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Speaker 1: Oh, it is a Tuesday. This will be the best

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Speaker 1: Herbert Herd Hierarchy. One hour from now on a Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: we are live. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be,

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Speaker 1: however you may be watching or listening. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: making us part of your day. Jmax, you and I

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Speaker 1: didn't have a very good week. It was a weird,

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Speaker 1: weird week. But when you dig deep on Detroit, you

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Speaker 1: know we talked about this brand new coordinators. Don't take

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Speaker 1: Week one to two seriously or the preseason. It looks

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Speaker 1: like they've righted the ship. They looked like Detroit the

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Speaker 1: last several years. Physically upfront, pushing people around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it what questions about the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you can answer it all right. So last night

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Speaker 1: was the perfect example of how you beat a superstar

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Speaker 1: quarterback when you're the road team. Detroit dominates time of possession,

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Speaker 1: they're aggressive on fourth down, they convert in the red zone,

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Speaker 1: no field goals, we're getting touchdowns. They bullied the home

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Speaker 1: Ravens for three and a half hours, super aggressive. And

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Speaker 1: you think of Baltimore as tough and physical and resilient.

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Speaker 1: Now this defense is just as soft as the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense. Baltimore's last in total defense. They surrender a

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Speaker 1: ton of yards. I don't want to hear about the

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Speaker 1: pass rushers they were missing. That wasn't about pass rushing

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Speaker 1: last night. They invested a lot of money in Kyle Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: Rokwan Smith or top to draft picks. They got over

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Speaker 1: one hundred million on defense, and then they're soft and

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Speaker 1: by week four and five in the NFL season, we're

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Speaker 1: getting to be a quarter of the way through it.

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Speaker 1: Some of your problems you can't solve unless at the

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Speaker 1: trading deadline you take a big swing. So this was

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Speaker 1: three and a half hours of total domination. It may

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Speaker 1: have been thirty eight to thirty, it felt like forty

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Speaker 1: eight to seventeen. And here's the weird thing is that

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is so explosive that when he does lead

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Speaker 1: a scoring drive, it's often very quick. So they send

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Speaker 1: that crappy defense back on the field. They don't get

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Speaker 1: any rest. So the Ravens bizarrely have the second fewest

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Speaker 1: total offense, so they don't play complimentary football. And if

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Speaker 1: you look at the last ten Super Bowls, which is

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Speaker 1: twenty total teams, there's been one awful defense Atlanta. What

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Speaker 1: happened to Atlanta in that Super Bowl? A huge lead,

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Speaker 1: you're not a Super Bowl team with that defense. So

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Speaker 1: the Ravens have a huge dilemma, which I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's solvable, is that they score because they're so

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Speaker 1: dynamic with Lamar Jackson, He's so gifted. They score quickly,

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Speaker 1: and then the defense doesn't get a rest. It goes

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Speaker 1: right back onto the field. It's not complimentary football. Like

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Speaker 1: last year, the Lions defense stunk, but the Lions were

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Speaker 1: number two in the league last year in time of possession,

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Speaker 1: Plus they got a Derreck Henry fumbles in imperfect times issue.

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Speaker 1: So and again by week four, week five, you know

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Lions had ninety six yard drive and

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Speaker 1: if you look at the Baltimore game, their defense against

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Speaker 1: three times, three times out of thirteen total possessions. So

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Speaker 1: I went this morning and looked at the Ravens defense,

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Speaker 1: their NFL rank, their last thirtieth, thirty first and everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were missing a double pass rushers. That wasn't about

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Speaker 1: score too quickly. If you are weak defensively. We've talked

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Speaker 5: The biggest problem is we didn't play good run defense.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't as a defense complete. We didn't

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Speaker 5: There's nobody in that locker room that thinks that's good enough.

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Speaker 5: That's disappointing, that's bad run defense, and that's not who

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Speaker 5: it's not gonna be good enough. It's not going to

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Speaker 1: So again, when you get to this point of the season,

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Speaker 1: a corner. Ravens have to figure out something defensively. Now

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Speaker 1: they will have pass rushers return, which could help them

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Speaker 1: in close games late if they have a lead, But

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Speaker 1: right now this defense is just not good and they've

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Speaker 1: invested in it, and it was a major problem last night.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Lions. Let's give him some credit. So there's

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Speaker 1: a big difference. It's a fine line, but there is

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Speaker 1: He's never wavered on what he does. He's go for

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Speaker 1: thought Dan was reckless in his first couple of years

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Speaker 1: because going forward on fourth down with average players is dumb.

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Speaker 1: Detroit drafts really well. They got a great front office.

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Speaker 1: Going for it last night. I would have run. I

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Speaker 1: think we all thought they were gonna run. But on

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Speaker 1: kind of the double pitch, and then that they throw

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Speaker 1: Both of those caught you off guard. They don't have

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Speaker 1: don't have a touch push. They have a golf hands

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Speaker 1: And Dan Campbell took over a very flimsy franchise. The

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Speaker 1: Lions always had talent, Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford, Calvin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Dan came into a fault and said, we're gonna be tough,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but going forward on fourth down, it's

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Speaker 1: got a Jim Harbaugh field to it. It's completely authentic,

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Speaker 1: and he's not wavering. This is who he is. Home

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Speaker 1: And here's Dan Campbell after.

