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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know Frondhouse storks dot com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, he and Jerry's over there. Jerry, for the

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Speaker 1: first time, I just saw a meme that's been out

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Yeah, that's that happened. That's

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Speaker 1: like when you rolled me like two years after it

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Speaker 1: was popular. You're like, isn't it the best? I was

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Speaker 1: lying in Wait, yeah, I thought that happened. So and

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Speaker 1: there's nothing more obnoxious than sending someone something and be

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Speaker 1: like fill it two years ago. I'm so so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I tried to show you something funny, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Jerry just saw the do we even say

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Speaker 1: the mumble mouth reporter? Maybe? Yeah, the lady who supposedly

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Speaker 1: had a migraine but appeared to have had a stroke

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Speaker 1: reporting from the Grammys in Los Angeles a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah. I still don't know whether it's okay

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Speaker 1: to laugh at that, because I don't know really what

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Speaker 1: happened to her. Well, we didn't laugh. We very solemnly

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Speaker 1: showed Jerry. Yeah, and she laughed terrible. Jerry. Um, I've

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Speaker 1: got one for you. I've got a bit of an intro.

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Speaker 1: It's not much, so get your hopes up. Um. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever heard of the Population Reference Bureau? No, you have,

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Speaker 1: because I've mentioned it before. I've mentioned this this article before.

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Speaker 1: It's on PRB dot org. It's called how Many People

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Speaker 1: Have Ever Lived on Earth? And I don't know what

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Speaker 1: we've mentioned and it maybe the Population Episode or something.

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Speaker 1: But it's a really cool little article by this demographer

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Speaker 1: named Carl hobb h au b and he Um. There's

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Speaker 1: even a video of him explaining it if you couldn't

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Speaker 1: get what he was going with. But hobb um he

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Speaker 1: reckons that modern humans, people who are virtually indistinguishable from

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Speaker 1: you or me, aside from the fact that they're not

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Speaker 1: wearing like any clothes really um showed up about fifty

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Speaker 1: two thousand years ago. So hobb puts the population of

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Speaker 1: humanity at two uh in fifty thousand BC. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: from that point to two thousand eleven, he extrapolates, does

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Speaker 1: the math, does this little demography thing, and hobb comes

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Speaker 1: up with the number that one hundred and seven billion,

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Speaker 1: six hundred and two million, seven hundred and seven thousand,

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Speaker 1: thousand BC and two thousand eleven. See, that's pretty neat,

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Speaker 1: it is. That's a lot of people. He says. That

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Speaker 1: means about six point five of that are alive right now,

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Speaker 1: or we're in two thousand eleven, right, so we're dying off.

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Speaker 1: That's the point. All one hundred and seven billion, six

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Speaker 1: hundred two million, seven hundred seven thousand, seven hundred ninety

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Speaker 1: one of those people had one thing in common, one

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Speaker 1: thing aside from being humans, no, not even not even yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have tax and in fifty BC they had

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Speaker 1: running from sabretooth tigers and death. It was death. That's

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Speaker 1: the one thing. All one hundred and seven billions, six

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Speaker 1: one of those people had in common. You know, when

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of your intro driving here today, I

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Speaker 1: thought that'd be funny if Josh was like, how long

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Speaker 1: people been dying Chuck, And you know what, this wasn't

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Speaker 1: that far off? Was like, he wouldn't do that. You're like,

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Speaker 1: every way too boring. That's a good number. I like that.

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Speaker 1: Hundred seven billion, six hundred two million, seven hundred one

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Speaker 1: thousand seven seven. Yeah. Yeah, and that includes you and me. Pal.

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Speaker 1: You know what that means. You're gonna die. I'm gonna die,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna die at least two or three times. We're

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Speaker 1: all gonna die. Yeah. This is our dying podcast, and

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Speaker 1: we have covered just about every aspect of dying. Can

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Speaker 1: you die from a broken heart? How rigor mortis works?

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Speaker 1: What's the worst way to die? Um? Is there a

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Speaker 1: covered everything from autopsies, peak oil, what can be done

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Speaker 1: with the dead body? Ninja's Yeah, well Ninja at least

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Speaker 1: you should know better than that. Yeah. We really have

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Speaker 1: danced around everything except just how dying works. And this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a sad podcast in many ways and

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Speaker 1: gruesome in some ways. Yeah, because we're gonna touch on

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff we hit on in like rigor

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Speaker 1: mortis and autopsies and the actual dying process. Right, But

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Speaker 1: I mean, so brace yourself. And I've mentioned this guy

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Speaker 1: Charles Man. You're thinking of the great psychologist Ernest Becker,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, shout out to our pal Joe Randazzo, who's

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Speaker 1: like in the Becker Now, Ernest, there's Ernest, Ernest, you're

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Speaker 1: Denial of Death, seminal work that basically says, we're all

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Speaker 1: just doing everything we came to think about our own demise,

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Speaker 1: So Molly Edmonds Um, who used to be on Sminty

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Speaker 1: I usually don't like it when articles say, like the

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Speaker 1: thirty times that long in the encyclopedia, right, And that's

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Speaker 1: just sort of indicative of how we used to think

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Speaker 1: that's death. And since there was perhaps a lot more

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Speaker 1: it's becoming very clear, UM in our modern age that

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Speaker 1: death is not an instant, it's not a moment, there's

424
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: a process. Yeah, well unless it isn't an instant, but yeah,

425
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: old age dying, yes, or like other kinds of dying.

