1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Show, Getty Armstrong and 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Getty and Key Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: If there is no deal to reopen the government, the 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: FAA's mandating airlines reduced flights by up to ten percent 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: at forty of the country's busiest airports. 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Multiple airline officials. 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: Now tell me the Trump administration will start this off 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: at about a four percent cut, then ramp this up 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: to ten percent through next week. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's four percent today, a couple hundred flights. 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: If the shutdown continues, it'll go up up. By next Friday, 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: it'll be forty five hundred flights. And so it started today, 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 3: and we'll keep our eye on that and have more 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 3: on that later. 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 4: Here. 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: I'm strong Eyetty store is open for Christmas season. I 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: get uncomfortable talking about this. 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: Something about having my name on thing you buy for 21 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: Christmas makes me uncomfortable, even though I know a lot 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: of you want it, and you get people are fans 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: of the show and they would like it. But we 24 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: now have Armstrong in Getty pickleball paddles, among things wait 25 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: a minute, all the things in our story. A minute, 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: you go to Armstrong and getdy dot. 27 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: Com on one of those coffee mugs, water bottles. I'm 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: telling you the Fioliican party t shirts. 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: I want a hoodie that says starve the Lazy, That's 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: what I yes. So it's Friday. I don't know if 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: that means you're more likely to date or wish you 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: had a date. Probably, but it seems like a good 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: time to check in on hot dating trends with Katie Green. 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Katie Jeez. I set it up like a cable news segment. 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great. 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: This is from the USA Today talking about dating trends 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 4: have reached new lows this year. One of the new 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: ones that we haven't talked about is called throning. 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: Well, let's let's start with shreking, the one we have 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: talked about, just to get it out of the way. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: That is, you intentionally date. It's usually women dating guys. 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: Intentionally dated guy you don't find attractive, like he's a 43 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: Shrek looking character, because you think he'll treat you better, right, 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: which is one of the worst things I've ever heard 45 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: in my life. Because he's so he's feels like he's 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: so lucky to have you, he will treat. 47 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: You to hang on to you. Yes, yes, that's a 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: great basis for a healthy relationship. Yes, that'll go great. 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: So the fact that you are god every bit of 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: every phrase that comes to mind. I'm horrified by the 51 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: fact that you are lowering your standards because you think 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: he'll be feel so lucky to have you that he 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: treats you better than someone else. Is about as disgusting 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: a philosophy as I can imagine. But that's shreking. Okay, 55 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: So now what the hell is throwning? 56 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: So throning is when you date someone to raise your 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: own social status. So the goal is to land a 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: partner with clout so that your own image gets a boost. 59 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I think that's all. Every celebrity in the world knows 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: what that's about, right. 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: That's probably well, it's depends on how much if that's 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: your main motivation. Obviously that's an odd way to go 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: about getting relationships. But I think in general people want 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: to be in a relationship with somebody that is, you know, 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: a good a good example of society, right, I mean, 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: isn't that just in general you're hoping you date somebody 67 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: that if your friends or family met them, they think, well, 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: they are very they're very you know, contributing member of society. 69 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: Where it's more calculating than that, where that crosses into throning, 70 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 71 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I take this. 72 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: This came from some TikToker who talks about dating says 73 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: if a person seems overly focused on your status or 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: your social circle and changes their behaviors towards you, depending 75 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: upon what whether you're in public or private, this can 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: indicate throning. 77 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, many years ago, I was driving a really nice 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: car at the time, and I had a girl in 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: like the second date or whatever, says something to me. 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: I picked her up in a different vehicle than my 81 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: really nice car, and she said, I'd kind of prefer 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: to be seen in your. 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Other car when you pick me up. 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 3: And I thought, Oki, whoa, this isn't a good idea. 85 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: The next one they have here is bank seeing, which 86 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: derives its name from the elusive street artist Banksy. Like 87 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 4: a baffling Banksy art piece. Bank seeing in a relationship 88 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: involves slowly withdrawing emotionally from your partner without telling them 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 4: what you're doing. 