched people go about their lives,

518
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: though the tension in the air was thick. I saw

519
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: a few people look at cell phones and spent a

520
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: not inconsiderable amount of time trying to decide if that

521
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: was hypocritical and or bad opsec Eventually I gave up,

522
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: because frankly, it wasn't my business, and one of the

523
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: most interesting things about all the post civilization groups is

524
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: all the bits and pieces they choose to carry over

525
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: from mainstream culture. Finally, after an hour, Fenric stood up

526
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: come with me. I followed her to the other side

527
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: of town and through a smaller gate. On the other side,

528
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: a box truck that had seen better days sat on

529
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: a road that had too. We skirted around the truck

530
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: and up into the black forest. The scorched hills looked

531
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: more like meadows than forests, with green grass and undergrowth

532
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: broken only by black spikes of burned trees. We followed

533
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 3: the path this way and that, and soon I was lost.

534
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: Soon after fog set in, I was further through the

535
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: looking glass than I had realized. I imagined us lost

536
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: a mile from a town full of people who give

537
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: a double meaning to the word stranger, and probably at

538
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: least an hour's drive from civilization. My guard hadn't shown

539
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: me much in the way of kindness, and I was

540
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: on my way to meet someone I knew to be

541
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: a murderer. It's the kindest shit I live for. If

542
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm being honest, I love my stupid, fucking weird job

543
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: and the stupid fucking weird world we live in. Thank you,

544
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: my readers, for making that possible for me. Be sure

545
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: to check out my Patreon page if this is the

546
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: first thing you've read by me. Lots of members only

547
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: content over there, including a few snippets of orc song

548
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: from Narinda. The only thing I saw in the distance

549
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: was a single black spire, thicker than the dead snags

550
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: around me. As we approached, it came into focus as

551
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: a boulder jutting up into the sky like an angry finger.

552
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: Sitting at the base of it was a short man

553
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: with a sword across his lap. Golfenbol. I'll leave you

554
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: to to it, Fenric said. She left me alone with

555
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: an armed murderer. I sat down across from him, took

556
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: out the notebook and recorder, and asked him questions. All right,

557
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: convince me.

558
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: We can't fight them dishonorably, because you can't protect an

559
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: idea by defiling that idea. We don't want them to

560
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: destroy our way of life, but we don't want to

561
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: destroy our way of life ourselves either.

562
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: The basic problem with the ore scene is that they're

563
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: interpreting your coat of honor to mean might makes right. Yeah. Yes,

564
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: By facing them an open battle and nobly dying or

565
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: whatever for your goddamn plan is, you're just letting them

566
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: make might right. You're letting their superior numbers dictate what

567
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: your culture has to look like. It's like majority voting,

568
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: but even dummer because more people die. I expected them

569
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: to double down on his position. Most men would.

570
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: What do you suggest instead.

571
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: Fuck, I don't know. Don't be here when they attack,

572
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: Go somewhere else, stay on the move, build your strength.

573
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: Oh shit, that's what Rick Green was doing, wasn't it.

574
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: Huh Goblin Forrest singing in English, a stupid name like

575
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: Rick Green. All that shit was designed to make Goblin

576
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: metal more palatable to the masses, to get fans, to

577
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: get recruits for his stupid, fucking fascy goals.

578
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: Yep, do that.

579
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: I mean, don't become fascists or change your name or

580
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: make your music worse. Everyone knows Goblin forst and have

581
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: shit on krimpatool. Just don't be obscure for the sake

582
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 3: of being obscure. Fucking advertise you have a decent thing

583
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: going here. People are abandoning mainstream society left and right.

584
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: No political pun intended. Make it easier for them to

585
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: get here. Make it so that when you fight the

586
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: fashion your epics, swords and spears, Viking deathmatch, you win

587
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: better yet, make it so they don't even want to

588
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: fuck with you because they know they lose.

589
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: I don't know whether that would work.

590
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but dying doesn't work either.

591
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: The Ark way of life isn't meant to be some revolution.

592
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: It's not meant to supplant the mainstream. It will never

593
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: appeal to the mainstream, not without losing its soul. Would

594
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: you live like this? Would you want to?