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Speaker 6: I got a tremendous amount of trust in those guys,

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Speaker 6: and that that's been built up now in five years

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Speaker 6: you're right, and that helps. And that offensive line the

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Speaker 6: way they were playing, and we just felt like that

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Speaker 6: was we felt like that was the right call. And

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Speaker 6: it's man, it's those guys. It's the players, man, They're

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Speaker 6: they've earned that trust, you know, and they just once again, man,

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Speaker 6: they step up and make huge plays at critical times,

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Speaker 6: and it's I mean, it's unbelievable. It really is. It's

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Speaker 6: a thing of beauty.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the best teams in this league,

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Speaker 1: you almost never ask what are they like the Chargers

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Speaker 1: in hardball, what are they? Physical? Aggressive? What are the Lions?

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Speaker 1: You have never asked what Dan Campbell like, what are

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Speaker 1: they They've had bad they've had bad defenses. You always

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Speaker 1: best days of the Ravens when they were winning Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: they were physical. You didn't want to play the Ravens

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Speaker 1: like the Patriots would go into games. But Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: said it, Yeah, I didn't really love playing those teams.

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Speaker 1: That those teams you felt you were sore the next

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Speaker 1: three days. And that's a big part. Like the Tush

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Speaker 1: push the Eagles, you never doubt what they are, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talented players in this league. But

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Speaker 1: you kind of know what they are and what they

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Speaker 1: stand for. Eber Flus, head coach of the Bears, what

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Speaker 1: were they? They weren't even good on defense all the time.

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins, they're fast. You never asked

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Speaker 1: a complimentary football team. You cannot win Super Bowl. You

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Speaker 1: can't win a World Series with a bad bullpen. You

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Speaker 1: can't leak runs in the seven, eighth, and nine. You

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Speaker 1: can't win a Super Bowl with a really bad defense,

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Speaker 1: because even if you outplay a team like Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, you'll subsequently give up that You'll give that

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Speaker 1: and unlike no, that team can't win a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: at their current state, at their current roster. I don't

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Speaker 4: It's interesting. I think they started zero to two last

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Speaker 4: year and then peeled off five in a row. But

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Speaker 4: there's only six teams in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Colin right now with a winning record, that's it.

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Speaker 4: And one of them is like the Colts, you know,

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Speaker 4: and the other with Jaguars. So the AFC is actually down,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like Baltimore is maybe finding themselves early.

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Speaker 1: I have a theory on this, Okay, So in the

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Speaker 1: last two years, I believe the NFC is caught up

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Speaker 1: and surpassed the AFC. So what happened was AFC team

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of bad AFC teams like Buffalo

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Speaker 1: a very good team. And at Chargers, what are they?

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is getting old? They were a lot. And

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Speaker 1: then all these AFC teams hit on quarterbacks Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Well, I mean to some degree,

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Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrences, justin Herbert. So when you didn't have

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Speaker 1: was all these great quarterbacks on rookie deals. Then Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City is Cincinnati, Buffalo. Now you have to pay

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Speaker 1: your star quarterbacks. What happens those teams in the AFC's

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Speaker 1: rosters aren't very good. The NFC, many of the teams

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Speaker 1: Well, no quarterback in the last two decades for the

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Speaker 3: true receivers and sometimes you take them for granted. But

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Speaker 3: that play, No, I break out of the pocket, and

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Speaker 3: I know that he's the first to react.

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Speaker 7: He sees what I'm doing and takes off.

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Speaker 3: And you know, as long as you're the first to react,

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Speaker 3: and you've got to to make something happen downfield.

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Speaker 7: And even if it is a fifty to fifty ball.

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Speaker 3: Keenan Allen, you know, he's he's a huge body, he's

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Speaker 3: he's so talented and athletic. I know he's going to

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Speaker 3: go fight for that ball. And didn't see the actual catch,

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Speaker 3: but watching it on the replay.

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Speaker 7: Was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. By the way, Oregon's at Penn State

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Speaker 1: this weekend. It's gonna be the biggest game of the

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Speaker 1: college football weekend. How can you do you have time

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Speaker 1: to ever watch those games?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I always make time to watch Oregon.

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Speaker 3: You know, growing up a Duck fan playing there, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's been so fun to watch them play. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of the cool thing about going

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Speaker 3: to the Big ten and playing all these these fun

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Speaker 3: teams is you're gonna go to the East Coast and

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have some big games, and you know, not

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Speaker 3: always was that the case in the Pac twelve And

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Speaker 3: you know, I know the Ducks are really excited and

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Speaker 3: and you know, Eugene is loving it too, so it's

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Speaker 3: really cool to see.

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Speaker 1: So our graphics department thought they were very funny yesterday

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Speaker 1: because I said, you and Harbaugh's as good as Reid

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Speaker 1: and Mahomes. It's just a perfect If Jim could go

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Speaker 1: to a lab and build a quarterback, and I swear

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Speaker 1: to God he would build you humble, coachable, hard work

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Speaker 1: and tough. You were, Jim. You just have a better

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Speaker 1: arm than Jim had. And so so our graphic department

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Speaker 1: thought it was very funny, and they made up all

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Speaker 1: these Simon and Garfunkle and yo, you guys. They just

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Speaker 1: thought that was the funniest thing in the world. What

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Speaker 1: else do we have? Mario and Luigi I think was

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Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, there we go. When you look at Horrball.

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Speaker 1: If somebody never met Jim and you said, hey, Colin,

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Speaker 1: come on over to my place. I want to introduce

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Speaker 1: you to my head coach, Jim Harbaugh. Would you warn me?

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Speaker 1: What would you say about Jim Harra as somebody that

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Speaker 1: got Batman and Robin? What would just say to me

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Speaker 1: if I'd never met Jim Harball, how would you explain him?

