1 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to jaggs. Am. 2 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Sexton, and today I am the lead singer 3 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: of the band and the driver of the Winnebego. Ky 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: Stevens is out, so I'm filling in in her role, 5 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: but he're not. We've got a great show for you 6 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: and we'll start as we always do, with big things. 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: In January when new head coach Liam Cohen signed on, 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: he's spoke in broad platitudes about his mission about what 9 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: he was working towards. But since then last week, specifically 10 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: when he met with the players, he now has dialed 11 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: it in and he shared it with the media last 12 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: week and year three big topics with you on which 13 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: Liam Cohen was much more specific, and the first is culture. 14 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: It's a big word. We've talked about it a lot, 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: and the coach was very specific. 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: Team meeting about rules and regulations, introductions. We had a 17 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: team meeting as well about our style of play first 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: and foremost, really before we dive into the culture, we're 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: going to dive into the way that we're going to 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: play out on the grass. We also had a culture 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: meeting with the entire building which was really cool, where 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: it was all departments everybody was involved, and it was 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: just a cool way of getting together, establishing the communication 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: lines and how we want to do things and operate. 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: So it is very important at this moment in time 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: for us. 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and John, you and I were in that meeting, 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: and he talked about rules in the way that the 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: team would approach it. He said he had to protect 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: the team be on time. But in those two rules, 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: he set up the expectation level for his team about 32 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: their professionalism in the way they would go about their business. 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious, Brian, if you're the leader of the band, 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: am I the roadie who doesn't wash enough before you 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: gets some of the us I knew something. 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: That would be one person that would get it. 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, there'd be something like that for me. Look for 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: you and I, Brian, and the fans. This is really 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: not our time of year, right, but is the coach's 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 4: time of year and the player's time of year, especially 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: when there's a regime change. And I say all that 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 4: to get to the fact that fans when they hear 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: words like culture and when they hear buzzwords and all 44 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 4: these things that start with alphabet letters and then they 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 4: spell out so players can remember them. Fans roll their eyes, 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: as I've heard this before, but for these guys, for 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: trying to establish their tone, trying to establish what's going on, 48 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: these weeks are really important and I liked everything I 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 4: heard last week from William Cohen. I would be sort 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: of disingenuous if I tried to tell fans what's different 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 4: about it. To me, what's different this time of year 52 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: has to come through in not necessarily what said, but 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: what the players feel from these coaches, especially Liam Cohene 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: and the leadership group. I think they're learning that they're 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 4: going to like. 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: What they hear from those guys. To me, that's the 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: big picture, and we will hear from a couple of 58 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: the players. Trevor Lawrence and Foyer Lucan spoke with media 59 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: last week. We'll have that coming up later in the show. 60 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: Another big word was workload. Let's be honest, John, We 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: talk about the offseason programing OTAs while they're happening, but 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: when we get to the preseason or training camp, we 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: forget all about it because the workload isn't that heavy. 64 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: It's about getting some things done. Liam go and focused 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: a little bit on what he would ask of his 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: players over these next couple of weeks. 67 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: We're going to throw as much at these guys mentally 68 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: in this offseason, as much as we can handle, and 69 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: probably more, much more actually, because it's not a physical 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: time of the year, it's a time of the year 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: we can stress the mentally. Ultimately, throw that as much 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: Adam as we can from Minnesota, from Tampa, from LA 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: from Green Bay, whatever it is, and see what we 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: can handle. We're not going to know who we're truly 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: going to be for a while, but it's more so 76 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: testing to see how much they can handle and if 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: maybe some of those concept schemes fundamentals fit our players. 78 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: That's a great question, because that's something that we're constantly 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: working through right now. 80 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Is the staff Shohn. 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: With a new coach, new coaching staff, there's obviously a 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: lot of learning that will go on, but it's not 83 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: just the players, it's the coaches learning about these players 84 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: based on what coach Cohen just said, how much they 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: can handle them, what they can throw at them. 86 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I tn Brian, as you know, to make fun 87 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 4: of OTAs a little bit or in the off season 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: program because it's not padded work. Bear in mind, I'm 89 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: very well aware that I'm not the one out there 90 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: doing the work. 