426
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: But how about non accidental dying. We'll call it that

427
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: because that's like the instantaneous thing, and even sometimes in

428
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: a very short scale that can follow some of these

429
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, Oh yeah, I forgot it all to you, yes,

430
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: nodding my head. So the preactive phase of dying, Chuck,

431
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: what do we got? Well, Um, you're gonna start sleep,

432
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna get sleepy, You're not gonna have much energy,

433
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna start sleeping more and more. Uh, your skin

434
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: might become cooler to the touch, might turn a little

435
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: bluish gray. Yeah, cyanosis, So that's called it's just becoming

436
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: oxygen deprived. Like apparently your body's like, okay, don't really

437
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: need to use the legs anymore because we're bedridden, So

438
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start focusing more of the circulation on the

439
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: inner organs. Yeah. Well that probably causes the modeling too,

440
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: which is, uh, your your skin can become sort of reddish,

441
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: like splotchy with reddish blue splotches as well. Right, you're gonna, um,

442
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a little restless. Probably, you're gonna possibly

443
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: come off as confused. Um, You're you're not gonna be hungry. No,

444
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably withdraw from UM social activities. You're gonna

445
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: become a little a little withdrawn. UM. You might wanna

446
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: settle unfinished business with family. You might request family come

447
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: visit you for that kind of thing, the non physical parts.

448
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: That's definitely something you'd be interested in doing. Right, But

449
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: that's like, UM, apparently something that that people intuitively know

450
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: like they need it. Apparently patients know when they're dying.

451
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen. And one of the one of

452
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: the signs from UM that's mentioned in hospice care palliative

453
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: care UM is that the patient may even state I'm

454
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: dying like I started, it's coming. That's pretty common um. Yeah,

455
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: and that's sad that when you realize like, all right,

456
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: this is this is it, Like I feel myself, I'm

457
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be gone soon. But that's neat though, especially if

458
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: you yeah, if you're like, okay, I'm gonna put everything

459
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: in order then die happy or peacefully. Yeah, that's neat

460
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: that you have that that time to to take care

461
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, if you're fortunate enough to go that

462
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: way for sure. Back to physically, Um, you you won't

463
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: be able to heal from a wound er and infection

464
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: any longer. Yeah, you might um lose control of your

465
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: bladder and your bowels with the course of some time. Um,

466
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: you might be in pain, but chances are here in

467
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: the modern world they're gonna take care of you in

468
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: that respect. Right and again that's called palliative care, where

469
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: at some point it's very obvious that you're going to die. Um,

470
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of it can be based on what

471
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: you want, even even um without your wishes, there's probably

472
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: a point in time where medical science says, there's nothing

473
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: we can do for you. Um, we just want to

474
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: make you comfortable, exactly, so we're gonna give you pain meds.

475
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna like your your care is being transferred over

476
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: from a physician to who's you know, wants to save

477
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: your life and keep you going to hospice workers, health

478
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: care professionals who are trained to just keep you as

479
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: comfortable as possible for the for the duration of your life.

480
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: Right man, hats off to those people, like all health

481
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: care professionals of course, but man, hospice nurses, that's tough stuff.

482
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: You've gotta be like, you've got to be made of

483
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: of the right qualities as a human to be able

484
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: to tackle something like that and still get up and

485
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: go to work every day. Like they're literally in the

486
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: business of dying. I mean, very valuable, valuable service people provide.

487
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: So that's the um, that's the preactive phase. That's the

488
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to die. I got a couple of

489
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: weeks and all of my systems are starting to wind down.

490
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: In the active phase, the systems are starting to shut down. Um,

491
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: you may not have consciousness, and if you do, you

492
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: may Uh. If you are able to be aroused from

493
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: conscious from unconsciousness, you're gonna slip right back into it again. Possibly, Um,

494
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: you are probably and apparently families find this very disconcerting.

495
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: You're probably going to talk about people who are dead

496
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: as if they're in the room or you can see

497
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: them or hear them. Yeah, it's just just the mind slipping.

498
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: They don't know. Um. Hospice workers, from what I can tell,

499
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: tend to just treat it like it's real, treated on

500
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: its own terms. They're not saying it's real or it's

501
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: a hallucination or something like that. And they advise families

502
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: not to treat it like a hallucination. It just to

503
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: not to correct them. Yeah, that makes sense, because you're

504
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: there to provide comfort, not say no, Grandpa, grandma has

505
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: been gone for years. Why would you want to do that.

506
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: There is an exception to that. You would want to

507
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: do that. If they're fearful from their visions, then you

508
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: can say that's it's not real. It's just you your

509
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: brain that's not real or whatever. Again, all about comfort, yes,

510
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: but you don't want to contradict them if they're happy

511
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: or even saying it in a neutral tone. It's only

512
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: if they're they're fearful that you want to say that.