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Speaker 3: I would say, this guy loves football. I've never met

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Speaker 3: anyone that loves football more than he does. He thinks

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Speaker 3: about football when he wakes up, and thinks about football

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Speaker 3: when he goes to bed, and he wants to win.

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Speaker 3: And I think the coolest thing about him is he's

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Speaker 3: a competitor. If we have any games going on, he's

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Speaker 3: gonna try.

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Speaker 7: And beat you.

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Speaker 3: Whether we're playing ping pong, whether we're you know, playing cornhole,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 7: He's going to do.

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Speaker 3: Everything he can to win, and he's going to find

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Speaker 3: you know your weaknesses. He's going to watch film, oney,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna ask questions, and he loves the game.

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Speaker 1: So it's really cool to see fifteen seconds. Has he

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Speaker 1: ever been mad at you?

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Speaker 3: There are definitely been times where he's mad at me,

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Speaker 3: whether I'm throwing the ball downfield irresponsibly, laid over the middle,

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Speaker 3: you know. He tells me to just check the ball down,

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Speaker 3: you know, go to the next play and be smart

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Speaker 3: with the ball. But there are definitely times where we're

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Speaker 3: talking about practice in the game.

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Speaker 7: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, it's great seeing you. You look fantastic. You're

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Speaker 1: crushing it. Try to stay upright between you and Lamar.

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Speaker 1: I don't like my star quarterbacks getting hit like that.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on all your success.

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Speaker 7: I'll do my best. Thanks again for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, Justin Herbert one of the truly great guys.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. We are lucky that all the

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Speaker 1: star quarterbacks in this league. It can be Lamar, it

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Speaker 1: can be Mahomes, it's Herbert, it's Jalen Hurts. How lucky

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Speaker 1: are we? They're all good dudes, They're all I mean

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Speaker 1: to be that young, good looking, rich and that good

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Speaker 1: of a dude. We're lucky, all of us, heard Hierarchy,

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Speaker 1: Nick Kraig. He's not gonna like the Herd Higherarchy to

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Speaker 1: get contentious.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a em Pacific, heard Hierarchy.

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Speaker 7: No go the top ten.

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Speaker 2: NFL teams according to College number ten.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Baltimore at ten the Chiefs despite a

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Speaker 1: winner eleven. Why because Baltimore is a road favorite. Baltimore

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Speaker 1: is the better offensive team, and like the NBA, the

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Speaker 1: NFL is an offensive league. First, they're scoring thirty seven

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Speaker 1: a game. The problem is their defense is basically the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys without the star on the helmet. They got

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Speaker 1: bullied for three and a half hours and they spent

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Speaker 1: money on it. Five of their six highest paid players

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Speaker 1: are on defense, so they've got a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a dilemma. And they score so quickly that they always

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Speaker 1: just send that bad defense back out on the field.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put them at ten Chiefs of eleven, number

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Speaker 1: nine the Bucks. Now their schedule gets tougher. The fact

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Speaker 1: that they have to go to the whistle to beat

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Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Jets does not, you know, feel

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Speaker 1: great coming up now with the Eagles and the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: the lines, the Niners coming up. They've been doing it though,

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Speaker 1: missing three offensive linemen and Chris Godwin, Baker Mayfield like

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Speaker 1: a Sam Darnold, has established himself as a legit franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Eleven straight games with one hundred plus rushing yards. That

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Speaker 1: is hard to do in this league, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: missing many top offensive linemen. I have the Bucks at nine,

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Speaker 1: number eight, the Niners at eight. Maybe it's a bit high.

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones is the current starter now Bosa is gone

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Speaker 1: for the year. Listen Ricky Pearsall has emerged as a

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Speaker 1: really nice weapon. Two of their wins, though, are against

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals at home and the Saints, and they don't

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Speaker 1: have a by until Week fourteen. This team could use

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Speaker 1: a bye now, but the coach, the quality of offense,

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey pearsall Kittles coming back. I put him at eight

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Speaker 1: number seven. Here's what we learned about the Lions. If

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Speaker 1: you have new coordinators, don't count the preseason, the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame game or Week one since then, nine hundred

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Speaker 1: total yards last night was not as close as the

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Speaker 1: score indicated. Jamier Gibbs and David Montgomery are an unblievable

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Speaker 1: running back tandem. Eleventh career game. They both scored a

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Speaker 1: rushing touchdown Aiden hushes In, and that defensive front gobbled

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Speaker 1: up Lamar Jackson. They are twelve and two in primetime games,

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Speaker 1: beating the best Monday Night quarterback ever last night, Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Lions at seven number six. Well, I think the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: are a handful Kenneth Walker highest reated running back, Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold PFF highest redted quarterback, and it does look like

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Speaker 1: JSN is a number one receiver. But it's the defense

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Speaker 1: that makes them the second best point differential in the league.

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Speaker 1: They have held all three opponents to seventeen points for

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Speaker 1: fewer and a lot of credit goes to John Snyder,

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Speaker 1: the GM who has had back to back to back

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Speaker 1: very good drafts. They're not even paying a lot of

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Speaker 1: these top defensive guys Seahawks at six, number five, Listen,

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Speaker 1: the Rams can't beat the Eagles one in six Sean

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Speaker 1: McVeigh against the Eagles, they win seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: their other games. Their defense is young, inexpensive, and excellent

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Speaker 1: most sacks in the NFL. Offense scored on six straight

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Speaker 1: drives to take a huge lead against the Eagles. They've

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Speaker 1: got weapons at tight end, wide receiver Devonte Adams. People

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Speaker 1: aren't talking about it enough. He's just gonna keep getting better.