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: It's hard. 92 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: They use this time to get in shape. But I 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: do think anybody who's watched Brian knows that you and 94 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 4: I OTAs we get it. 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: But they're not that. 96 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 4: Big of a deal to us because it's not padded work. 97 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: But for players, I don't want to dismiss the importance 98 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: of these, especially in a new regime, and it's for 99 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: these act reasons. You say, these guys have to figure 100 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 4: out what these players can do, what their workload is, 101 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 4: they have to get ready for it. I'm always one 102 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: once a coach has been here three or four years, 103 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 4: there are certain players I don't necessarily think have to 104 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: have OTAs right now with a new regime, they're critically. 105 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: Important and our final big thing, John. I was at 106 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: the Bisselli Foundation events this weekend, lots of Draguars supporters 107 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: and fans. They wanted to talk about free agency, in particular, 108 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: they want to talk about the draft, which. 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: Is coming up in nine days. 110 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: But I always brought it back to this and it's 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: our third big thing, and it is Trevor the quarterback 112 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: is central to Liam Cohen and his staff getting this 113 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: job done. Putting this team on the right track to 114 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: win long term. And Liam lash we talked a little 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: bit about his efforts so far with the Jaguars franchise quarterback. 116 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: We are trying to create black and white lines when 117 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: it comes to footwork in ways so that understanding that 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: the game is played in the gray. There's so much 119 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: that occurs on a play. If you can have core 120 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: fundamentals in footwork that you believe in and that you 121 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 3: trust in those times of crisis, you have something to 122 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: actually fall back on and play with a quieted mind. 123 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: And so this is a great opportunity now that he 124 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: is a little limited from a throwing standpoint, that we 125 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: can dive into the footwork. He can dive into it 126 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: on his own time and really work at this thing. 127 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: So he's committed to it. It's something that we feel 128 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: strongly about that can help him continue to get better 129 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: and ultimately on Sundays, we hope that shows up. 130 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: John. 131 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: I know the storyline coming out of that media news 132 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: conference last week was the footwork, and obviously people want 133 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: to focus on the fundamentals. To me, it was the 134 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: quieted mind. It's finding a way to help Trevor relax 135 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: and be his best. 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And as you said at the top, all the 137 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: moves they've made, even the draft, it's all going to 138 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: circle back to how much they can get this running 139 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: game going and how much more they can get out 140 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: of Trevor. 141 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: If he ascends, if he gets. 142 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 4: Back to where he was playing in late in twenty two, 143 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: then there can be dramatic improvement for this team. There was, 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: as you might expect in the ozone, a lot of 145 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: oh my goodness, what's wrong with this footwork? 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: Why hadn't this been fixed? 147 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: To me, that is more about getting his footwork timed 148 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: with this offense. So I don't think it's that unusual. 149 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: And the reason that you want to do that from 150 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: what Liam Cohen and Trevor both said, You're trying to 151 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: get the footwork right so you can get that quieted mind, 152 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: so you can know what you're doing with your feet 153 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: and let your feet and the footwork and the time 154 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: of these things guides you in your decision making. 155 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: As I think Liam said, once. 156 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: It's crazy out there, there's a lot of stuff being 157 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 4: thrown at quarterbacks on every play. The more they can 158 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 4: have muscle memory, meaning footwork guiding them to their decisions 159 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 4: and their reeds. Then the easier it is when chaos starts. 160 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: So I think you're right. I think that's really the 161 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: takeaway from it. Although people obviously focused on. 162 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: The footwork element. 163 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: And I loved the fact that we talked about black 164 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: and white and rules and strategies and how everything works, 165 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: but that the game isn't black and white, it's played 166 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: in the gray. That was a takeaway and I thought 167 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: it was very insightful as to how this coach is 168 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: working with his staff to get things righted here in Jacksonville. 169 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: That does it for big things. 170 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll hear from Trevor Lloyance and 171 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: Foyer Lucon at the end of the first week of 172 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: the off season program. Will hear from them next on 173 00:08:53,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: jags Am. Welcome back to jags Am. Brian and John 174 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: with you here on a Tuesday. We appreciate you joining 175 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: us nine days out from the NFL Draft, and we'll 176 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: have plenty of conversation about that coming up. But John, 177 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: let's go back to what we were talking about. Last 178 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: week was the first week for the players and the coaches, 179 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: not just to be in the building and you know 180 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: it's not padded stuff, but to get to know each 181 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: other because everything had been so limited since the coach 182 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: was hired and brought his staff on board. 