WEBVTT - Bill Cosby Ordered to Pay $60 Million For 1972 Sexual Assault 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Tuesday, March twenty fourth, and a California jury

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<v Speaker 2>has found Bill Cosby liable for a sexual assault that

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<v Speaker 2>happened before Amy Robock and I were even born. And

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<v Speaker 2>with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ

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<v Speaker 2>fifty plus years ago we're talking about. And a jury

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<v Speaker 2>just said, mister Cosby, you need to pay a huge

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<v Speaker 2>amount to this woman for something that happened in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have that right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 4>It happened on one occasion, and a jury took more

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<v Speaker 4>than two days to deliberate, but they have awarded this

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<v Speaker 4>woman fifty nine point two five million dollars for her.

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<v Speaker 3>Pain and suffering and for punitive damages. In this case.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the largest verdict so far.

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<v Speaker 2>So far, we say, And to be quite honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to keep up. Every time I see a

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey Weinstein update about a trial day, I'm like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still dealing with legal stuff. I'd be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize Bill Cosby is still dealing with lawsuits

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<v Speaker 2>that are flying all over Bliss.

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<v Speaker 4>He certainly is, And this was a doozy of a lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, she testified, took the stand, described what happened

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<v Speaker 4>to her. She said on that day in nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 4>three other women testified of having similar encounters with Bill Cosby.

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<v Speaker 3>He did not take the.

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<v Speaker 4>Stand, and it's interesting to hear what he said in deposition.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't He's denied, by the way, ever assaulting a woman.

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<v Speaker 4>He says that any sex he had in even any

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<v Speaker 4>coeludes he gave women, which he's admitted to doing, have

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<v Speaker 4>all been consensual that they agreed to take them. So

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<v Speaker 4>he admitted to having extramarital affairs and being a womanizer

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<v Speaker 4>and even drugging women, but he said it was all consensual.

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<v Speaker 2>And again Bill Cosby at this point has been out

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<v Speaker 2>of prison for several years. He had a ten year

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<v Speaker 2>prison Three to ten years is what it was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be. He served three because a was Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the criminal conviction. So everything that's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Cosby, all the accusations and things, one conviction and

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<v Speaker 2>that one was thrown out. So from a criminal standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>he's dealt with that part of these cases correct.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was thrown out because a previous prosecutor had

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<v Speaker 4>agreed to not prosecute, and so when they went ahead

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<v Speaker 4>with a different prosecutor and pursued charges and he was

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<v Speaker 4>found guilty. Ultimately, the Supreme Court said he should never

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<v Speaker 4>have been charged in the first place, based on an

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<v Speaker 4>agreement that had been in place in that state.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's out of prison, been out of prison for

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<v Speaker 2>several years. And a reminder, this is an eighty eight

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<v Speaker 2>year old blind man at this point, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>still facing a number of lawsuits. This one now has

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<v Speaker 2>reached his conclusion and sixty million dollars. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to be paying attention to this. But

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<v Speaker 2>this one had to do with a case in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two. A woman who was working in of all plays,

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<v Speaker 2>places we Love actually Salsalito, California, out that the Beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Area said she'd been invited to a show by

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Cosby again nineteen seventy two. He had a comedy show.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, yes, she was offered drugs by Bill Cosby,

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<v Speaker 2>took them and again typical story that we've heard before,

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<v Speaker 2>and was sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, she said she thought it was aspirin. She said

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<v Speaker 4>she had a headache. She said, he gave her wine.

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<v Speaker 4>He picked her up in a limousine. She was a

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<v Speaker 4>waitress at a restaurant there in Salcelito, so she caught

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<v Speaker 4>his eye.

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<v Speaker 3>He invited her to a show.

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<v Speaker 4>She was excited, but she said when he gave her

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<v Speaker 4>that pill that she thought was an aspirin, she said,

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<v Speaker 4>she became incapacitated, and she testified about how she ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>was in and out of consciousness. She remembers being backstage

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<v Speaker 4>and she ended up waking up in her own home

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<v Speaker 4>naked and realized that she had been sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess folk Brogs should be addressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are is this is twenty twenty six, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about a sexual assault in nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 2>This is happening now. But this this woman has been

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<v Speaker 2>actually trying to hold him accountable for twenty years almost.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not the first time this has come up.