90 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: All right, this is for Dack why are you doing this? 91 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: Is this to make them want you more? Or are 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: you just trying to get out of the relationship. 93 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: This seems like a really elusive way to get out 94 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: of a relationship. 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: This is what they're calling bank seeing now only withdrawing 96 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: because the fire is gone. That's called a relationship ending. 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak for our listeners. This is ridiculous. Everything 98 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: doesn't need a name. Everything isn't a trend. Slowly deciding 99 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: this isn't for me is not a trend. It's been 100 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: a trend since we crawled from the primordial ooze. I'll 101 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: not have this foolishness. 102 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 3: What Joe is doing is called rage talking right popular 103 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: thing now, it's a trend on middle. 104 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: Age right cold warrior? Do you mean nothing to do 105 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: with the Cold War? 106 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: When middle aged men get fed up with modern trends, 107 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: they do something called rage talking tread. 108 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Tread. When someone branded people inhaling, they're exhaling what they're 109 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: done inhaling its. 110 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: Tread only our listeners to see how red you're getting. 111 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: This is incredible. Yes, just a time for the Christmas 112 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: was supposed to be fun. Yeah, right, you're supposed to 113 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: lighten things up here, when someone employs the bank sying technique, 114 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: it says they start destroying the relation and ship before 115 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: the other person even sees it coming, because banksy selfish. 116 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: Again, you know, I'm sorry this this is dumb. Yeah right, 117 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: I had great promise, Like so many of my schemes 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: in life, it had great promise at the beginning. I think, 119 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: I think, I hope. Shreking is not a very popular thing, but. 120 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 4: It's the only one that's stuck around for a while, 121 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: the shreking. I haven't heard any of these until this 122 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: stupid article. 123 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: You are such can we just awful? These things under 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: the heading here's what shallow stupid people do? You know what? 125 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: We're too tolerant as a society. You've got to be 126 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: less tolerant. That's ugly, it's stupid, it's shallow. I weep 127 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: for you that you didn't have a healthy relationship that 128 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: you can use to model what your relationships are going 129 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: to be like. If you're any of those things. Stop 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: being it. Michael just stopped calling it a trend. Michael 131 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: or Jack? 132 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 4: Are you guys both getting joy out of the fact 133 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 4: that all of this is happening While Joe is wearing 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: his cut the crap T shirt because that is yeah, precisely. 135 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So. 136 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: Everything being online in social media and people communicating with 137 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: each other. I suppose, I suppose it would make sense. 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about this before. This is just off 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: the top of my head. But if our politics has 140 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: gotten dominated by the worst among us, why wouldn't relationship 141 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: trends get dominated by the worst among us for exactly 142 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: the same reasons. 143 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the worst or dopiest or shallowest among us. 144 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there are there are two more on this list, 145 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: but I don't want Joe to explode. 146 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna. 147 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: Take one edge of blood pressure pill and then Katie 148 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: will finish this off. 149 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: The go ahead quickly. They're dumb, like a medical procedure. 150 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: The sooner we started, the sooner. It's over ZIP coding, 151 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: all right, I can't even take it. Yeah, I see 152 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: the reef version of. 153 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: That, where people on dating apps will either stick only 154 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: to their ZIP codes or stick only outside. 155 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: Of their zip codes. What the hell? 156 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: Well, I can say see sticking two years zip code 157 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: just because you want somebody near those. 158 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: But there are other people that though, Yeah, but there 159 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 4: are other people that look specifically away from their own 160 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: zip code, which I would make more sense. 161 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: To me, might fit in with the that might fit 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: in with the stat we had a while back of 163 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 3: the percentage of people, particularly men on online dating sites, 164 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: who are freaking married. 165 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: Oh. 166 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: I was told by a woman the other day, she said, 167 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: you would not believe how many married men are on 168 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: the dating. 169 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: Website she's on. 170 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: She meets them and they talk and they're we're gonna 171 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: meet forgotty or whatever it is. And she does a 172 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: little research on them and turns out they they're married, 173 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: or she comes across husbands. 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: Of her friends, Oh gosh, and has to go tell 175 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: their friends. 176 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: Hey, you know, I hate to tell you this, but 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: your husband's on match dot Com looking for dates claiming 178 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: is single. 