183 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, part of my stick. You know, I got some shit. 184 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: I do know, man is OTAs. What do they matter? 185 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: Coaches overplay them. And that's more joking than it is anything, because. 186 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: I just like to joke that I don't like being 187 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: out there in the sun. 188 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: There is a after a while once players have been 189 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: in a scheme. I do think there is a little 190 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: bit of a diminishing returns for some players when they're 191 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 4: here in their third year under a guy. But for 192 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: trying to establish a culture, when else are you going 193 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: to do it? Because there's not time anymore. Training camp 194 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: is so short without that much padded work, and you know, 195 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: you can say what you want about, well, it's not pads. 196 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 4: I happen to walk by with them doing some on 197 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: the field work at one point and heard what they're doing. 198 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. 199 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 4: So yeah, they are working and this is critical time 200 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: and it is you know what we're seeing here too. 201 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: It's a new strength and conditioning staff and the strength 202 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 4: and conditioning staff. If you think about these guys' work day, 203 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 4: their schedule, they're with these guys more than they are 204 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 4: their position coaches. So the strength and conditioning staff gets 205 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 4: a pretty quick idea of who's dedicated, who's there all 206 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 4: the time. So I'm sure, I'm sure Liam Cohen is 207 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: having conversations with the strength guys. 208 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, what are these guys about? What makes them tick? 209 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: But it's interesting. 210 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: One more thing on the culture, and I'm big on 211 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: it because I didn't sense any of it last year, 212 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: and I know there are people that argue with me 213 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: that there was some, but obviously at four and thirteen 214 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: there wasn't much. It's not just the culture to the players. 215 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: But you know, Liam has got a new staff together 216 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: and they're having to figure it out from their own 217 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: perspects of how they're going to do it. They can 218 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: talk about it theoretically in the time that the players 219 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: aren't here, but when the players return, well, now you're 220 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: implementing that culture. You're implementing all of the things the 221 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: way that the coach wants to accomplish the mission on 222 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: a daily basis with these players. So it's important time 223 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: for both the coaches and the players. 224 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: Well, sometimes other situations in life apply to football. 225 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: How do you build culture? 226 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: If you're the defensive staff, how do you build culture 227 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: with Traylon Walker and Josh heinz Allen if they're not there, 228 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: meaning it's in meetings, as you pass guys in the hallway, 229 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: it's having a joke with them as you go by 230 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: them after they've lifted all of those things. There's no 231 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 4: way to build that kind of stuff without human interaction, 232 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 4: and furthermore, without the coaches showing these players what they're 233 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: all about. You've been around this long enough to know. 234 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: I don't know that it's fir first impressions me and everything, 235 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 4: but players belief in the coaches. That was one of 236 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 4: Liam's points last week is belief in this thing. It's 237 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: a very nebulous, hard thing to grasp. But unless players 238 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 4: believe coaches can't do anything, the belief starts to get built. Now, 239 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: where the players look at these guys is on the 240 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: podium and when they're in rooms with them and say, 241 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: can I be around this guy? Can I believe in 242 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: what this guy is selling? That's part of what makes 243 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: this time so critical. 244 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: Right, let's hear from a couple of the players on 245 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: what they think so far. We'll start with the quarterback 246 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, who talked a bit about the footwork issue 247 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: that we just heard from the coach. 248 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 5: More than any system I've ever learned, it's structured and 249 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 5: based on that, and it's so everything's tied exactly to 250 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 5: all right, this route is on this timing, so then 251 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 5: your next progression is off of this footwork, off this timing, 252 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 5: so it all ties in perfect. You don't have multiple 253 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: routes declaring at the same time, which is art as 254 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 5: a quarterback because then you're sitting back there and you 255 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 5: got to make a decision before really the guys open 256 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 5: or covered, you know. So I think they've done a 257 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 5: really good job with the system of really thinking through 258 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: how does it tie into quarterbacks feet And that's what 259 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 5: we've been talking about. And it takes some work and 260 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 5: you know, flipping my stands, just some little things like 261 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 5: that that are small that many people wouldn't notice, but 262 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 5: it is. I have so many banked reps of the 263 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 5: other way. I got to just get all these on 264 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 5: my own and work them. So once camp comes around, 265 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 5: I'm ready to go. 266 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: John Trevor, for not having much time at this point 267 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: in the system, had obviously paid attention to what they 268 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: did in Tampa with Baker Mayfield and understood the basic 269 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: concepts of what footwork and timing would do for them 270 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: in this offense. Yeah, I've covered a lot of availabilities. 