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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Crime Baby, Didy Didy Nobel,

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Speaker 1: deal with It Combs, Shawn Colmbs breaking down and crying

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Speaker 1: like a baby in court and now he's been sent

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Speaker 1: to wait in a hell hole wait for his fate.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: We are living in this dirty diddy dystopian dumpster world.

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Speaker 3: It was all about handpuff.

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Speaker 4: He's running this entire trial with his ego is very,

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Speaker 4: very big, as he was the ringmaster and we played

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Speaker 4: along in his surface.

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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs has been orchestrating a meteoric career for years,

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Speaker 1: Rising Rising, Rising, is at any surprise he orchestrated his

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Speaker 1: trial that ended in two convictions but three acquittals with

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Speaker 1: me in all star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know Tonight, Sean Gumes breaking down and crying like

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Speaker 1: a baby in court as he is told no bail

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Speaker 1: joining me now. Formerly outside the courthouse, she had to

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Speaker 1: be taken to a secure location after the verdict went

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Speaker 1: down yesterday. It was no laughing matter, Tiasa. It's easy

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Speaker 1: to laugh the next night, the night after, but you

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Speaker 1: were mobbed outside the courthouse attacked for not being a

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Speaker 1: Diddy sympathizer and threatened describe what happened outside the courthouse everybody.

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Speaker 1: Tisa Teal's joining us. You can find her online on

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Speaker 1: YouTube at Tisa Tales.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Tisa Nancy.

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Speaker 6: I laugh because I remain here and I remain adamant

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Speaker 6: that the jury got it wrong and Shaun Dity Calms

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Speaker 6: and his supporters are dangerous and need to be held into.

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Speaker 7: Let me take you back to what happened.

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Speaker 6: Outside of the courthouse. The verdict came in, I expected

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Speaker 6: the celebrations from Sean's family, ran downstairs to bring it

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Speaker 6: to you guys life.

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Speaker 7: That is when the mob descended. People, grown men, grown men.

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Speaker 6: Hordes of grown men coming over, yelling, we're going to

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Speaker 6: treat you worse than Cassie.

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Speaker 7: What happened.

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Speaker 5: What happened to Cassie is nothing.

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Speaker 7: Wait till we get our hands on you. F then,

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Speaker 7: b you need to die.

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Speaker 5: You need this. We're going to reach into you.

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Speaker 6: Literally, two armed guards were protecting me from a swarm

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Speaker 6: of men of Ditty supporters. This is what they wanted

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Speaker 6: to do to celebrate when their degenerate king came up.

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Speaker 7: They but in that moment My heart.

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Speaker 5: Broke for the witnesses.

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Speaker 6: My heart broke for myself because I realized they wanted to.

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Speaker 5: Bring me to heal.

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Speaker 6: They wanted me to pay all this anger and animosity

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Speaker 6: they felt that I stood there on the side of victims.

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Speaker 6: It boiled and in that moment with a gold star

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Speaker 6: that jury decision gave them.

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Speaker 7: They knew that they lived in a world that they.

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Speaker 6: Could harm somebody, a woman for speaking truth to power,

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Speaker 6: and nothing would happen to them, just like in their

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Speaker 6: minds at that time, they thought nothing was happening to

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Speaker 6: their king. I was overjoyed when I heard the judge

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Speaker 6: Aaron did the right thing and kept that monster in jail,

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Speaker 6: and it sent a chilling effect to all the melee

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Speaker 6: that was going on in the courthouse. Regardless of what

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Speaker 6: the jury said, there is still law in America, and.

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Speaker 7: You will be held you will be held accountable.

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Speaker 5: It was a horrible scene.

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Speaker 7: And get this, I had two armed guards escorting me through.

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Speaker 6: The melee and they were even like they'd never seen

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Speaker 6: anything like this. But there were so many other women,

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Speaker 6: there were so many other vloggers and media that did

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Speaker 7: It was quite a scene at the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: Buttersa Cholls, wasn't there a woman?