179 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that is so crazy. 180 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 4: There is an entire dating service dedicated to as Oh yeah, 181 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: sure this, I mean it came this came out years ago. 182 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 4: But Ashley Madison, Yeah, but the well, the idea is 183 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: just gross. You know, life is short have an affair 184 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 4: as their tagline. 185 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: Practically the oldest thing in the world is the idea 186 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: of an affair. But the idea that you're going on 187 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: to a dating website with your picture and everything while 188 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: you're married, claiman your single How do you think that's 189 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: going to end you? 190 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: Moron? 191 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: Not to mention the fact that it's an awful thing 192 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: to do. Yeah, embarrass your spouse horribly publicly. 193 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: I just I can't even believe that. I mean, so, 194 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: if that's true, and like I said, I know somebody 195 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: who's had this specific experience multiple times. 196 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: If that's going on, well maybe these other stupid things 197 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: are happening too, zeppelining or whatever we were talking about. 198 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 4: Here's the last one, Jodey deep breath. Okay, monkey barring. 199 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: It alludes to how in dating, people move from one 200 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: partner to the next partner, only letting go of the 201 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 4: previous once they've once they've sealed the deal. 202 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: With their next one. 203 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: I think that's a common emotional technique. Yeah, unfortunate, unfortunate also, 204 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: but it's called monkey barring. Now that's the trend. Not 205 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: a good idea according to any therapist. But monkey barring. Yes, 206 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: not everything needs name. It's not a trend. 207 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I promise an hour job until you got another 208 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: one lined up. 209 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, okay, well job's okay. I don't know 210 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: about the relationships that now, if you know you're done. 211 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: You gotta tell them you got it. That's true, you 212 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: got it. That's not cool. 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I think that's number fifteen or 241 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: something like that over the last several weeks. 242 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: Yikes, they're serious about it. I got a few details 243 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: on that, A lot of other stuff on the way. 244 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: Stay here. Some more news from Washington today. 245 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi announced that she won't seek reelection and plans 246 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: on retiring in two years at the age of eighty six, 247 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: or as it's known in congressional terms your tweens. 248 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: And no kidding, eighty six. Damn near ninety. That's wild. 249 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't paying attention wild Nancy Pelosi. She'll be eighty 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: six when she's doing eighty six. Yeah. Yeah, So, speaking 251 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: of elections and that sort of thing, I've been reading 252 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: about redistricting lately and how difficult it can be even 253 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: if people are of good conscience, and they're not Gavinusum, 254 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: it's you know, shameless partisan jerrymandering. And I've been reading 255 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: about this mathematician whose the gig is her field, is 256 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how heck to do redistricting in 257 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: a fair and logical way, and she mentioned something that 258 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I found really intriguing. There are rules that vary by state, 259 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: but they have what they refer to as the Big 260 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: six population balance, compactness, contiguity, meaning your neighbors more or less, 261 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: respect for existing civic boundaries like counties, cities, towns, respect 262 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: for communities of interest, racial fairness, et cetera. So there 263 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of layers to this. And obviously do 264 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: any of those things in most states, No, we certainly 265 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: don't do them honestly or in a good way. And 266 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: I thought this was really intriguing. I'm not sure it'll happen. 267 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: I think it would take a constitutional amendment. But they're 268 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: studying what they call proportional ranked ranked choice voting. Proportional 269 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: ranked choice voting also known as single transferable vote method 270 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: or STV in this scenario, you have multi member districts 271 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: using ranked choice. For example, because we talked earlier about California, 272 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: it's sixty forty Democrat Republican. Well, if every district is 273 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: sixty forty Democrat to Republican, Republicans will have zero representatives 274 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: in the House, and that's a problem. So this STV, 275 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: for example, not to be confused with STDs, something completely different, 276 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: but rather than one representative per each of nine districts 277 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, reduced the number of districts to three and 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: have each elect three representatives by a ranking method. That way, 279 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Massachusetts would probably get two or three rather than zero 280 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: Republicans in Washington, it's not common. The biggest American city 281 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: that uses STV is Portland, Oregon. It was a great 282 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: success in last November city council election. I'm told all 283 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: kinds of groups were able to elect their preferred candidates 284 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: in proportion the voting numbers, even though in a single 285 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: neighborhood they might be outnumbered. I thought that was intriguing. 