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<v Speaker 4>Just now, correct and so yes, her reaction after the verdict,

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<v Speaker 4>she mentions that she says it's been fifty four years

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<v Speaker 4>to get justice. She says, I know it's not complete

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<v Speaker 4>for the rest of the women, but I hope it

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<v Speaker 4>helps them a little bit. And I thought this was interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>She said, I know this wasn't a criminal trial. I

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<v Speaker 4>know that I didn't get a guilty verdict, but she

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<v Speaker 4>said it was important that she was believed and that

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<v Speaker 4>Bill Cosby in some way was held accountable for what

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<v Speaker 4>he did to her.

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<v Speaker 3>And that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, this girl's mentioning there, this has gone through

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<v Speaker 2>the process. She didn't just bring this up here all

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<v Speaker 2>these years later. She had actually been on the record

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<v Speaker 2>as early as two thousand and five with accusations she

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<v Speaker 2>had made and tried to go through the criminal process.

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<v Speaker 2>And again they changed even the law out there in

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<v Speaker 2>California to allow for victims of sexual assault to have

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<v Speaker 2>more time when it comes to a statute of limitations

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<v Speaker 2>in the criminal or even civil cases we've seen in

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<v Speaker 2>some places. But she was able to do this now,

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<v Speaker 2>and why this is coming up, I find it pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I find it incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>And some on the other side would even say, this

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense. How can you hold him accountable with

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<v Speaker 2>something that happened that long ago? Who remembers when and what.

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<v Speaker 2>That's part of his argument, and even his attorneys argue,

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<v Speaker 2>you hold him liable for something that the woman even

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<v Speaker 2>says herself. She doesn't exactly know what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because she was drugged. She says she doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>She just you know, a woman knows when she's had sex,

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<v Speaker 4>or at least when someone has penetrated her. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 4>obvious and coming in and out of consciousness, I think

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<v Speaker 4>when you have When you take her account and the

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<v Speaker 4>jury heard from three other women who had almost identical accounts,

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<v Speaker 4>that became a strong enough case from a civil lawsuit standpoint,

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<v Speaker 4>where the threshold is lower than it is in a

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<v Speaker 4>criminal court. And it did take them a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>days to come up with the verdict, but certainly it

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<v Speaker 4>was a large sum of money. And speaking to not

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<v Speaker 4>remembering things, it's interesting because yes, Cosby didn't testify, but

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<v Speaker 4>in his deposition he said that he remembers being in

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<v Speaker 4>a limo with Matzinger, and he remembers wanting to have

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<v Speaker 4>sex with her, but he doesn't remember whether or not

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<v Speaker 4>they did, and of course he denied completely doing anything

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<v Speaker 4>to her non consensually, So that is interesting. But his

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<v Speaker 4>lawyers not shockingly say they do plan on appealing, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're also considering just simply challenging the size of the

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<v Speaker 4>award because they say he can't afford it. They said,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not a man who has worked in ten years.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't have the funds. Although they had the prosecution

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<v Speaker 4>or sorry it's not prosecution, but the the Matzinger attorneys.

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<v Speaker 3>Said that they believe that Bill Cosby is still.

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<v Speaker 4>Worth one hundred and twenty eight million dollars, so he

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<v Speaker 4>can afford this nearly sixty million dollar lawsuit against him.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was broken down.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of this was different types of damages, but the

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<v Speaker 2>chunk of it forty million or so, was to punish

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<v Speaker 2>him literally, punitive damages for what had taken place. The

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<v Speaker 2>rest kind of reimbursement for damages for mental.

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<v Speaker 1>And all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they actually the huge chunk of this was

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<v Speaker 2>a message they were sending about punishing Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby, still,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a while, and it's been years. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a reminder, but Robes, he's come down from that pedestal.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, still, you've reminding of this story and just

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<v Speaker 2>how big his star was and how influential of an

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<v Speaker 2>entertainer he was in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, the Cosby Show was everything, and that Look, we

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<v Speaker 4>see these stories oftentimes where you've got these men in

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<v Speaker 4>powerful positions, who are beloved, who are put up on

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<v Speaker 4>a pedestal, who.

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<v Speaker 3>Have been accused of abusing that power.

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<v Speaker 4>But yes, to your point, the jury only well I

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<v Speaker 4>say only, but when you look at almost sixty million dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>only nineteen point twenty five million of that was for

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<v Speaker 4>her pain and suffering. It was the forty million dollars

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<v Speaker 4>that whopper of a judgment that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was for punitive. You're right, that was to say, hey.

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<v Speaker 4>We believe this woman, and you should be punished, even

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<v Speaker 4>though you're not behind bars, you should be punished for

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<v Speaker 4>what we now believe you did. Now, this is interesting

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<v Speaker 4>because his attorney you mentioned Hayes blind. That is almost

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what his attorney said. This isn't about providing deterrence.