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Speaker 1: But they don't match up with Philadelphia because they've got

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Speaker 1: no corner big enough to stop aj Brown.

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Speaker 2: Number four.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers great red zone defense, so when you can

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Speaker 1: drive against them, they are the stingiest red zone defense

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Speaker 1: in the league. Amarion Hampton looks like he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a real deal. Keenan Allen does this guy ever? Age?

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Speaker 1: Number two? Passing offense, they're asking more of Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: now he's getting hit way too much. But Quinton Johnson

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Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be a bust. He's emerged as a

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Speaker 1: big time downfield threat. I like their culture and their toughness.

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Speaker 1: Chargers at four, Number three, Packers listen fewest yards per

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Speaker 1: play allowed Green Band. It's one of my favorite stats

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Speaker 1: in the league. They don't allow you any yards. They've

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Speaker 1: held all three opponents in twenty twenty five in the

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Speaker 1: NFL under two hundred and fifty total yards. Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: it's his first pick in a regular season game in

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Speaker 1: ten games. It was a stinker. They came in flat,

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Speaker 1: they had extra days off, and Cleveland's got an excellent defense.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that worries me they're not running

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Speaker 1: the football as well as they should, but I think

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Speaker 1: the Pack still have a chance to hoist a Lombardi.

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Speaker 1: Number two Buffalo, It's almost crazy. Twenty five straight games.

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Speaker 1: They've won the turnover battle right now. Over the last

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Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen games. Josh Allen's doing something that's hard

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Speaker 1: to do. You get all the upside and literally no turnovers.

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Speaker 1: They have the best Super Bowl odds. I don't love

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Speaker 1: their defense on the back end, but I don't like

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Speaker 1: the Ravens defense anywhere. I have Buffalo at number two,

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Speaker 1: number one. They have really bad halfs like this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: But it is the best roster in the league. They

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Speaker 1: could probably at the trade deadline go and get another corner,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Nick Seriani, I didn't get it, but

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Speaker 1: the team does. And Jalen Hurts maybe a little small,

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00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: but he throws well up the sideline. Toughness and leadership,

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Speaker 1: best third and fourth down team in the league, best roster,

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Speaker 1: most aggressive GM. Here is the Herd hierarchy. I take

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Speaker 1: the Ravens over Kansas City Chiefs at eleven due to

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Speaker 1: the fact the Ravens are the road favorite, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's an offensive league and they've got an incredibly

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Speaker 1: dynamic offense.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. He does a remarkable job for us. Fourteen

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Speaker 1: years in the NFL, three time pro bowler, a Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports analyst, kind of enough to take some time for

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Speaker 1: us today. My friend Greg Olsen now joining us. We've

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Speaker 1: been bringing him on since. I may have brought him

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Speaker 1: on when he was a hurricane. By the way they look,

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Speaker 1: they look physical, holy got her throwing people at Miami

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Speaker 1: for the front and I mean, they're legit. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to that in a second. They're legit. They passed the

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Speaker 1: eye test. So I said, you know, when Dan Campbell

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Speaker 1: came in, I thought he's kind of reckless because I

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Speaker 1: didn't like their personnel. Now it's like an all star team.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you should go for it all the

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Speaker 1: time on fourth when they went forward on fourth and two,

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Speaker 1: and it was funny because Troy Aman was like, man,

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Speaker 1: he's got to set on them, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what they are. Like, I know, you're

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Speaker 1: a believer in this. Like, I think the whole identity

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Speaker 1: of the franchise in Detroit is you know, we're aggressive.

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Speaker 1: We are an aggressive franchise. I think it's a great brand.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Yeah, so, I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: levels to it.

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Speaker 10: At no point in that game that I think if

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Speaker 10: they got in this situation that they weren't going to

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Speaker 10: go for it right, it was just a matter of

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Speaker 10: what play did they have. They have an entire section

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Speaker 10: on the play sheet for those gotta have it moments,

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Speaker 10: the fourth and ones. The fourth and two's the goal

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Speaker 10: to go situations that is not decided upon in the

648
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Speaker 10: moment they have them ranked. First time we're in this situation,

649
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 10: it's this call, and then they just work their way

650
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 10: down the list. They probably carry more of those calls

651
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 10: than most teams because they're in that situation.

652
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Speaker 7: But I think there's multiple factors.

653
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Speaker 10: I think your point I heard you before the break

654
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 10: about the culture and the identity. Since Dan Campbell took

655
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 10: over in Detroit, there has been no wavering that that

656
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 10: was going to be what they are. They believe in it.

657
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 10: He believes in his players. There is no doubt in

658
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 10: the huddle amongst the eleven guys in the huddle. When

659
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Speaker 10: they get tackled short on third down, they don't look

660
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Speaker 10: to the sideline.

661
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 7: They don't start walking off.

662
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 10: The punt team doesn't start walking on, or the field

663
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Speaker 10: goal unit like there's not even a consideration.

664
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Speaker 7: Number one.

665
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Speaker 10: That's super powerful Number two. And this, I think is

666
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 10: the biggest point around the league. You look at how

667
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 10: many games are won and lost because teams decide every

668
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 10: time you kick the ball, a punt or a field goal,

669
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Speaker 10: your chance of winning that game goes exponentially down. And

670
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Speaker 10: that's just the nature of the game teams that built.

671
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Speaker 10: You know, you look at Sirianni. I did the Eagles

672
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 10: game the other day. They were only in that game

673
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 10: because they forced six field goals, they blocked two of

674
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 10: them of the Rams in a game that the Rams

675
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 10: for three quarters of it pretty much dominated. So it

676
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 10: takes a strong personality as a coach to stand at

677
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 10: the podium him in a playoff game like Dan Campbell.

