WEBVTT - How Dying Works 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:11.160 Welcome to you stuff you should know Frondhouse storks dot com. Hey, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.600 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:19.720 Chuck Bryant, he and Jerry's over there. Jerry, for the 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.360 first time, I just saw a meme that's been out 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.880 for a couple of years. Yeah, that's that happened. That's 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.120 like when you rolled me like two years after it 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.880 was popular. You're like, isn't it the best? I was 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.559 lying in Wait, yeah, I thought that happened. So and 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.920 there's nothing more obnoxious than sending someone something and be 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.640 like fill it two years ago. I'm so so sorry. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.120 I tried to show you something funny, right, you know. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.400 But yeah, Jerry just saw the do we even say 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:51.200 the mumble mouth reporter? Maybe? Yeah, the lady who supposedly 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.400 had a migraine but appeared to have had a stroke 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.080 reporting from the Grammys in Los Angeles a couple of 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.920 years ago. Yeah. I still don't know whether it's okay 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:59.440 to laugh at that, because I don't know really what 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.959 happened to her. Well, we didn't laugh. We very solemnly 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:10.600 showed Jerry. Yeah, and she laughed terrible. Jerry. Um, I've 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.880 got one for you. I've got a bit of an intro. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.600 It's not much, so get your hopes up. Um. Have 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.080 you ever heard of the Population Reference Bureau? No, you have, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.960 because I've mentioned it before. I've mentioned this this article before. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.759 It's on PRB dot org. It's called how Many People 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.000 Have Ever Lived on Earth? And I don't know what 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.119 we've mentioned and it maybe the Population Episode or something. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.200 But it's a really cool little article by this demographer 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.600 named Carl hobb h au b and he Um. There's 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.000 even a video of him explaining it if you couldn't 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.640 get what he was going with. But hobb um he 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:52.760 reckons that modern humans, people who are virtually indistinguishable from 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.400 you or me, aside from the fact that they're not 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.559 wearing like any clothes really um showed up about fifty 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.920 two thousand years ago. So hobb puts the population of 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:11.440 humanity at two uh in fifty thousand BC. Okay, so 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.959 from that point to two thousand eleven, he extrapolates, does 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.480 the math, does this little demography thing, and hobb comes 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.800 up with the number that one hundred and seven billion, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.000 six hundred and two million, seven hundred and seven thousand, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:31.160 seven hundred ninety one people have ever lived between fifty 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:35.640 thousand BC and two thousand eleven. See, that's pretty neat, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.240 it is. That's a lot of people. He says. That 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:43.360 means about six point five of that are alive right now, 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.639 or we're in two thousand eleven, right, so we're dying off. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.600 That's the point. All one hundred and seven billion, six 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.760 hundred two million, seven hundred seven thousand, seven hundred ninety 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.600 one of those people had one thing in common, one 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:04.079 thing aside from being humans, no, not even not even yeah, yeah, 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.200 they didn't have tax and in fifty BC they had 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:12.360 running from sabretooth tigers and death. It was death. That's 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.600 the one thing. All one hundred and seven billions, six 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.640 d two millions, seven hundred seven thousand, seven hundred ninety 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.880 one of those people had in common. You know, when 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.320 I was thinking of your intro driving here today, I 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.280 thought that'd be funny if Josh was like, how long 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.120 people been dying Chuck, And you know what, this wasn't 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.239 that far off? Was like, he wouldn't do that. You're like, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.760 every way too boring. That's a good number. I like that. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:42.920 Hundred seven billion, six hundred two million, seven hundred one 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:48.640 thousand seven seven. Yeah. Yeah, and that includes you and me. Pal. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:53.520 You know what that means. You're gonna die. I'm gonna die, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.360 Jerry's gonna die at least two or three times. We're 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.520 all gonna die. Yeah. This is our dying podcast, and 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.680 we have covered just about every aspect of dying. Can 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.440 you die from a broken heart? How rigor mortis works? 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.520 What's the worst way to die? Um? Is there a 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.280 best way to die? Did we do that? That was 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.400 kind of in the is there was? Yeah? Um, we've 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.160 covered everything from autopsies, peak oil, what can be done 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.400 with the dead body? Ninja's Yeah, well Ninja at least 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.479 you should know better than that. Yeah. We really have 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.240 danced around everything except just how dying works. And this 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.760 is gonna be a sad podcast in many ways and 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.560 gruesome in some ways. Yeah, because we're gonna touch on 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.200 some of the stuff we hit on in like rigor 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.400 mortis and autopsies and the actual dying process. Right, But 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.880 I mean, so brace yourself. And I've mentioned this guy 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:54.279 scores of times at least, but as the it's a 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:59.200 Charles Man. You're thinking of the great psychologist Ernest Becker, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.640 Oh yeah, shout out to our pal Joe Randazzo, who's 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.120 like in the Becker Now, Ernest, there's Ernest, Ernest, you're 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:11.159 thinking of Max Ernest. Okay. Ernest becker Um wrote the 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.320 Denial of Death, seminal work that basically says, we're all 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.200 just doing everything we came to think about our own demise, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.719 and there is some sort of health, whether it's spiritual, emotional, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.440 there's some sort of health or well being I think 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.120 from facing the fact that you're going to die and 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.600 talking about it. Yeah, so let's talk about death, baby, 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.360 Let's talk about you and me. Let's do it. Okay. 