513
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: But apparently families are kind of like, oh god, crazy,

514
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: you know. But it's a it's a natural part of

515
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: the active dying process. Breathing is gonna become really weird. Um,

516
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: the patient's gonna stop breathing for disconcertingly long periods of time. Yeah,

517
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: that's called Cheney strokes respiration stokes sorry, Cheney Stokes name

518
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: for John Cheney and William Stokes. Obviously, the first dudes

519
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: who described it, Let's get all the press quick deep breaths,

520
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: sometimes very slow ones like you said, sometimes stopping altogether. Uh.

521
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: And that is caused by receptors in the heart and

522
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: brain stem basically being too sluggish to respond two different

523
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: amounts of oxygen and CEO two and it's just kind

524
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: of lagging behind. Again, think of it as a machine

525
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: that's just slowing down and those receptors can't pick up

526
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: on it in times, So it's it doesn't know how

527
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: to tell you to breathe basically like at a steady rate. Um,

528
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: we should say that there isn't evidence that that is

529
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: physically painful again, like awful for the healthy person in

530
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, yeah, for the family watching it, you

531
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: think that the person is suffering, there's not evidence that

532
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: they are in fact suffering. Yeah, but it seems like it.

533
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: And that from what I understand with palliative care, UM,

534
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: not only making the patient comfortable is one of the priorities.

535
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Making the family comfortable as a priority as well, because

536
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: how you die has a very lasting impact on the

537
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: people who are there to witness your death. For family,

538
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: so um, explaining that they're not suffering, Uh, is helpful,

539
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: but not necessarily enough. Yeah, and I think actually this

540
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: podcast itself could help like some people, because I don't

541
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: think a lot of people do this sort of research

542
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: when they go into a hospital room in the last

543
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: hours of a loved one's life. Yeah, and they may

544
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: not be told. They may even if it is explained

545
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: to it, it it might not sink in what they're being

546
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: told because you know, seeing somebody gasping for breath and

547
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: then being told that they're not really suffering, those two

548
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: things might not jibe. Well, yeah, You're you're instinct is

549
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: probably trying to get help, like they can't breathe clearly,

550
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: let's get a nurse in here, and the nurses like, no,

551
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: that's that's that's part of it. Yeah. Another one that's

552
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: very just concidering. Another sign of active dying is the

553
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: death rattle. And ye I did a I guess it.

554
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Don't be dumb on death rattles. And basically, either you

555
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: have fluid in the lungs or like you know, when

556
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: you clear your throat like I just did, that's a

557
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: normal ability you have until you start dying. You can't

558
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: clear your throat anymore. Those are your laryngeal muscles, right,

559
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: basically spasming, what clearing your throat? No, the death rattle. No,

560
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: the death rattle is just breathing through the mire. It's

561
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: both it's it's either liquid or it's the muscle spasms. Yeah, okay,

562
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: so did you find that that's painful? Because I found

563
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: that it's it doesn't cause pain, it's just it sounds

564
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: terrible again to the people in the room exactly. And

565
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: this is uh, I don't think we pointed out this

566
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: is the agonal phase of death and it's Greek for struggle,

567
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's sort of just encapsulates it. I think

568
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: that's probably why they call it the active phase of

569
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: death now rather than agonol. Oh do they don't even

570
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: call it that anymore? I mean I think some people do,

571
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: but I think the active and agonol are the same

572
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: one and the same. It's just you know, they're in

573
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: the agony faith, right, or they're in the active faith. Uh.

574
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: Your muscles, aside from your vocal cords, UM might start

575
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: convulsive and spasm ng. Um. You can get all you know,

576
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: herky jerky and do things that wouldn't seem like you

577
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: should be able to do in your state, like um

578
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: card tricks. I don't know if you could do cards

579
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: shuffling card tricks from one hand to the other, and

580
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Grandpa never could. Before I knew he gets something. We're

581
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: in here somehow. Um what else? Uh, well, let's see. Um,

582
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: your blood pressure is gonna drop, your jaw is gonna drop,

583
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you might end up in a really weird rigid position. Um,

584
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: and uh you're I think we said your extremities are

585
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: going to be cold to the touch. Yeah. Actually, the

586
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: the death rattle as a result of the spasming of

587
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: your laryngeal muscles that can also produce um, what was

588
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: described in what I read as a barking sound. Oh yeah, yeah,

589
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: and I've never I didn't search that out to see

590
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: if that was recorded anywhere. But I'm curious what that

591
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: sounds like. I've heard everything from gurgling like gurgle too.

592
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's marbles in your throat. Uh, barking.

593
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: That's a new one. But it makes I think everybody

594
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: has their own signature death rattle, you know, but they

595
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: the rule of thumb, apparently among hospice workers, is once

596
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: the death rattle comes, it's a sign that they got

597
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: about forty eight hours or less left to live. Yeah,

598
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: and all of these are tells, really and all of them.

