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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 2: you hanging out with us this Thursday edition. Right off

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Speaker 2: the top. He announced officially for president yesterday. He is

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Speaker 2: with us now, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Governor.

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Speaker 1: I know you're in a whirlwind right now.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming on with us live right off

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Speaker 2: the top of the show here, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: hit you with the question that everybody listening to us

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Speaker 2: wants to know the answer to. You say you can

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Speaker 2: beat Joe Biden, you think Donald Trump cannot. Why are

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Speaker 2: you the right choice? Why is Trump the wrong choice?

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Speaker 3: Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 3: We see it with our own eyes and we can

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Speaker 3: feel it in our bones, and so we need to

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Speaker 3: offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I

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Speaker 3: think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test

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Speaker 3: than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,

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Speaker 3: and we were a to win all of those battles.

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Speaker 3: We took a state that had been a fifty to

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Speaker 3: fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state

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Speaker 3: with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's

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Speaker 3: winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent

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Speaker 3: of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I

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Speaker 3: never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.

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Speaker 3: I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not

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Speaker 3: pale pastels. But I was able to do that in

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Speaker 3: a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I

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Speaker 3: think the vast majority of the country wants a different

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Speaker 3: direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I

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Speaker 3: think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and

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Speaker 3: I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to

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Speaker 3: the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,

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Speaker 3: then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will

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Speaker 3: beyond the Bible, my right hand will be up in

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Speaker 3: the air on the west side of the Capitol, and

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Speaker 3: I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And

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Speaker 3: then we'll get to work and we will do in

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Speaker 3: the US all the good things that we did in

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Speaker 3: the state of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Governor de Santis, it's buck appreciate you being here with

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Speaker 1: us and congrats on the announcement and getting into the

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Speaker 1: mix here. It's going to be an interesting primary. We

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Speaker 1: all expect that. I was wondering what your message is

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Speaker 1: to a lot of the folks out there who want

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Speaker 1: to hear about an economic vision about how things can

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Speaker 1: get better for them. We know the Biden economy stinks,

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Speaker 1: everyone's clear on that. We know inflation has been at

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Speaker 1: forty year highs. What are the things that you would

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Speaker 1: do that would, specifically as president, help the working men

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Speaker 1: and women, many of whom feel forgotten by the Biden administration?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Well. First, I could point out nobody has done

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Speaker 3: better on the economy than we have in Florida since

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Speaker 3: COVID started. My whole administration has been strong. But if

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Speaker 3: you look at a lot of the problems we see

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Speaker 3: with our overall national economy, they're rooted in March of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty with FALCI, the lockdowns, the FED printing all

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Speaker 3: the money. We've bucked all of that, and we kept

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Speaker 3: people free, open schools. We have the great pats and

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Speaker 3: regulatory climate, and we've had people coming to invest in

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Speaker 3: Florida in record numbers. People are doing very well here.

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Speaker 3: Our unemployment rate is two point six percent. Blue California

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Speaker 3: So that's a significant difference, and we've outperformed the country.

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Speaker 3: So that's a great track record to run on. What

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Speaker 3: you do as president is one, you deal with inflation

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Speaker 3: by doing really three main things. One, stop spending so

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Speaker 3: much money. A president needs to wield the veto pen

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Speaker 3: where it is. Two, reverse Biden's energy policies. Embrace domestic

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Speaker 3: energy production. That will help lower inflation because energy costs

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Speaker 3: you know, the Federal Reserve is a big part of

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Speaker 3: Their role should be to maintain a stable dollar. They

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Speaker 3: respect that limited role. We also have to look at

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Speaker 3: the left's agenda. What they're doing is they're making it

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Speaker 3: Why would we want to rely on China for more

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Speaker 3: makes no sense from a national security perspective. We'll also

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Speaker 3: look at ways to lighten the tax burden. We've done

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Speaker 3: that in Florida. We just signed tax relief no taxes

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Speaker 3: so that's all tax free. Now we have a toll

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Speaker 3: relief program where we're reducing tolls by fifty percent. So

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Speaker 3: finding ways that the people that are working hard get

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Speaker 3: right way. The people that just show up for work

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Speaker 3: they end up having the more difficult time making ends meet. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: if you do the wrong things, or if you're just

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Speaker 3: And that's not what the American dream is all about.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Florida Governor Ron des Atsis. He announced

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Speaker 2: yesterday he is joining us live here to start off

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Speaker 2: the program. I'm sure you agree. You have a law background.

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Speaker 2: You've obviously been very aggressive legally in what you can

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Speaker 2: and cannot do as a governor of Florida Department of Justice.

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Speaker 2: The FBI has gone after the January sixth defendants with

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Speaker 2: reckless I would say abandoned. A big part of being

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Speaker 1: Do you think the.

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Speaker 2: January sixth defendants deserve to have their cases examined by

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Speaker 2: a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged

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Speaker 2: United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself

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Speaker 2: based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges.

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Speaker 3: The DOJ and FBI have been weaponized. We see that.