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<v Speaker 4>A blind eighty eight year old man can't leave his house.

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<v Speaker 4>That was in part her response to the judgment against him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean punitive is punitive.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter what age he is, and I mean right,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's saying he's a threat to the community necessarily. But

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<v Speaker 2>the still, this is what justice. This is what justice

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<v Speaker 2>can look like at this point. So if that will

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<v Speaker 2>ever happen, who knows, we know what his imprint has been.

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<v Speaker 2>We know this guy has made a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>over a lot of years, a lot of decades in

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<v Speaker 2>his career, but sixty million hadn't work for a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he have that sitting around? Stay here, we'll explain

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<v Speaker 2>what they say is financial situation looks like now are

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<v Speaker 2>continuing here on this Tuesday morning here on Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Cosby getting a sixty million dollar civil judgment against him,

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<v Speaker 2>he said he's going to appeal it a rose. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he'll ever be if anybody will ever

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<v Speaker 2>see that money, but quite frankly, his team is saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to see it no matter what, because

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<v Speaker 2>we ain't got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're saying, I mean he had to sell. He's

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<v Speaker 3>already had to. I believe two of his homes have

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<v Speaker 3>been foreclosed upon.

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<v Speaker 4>He did sell a Manhattan apartment for twenty eight million dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>and he still does own more than one home in Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 4>New York. So he does have tangible property. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>sure how they go about trying to acquire that or

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<v Speaker 4>force him to pay.

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<v Speaker 3>We've certainly seen civil judgments.

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<v Speaker 4>OJ Simpson comes to mind, most notably where the Goldmans

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<v Speaker 4>tried for decades to get money from him, and are

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<v Speaker 4>still trying to get money from his estate at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>These judgments sound like big deals, and they are big deals,

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<v Speaker 4>but a lot of times they end up in practicality

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<v Speaker 4>being symbolic rather than actually financially lucrative. And remember, Bill

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<v Speaker 4>Cosby already had one other civil ruling against him back

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty two. I forgot about this, where a

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<v Speaker 4>jury found him liable for sexually assaulting a then sixteen

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<v Speaker 4>year old all the way back in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 4>So even though his criminal conviction has been overturned, now

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<v Speaker 4>he has two civil lawsuits that have been successfully wagered

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<v Speaker 4>against him, and there are more in the wings.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a guy we have from mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight. Who knows what kind of health he is

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<v Speaker 2>in now, but he certainly don't know whims the last

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<v Speaker 2>time we saw him in Well, he doesn't make public

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<v Speaker 2>appearances obviously, but yeah, he's kept an incredibly low profile.

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<v Speaker 2>He is living out his days and he is spending

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<v Speaker 2>those glory years, right he should have been celebrated to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of his days, still making appearances on television shows.

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<v Speaker 2>The kind of hero he could have been, but all

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing is waiting out his days robes and fighting lawsuits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was America's dad.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we both were at that age where that

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<v Speaker 4>was such a juggernaut of a show, watched every single

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<v Speaker 4>Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 3>It was musty TV, and everyone loved him.

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<v Speaker 4>It was such a crushing blow to hear all of

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<v Speaker 4>these women's accounts, and yes there are now I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's one of those things where we talk about Sean

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<v Speaker 4>Diddycombs as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You start to lose count.

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<v Speaker 4>But by most accounts, there are more than a dozen

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<v Speaker 4>other lawsuits against Bill Cosey that have been filed in

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<v Speaker 4>multi states, including New York and Nevadas. So clearly a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of those women and their attorneys were looking to

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<v Speaker 4>see what would happen in this California civil case. And

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<v Speaker 4>certainly when they see a payday and look, I say

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<v Speaker 4>a payday again, we're not sure if this woman, Donna

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<v Speaker 4>Montsinger will see a penny of this money, but to

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<v Speaker 4>see a jury award nearly sixty million dollars and most

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<v Speaker 4>of it punitively to Bill Cosby, will certainly send up

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<v Speaker 4>the signals to so many other attorneys and now that

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<v Speaker 4>California and other states have changed their laws on the

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<v Speaker 4>statute of limitations, this is now paid the way for

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<v Speaker 4>lawsuits like we saw yesterday in California.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we appreciate you listening to us.

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<v Speaker 4>As always, everyone, I'm Amy Roebock alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We have Morning run coming up soon. Look for it.