599
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about what happens after the body is

600
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: dead too, and that helps with finding out you know,

601
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: in forensics, I think we pointed out plenty of times

602
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: at the time of death, depending on the various things

603
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: that happen when they find you. But all all of

604
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: these are almost like like markers on a clock. Yeah,

605
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: and if you're in hospice care, you know these things

606
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: like oh this is this means this? Well, there there

607
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: are signs and symptoms of the system shut down that

608
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: the person's body is going through, you know. So, Um,

609
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: the senses apparently also are lost in a healthy person

610
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: or a person who has all five senses. Um, they're

611
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: lost in a certain order, and touch and hearing are

612
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: the last to go. And another another very important point

613
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: that hospice workers make is never ever talk about the

614
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: patient like they're not there, because they can hear you

615
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: up until the end. Like hearing is kept so long

616
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: as the person could hear before then there's not any

617
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: damage from you know, during the act of dying period. Um,

618
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: they can hear you until the moment they die, and

619
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: you need to be careful what you said. Yeah, And

620
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: I think that's a really nice thing that the last

621
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: things that you can experience are the touch of a

622
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: loved one or the voice of a loved one. Right,

623
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, you needs to see him. You may not

624
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: even be able to respond to that, but you can

625
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: still hear. That's true. I would definitely pick that over sight.

626
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: I'd rather hear someone's words as I pass rather than

627
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: having silence and just seeing their faces staring at me,

628
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: so long as the words aren't. Wait, one more thing,

629
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: I think it would be almost cruel to be able

630
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: to see and not here at the end. You know,

631
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: like he wants to see your family upset. You want

632
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: to hear feel them hold your hand and say everything's

633
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: gonna be right. So you So you you raise a

634
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: good issue like there's if you have a dying family member,

635
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: especially if they're dying a frailty or they're just dying,

636
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: like they're in the dying process, so they're about to

637
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: enter the dying process. Um, you could do worse things

638
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: than to go online and educate yourself on how to

639
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: be around them. I think people don't intuitively know how

640
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: to be around a dying person and there's certain things

641
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: that you should do, certain things you shouldn't do. Like,

642
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: for example, um, they say that you should talk to

643
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: the person, not the condition. So don't treat them like

644
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: they're frail or dying, Like, treat them like they're your

645
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: old friend. Who they are. Um, it's extremely important to

646
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: make sure that they're in a peaceful, calm environment. Um. So,

647
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: like maybe yelling at somebody over the will is a

648
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: really bad idea. They seem like no brainers, but I

649
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: guess some people need to be told this stuff. Yeah,

650
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: but I mean think about it, like it can put

651
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: you on edge being around a dying person, like do

652
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: you mention the fact that they're gonna die? Or do

653
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: you you know? I mean like do your dad's around it?

654
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: If they make a joke or something like can you

655
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: laugh or do you laugh too hard? Do you not

656
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: laugh enough? Like there's I think it's not necessarily like yeah,

657
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: I think it's it's just put you on edge or

658
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: not everyone is as sensitive to that. Don't bring a

659
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: laptop in there and watch reruns of the Office. No, yeah,

660
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: are you speaking from experience. I'm just gonna add that. Okay,

661
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: that's on my list. Get off your cell phone. Yeah,

662
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: pay attention to them. Sure, yeah, I mean that's what

663
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: you're there for. The as hospice workers put it, you're

664
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: giving them a very um heartfelt gift by being there

665
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: with them while they're dying and maybe receiving a gift,

666
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, and many religions and cultures, it's very uh

667
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: much an honor to be a part of this whole thing,

668
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: and even if you're not religious, that you could just

669
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: feel that way spiritually as a human, you know. Okay, uh, well,

670
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: let's pause here because Chuck, it's time for a message

671
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: break and we're back. Okay, So are we dead yet?

672
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: Are we at that point? Yeah? The the person has passed.

673
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: It just sounded very cheery. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, I

674
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: mean like we've rattled off some pretty what seems like suffering.

675
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: But now the suffering is over. If there was any

676
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: other person is dead. So once you, immediately immediately after

677
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: you die, your pupils are going to dilate because the

678
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: muscles controlling the iris or you know, gonna have their

679
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: final rest. So your pupils are going to dilate. And

680
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: then have you heard of the terminal tier or the

681
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: lacrima mortists? This is a usually in the right eye,

682
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: and there's no real explanation for it, but um, it

683
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: is a final tier that you shed. And um, it

684
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: doesn't always happen right after you die, although it can.

685
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: They did a study in the early nineties in New

686
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: Zealand and out of a hundred deaths, fourteen of them

687
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: right at the time of death had the lacryma mortists

688
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: here and uh thirteen of them in the final ten hours.

689
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: And they say uh to to look out for that

690
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: if you're the family, because it can be a sign.

691
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: And also they try to talk you into the fact

692
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: it it's a comforting thing to see that tier being shed. Wow. Yeah.

693
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: And since we're on eyes, you know the old thing

694
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: where you close someone's eyes after they die, Oh yeah,

695
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: or you put silver dollars on if it's it's the

696
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: old West. Um, I guess people do that too. So

697
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: you're not having someone a dead body staring at you, right,

698
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: because if they're looking dead forward, straight forward there like

699
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: following you all through out there. Yeah, and it's definitely

700
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: a movie trope. But if you don't close the eyes.

701
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: And I never knew this, um something called t A

702
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: c H E. Noir. I don't know if it's tash

703
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: or taste more. That is a black, a dark reddish

704
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: brown strip that forms horizontally over your eyeball. And I

705
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: guess it's just you know, your eyeballs dry out and

706
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: has the air. So if you don't close your eyes,

707
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: and I looked it up, you're gonna see this weird

708
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: horizontal stripe across your eye. But there's a plus the

709
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: effect that has in the living, the difference between seeing

710
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: a dead body with their eyes closed and a dead

711
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: body with their eyes open, and it's just it's like

712
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: a galaxy between the two as far as discomfort goes.

