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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys let go. Are

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Speaker 1: much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar

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Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, January twenty six,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, season seventeen, episode number one oh one.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. It is

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Speaker 1: my break. Every once a week I get to actually

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Speaker 1: get away from the business of the Dallas Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: come spend an hour talking Cowboys football with you guys.

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Speaker 1: So it's fun. This is my fun part of the week.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad to have these guys. Women, got Dave,

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Speaker 1: Dave and Amber all joining me, and we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some fun today. We're gonna start this and I actually

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Speaker 1: one hundred and one episode, so I don't know there

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Speaker 1: are any players that have ever won one on one.

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Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna flip this

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the off season. It's the off season,

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Speaker 1: so we can talk about a lot of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna start each show going around the table.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna let everyone kind of give us one story,

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Speaker 1: one story in all sports. It can be football related,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys related, it could be about baseball, basketball, it could

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Speaker 1: be your college whatever, one story from the previous week,

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Speaker 1: since the last time we were on the air that

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Speaker 1: you found most intriguing. So let's go around the table

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Speaker 1: and do that to get us going here today. And Nick,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you. M Well, obviously there's other

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Speaker 1: NFL stuff. I mean, like it's hard to branch out

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Speaker 1: with other stuff. But actually I just switched. I just

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Speaker 1: switched in the last five seconds. That's you, Seriously, that

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Speaker 1: is me. That is you. You know when you watch

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Speaker 1: baseball and you just you know, you grow ape of

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Speaker 1: the guys you remember like it's it's complete bs, it

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Speaker 1: really is. They need to fix what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame because the guys that were the

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Speaker 1: And I understand they messed up Baseball messed up. They

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Speaker 1: not gonna you know, policemen don't know if if there's

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Speaker 1: no speed limit right here, you can't come back and go, well,

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Speaker 1: you look like you were speeding. Well you should have

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Speaker 1: been back there trying to you. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: figuring out. I think it's a it's a shame that

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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. That is absolutely ridiculous to me,

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Speaker 1: because the Major League Baseball made a mistake and then

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Speaker 1: it up. I think it's ridiculous. And I switched it. It

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Speaker 1: It was gonna be about Lebron James, and then I

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Speaker 1: just moved it to that. Now I've actually think that

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Speaker 1: I think it's I'm not a big baseball fan, but

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Speaker 1: understand how you start that conversation I've always I've always

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Speaker 1: Like the people who vote for these guys play favorites.

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds was never really well liked by the media.

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Speaker 1: Longer than I thought, well, that's what this segment is

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Speaker 1: If you went to I mean you know where I'm from. Sure,

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Speaker 1: Bortgage Studios at the Star, Let's talk coaches, and I

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Speaker 1: want to start with Mike McCarthy, and I want to

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Speaker 1: take us back to the final game of the season,

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Speaker 1: the playoff game the Cowboys lost. My question for you, guys,

465
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Speaker 1: it's how much blame do you give McCarthy for that? Loss.

466
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Speaker 1: When you think about things like the delay Penley after

467
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Speaker 1: the fake punt, the final play. How much blame do

468
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Speaker 1: you give him for what transpired that day? Um A lot.

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Speaker 1: You're the head coach, Your team wasn't ready to play,

470
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Speaker 1: team wasn't ready. You work all year to get home

471
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Speaker 1: field advantage. You get home field advantage. Your crowd's into it.

472
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Speaker 1: It's not that it's not a pro forty nine ers crowd.

473
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Speaker 1: You're in it. You know, you do everything, and then

474
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: your team's flat and you noticed it, and he noticed it.

475
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Speaker 1: I mean, whatever he said, nervous, angst, whatever he said,

476
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Speaker 1: he noticed it. And so that's that goes on him.

477
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Speaker 1: Maybe the players just don't have it, but that's on

478
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Speaker 1: him to get it there. And then some of those

479
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: players said, I mean I throw in you know, if

480
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Speaker 1: there's a big shiny spot on the field of sun,

481
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't throw a crucial third down past or a

482
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: receiver over there who's not wearing EyeBlack. Don't do that.

483
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: Throw it over here. Sorry we can't see. So I mean,

484
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: like there's little things about the game. And if you're

485
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Speaker 1: not the offens coordinator, you're a defense coordinator. You don't

486
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: call the plays, then you should be doing those things. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: that's if you're a walk around head coach and you're

488
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Speaker 1: not calling the plays. I know this is like simplistic,

489
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes memes take on a life of their own,

490
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Speaker 1: but it sure seems. I mean, then forty nine ers

491
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: didn't look nervous walking out of their locker room with

492
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Speaker 1: that big ass boom box like swagging down the tunnel.

493
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Speaker 1: Why why were you nervous? This is a team full

494
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,239
Speaker 1: of like guys in their prime, A lot, I mean

495
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: lots of important members of his team have been in

496
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Speaker 1: the playoffs before. You're playing at home? Why why are

497
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: you nervous? Why? Why did you have fourteen penalties? Why?

498
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Speaker 1: Why has that been a Jerry Jones said it amazingly

499
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: last week. He was like, I don't want to hear

500
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Speaker 1: about how we're working on penalties in the off season.

501
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Weren't we doing that when it was happening every week?

502
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: And that falls I mean, that should fall on a

503
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: walk around head coach who's like you look, you go

504
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: look at the trends and you're like, man, we've been

505
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: averaging nine penalties a game for the last month. That's

506
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: not good enough. Did you see that they were nervous

507
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: before the game because I didn't I didn't know Amber

508
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: saw it. Thank you. Let me take him moment here,

509
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: because people like to give me crap all the time

510
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: anytime I make a remarked like that, Oh you don't

511
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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I know why my eyes

512
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: are talking about. I know what I see with my eyes.

513
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Speaker 1: And I did see a pregame the energy was just off.