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Speaker 3: We see it in a variety of contexts. Some of

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Speaker 3: after parents, going to school board meetings. Some of it's

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Speaker 3: how they treat a pro life demonstrator, how they don't

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Speaker 3: what I'm going to do is I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: victims of weaponization or political targeting, and we will be

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Speaker 3: aggressive at issuing pardon. Now, some of these cases, some

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Speaker 3: people may have a technical violation of the law, but

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Speaker 3: don't get prosecuted at all, that is uneven application of justice.

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Speaker 3: And so we're going to find ways where that did

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Speaker 3: And I will do that at the front end. You know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people wait until the end of the

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Speaker 3: administration to issue pardons. We're going to find examples where

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Speaker 3: government's been weaponized against disfavored groups, and we will apply

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Speaker 3: relief as appropriate. But it will be done on a

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Speaker 3: case by case basis, because I think you've got to

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Speaker 3: they're being treated disfavorably, they need to have a fair

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Speaker 2: And that could be from a grandma who got arrested

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Speaker 2: Trump himself. Is that fair to say when you analyze

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Speaker 2: what the charges might have been brought on a federal level.

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Speaker 3: I would say any example of this favored treatment based

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Speaker 1: Governor One more for you, so I know you've got

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Speaker 1: a very busy day ahead of you. And actually wait,

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Speaker 1: Clay has one more, two at the very end, so

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Speaker 1: we got two more for you. But what we promise

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Speaker 1: will be quick. The border, huge problem at the borders.

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Speaker 1: We all know six million illegals, give or take, have

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Speaker 1: come into the country. You just signed something in Florida

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Speaker 1: that implements e Verify, which is actually dealing with the

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Speaker 1: illegal population in Florida in a way that Republicans have

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Speaker 1: said they've wanted to for a long time. What does

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Speaker 3: So national emergency declared on day one, all resources mobilized,

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Speaker 3: to hold the drug cartels accountable for what they're doing

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Speaker 3: Now overall, I would do everify nationwide. That you have

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Speaker 3: It was hard to do in Florida because you have

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Speaker 3: But then you also have big business and corporations who

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Speaker 3: So that was a very difficult nut for us to

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Speaker 3: so we would definitely look at doing those things. But

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Speaker 3: this issue has persisted throughout my entire adult lifetime, and

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Speaker 3: I will do it on day one, and I'll use

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Speaker 2: Combo question for you here. Your wife, Casey's fantastic. She's

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Speaker 2: already gotten attacked by Politico. They called her basically Lady Macbeth.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering what you think about your family already in

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Speaker 2: the line of fire. Second part of this this is

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Speaker 2: a little bit different question. But you now are running

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Speaker 2: If you had been a little bit better baseball player.

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Speaker 3: No. I mean, if I had had a spot in

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Speaker 3: taken that about anything else that anyone could have offered me,

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Speaker 3: and I would have played as long as I could have.

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Speaker 1: Learn and Last Weekdays with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a prominent case. It's going to get

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna use my little CIA coup overthrow tiny

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Speaker 1: I want to pose this to Julie. If these individuals

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Speaker 1: were part of a conspiracy to stockpile weapons, why did

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Speaker 1: none of them actually at all at all bring weapons

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Speaker 1: to the capital, right yeah. I also what is that?

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Speaker 1: And how do you And then you ask a questions,

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Speaker 1: how do you overthrow the federal government with no weapons?

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Speaker 1: That that, to me is the big point here.

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Speaker 2: If this were an actual coup, would you choose grandmas

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Speaker 2: and grandpa's with selfie sticks to be your soldiers? I mean,

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Speaker 2: the argument that this was in any way an attempt

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Speaker 2: to overthrow the United States government is so laughably absurd

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Speaker 2: on its face. And this is why Buck, I think,

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Speaker 2: to a large degree, including that they had a lot

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Speaker 2: of informants in that crowd encouraging people to go into

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Speaker 2: the Capitol, because that's one reason I think they don't

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Speaker 2: want all the footage to come out. But it's also

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Speaker 2: why we're only seeing a scentilla. I mean Tucker, the

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Speaker 2: video that Tucker showed of the so called QAnon shaman

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Speaker 2: who everybody was trying to say, oh my goodness, this

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Speaker 2: guy is a huge threat to the American Republic, and

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Speaker 2: then you watch him and the police are just kind

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Speaker 2: of walking around with him. That footage would have never

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Speaker 2: come out if not for Tucker's show. And so how

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Speaker 2: many of these other hours of footage that we have

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Speaker 2: are indicative of what the vast majority of people who

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Speaker 2: entered on January sixth did, which is they walked around,

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Speaker 2: they took photos inside, engaged in almost no violent behavior

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Speaker 2: as a collective group. And now we've got the full

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Speaker 2: might of the United States government treating them as if

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Speaker 2: they are the greatest threats to American democracy that have

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Speaker 2: ever existed.

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Speaker 1: You know, the whole purpose.

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Speaker 2: The thing that is so staggeringly difficult, I think for

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Speaker 2: a lot of people to even comprehend is the degree

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Speaker 2: of lying that's going on here. When you're talking about

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Speaker 2: threats to democracy, and you are the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: that's raiding the home of a former president, and you

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Speaker 2: are trying to put a former president in prison who

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Speaker 2: is a leading political opposition candidate of the party in power.