286 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: Well, if you yeah, but you start here, we've had 287 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: four hundred and thirty five members of the House since 288 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: nineteen thirteen. 289 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: That makes no sense. What was the population in the 290 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: United States, then I don't know. Yeah, I remember, I've 291 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: seen those numbers that each representative went from representing, you know, 292 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: twenty five hundred people to now four hundred and fifty 293 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: thousand or whatever it is. Those numbers are not right, 294 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: but you get the idea. Yeah, it's it's a completely 295 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: different situation. 296 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: So in nineteen thirteen, the population of the country was 297 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: ninety seven million people, right, and now it's three hundred 298 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: and forty So that. 299 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: Makes no sense. 300 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: What you start there, right, we need if we wanted 301 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: to do it, if we thought that proportion was correct before, 302 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: we need to have And somebody figured this out. 303 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: I heard it the other day. 304 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: It might be this person you're quoting right here, because 305 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: there's a book out about it. But we should have 306 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: something like five hundred and ninety House members, right, yeah, 307 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: and we're not even close, And so that I think 308 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: that's the place to start. Every member would have a 309 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: much smaller population, and it'd be a lot easier to 310 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: be fair. 311 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: Have to have Donald Trump blow out of all of 312 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: the capitol and expand it, though, I mean, because you're 313 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: not going to fit all those people. Let's paying all 314 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: those damned salaries, although you know, as a fraction of 315 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: the federal government that's placed nothing. 316 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: But well, the original intent or the way it would 317 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: have been one hundred years ago, you could have easily 318 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: gotten a hold of your house member, had some sort 319 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: of relationship with them if you wanted to. 320 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: Get actual politics. That's impossible now. Yeah, getting back to 321 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: the STV thing, I really like the idea because the 322 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: two states I'm most familiar with politically would be Illinois, 323 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: my home state, in California, where the show is based 324 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: and has been for decades now. And in both of 325 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: those cases, you have populous cities that so dominate the 326 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: state politics they can do more or less whatever they want. 327 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: And you've got these enormous swaths of conservatism in both 328 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: states that go more or less unrepresentative unrepresented, And I 329 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: think if you add a just a well, you'd have 330 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: to draw those districts too, and that would probably become 331 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: every bit as corrupt and disgusting. But I like the 332 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: idea anyway, Coming up, our friends from the Pacific Legal 333 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Foundation on the Big Week at the Supreme Court. That's 334 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: next segment. Stay tuned if you can't grab the podcast. 335 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty on demand later on. 336 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: It's almost exactly ten times since we first had four 337 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five House members back in nineteen thirteen. 338 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: Back then, each House member represented about fifty five thousand people. 339 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: Now each House member represents about five hundred and fifty 340 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: thousand people. Wow, that's a completely different structure, right, That's 341 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: the first place to go to fix it, as far 342 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: as I'm concerned. Yeah, Yeah, got a lot of work 343 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: to do. Supreme Court heard some important arguments this week. 344 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: We talked about it a lot with the whole tariff thing. 345 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: Is the president got the power to do that or not? 346 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: If it turns out he doesn't, well that's going to 347 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: be a big change. 348 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big doings at the Scotis. We'll talk about it. 349 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 5: X stay with us, Armstrong and Getty. 350 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: I think she's an evil woman. I'm glad she's retiring. 351 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 6: I think she did the country a great service player recheer. 352 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 6: I think she was a tremendous liability for the country, 353 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 6: And I think she was an evil woman who did 354 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 6: a poor job to costs the country a lot in 355 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 6: damages and in reputation. I thought she was terrible. 356 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: So that's not the way our politics used to be 357 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: when Elder's graciousness as a leader retires. 358 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: I love to hear that. 359 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: When Elders Statesman used to step down on the other side, 360 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: you would, you know, the dedication to public service, blah 361 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: blah blah, you'd sail this stuff even if you hated him. 362 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: But we don't do that anymore, for better or worse. 363 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: And I go back back and forth on whether it's 364 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: better or worse. 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. 366 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: Maybe we're just saying the quiet power up part out 367 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: loud now, but everybody was always thinking. She called him 368 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: the other day vile and the worst thing on Earth. 