595
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: You're right, I'm obsessed with you weird subcultures, but I

596
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to live like you. We both stared at

597
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: each other in silence. It wasn't an uncomfortable silence. We're

598
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: both just thinking, okay, scrap that. You're never going to

599
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: get big numbers. You don't need big numbers. You don't

600
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: want big numbers. You don't need recruits, you need allies.

601
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: What would that look like?

602
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: God?

603
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: Damn all Orkish men not actually listen to women's ideas.

604
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: I'm used to guys just talking over me or shutting

605
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: down completely. If I get mad.

606
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: Free Orkish men, I would hope know how to listen.

607
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Guns break the spell and the spell you're casting here

608
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: it's powerful, it's good. So no guns. Other people have guns, though,

609
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Let those people stand guard or make their arm presence.

610
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: Note outside or scene camps, other people have access to,

611
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: say doxing, how many recruits are the or scene going

612
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: to get if every time some wanna be forest Nazi

613
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: dude joins, someone tells his mother what they're about, or

614
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: access to the media, How many recruits are going to

615
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: join if everyone knows the orsine or posers putting out substandard,

616
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: watered down goblin metal just to try and lure in

617
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: impressiable military aged men to fight their holy war.

618
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: You'll write those stories.

619
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: I'm not going to write you any propaganda, but sure

620
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: I'll tell the truth.

621
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: How do we get allies?

622
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: But at another single, maybe a full length? The Gray

623
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 3: Fog of a Ruined Forest was the best shit I've

624
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: hurt in years. You're redefining folk music just like you

625
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: redefine metal. Put out shit like that and I'll cover it.

626
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: Talk to more press, maybe someone other than you. Not

627
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: everyone's going to be sympathetic to what you did, even

628
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: if that fucking guy was a fucking tree Nazi. A

629
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: hunting horn cut through the fog and through our conversation,

630
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: and my subject's face fell into despair for a half

631
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: second before determination took over.

632
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: What's that interviews over? I thought there would be more

633
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: time another day. At least, we have to get you

634
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: out of here.

635
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: Turns out Fenrick had taken us on a purposefully circuituitous

636
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: route into the woods. It wasn't a quarter of a

637
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: mile straight down hill before Golfenbolt and I reached the

638
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: box truck at the back entrance to Gray Morrow. Miorinda

639
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: and Fenrick stood there talking with a kid, maybe fifteen,

640
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: who was out of breath. She was dressed in scraps

641
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: of fur and leather and cloth, like you might imagine

642
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: a medieval beggar. It wasn't until I noticed all the

643
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: twigs and sticks and moss tangled up in the fabrics

644
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: I recognized it as camouflage. I saw about thirty the scout,

645
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: for that's what she was said about. Fenerick asked exactly

646
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 3: thirty ten with pikes, ten with tower shields and swords,

647
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: five archers, two scouts to command, one noncombatant. I'd guess

648
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: a surgeon, but I couldn't promise how far away I asked.

649
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: Fenric glared at me for interrupting. Five miles Nearinda said

650
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: probably three and a half by now downhill. We have

651
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: time to get you out with the children and the elders.

652
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: The scout had just run five miles up hill because

653
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: she was too stubborn to use a walky talkie or

654
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: a cell phone. We should evacuate every one. Gulfenbol said

655
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: what Fenrick asked. We've got walls and almost even numbers.

656
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: Fuck them, this is our home. I wanted to shout

657
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: at her. I wanted to shake her, to tell her

658
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: this wasn't a fucking game, that it wasn't the twelfth century,

659
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: and that killing people or dying over some squatted chunk

660
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: of nowhere was somewhere between stupid and reprehensible. I didn't,

661
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: though I'm a good journalist, this isn't the place for

662
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: us to debate this, Nernda said, and all four of

663
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: them walked through the gate and left me standing by

664
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: the truck. That was why the gardens were untended, and

665
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: the trash was piled up and the hides were left

666
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: to rot. They were expecting this. They'd lost their will

667
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: to pretend like their lives were going to continue to

668
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: progress forward. I'm not the first to suggest that nihilism

669
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: is the dominant affect of society today, with climate change

670
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: destroying communities and bioregions all over the map, with the

671
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: economic crisis deepening, in the wealth gap widening. I think

672
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: all of us are guilty of forgetting to tend our gardens.

673
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: All of us have a hard time figuring out why

674
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: it matters whether or not we deal with our trash.