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Speaker 2: This is third world Banana Republic level idiocy, and frankly,

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Speaker 2: wat scarier than anything that happened on January sixth.

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Speaker 1: The judge here in d c. Meta said about this

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Speaker 1: defendant who's now going away for eighteen years, you, sir,

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Speaker 1: present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country,

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Speaker 1: to the republic, and to the very fabric of our democracy.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that judge is a lib who

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Speaker 1: is hostile to anybody who is even vaguely or tangentially

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Speaker 1: associated with being on the right. Again, the point here

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Speaker 1: is not to say that people who who broke who

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Speaker 1: destroyed property at the Capitol, or who were violent with

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Speaker 1: police officers shouldn't shouldn't be punished. The point is, disparate

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Speaker 1: treatment in the law for political reasons is a bedrock,

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Speaker 1: a foundation of tyranny. And we're sitting here on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, you know, we're talking about we got but Biden,

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Speaker 1: who's you know. Celo was commemorating the three year anniversary

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Speaker 1: of George Floyd. I'm sitting here saying, I remember when

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Speaker 1: maniacs destroyed my neighborhood, all Biden voters. I remember when

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Speaker 1: maniacs were mobbing outside the White House and tried to

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Speaker 1: burn down a historic church. I remember when Biden voters

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Speaker 1: tried to burn down a federal courthouse. I remember when

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Speaker 1: they were attempting to blind the federal officers sent there

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Speaker 1: to Portland by DHS with lasers to blind somebody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if someone told me I'm trying to blind you, and

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Speaker 1: I had a side arm, I would use it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: blinding somebody is extreme aming. You should be able to

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Speaker 1: use lethal force to defend yourself against that. How many

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Speaker 1: of them got twenty years in prison? None?

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Speaker 2: No BLM protester, and there were far more of them

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Speaker 2: doing far more violence have faced any level of prosecution

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Speaker 2: remotely similar to Jan six.

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Speaker 1: You know, you sit here, you wonder how much time

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Speaker 1: did the lunatics who fire bombed the police car in

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Speaker 1: New York City get. They didn't get twenty years Biden voters.

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Speaker 1: How much time did the people who you go down

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Speaker 1: the list. You see, the country was convulsed. The twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election was held under the threat of mob violence

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Speaker 1: by lunatic Biden voters pretending that you know, BLM is

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Speaker 1: what they're really They just wanted to burn everything down

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Speaker 1: and they got away with it. And so I understand

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of frustration from people out there who

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Speaker 1: sit there and say, okay, So you know, there was

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Speaker 1: a protest about Biden about the twenty twenty election. Some

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Speaker 1: people got out of hand. You know, ninety five percent

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Speaker 1: of the people gathering in DC didn't do anything. It

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Speaker 1: was a mostly peaceful protest, remember that. But some of

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Speaker 1: them got out of hand some of them. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: should face consequences for attacking cops and whatever, But how

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Speaker 1: do we deal with that? How do we process that?

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Speaker 1: When Biden voters in mobs, and of course they were

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Speaker 1: allowed to even during COVID because it was so important,

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Speaker 1: can attack police with impunity, they would just show up.

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Speaker 1: They would show up and do everything that you saw

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Speaker 1: people doing on January sixth to police. I have seen

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Speaker 1: at different left wing Democrat Biden voting mobs in the past,

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Speaker 1: everything throwing. I've seen them throw rocks at cops. I've

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Speaker 1: seen them throw bottles of urine. I've seen them punch cops.

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Speaker 1: Any of them get twenty years or eighteen years in

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Speaker 1: federal prison, I don't think so. Look, we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Julie about this in a few minutes. But a country

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Speaker 1: where you can't trust the justice system is not a

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Speaker 1: country where you're going to think there is a justice

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Speaker 1: system for very long. All Right, I gotta take a moment,

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. Joining us now as we had promised,

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Speaker 1: is our friend Julie Kelly. She's a writer of American greatness.

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Speaker 1: She's got a book January sixth, how Democrats use the

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Speaker 1: Capital protest to launch a war on terror against the

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Speaker 1: political right. Julie, Thank you for coming back and talking

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Speaker 1: to us all about this. We told everybody at the

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Speaker 1: top of this hour about the breaking news that Roads,

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Speaker 1: one of the defendants from January sixth, and an Oathkeeper,

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Speaker 1: got eighteen years in federal prison, the biggest sentence anyone's gotten.