271 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: As you know, it's mainly what we do during the week. 272 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: I've covered Trevor for a while, so after a while 273 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 4: you start figuring out, Okay, most of availabilities. They're just 274 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 4: saying things that could apply to any situation because they're 275 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 4: trying to get through the pressor But in this case, 276 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 4: I thought he said some interesting things about this offense. 277 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: He did emphasize at one point it's not easy to learn, 278 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: and that speaks to what he's going to be going 279 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: through and what his teammates are going to be going through. 280 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 4: And that's fine. It's his third offense in five NFL seasons. 281 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 4: But he also said at one point that he really 282 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: likes what they're doing. He believes in the concepts. So 283 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: if you think about it, when were you best in school? 284 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: I was never good in school, But when your best 285 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 4: is when you know what you're studying for, you can 286 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: come out on the other end and you know it's 287 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: going to benefit you. It certainly sounds like he believes 288 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: in this. He believes in the concepts, and I think. 289 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: We go back to the footwork stuff. 290 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: The footwork stuff, once you learn it, it's designed to 291 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: make it easy. It's designed to be able to perform 292 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: in the gray area because they're making black and white rules. 293 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: So you can certainly see Trevor who has to be 294 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: going through some on the inside this offseason. At some point, 295 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 4: I've got to get it going. I've got to be 296 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: what I believe I can be. I would think looking 297 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: at this and seeing the success that Mayfield has, he's saying, 298 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: I can latch onto this. 299 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: This can be my rope out to where I want 300 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: to be. Let's stay with the Mayfield theme for just 301 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: a moment. Coming off of his best year, the one 302 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: year under Liam Cohen in Tampa, forty one touchdowns, the 303 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: running game was strong, and Trevor was asked about his 304 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: relationship his knowledge of Mayfield. 305 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: I haven't yet, you know, I know Baker. I wouldn't say, well, 306 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 5: but we're buddies and every time I see him, you know, 307 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 5: we try to catch up talk. I really got a 308 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 5: lot of respect for him. I haven't got a chance 309 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 5: to yet, but I need to. I've heard through other 310 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 5: people that I've talked to, Baker had different things throughout 311 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 5: the offseason that he's just says great things about him 312 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 5: and how much he helped him, and said I'm gonna 313 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: love playing for him. So I've kind of heard that 314 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 5: through I guess mutual friends and stuff. 315 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: All right, let's turn it to the defensive side, and 316 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: here from Foyer Aluit cunning who talked a little bit 317 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: about last season and why things went south and what 318 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: it means now with a new coaching staff in Jackson, and. 319 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 6: We didn't win last year, so I think whatever changes 320 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 6: that are coming are accepted because obviously we didn't play 321 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 6: up to the stand that we needed. So whatever was 322 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 6: going on, you know, if it's if it's we can't 323 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 6: really promise more wins, but obviously we needed maybe a 324 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 6: new way to attack the season, a new way to 325 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 6: attack the off seasons and stuff. So I think everybody's 326 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 6: very accepting of everything new that's in store for us. 327 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 6: You know that that equates to more wins. 328 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: The linebacker wants to win more and he is open 329 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: to whatever it takes to get there. 330 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I thought that was clearly the most interesting 331 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: thing he had to say. Look, The reality is they 332 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: put these guys in the podium because they have to 333 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 4: last week, and they're at the time they're two or 334 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: three days into getting to know these guys. So for Foyer, 335 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: if for anybody really to stand up there and. 336 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: Say, hey, I love these guys, I'm all in. They're 337 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: still learning them. 338 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 4: So I thought Foyer's comments were very insightful and very professional. 339 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Hey, we were four and thirteen last year. We didn't 340 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: win enough. There's gonna be chain, So these are the 341 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: guys that come in. 342 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: We're gonna give this a chance. We like what we're hearing. 343 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 4: He's a very intelligent guy who tries to say what's 344 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 4: really on his mind during these things, and I think 345 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: he was very honest, of very anxious to see what 346 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 4: Anthony Campanili and the staff is saying, likes it and 347 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 4: is ready. 