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Speaker 5: Wasn't there?

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Speaker 1: A woman outside the courthouse and nothing but brief squirting

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Speaker 1: herself with baby oil, dancing Nancy.

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Speaker 6: I was literally sitting there saying, is this what Sodom and.

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Speaker 7: Gomora look like?

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Speaker 5: It looked like Rome was burning.

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Speaker 6: There was a woman in a copair of column climb

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Speaker 6: underwears and a bra momentarily because even the bra started coming.

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Speaker 5: Out, and she was sitting there, shimming, bouncing.

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Speaker 6: Acting like it, acting like she was at like like

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Speaker 7: Why there was.

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Speaker 6: A man with a bottle of baby oil squirting it

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Speaker 6: was like, yes, yes, yes, more more more, celebrating for

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Speaker 7: It, and I hope to God never to.

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Speaker 5: See anything like it again.

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Speaker 6: At that moment, I got had asked me do you

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Speaker 6: think we need Yes, Lord, please flood it. Let me

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Speaker 6: the proud degeneracy and what are you celebrating? That's all

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Speaker 6: I kept saying, what are these people celebrating? This man

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Speaker 6: was convicted on two still very serious criminal charges. But

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Speaker 6: more than that, I see that Mark Agnafilil's gaslighting worked

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Speaker 7: But are we going to forget that?

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Speaker 6: We did not see Cassie fleeing a freak off and

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Speaker 6: being dragged back. So we did not hear Cassie's mom

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Speaker 6: say that she was extorted twenty k because she thought

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Speaker 6: her daughter's freae call thing she were going to be released.

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Speaker 6: Did we not hear all this testimony about him literally

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Speaker 6: regardless of what Jane wanted, brutally beating her, beating her.

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Speaker 5: In the shower, beating her in the foyer, stopping.

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Speaker 6: Her down, then forcing her to take drugs, put makeup on,

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Speaker 7: The fact that the jury and did he support.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to act like all this horrible evidence

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Speaker 6: we heard did not happen, and they were celebrating that

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Speaker 6: It literally was like I was literally watching Sodom and Gomore.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what was going on, but there was

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Speaker 6: some demonic energy going around.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of what was going down outside the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: As Diddy Seawan comes, breaks down and cries like a

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Speaker 1: baby in court and is told no bail. Take a

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Speaker 1: look at what she's talking about. This from armand Wiggins

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Speaker 1: on Instagram.

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Speaker 8: When the verdict is announced, crowds outside the courthouse go wild.

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Speaker 8: Supporters spray baby.

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Speaker 5: Oil at each other.

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Speaker 8: Observers with different opinions get in shouting matches. The Colmbs

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Speaker 8: family is met with cheers as they enter an exit

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Speaker 8: court and media members and content creators rely on court

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Speaker 8: security for protection as they make their reports. Has both

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Speaker 8: sides submit their arguments for and against pre Sentencing Bill,

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Speaker 8: a large group begins to chant let Puffy go.

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Speaker 5: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 8: Has both sides submit their arguments for and against pre

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Speaker 8: sentencing Bill, a large group begins to chant let Puffy go.

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Speaker 5: Let Puffy go. Well, the judge didn't agree.

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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs no bail and he says straight back to

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn MDC to await his fate. This is after

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Speaker 1: he breaks down and cries in court, joining me special

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Speaker 1: guest Rob Shooter, longtime p R Guru for Shawn Combs.

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Speaker 5: He knows Shawn Combs better than any of us.

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Speaker 1: Can can even imagine hosts of naughty but Nice podcasts

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Speaker 1: found at robshooter dot substack dot com. You know what

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Speaker 1: that scene reminds me of. That reminds me of something

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Speaker 1: that happened Shooter. After the OJ Simpson verdict. Okay, the

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Speaker 1: case was over and I was still prosecuting in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: prosecuting felonies, and I flew to New York to see

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Speaker 1: Heraldo Rivera, our friend, Heraldo Rivera, and at that time

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Speaker 1: he had a daytime talk show and he was having

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Speaker 1: on many of the jurars.

