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Speaker 1: It's way up at Angela Yee. I'm Angela Yee. And

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Speaker 1: Jasmine from the Jasmin brand dot Com is here, yes,

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Speaker 1: and Daniel Caesar is here. This is your first time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in this buildings, so the first time meeting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming and congratulations

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Speaker 3: Thank you never enough. So I had a question. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Why So?

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because a lot of

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Speaker 1: You know, New York is not the place that people

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Speaker 3: Why do you like New York.

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Speaker 2: It's it's pedestrian mm hmm. It's I like anywhere I

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Speaker 2: And then one day, a couple months into living at

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Speaker 3: That's nice to hear because I'm from New York.

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Speaker 4: She's a New Yorker.

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Speaker 1: And so many people like when they come here, they

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Speaker 4: What didn't you like about New York when you first.

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Speaker 2: It's just daunting, it's so chaotic, and if you don't

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Speaker 2: well this is weird, and it's like it's also boring

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Speaker 2: because there's so much weird stuff that you have that

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Speaker 2: But you just have to find your which I guess

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Speaker 3: Right, you find your tribe.

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Speaker 2: Find your tribe. But I found it, and I like

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Speaker 3: Okay, and you're from Canada. Are you from Toronto?

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Speaker 1: That's outside, just outside Toronto, And so I read that

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Speaker 1: you but your parents a farm, Yeah, got a huge farm.

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Speaker 3: So what's what's that like when you go there? And

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Speaker 1: Because I think going from New York to like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a big I'm a big duality guy,

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Speaker 2: just it's very peaceful. And that's my parents, Like that's

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's real far.

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Speaker 3: If you're like milking cows.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no. We got a bunch of dogs. We

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Speaker 4: Now your parents, your parents are Jamaican.

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Speaker 2: My father's Jamaican, okay, and your mom Barbados.

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Speaker 1: People love Toronto for that mix. To listen, the guys

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Speaker 1: So explain because I don't I don't know that much

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Speaker 4: Cost kind of like they running, they catching ho and

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just not encouraged. It depends how they have

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard that, but I did hear that seven

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I've I've been told that, but I

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's your what's your relationship now?

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's complicated. I would

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Speaker 1: Okay, but spirituality you understand. Yeah, I feel like, please

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, that's the yeah. And I can't it's

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Speaker 1: And then so this is your first time doing a

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Speaker 1: that's a big deal. That it is a big deal

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Speaker 1: because independently you were doing amazing, right, and then it

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Speaker 2: It was I think the pandemic. Everything felt like it

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Speaker 4: So what was the fear about the why would why

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Speaker 2: And also it's people. You build a team of people

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Speaker 2: But when you go to they're like, yo, we just

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Speaker 2: I've proven that I can do I can do this,

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Speaker 1: Where there are deadlines because I know you signed a

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. I always when I think about that, that

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Speaker 1: What? Like, yeah, you don't want to be put in

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Speaker 3: So was it Summer Walker?

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Speaker 1: You have been in conversations for you guys to do

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was just the Solomon is sitting around for

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Speaker 4: Did you work with Rafael sa Beak on this project?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, that was that was fun. That was probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just the coolest guy ever. And so we were working.

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Speaker 2: She's Yeah, she's amazing. She's sometimes I'm like, there's no

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Speaker 2: He did? Okay, he has the He wrote the there's

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Speaker 2: No, uh, I have, but I don't believe anymore. I'll

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Speaker 3: And then you feel crazy because you got to be quiet. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Were you famous at the time, were you well known

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Speaker 4: or is this pre Yeah you were known at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it can you love? That's so funny to me's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy And then it's like sometimes it's like a guy

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Speaker 2: It might be me one day if I'm not careful,

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Speaker 2: like I got to like get my caramel right now.

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Speaker 1: Toronto twenty fourteen is also a song on the album,

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Speaker 3: So what do you put?

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Speaker 1: Obviously, like you dream of being successful, this is where

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Speaker 2: It's it was simpler back then, Like now you have

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Speaker 2: I mean, dusty, crusty, musty, all the usties, all the usties,

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Speaker 2: and it was fine, Like that's always been like that's

442
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like that's always kind of

443
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: been my vibe because I'm like a dusty vibe. I

444
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,719
Speaker 2: make music. I'm really good at that. I'm not a model.