678
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 7: Had to do a couple of years ago.

679
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Speaker 10: We called that game where the fourth downs ended up

680
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 10: biting them and they lost the game, and he had

681
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 10: to stand up there, tall and proud and heartbroke in

682
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 10: and say I would do it again. Those are the

683
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 10: guys you believe in. Those are the guys that this

684
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 10: is not just a flash of the pan. It's baked

685
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 10: into every decision they make, and in my opinion, it's

686
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 10: the only way to play NFL football in today's day.

687
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you let's let's talk about that. We

688
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: both love Sean McVay and we both love Stafford and

689
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: they have really nice skill players. When McVeigh kept settling

690
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: for field goals when it was happening because you had

691
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: that game, why do they do that? Is it a

692
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: belief that, you know what, we've got a better game

693
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: plan are in defense. I kind of thought watching the game, well,

694
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: they just don't think Philadelphia is going to be able

695
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: to come back, so let's just keep adding three.

696
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Speaker 10: That was my take. Yours, Yeah, there seems to be

697
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 10: And I don't think this is unique to McVeigh. I

698
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 10: think mcveigh's in the conversation of the top two to

699
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 10: maybe three, if not, he's in the top three, no

700
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 10: question in my mind, as the best coaches in the NFL,

701
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 10: and I think universally amongst his peers.

702
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 7: That's how he's regarded.

703
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 10: I think in a game like that, when you start

704
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 10: fast and you score early and then your every time

705
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 10: you score, you're just increasing your lead. When the opposing

706
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 10: team's offense is struggling as much as Phillies was in

707
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 10: the first half. The human nature is my defense is

708
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 10: really strong. That LA defense is for real now, Like

709
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 10: they're really young and super talented. They've hit that, they've

710
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 10: hit it out of the park with those draft picks

711
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 10: the last couple of years. But I'm always of the

712
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 10: opposite belief, like, if I think my defense is superior,

713
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 10: I'm going to give them the short end of the stick.

714
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 10: You know, how often do we hear so this is

715
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 10: kind of a larger level question, Colin, but like, how

716
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 10: often do we hear coaches say, why.

717
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 7: Did you punt at midfield?

718
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 10: Well, my defense was playing so well, so I decided

719
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 10: to punt and play the field position battle. And I

720
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 10: sit there and say, if your defense is playing so

721
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 10: well and your offense is the side of the ball

722
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 10: that might be struggling. So not necessarily the case for

723
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 10: the Rams in that one particular game, but just in general,

724
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 10: give your offense the extra down. Give your offense tip

725
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 10: the scales in their favor, and if one side of

726
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 10: the ball does have to carry the load for a

727
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 10: little while, make it the team. Make it the side

728
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 10: of the ball that you're telling everybody has been so dominant.

729
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 10: Why give your defense the short field in that situation

730
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 10: and not give your offense an extra down? And I

731
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 10: think that's what teams are starting to realize. You see

732
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 10: Sirianni on their opening drive touchdown. Now, granted they have

733
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 10: the ultimate X factor play in the quarterback sneak, they

734
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 10: go for two fourth downs, they end up with an

735
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 10: opening drive touchdown and start the game strong. So, like

736
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Speaker 10: I think We're going to continue to see teams understand

737
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 10: field goals get you beat if no matter how well

738
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 10: you think your defense is playing, if you continue. I

739
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 10: told you this in the break, if I was a

740
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 10: head coach, unless it was the walk off field goal

741
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 10: to win the game or take the lead lead, or

742
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 10: if it was a fourth and ten plus, it would

743
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 10: never kick a field goal less than thirty five yards.

744
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 10: I just think it's a wasted opportunity of getting down

745
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 10: in the red zone. And I think we're going to

746
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 10: see more teams adopt that strategy.

747
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: So you're lucky. You got to go to Dublin, Ireland,

748
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: which is it's just a great place to go for anything.

749
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: It could be a Guinness Irish whiskey or a football game.

750
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: It's just a great place to go. And you have

751
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: the Vikings and the Steelers. And I think the Vikings

752
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: are a fascinating team because I've watched this with Donald

753
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: and Baker. Is that their careers get resurrected and this

754
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: didn't happen ten to fifteen years ago. My take is

755
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: there are so many smart young offensive coaches. The beneficiary

756
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: of that is these quarterbacks who get drafted by the

757
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Jets and go to the Panthers Donald or it's Baker

758
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: and he's not quite mature enough in Cleveland. He goes

759
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: to la and then he finds Tampa is that it's

760
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: giving guys. This used to be a total outlier. Then

761
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: now it's happening all the time because there's so many

762
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: good offensive coaches. And I argue this last week, I said, well,

763
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz can play. And how do I know that?

764
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: Because all the coaches that like him are all these

765
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: Rerealdy smart offensive guys, and they're like all put Carson

766
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Wentz on my roster. So you're looking at tape now,

767
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I think today he's better than JJ McCarthy. Maybe not

768
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: in eight weeks, maybe not next year. Today when you

769
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: look at film, can you go on a five game

770
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: winning streak with Carson Wentz in Minnesota?

771
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think if the Vikings have proved one thing,

772
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 10: if Kevin O'Connell has proved one thing, and they've proved

773
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 10: many things in his time in Minnesota, it's I'm not

774
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 10: sure there is a coach in the league, a head

775
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 10: coach for sure, or an offensive coordinator who gets the

776
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 10: most out of their quarterback within their system and blends

777
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 10: the idea of play caller quarterback whisper, confidant, mentor enough

778
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 10: to kick him in the behind and get him going,

779
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 10: but also when.