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Speaker 5: They had written a book making.

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Speaker 1: Money off the trial. Hey it's America, have ad it

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Speaker 1: And it was called something like Madam Foreman of the Jury,

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Speaker 1: of the group that was at Heraldo. Anyway, we did

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Speaker 1: the show and I had no ACTX to grind with them.

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Speaker 1: I thought they were totally wrong and were swayed by

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Speaker 1: Simpson's fame. But that said, the trial was over. There

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Speaker 5: It was done.

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Speaker 1: And these were elderly ladies, and so I was very

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Speaker 1: polite to them. We had a conversation. I walked out

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Speaker 1: Listen to this shooter. They were all out there waiting

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Speaker 1: and a huge black stretch limo pulls up. I had

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd even seen one. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: had not, And I watched all of them. They were

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Speaker 1: all getting in. I think there were three of them,

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Speaker 1: to me. I was standing there, and I remember this distinctly.

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Speaker 1: I could not afford a heavy coat. I did not

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Speaker 5: Said, you know what, Nancy, this is the best thing

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Speaker 1: I've go on too, all the best restaurants, I've stayed in,

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Speaker 5: I even got these.

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Speaker 1: Expensive clothes to wear on TV. It's been the best

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Speaker 1: I remember standing there and I watched the limo pull

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Speaker 1: the tail lights and it started snowing. The best thing

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Speaker 1: that happened to them, Nicole Brown's head was attached to

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Speaker 1: her neck. She was basically beheaded by Orenthal James Simpson.

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Speaker 5: Ron Goldman found dead at a pool of blood.

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Speaker 1: And it's the best thing that ever happened to that jury.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was my flashback as the verdict was

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Speaker 1: being read in court.

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Speaker 4: I feel Nancy, I totally feel for you. Last night

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Speaker 4: I went out to have dinner with friends and somebody

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Speaker 4: tried to spit on me outside the restaurant, who was

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Speaker 4: a Diddy supporter. This is real, what we are seeing

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Speaker 4: happening outside the courthouse. What happened to our friend Tisha

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Speaker 4: that she has been brave enough to talk about.

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Speaker 3: It's real.

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Speaker 4: People out there are scared, Nancy. I reported yesterday that

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Speaker 4: Cassie has increased her security now she's got a twenty

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Speaker 4: four hour guard on her home. People are very, very frightened.

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Speaker 4: Just because Puffy is still in jail. Thankfully he can't

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Speaker 4: get to her, but his fans can, his army, his

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Speaker 4: warriors can, and so it's dangerous out there. And I

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Speaker 4: think it's easy to dismiss that. It's easy to think, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is just excitements. This was just after the verdict.

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Speaker 4: This will calm down. I'm not sure it will.

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Speaker 3: Nancy.

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Speaker 4: I've been doing this a long long time, and I've

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Speaker 4: certainly said things and wrote things that might have ruffled

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Speaker 4: to spit on me before last night. That happened for

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Speaker 4: the first time in New York City. Coming out of

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Speaker 4: a restaurant. Someone recognized me from television, from maybe my column,

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Speaker 4: from working with Diddy, and they're really angry, and I

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Speaker 4: could see, Nancy. I could see in their eyes hate.

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Speaker 4: They absolutely hated that I'm not worshiping the same god

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Speaker 1: Oh here, number one. I feel guilty about what's happened

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Speaker 5: Why is it like this?

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Speaker 1: I want to hear exactly, exactly every detail of someone

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Speaker 4: Yeah, walking out of a restaurant in Midtown. We'd had

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Speaker 4: then they spat.