445
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not like I, you know what I mean.

446
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: So I can get up, get out of bed, and

447
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: do what I want as long as I ended in

448
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: the studio the other day. But now it's kind of like, yo,

449
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: I can't just I can't just get out and go

450
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: down to the bodega looking any kind of way because

451
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 2: people stop me and they're like, Yo, how's it going on?

452
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 3: You got to moisturized? You look a moisturized it.

453
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: I did but you know, on God, I walked out

454
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 2: of the apartment this where I looked down and my

455
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: knuckles were white, white, white, white white.

456
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 4: Do you lotion after you shower and stuff? Yeah?

457
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,479
Speaker 2: Do okay, but some naturally dry scales. So I just

458
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: like in the wrong weather, it's just yeah, you know.

459
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 1: It's the worst for me because I get very ashy

460
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't like people and I can see my ass.

461
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 4: I can see my ash Yeah, it was a little cool.

462
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: And especially during COVID, you have to like always constantly

463
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: wash your hands.

464
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 3: I was like, I am so ashy all the time.

465
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 4: But what was the question about?

466
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: So we were talking about the difference between Toronto and

467
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and then Daniel sees it here in New

468
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: York in twenty twenty three. Because while there's some great benefits,

469
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: it's also challenges that come with that.

470
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I would say, yeah, like being perceived

471
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: and like having to think about that all the time,

472
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: like there's something you have to train. It's just that

473
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: I want to enjoy myself all the time, and those

474
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: are things I don't enjoy.

475
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: You can't just say what you think because it's gonna

476
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: be taken very differently coming from you than it is

477
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: by a random person on social media, and you have definite.

478
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: I learned that. I learned that the hard way. And

479
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: also like I also learned, Yeah, everything you do you

480
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: have to take into account. You have to live your

481
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: life based on the thickest person, like the like the

482
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: person that's last of the joke. You have to think

483
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: about them at all times, you know what I mean.

484
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: It's like in society, like you have to tell you

485
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: have to put up signs saying like what's a good example,

486
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: Like you got to tell people not to just run

487
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 2: into the middle of the road while there's traffic going on,

488
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: Like that should be obvious, But you have to put

489
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: up these signs. You have to tell people. On a

490
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: coffee cup, you have to tell people wait until it's

491
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 2: cool before you drink it, because some people won't and

492
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: they'll burn and then they'll sue you.

493
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 4: You have to be more responsible.

494
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: That's way better way.

495
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're more responsible.

496
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: See that was irresponsible. What I just was you just happen, Okay,

497
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know what I mean, And so these

498
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: things like that, I don't it's just it's simply just

499
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy it. Because I also have a bad

500
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: habit of like complaining about these things sometimes when people

501
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: close to me can I'm winding about things that seem

502
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: so inconsequential because me four years ago, when I was

503
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: Dusty Musty, I would have given anything to have these issues,

504
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: and so I'm trying to be conscious of that and

505
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 2: not complain because this is I love my life and

506
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade it for anything.

507
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 3: Right.

508
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I saw you right on Twitter that you love me life,

509
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: but then you also said, why is it only ugly

510
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: people telling me you're ugly?

511
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: It's just crazy.

512
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: Even before you told me we were interview him.

513
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: I was like, that's so funny, so crazy, because it's true.

514
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 4: Man.

515
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm really like, you know, I used to I used

516
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: to feel so I used to feel like I was ugly,

517
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: and then I was just like, no, no, no, no, no,

518
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm actually I'm very I'm a handsome young man.

519
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: But but then I'll just be feeling myself and I'll

520
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: just be on my shit. And then every time I

521
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: see someone telling me that I'm ugly, I go with

522
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, let me do some reason, let me see

523
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: who this person is. I mean, I'm never I'm never like, damn,

524
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: you know.

525
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 4: What I mean.