369 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: So right, there you go, that's where we are. That 370 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: pretty much sums up where we are this week he 371 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: had from Nancy and Donald Trump. 372 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: Oh he's vile. 373 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: He's the worst thing on planet Earth, the worst thing 374 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: on planet Earth, he said, she's even when corrupt. 375 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: There you go, fair enough. So we're trying to connect 376 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: with Anastasia Boden of the Pacific Legal Foundation to talk 377 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: about the Supreme Court this week, and we'll track her 378 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: down quickly. But I saw this and was just amused 379 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: by it on a couple of different levels. On election night, 380 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: all right, I guess it was late Monday night, Greg Abbott, 381 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: the governor of Texas, tweeted when it was starting to 382 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: look like Mum Donnie was indeed gonna win the election 383 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: from mayor of New York, Abbot tweeted he would impose 384 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: a one hundred percent tariff on New Yorker's moving to 385 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Texas the polls close tomorrow night, I will impose one 386 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: hundred percent tariff on anyone moving to Texas from New 387 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: York City, which Jack, you're you're smiling. Obviously it's a joke. 388 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: It's it's funny. But here's why it matters. According to 389 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: one publication, tariffs are taxes on goods, not people, and 390 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: US states are not permitted to impose tariffs on imports 391 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: from other states, let alone people who. Further More, of 392 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has recognized the constitutional right to travel, 393 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And then they go into a 394 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: bunch of people breathlessly angry online both you know your 395 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: your unwashed masses and New York Governor Kathy hokel her 396 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: press office. Well, that's actually kind of a funny response, 397 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: political commentator Ed Krasenstein. This is illegal. MAGA has become 398 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: the party of violating the constitution. 399 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: Boy, So there weren't a ton of people just reacted 400 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 3: with you can't put a tariff on a person, so 401 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: let's not offend it. 402 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: Right, it was. It was a joke anyway, oh man, 403 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: speaking of tai rage real and manufactured. Yes, speaking of tariffs. 404 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: The oral arguments were this week before the Supreme Court 405 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: to whether or not the President has the right to 406 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: by himself up end the world economy the way it is. 407 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: And now we're going to get an expert view on 408 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: how that went based on an emergency measure for executive power. 409 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: S and d on a stage. Boden is a civil 410 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: rights attorney at the Fabulous Pacific Legal Foundation, where she 411 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: focuses on economic opportunity and equality before the law. On 412 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: a stage. Great to talk to you again. How are 413 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: you likewise? 414 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 5: I'm doing well? Life from DC. 415 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: Oh excellent, terrific. Don't let them steal your soul while 416 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: you're there. So the oral arguments before the Supreme Court 417 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: lengthy and really interesting on the tariff case. What was 418 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: your takeaway? 419 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's hard to get a red on the justices. 420 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 5: They had really hard questions for Solicitor General John Sower 421 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 5: and his position on Trump's tariffs. Trump, of course contends 422 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 5: that he can pass these wide reaching tariffs that have 423 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 5: been crippling American businesses under the International Emergency Economics Powers Act. 424 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 5: The challengers say, there's no emergency, because what's going on 425 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 5: here is Trump has cited the long standing trade deficit, 426 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 5: which has of course been in effect for years and 427 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: economically is relevant anyway. And he's also cited the OPIIG crisis, 428 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 5: which again long standing for years. So it's not some 429 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: new emergency to say that he can now pass these tariffs. 430 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 5: So the challengers say, hey, no emergency. In any way, 431 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 5: this statute does not give you that broad of authority 432 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 5: you can do. You can pass it in regulations, but 433 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 5: you can't slap tariffs on which tariffs are usually Congress's job. 434 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 5: And so it was just really surprising that a lot 435 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 5: of the justices had very tough questions for John Sower. 436 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 5: And it looks like, you know, I think there's three 437 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 5: justices comfortably with the government, three justices comfortably with the challengers, 438 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 5: and then three who are toss ups at the moment. 439 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: Well, to me, and I just read this yesterday, to me. 440 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: The slam dunk was getting the lawyer arguing for Trump's 441 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: side to admit that the way he's looking at it, 442 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: a democratic president could declare a climate emergency and put 443 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: all kinds of penalties on all kinds of things in 444 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: the same way if you're going to buy his reasoning, 445 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: and nobody, no conservative should want that. 446 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. That was a mic drop moment, and 447 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: questions came both from Justice Sodomar and from Justice Gorsich. 