780
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 7: It's time to put their arm around them.

781
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 10: He has such a unique quality to check all of

782
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 10: those boxes.

783
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 7: It sounds like that would be the given.

784
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 10: But as we all know, a lot of those quarterbacks

785
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 10: you just mentioned did not enter into those kind of

786
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 10: organizations with that kind of fit earlier in their career.

787
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 10: I mean, look what he did with Cousins, and obviously

788
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 10: Cousins goes in free agency and gets the big deal

789
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 10: post injury with Atlanta. Then what he does last year

790
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 10: with Sam who goes and gets a huge contract in Seattle.

791
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 10: Now you know JJ McCarthy, he gets hurt, and now

792
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 10: in comes Carson Wentz, who hasn't been a starter in

793
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 10: this league. He's been on six teams I think, or

794
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 10: whatever it's been like. And again this was a one

795
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 10: game sample size. Can they continue to do that week

796
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 10: in a week out. We'll find out this week in Ireland.

797
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 10: But he has such a unique quality where yes he

798
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 10: has the x's and o's, yes he has the schematic advantage,

799
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 10: but it's all the other stuff. It's the Sean McVay qualities.

800
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 10: It's those are just really unique guys and there's just

801
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 10: not many of them. And again this is a larger question,

802
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 10: but that's why when you get an opportunity to get

803
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 10: him in your building and you got to hire him

804
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 10: away from LA, you got to make them your head coach.

805
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 10: And you see why teams are going towards young offensive

806
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 10: minds on the head coaching search. And it gets into

807
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 10: that whole conversation. When you have a guy like Kevin

808
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 10: O'Connell and obviously the talent on the roster, your ability

809
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 10: to weather quarterback change injuries is just bigger than most

810
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 10: not everybody, but it's bigger than most teams around the league.

811
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 10: And Kevin O'Connell has proven to be as good, if

812
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 10: not better than any coach in the league in regards

813
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 10: to developing and getting the best out of his quarterback.

814
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: So I said, being a quarterback in Chicago is harder

815
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: than Buffalo. So when Josh Allen's first year and a half,

816
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: he was completing fifty six percent of his throws, had

817
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: more picks than touchdowns. They've been to multiple Super Bowls,

818
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: they had Jim Kelly. There is a sense, Hey it's

819
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: a small market. It's the media is kind of supportive.

820
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: We're going to make Josh Allen work. He's too talented.

821
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: In Chicago. I mean, it's loud. The guy's up north,

822
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: a thirty minute train ride up north. Green Bay have

823
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: owned you for three decades. And even though Caleb had

824
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns and six picks, had amazing moments like, there's

825
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: this sense that if you don't get it right this year,

826
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: we're moving on. And I think to myself, I wish

827
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: Chicago had a little buffalo. The media wasn't as loud,

828
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: the organization didn't suffer from a neighbor up north being dominant.

829
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: How long? Because I think Caleb is going to be

830
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: like Josh. I think it's going to take time, tons

831
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: of horsepower, great freelancer. I think it's going to take

832
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: some years. How long do you give him?

833
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 10: Well, I'll say you based off this past weekend against Dallas.

834
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 10: I caught parts of the game. I was traveling home

835
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 10: for my game, so I only saw parts of it.

836
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 10: The parts that I saw, he looked great. I mean,

837
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Speaker 10: I call it, and granted it's a preseason game. The

838
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 10: only time I got to see him up close and

839
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 10: personal this year was in a preseason game where they

840
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 10: blew out Buffalo, And again, preseason games are always tricky.

841
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 10: You kind of got to read through the tea leaves

842
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 10: as far as how the whole matchup were out. But

843
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 10: I think Ben Johnson is as brilliant an offensive mind

844
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 10: as there is in the game of football. I felt

845
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 10: that way now for a couple of years. I think

846
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 10: it's going to take as much as it's going to

847
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 10: take Kayleb Williams time to continue, I think it's going

848
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 10: to take Ben Johnson time to figure out, all right,

849
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 10: what works with this personnel group, what works in this

850
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 10: locker room, what works in these meetings, what works in

851
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 10: these installs.

852
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 7: Like as as much.

853
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 10: Success as he's had in his time as a play

854
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 10: caller in Detroit, and as much time as Kayleb Williams

855
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 10: and a success he had in college, it doesn't always

856
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 10: just automatically translate to the next place, because every place

857
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 10: is uniquely different and every place has their strengths and weaknesses.

858
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 10: Ben Johnson is still working through what that looks like

859
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 10: being the head coach in Chicago. Everything you just said

860
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 10: is spot on. I played there for four years. I

861
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 10: understand firsthand, what expectations and the noise and the media.

862
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 7: It's real.

863
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 10: It's not an easy place to play. I think Ben

864
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 10: Johnson's personality and demeanor is a good fit.

865
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 7: I don't think he.

866
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 10: Worries too much about outside noise. I think he's very

867
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 10: internally confident. I think as Ben Johnson continues to push

868
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 10: Caleb Williams and coach them hard and hold them accountable,

869
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 10: I think we're going to steadily see and improved Caleb

870
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 10: Williams overtime.

871
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 7: Now, what is that ceiling?

872
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 10: Physically, the ceiling is as high, as high as anybody

873
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 10: Kenny tie all of it together. Obviously, time will tell.

874
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 10: I don't know if any of us really can predict it.