526
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the fact is that the people who

527
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: are like happy in their lives. And I always say this,

528
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: it's never somebody that can dress well telling you you

529
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: can't dress or somebody that's like attractive telling because they

530
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: don't think about that like people that you know. I

531
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: just feel like, if you're happy and who you are,

532
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: and you want other people to feel that way too,

533
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: So you don't go like bashing people unless you don't

534
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: feel good about yourself exactly.

535
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: And also it's one thing to think something, but it's

536
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 4: another thing to actually write it and tweet it and

537
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 4: post it. Like I just like it's a little weird.

538
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: It's it can be a little weird, it's and yeah, people,

539
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate people. A lot of people just don't have

540
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: better things to do. And that's I mean, that's I

541
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: don't know whose fault that is, but that just is

542
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: what it is. And I have to remember for myself, go.

543
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: To your farm and take a moment.

544
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got things I can do, Definitely, I got

545
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: things to do exacinitely. I don't have I honestly don't

546
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: have time to be reading comments about me and that's

547
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: a waste of my time when I do that.

548
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: Okay, did you really ever think at a time that

549
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: you were going to be like canceled forever?

550
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: Was that a fear of yours or did you feel

551
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: like I'll be okay?

552
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: No, I felt I felt like I never like canceled.

553
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: Just what it's kind of like. I never felt like

554
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: I would go broke or something like that. Like I

555
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: just felt like people wouldn't like me forever. And I

556
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: still I feel like that all the time, Like the

557
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: majority of people would not like me. Do I think

558
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: that people are gonna I know they're gonna listen to

559
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: my music because it's good, but are they gonna like

560
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: I also have to deal with them hating me and

561
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: wanting the worst from me and expressing that to me

562
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 2: because I don't I'm too I'm very sensitive, but like

563
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: that is what it is, and that's kind of I

564
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: created that scenario myself.

565
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: That's all right.

566
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: But I also feel like taking accountability and responsibility is

567
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: an important thing for sure. Yeah, and even for you,

568
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm glad you put out an album because I've

569
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: always been a Daniel Cesar fan and I've always said

570
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: that and so I just feel like sometimes we can

571
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: like go into a like I don't even want to

572
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: put myself out there because I don't want to. It's

573
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: worse than what we think it is at times. I

574
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: think it is a lot of people that like with tweet,

575
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: but I see a lot of positive responses with the music.

576
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: So how do you feel now that the album is out?

577
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: I feel the same. I Yeah, I think the people

578
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: the naysayers, I don't think they were ever fans to

579
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: begin with. I was just someone that they knew of, right,

580
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that most there's always like everyone,

581
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: it's the sounding majority, you know what I mean. I

582
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: think most people want here and are pleased with it.

583
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: And I know in my heart that excuse me that

584
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: I did my very best and I believe in my

585
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: heart this is my best work. And so the people

586
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: that that roll with me, like I wrote for them

587
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: and I stayed down and I put my everything into

588
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: this project and this is for them.

589
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: And you've accomplished a lot even prior to this, You've

590
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: always been a fan of John Mayor. Yeah, right, and

591
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: then you had the opportunity to really hang out with him.

592
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: How did that happen?

593
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: How did that happen. I think he reached out. He

594
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: reached out to me. He reached out to me or

595
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: to like my management or something like that. But my

596
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: guys were just like, yo, John Mayor, he has this

597
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: song that he wants you to hop on. You were like,

598
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: what a remix? I was, Oh my god, he is

599
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: the reason I can play guitar, Like my dad. My

600
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: dad's actually here today. He'll tell you, like he is, yeah,

601
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: so crazy. I know he's never we've never done this before,

602
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: but he's he's here today, m hm. And you'll tell

603
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: you Yeah. I used to just I used to terrorize

604
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: them in the house just they got me a guitar

605
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: for my tenth birthday and I would just play the

606
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: same song over and over, over and over. Yeah, and

607
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: it was always John Mayra.

608
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: And then he just knew who you were and just

609
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: was reaching out to you. What's been that like the

610
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: craziest person that you're like, I can't believe this person

611
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: like early on in your career that let you know

612
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: this is really happening.

613
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Hmm, early like who.

614
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: Was on it? Super early that.

615
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Because sometimes that like that validation is like continues got

616
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: it going?

617
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, path the manager path like a Chance Toll manager.