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Speaker 1: What do we need to know about this case and

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Speaker 1: what message do you think it's sending.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. So this is Stuart Rhodes,

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Speaker 4: who was the founder and leader of the Oathkeepers. He

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Speaker 4: and several other members of the group were charged with

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Speaker 4: seditious conspiracy. This is a crime tanamount to treason. It's

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Speaker 4: a Civil War era statute. Almost everyone in the United

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Speaker 4: States who's ever been convicted of seditious conspiracy are foreign

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Speaker 4: terrorists with ties to El Keaeda and the Taliban. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 4: this DOJ has brought that charge against numerous Oathkeepers and

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Speaker 4: Proud Boys. Today is the first sentencing that came down

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Speaker 4: in the conviction seditious conspiracy conviction. He was found guilty

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Speaker 4: by a jury in November. Judge Ah Maida, one of

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Speaker 4: the worst partisans on the DC District Court, allowed the

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Speaker 4: government consented to the government's request to add a terrorism

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Speaker 4: enhancement to Stuart Roads's sentence. The government DOJ Matthew Graves,

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Speaker 4: DCS attorney wanted Roads in prison for twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: Not only did Mata allow the terrorism enhancement, sentenced him

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Speaker 4: to eighteen years in prison, the longest prison sentence for

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Speaker 4: any January sixth defendant. And also, I believe the first

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Speaker 4: time an American has been convicted and sentenced for seditious conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: What did he do? Julie, Like, what did he really

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Speaker 1: actually do? Do you know what I mean? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've told us the charges, but you know, what are

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Speaker 1: the transgressions that we should be aware of?

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Speaker 4: So basically in Stuart Rhodes is a kooky guy, right,

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Speaker 4: and he sort of initiate and organized members of Oathkeepers

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Speaker 4: across the country to go to Washington, d C. But

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Speaker 4: most of the evidence, just like in the Proud Boys

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Speaker 4: trial which we've talked about, is nothing more than messages

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Speaker 4: and videos, texts and encrypted chats, travel plans to get

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Speaker 4: to Washington d C. Stuart Rhodes didn't even go inside

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Speaker 4: the building, and the people, the oathkeepers who did go

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Speaker 4: in the building went in peacefully. There were police standing

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Speaker 4: right there. There's actual video of oathkeepers inside trying to

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Speaker 4: help police calm down the situation. This includes Capitol Police

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Speaker 4: officer Harry Dunn, who gave a victim impact statement yesterday,

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Speaker 4: balled his eyes out, this big, huge Capitol Police officer

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Speaker 4: and so but Stuart Roads. None of them did anything violent.

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Speaker 4: There was no way they could overthrow the government or

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Speaker 4: wage war against the United States without any weapons. In fact,

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Speaker 4: they stayed at hotels in Virginia when they drove to Washington,

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Speaker 4: legally bringing some firearms. They left them in the hotel

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Speaker 4: in Virginia so they didn't violate Washington DC. See strict

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Speaker 4: handgun lots. I mean, these are the same people who

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Speaker 4: are trying to overthrow the government. But unfortunately the definition

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Speaker 4: and the jury instructions for finding guilt in seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 4: is so low that these juries are coming back in

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Speaker 4: record time, within a day or two with guilty verdicts

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Speaker 4: on this and then the government DOJ Attorney General Merrick

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Speaker 4: Garland and DCUs Attorney Matthew Graves absolutely throwing the book

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Speaker 4: at these guys like they are murderers.

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Speaker 2: Julie, this is important, and thank you for all the

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Speaker 2: work you've done on this, and thank you for coming

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Speaker 2: on as frequently as you have to share the latest

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Speaker 2: on the jan six, the individuals, and basically I think

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Speaker 2: it's fair to call them political prisoners at this point,

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Speaker 2: many of them.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things.

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Speaker 2: Can you contextualize for everybody out there, how the throwing

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Speaker 2: the book at the JAN six defendants compares with the

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Speaker 2: leniency that we're seeing in virtually every other criminal enterprise

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Speaker 2: involved in Washington, DC. And the second part of that,

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Speaker 2: this is so key. I think you have been on

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Speaker 2: with us for I think years now saying charges are

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Speaker 2: coming against Trump one hundred percent you said last summer

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Speaker 2: one hundred I think you now elevated it to like

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Speaker 2: one hundred and ten percent. How does this all fit

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Speaker 2: in in your mind as part of the puzzle pieces

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Speaker 2: that are being constructed to bring those charges against Trump.

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Speaker 4: So absolute one hundred and twenty percent that Trump is

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Speaker 4: going to be indicted. What is dangerous for the seditious

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Speaker 4: conspiracy convictions and now sentences related to domestic terror enhancements

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Speaker 4: is both of these groups have been tied to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: The Proud Boys convictions that came down last month were

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Speaker 4: specially dangerous because the government DOJ made Donald Trump a

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Speaker 4: key figure in that trial. Well, we talked about during

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Speaker 4: closing arguments the assistant US attorney the first clip that

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Speaker 4: they played for the jury was the clip of Trump

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Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty debate where he said, proud Boys

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Speaker 4: stand back and stand by. The oathkeepers are also tried

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Speaker 4: tied to Donald Trump because some of them went there

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Speaker 4: to provide security for Trump associates, including Roger Stone. So

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Speaker 4: Trump's name came up dozens of times in this one

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty three crazy sentencing memorandum with the government

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Speaker 4: wanted these nine convicted oathkeepers the prison sentences. So this

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Speaker 4: will give even more ammo to Special Counsel Jack Smith,

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Speaker 4: Mrrick Garland's hand pick prosecutor special prosecutor to seek a

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Speaker 4: grand jury indictment against Donald Trump. First seditious conspiracy as well.