713
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: Somebody should edit together the like every time that's ever

714
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: been done in a movie, just like super Fast. All right,

715
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: So that's all I got on the eyes, Um said Chuck.

716
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: I want to alarm you right now. Boy. You have

717
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: living in your guts right now, the very organisms that

718
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: are going to decompose your body when you die. They're

719
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: just sitting around waiting waiting for action, waiting for the

720
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: signal yep Um, when you die, there's a lot of

721
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: stuff that's still alive, that's still going on, even though

722
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: your brain dead, whole brain, higher, brain, heart dead, your

723
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: heart stopped dead. That's another definition of death. I don't

724
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: know if we mentioned heart. Your heart's not beating anymore.

725
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: You're dead. Yes, Um, there's no bringing you back. You've

726
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: been in your heart hasn't or your brain hasn't had

727
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: oxygen for a while. You died of hype thermia. Uh,

728
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: and they warmed you up. So now you're officially dead.

729
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: You're gone, But there's still a lot of stuff. Remember

730
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: the poop Shake episode who Can Forget? We talked about

731
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: the microbio and we have this whole other like part

732
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: of our life are living organism that's still around, that's

733
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: still operating, and a lot of stuff living within us,

734
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: including part of our microbiome. They're still carrying on processes

735
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: like apparently you can harvest skin cells for twenty four

736
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: hours and and they're still alive. Just use them, Yeah,

737
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: for all sorts of stuff. Yeah, you can harvest them. Uh.

738
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: And then of course inside your intestines there's a little

739
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: tiny organisms that are still living and are gonna help

740
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: do the work that comes next, starting a couple of

741
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: days after death, like if you just fell over in

742
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: the woods and no one was around. I always loved

743
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: the setting right, Um, and you're just left there. Within

744
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: about three days, these organisms of micro flora is going

745
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: go to work on you, starting in your intestines. Yeah,

746
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: and this is after the various mortises. Correct, Yes, which

747
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: I guess we should kind of go over it. But

748
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: I would recommend everybody, um go listen to what causes

749
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: rigor mortis? For sure. It's on the website. You can

750
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: go to stuff you should know dot com, slash podcasts,

751
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: uh slash what hyphen causes hyphen rigor hyphen mortis. Um,

752
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: we'll just run through the mortis is real quick. Then, Um.

753
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: Algor mortis, or the death chill, that's the first first

754
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: thing that's gonna happen. That's where your body starts dropping

755
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: in temperature about a degree and a half fahrenheit per

756
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: hour until you are just like a nice red wine

757
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: at room temperature. Yeah, actually that's not quite true. Red

758
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: wines like sixty four degrees for you. I guess it

759
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: depends what kind of room you're in. Yeah, if you're

760
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: in a sixty four degree it's perfect, all right. What else? Well,

761
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: after algor mortis, um, you get rigor mortis a couple

762
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: of hours after death, where the body um, settles into

763
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: a stiff state. Uh, and that lasts for what like

764
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: twenty four hours? I don't remember, we talked about it.

765
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I think so. Um, and then between

766
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: those you have live remortis or subdulation. That's where like

767
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: all the blood coagulates them. Yeah, basically that your red

768
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: blood cells are pretty heavy and they just sink and um,

769
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: it's about twenty minutes to three hours after death is

770
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: when you're going to be in live remortis, and then

771
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: after that is riggor that's right. Okay, so not back

772
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: to putrification right, Well, that's the best thing can talk about. Yeah,

773
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: that's that's basically like you're these organisms go into work

774
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: breaking down your body and they do it pretty quick. Um.

775
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: The pancreas apparently has so many in there that it

776
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: just itself eats itself. The pancreas consumes itself. It's pretty efficient. Um,

777
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: your other organs are gonna eventually eventually be consumed in

778
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: turned into liquid. You're liquefied from the inside out. Yeah,

779
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna turn colors, uh in this order green than

780
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: purple than black, which is just like a like a

781
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: black eye, I guess. Yeah, in that the same stage. Yeah,

782
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: except it never fully heels explodes. Um you Uh, within

783
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, you're going to be liquid inside. Uh.

784
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: The organisms that are eating you produce a gas as

785
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: a byproduct from their consumption. So you're going to be bloated.

786
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: Your tongue is going to stick out. He's gonna turn

787
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: dark to your tongue. Yeah, and that gas really stinks.

788
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Your eyes are going to protrude. Yeah. Um. There's something

789
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: called purge fluid that is a putrid, reddish brown fluid

790
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: that can be expelled through just everywhere you've got an opening.