618
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: That was one that I was like, Oh, I can

619
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: really do this, like he knows you know's who I am.

620
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: That's early I'm trying to think everywhere and like it

621
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: was like people but honestly my yeah, like like my

622
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: managers at the time, Jordan Evans and Matthew Burnett, like

623
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: they were like local, local, hometown heroes, like they had

624
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: produced a bunch of like not a bunch of but

625
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: like some Drake songs and then not Afraid for Eminem

626
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: they did that with boy Wanda, and they came to

627
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: me and they're like, Yo, we think that you can.

628
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: We think that you can do this. You want to

629
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: produce your album, And that for me was like really

630
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: all that I needed to be like, oh, I'm I

631
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: can do this.

632
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: And were you always having some type of business acumen?

633
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: Like did you have your business together? We always hear

634
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: stories of people they were like and I was just like, yeah,

635
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: let's go, and I signed it and.

636
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I wouldn't I want to describe myself as

637
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 2: a businessman. I would describe myself as I'm not I'm

638
00:29:51,520 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: not a dummy. And we were I understand people to

639
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: a certain point. It's like we were just all in

640
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: it together, and so we we we The original idea

641
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: was that we were going to They're gonna make an

642
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: album for me, and then I was just gonna go

643
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: off signed to a label. I was gonna pay them

644
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: back their cut and I would be a label artist.

645
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: And then after the success of the first two projects,

646
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: we were all just working along so well, and I

647
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: was just like, Yo, let's just make a company together.

648
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: Let's just do this together. And they're the brains, you

649
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean, right, but we're all we all

650
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: just own it, okay, thirty.

651
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about your fans. I

652
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: know that you said during the pandemic you felt like

653
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: some distance or you didn't really they didn't really understand you,

654
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: or something along those lines. Do you feel like your

655
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: relationship with your fans is better or is it the same?

656
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? But also I think it's really about my relationship

657
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: with myself because the fans are whatever it is, it's

658
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: it's real, but it's also not real, you know what

659
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: I mean. They don't know me. And every time someone

660
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: tells you that they love you but they've never met you,

661
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: what is that really?

662
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: That's just they love what they know about you. Yeah,

663
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: they love your work. They love your art.

664
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: Exactly, And so it's it's my listenhip with myself. When

665
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm cool with myself, then I'm fun to be around,

666
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: and then I'm fun to it's fun to interact with

667
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: my fans.

668
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: And you said you also have three albums of music

669
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: waiting to come out.

670
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so three full albums.

671
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: No, I just mean three albums worth. So I don't

672
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: have like concepts and our covers and all that stuff.

673
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: I just have I've made three iterations of this album, okay,

674
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: And so I have a bunch of I have a

675
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: lot of songs.

676
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with them?

677
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: My plan? I would like to have a period of

678
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: high output. You know, remember when the Migos was dropping

679
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: and felt like every three months.

680
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: And little way to remember little.

681
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: I feel like he said the standard crazy.

682
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not nearly frequents. No, I'm not trying to

683
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: flood the market, but definitely I have some other I have.

684
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: And also I'm so versatile, like I have so many

685
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: different types of music. I enjoy making and I believe

686
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: in like a project being a complete thought. So it's

687
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: like I'd love to like have my punk album and

688
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: my gospel album, you know, like all these different things,

689
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: and I mean, we'll see what happens. This could we

690
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: might see me in four years. And I haven'tdropped anything.

691
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: Would you ever consider rapping?

692
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

693
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: I have, but I'm always discouraged from it. I don't

694
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: think I'm very good at it, but I have and

695
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: I in my heart, in.

696
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: My heart, are you in the shower?

697
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: No one believes in me, but I believe.

698
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's hard for you decide what to put on

699
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: this album because you probably being that you have so

700
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: much music. I'm sure some of the songs are amazing,

701
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: but then it's also like what fits together.

702
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very difficult. And also this is the longest.

703
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: I don't I generally, I've always told people I don't

704
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: believe in fifteen song albums. Anything more than twelve songs

705
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: feels generally. But this, this is this album. That's what

706
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: it told me. It wanted to be, you know, right,

707
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: and then structuring like secret singing, trying to tell a

708
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: story sonically and lyrically. It was tricky, but we got it.