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Speaker 4: This is problematic not just because of the potential sentence,

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Speaker 4: but because there now is case law and precedent to

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Speaker 4: deny release that means deny bond for someone who is

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Speaker 4: being charged with seditious conspiracies. So this really escalates not

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Speaker 4: just the legal threat jeffery, which has always been there

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Speaker 4: for Trump, but the seriousness of the charge and the

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Speaker 4: consequences of seditious conspiracy indictment.

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Speaker 2: And as part of this, by the way, just in

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Speaker 2: terms of if you're someone out there and you are

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Speaker 2: trying to argue, oh, well, they're just prosecuting everybody in

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Speaker 2: DC to the fullest extent of the law. Actually, they're

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Speaker 2: letting actual violent criminals off. In fact, the data reflects

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Speaker 2: that in DC they're tending to lower felonies to misdemeanors. Right,

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Speaker 2: So the district attorneys and the people who are prosecuting

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Speaker 2: in Washington, DC are uniquely throwing the book at these

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Speaker 2: political prisoners and letting actual violent criminals run amuck. Right,

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Speaker 2: based on what you see when you look at the.

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Speaker 4: Data, that's absolutely right. And the data is that Matthew

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Speaker 4: Gray's the DCUs attorney appointed by Joe Biden. He's unique

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Speaker 4: in terms of he handles both local and federal crimes

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Speaker 4: committed in Washington, d C. He has a sixty seven

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Speaker 4: percent declination rate that means declining to bring charges against

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Speaker 4: people that police have arrested, and they bring these cases

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Speaker 4: to Matthew Graves's office and he declines to prosecute sixty

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Speaker 4: seven percent of the alleged criminals in Washington, d C. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: he is one hundred percent prosecution rate. Doesn't matter if

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Speaker 4: it's someone who accused of parading in the capital, low

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Speaker 4: level misdemeanor or a ridiculous, seditious conspiracy indictment that he

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Speaker 4: brought as soon as he took over that office. So

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Speaker 4: that's why Washington, d C. As it descends into violent

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Speaker 4: chaos every single weekend. But don't worry, Stuart Rhodes, you

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Speaker 4: know this kind of crazy, kooky guy who leads the Oathkeepers.

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Speaker 4: Former law enforcement and veterans are most of that group.

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Speaker 4: He will be safely behind bars for eighteen years while

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Speaker 4: other criminals run free in the nation's capital.

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Speaker 1: Julie, one more for you, and we're speaking to Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 1: We recommend her book to all of you who are listening.

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Speaker 1: January sixth, how Democrats use the capital protest to launch

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Speaker 1: a war on terror against the political right. Last one

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Speaker 1: for you, Julie, what is the top count going to be?

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Speaker 1: In your mind? You said Trump is absolutely going to

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Speaker 1: be federally indicted. Just to add some specificity here, do

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Speaker 1: you think they're going to go with a seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 1: charge against President Trump?

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Speaker 4: I think since we're talking percentages we like here, and

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Speaker 4: I know you guys are sports guys. I think it

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Speaker 4: went from about fifty percent before to eighty percent after

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Speaker 4: the Proud Boy's convictions, and today this sentence saying, I

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Speaker 4: would say it's probably ninety percent chance that Jack Smith

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Speaker 4: Special Council Jacksmith will seek seditious conspiracy indictment against Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump in addition to numerous other accounts such as obstruction.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the time is, Julie, in which

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Speaker 1: this would likely occur?

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Speaker 4: So, I know we've talked about this before, including last year,

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Speaker 4: but then there were some wrinkles the August rate of

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Speaker 4: mar Lago than the pursuit of the classified documents investigation.

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Speaker 4: So I'm thinking there could be the classified documents indictment

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Speaker 4: could come as soon as June, and the January sixth

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Speaker 4: indictments could be July August. I can't see them going

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Speaker 4: much longer than the fall because it looks like both

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Speaker 4: investigations are wrapping up. When the January sixth investigation the

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Speaker 4: bringing Michael Pence, Vice President Mike Pence before the grand jury,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to see how much more they can get

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Speaker 4: out of that. So I think that they're working on

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Speaker 4: both of those and we're going to see back to

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Speaker 4: back in multi count indictments against Donald Trump from Jacksmith.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, jul I know I said last one, but

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Speaker 1: now I'm just so, I'm just I think it's so important,

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Speaker 1: so curious I have to ask your opinion on this

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Speaker 1: one because you saw all the federal indictment coming a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. A DC jury, I don't have to

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Speaker 1: ask you one hundred percent. In my mind, DC jury

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Speaker 1: would convict Donald Trump of anything that Jack Smith refers

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Speaker 1: to doj for an actual charge. So then wouldn't that

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Speaker 1: mean that they actually want to lock Donald Trump up?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And Julie, doesn't that also mean that the question we

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Speaker 2: talked to DeSantis about, and I saw you responding to

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Speaker 2: it on Twitter. Shouldn't every Republican candidate in your mind

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Speaker 2: be pledging that they will pardon Donald Trump if they

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Speaker 2: become president, because otherwise they're going to try to put

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Speaker 2: him in prison.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean, pardon Donald Trump and of course all

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Speaker 4: the Jan sixers even and make sure the sentences for

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Speaker 4: even the most violent offenders are commensurate with the sentences

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Speaker 4: brought by this DCUs Attorney's office in other cases assaulting

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Speaker 4: police officers. They routinely drop cases against people in DC

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Speaker 4: who arrested for assaulting.