675
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: All of us have proverbial or literal Nazis marching on us.

676
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: The Nazis the free Orcs of Cascadia are dealing with

677
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: are the literal variety. Some costplaying fascist was about to

678
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: stick a sword between Nearinda's ribs. Bill rose in my throat.

679
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: I don't know I believe in love at first sight

680
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: or any of that shit, but I just couldn't handle

681
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: the idea. I fucking hate honor. I will never be

682
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: an orc. I got lost running through solutions to the

683
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: problem of hypothetical arrows and swords that were going to

684
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: interfere with Lorenda's continued existence. Most of those solutions involved

685
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: assault rifles, which I didn't have access to. Cars though

686
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: were available. What's thirty warriors of medieval armor versus one

687
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: station wagon driven by an angry woman with a lead

688
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: foot put the odds and my favor. I wasn't going

689
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: to do it, though. Instead I waited to evacuate. I

690
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: don't think that speaks well of me. Individually and in groups,

691
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: people came out through the gate and loaded bags and

692
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: baskets onto the back of the truck Neriinda returned with

693
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: a simple backpack sewn from rawhide. Most of her belongings

694
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: were probably wherever she and Golfenboul and the rest of

695
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: Alserth lived. She handed me my phone, I didn't have service.

696
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 3: I wondered whether or not she and golfenbul were dating.

697
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't relevant to the present moment exactly, but my

698
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: mind always as a way of thinking about bullshit to

699
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: avoid thinking about impending doom. Another important effect of our

700
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 3: generation distract ourselves with disaster with petty things like love

701
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: and jealousy. I don't know what you said to Golfenbolnerinda said,

702
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: but whatever it was worked. He just convinced everyone to evacuate. Everyone,

703
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: I asked, shocked, everyone except him and Fenrik and Gorn.

704
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Which one's Gorn, the man who brought us tea? Do

705
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: you remember him? He's old as shit, though, I said,

706
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: because I have no fucking manners or common sense ones, Yeah,

707
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: he's old as shit. He's a linguist by training. His

708
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: main hobby is writing morbid poetry and dark speech, and

709
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: when he can't figure out how to say something, he

710
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: just makes up new words. He developed about a third

711
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: of the language, did all that shit before orc culture

712
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: was even around. He's also a widower three times over.

713
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: He doesn't give a shit about dying. His last chat

714
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 3: book was called soon I will return to the earth. Oh,

715
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: Gorn is going to die today. Golf and Bull and Fenric,

716
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: they're going to hold the wall as long as they

717
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: can and then fall back to the woods. And you,

718
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: I asked, I'm driving us out of here to another village.

719
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: Then I'll take you home after that. I don't know, girl,

720
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. If I signed up for this, I

721
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: might leave the woods go back to being a vettech.

722
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: I just nodded. I was too biased to offer objective

723
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: life advice. Oh, and golf and Ball said, to give

724
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: you this. He said, it's in case he dies. He says,

725
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: you're right, you shouldn't have to write his obituary, so

726
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: he wrote his own. She handed me a piece of paper.

727
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: I piled into the back of the box truck with

728
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: forty other people, many of them in tears, many of

729
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: them in shock, and we drove away from Gray Morrow.

730
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: None of the three Free Orcs survived the battle. Gorn

731
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: died impaled on a spear while holding the gate. Fenric

732
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: was killed by an arrow that struck her in the

733
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: back of the neck as she and Golfenbol ran. Golfenbol,

734
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: Fenric's lover turned and stood his ground over her body.

735
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know any of that yet. I found out

736
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: when Mirinda found out two days later. Maybe all three

737
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: of them would have survived if I hadn't interfered, and

738
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: they'd all fought with equal numbers, Maybe more of them

739
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: would have died. Maybe I can forgive myself, Maybe there's

740
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: nothing to forgive. In the back of the truck, by

741
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: the light coming in through a crack in the steel wall,

742
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: I read Golfenbol's note.

743
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: All my life, I didn't give a shit about anything.

744
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: I liked weed and metal in whatever counterculture trend was

745
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: big in a given year, but my heart wasn't in it.

746
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: I just went through the motions until I became an

747
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: orc saying I'm an orc and meaning it isn't like

748
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: a trans man saying he's a man in meaning it.