448 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 5: So Justice Gorsich, you know, who was a right appointed justice, 449 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 5: had the same question, like, Hey, didn't we just hear 450 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 5: a case a couple terms ago where Biden declared a 451 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 5: national emergency and then tried to alleviate magically with his 452 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 5: pen student loan debt, and didn't we say that's too much? 453 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 5: And now basically a president could do the exact same 454 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 5: thing under your theory. 455 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: Of the case. 456 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 5: And so I think that's going to give many justices 457 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 5: a tough time ruling for the president when that's now 458 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 5: the consequence. 459 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: And we also heard Ilina ca in tag teaming with 460 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: Amy Coney Barrett on a different topic, I mean trade, 461 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: do you think there are three justices that are comfortably 462 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: with the government at this point? Who are they. 463 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 5: I think it's Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Justice Cavanaugh. 464 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 5: You know, they are traditionally in favor of broad executive 465 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 5: power and deference to the executive even when there's declared 466 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 5: emergencies that might not really be emergencies, but you kind 467 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 5: of have to defer to the president's assessment that there's 468 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 5: an emergency. 469 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: Wow. 470 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 5: And they had the easiest questions, I think for for 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 5: the government. 472 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, if you're right, I mean I generally, I generally 473 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: agree with those guys. 474 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: But that'd be the end of the country if you 475 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: could just declare practically. 476 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: Anything an emergency and start in levy taxes. 477 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right, And that's you know, that is a 478 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 5: difficult thing. I mean, what's what's to stop a present 479 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 5: from going even further? And especially because you know, this 480 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 5: was one of the things the challenger said was, Hey, 481 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 5: Paris raise revenue, So what the difference between even tariffs 482 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 5: and taxes at this point? Can the government just raise revenue? 483 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 5: Can the president, I mean just raise revenue? And the 484 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 5: attorney for the government said, no, raising revenue is different. 485 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 5: This actually isn't intended to raise revenue. It's intended to 486 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 5: stimulate the economy. We don't care about revenue coming in. 487 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 5: We care about stopping trade, so our purpose is different. 488 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 5: And usually justices don't want to get in the business 489 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 5: of making, you know, drawing that type of line. They're 490 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 5: never going to come in and say, well, this one's different. 491 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 5: This time you're not actually raising revenue, or this time 492 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 5: you didn't mean to raise revenue. So it would effectively 493 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 5: be a blate check to the president. And yet I 494 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 5: think it's I think it's true those justices would rule 495 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: for the president at this point. And then you have 496 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 5: Justice Jackson, Justice Kagan, Justice Soda mayor comfortably against the government, 497 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 5: and the other three are tossups. 498 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: I can come up with so many horrible examples of 499 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: the way this could be used. Big school shooting gets 500 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: lots of national attention. The Democratic president declares school shootings 501 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: an emergency and puts a five hundred percent tariff for 502 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: tax or whatever on guns, for instance. 503 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: Right right, I you know, I just I believe Americans 504 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: of good conscience should hear the term emergency powers and 505 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: react as if their child had proposed getting a pet chimpanzee. 506 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: It's an automatic no unless the case is made with 507 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: brilliant clarity and and and bitter necessity, if you know 508 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: what I mean, just the phrase emergency powers should send 509 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: every American to grab their gads and flag and wave 510 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: it around anyway. Anastasia, Yeah, right, oh my god. Yeah, 511 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: executive overreach. It doesn't matter if it's your guy or 512 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: the other guy. Resistant nine to eleven. 513 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: All the things that got passed in the Patriot Act 514 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: after that that we didn't even know about. I mean, yeah, 515 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 3: emergency powers are scary. 516 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Anastasia boden is with a pacific legal foundation. Hey, one 517 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: question that's been asked a lot about this case, and Anastasia, 518 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: if you have no idea, feel free to stay so 519 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: is if the court rules against those tariffs, what happens 520 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: to all the money that was collected? 521 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that you know, that is a thing that 522 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 5: the statute says it should be repaid. And that's something 523 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 5: that the challengers are really worried about, right because because 524 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 5: that is going to weigh on the justice's mind. Are 525 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 5: we really going to put the government on the hook 526 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 5: for you know, millions, if not billions of dollars in 527 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 5: taxes that now have to be Well. 528 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 3: That's the pay that's one problem. The amount is one problem. 