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Speaker 1: Police Officer's absolutely right, That's what I keep saying. I mean, Julian,

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Speaker 1: We're not We're not trying to excuse any illegal behavior.

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Speaker 1: We just want fair treatment that isn't infused with nothing

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Speaker 1: but political malice, and that is what we have seen.

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Speaker 1: But thanks to your coverage, at least the American people

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Speaker 1: know about what's going on. We'll continue to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly, thank you again for being with us. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you anytime.

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Speaker 4: Guys, thanks for covering my work.

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Speaker 1: Oh guys, you know, let's look at the markets for

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Speaker 1: a second. It is rough out there. I mean, everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about inflation and what are they gonna do with

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, we

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Speaker 2: played for all of you the Trump reaction, most recently

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Speaker 2: to the DeSantis announcement and the way that Trump is

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Speaker 2: attacking DeSantis. I wanted to play a couple of cuts

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Speaker 2: for those of you who were not with us at

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Speaker 2: the start of the show. Ron DeSantis joined the program

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Speaker 2: to discuss everything about his announcement, and first of all,

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Speaker 2: I think the number one reason why DeSantis is running

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Speaker 2: is he thinks he'll beat Biden. Here is that answer

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Speaker 2: from DeSantis about why he would beat Biden and he

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Speaker 2: doesn't believe Trump would listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you with the question.

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Speaker 2: That everybody listening to us wants to know the answer to.

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Speaker 2: You say you can beat Joe Biden, you think Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump cannot.

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Speaker 1: Why are you the right choice? Why is Trump the

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Speaker 1: wrong choice?

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Speaker 3: Well, we know the country's going in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 3: We see it with our own eyes, and we can

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Speaker 3: feel it in our bones, and so we need to

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Speaker 3: offer an alternative path to a stronger America. And I

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Speaker 3: think what we've done in Florida is face bigger test

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Speaker 3: than any governor has ever had to face, particularly with COVID,

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Speaker 3: and we were able to win all of those battles.

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Speaker 3: We took a state that had been a fifty to

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Speaker 3: fifty state and turned it into a sixty forty state

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Speaker 3: with my reelection. And that's not just winning Republicans, that's

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Speaker 3: winning independent voters by eighteen percent, it's winning sixty percent

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Speaker 3: of Hispanic voters, winning women voters by eight percent. I

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Speaker 3: never contorted myself to try to fit the political wins.

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Speaker 3: I was a bold leader. It was bold colors, not

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Speaker 3: tail pastels. But I was able to do that in

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Speaker 3: a way that really developed the groundswell of support. I

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Speaker 3: think the vast majority of the country wants a different

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Speaker 3: direction than what they're getting with Joe Biden, and I

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Speaker 3: think that if I'm the candidate, we will win, and

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Speaker 3: I think we will win convincingly. In my promise to

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Speaker 3: the voters participating in this primary, if you nominate me,

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Speaker 3: then January twentieth, twenty twenty five, my left hand will

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Speaker 3: beyond the Bible. My right hand will be up in

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Speaker 3: the air on the west side of the Capitol, and

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Speaker 3: I'll take the oath as President number forty seven. And

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Speaker 3: then we'll get to work and we will do in

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Speaker 3: the US all the good things that we did in

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Speaker 3: the state of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Buck, do you buy it?

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Speaker 2: I think this is a question that a lot of

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Speaker 2: our listeners are having right now, your debates, in your family,

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Speaker 2: your debates, and your friend circles. I believe that DeSantis

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Speaker 2: would beat Biden if he were the nominee, and I

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Speaker 2: believe it primarily based on Biden's eighty two I think

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Speaker 2: Biden's single greatest vulnerability is his age. I think if

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Speaker 2: you put a forty four year old on the debate

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Speaker 2: stage with Joe Biden, presuming he's even willing to debate,

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Speaker 2: if you have Casey DeSantis and three young kids against

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, who's eighty two years old, I think that

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Speaker 2: is a cosmetic not a direct a policy perspective. That

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Speaker 2: is a cosmetic thing that resonates very much. So I

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Speaker 2: think DeSantis would be more likely to beat Biden just

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Speaker 2: based on age. Do you think that DeSantis is more

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Speaker 2: likely to beat Biden than Trump is That is a

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Speaker 2: question that I think a lot of people are debating.

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Speaker 1: So you have to break it down into the difful

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Speaker 1: different almost verticals you could call them in media, right,

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Speaker 1: the different buckets of voters. And I think that when

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Speaker 1: you do that, because right now, yeah, the country is

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Speaker 1: we're a close to fifty to fifty country. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we saw that in the last election. We saw that election.