348 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: To embrace it. 349 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: I think he'll be a lot better on it in 350 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: training camp when everybody understands what everybody's all about. They're 351 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 4: still on their first week of school and still trying 352 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 4: to get to know their teachers. I liked what I 353 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 4: heard last week, and I think it's gonna be fascinating 354 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 4: to watch all. 355 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: Right, when we come back on drags AM more perspective, 356 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: this time on the Jaguars from the Los Angeles Rams view, 357 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: or at least someone. 358 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: Who covers them. 359 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: Kyle Stevens sat down with Jordan rod Riek, who covers 360 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: the Rams for The Athletic, and we'll bring you that 361 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: conversation after this am. Move the freight. Move the freight. 362 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: Magellan voted the coolest workspace in Jacksonville, invites you to 363 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: check them out and see if you can help them 364 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: move the freight at magellan dot com. All right, Brian 365 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: to John with you back here on Jags a M 366 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: and Kay Stevens, who is out last week, found time 367 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: to connect with someone who covers the Rams on a 368 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: daily basis for The Athletic. Jordan Rodrigo has an excellent 369 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: podcast called The play Callers. You should check that out. 370 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: Check out Kay's conversation first. 371 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 7: All right, I'm here now with the Athletics senior writer 372 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 7: covering the LA Rams, Jordan rodrig Thank you so much 373 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 7: for joining us. I know you're very well versed with 374 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 7: James Gladstone and kind of how the Rams do things, 375 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 7: so I really wanted to pick your brain on this. 376 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 8: A little bit. Thank you so much for having me. 377 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 8: How is La Rams East good? 378 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 7: It's going really well. We love the vibe in the building. 379 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 7: It's very I mean obviously beach towns and whatnot, but yes, 380 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 7: we're loving this. 381 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: It's very lighthearted. 382 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 7: The change was immediate. Obviously you've been around James a lot, 383 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 7: so you know the deal, but just the whole regime 384 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 7: change has been really great here, so it's kind of exciting. 385 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 7: And now that we're getting into the draft time, which 386 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 7: is obviously the front office's favorite time of year, we're 387 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 7: kind of learning a little bit more about him. But 388 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 7: what we heard from the interview process was when James 389 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 7: Gladstone came in, just his interview as a whole, his 390 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 7: vision was really what sold them because we had been 391 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 7: hearing some other names maybe as favorites going in, but 392 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 7: James really came in out of not out of nowhere, 393 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 7: but just kind of really won them over with what 394 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 7: he had to say. So with your time working with him, 395 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 7: were you surprised by that at all or were you 396 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 7: kind of Yeah, of course, anyone that would talk to 397 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 7: him would probably see it that way. 398 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 9: You know, when I saw his name included on the list, 399 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 9: first of all, I was like. 400 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 8: Oh, how did Less Snead let that happen? 401 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 9: Because he has been so behind the scenes for so 402 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 9: many years in LA. But to know James and to 403 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 9: have worked with them as closely as I did last 404 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 9: year where I was interred with their draft and scouting department, 405 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 9: is to not. 406 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 8: Be surprised by this at all. 407 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 9: The way that he not only has a vision and 408 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 9: a very meticulous and granular plan for every operation and 409 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 9: every part of the talent identification, scouting and draft process, 410 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 9: the talent acquisition process, part of the pro personnel department 411 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 9: as well, and the way more so, the way he 412 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 9: can explain it. It was just to me, I called 413 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 9: Less and I was like, all right, good luck keeping 414 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 9: this guy now, you know, And it just it was 415 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 9: no surprise, I think to anyone who's ever worked with him, 416 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 9: that he quickly dominated this interview and became the guy 417 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 9: because he just can explain a vision and then goes 418 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 9: and creates that vision, as he did in Los Angeles 419 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 9: when they overhauled their draft department two and twenty twenty three. 420 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 7: Absolutely, we've seen that already, even just with free agency, 421 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 7: you know, making cap space, letting go of some veterans, 422 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 7: some faces that we were familiar with around here, but 423 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 7: going to the draft, it's exciting for us to kind 424 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 7: of see where this might end up. Obviously, outside looking in, 425 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 7: we've seen what the RAMS have done the last couple 426 00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 7: of years. 427 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 8: Was James's role in all of that? 428 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 7: Because the way you guys have been drafting last couple 429 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 7: of years, the RAMS have been really successful. 