514
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Speaker 1: He just looked right before the game, Storry, while they're

515
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: warming up and everything. You look at both sides of

516
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: the benches the field and you see the forty nine

517
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: ers I see that are about like fighting each other.

518
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck is going on? Well, it

519
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: turns out that they're pumping each other out and just

520
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: like high energy. And then I look at the cowboys

521
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: and they're just standing around holding a helmet, and that

522
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: was basically I'm like, oh god. But going back to

523
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Speaker 1: this your question Derek about head coach. I left last

524
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Speaker 1: show last week's show walking out and thinking, Okay, what

525
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: are really really the responsibilities of a head coach? Like

526
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: what is Mike McCarthy full on? If you had to

527
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Speaker 1: list this is what you do on a weekday and

528
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: this is what you do game day that has a

529
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Speaker 1: full on effect on how the Cowboys perform right the

530
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: day of the game, as opposed to what I'm trying

531
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: to get at, as opposed to how the players play

532
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: on the game, and then what the coordinators are doing

533
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Speaker 1: during the game, you know what I mean, Like, what

534
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: are you trying to figure out? Who's here to blame

535
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: and how much blame does the heck? I mean, yeah,

536
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: he's the face of the whole team and has to

537
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: stand up there. But as far as like duties, what

538
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: are his duties exactly? Like during the course of the week,

539
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: typically he oversees the like the staffs as they put

540
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: their game plan together, and it's up to him to decide,

541
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: like how much time he spends with who he's always

542
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: He's said time and time again. He kind of lets

543
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Kellen take the lead on that, but he leans more

544
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: offensively because that's his background. And most importantly, I'll say

545
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: this real quick, most important I think, and this is

546
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: with any leader, I think his primary responsibility is to

547
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: identify and solve problems. So as he's watching his team prepares,

548
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: he's watching his coaches prepare, he's identifying This was an

549
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: issue last week. Let me spend a little extra time

550
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: over here making sure stress the importance of what we

551
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: need to do to do this. Let me go solve

552
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: this problem over here. I see this is happening over here.

553
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: I need to deal with this. Like that's what leadership is.

554
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: So if you're a walk around he had coach to me,

555
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: that's your first and most primary responsibility is identify problems

556
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and solve them because in a lot of instances, the

557
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: people that are close to it may not see it

558
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: and certainly may not have the answers to it. And

559
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: it should be you also should allow yourself to be

560
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: more of a coach for the entire team. You know,

561
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: I think sometimes if you're an offense of coordinator. I

562
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: think it was Homegrins teams back in the Green Bay.

563
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: I remember some defensive players where are like, yeah, our

564
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: offense is great. He calls the plays, he's the head coach. Defensively,

565
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: didn't have the same kind of pulse, and so that's

566
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: one of the things that that goes against you a

567
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: little bit. So if you're a fear coach that handles everything,

568
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: you should have a better pulse for the entire team.

569
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: The entire roster kind of know what's going on with them.

570
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does that, but I'm just

571
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: saying that's one of the reasons why you do that.

572
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: I guess where I'm trying to get at it is too.

573
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: It's like, how much do you put on Kellen versus

574
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy rather than people when you get on Twitter

575
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: people asking oh, different head coach, different head coach versus

576
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: different offensive coordinators type of stuff. You know, Well, I

577
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: think I think it still goes to McCarthy because it

578
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: goes back to the last year, in that game against

579
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Speaker 1: Washington on Thanksgiving, when you know a fossil call in

580
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: fake punt, it's like what you don't get to call

581
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: things like yeah, I mean it's your job over here

582
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: to rein him back in. So that's when you throw

583
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: your UNO car Like, no, I'm trumping what you're saying.

584
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something different. Yeah, like the draw too,

585
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean like, like, no, I don't, I don't know

586
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: if I like that call. Let's think of something else,

587
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: which again they say it fit within their their time frame.

588
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: They say fourteen seconds. Now again, I'm not saying it's right.

589
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying he he agrees that that was no. He

590
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: he backed it up in the press conference. I don't agree.

591
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: Got yesterday from somebody. I think the Dallas Stars. You

592
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: probably don't know this, but I think the Dallas Stars scored, like,

593
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: scored fourteen seconds in in their game, and somebody tweets,

594
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: we'll see they can score fourteen seconds. I'm like, I

595
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: mean this the whole Chiefs thing. Thirteen seconds. It's like,

596
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference here. I don't know

597
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: about you, but I think having a timeout changes. So yeah,

598
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, that's like it's just it's pilot and

599
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: just wait away and always. But that's a part of

600
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: that's a part of being here. That's a part of thing.

601
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I actually want to ask you guys that question as

602
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: you guys started talking about the nervousness and all that stuff, like,

603
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: do you think that at some point, maybe that time

604
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: time is now? Do you think at some point the

605
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: pressure of playing here just becomes so heavy that because

606
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: again you're talking about a team where all eyes are

607
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: on this team no matter what's happening, good or bad. Yes,

608
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: where you're just it's just so much. Do you think

609
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: at some point it can just be so much pressure

610
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: to where you are going to have a team that

611
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: should be confident, but they're nervous because there's just so

612
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: much pressure. Maybe not even pressure, hype too, I think,

613
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Speaker 1: I mean that's the double edged sword. It's all it's

614
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: cool to brag about how everybody wants to watch you

615
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: and you set the rating record all the time, But

616
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: this team will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever

617
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: sneak up on somebody. It just won't happen. Because the

618
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Speaker 1: first time the Cowboys win two or three games in

619
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: a row, it all like the circus comes to town.

620
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Speaker 1: That's what they're talking about on the national talk shows.