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Speaker 1: Before you start to go back in time, you have

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Speaker 1: to look pretty hard for a definitive electoral defeat. I

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Speaker 1: mean you have to go back really to the Obama

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Speaker 1: era beating McCain and then beating Romney. And when I

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Speaker 1: say definitive, obviously Trump won and it was phenomenal in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, but it didn't win by a huge amount

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Speaker 1: of votes in the states that he won. He got

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Speaker 1: just the votes he needed in just the places he

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Speaker 1: needed to win, which was fabulous. Right, that's fantastic. How

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Speaker 1: do you do that again? This time? You look at

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Speaker 1: who's up for grabs? Where has the Republican Party in

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Speaker 1: swing states been weak in twenty twenty two and twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty We all know what the states are. We'll just

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Speaker 1: keep talking about them. Because they're gonna be on our right.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Virginia is going to be in the mix this time around. Arizona, Arizona, Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: You like, even Arizona. Arizona's a red state. Yep. Why

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Speaker 1: didn't we win in Arizona? Everybody? Okay, yeah, they they

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Speaker 1: the machines broke down on Kerry Lake. There are other

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Speaker 1: Republicans who won in that state though. Now I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's not unfair that the machines, the voting machines,

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Speaker 1: broke down on Carry. But I'm just saying it is

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Speaker 1: possible for Republicans to win on Arizona. We should win

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Speaker 1: this clearly. College educated white voters, working class white voters,

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Speaker 1: Hispanic voters in those key states, Soccer moms. Those are

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Speaker 1: basically suburban moms, right, Those are the places where you

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Speaker 1: can pick it up. Working class white voters, college educated

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Speaker 1: white voters, and moms who live in suburban areas of

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Speaker 1: those key states. How does the Santus do with those demographics? Well,

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Speaker 1: and I said Hispanic voters, I think too. Hispanic's picking up. Look,

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Speaker 1: ronson is one Miami date, Yeah, Miami Dade County, which

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Speaker 1: Miami City is, you know, seventy three percent Latino. So

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Speaker 1: I think that he has a lot of strength in

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Speaker 1: those areas and that that goes very well for him.

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Speaker 1: The question that I need someone to answer for me

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Speaker 1: is what is the way for Trump to win back

883
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Speaker 1: in the general those voters where there has been there

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Speaker 1: There have been clear indicators of softness or even rejection

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Speaker 1: of support for Trump back candidates and Trump himself in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty. But this is open

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Speaker 1: by This is ongoing question. I'm not pretending to have

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Speaker 1: the answers on this, but I think those are some

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Speaker 1: of the questions that MAGA and the folks who are

890
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Speaker 1: all in on Trump right now are going to be

891
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Speaker 1: answering for primary voters going forward. I think that's essential.

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Speaker 2: My number one question, my number one question for Trump

893
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Speaker 2: would be, you say the election was stolen in twenty twenty,

894
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Speaker 2: why would they not steal the election again in twenty

895
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Speaker 2: twenty four? This is to me, the self defeating nature

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Speaker 2: of trump underlying argument, And anybody out there who voted

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Speaker 2: for Trump, and I did obviously in twenty twenty if

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Speaker 2: you believe that the election was stolen. If you take

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Speaker 2: Trump at his word, what has changed that will keep

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Speaker 2: the election from being stolen in twenty twenty four. I've

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Speaker 2: not heard anybody make a strong argument about what need

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Speaker 2: what has changed?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: If you think the Democrats were willing to cheat in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty such that they kept Trump from being president,

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Speaker 2: why would they not cheat again in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That's the self defeating to me.

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Speaker 2: Aspect of focusing on twenty twenty, DeSantis won Florida by

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Speaker 2: nineteen points. That's not close, right. I want a landslide

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Speaker 2: election because I do think if this thing comes down

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Speaker 2: to a few thousand ballots. Yeah, I'm really nervous about

912
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen. I'm nervous about suddenly there's going

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Speaker 2: to be a fire alarm that goes off in Atlanta

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Speaker 2: and suddenly something gets flooded. Right, I've heard this from

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Speaker 2: a lot of Remember I'm I'm a two time Trump

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Speaker 2: voter and eight oh sorry four year when he was president,

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Speaker 2: staunch Trump supporter. What I've heard from a lot of

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Speaker 2: two time Trump voters, though, is we all have to

919
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Speaker 2: understand that they cheated.

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Speaker 1: Isn't an excuse, meaning we have to understand Democrats are

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Speaker 1: going to fight super dirty yep, and we need somebody

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Speaker 1: who will see the dirty fighting before the votes are

923
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Speaker 1: all counted, catch the dirty fighting of the you know,

924
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Speaker 1: the dirty politics as it's happening, and end up at

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Speaker 1: the White House as the guy. So that's the mission.

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Speaker 1: Another four years of well, you know, are we going

927
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Speaker 1: to go through another four years of well we actually won? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: I can't live through it.