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.799 So Molly Edmonds Um, who used to be on Sminty 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.000 Step Mom never told you we call it sminty Um 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.839 wrote this one, and I think it is interesting. And 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.039 I usually don't like it when articles say, like the 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.800 definition of blah blah blah, but it's kind of interesting 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.720 that in the first encyclopedia it was just the separation 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.320 of the soul from the body, and now it's you know, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.320 thirty times that long in the encyclopedia, right, And that's 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.720 just sort of indicative of how we used to think 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.200 of it and how I don't know if it's ironic 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.680 or not, but how medical science has complicated that over 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.360 the years. Yeah, well it's definitely ironic because I mean, 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.520 we used to be confident that we understood death. It's 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.400 like that person isn't moving anymore. If you ask him 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.440 what he wants to eat, he's not going to respond. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.960 If you choose something for him to eat, like a 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.560 block of cheese, it's not going to be swallowed like 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.719 that's death. And since there was perhaps a lot more 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:38.400 religiousness associated with death and dying than there is today, um, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.120 that kind of underscored the belief and death. It's the 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.960 soul departing from the body, and what what more do 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.080 you want to know, egghead, it's death. Well yeah, and uh, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.880 way back, you know, a few d years ago, you'd 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.760 call it a priest and they they checked the body, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.359 see if it's breathing, and say, yep, they're dead, and 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.400 that was pretty much it. The doctor wasn't even involved 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.440 at that point. There may not have even been such 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.160 a thing as doctors, and if there were, they were 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.320 wearing like masks that made them look like crows to 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.440 protect them from the plague. So they weren't any better 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.679 it's ascertaining death than a priest. Was true. When doctors 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.840 did come along and they invented things like the stethoscope, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.160 they could actually check and see if there was a heartbeat. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.200 Before that, there was bal force test, which I couldn't 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.800 find out a lot about this other than you stick 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.680 needles into the heart with little flags on it and 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.760 see if the flags move. I think that's pretty straightforward. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.720 Really yeah, I think that's about it. I mean, that's 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.520 the test by that, And there were other tests that 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.600 like a priest who may have come to say whether 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.720 you were dead or not, would use like placing a 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.520 feather above the mouth or around the mouth or knows 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.480 to see if he moves. Um, the old mirror mirror 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.840 trick that's still you know, useful, it is, but only 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.160 if the mouth is still moist. If it's a dried mouth, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.520 it's probably not gonna fog up a mirror. Well, if 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.880 it's not breathing, it's not gonna fall right exactly. Um. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.640 So I said that medical science has complicated it, and 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.120 that's exactly what's happened over the years, because as we 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:16.120 progressed with medicine, we discovered a lot of ways to 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.040 actually reverse death, like bring people back from the dead, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.000 whether it's something as easy as CPR or as complicated 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.800 as you know, machines to help you breathe and feed you. Right, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.600 And not only that, we've entered this really awkward period 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.880 um in human medical history where the machines that can 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.760 tell us whether someone is alive or not are more 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.560 advanced than our machines that can bring a person back 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:49.120 from death. Yeah, so we have ways to sustain the body, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.400 but not necessarily the the person, depending on your definition 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.440 of death, like the faintest trace of a brain wave 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.000 maybe right. Yeah, So we went from holding a feather 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.360 under somebody's mouth or who knows to see if they 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.480 were alive, to using the m r I s to 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.680 see whether there's electrical activity. And we're finding that all 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.000 of these old signs, these old outward signs of death 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.200 don't necessarily mean that the person is dead. And even 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.720 if the person is dead, we have technology, like you 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.000 were saying, to resuscitate them. The question is, if we 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.320 resuscitate them and they're still not talking, they still don't 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.800 tell you what they want to eat, are they alive? Well? Yeah, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.000 and we in this hasn't been that long you know, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.280 I mean in the fifty two thousand years or whatever 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.960 the people have been dying. It's only been the past 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.640 you know, sixty something that we've had to come up 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:48.720 with terms like persistent vegetative state and irreversible coma because 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.640 of those machines that can resuscitate or sustain a body. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:56.959 And that was when the French neurologists describe the coma 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:03.400 deposs which is a state beyond coma basically, uh, brain death, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:08.040 although that didn't come along until technically until nineteen when 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.480 Harvard Medical School did uh, basically defined it for the 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.520 first time. Yeah, and although they didn't even call it 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.240 brain death at the time, what they call it just 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.280 irreversible comma like you're not coming back. Brain death was 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.080 kind of tagged on later. Um. So yeah, so comma 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:30.000 to pass um, vegetive, persistent vegetative state, brain death. Um, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.600 all these things would indicate again that you're dead. The 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.920 problem is is we have these machines that can keep 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.800 your body warm, you can keep your chest rising and falling, 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.280 can keep your body going indefinitely. Um. But the thing 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:48.600 is there's something that's not there, and does that mean 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.600 you're dead. There's been a lot of talk about, um, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.000 exactly what constitutes death. Defining death is a very very 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.079 difficult thing to do, especially through the advancement of medical technology. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.000 It's kind of changed every time you come with the Okay, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.240 I got it, this is the definition of death. Medical 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.920 technology can provide some picture of a state of consciousness 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.679 or life that throws the wrench in the works, you know. Yeah, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:21.520 and it's um. Actually, after night it took one presidential 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:26.560 commission is when they finally in the United States wrote 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.960 a paper called Defining Death, Medical Legal and Ethical Issues 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.960 and the Determination of Death. That was the basis for 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.840 the Uniform Determination of Death Act, which basically rejected the 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.680 Harvard idea that of the higher brain, which is like, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:47.199 when your personality and your memories are gone the cortical brain, 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.960 that means you're dead. And they rejected that in favor 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.600 of the whole brain, which includes the brain stem, which 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.400 is what keeps you breathing and functioning. Um, They're rejected 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.520 in favor of that. So Harvard was like, right, UM, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.240 I I I don't know. I think I subscribed to 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.720 the higher brain death the definition of death. Um, the 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.920 brain stem. I'm yeah, that's pretty significant. Um, you can 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.520 be born with just a brain stem. We talked about 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.040 Mike the headless chicken before um he had his head 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.360 cut off, which included his brain, but his brain stem 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.000 was still there and he's a chicken, so it didn't 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.360 really matter. Um. But the that is a there's a 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.120 huge division between the two because there's a big difference 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:35.160 between breathing and being able to swallow for yourself and 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.960 making a conscious decision whether again what you want to 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.880 eat right there, or having memories or just reacting to 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:47.560 people aside from like you know, physical reaction. Right. Yes, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.800 and that's one of the one of the there's a 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.199 whole article on brain death. Maybe we'll do that one. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.640 I thought we did that now I think we did 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.559 it in the organ donation Procurement episode. We talked about 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.839 brain death and testing for and death like they shoot 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.640 ice cold water in your ear canal. Definitely remember covering 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.040 at some point. Yeah, I think it was in the 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.520 organ donation moment or maybe living wells. Obviously we might 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.280 have touched on it there. We did. We did wills, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.480 but we hit on living wills. But you know, you 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.520 mentioned organs. I don't think we said that. That was 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.200 a big kind of a quandary in the nineteen sixties. Um, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.640 in the late I'm sorry, mid nineteen fifties, and then 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.720 really in the nineteen sixties is when we went organ 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.079 transplant crazy. Um actually kind of not just the United States, 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.800 all over the world. Doctors said, hey, we can actually 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.480 give people a shot at life because we can now 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:42.960 transplant kidneys and lungs and hearts. The problem was, and 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.120 this is sort of one of the sad things that 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.440 Molly points out, is that the definition of death kind 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.040 of came about was hurried along, maybe because we needed 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.800 organs from these bodies that were still technically alive, which 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.640 is very ghoulish proposition. I mean, it makes sense from 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.080 a very utilitarian standpoint. It's like, this guy doesn't even 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.760 know he's laying there, and he's got a great kidney 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.920 that could go to his sister, who knows that she 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.160 needs a kidney. She's gonna die, and she's got kids 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:12.920 that she wants to hang out with, and like, can 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.120 put this kidney to good youth. So let's let's figure 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.600 this out. But um, as Molly says, like most developed 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.000 countries have signed on to the brain stem where it's 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:28.320 like you're brain can no longer keep you alive like 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.960 on your own. You can't swallow, you can't take a 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:35.560 breath for yourself, so you're dead. Um. The problem is 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:40.240 that's that's just that's different. That's a much much's much more. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.960 It's a narrower definition of death, I guess. And I 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.000 think that that probably rules out a lot of people 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:53.640 who might otherwise be used to harvest organs harvest I know. Um, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.240 all right, so let's talk about death itself. It's funny 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.880 that you well, it's not funny, but out of all 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.640 the different ways people can die, I thought it seems 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.160 simplified to break it down into three ways, but that's 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.000 really kind of the three ways. Yeah. I think we 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.520 talked about that in autopsies two right. Yeah, it can 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:14.200 be an accident obviously, Um, that's called the death. Yeah, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.120 the violent death, which is also an opsie. I guess, well, 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:23.360 not an it's tragic homicide or suicide. So check. Let's 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.560 talk about what it's like to die from different types 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:30.360 of death. You dug this up, yeah, because I've really 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.840 wanted to know, like, what is it like to drown 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.240 or to be burned alive? Yeah? And and people have 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.240 survived some of these things and come back to tell 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.160 the tale. That's obviously the only way we're going to 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.160 find this stuff out or from lucky people. Um, drowning, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.040 I've always heard drowning is a good way to go 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.520 because it's not so painful. Yeah, and that like the 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.600 brain supposedly releases endorphins at the end. Yeah, same with freezing, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:58.280 I've heard too. Maybe true. Um, although drowning victims have 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.600 reported uh, aside from the panic, a tearing and burning 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:07.080 sensation when your water starts filling with lungs and quickly, 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.160 hopefully really quickly after that is the feeling of calmness 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.680 that overcomes in tranquility. Yeah. Um, a heart attack. You've 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.640 got the squeezing chests, pain in your chest or your 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.680 left arm, Yeah, like a weight on your chest right. Um. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.560 What I didn't know is that because of the heart 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.760 not delivering oxygen to the brain any longer, you can 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.400 lose consciousness. Um, within like ten seconds. Um, I didn't 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.680 realize that. I think, like it was, there's a lot 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.640 more to it. Well, it depends. You know, everyone has 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.840 their own signature heart attack as well. Um, if you 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.880 bleed out, I imagine this is not one of the 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.640 best ways to go. Um, after about a liter and 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.240 a half of blood, you're gonna be thirsty and weak 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.680 and anxious. Anything over too, you're gonna be pretty confused 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.440 and dizzy and probably lose consciousness pretty soon. Now, and 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.400 all of that would be that would relate to how 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.199 fast you're losing blood, and it would probably be very 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.080 unpleasant depending on how you're losing blood. Like why because 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.760 you would imagine that if you're stabbed in the gut 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.400 or something like that. Yeah, you got the attendant pain 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.280 in addition to this dying from loss of blood or 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.040 like man reservoir dogs. Yeah, it's like one of the the 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.280 most hardcore ways to open a movie or not open. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.399 But they cut right to that scene after the diner scene, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:31.480 right after the walk Yeah. Um. Electrocution. Um, if you're 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.760 in your house and you get electrocuted, could stop your 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.760 heart right then and there. And uh, if you're in 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.960 an electric chair, you may have actually heated your brain 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.440 up to the point where you die or suffocated to death. Right. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:51.560 But the there's indications that being electrocuted with enough voltage 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:57.320 that instantly you lose consciousness. That's the idea probably with 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.359 the quote un quote humane, I'm sorry quote humane end quote. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:04.960 I'm gonna stop doing that. I'm going back to quote 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.520 unquote what if you fall from a height. If you 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.880 fall from a height, supposedly UM time slows, which is awful. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.760 It's like, well, you're gonna experience all of this. Yeah, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:23.920 that's uh yeah, the idea that you that you really 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.720 can take it all in, that's really awful. So they've 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.639 they did a study of UM jumpers from the Golden 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:36.640 Gate Bridge, which is seventy five what is that two 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:42.600 hundred thirty it's high enough, and they they found evidence 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:47.040 that a lot of them died from exploded lungs, exploded hearts, UM. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.320 Their organs were all cut up from their ribs, which 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.240 would indicate death was pretty much instantaneous. Yeah. We talked 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.440 about that on something too recently, I think, or maybe 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.000 I heard it someone else talking about it. It's pretty 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.840 that way to go. What the Golden Gate Bridge or 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.160 just just falling diving from a height. Yeah, I can't remember. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:06.720 I was talking to about jumping in the water. I 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.159 was like, what actually kills you when you jump in 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.320 the water from the eye, and that was like your 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.320 organs smash into each other and explode. Yeah, I guess 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.760 from any height. Yeah, but when you when you die 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.359 from that would be from organ explosion or whatever. Yeah, 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.840 or you know the brain obviously if you go head first. Yeah, 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.240 that's um, the long drop back in the day would 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.560 although they still you can get hung in certain states 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.560 if you choose really yeah, Washington state and now you 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.160 can huh. Um, you can choose that as your method. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.040 They'll build you the gallows and uh. The idea that 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.640 there is you want your neck to snap, otherwise he's 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.680 died slower and you know, suffocate. The problem is there's 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.800 a study of thirty or four prisoners that found four 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:55.360 fifths of them died partly from asphyxiation. Really, that's the 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.320 wrong way to hang somebody. If you if you don't 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.760 snap their or they don't lose consciousness immediately, Um, they 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:08.159 sit there and hang and die of asphyxiation. That's a 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.520 bad way to go. Uh. And speaking of bad, I 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.720 think being burned to death maybe one of the worst. 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.520 And then what we came up with on the I 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.480 think so because you feel it and you'd think like 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.479 your nerve endings, that's what I thought, like, oh, your 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.280 nerve endings are probably like stop responding quickly. But apparently 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:28.960 that's not the case. No, not only is that not 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.840 the case, Apparently you're fire further sensitizes your nerve endings, 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:38.159 so you feel even more pain. Yeah, but luckily most people, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.960 I think the vast majority of people who die in 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.760 fires actually die from smoke inhalation before they ever feel 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.639 pain from fire. Yeah, that are well, I don't know 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.280 about before they feel pain, but hopefully quick enough. Well, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.199 you know, cover monoxide thinks, so like, well, there's a 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.679 lot of smoke you are download to the ground and 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.520 that's of the carbon carbon monoxide is so you're entailing 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.159 mostly that, so it's possible it's before, it's true. And 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.280 then the natural death, which is uh, passing of old 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.320 age or disease. And here in this country we have 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.800 kind of whipped up a lot of the disease over 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:20.320 the years into into they sniff them off. The case, right, Well, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.440 it depends like some of the ones that like kill 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:27.320 undeveloped countries, like diarrheal disease, like dying from diarrhea. Um, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.919 you don't have that much in the US, but we 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:36.760 have chronic disease like obesity, and diabetes and UM cardiopulmonary disease. Um, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.639 we have that downpat. I've got the top five here. Actually, 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.120 I think they're all in there, aren't they. Um, heart 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.240 is number one, cancer is number two. UM, lower respiratory 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:50.600 is number three. Strokers for an accidents are five. And 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.359 it's a huge drop. Cancer and heart are close to 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.760 six hundred thousand, and then number three at lower respiratories 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.760 only a hundred and thirty eight thousand. So that shows 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.879 you what cancer and heart disease are doing in the 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.040 United States at least. And the upshot of all this 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:09.480 is that most of us are not going to die suddenly. Um, 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.760 either by accident or by violent death. Yeah. Dying of 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.040 old age didn't used to be a thing. No, it 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:16.639 was like like a lot of ways to die, but 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.800 that was one of them. You ticked off some traveling night, 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:26.160 or there's a dispute over grazing rights. Ye. Plague, Yeah, 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:29.520 you walked into a bear cave. Yeah. The plagues another 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.800 but um, yeah, old ages. It's kind of a new thing, 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:37.960 but it's one of the most um prevalent forms of 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:43.240 death in developed countries. It actually has its own name, frailty, Yeah, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.360 which is great. It's sad, but it's great that now 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.680 we can live out our lives and and we're about 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:50.960 to talk about it. But sometimes the body, just like 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.240 any other machine, just stops. It's not designed to keep 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:59.320 going indefinitely, and ultimately the system shuts down as its 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:04.239 subsystem shut down. This shutting down every second right right now, 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:09.320 are shutting down. And for that reason, because you and 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.080 I are both dying. I guess once you're born, you 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.440 start dying, or after you stop growing, you start dying, 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.760 right Is that just the positive outlooker, But I mean, 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:23.320 like you're shedding cells and like this is like the dying. 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.320 We're in the midst of the dying process. Just this 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.119 natural system is in the winding down, although it takes 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.280 decades and we still have plenty to do. Like you said, 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:35.760 you're dying, I'm dying. That's why they have a more 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:40.240 specific definition of death, which is um called active dying. 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:45.720 Like you and I are not actively dying right now. No, no, uh. Instead, 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.320 if we are actively dying, we're in the midst of 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:53.440 the dying process. It has started. The dying processes started. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:57.720