621
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: The fan base is excited. The team has to deal

622
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Speaker 1: with that. So I mean, I think it's pressure. I

623
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: think it's just notoriety, for lack of a better word,

624
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: like it's fitting because this is what the forty nine

625
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: ers were. Like, the forty nine ers snuck into the

626
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: playoffs and everybody was like, don't think you want to

627
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: play this team that'll never be the Cowboys ever. And

628
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: I think that matters. I think history continues to prove

629
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: that that matters. It's not always the reason why they

630
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: come up short in these situations, but I don't think

631
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: it helps. Yeah, I think they're gonna have to be

632
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: number one or number seven to get to a championship

633
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: game or past. And I do think at seven that's

634
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the best way you're gonna do it. As kind of

635
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: be the wildcard team and didn't win the division, but

636
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: you're pretty good and now you get your pieces back

637
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: together and you know you win this game, but the

638
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: pressure you, oh, you're not gonna win this game, and

639
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Speaker 1: then you do and all that you can kind of

640
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: it or you're just so good. I think Dave said

641
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: it in the press box after the game. It's gonna

642
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: have to be a team that's so good and so

643
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: powerful that could just withstand all the hype all that

644
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: because they're just better. And I think that happens with

645
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: offensive line. You get offensive line because you don't have to.

646
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that will travel. If you're big and strong

647
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: and you're going or just mall people that will That

648
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: will happen in Lambeau. That will happen and so far

649
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: it'll happen that at and t will happen anywhere. And

650
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: I think that's where the offensive line has gotta get.

651
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: You gotta get to that malling thing stage. Again, I

652
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: think it does go back to the voice that they

653
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: are listening to, because me personally, as someone who deals

654
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: with like anxiety or whatever, I understand that it's only

655
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: human for you to feel nervous before anything. But if

656
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: you have the right voice in your ear going out

657
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: and you're even if I have anxiety right now, you're

658
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna make me run through this wall if I need to,

659
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: you know. So it goes back to that, even especially

660
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: when they were coming off a win like the last

661
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: game that they had of the season, that they were great, Yeah,

662
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: playing against backups and things like that, but it was

663
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: still the kind of ended, sorry, the kind of ending

664
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: that they needed to at least get their energy back

665
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: up and all that. So I think it does go

666
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: back to the leadership and the voice is and all that,

667
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: because yes, you can be nervous, but there's no reason

668
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: that you're walking out on the field on a playoff

669
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: game and not feeling pumped and ready to go no

670
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: matter what, even if there's always a chance for you

671
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: to lose, you're gonna give it your all and go

672
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: out there thinking that you're gonna win this game. Well,

673
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: that's the perfect lead into the next question. You talk

674
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: about leadership in that right voice. My question for you guys,

675
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: do you think McCarthy is providing the right kind of

676
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: guidance for his coaches and for his players? And I'll

677
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: give you a few examples. What led me to this question.

678
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: Number one, You think about this last this last season

679
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and the offense and Kellen Moore and for whatever reason,

680
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: they got to the midpoint in season and the offense

681
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: fell off and it didn't seem like they had any answers.

682
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Did he have enough answers for him? You go back

683
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: to last year, the defense didn't seem like they had answers.

684
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that they had. Coach was necessarily helping

685
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: them out of that hole. You even look at all

686
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the stuff that was going on this year where there

687
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: was this kind of preoccupation with the referees, and it

688
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: didn't seem like there was enough of a voice being up,

689
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: enough of a voice out there saying to these players

690
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: stop worrying about the referees, because it continued to be

691
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: something they were talking about after games. Do you think

692
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: he's giving the right kind of guidance to his coaches

693
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: into his players. The penalty thing is a really good

694
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: point because no. I mean, I think it was the

695
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals game. A bunch of players were like, yeah, Mike

696
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: told us that we got to play two different teams.

697
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Like that was his message in the postgame locker room.

698
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: And in that Cardinals game, Cliff Kingsbury, they basically stole

699
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: a time out from the Cowboys, knowing that they could

700
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: just keep this unit on the field. They would be confused,

701
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: they'd run around, they'd call time out, and it ended

702
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: up ended affecting the game, you know, because they knew

703
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were going to do that. So that that's

704
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: a you know, that's a mindset too from the opponents

705
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: that they kind of know that your undisciplined at times.

706
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: This is one of it's a question that it's easy

707
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: to just like lean into the most recent thing that happened,

708
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: but I mean there have been evidence of him doing

709
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: a good job with that. I mean, to cut ties

710
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: with Mike Nolan immediately, I mean, you gotta give him

711
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: credit for the Dan Quinn higher, even if it was

712
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Dan that that revitalized the defense. Mike figured out what

713
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: needed to be done, and Kellen Moore's public enemy number

714
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: one right now. I think that's fair. Honestly, like I

715
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: have lost a lot of confidence in Kellen Moore from

716
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: November until now. But I think we would all agree

717
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: we I think you would prefer in a vacuum like oh, like,

718
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: that's great that the head coach recognizes the play caller

719
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: and doesn't want to get in the way of that.

720
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be so easy to sit here

721
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: in a different universe and be like McCarthy's in the way,

722
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: Like McCarthy he's stifling Kellen Moore. I mean, Jason Garrett

723
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: caught a lot of flak for that. A lot of

724
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: people thought Jason Garrett like handcuffed Kellen. And so I

725
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: think it's a progressive and a helpful attitude to let

726
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: your coaches do their thing. And maybe Kellen Moore just

727
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: reached the ceiling of what he's capable of. I don't

728
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: know at what point, And we're making a lot of

729
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: assumptions here. Of course, very very plainly, McCarthy could have

730
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: been in his ear and could have been talking through

731
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: him with him during the weeks and helping him along.

732
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: The results didn't change, and that's why I'm asking this

733
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: line of question. But at what point do you think

734
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: going to what you were saying Dave, a coach does

735
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: have to step in and say, Okay, we're not getting this,

736
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: we're not moving beyond this, we're not figuring this out,

737
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: so let me use my experience agains, especially with the

738
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: guy like Kellen who has limited amount of experience as

739
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: a play caller, with Mike having as much experience as

740
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: he does, do you think that maybe that was a

741
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: situation where he should have stepped in more and been

742
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: way more involved in the play calling, just because he

743
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: has the experience, and maybe he could have provided something

744
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: to help him out of that funk. I sort of expected.