875
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 10: But Ben Johnson didn't take that job because he didn't

876
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 10: think Caleb Williams was going to be a good player.

877
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 10: That was all baked into that decision. And I think

878
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 10: it's just here we are, three weeks in. We've seen

879
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 10: a lot of good They did really well against Dallas,

880
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 10: but their defense is a whole nother story.

881
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 7: My guest right now is we're going to.

882
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 10: Continue to see that relationship in that offense in Chicago

883
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 10: steadily improve.

884
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: I was watching the Ravens last night, and their brand's

885
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: always been tough, relentless physical, and that defense it doesn't

886
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: do much good. I mean, it's just really struggling, basically

887
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense without the star and the discussion like

888
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: on the helmet, like they're just not good. And I

889
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: thought to my Cello, was strange watching them that Lamar

890
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: scores so quickly. It's not complimentary football. The bad defense

891
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: goes back on the field. Like the Lions last year.

892
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: The defense was bad, but they dominated a time of

893
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: possession number two in the league. And I watched Baltimore, Greg,

894
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: I do not think you can win a Super Bowl

895
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: with a bad defense. Atlanta's the only team in the

896
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: last decade that got there, and they blew a huge

897
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: fourth quarter league. I looked at Baltimore last night and

898
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're in week four. Is that solvable? I mean,

899
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: I know that we're missing a pass rusher or two,

900
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: but that wasn't a pass rush issue. That wasn't getting

901
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: bulldozed for three and a half hours. I don't know

902
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: if you can win a Super Bowl with that defense.

903
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Can you solve stuff by week four, five, and six?

904
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 10: I mean the answer is yes, you can I mean

905
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 10: Baltimore did it last year. I mean in the first

906
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 10: half the season, their defense was abysmal. They had a

907
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 10: hard time replacing McDonald. Obviously, he went on and took

908
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 10: the head job out in Seattle, and they had some

909
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 10: growing pains figuring out what that defensive structure was going

910
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 10: to look like. They lost a lot of their coaching

911
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 10: staff to other teams to head coaching jobs. There were

912
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 10: some shuffling. So it took them, call it, half the

913
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 10: season last year to really find their way and then

914
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 10: down the stretch. I called their game on Christmas Day,

915
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 10: so it was late in the year, and they beat

916
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 10: Houston and they were dominant, and obviously the rest is

917
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 10: history through the playoffs and the matchups and losing obviously,

918
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 10: But I do think they can get it better. I

919
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 10: think Harball, although not a defensive guy by trade, is

920
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 10: a long time, you know, very established head coach.

921
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 7: He's been through.

922
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 10: Good offense is bad offenses, good defense is bad defenses.

923
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 7: I think programs like that.

924
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 10: That do have stability at the head coaching position, with

925
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 10: the experience that he has, I think they can get

926
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 10: it right. But I agree with you, they've got a

927
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 10: lot of work to do. The explosive nature of Baltimore's

928
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 10: offense is exactly what you want. And today is day

929
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 10: and age. You don't want to score on ten plus

930
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 10: play drives every time. If you are ultra dependent on

931
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 10: time of possession and sit on the ball and go

932
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 10: in the length of the field every time. That's a

933
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 10: very hard model in today's game to sustain. So their

934
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 10: quick strike offense is what you want. But then your

935
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 10: point is exactly correct on the inverse. When my defense

936
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 10: is not playing great, the more I put them right

937
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 10: back on the field to match possession for possession with

938
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 10: my opponent, you're going to see a high scoring game.

939
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 10: And obviously we've seen them play a few of them now,

940
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 10: so they've got to get the defense squared away. I

941
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 10: would always rather have an offense that can score thirty

942
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 10: any given day and fix the defense. I think it's

943
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 10: harder in today's NFL to say, okay, my defense can

944
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 10: keep you.

945
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 7: I'm the Browns right, like.

946
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 10: That defense is going to keep you fifteen to seventeen

947
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 10: points a lot. But then you're just holding your breath, like,

948
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 10: how are we ever going to score? Is it sustainable?

949
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 10: Beating the Packers in a game in the teams over

950
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 10: the length of the season always rather at offense that

951
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 10: can score, and then we can figure out together how

952
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 10: we can get that defense to just keep those number

953
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 10: as low as possible.

954
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: On the other side, Well, I gotta ask you this.

955
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert got hit fourteen times, he got pressured fifty

956
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: five and Jim Harbaugh said after the game, you'd never

957
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: know it in his facial expression. He never wins this.

958
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: And there is something about toughness. I had a GM

959
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: tell me this year's ago. He said, you know the

960
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: key in this league is you think all football players

961
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: are tough. He goes, some guys don't like getting hit,

962
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: and some guys like Andrew Luck love to get popped.

963
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: Just I want to get involved. I look at Herbert

964
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Greg, I mean, you played in the

965
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: NFL for years. You had the ability. You were a

966
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: rare tight end. You could be tough in block, Tony

967
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Gonzalez could do this, or you could get down the field.

968
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: But were there quarterbacks you played with that you knew

969
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: that had a tight end. And then the other guys

970
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: they were quarterbacks, they didn't want to get hit. Because

971
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: I watched Herbert and I'm like, that's not everybody is that.

972
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's a the spectrum there is very wide.

973
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 10: I don't think I ever played with the guy. Now,

974
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 10: I played with a lot of quarterbacks. I don't think

975
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 10: any of them ever were afraid to get hit.

976
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 7: But two come to mind that remind me of.