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Speaker 2: And that's why my clarion, call, my guiding light, is

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Speaker 2: the nominee has to beat Joe Biden. So what I

931
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Speaker 2: would encourage And everybody's gonna come to different the conclusions. Right,

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Speaker 2: We'll take calls, but some people are gonna say, Vivia

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Speaker 2: Gramasamy's my guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine, fine, of course, that's what a

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Speaker 1: primary is. For the nicky Hanley fans out there, don't

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Speaker 1: be scared. You can call in. There's a few of

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Speaker 1: you have called in. Don't think that we're going to

938
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Speaker 1: you know, we open form whoever you. We want you

939
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Speaker 1: to be able to make the case for whoever your

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Speaker 1: person is in this primary. To all of your fellow

941
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Speaker 1: Conservatives and Republicans all across the country right now. Wade

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Speaker 1: in Allentown, you're a Trump guy. You're in Pennsylvania, which

943
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Speaker 1: is the most important state probably of all of them.

944
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Speaker 1: If you could waive a magic wand and guarantee the

945
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Speaker 1: Republicans are gonna win. But remember they just put a

946
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Speaker 1: basically dead man and John fetterman into the Senate. Wade,

947
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Speaker 1: how would you break this down?

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Speaker 5: I would answer the question you've been answering asking the

949
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Speaker 5: past few seconds. I called because of what somebody said earlier,

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Speaker 5: but the way you framed the question. Now, I voted

951
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Speaker 5: for Trump twice and I'm going to vote for him

952
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Speaker 5: a third time. And that is that he should stop

953
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Speaker 5: talking about twenty twenty. I understand that. But what he

954
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Speaker 5: what he needs to do is stand up. And I

955
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Speaker 5: wish Rondasansers would do. I never met Rond Deasanteles. I

956
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Speaker 5: don't know him. I may be a wonderful guy, but

957
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Speaker 5: Ron DeSantis never walked on North Korea and faced down

958
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Speaker 5: the people. Ron Desantius never faced down Chi and did that.

959
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Speaker 5: Ron DeSantis never should up and said your European countries,

960
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Speaker 5: if you don't do this, you're not getting our money.

961
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Speaker 5: Trump did every single thing that we asked him to

962
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Speaker 5: do because they work for us, we don't work for them.

963
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 5: We voted for Trump to do something, and he did it.

964
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Speaker 5: He walked out on stage and hugged the fly. He

965
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Speaker 5: walked out on stage and nominated three people to the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court in defensive life. We appreciate everything he did,

967
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Speaker 5: and I wanted to continue to do it.

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Speaker 1: Now, wait, can I ask you a question? Wait, I

969
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Speaker 1: have a question for you. First of all, as were

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, appreciate you calling in. Do you

971
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Speaker 1: think it's fair to point out what you're saying? All

972
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Speaker 1: makes sense to me. What you're saying is what I

973
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Speaker 1: think I should be hearing from the Trump campaign. But

974
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Speaker 1: when he's when he's when he's talking, why go after

975
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Speaker 1: the Florida situation?

976
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Speaker 5: Like why pretend no I'm saying I'm saying if if

977
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Speaker 5: Aron said, you have to analyze why a person wants

978
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Speaker 5: to be president, what they think they're going to do.

979
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Speaker 5: And Donald Trump already had seventy years old, had all

980
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Speaker 5: the money he needed, had airplanes, he had stuff. He

981
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 5: could have just sat back and said, I want to

982
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 5: show you kids the seven Wonders of the world. But

983
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Speaker 5: he decided to fight for his country. Now after doing

984
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Speaker 5: all this, going to all he's going to he's willing

985
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Speaker 5: to do it all again. I wish somebody like Ron

986
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Speaker 5: Desantius would stand up and say Donald Trump is right,

987
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 5: they stole that election. We don't know how, we can't

988
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Speaker 5: prove what.

989
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Speaker 2: Okay, But so Wayne, my I agree with you with

990
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Speaker 2: a lot of what you're saying. My question is, if

991
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Speaker 2: you believe twenty twenty was stolen, and Trump does, and

992
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Speaker 2: that's a big part of his argument for twenty twenty four,

993
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Speaker 2: why would they not steal twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 5: Oh I don't thought he will.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay. So that's that's my question. Wayne.

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Speaker 2: If Trump lost in twenty twenty and you believe that

997
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Speaker 2: the election was stolen, which is you're right, I it

998
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Speaker 2: was rigged, right, I've said that for a long time,

999
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Speaker 2: why would they not rig it again in twenty twenty four?

1000
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Speaker 2: What has changed? That's why this is an ultimately self

1001
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Speaker 2: defeating argument to me, because if Trump said they cheated,

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Speaker 2: I actually won in twenty twenty, Well if they cheat

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Speaker 2: again and he loses in twenty twenty four, we spend

1004
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Speaker 2: eight years saying the same thing, Oh they cheated, But

1005
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Speaker 2: guess what Joe Biden, who can barely raise his right

1006
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Speaker 2: hand and repeat after the Chief Justice or whoever's going

1007
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Speaker 2: to be swearing him in, is going to be standing

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Speaker 2: there in twenty twenty five getting four more years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we appreciate you calling in, Wade, thank you

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Speaker 1: for giving us a Pennsylvania perspective. We'll get some more

1011
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