745
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I was half expecting that to happen

746
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: all through the final month of this season, just like

747
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be surprised if today is the day

748
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: that this comes out. You know, maybe he should have.

749
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: But again I leaned toward the idea, like when you

750
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: start throwing your eight around and like making drastic change,

751
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: like I've in my experience just being around the league,

752
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that is more likely to cause trouble

753
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: than not. But it's easy to sit here in in

754
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: the aftermath of everything and be like, yeah, he probably

755
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: should have done that, you know, I mean, they won.

756
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: They won twelve games this year, and that that that's

757
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: what makes it tough, because yeah, that they lost some

758
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: games against teams that were better than them, but you know,

759
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: teams teams upset teams all the time. You know, like

760
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: Washington beat the Bucks, and you know, I think the

761
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Giants beat a couple of playoff teams. I mean, so

762
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: you got to get credit for winning the games. I mean,

763
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if your division is bad, you still

764
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: you have to go out and win the game. So

765
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: you got to get credit for that. I think it's

766
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: I think it's what's unfair is the whole game clock

767
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: management stuff, because that is that is usually comes down

768
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: to lazy reporting because of what you see and you're like, oh,

769
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Bad management. This team has more points

770
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: than anyone in the NFL is scoring in the final

771
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: two minutes of a game or a half, and they

772
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: led the league. That it comes down to tub minute

773
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: offense running. And I get it. We saw the forty

774
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: nine er game at the end. But I'm just saying,

775
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: you can't be that bad of clock management and score

776
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: at the end of half so many times. So I

777
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: don't think he's getting a fair shake all the time.

778
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: Elephant in the room here. Steven Jones says it all

779
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: time about players. Player acquisition is three five days a year.

780
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: Well is coaching. I mean, that's what's coming down to.

781
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: If they feel like there's a better option out there.

782
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: Jerry even said it, if there's a better option out there,

783
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: then I would make the move. Well, I'm just saying

784
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: maybe there is, Maybe there isn't. I don't know. Well,

785
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean they say it all the

786
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: time about players. Why wouldn't you say it about coaches

787
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: talent acquisition full year? Well, I'm sure it's the same

788
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: with coaches. Want you want to get you want to

789
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: get better, and if there's better option out there, then

790
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: they need to look into I'm gonna have a big

791
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: problem if dan Quinn walk. It's away and it's unable

792
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: to stay here. One way or another. Interview for eighteen

793
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: saying just herself, here's what we're gonna do it. We're

794
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: actually gonna take our final bank when we come back.

795
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: I do want to flip the conversation to the coordinators.

796
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: They're both interviewing. They both got interviews lined up. Seems

797
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: like every day you hear about a different one we'll

798
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: talk about what the Cowboys lose if they lose one

799
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,960
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Speaker 1: talk about the offensive and defensive coordinator. Dan Quinn Kellum

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Speaker 1: were both taking interviews. I've just read this morning that

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn is now in for second interview. I think

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00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: it was in Chicago, Is that right? Yes, So he's look,

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Speaker 1: on with dan queen. Let's start with Quinn. Let's start

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849
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. Well, at the very bare minimum, we know

850
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: they lose a coach that all of the defenders on

851
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: this team love, I mean, the player coach reputation he

852
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: came in with, it lived up to that. He seems

853
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: so well liked by all of those guys. So a

854
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: guy that they're bought into, a guy who picked your

855
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: most recent draft class, which was very defense heavy by

856
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: the way, um and and kind of has a handle

857
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: on the talent here and the schemes that they work

858
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: well within. Yeah, right off the top of my head. Yeah,

859
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just a he's just a tough dude.

860
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: He's tough, mentally tough. I think I think he I mean,

861
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: you have to be mentally tough to go through what

862
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: he's gone through as a coach, you know. I mean,

863
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: like like what happened in Atlanta happened, you know, And

864
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: and he's not the first one, you know, because Brady

865
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: can do that to other teams. But like, you know,

866
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: I think from a mentally tough guy, and I think

867
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: the players feed off on that. I don't want him

868
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: to go to any place Chicago though. I don't think

869
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: you could be the coach in Chicago if you're not,

870
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, a tough s ob. I mean, you just

871
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: have to be. And I think they would be a

872
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: good fit there. But that's if he leaves, and I

873
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I've said it a hundred times,

874
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: I've said it on here. I think this is a

875
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: very unique situation. I'll be surprised if he stays, I'll

876
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: be surprised if he leaves. So I don't know if

877
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: I can just sit on the fence then just sit

878
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: right on top of it. Is I mean, we've seen

879
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: we've seen Jerry pull out stops to keep people before,

880
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: and it's hard to read into these situations because it's

881
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: shrouded in so much secrecy, And like Jerry has gone

882
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: out of his way to not want to talk about

883
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: anything having to do with any of his coaches. Really,

884
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: but if that was a thing, wouldn't it have happened

885
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: by now? Or like, is Jerry waiting for somebody to

886
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: get an offer before he counters with stay here for

887
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: this instead? I mean, I don't know. I feel like

888
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: you've had ample opportunity to try to convince him to

889
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: stay by certainly, don't want to be bidding against yourself.

890
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Actually, that's a really good thing.