529 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: Who gets it the guy who bought the truck that 530 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: costs one thousand dollars more or the Ford dealer. Who 531 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't even imagine how you would unwind that. 532 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: Well, given the fact that we just discussed this Atastasia, 533 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: then I'll get out of your way. But we just 534 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: discussed this the other day, that the tariffs, the cost 535 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: of the tariffs are being picked up by a variety 536 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: of actors in a variety of levels, depending on what 537 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: product you're talking about. So it's unbelievably complicated. 538 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: It's a logistical nightmare. But the answer from the government 539 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 5: or from the challenger at oral argument was, hey, Congress 540 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 5: can fix this later. Kick the can like Congress kind 541 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 5: of you know, sweep that up later. We can all 542 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 5: fix that. That should not be a reason trule against this, 543 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: and of course it shouldn't. If the law says that 544 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 5: Trump couldn't do this, it doesn't matter what the consequences are. 545 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 5: You got gotta invalidate the act. 546 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep forgetting we have a Congress. They don't 547 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: do much, so you don't notice them on a Stasia, 548 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: a Boden anything else. Of note. At the Supreme Court 549 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: this week, this case kind of grabbed all the spotlights. 550 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 5: That absolutely overshadowed everything. It was. It was anything, it 551 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 5: was everything anybody was watching. I couldn't even get in. 552 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 5: People had lined up the day before for oral arguments. 553 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: But as you said, you know, these emergency powers, they're 554 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 5: on everybody's mind. It's one of the most famous statements 555 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 5: from constitutional law, from a Supreme Court opinion that emergency 556 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 5: powers beget emergencies. You know, the more that you get 557 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 5: you hand this power over, it will be used not 558 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 5: just during the administration you favor, but the next administration. 559 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 5: So it kind of dominated the headlines this week. 560 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: Well, you know that's great, and I think one of 561 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: the justices actually said that during the oral arguments that 562 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: emergency powers beget emergencies. You gotta hammer. You start looking 563 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: for something a hammer. It's just human nature on a station. 564 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: Boden of the Pacific Legal Foundation, Hey, thanks for the analysis. 565 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: We really appreciate it and save travels. 566 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having me. 567 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: Of course, love the Pacific Legal Foundation. They do great work. 568 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: It is a problem. 569 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: So in my mind it's absolutely one hundred percent clear 570 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: we can't be giving in these emergency powers to Donald 571 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: Trump because it'll come back Oh my god, if you're 572 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 3: if you're the biggest Trump fan in the world, this 573 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: will come back to haunt you in so many different ways. Yes, 574 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: with the next Democratic president, you could so see a 575 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: Joe Biden or a Barack Obama, especially when climate change 576 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: was a lot hotter than if you'll pardon the expression, 577 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: than it is now of like the prevailing wisdom. Oh 578 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: my god, the taxes and tariffs and penalties you could 579 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: have levied across the country with that as an emergency to. 580 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: Reward your cronies in the fake green energy world. I mean, 581 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: not that all of green energy is fake, it's certainly not, 582 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it could be just, oh my god, 583 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: less power, less power, not more. But I'm a little 584 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: disturbed to hear the KAVO make go that way. 585 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: But we'll say, but the other side of it being well, 586 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: then you got to unwind this to the tune of 587 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: billions of dollars. And there's no fair way you can 588 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: do that, because how about businesses who decided, well, I 589 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 3: just ate it. You know, I just made less profits 590 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: because I thought I needed to be more competitive with 591 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: my prices than my opponent who raised the prices. 592 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: So what do I get back right right, And in 593 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: most of these supply chains there are two to five 594 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: different entities that absorbed some or all of the cost 595 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: from the exporter and the fur and land to the 596 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: domestic consumer. So anyway, So on the other hand, that's 597 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: just that, what are you going to do? What a 598 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: tangled web we weave when first we decided to apply 599 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: illegal terrfs. In my opinion, well. 600 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: I think I still don't quite have the answer in this. 601 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: Why didn't Supreme Court jump on this, like the day 602 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: after Liberation Day? 603 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: We should ask Anastasia she didn't know Tim would know. 604 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta go through the motions. You gotta 605 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: get standing and have a lawsuit filed, and oh you 606 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: need multiple couple of briefs, two or three briefs at 607 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: the list. Everybody knows that. Okay, people are falling in 608 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: love with their chatbots. They actually The New York Times 609 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: had a serious article about that. I can't wait to 610 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: get into that. How ur three, What a weird story. 