430 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, James was sort of moved into this role 431 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 9: to help basically overhaul the entire operation of not just 432 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 9: the scouting processes and keeping what worked, but also modernizing 433 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 9: and making things a little bit more progressive in other ways, 434 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 9: changing some of the strategy with which they approached the draft, 435 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 9: blending certain analytics programming that they were creating, some of 436 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 9: which they created from scratch. 437 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 8: So Jake Temmy joining the organization, I. 438 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 9: Think is also quietly a huge and significant move for 439 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 9: the Jaguars some of the ways that they attacked the 440 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 9: draft and strategized treating it as if it's a game 441 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 9: that they're play calling in less so sort of a 442 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 9: luck of the draw type of thing. And I think 443 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 9: that this is going to be really interesting because you're 444 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 9: going to start to see at least some of those 445 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 9: probably not all until next off season, but at least 446 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 9: some of those practices and processes take place immediately with 447 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 9: strategy that they use. I know he's going to be 448 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 9: using a call sheet like Lesneed does, like as a 449 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 9: play callerwood that you see on the sidelines, like Liam 450 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 9: cohenwell when he calls games. You know he's going to 451 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 9: use a lot of these different methods that the RAMS 452 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 9: also had in place. But knowing James, he's also going 453 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 9: to put his own twist and spin on things. And 454 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 9: also knowing James, he's a listener, so he's not going 455 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 9: to just come in and want to do things only 456 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 9: his way, only the RAMS way. He's going to listen 457 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 9: to what actually works and what has been working and 458 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 9: clicking with the scouting department and Talent ID process that's 459 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 9: already in place, and also making sure that those people 460 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 9: feel comfortable with this transition and that they feel heard 461 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 9: that those methods are also being deployed as well as 462 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 9: sort of this hybrid older regime newer regime draft that's 463 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 9: about to happen. 464 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 7: Sure, because we talk a lot about the upper leadership 465 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 7: obviously with Tony Bisselli coming in as EVP and then 466 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 7: Liam Cohen as the new coach, but the scouting department 467 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 7: is still the past scouting department other than a couple 468 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 7: of pieces that have been added. So a lot of 469 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 7: collaboration to see there as to what they're exactly going 470 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 7: to do. But they do have ten picks as of 471 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 7: this point. For those aren't four Six of them are 472 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 7: in the first couple of rounds of the draft. So 473 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 7: to kind of hear those numbers, I mean with the Rams, 474 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 7: obviously it's not necessarily going to be the exact same 475 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 7: way that he's. 476 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: Done it before. 477 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 7: But would anything surprise you with how he functions or 478 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 7: is it kind of just be prepared for anything with him? 479 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 8: No, Yeah, you've nailed it. 480 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 9: Because one thing I've learned over the last several years, 481 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 9: particularly covering this Los Angeles Rams team and just how 482 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 9: differently they do things relative to other teams across the league, is. 483 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 8: You go in expecting literally anything. 484 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 9: I'd say, trading up obviously in this case, you know, 485 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 9: would they pick so high in the first round anyway, 486 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 9: But like trading up has always been the least likely scenario. 487 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 8: With this team. 488 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 9: But I recall, you know, I did an interview with 489 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 9: James and Greg Rosenthal for NFL daily at the combine 490 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 9: and James slipped in this little oh, we have ten 491 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 9: picks for now. 492 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a total. 493 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 9: That totally got my trigger going and te okay, yeah, 494 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 9: all right. With the Rams had fourteen picks when they 495 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 9: were totally building their roster in twenty twenty three and 496 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 9: replacing some of those patch and go older, cheaper veterans 497 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 9: on those contracts as they went. Bringing in the large 498 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 9: free agency class sent a signal to me that they're 499 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 9: going to try to over time. 500 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 8: Take those spots and fill them with. 501 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 9: Draft picks that they're going to draft and develop, but 502 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 9: also need those veterans to help the young kids grow right, 503 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 9: and also need those veterans to help maintain the viability 504 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 9: of the roster while those players are developing. So I 505 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 9: would not be surprised to see James go get as 506 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 9: many picks as he possibly can. And the Rams found 507 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 9: five starters in that first class and then five in 508 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 9: the ten draft pick class the next season, so I 509 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 9: would not be surprised. 510 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 8: To see him go volume on this. 511 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 7: We've heard a lot about obviously draft and develop, but 512 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 7: you know, giving them a chance as rookies to be 513 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 7: contributors right off the bat right, So picking at five 514 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 7: at least for us what we've been discussing, there's a 515 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 7: lot of positions they could go with. I always say 516 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 7: anything besides quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever. So what 517 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 7: are some things that you know James really values in 518 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 7: terms of when looking at draft picks. Not necessarily always 519 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 7: need of the team, but what's something he values in 520 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 7: the players that he evaluates. 