891
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: You wait until there's something I'll have the money for business,

892
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: and then you say, okay, I will beat that by whatever,

893
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: and I'll keep you here. And honestly, I do wonder

894
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: if it's a situation with him where it's more by

895
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: the fact that or I'll speak for myself if I

896
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: were him, I would be looking at it like I'm

897
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: still going to I got great enough players here on

898
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: this defense that I'm still going to be a commodity

899
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: next year. And so if there isn't a position that's

900
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: available right now that has the things in it I

901
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: think are necessary, and each coach probably has that list

902
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: of those two or three things that are like, this

903
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: is what may makes it necessary to win, Quarterback, pass rusher,

904
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, right, whatever those things are

905
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: that he's like, these are absolutely mustas Knowing where I

906
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: came from in Atlanta, I know I can't win without

907
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: these things. If I'm him, I'm not taking a job

908
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: unless it has those things. I'm not going to convince myself, well, baby,

909
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: I could make this work. If it doesn't clearly have

910
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: those things, I'm not taking it because I feel like

911
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: I could stay here and my defense is still gonna

912
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: be top ten next year. It's gonna be a really

913
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: good Why not? I think if he if he leaves,

914
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: whoever it is, I don't even know who the guy

915
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: would be the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys, but I

916
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: just don't think that he would be the same defense

917
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: or even take a step forward well, let me be clear.

918
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: I was actually saying, if he came back, he could

919
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: rely on the fact that he's going to have this

920
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: defense a top ten Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And that's

921
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: where I'm like, So if I'm him, I don't run

922
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: for any position. I only go if I'm like, whatever

923
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: those things are that I absolutely have to have in place.

924
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: Unless they're already in place, I'm not going. I'll stay here.

925
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: I'll keep this defense up there in the time opped

926
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: in and next year I'll be right back in the

927
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: cycle again and they'll be talking about me again. I

928
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, guys, just real quick, why why

929
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: wasn't that in the first place? He ended up being

930
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinators because he was ahead back in the

931
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: day or here he got fired. He was a head

932
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: coach who got fired. So what happened? Because I think

933
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: that you also have to look at the history and

934
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: like what happened that let him to where he's at

935
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: right now, even though he's been blown leads, watermelon kicks,

936
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: things like that Super Bowl eight, I think he was

937
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I think he lost this offensive coordinator. I think that

938
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: was the difference. You look at that Atlanta team that

939
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. Shanahan was that offensive coordinator.

940
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: The next year he left, and they never were. That

941
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: offense was never the same after he left. They were,

942
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: they were doing remarkable things that year when they went

943
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl on the offensive side of the ball.

944
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: Once he left, it all changed and I think that

945
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: was the biggest undoing of of of Quinn in Atlanta. Ironically,

946
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't call the defense when he was there.

947
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: But like their defense was never good in the year

948
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: they made the Super Bowl, their defensive they were just

949
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: they were. They were a help to that offense. I

950
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: think they played for complimentary football, but that offense was

951
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: really really good understanding. But let's also be clear too,

952
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: like about dan Quinn is a great coach and I

953
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: think he's you know, he's changed a lot of things.

954
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: But if you were to, like, we keep dan Quinn,

955
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: but you're gonna lose Parsons and Diggs, no one's gonna

956
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: take that. Parsons digs in tank and maybe if it's

957
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: Randy whatever, like that's that's the core. That's the core.

958
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Any defensive coordinator that's been good in this league is

959
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: going to come in and I think gonna be pretty

960
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: good because Michael Parsons is ready to take the next level.

961
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: He might be the best defensive player in football. Trayvon Diggs.

962
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't care what his grades are. He takes the

963
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: ball away, he's gonna get even better. I think those

964
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: pieces right there, and maybe that's why dan Quinn will

965
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: stay right. I don't mean that's my hope. I think

966
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: that's why I look at the like free aging guys

967
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: and what happened last year under Mike Nolan. This is

968
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: what happened with the free agent guys. Then Queenn brought in.

969
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: Like last year, it was kind of like a wash.

970
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: No free agent guy did anything that was terrible failure.

971
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: A third line didn't wash it clean. He did okay,

972
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: but it was bad. It was bad. Just to make

973
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: sure I use that right. Wash doesn't that mean that's

974
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: bad kind And I thought watched it's like like wash

975
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: it away, it's terrible, like this the shows A watch.

976
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: We got young people, we got old people. You know,

977
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: we got so maybe like a flush flushes. Well. Anyways,

978
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: my point is, I don't know if you got Ace King,

979
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: Queen Jackson, I mean, it could be good point. Actually

980
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's a straight but it would be a

981
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: straight flush. Sorry, that was when you compare players, are

982
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: not those guys like a Parson's tremor Diggs. What happens

983
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: with the other guys on the defense. What happened to

984
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the linebackers and the safeties and the

985
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: other corners. So things like that that I'm like, Okay,

986
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: what dan Quinn proved to do with guys like that

987
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: that weren't that the cow Is didn't necessarily break the

988
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: bank in free agency. Are things that I'm like, Okay,

989
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: I love this guy, bring him back, keep him here

990
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: however you can. But this is a tough spot. But yeah,

991
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: that's why I think I don't know how it's going

992
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: to be. It's a depressing That's part of why, like

993
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: getting bounced out of the playoffs is depressing. I mean,

994
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic that the

995
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: defense will stay good next year, but defense comes with

996
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: a lot of variants. There's a lot of key free

997
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: agents on this team. And I always say this, like,

998
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: it's not mad enfranchise mode where you click advanced through

999
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: the offseason and all of your guys get three points better, Like,

1000
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: that's not how it works in the real world. Some

1001
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: guys stay the same, some guys get worse. Some guys

1002
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: the scheme changes and they're not good at what's being

1003
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: asked of them anymore. So there's a lot of reasons

1004
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: to be optimistic. But I don't think you can sit

1005
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: here in January, even if Dan stay is, I don't

1006
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: think you can sit here and be like, yeah, they're

1007
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna be better. It's like, I hope, so yeah, I

1008
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: hope they make all the right moves and push all

1009
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: the right buttons. But you can't bank on that right now.