791
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: Can come out of your mouth, your nose, your vagina. Uh,

792
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: it can be mixed with feces and come out of

793
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: your rectum. Another. Um, there's something else I can come

794
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: out of your vagina too. Yeah. This is maybe the

795
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever heard. I just I had no idea. Yeah,

796
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: I had no idea. You know, I know all about

797
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: death and all that, and it's like interests me. I

798
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: had never heard of this before, and you want to

799
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: talk about you don't either. Maybe we should type it

800
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: into the computer and make the computer say it. Do

801
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: we have that ability? Oh? Wow, that's pretty good. That's

802
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: a good computer impression. So wait, that's what you do

803
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: when you don't want to say something yourself. You pretend

804
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: you're a computer. Yeah that, Emily and I most of

805
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: our fights are like that. Really. Yeah, it's pretty cute.

806
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: I go into a war games mode. What was it again, computer? Uh?

807
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: Coffin birth. So basically those gases that, um, this is

808
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: a real thing. We're not making this up. Yeah, but

809
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: post mortal fetal extrusion is another name for it. So

810
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: the gases that build up in the body before the

811
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: body ruptures um, which comes a little later, can become

812
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: so pressurized that a pregnant woman who has died with

813
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: the feet is still in utero can actually the gases

814
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: can push the fetus out of the vagina um, which

815
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: is birth. Yeah, and this doesn't happen much anymore, thankfully,

816
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: because we take care of dead bodies pretty quickly. Um.

817
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: Although they did find evidence of it in a case

818
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand eight where this woman was found like

819
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: in the woods, but um, it was described a lot

820
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: in like the eighteenth century medical literature. You know, it

821
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: just drove them crazy to she was obviously alive for

822
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: weeks afterward. Yeah, and archaeologists apparently too, or I have

823
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: to rethink sometimes when they find because sometimes you would

824
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: die during childbirth, but the um they have buried the

825
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: the baby with the mother, and so you would find

826
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: the bones like cradling each other almost. But then they

827
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: go back, they've had to go back and look at

828
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: somewhere they find the you know, between the legs, the

829
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: bones of the baby, and they think that might be

830
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: the case, like of a coffin birth. Right, So there's

831
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world. Yeah, Um, there's probably

832
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: death male band with that name. If there's not, there

833
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: is now. Um. So the gases ultimately, eventually once they start,

834
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: once they really get down to business and they're no

835
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: longer just what's it called where they're the fluids coming

836
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: out a little orifice is here, they're purge fluid. Okay.

837
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: So once it's like enough with the purge fluid, the

838
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: we're just gonna tear the sucker open. Your body ultimately ruptures. Yeah,

839
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: and this is you know, your skin has already blistered

840
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: at this point, Um, your hair, nails, and teeth have

841
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: fallen out. They don't keep growing. No, it's your skin

842
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: receding from drawing out, from desiccating. So pass that around

843
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: in school kids. When someone says that your fingernails keep

844
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: going after death, you set him straight, tell him Josh saying,

845
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: oh god, I just realized there's kids listening to this. Um.

846
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: And then the old d gloving which we talked about before,

847
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about that, remember that? Yeah? Where

848
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: the that can upen to you? If you drive at

849
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: ten and two and you have an air bag, the

850
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: gases that expand the air bag out of your steering

851
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: wheel are very hot. And if you're not driving at

852
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: nine and three and you have your hands at like

853
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: ten and two or something like, you're going to be

854
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: de gloved alive. Yeah, but your skin is just burned

855
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: right off your hands, or it's burned and separated and

856
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: then eventually comes off. So ten and two is not

857
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: how you should drive it on. Really, That's what I've learned. Yeah,

858
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: I drive it either just a straight up six o'clock

859
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: with one hand or a nooner, just just straight up

860
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: noon noon. I rarely have two hands on the wheel.

861
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: You don't drive with like your knees, with your hands

862
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: behind your head relaxing occasionally if I'm you know, relaxing. Yeah,

863
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: we're playing the guitar or something. Yeah, de gloving is

864
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: and then we talked about this in the probably rigor mortis.

865
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: But that's when your body farms maybe, yeah, that's when

866
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: basically your skin is removed, still attached to things like

867
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: fingernails and things like that, and it's they call it

868
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: the gloving for a reason. I don't think we need

869
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: to explain that it makes perfect sense. Or de socking sometimes,

870
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, can happen to your feet. And well I

871
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: hadn't heard of that one. Did you just make that up? Well,

872
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: they said gloves or socks if it's your feet. But

873
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I did make up the socking. Well I have to

874
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: use that from now on. That might be a new thing. Um.

875
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: So the body, once it once ruptures, your organs are

876
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: already liquid um, and all that's left is a skeleton

877
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: which will eventually turn to dust too. Can I be done? No, wait,

878
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: we can't be done, because we do need to talk

879
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: a little bit about assisted suicide. Yeah, I just eat

880
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: that up for you. You should. Um, that's quite a

881
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: controversial subject, like we said, Um, I don't know if

882
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: I said or not. Like this has just been such

883
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: a huge whirlwind of input of information in my head

884
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: the last like thirty six hours studying for this um

885
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: that I don't know what I've said yet or not,

886
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: or what we talked about in another podcast, but so

887
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: we talked about dying of frailty of old age and

888
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: that it's increasing. Supposedly five out of ten people in

889
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 1: the United States will die in the intensive care unit.