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Speaker 4: They missed me, but they did spit, Nancy. And then

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Speaker 3: Did hey, I worked with him? You didn't I did?

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Speaker 4: I know this man? He doesn't care about you. To

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Speaker 4: I didn't feel anger. I felt a little bit vulnerable.

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Speaker 4: I felt sad, Nancy. I felt so so that Diddy

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Speaker 5: Was it a man or a woman?

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Speaker 4: And the spit at you a man? There was three

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Speaker 1: On the wrong day, Robshooter. It's because they don't want

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Speaker 1: Sean Comes. They want to believe what they've believed for

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Speaker 1: years and years and years. We what Cassie, Mia Jane,

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Speaker 1: Shooter that I had my investigator, Ernest.

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Speaker 5: We could not have been more different.

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Speaker 1: We were together over ten years, through thick and thin.

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Speaker 5: Every day, every trial.

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Speaker 1: We had one argument in ten years one and it

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Speaker 1: was over O. J. Simpson because he insisted Simpson was

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Speaker 5: And to this day, to this day, he's still mad

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Speaker 1: We don't even talk about him when we talk, when

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Speaker 1: we do a little. I say, you do know Simpson's guilty, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's dead, but he's guilty.

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Speaker 5: He's still No. They don't want to see these people.

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Speaker 1: The people that spit at you last night, don't want

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Speaker 1: to see the testimony that came out at court. Shooter,

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Speaker 1: how is that You're the pr guru, you know how

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Speaker 1: to shape shift everything.

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Speaker 5: How is this happening?

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Speaker 4: I think, Nancy, for this is a tale as old

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Speaker 4: as time.

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Speaker 3: We have built people up.

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Speaker 4: We know in America how to build celebrities, how to

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Speaker 4: tailor Swifts and the Beyonces, and we wonder what it'd

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Speaker 4: and this is dangerous this is people's lives. What Puffy

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Speaker 4: It's being a criminal. And unfortunately, though the mystique, the image,

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Speaker 4: they weaponize it. Celebrities know how to use their power

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Speaker 3: He's not used to being told no.

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Speaker 5: He throws a major tantrum because he can.

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Speaker 4: I've seen him get so angry that he looks like

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Speaker 4: he's about to pass out.

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Speaker 3: The veins in his neck are popping.

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Speaker 5: The kickings, the beatings, the draggings.

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Speaker 3: He just can't believe that somebody says no to him.

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Speaker 3: It can't believe it.

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Speaker 5: With us an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: But first, back to Tisa Tills from YouTube Tisa Tills

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Speaker 1: on YouTube Tea.

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Speaker 5: Sean comes breaking.

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Speaker 1: Down and crying like a baby in court when he

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Speaker 1: and make his case. Tell me what happened in court

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Speaker 1: when Seawn comes in court.

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Speaker 5: In court, we saw Judge Aaron.

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Speaker 6: Now nobody knows what's in his mind, but the way

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Speaker 6: he came in, like hell on Wills, it made me

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Speaker 6: feel that maybe Judge Aaron thought that the jury got

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Speaker 7: Mark A.

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Speaker 9: Gonnafield, you'll rolled in with his comedy routine that it

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Speaker 9: worked on those traulve jurors and tried to even say

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Speaker 9: that the abuse that Jaye suffered being beaten.

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Speaker 6: Staplashedly in a shower Hit Diddy was clothed being forced

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Speaker 6: to do a freak off. Moments later, he tried to

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Speaker 6: say that it looks like it might have been self defense.

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Speaker 7: Judge Aaron shut it down.

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Speaker 5: Your client is violent.

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Speaker 7: We saw it on the video.

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Speaker 6: He said everything that we've been thinking, and he said

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Speaker 6: he's not getting out. Mark Agnafilio, well, yeah, I know

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Speaker 6: we can arrange a package that you like. The motion

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Speaker 6: is denied and I will see you. I believe it's

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Speaker 6: October second for sentencing unless you have a better idea.