1010
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: He's got he's gotta find some wild cards to the mix,

1011
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, and and and jay Ron Curse to me

1012
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: was the biggest wild card. And that was a guy

1013
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: that that I thought, you know, he just said, I

1014
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: mean I got a spot for him. I mean, I

1015
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: could use this guy, you know, he's he's a type

1016
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: um to me, though, this offense, this defense can take

1017
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: a big step. One of the key players he's got

1018
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: to be able to do it is Kelvin Joseph. That's

1019
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: the biggest question I have is this offseason we talked

1020
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: about him off the field, his maturity, all that. How

1021
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: much you concern about that. I'm concerned I'm concerned his

1022
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: track record has been bad like that. Athletically he's great.

1023
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: His track record of sticking with the place and being

1024
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: under the rules and everything that goes into it and

1025
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: being dedicated all the time has not always been there.

1026
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: If he takes that next level, if he grows with

1027
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: Tray and they go he tries to cover Stefan Diggs

1028
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. He does that this offseason and

1029
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: really dedicates himself. I think he could be a good player.

1030
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: We saw signs of it. He can be good. I

1031
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: just hope, which by the way, that there were signed

1032
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: to that in college as well, he just had both

1033
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: those two stops. There were just these things that came

1034
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: up to where at some point they were like we

1035
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: just we we'd rather be without you than'd be with

1036
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: you in the way that I mean, I'm not gonna

1037
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: call names, but there was a player from last year

1038
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: that was that his signs, you know, Arrow was pointed

1039
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: up and he was ready to take a next level,

1040
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and he had a bad offseason. He didn't he didn't

1041
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: come in, he didn't do the same things as he

1042
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: wanted to, and he was pretty much an afterthought of

1043
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: the season. So I mean y'all can figure it out

1044
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: if you want. But there was a defensive player Rady

1045
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: to take the next level that didn't and I think

1046
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: it was because of his offseason. So the big big

1047
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: step for Kelvin Joseph to go and do that. I

1048
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: know he's talking about it. I'm like, I'm trying to

1049
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: go through this and going to call out people for whatever,

1050
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: because you know, you don't know all the story. You

1051
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: just kind of hear some things a lot that. But

1052
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: just there's a guy that you thought would be a

1053
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: starter and be there and be ready to play, and

1054
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: he really it didn't. It didn't pan out. Um, maybe

1055
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: he has a better offseason. So yeah, all right, well

1056
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: keep thinking about that. All right, Let's let's to the

1057
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. What does this team lose

1058
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: if they don't have Kellen Moore? Uh, continuity and the

1059
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: offense um that they lose you know, you know, Dack's

1060
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to learn different you know it would have

1061
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: to learn I think different scheme depends on who they

1062
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: bring in. Um, you know, and he's willing to do

1063
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: some some different you know, I like the some of

1064
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: them change trick plays and stuff like that. Um, but

1065
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: you know I there he could be better, though he

1066
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: could be better during the week that they have too

1067
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: many slow starts, and I think that comes with preparation. Yeah,

1068
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: I like I said it is. It is a tough

1069
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: question because I mean this offense has been really, really,

1070
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: really good at times, it's also gone into a shell

1071
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: and kind of lost its identity. This low starts, the

1072
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: inability to run the ball. Whether or not it falls

1073
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: on Kellen Moore. That Tony Pollard didn't have a role

1074
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, I don't know, but he

1075
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: should have. That's somebody's fault somewhere. Someone made that decision,

1076
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: whether it was the OC, the head coach, the front office,

1077
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. There's just a lot of

1078
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: disconcerting stuff that's happened there, and so I think it's

1079
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: knee jerky to just be like anybody's better, any like,

1080
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: just get I'm out of here. But at the same time,

1081
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: I said it earlier in the show, like I've I've

1082
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: lost some confidence there, um, But just in terms of

1083
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: what they lose, it is interesting. McCarthy was asked about

1084
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: this at his press conference, just in the vein of like,

1085
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: you don't know whether or not he'll be here, and

1086
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: he was like, well, it'll it'll be the same. We're

1087
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna tailor it toward Dak Prescott, like he's going to

1088
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: be at the center of everything, which is smart, but

1089
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: what does that mean, Like, are you just gonna keep

1090
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: the offense and put it in the hands of a

1091
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: new person, like you just promote a Doug nuss Meyer.

1092
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: He can't promote Ben McAdoo anymore. He's in Carolina, which

1093
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: I feel I think most people are probably like relieved

1094
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: to hear that news. If I had to get this

1095
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: was a good officive coordiney whatn't he That's how he

1096
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to be a hit coach? Yeah he was. Yeah,

1097
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: he was the offensive coordinator for the Giants for a

1098
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: couple of years when they were still good with Eli.

1099
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was ever amazing. It's a

1100
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: moot point now, but I just it's my question is

1101
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: just like, so, were you just taken what Kellen has

1102
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: done and putting it in the hands of a new

1103
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: person and not changing anything. You're not gonna let somebody

1104
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: use their own terminology or are you going to hire

1105
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: from outside the building? Like it's easy to say we're

1106
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: going to build around Dak, But what does that mean

1107
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: if the guy that's been Dak's coordinator for the last

1108
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: three years is not in the building, which I think

1109
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: Kellen will be here. I don't think Kellen's going to

1110
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: get a head coaching job, so probably doesn't matter. Yeah,

1111
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not as passionate about him than I am

1112
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: for Den Quinn. But you know what, I think I

1113
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: still haven't lost faith in Kellen Moore, and I think

1114
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: that he can take the off season and really study

1115
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: and evaluate everything that he did and figure out how

1116
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: he can improve for another season. I don't think he's

1117
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: the right person to be a head coach just yet,

1118
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: at least at this point in his career, but I

1119
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: do think that he is a very smart guy. And

1120
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: although I'm very down about what he did at the

1121
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: second half of the season, I think he has brought

1122
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: new things to this offense that we haven't seen or

1123
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: in a long time since Jason Garrett was here, So

1124
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: at least that's a big step forward. He brought in

1125
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: the creativity, brought in different ways that he was using

1126
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: the offense, and just needs to kind of take the

1127
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: off season and figure out how to get better. I

1128
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: think he has it in him, and he's still a

1129
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: very young guy starting out in his career, so it's

1130
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: only fair to say that for him, starting right off

1131
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: the bat, without any coaching's experience, any of that, he's

1132
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: done a pretty how damn good job? How Americans say,

1133
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: pretty damn good job? So but he Yeah, he had

1134
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: a big, very bad hiccup there, but I think, yeah,

1135
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: he can still turn things around and get it better

1136
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: here with the Cowboys. All right, let's go around the

1137
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: table once, you guys to tell me what do you

1138
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: expect to happen with both Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore?

