WEBVTT - When Worlds Collide w/ Jonna Mannion 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.880 Hello everyone. I'm a Nissa Ferrera and I am Davion 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.400 Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. We are 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.959 back with another episode from the World Championship. I can't 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.480 deal with it. I can't. The cliffhanger, I can't. The 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:17.440 cliffhangers are killing me. Y'all gonna have to give us 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.560 four episodes because girl what I know, right, I can't. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.720 I can watch the whole thing tonight. It's actually a 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:28.760 really good season so far. I really loved this episode. Yes, yes, honey. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.280 I am so excited to see Johnny come back and 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:37.880 to see how she is dominating in this episode. I'm 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.199 so so proud of her. It could be because you know, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:41.720 the whole Mama thing. I don't know, but I just 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.640 I love her as a person and I love her spirit. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.080 You know what I was thinking, I am really I 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:51.320 noticed as I was watching this episode, Casey is more active. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.480 I don't see Casey as active on the main show. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.440 I noticed in this episode she's more active, more talkative. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.240 And then I was like, you know what, but I 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.280 am excited to see how Casey plays this game without Josh, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.640 Nanny and Fansy around her. I am so excited to 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:11.000 see how she plays this game this season. I can't wait. Yeah, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:15.360 I think she's definitely This is definitely a different, different 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.840 Challenge chapter for her. And I think that she's coming 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.160 on after we had a really long season with the 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.840 mindset of like I'm gonna go have fun, right, and 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.400 I feel like I feel a lot already from her. Yeah, 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:32.240 but we shall see. Girl. It's some te bruin, okay, Kelly, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.320 and I feel it mine on an episode, I am anxious, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.640 paranoid Pam and it happens. It happens to a lot 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.160 of us, but we're like silently spiraling. She had out 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.520 loud spiral. I think I outlet spiral sometimes. Yeah, we 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:51.480 all have, we all have. Yes. So for this particular 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.160 season of the Challenge, we have a new segment of 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.600 which we're calling it King or Queen of the world 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.320 or someone who's on another planet. Right, so we'll start 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:09.400 with you. Who is your king or Queen of the 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.639 world for this episode? I mean, my queen is john A. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:14.720 And not because she's coming on, and not because I 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.400 love her, but I feel like she handled that puzzle 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:23.320 in two seconds. Yeah, she did good, and that was 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.320 one of the most difficult ones because they were the 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:31.720 last ones to get there. Yes, moving her reputation to 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.800 be true. Right, Kudos to Mom and Pops, to Grant 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.680 for following directions and trusting that john A had it. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.320 He was like, I'm just gonna let it go, and 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.920 he did and she killed it. However, there are two people. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:50.720 There are three people on this other planet. Sorry, I 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.160 think Cahoui and Nelson are on their own planet during 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.520 this episode when they are trying to figure out this puzzle. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:02.600 Poor babies, but they were just so confused. They were 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.560 just they were just helpless, like just stuck in the material. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.800 I know, I know, I know, Well we don't. We 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.560 don't know what's going to happen. You know, we'll see 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:18.400 on the next episode or the next depending depending We 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.760 may never get to this elimination in three episodes. Just 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.919 gonna have morehouse drama, right, talking about who they want 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.600 to vote in. But you know what, that's what the 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.800 people have been asking for. They're like, we want to 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.760 see more of the drama, so all the stuff that's 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.120 we want to see, difficult challenges that challenge people. Yeah, 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.640 and we also want to see what goes on in 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.520 people's heads. And conversations that they have that make them 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.120 do the things they do. Yes, yeah, because I think 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.560 we're missing out on the meat and potatoes, right we 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.000 go challenging all of a sudden, I'll talk of shit 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.800 and a confessional. But that's fine, or not just me, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.960 just anyone. We want to know how we got from 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.080 A to I don't know how we go to A 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.240 to Z. I need to know A to B B 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.280 two C C T T. That's what I mean there. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.720 I need a linear projection. Listeners, I hope you are 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.200 catching on. This has become a podcast that is very 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.560 therapeutic for Anissa, and I'm glad to be a part 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:18.120 of that. Thank you very much. So my king or 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.760 queen for this episode is John of course, one hundred percent. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.119 Like I could sit up and rant and rave about 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.040 her all day. I just thought that again she proved 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.160 her reputation to be true, and I thought that was 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:34.720 super cool to watch. And then on another planet, I'm 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.200 gonna give it to Kelly. I am wait. I just 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.000 see this planet in the distance here sitting on it 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.600 say that, and it's just chant just a little She's 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:49.000 just sitting there like well, and like I like her. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.320 I like her, but it's like something this episode just 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.440 really wasn't click. And then again, maybe there's something we 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.600 didn't see. We don't know, but I do think there 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.600 is something that is to be said. Baby girl, you 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.080 need to come on, come on back, and and and 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.159 and if she ends up in this elimination and she 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.960 comes back out on top, then baby, something different raise hell. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.760 I feel because I've seen both sides of Kelly Ham. Yeah, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.440 and then we became friends. Yeah. Oh, then we became 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.400 friends after that, so I know what it looks like 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.479 from both ends. And it's not always fun, like the 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.400 wrath of some people are just not fun because like 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.679 like Johnny's you know, we all we've played with her before. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.159 She doesn't mince words. You know, she's gonna tell you 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.400 how she feels. Yeah, well, let's hope john Nay tells 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.200 us how she feels because we have such a fun 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:41.320 episode for you guys today. The number one draft pick 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.719 Johnny is on the podcast today, So don't go anywhere 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.840 because we'll be right back with all the team after this. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.719 I'm so excited about this episode because one of my 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.000 favorites is here today. And let me just start by 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.520 saying she is the bomb, and she holds it down 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.000 for the mamas, and y'all know that's near and dear 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.640 to my heart because everything I do is for my baby. Okay, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:29.680 so give it up with us for Johane, I'm so 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.000 happy to here, man. I just want people to start 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.839 pronouncing your name right. It's never been no. You were fine. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.599 I immediately immediately like did I say it? No? On 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:47.200 this actual episode, Danny was like, and Jana or Jonah 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.760 or I've seen people call you Joanne. Yes, yes, people, 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:59.160 there's no a before those ends. Maybe Johan, you are 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.640 here with us on the podcast. So I just want 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:10.040 to jump right into this episode because girl, so I 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:16.240 we're salty. Everybody could hide the fact that they were 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:22.440 like damn, I'm like, yeah, there's little yeah, yeah. Actually, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.120 I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody was more 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.360 surprised than I was that I was first round draft pick. Um. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.320 My face showed it all. Um. Honestly, I knew. We 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.080 didn't know, like TJ told us, like, you know, do 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.400 well in this qualifier, but we didn't know for sure. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.840 We kind of made assumptions like, hey, this would be 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.880 the order we're choosing, but we didn't really know. Um, 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.600 I knew Grant had gotten first, and um, let me 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.320 just tell you every conversation that I had with Grant 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.600 leading up to this point was about Tori, about him 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.960 choosing Tory as a partner, you know, And so I 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.080 was just like, yeah, she's a badass, like she just 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.480 wants us thirty eight like, you know. It was more 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.720 informational about other people. It was never like, yeah, why 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.320 would you be a good partner for me? So when 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.360 it actually came down to it, I think, like in 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.680 you know, the arena when we were there, He's like, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.720 I think we might be a good partners. I was like, 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.880 I think I think we would be too. But I 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.080 didn't think that he was going to choose me, you know. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.600 So yeah, I was as sure that everyone else was. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.840 If the roles were reversed, who would you have chosen? 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.680 After watching the qualifier, right, Um, coming into this, like 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.280 we hadn't seen anybody performing. So the only show that 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.800 I had seen, obviously, besides the Flagship in All Stars 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.400 was The Challenge USA. So going into this, I mean 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.200 I had talked to Sarah and I was like, hey, listen, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.160 I think I would be a good fit for Usa. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:45.920 I think I would work well with Danny. I think 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.120 I would work well with then. I don't know, if 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.080 you want to put in a good word, but like, honestly, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:52.960 they were the only people whose names I knew going 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.520 into the qualifier, so I thought, you know, after talking 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.160 to Ben, I thought, you know, for sure i'd be 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.600 paired with him, and anything is is. Danny and I 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.120 had this little joke now and he always every time 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.480 we like cross each other in the hallway or something, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.760 he'd be like the partner that got away. I was 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.240 under full impression that like either Ben or Danny was 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.720 going to choose me. Didn't even you know, question it. Otherwise, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:23.200 did anyone express like their level of anger or disappointment 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.480 for partners that they could have had or should have 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.640 had or wanted to have and now they don't like 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.280 were people? No? I do. I do remember though, like um, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.560 Sarah giving Danny like a lot of SHITU and being like, well, Danny, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.120 if you would have just you know, won the qualifier. Um. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.680 But I think that grants not telling anybody who who 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.640 he was going to choose, and then it kind of 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.960 caused this like domino effect of people getting different partners 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.240 than people they had originally talked to. I love that. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.480 I love a good surprise mission. Everyone went into it 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.800 thinking that he was gonna pick Tor. That's that's what 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.959 I thought. I don't know what everyone else thought. So, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.400 you know, we move into the house after the qualifier, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.480 we have a couple of days to like you know, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.319 get to know one each one another, and before we 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.360 get to the next thing, like you know, in the show, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.160 it shows us going directly there. So I think everybody 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.160 kind of had an idea of, like, you know, who 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.320 they want to work with, you know what they're gonna do, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.200 and you know, Grant just comes out with us, Okay, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.960 I'm gonna choose this person um which shape the tables. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.199 To be honest with you, West West took credit for it. Somehow. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.120 It's very you know, West thing to do. He was like, well, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:39.280 you know, you know, funny, I talked to Grants and 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.480 I you know, I asked him what his weakness's word. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.320 He said puzzles, and I was like, well, you know, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.840 my girl, Johnny is really good for puzzles. And job 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:54.600 you did on your own sissy your so I My 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.560 other question was, I know you got to actually see 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.760 the expression on the faces of the last pick. Yeah, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:09.080 did they express their um, did they express any hot 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.199 think about Kelly? Ylliam was pissed she was hot? Yeah, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.440 Kelly Kelly didn't probably, I mean, no one would like 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.120 to be picked class. Honestly, it was like dodgeball and 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.640 it's like you get if you get, you're standing there 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.120 and everyone else is getting picked like yeah, um, yeah, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.480 she didn't want to be picked. Like. I hate it 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.240 because I feel like you're just getting sized up and 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.520 you just wait down there to see. Like. I hate 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.719 how it makes you feel like people are just I'm 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.199 judging you. I mean, even though they are very much 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.199 basically picking you based on what they think you're capable of. Yeah, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.319 and I feel like the last pick is like, well, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.520 we'll just work with this. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.000 what happened to Tristan during that qualifier. He couldn't. I 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.280 didn't see it, but I couldn't figure out the weight thing, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.760 So poor guy. Okay, let me ask you this question. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.680 Here goes some tea. Give it to our listeners because 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.840 you know we likes to get a little a little 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:05.000 look ish over here, right. Were there any preseason alliances 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:09.480 going into there? Preseason Alliances. Well, you know what, the 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.520 Challenge World Championship was very different because listen, so I 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.360 had just come from, like say, All Stars, so I 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.440 have obviously those relationships that I've kind of come into 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.840 this game with. Yeah, they just wrapped filming season thirty eight, 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.960 which I'll get back to that. But you know, coming 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.240 back home and watching season thirty eight and seeing how 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.120 that game was set up, it made me understand why 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.400 everybody played, you know, in the World Championship with that 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.280 like mob mentality. Yeah. I didn't get it when I 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.520 was there, but after watching thirty eight, I was like, oh, no, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.920 wonder they all like played that way. Yeah, and then 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.920 you know, we have people coming in, you know, this 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.319 is their second show. We have people from Survivor and 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.760 different shows from Big Brother, and it was very interesting 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.040 to see how everyone plays differently plays the game. Oh, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.079 I forgot you at first. All Stars. So we've been 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.079 doing shows of people from all the other shows Davon included. Yeah, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.520 um so yeah, they do. They do play really differently. Yes, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.719 Oh my gosh, I can't even explain it to you. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.320 There was there was one point that I was like 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.000 in the house right and I saw Grants right, And 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.680 I saw like Sarah and Danny and just different people downstairs. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.320 Everybody was talking to Grant, and I noticed how the 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:29.640 survivors were feeding him these things, right, and Grant is 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.520 just like he's like, I don't care. I'll go into elimination. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.559 I don't I don't give a funk who I go against. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.400 And I was just like, WHOA, let me do some 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.559 damnage control here, like this week hopefully admit like, hey, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.959 we don't care who we go against. We want to 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.320 think out the best. That's not that's not how you 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.640 know the legends play it. I'm like, we need to 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.400 reel it in a little bit. Yeah, So Bibar and 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.640 big Brother is very mental, and so when we when 0:13:54.640 --> 0:14:00.160 we come into the challenge, it was like, y'all that's 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.199 what you guys rely on. There's no there's no this 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.360 chance of like you know, the daily challenge thrown in 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.240 this game or notions you fully rely on. Yes, And 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.120 it was my first opportunity, in my first chance to 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.720 witness it firsthand and see, I'm damn you guys are good. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.200 Were scary, but it is scary, Like I love to 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.080 make it work. So now we have the pairings right, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.960 because these great pairings and there's some heavy hitters. Like 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.960 when they say world Championship situation, it for real is 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:35.960 a situation. Okay. And so to you, were there any 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.520 teams that you were like, oh, I might be a 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.680 little yeah, give me the top three that you may 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.480 have been like, um, Tory and Danny getting paired together. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.400 My immediate thought was, okay, I don't want to see 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:55.480 them in hall roll. However, you know, absolutely strong team 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.800 right there. I didn't know anything about Kazz necessarily. I 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.640 knew that she had won uk UM, but I knew Jordan, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.920 you know, it was a very strong competitor as well. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.160 And you know, I was, to be honest with you, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.040 I'm sitting around looking at all the teams and I'm like, damn, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.800 this is like. This isn't like a hey, here's a 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.160 layout team, Hey there's this. It's every single team either 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.160 has an Olympian, an ex professional athlete, a champion, like 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.880 all of it. I personally, when I saw the pairings, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:29.600 my eyes immediately went to Sarah and THEO bro Like 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.680 that's scary. I think I think the only thing that's 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.280 probably scarier than that would have been THEO and Tory 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:38.680 that would have been the only thing that would have 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.160 been scarier than that. I was like, this is going 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:46.880 to be physically, but I don't know about um communication wise, 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.200 I don't know yet. Oh yeah, yeah that's all. Here's 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.000 the thing, because I feel like when you get these 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.040 people together, they may be strong, however, coming from different games, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.120 coming from their experience on the show. Maybe one's one one, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.920 maybe one hasn't. You go on with a totally different 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.680 mindset on how you're going to play that game, especially 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.920 when you have nothing to lose, like you don't have 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.560 to win again because you've already won, when you still 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:18.160 want to get to win bitter, Um, it doesn't. This 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:19.800 was my very first time doing a challenge with you, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.840 and I will first off of that say he is 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.680 the most hilarious person I've ever met. Like when you 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.400 want comedy, when you want that, like you know, comedic 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.040 relief of like not being in a challenge game, Like 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:35.080 he is so fucking funny. I love him. But um, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.760 they were a very interesting pair seeing Sarah and THEO together. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:44.640 They're both very opinionated, they're most and very different alliances. Like, yeah, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.960 I will say that about the way that the pairing 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.920 shook up um the Challenge USA team. All the pairs 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.440 in that team specifically, it was very interesting to watch 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:02.200 because not only were they strong, but every pair had 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.840 it's you know, one partner was on one side and 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.560 one partner was on the other side. So I mean, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.520 I haven't been to nomination yet, but there's a very 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.760 good chance that you know, it's gonna get real heated 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:21.080 between USA because whoa. I thought the dynamic of the 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.879 baby steps between Johnny and Justine was really really good. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.160 I'm excited to see how that progresses. But I thought 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.600 that was really good to see them in the beginning 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.840 to see how that played out. So I want to 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.840 get right into it because Kelly Anne is your girl, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.360 like outside of the game, that's that's your girl. Before 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.520 we even get into it, because in this episode we 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.879 don't get to see what happens in the ending, but 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.440 just to kind of give us a little hint, where 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.000 do you and Kelly Anne stand today? Okay, so this 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.400 isn't this is what I think. It's very interesting about that. Sorry, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.560 but I'm stressed out for you in this episode. I'm 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.800 stressed out for her, I'm stressed out for you. I'm 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.280 like it like gives me nervous energy life. Yeah, we 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.320 can I know, both of us. Yeah, I don't know 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:10.879 that both of you. And you don't know how you 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.560 hate conflict. And she's she's like, you're my friend, don't 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.679 vote for me, thank you, And I'm like, oh my god, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.560 I'll never do Okay, so let me lead up into this. Okay. So, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.959 Kelly Anne and I are friends. Um, we we're good friends. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.520 And you know, coming into this game, Uh, Kelly Anne 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.760 and I were both on I was on All Stars one, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.440 two and three. Kelly Anne was on All Stars one 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.320 and All Stars three she missed two well, and in 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:41.000 All Stars season two, Jody and I, you know, became close. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.320 Not necessarily close, like we weren't like best friends or anything, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.280 but as far as the game goes and as far 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:51.080 as um reliability and alliance is, like, Joe proved herself 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.119 to me, and I will say honestly, it's because of 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.440 her and because of our alliance that we had with 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.800 you know, Janelle and Darell and Jody and Brad, you know, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.520 because of that, Like, yeah, I knew one thing about Jody. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.399 I knew she was a straight shooter. I knew that, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.560 you know, what she says, she means she's not ever 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.800 gonna bullshit me. So, you know, when I'm faced with 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.919 this hard decision of Okay, what are you gonna do? 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.920 First of all, the people nominated, Kelly Anne and Jody 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.920 are both people that I'm you know, would like to 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.439 play the game with it, I'm close to. But they 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.600 are also both my roommates, you know. So that was stressful. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.720 But I was weighing it out, you know, And what 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.800 really it comes down to for me is Kelly Anne 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.600 and I. The reason why we are friends is because 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.399 we're very similar. And I'll just say at point blank, 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.320 like I don't like making tough decisions when I'm put 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.080 in a position of power. I honestly hate it. And 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.640 Kelly Anne is also the same way. She's very watery. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.919 She's all over the place. I mean, you see the 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.640 paranoia kick in. As soon as you know she knows 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.400 she's on the chopping block, she goes to this person, 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.080 she talks to this person, she comes and talks to me, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.479 same time. So what you're saying, you guys are very different, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.800 That's what I'm got seeing in the sense of emotions 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.479 all over the place. I knew I know in this 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.720 game that this is going to be a very tough 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.679 road ahead of me and who out of out of 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.160 the people that I'm choosing against to go in. This 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.600 isn't This isn't like a nomination process like All Stars 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.480 two was like the winners don't nominate, they put the 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.600 nail in the coffin, you know. And for me, I'm 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.879 trying to decide, you know, do I go with my 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.680 friend or do I go with someone who I know 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.680 what she says is true is reliable in this game. 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.040 Jodie and I are very different. We're like the ying 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.640 to the yang. Like. She's very point blake, very logical. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.760 I'm very emotional, very watery all over the place. Kelly 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.000 and I, Kelly and and I both being that same 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.760 way was was not good for me and I. I 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.000 just think yours is more like yours is more like 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:01.440 a lake. I feel like you can hide yours better though, Yeah, 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:03.680 I think, Well, here's the thing. The difference between Kelly, 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.080 Anne and I is I understand that this is a game. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.680 And that was the biggest difference between past Challenge on 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.080 A and now is Yes, we do have friendships in 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.160 this game. We rely on them to get us further. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.040 But you know, at a certain point you have to 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.160 figure out what you're playing for. Are you playing for you? 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.080 Are you playing for your family? Or are you playing 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.440 to maintain these friendships? You know outside of this, If 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.880 we're really friends like we say we are, we should 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.840 be friends leaving this game, regardless of what happened, right, Like, right, 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.160 So that was at the point that we were at, 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.520 is like I had already learned that lesson and that's 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.400 where I was, and she, Kelly Anne, was still there 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.720 and this is what I rely on to get me 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:49.760 further and I need you now. So so two things. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.920 One in your confessional you said you you were like, 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.880 I know, I don't want Kelly An to play the game. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.879 You said, right you, You made it a point to 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.800 say that. So with with with knowing that, was it 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.880 any easier to make whatever decision it is that you're 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.520 going to make, no, no, because it's still even though 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.880 even though you don't want to fall back into like 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.280 the old way that I played and fall back into 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.480 your emotions and friendships, it's hard when you're there and yeah, 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:21.320 with those people, and that's the only thing you rely 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.280 on Because I knew I knew kind of like the 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.080 hard decision that I had to face, and I knew 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.840 I didn't want to do this to a friend. But 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.640 then I also understood, like this is a World Championship. 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:33.320