611 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 3: Among all the things on the way. 612 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 7: This one is the first one, and it is a 613 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 7: big deal because battleship has been around for a long time. 614 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 7: This was actually originally played with paper and pencil back 615 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 7: for a long time ago, and. 616 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Then slowly came along. This came along, sold one. 617 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 7: Hundred million of these, so very very popular, and became 618 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 7: one of the first electronic games. 619 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Here's another one inducted this year. Slime. No, this is 620 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: a post time. Slime is made by a lot of people. 621 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 7: So this is a general toy that got in taper 622 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 7: household growing up right there. 623 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: Pursue. 624 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: So the three toys going into the Toy Hall of Fame, 625 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: and I'm surprised the ones that haven't already made it 626 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: in there. But Battleship, you suck my Battleship, Trivial Pursuit 627 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: and Slime. God did I love Slime when it came out. Oh, 628 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: we had so much fun with that in our house. 629 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: What a great toy. Did they still make that or 630 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: did they? That's probably why I got them. 631 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, h that toy is childish. That toy that kid 632 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: is playing with us childish. I don't think they should 633 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: sell Battleship because it teaches militarism to children. Say, we 634 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: got to use suck colonial oppressor ideology. We had we 635 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: got a joke I want to get to but we 636 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: got to use suck text that I want to address, 637 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: and we get. We get lots of them, so I 638 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: can't get to them all. But you guys suck. 639 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 3: Trump is building our economy and returning businesses to America 640 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: through tariffs. That is the other example that forgot to mention. 641 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: That's one of the biggest problems. What if you're a 642 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: company that has already you know, bought the land or 643 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 3: broken ground or dedicated forty million dollars to building a 644 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: plant because you just decided, well, the only way I'm 645 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: going to be able to compete is bring the plant 646 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 3: here back to the United States, here in Indiana instead 647 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 3: of in Mexico or whatever. 648 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: But the new terrorists blah blah. 649 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: Blah like like was the point of the tariffs for Trump, 650 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: and then they become it turns out they're illegal, and. 651 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: Your competitor didn't do that. Oh that I would. I 652 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: would say, friend, that we're not the ones that suck. 653 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: Certainly at making arguments. You just excused a democratic far 654 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: left president from doing anything they want, exceeding their constitutional 655 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: powers if their goal is noble. That's not the way 656 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: it works. Brother or sister or neither or both. So 657 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: the thing these days. 658 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 3: Got a joke to play for you from Greg Guttfeld 659 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: last night. This is a pretty damned edgy joke I did. 660 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: I guess it took a quarter of a century before 661 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: you can make this sort of joke. You'll get it 662 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: when you go ahead through. 663 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 8: Since Zo ran one, there have already been a few 664 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 8: minor changes to the city. And get this, and get this, 665 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 8: LaGuardia Airport will now be offering direct flights into the 666 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 8: Freedom Tower. 667 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: Oh, it's a joke. It's a joke. That's an edgy joke. 668 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: That's an edgy joke in New York. I got Ramba. Yeah, 669 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: isn't it something? 670 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: Though, it's like other than that, how did you like 671 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: to play missus Lincoln? I mean, after a certain amount 672 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: of time, a gruesome tragedy becomes something you can joke about. 673 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 3: But it takes a certain amount of time. I'd say 674 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: with nine eleven it took like two decades. Yeah, that's 675 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 3: a joke, but not a funny one. It's a surprising 676 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: one and a shocking one. It's making a statement that 677 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 3: that joke was a statement that many of us are 678 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 3: highly concerned that someone who appears to be an out 679 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 3: and out Islamist is sympathetic to the people who did 680 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: what they did on nine to eleven. Right, almost impossible 681 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 3: to believe that he wasn't happy about that. 682 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: What nine to eleven? Yeah, it was a tiny child. 683 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: He would at his house he felt like, said, oh yeah, 684 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: if he felt like he was safe, he would explain 685 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: to you how the colonial oppressor US got would it deserved? Yeah, yeah, 686 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: So he'd mentioned this during the week. 687 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 3: Tesla's shareholders did approve that record setting pay package for 688 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 3: Elon Musk, granting him one trillion dollars an additional stock 689 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 3: if he hit certain milestone, the biggest package anybody's ever 690 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: had out there as a bonus package. And I heard 691 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: a bunch of communists yesterday arguing about then. And yet 692 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 3: people are hungry in the streets. 693 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: You know that. Shut up commies. I think that, honestly, 694 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: that amazing amount of money obscures the more significant development, 695 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: which is they have embraced Elon turning Tesla into a 696 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: robotics company an AI shut Com, Armstrong and Getty