1139
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: What do you expect to happen? I think Dan's gone.

1140
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: He'll I don't know, You're just gonna be a finalist

1141
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: for that many jobs and not take any of them. Um.

1142
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: The big question for me is like, will there be

1143
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: anybody left to promote from within? Because Joe Witt has

1144
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: had a few interviews for DC jobs. I think Dan's gone,

1145
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: and I would I would try to promote Joe Witt

1146
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: or if you want to go after Mike Zimmer, that's fine,

1147
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: and sure, I just reading between the tea leaves of

1148
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: the exchanges between Mike and Fansie. It's actually be pretty spicy.

1149
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that that would happen,

1150
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: but maybe, um and then I just I think Kellen

1151
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: will be here. Yeah, So m um, how how how

1152
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: much can I say? How much can I actually voice

1153
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: what I would like? All you got what you think

1154
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: is gonna happens happen? I mean, I think Ellen Moore

1155
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: stays here with the Cowboys as the offensive coordinator, then Quinn. Yeah,

1156
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: highly possible that he leaves. But one mood is Jerry

1157
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: Jones in right now? How is he feeling? How is

1158
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: he at home sitting down or maybe at his office

1159
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: and his desk feeling Okay? How how crazy of a

1160
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: move can I make here? How? You know? Um, he

1161
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: seemed pretty upset at the end of the season. You know,

1162
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: even when he got on the fan, he seemed pretty

1163
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: upset about the loss. So I'm just you just never

1164
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: know what kind of craziness can happen with the head

1165
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: coaching position. And I think the only way you can

1166
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: really keep then Quinn is by making that kind of move,

1167
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: because I don't think you keep him here by just

1168
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: giving him more money and being like, oh, well, just

1169
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have him make him more than

1170
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. Oh maybe not, maybe not more than well,

1171
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: first of all you could, but hood you're not more

1172
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: than Mike, but just way more than your average. Be

1173
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: clear about this. My understanding is that there's still money

1174
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: he's getting from Atlanta as well, so that fattens into

1175
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: this too. And I don't know. Sometimes in the contracts,

1176
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on whether you get another head

1177
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: coaching job. So if he gets if his contract was

1178
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: set up such that, like as a coordinator, maybe he's

1179
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: not gets additive, but if he's a head coach, it's

1180
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: not like that could also affect. You know, money does

1181
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: go away coach, So yeah, so that he really want

1182
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: those So then money doesn't just about money may yeah,

1183
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: And that's the point, Like, I don't think I don't

1184
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: know that money necessarily drives is He's the only one

1185
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 1: that can answer that question. But because he's still making

1186
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: that money from Atlanta, I don't know that money is

1187
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: really driving his decision. Quid didn't I already go? You

1188
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: are to sit no, I you know Jerry didn't come

1189
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: out and say anything. I mean, he did say that

1190
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: he thinks Dak Prescott could win the Super Bowl. Yeah,

1191
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: so he's given the quarterback support. He could have done

1192
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: that different way, but he did that. He didn't get

1193
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: the head coach support. He didn't. He could have could

1194
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: have easily done that. He didn't do that. He didn't

1195
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: want to give any you want to talk about it,

1196
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: so you know, Jared could do whatever he wants. I'll

1197
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: say this, I think if McCarthy's the head coach next year,

1198
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: I think dan quinn will be the coordinator. Okay, I

1199
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: don't know about Kevin Moore, but I do think dan

1200
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: quinn will be the coordinator if macarth's coach. If Jared

1201
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: decided to do some crazy stuff that I think I'll

1202
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: he'll break loose and it'll be different. We'll have a

1203
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: fun off season. Do we think that's happening? Like? Do we?

1204
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: How confident do you feel that we're not out of

1205
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: the news cycle in terms of like, I don't think

1206
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: i've been. I've been working here. I've been working here

1207
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: long enough to know that as soon as you feel

1208
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: comfortable that something's gonna stay the same or change either

1209
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: way different, it'll it'll be it's just one way or

1210
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: the other. I mean that I phrase that, I don't

1211
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: know what I phrase that poorly, because like, of course

1212
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: we're not out of the news cycle, because like Dan

1213
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: has to make a decision, by the way, we just

1214
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: find ways to make it. Well, but that I guess.

1215
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's and Nick, I'll relate it to you, like,

1216
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: how likely do you think it is that my life

1217
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: gets turned upside down while I'm trying to plan this

1218
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: vacation gonna go? All right? This has been the Super

1219
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: Bowl for the ages. Here, it's fourth and nine. Here,

1220
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: my homes with the ball has a chance to win

1221
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: this game. But you know, Bosa is gonna be coming

1222
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: up off the off the edge here. You know what

1223
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: breaking news out of Dallas Cowboys. You know, yeah, my

1224
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: home scoring and the Chiefs one. But here's the thing,

1225
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: and then leading the next day all the local newspapers,

1226
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: all the national newspapers, Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, I guess I

1227
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: just gave him my Super Bowl pick. Yeah, I guess,

1228
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: But I just and I know we we have to

1229
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: tread delicate ground, I understand, but like this this is

1230
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: shaping up to be a circus environment. To be honest

1231
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: with you, well, I I don't like, I don't like

1232
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: firing people, so I don't I don't like supposing that

1233
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: something else is gonna happen when you still have a guy. No, no, no, no,

1234
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's just put it this way. There's a

1235
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: there's a big story that's just gonna hover over this

1236
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: team for the foreseeable future. Yea. And by the way,

1237
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: that could be for a year, I be for two years.