977
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 10: Herbert as far as the physicality of the game brought

978
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 10: out the best in them, and that was obviously Cam

979
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 10: and in Chicago was Jay Cutler. Like there was a

980
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 10: mentality to both of them that if they got sacked,

981
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 10: if they got hit hard, they were going to beat

982
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 10: you up off the ground, get to their feet faster,

983
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 10: to just show like even though I'm dying inside, even

984
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 10: though you got the best of me and I'm hurt,

985
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 10: and like I'm never going to let you see that.

986
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 7: Cam had that.

987
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 10: Like we used to joke, Cam's game didn't start until

988
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 10: he either got hit like sacked or like hit as

989
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 10: a passer, or we just had to call a quarterback

990
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 10: run and let him just run headfirst into the Mike

991
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 10: linebacker on quarterback power and then we're like, okay, the

992
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 10: games officially started. Cutler was the same way, like not

993
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 10: so much as a designed runner.

994
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 7: Like Cam was, but in the open field.

995
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 10: He wasn't a big slider, he wasn't getting down like

996
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 10: there was multiple times that I could picture him in my

997
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 10: head where he's taking guys on at the line of scrimmage,

998
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 10: I mean at the goal line, lowering his shoulder like

999
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 10: So those two.

1000
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 7: Guys in my time come to mind.

1001
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 10: As like that physical, not scared, not going to flinch,

1002
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 10: can get hit ten times in a row, and on

1003
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 10: the eleventh play, they're going to hold that ball and

1004
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 10: let that dig open up just one half clicks longer,

1005
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 10: because that's when he needs to deliver it. Like I

1006
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 10: agree that you can't coach that, like that's ingrained in

1007
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 10: the DNA of who these guys are. And to play

1008
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 10: in today's game with the struggles of offensive line and

1009
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 10: the defensive lineman just getting so good, and the defensive

1010
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 10: coordinators these simulated pressures and free runners, and we see

1011
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 10: these good quarterbacks under fire very often.

1012
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 7: If you can't stand in there and take shots in the.

1013
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 10: Pocket, and you you can't manipulate outside the pocket and

1014
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 10: every once in a while just be respectable as a runner.

1015
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 10: It is a very hard way to play quarterback in

1016
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 10: today's NFL. If you don't have that level of toughness,

1017
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 10: and I think for the most part, you look around

1018
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 10: the league at the guy's baker, Sam Darnold, like, these

1019
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 10: guys are inherently tough, physically got physically tough guys.

1020
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Finally, all the football you've played through, all the years,

1021
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: there's something weird about college football. It's the only sport

1022
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: that makes me mad. When my Trojan struggle, I'm gonna

1023
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: bad mood the rest of Saturday. I watched Miami this year.

1024
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: They I've been sold Miami for years. I think this

1025
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: team's legit physically. What say you, Oh, there's no question.

1026
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 10: So Mario Cristaball, You're not going to find a bigger

1027
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 10: fan of Mario than me. I've known Mario since I

1028
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 10: was a freshman in high school when I first met

1029
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 10: him when he was a GA at Miami, and then

1030
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 10: he went with Greg Chiao to Rutgers and I grew

1031
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 10: up in Jersey, so they were always at all of

1032
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 10: our games and all of our sporting mens. So I

1033
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 10: go back thirty years with twenty five years with Mario.

1034
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 10: So I think the job he's done. I've always said

1035
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 10: if he couldn't do it, then nobody could do it. Well,

1036
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 10: obviously he was the guy to do it. They are

1037
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 10: so physical, It's in everything that Mario crystal Ball is about.

1038
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 10: He's got a little bit of that Dan Campbell where

1039
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 10: the physicality and the size and his toughness and the

1040
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 10: way he communicates is so aggressive, yet there is an

1041
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 10: element of sophistication and cerebral and they're good recruiters and

1042
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 10: coaches and motivators. Like he kind of reminds me a

1043
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 10: little bit of Dan that in that perspective. But man,

1044
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 10: what a job he's done. But I'm with you, I

1045
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 10: was sitting with I was in Philly. I'm at the

1046
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 10: Four Seasons in Philly, amazing hotel, kicking my feet up.

1047
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have a nice night after production meetings and dinner.

1048
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 10: I'm gonna watch the Miami game and I'm literally sweating

1049
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 10: in my room. That touchdown got called back for the

1050
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 10: inadvertent whistle. Then Florida goes on that big drive and

1051
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 10: I'm like, yeah, oh my god, We're gonna lose this

1052
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 10: game all because of that inadvertent whistle.

1053
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 7: Now I'm mad at the refs.

1054
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 10: Like it is an emotion experience watching a college or

1055
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 10: a team that you're invested in.

1056
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 7: I couldn't agree with you more.

1057
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can get over an NFL loss in fifteen minutes.

1058
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 7: For the cold beer.

1059
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: College football losses putting me on our tail spin for

1060
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: thirty six hours.

1061
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 10: You should see me with my middle school football team

1062
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 10: that I coach. It'll take me three weeks to get

1063
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 10: over a bad game.

1064
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: Well, at least you're not kicking field goals. I know

1065
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: that about no field goals.

1066
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 7: We only go for two.

1067
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: There you go. Great seeing you, buddy, You're amazing.

1068
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 7: I appreciate you. Thanks calling.

1069
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: I've had the good fortune to run into Greg off

1070
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: the air from time to time. He is just about

1071
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: as good a human being as you're going to meet.

1072
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: We had good dudes on the show today. I mean,

1073
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: we tolerated Nick Wright, but I got Justin Herbert, Greg Olsen,

1074
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: you can't do better than that.