521 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, I will be interested to see how this develops 522 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 9: the in your building and in their building, because I 523 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 9: certainly got a first hand look of how this developed 524 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 9: in Los Angeles under James, where they the Rams have 525 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 9: found a way to and I don't want to say quantified, 526 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 9: because I think that's reductive of what it actually is, 527 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 9: but to articulate like how a person, a human being 528 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 9: will fit not just within their building, but also within 529 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 9: Sean mcvay's offense. 530 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 8: And I know Liam is incredibly drawn to that and 531 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 8: also has firsthand experience with that. And that takes an 532 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 8: extremely high level of communication between the coaching. 533 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 9: Staff and the front office, which I know is a 534 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 9: priority for the three people in leadership in Tony, James 535 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 9: and Liam, and I think that that's what is going 536 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 9: to really inform like the type of person that they 537 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 9: decide to bring in. The Rams started throwing out some 538 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 9: of the I guess stereotypical like traits based analyses. You know, 539 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 9: they don't really care about arm length if the player 540 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 9: could play. Braiden Fisk is an example of that. They 541 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 9: don't really care about the age of the player if 542 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 9: the player can come in and contribute. Injury history is 543 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 9: always going to be a flag for any team, but 544 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 9: they're willing to overlook certain things if they know that 545 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 9: they can get that player with you know, in their building, 546 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 9: with Reddy Scott and in the training staff. 547 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 8: You know, those types of things. 548 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 9: Are way in part and parcel with a huge emphasis 549 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 9: on these surveys that they do, these you know, personality 550 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 9: assessments that they do that they kind of blend together 551 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 9: in a bespoke evaluation that they've created over time and 552 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 9: that informed the quote unquote make him a RAM process 553 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 9: that found them guys like Pukanakua, Kobe Turner, who's an 554 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 9: undersized defensive tackle, you know, Braiden Fisk who has short arms. 555 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 8: You know, these guys. 556 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 9: Who run slow forties but play amazing. You know, it's 557 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 9: just it's it's those types of things that I'm particularly 558 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 9: interested in watching the process on Fold and Jacksonville because 559 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 9: I know that James has a plan for that alongside Jake, 560 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 9: Tammy and Liam and Tony, and I think that this 561 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 9: is going to be where they really identify now no 562 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 9: longer Rams, but Jaguars. 563 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 7: What it is to be a Jaguar. Absolutely, we're very 564 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 7: excited to kind of see what evolves in the next 565 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 7: couple of weeks. Jordan's thanks so much for joining us today. 566 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me some very thought provoking insight 567 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: there from Jordan again her podcast which kind of it 568 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: looks at the Shanahan Tree, of which McVey is a 569 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: part of, of which Liam Cohen is obviously a part of, 570 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: and I would check it out. You can get it 571 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: wherever you find your podcasts. It's a five part series 572 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: and it's very deep and very insightful as well. Thanks 573 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: to Kai and Jordan for joining us on jags Am. 574 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: When we come back, John and I will wrap it 575 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 2: all up. Jack's Am is brought to you by Fresh 576 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: from Florida. It's always in season. Welcome back, Brian and 577 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: John here to wrap things up on jags Am. Kai 578 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: will be back next week and next week's show, by 579 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: the way, we'll be on Wednesday and I will be 580 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: in Green Bay, so to be kin in John here. 581 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: The La Rams conversation is just fascinating because when you 582 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: hear from someone like Jordan Roudrieg, you understand they really 583 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: do think differently, asymmetrical, if you will, towards the old 584 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: way of thinking in the NFL. 585 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's gonna be interesting to watch them put 586 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 4: this together. I kind of laughed at the owners meetings 587 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: when Liam was asked once again about James Gladstone, and 588 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: they both at various points during the meeting kind of 589 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 4: laughed and said. 590 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: It wasn't like we were homies at their ams. 591 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: I mean, they weren't sitting in a dorm room at 592 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 4: training camp sort of plotting this act together. 593 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: But they think similarly. 