749
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: Gender is a social construct that goes back as far

750
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: as I understand, to the beginning of humanity. There has

751
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: always been gender, and there have always been people who

752
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: transgress the roles assigned to them at birth. An orc

753
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: is a social construct that we just fucking made up.

754
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the orc is an archetype too,

755
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: but it's a fantasy archetype. We know what's make believe.

756
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: Make believe is what gave my life meaning. I promise

757
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: you that for me. The day we decided we were

758
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: orcs was the first day that the sun shone benevolence

759
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: upon the world. It was the first day that color

760
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: radiated from everything I saw. It was the first day

761
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: that the rain on my roof tapped out codes of meaning.

762
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: It was the first day of my life, my real life,

763
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: my first ulcerat I fell in love with the world.

764
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: Everyone finds meaning in different ways. I found meaning by

765
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: believing in some shit we made up and letting that

766
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: be real. I was born Jason Sanchez. I died Gulfumble.

767
00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: I'm not sorry. That was great.

768
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: That was so fun.

769
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: I mean, not my narration, the story. The story, not

770
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: my narration. Mm hmm.

771
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: The second way finished, we all just got that little

772
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: smirk on our face, like.

773
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 4: That was delightful. Yeah, Margaret, you're the best. Oh yeah,

774
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: I mean, if I were going to be in orc

775
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: there would be rifles but problems.

776
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is absolutely This is like a really good

777
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: example of what I mean that when I write utopian

778
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: fiction or like fiction about other societies. I'm not saying hey,

779
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: everyone go do this or like this is what people

780
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: should do.

781
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 4: No, I mean I liked that. I like it. I

782
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: like that I've had that experience in other cultures, you know,

783
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: places like slab city and different kind of encampments and

784
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: whatnot that I've spent a lot of time and as

785
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: a journalist where it's like I'm fascinated by and I

786
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: respect aspects of this, but like I I also think

787
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: some of these things are that you're doing or dumb

788
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: or I don't understand why you do it or this

789
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: isn't like you know, but you don't. Your notes don't matter.

790
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: You know, that's not your job, although actually having an

791
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: impact in that way is kind of Yeah, I don't know.

792
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: Somebody go, somebody go make an orc village. Yeah, yeah,

793
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: I'll go out there, I'll report on it.

794
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: We'll go.

795
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: It'll be fun.

796
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: Don't take the band name all sorts, though I already

797
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: stole that.

798
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a number of dope band names in here.

799
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: All right, people should make orc folk. I'd be really

800
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: excited to.

801
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 4: Hear make orc folk abandon civilization to live as fantasy creatures,

802
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 4: fight fascists, all that good stuff.

803
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Margaret, is there anything you'd like to plug?

804
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: Well? I do you have a new book out or

805
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: a reprint of an older book called A Country Ghosts

806
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: that is a more directly utopian book. It's out from Akpress,

807
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 3: came out last month, and I think that's it. That's

808
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: the main thing. Oh, you can support me on Patreon,

809
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: although it's no longer supporting me on Patreon. It's supporting

810
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: a publishing thing that I'm starting back up with people

811
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: called Strangers in the Tangled Wilderness, and it will publish

812
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: fiction and memoir and like the kind of like more

813
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: culture side of radical politics and less the like theory

814
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 3: and stuff.

815
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: What's the patreon.

816
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 3: Patreon dot com slash Strangers in Entangled Wilderness? Because why

817
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: would I pick short names for things?

818
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, And we have a live

819
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: show coming.

820
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 4: Up right, Robert, that doesn't sound like us.

821
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: It's a virtual live show of for Behind the Bastards

822
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: with our friend prop that's on Thursday, February seventeenth, allegedly

823
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: momenthouse dot com slash Behind the Bastards.

824
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: I can't confes more deny that.

825
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, we've got you a lawyer on here before

826
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: you can.

827
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: Sure.

828
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's get Moira on the horn and.

829
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: More come on the horn and tell us if we're

830
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: actually doing this thing show?

831
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

832
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 4: Are we also?

833
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: Are we alive?

834
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: That's another question? Oh?

835
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 4: I text her that most days. All right, Well, thank

836
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: you Margaret, and thank you all for tuning in in

837
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Speaker 4: the first year of the rest of the next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yo, it could happen here as a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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