709
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I love Howister, I love Ota Rios in the beginning

710
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: as the first song.

711
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: It's a good one.

712
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah.

713
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: Me ready to go on vacation, know right, Well, listen,

714
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: I do want to thank you for coming by, Daniel Caesar,

715
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: because I've always wanted to have you on the show,

716
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: even when I was on The Breakfast Club.

717
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: And now I have my own show and your boy chocolate, yeah, which.

718
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: You know I have promised myself I'm gonna cut back

719
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: on the candy, but now I'll start next week next

720
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: I did all the time next week.

721
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: Are there anything here, any shrooms or anything?

722
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: Okay, next if you're into it next time, she is.

723
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: Have you ever had any crazy experiences shrooming?

724
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

725
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: I had some amazing cries.

726
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: It's a good cry. It's a laughing so hard. I've

727
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: had it where I was laughing so hard I couldn't

728
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: stop crying.

729
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: See, So I had that's close. I had one where

730
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: I was I was in a bad place. I was

731
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: in a bad place, and I remember I was with

732
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: the group of my friends and I'm like, I'm not

733
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: crying for my friends crazy and so I We're in

734
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: a hot tub and I go over to the to

735
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: the the pool next to it, and I'm just in

736
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: there for myself and I want to cry, and I

737
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: start like laughing maniacally like the joke or something, but

738
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: it's just like and I couldn't start. It was like

739
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: really loud, obnoxious. But I realized that laugh it like

740
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: a good laugh and a good cry. They could like there's.

741
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 4: A there's a fine line between them, right.

742
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, they might be two sides of the same coin

743
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: or something. You know, it's a release.

744
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good. It's a release, all right, So

745
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: look you're in New York. I mean yeah, because it

746
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: was an amazing it's amazing. Jasmin's never tried it, so

747
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: I see.

748
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: But I didn't go hard enough because I'm a scary kid.

749
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: I don't. I feel like I might cry, and I don't.

750
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: I'm crying.

751
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: It's better than crying when you're not on trooms, That's true,

752
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And they're gonna try eventually.

753
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna cry anyways.

754
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: Are you able to like write things or really think

755
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: while you're on trooms, because sometimes you have ideas and

756
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't even write this down, like I

757
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: physically couldn't.

758
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: I do it? Well, it depends I like a microdose,

759
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: like I haven't done a big trip in a while

760
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: because I also you know what it is. It's it's

761
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: those existential.

762
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: It is scary.

763
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: You just got to be you have to like plant

764
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: it out and take a day. But I did a

765
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: mushroom trip. I wrote Superpowers on this album, and I

766
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: know there's one or two others unstoppable.

767
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: I see that.

768
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah it was really cool.

769
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: What about sex rooms?

770
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Sex shrooms is great, it's really good if but you

771
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: have to really you can't have sex shoms with someone

772
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: that you're like about it, yeah you know what I mean,

773
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: or like you know exit you hate. It's got to

774
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: be like I want to spend time with you because

775
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: you look at them in their face like they could

776
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: look scary. If you don't fly with their spirit, like

777
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: they might look like a monster to.

778
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: You, then you right shot my baby. And then that's that.

779
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, get dark dark real quick. I love it.

780
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: He's the real one. Watch out all right. Well Daniel

781
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: sees it again. Thank you so much.

782
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it. And I know you're on

783
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: tour also right now, so make sure people know where

784
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: to get their tickets it and.

785
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: It's sold out, but we're gonna be doing it. It's

786
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: a good problem. It's like a small we're doing urban plaza.

787
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: I want to do like a small intimate sort of

788
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: you know. But just stand by because in the fall

789
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: we have I can't announce more than that. But after

790
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: the summer we're gonna do something. We're gonna do a

791
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: big tour.

792
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: Whole world, all right, but we're looking forward to that.

793
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming through for the first

794
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: time ever.

795
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: Definitely not urban.

796
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: Yes we should. It's sold out, but we work it out.

797
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: No, no, I got, okay, you got you got.

798
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: I know the guy.

799
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: Thank you. Way up at Angela, way up