594 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 4: And I think you're seeing in Gladstone as you talk 595 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 4: to them that they do have an ability to see 596 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: the league in a different way. And I think the 597 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 4: ability to adapt to situations as they come is probably 598 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 4: the common element. I think it was Liam refer to 599 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: the Rams as sort of the north Star, which to 600 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: me means it's not as if they're gonna say, we're 601 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 4: gonna do everything like the Rams did right, but bringing 602 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 4: that ability to adapt and to see the league for 603 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 4: how it is right now. I think that's been the 604 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: trademark of the Rams because they have built in different 605 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: ways since McVeigh has been there and been able to 606 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 4: adapt and sort of stay over their feet, if you. 607 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: Will, which I think is gonna be the interesting thing 608 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: to watch here. 609 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: How patient will we have to be to see the 610 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: influence of the Rams? And the reason I asked because 611 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: I thought it was one of the best questions that 612 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: Liam was asked and answered, was how do you balance 613 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: wanting to build something entirely different than they've had in Jacksonville, 614 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: but at the same time winning in twenty twenty five. 615 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I never quite know how to answer that question. 616 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 4: You know what fans asked, how should how patience would be? 617 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: How what should our expectations be? I know from talking 618 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: to people, this team feels like it can go win. 619 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 4: Now what win means, you know, seventeen and oh no, 620 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 4: but they can compete. I think they are trying to 621 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: take the approach we want to be better in twenty 622 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: twenty six than we are in twenty twenty five. They're 623 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: trying not to tie themselves into we have to win X, 624 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: because it's impossible to know that. 625 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: They feel like they should be able to win now. 626 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 4: And sort of maintain winning here and then build the draft. 627 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: So that you can get up to an elite level. 628 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 4: And it's the best way to describe it. What's today's 629 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: spectations be? I hope for the best. I wish I 630 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 4: had a better answer. 631 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: One final thought, mock drafts. Was asked a lot about 632 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: them at the Poselli Foundation in the last couple of days, 633 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: and I try to remind people that mock drafts try 634 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: to match need in value, right. They try to find 635 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: where the player fits and if a team has a need. 636 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: But what they don't understand, and this goes back to 637 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: the asymmetrical way of thinking, is what a team the 638 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: drag Wars in particular think about a particular player. So 639 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: I know everyone's focused on Mason Graham. I mean almost 640 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: every mock draft, and you do a mock draft tracker. 641 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: It's probably sixty seventy five percent. 642 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, at least, but I watched people. 643 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, not to get wrapped up in that seventy five 644 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 4: percent of mock dra actually say, say Mason Graham I 645 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 4: don't get the feeling that they are that locked in 646 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 4: on any particular player to make that right true, that 647 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 4: makes sense. It might be Mason Graham, but I don't 648 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: necessarily think that there are. They haven't cut out pictures 649 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: of Mason Graham and put them on their dorm room walls. 650 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: But people look at it. 651 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: People look at the mock drafts and the mock drafts 652 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: to be fair, that's all they can to. And so 653 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: people were leading with the question, what do you think 654 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: of Mason Graham? How does he fit in this skin? 655 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: And but I wouldn't, as you just said, I wouldn't 656 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: get too too dialed in on that one because these 657 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: guys think differently. 658 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: It's hard to it's hard to enunciate it. But people 659 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 4: before for the draft like to talk about positions, and 660 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 4: I get questions all the time. Should they take a 661 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 4: defensive tackle at number five? Should they take a wide receiver? 662 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 4: The way they think? You can't just say a position. 663 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 4: It's got to be what do you think of this guy? 664 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 4: Because it's not the position you're bringing into the building 665 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: next week or. 666 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: In two weeks. It's the guy. 667 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 4: And if the guy like you know, at five, if 668 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 4: you get a great defensive tackle. He's got great ability, 669 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 4: and all they wants to do is sit in his 670 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 4: dorm and play call of duty. Then you haven't got 671 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 4: the right guy. You've got the right position, and in 672 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 4: two years you're looking for. 673 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: A job, you got to take a good player. 674 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about greatness at that position. I think they're 675 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 4: going to lean toward player that they think can be. 676 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: A Hall of Famer someday. That's what you're looking. 677 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: For, and at any position right your roster needs that. 678 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: And that'll do it for this edition of Jags a 679 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: M Don't Forget Huddle Up podcast tomorrow John and Bucky Brooks, 680 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: and then on Thursday, I'm sitting in for JP Shafferck 681 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: who's out this week Jags Happy Hour, and of course 682 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: next week World to Wall coverage of all things Jaguars 683 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: and Green Bay and Draft. Thank you again to our 684 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 2: entire production crew for putting this fine show on and 685 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: we'll see you next week here on Jags al