1238
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: It could be a story that just kind of lingers

1239
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: out there and and there's nothing it may be nothing

1240
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: to it, but it can linger out there for a

1241
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: long time, you know. So that's just the nature of it.

1242
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: Like that's just a part of the Cowboys. The Cowboys

1243
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: have those kinds of stories that just kind of linger.

1244
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: You know. If you've if you're like a head coach,

1245
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: you know of like I don't know, Texas Tech or

1246
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: something like that for a while and it's been really

1247
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: stressful for you and you just need a break. You

1248
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: probably don't want to go to Texas the next year,

1249
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If if if taking a

1250
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: break is what you need, you know what I mean,

1251
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be crazy. So I'm saying, you know,

1252
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: which happened Chris Beard did that Texas Texas, Texas. That's

1253
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: really all I'm saying. But he wasn't looking for a break.

1254
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm ready for the big time. I'm

1255
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: saying that if it's been a stressful time at a

1256
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: certain job. Really, Texas, Texas made a huge hire and

1257
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: it's not paying dividend. No, that's not what I'm saying.

1258
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm sure he's looking at it like, dang,

1259
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't bet. We just dropped out of

1260
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: the top twenty five when we started at six. Yes,

1261
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: I paid just enough attention to know that LSU's pretty good.

1262
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know how Texas was doing. We have we'll

1263
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: be playing Tennessee. We get to play SEC this Yeah,

1264
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: y'all arrows going down. Yea, we've been hurt. We had

1265
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: like three guys not playing. I was wondering LSU lost

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01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: in a basketball game on Saturday, and I was wondering,

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01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: are the fans in in Baton Rouge down? Are they

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: excited because the Bengals won? Uh? Well, it goes, it

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01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: goes both ways. It like because it timed up perfectly.

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01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: It was like, you kidd me, we lost Arkansas, like

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: they they like they're not really good. Well, but they

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: lost Tennessee whatever. Yeah. I literally I was at a

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01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: bar and LSU Tennessee was on one TV and the

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: Bengals were on the other, and I'm like, yeah, Joe, yeah, yeah,

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01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: go Joe, look over like we're losing whatever. Okay, what's

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: Joe doesn't like? It's like, yeah, I mean, you don't

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01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: want the basketball team to lose, but what the Bengals

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01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: are doing is definitely Mark. Why aren't you given jamaras

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: say Jamar too? No, no, no, I said that's Kelsey

1280
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: was like, I'm rooting for LSU because of this guy.

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01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, don't you dare forget Jamar. Chase

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: is doing his thing. Hey, they they have a few

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01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: more too. They got Tyler Shelvin, They're they're at baton

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01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: Rouge North up there, Let's go Bengals. All right, real quick,

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01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to end the show without doing this.

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01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: I want to quickly get some picks from you guys

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01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: of what's going to happen this weekend NFC and AFC

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01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: title games. You got Cincinnati beingles versus the Kansas Chiefs.

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01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: You got San Francisco forty nine ers, versus the Los

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, who wins each game, giving two Chie's forty

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: nine a super Bowl. Yea, all right. I will be

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01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: rooting my heart out for Joe and Jamar, but I

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01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: can't pick against my homes in his building. There's no

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01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: way Chiefs. I go Chiefs Rams, mainly just because I

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: don't want to see a rematch like we just had

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01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. Plus, I don't know, it's it's it's

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01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: hard to beat the same team three times in a season. Yeah,

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: So Chiefs Rams Bengals and let's go, all right, Age,

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: you know it'll be interesting. I know you're about to

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01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: make a pick. But it's like when fifty five years

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01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: with nobody had Nobody's home team went to the Super Bowl,

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: and we could have it twice in two years. Yeah,

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01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: it would mean now we also saw that. Does that

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: matter for the Rams, I mean it won't. I don't

1305
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: expect this week is going to be the same as

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: that that final week, Like I don't think they were

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01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna be that. I don't think it's gonna be that

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01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: overrun by the forty Niners this week. I really don't.

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01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. I saw a story Niners had I

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01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: had one day advantage like a heads up, because they

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01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: still started selling tickets like after the game's done, because

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: they didn't know where the game is gonna beat. It's

1313
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: a five hour drive if assuming you live in the

1314
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: Bay Area, get all the Niner fans all over Californy.

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: I get all that, But I just I kind of

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01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: gotta feel it will be a little different. First of all,

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: I think the Rams are gonna play better football than

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01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: they played that game. And that's the most important part. Yeah,

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: so I look at this. I look at this, and

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: I say it's gonna be Chiefs Rams. I think that's

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna be yourself room for the wrong team. I know that. Yeah, right,

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01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: we talked about that last week, though, I mean the

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: Rams have a nasty pass rush too. Like, I don't know,

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01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have to see Aaron Donald,

1325
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. If it wasn't with this interior offensive line,

1326
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: don't have to face the Cardinals, and then the Cowboys

1327
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: would have been the one to play in Lambeau last week.

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01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of great options here. It's gonna

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: take it's gonna take some time. Yeah, all right, we'll appretect.

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Speaker 1: You join us We'll be back next week. Next Wednesday,

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01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: we'll have more talk for you guys. I picked Chiefs

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01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: and um and ramsis Rams. All right, We'll see you

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01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: guys next week. Till then for Nick Eatman, Dave Helm

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Speaker 1: and AMers See. I'm Derek Hiltson. This has been The

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