890
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: And I saw this Ted talk from Newcastle, Australia with

891
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: this guy I can't remember what his name is, but

892
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: it's it's about dying. I think it's called it can

893
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: we talk about dying or something, And his point was,

894
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: you're going to die in the I see you, whether

895
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: you want to or not, if you die of a

896
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: degenerative disease or frailty, unless you say you don't want

897
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: to die there, because the way medical science is currently

898
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: set up, you are going to be treated most of

899
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: the time up until a bitter end with life saving measures,

900
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: and you're going to die in the I see you

901
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: with tubes hooked up and things be being and like

902
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: other people having crash carts taken in and out of

903
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: their room and people making a big ruckus up until

904
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: the point you die unless they give you palliative care

905
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: or or you say, I don't want to be sustained

906
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: like that, I don't want to go to the i

907
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: c U. And this point was, if half of Americans

908
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: are gonna die in the i c U, you have

909
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: to assume that maybe not all of them would want

910
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: to die in the i c U. And therefore they

911
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: need to think of things like I wanted an advanced directive,

912
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: a living will, I want a living power of attorney

913
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: to somebody to say no, no, do not put them

914
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: on a ventilator, do not put them in feeding tubes.

915
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Like they don't want that. They just want to die,

916
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: or they want to go to hospitals. They want to

917
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: go back home. That's another big one, like they don't

918
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: let you go back home, especially if you can't speak

919
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: for yourself, like to medical science these days, that's crazy.

920
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: You don't leave the hospital when you know you're dying.

921
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: You stay in the hospital and and we keep doing

922
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: stuff until you die. That's not the way it drives

923
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. But if you don't stop

924
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: and think about it and then write it down or

925
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: tell somebody who can speak for you, that's you're not

926
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: going to go home. You're not going to get to hospice.

927
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: You have to do this ahead of time. And part

928
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: of that that's kind of come out of this idea

929
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: is Okay, well, if we have autonomy to say I

930
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: don't want you to intibate me, why don't we have

931
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: the autonomy to say, I want you to give me

932
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: some stuff that's going to painlessly end by life, because

933
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: it's either that or facing a tremendous amount of pain

934
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: and suffering through this degenerative disease. Basically saying I'm ready,

935
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I am ready, it is my life. It's like the

936
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: Richard dryf this movie from the eighties, Uh covertus, whose

937
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: life is anyway? I think I have no idea what

938
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Think it was a movie about assisted

939
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: suicide and do you should you have the right to

940
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: be able to You know, that's a hot button issue

941
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: for sure, but apparently most Americans or the jority of

942
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: Americans actually support it until you start using a word

943
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: like suicide. Right when you pull them and say do

944
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: you are you in favor of doctors helping someone painlessly

945
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: in their life or something at the end of life? Yeah,

946
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: And then they're like, okay, so you're a favorite physician

947
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: assistant suicide. Um, what's that word? You know? And and

948
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: the doctors who are in favor of euthanasia is another

949
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: term for it. Um, say, look at palliative care, it's

950
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: like half of a step away from physician assisted suicide.

951
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: Like you're keeping somebody if they requested and knockdown on

952
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: morphine for the rest of their life, so they're never

953
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: going to regain consciousness. Um. There's this you you dug

954
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: up this one article by a British physician who argues that, um,

955
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: that agonal um gasping reflex. Apparently when part of the

956
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: apnea is that your body has a reflex where you

957
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: gasp for air and it's really disconcerting to family members.

958
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: Even though they don't think that you're suffering, it looks

959
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: like you're suffering. And this doctor argued, well, we have

960
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: drugs that can block this response so that the person

961
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: can't gusp for air. And what it's going to cost

962
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: them their last couple of breaths. But these last couple

963
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: of breaths make it appear like they're suffering, and the

964
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: family remembers that their kids suffered. Um, so why wouldn't

965
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: we do that? And there's this conversation that's taking place

966
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: more and more and more that ultimately it's kind of like,

967
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: who is somebody to say that somebody can't choose to

968
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: end their own life painlessly through the use of like

969
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: drugs or like Hunter Thompson did. Well, I mean, that's

970
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: another way to go, and you anybody can do that, sure,

971
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: but there are some people out there who don't want

972
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: to die violently for their family. Like that's the part

973
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: that I was upset about with that was his wife,

974
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: like finding him and stuff, his wife and his son,

975
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: and it was just like, not only that he did

976
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: it in his own basement, which I can understand doing

977
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: it at home, but he left quite a mess in

978
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: his own basement for his family to clean up. But

979
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: if he had other options these days, like doctor assisted suicide,

980
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: he might not have had to make a mess in

981
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: his beast My first families and chuck, uh. We know

982
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: that Hunter Thompson is far from the only person to

983
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: make his own exit his own way. Another very famous person, uh,

984
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Sigmund Freud did too. Huh oh yeah, yeah, you know

985
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: that assisted suicide. Yeah, literally, physician assisted suicide. He was

986
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: um diagnosed with cancer of the palette because he smoked

987
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: tons of cigars, which were sometimes just a cigar and UH.

988
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: For sixteen years he lived with that diagnosis and finally,

989
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: towards the end, he asked his surgeon, his physician, go

990
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: ahead and hit me up with I think five grams

991
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: of morphine, like just a ton of morphine. And he

992
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: died three hours after the injection of it, but which

993
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: was more than his usual two grams of morphine right

994
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: or cocaine. He loved cocaine um, but he had um

995
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: developed what was called todden angst todin angst as German,

996
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: which is a dread of death. So and so we

997
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: lived with that for sixteen years. But he finally he

998
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: decided along the way like I fear this, but I'm

999
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: going to take it into my own hands. Physician assisted suicide.

1000
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,479
Speaker 1: And there's definitely more than one side to this coin.

1001
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people. There's very strong opinions on

1002
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: either side. But I think it's a at the very least,

1003
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: even if you remove a motion from it's an extremely

1004
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: interesting conversation and that it reveals so much about our

1005
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: attitudes towards death and autonomy and like who's who has

1006
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: the right to decide whether they're going to die or

1007
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: who has the right to tell somebody that they can't

1008
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: do that? Whose life is it anyway, Richard Dreyfus. Uh,

1009
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: and then chuck one. One other thing that we want

1010
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: to hit on is um regret. Yeah, I actually saw

1011
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: this a few weeks ago, just by chance, and then

1012
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: you sent it to me. Um. I think it was

1013
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: in England hospice nurse spent a lot of time researching

1014
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: life regrets over the course of a certain amount of

1015
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: time and came up with the five most common life regrets.

1016
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: And uh, I think this is like a good way

1017
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: to end it, you know. Number one, I wish I

1018
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: had the courage to live a life true to myself

1019
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: and not the life others expected of me. That was

1020
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: the number one regret. Number two was I wish I

1021
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: didn't work so hard. That doesn't surprise me at all.

1022
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Number three I wish I had the courage to express

1023
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: my feelings. Number four I wish I had stayed in

1024
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: touch with my friends. It's a very sad one. And

1025
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: I wish I'd let myself be happier. There's number five. Yeah,

1026
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: like that she was saying that they didn't realize towards

1027
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: until the end of their life. That happiness is a

1028
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: choice that you make. It's not something that happens to you.

1029
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: It's something you go search out. It's a state of

1030
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: mind that you strive for and to figure that out

1031
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: like at the end, that that's the regret. Yeah, So

1032
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: call to action people, Yeah, really, like you think about

1033
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: the stuff. You don't have to wish these things on

1034
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: your deathbed if you start doing something about it now

1035
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: exactly dying, Chuck, you know what we might have just done.

1036
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: We might have just finished the death of the death suite.

1037
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: I bet there's something else. Yeah, only time can tell.

1038
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know how much more aspects of death

1039
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: we can cover. And I'll tell you what. I'm gonna

1040
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: put all of them together in a blog post the

1041
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: Death Sweet, so everybody can go listen to all things

1042
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: death via stuff you should know. In the meantime, if

1043
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: you want to look up more about dying, just type

1044
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: dying into the search bar. How stuff works. I think

1045
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: it has its own channel. Um, there's so much to it. Uh.

1046
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: And since I said search bar, it's time for a

1047
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: listener mail. This is a nice one. Um. We don't

1048
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: normally do shout outs, but this was a nice one,

1049
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: and I thought, what better way to end such a

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Speaker 1: depressing show. Uh? Hey, guys and Jerry loved the podcast. Josh,

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Speaker 1: I have to thank you for teaching my fiance, Danny

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Speaker 1: and me about the flashlight trick to see spider ez. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I still haven't done it, man, I never think about

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Speaker 1: it at night. Jerry, you said you tried to write

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Speaker 1: new work. Yeah, okay, I need to do it. I

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Speaker 1: need to set a reminder. And my my response to

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Speaker 1: people who have been like, can you can you explain

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Speaker 1: it again? Practice? That's my explanation. Just practice, Just try

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Speaker 1: it from a different angle. Just practice. It's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not a trick. It is completely amazing. And this

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Speaker 1: is from Peacheat by the way. Uh, and it's wonderful

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Speaker 1: and frightening at the same time. But the problem now

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Speaker 1: is that whenever we walk our dogs at night, I

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Speaker 1: just can't have my normal fiance. I have this dude

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Speaker 1: with the flashlight stuck to his forehead, stopping at every

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Speaker 1: field to let me know just how many spiders are

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Speaker 1: dogs are stepping on and how we are always surrounded.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the show, and now for a shameless request.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't often give shout outs. But it

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Speaker 1: would be the most amazing thing ever if you could

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to Danny on the podcast The

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Speaker 1: Airs sometime before our wedding on oct let him know

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Speaker 1: that I love him more than anything, and then I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to share my life with him, even if he

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Speaker 1: does have a flashlight stuck to his forehead, with the

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Speaker 1: rest of our lives walking our dogs together. I know

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Speaker 1: this is totally blown away and I would even let

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Speaker 1: him listen to that podcast first. So thanks to Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys. That is from Peachy way in Thousand Oaks, California.

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Speaker 1: I think Peachi just expressed it very nicely. Yeah, so Danny, Peachy, congratulations, Uh,

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Speaker 1: best of luck, best witches from us. I told her

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Speaker 1: listen up for it on the Dying podcast and he

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Speaker 1: thought that was kind of funny, and it's like great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Danny, um, maybe put that flight once in a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: White h and Peachy don't use the word fiance so much. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a life lesson. I'm Chuck right there. I would

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