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Speaker 6: Did he literally that Hubers did he had floated in

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Speaker 6: He really did do the impossible.

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Speaker 7: And I remember last week when Rob was like this man,

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you the stardust people wanted. I didn't want

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Speaker 6: This man came floating in off of his star dust,

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Speaker 6: fully expecting to go home. They had gotten security for

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Speaker 6: everybody was on and when you saw the way his

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Speaker 7: And again I.

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Speaker 6: Want to thank Judge Aaron because it had a chilling effect.

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Speaker 6: Everybody was worried about me last night, but you know what,

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Speaker 6: I stood tall because I realized they wanted what they

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Speaker 7: They want us afraid to come out.

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Speaker 6: They want us to hide in the shadow like roaches,

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Speaker 6: the way they should be hiding in the shadows. They

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Speaker 6: so they can literally let their deranged king run rapid.

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Speaker 5: Kudles from Rob for holding.

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Speaker 6: His ground, and kudos for Judge Aaron for finally popping

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Speaker 6: that bubble and for Diddy to see reality.

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Speaker 7: You might have got away with the worst of it,

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Speaker 7: but the fed still.

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Speaker 5: Caught you in their crossheads.

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Speaker 7: And in that moment we saw why he was.

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Speaker 6: Slumped, head bowed, looking like tears were rolling down his

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Speaker 6: come crashing in. That was the only justice we got

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Speaker 6: in that day, but it was a lot of justice

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Speaker 5: What did you just say about self defense?

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Speaker 7: Yes, it makes me so mad to think about it.

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Speaker 6: Mark Agnofilial had the nerve to suggest that what did

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Speaker 6: with fresh bruises and swelling covered up with makeup. Mark

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Speaker 6: Agnofilial said, there's evidence to suggest.

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Speaker 7: That that was some type of self defense that my

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Speaker 1: Okay, whit whit white, white, white, white, white, white white.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Linna Shaw joining me from Lynne's Warrior.

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Speaker 1: She's the founder and executive director dedicated to ending sex

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Speaker 1: trafficking and abuse on girls and women. Okay, I've heard

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Speaker 1: she asked for it. It was her idea, she started it.

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Speaker 1: It was consensual. She's a slut or as Agnifilo. Agnifilo

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Speaker 1: said in court she's a beautiful woman, she loves sex.

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Speaker 5: On and on, the same.

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Speaker 1: Old stereotypes you've always heard, but this is a new one.

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Speaker 5: It was self defense.

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Speaker 1: Sean Combs was acting in self defense when he beat Jane.

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Blah, the same old playbook.

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Speaker 7: Let's kick it to the curb.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I want to say something, a great

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Speaker 2: shout out to Tissa and to Rob stay safe. I

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Speaker 2: put out a statement on the Warriors about this right

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Speaker 2: away with the verdict. I've been attacked relentlessly all day

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Speaker 2: and all night yesterday, and guess what by women?

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Speaker 7: Women?

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Speaker 2: So what does this say about all of this? So

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Speaker 2: now you have a lawyer, a lawyer who's saying self defense.

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Speaker 2: I've heard this one before, Nancy, anything to blame the victim.

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Speaker 2: My concern here, though, is society. Is the justice system

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Speaker 2: itself not understanding accepting all of this. How come all

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Speaker 2: of those Diddy disciples attacking Tisa and others, how come

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Speaker 2: they aren't you in this frenzy to support victims, survivors,

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Speaker 2: those who testified. Why is it that there's this power

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Speaker 2: over this criminal, convicted criminal, this monster, pim, pimp, pimp

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Speaker 2: traffick or traffick er, trafficker. You know what, that playbook

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Speaker 2: is old. These lawyers can say what they want. My

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Speaker 2: concern here also is that women are attacking me for

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Speaker 2: got off because they didn't prove sex trafficking and I

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Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing. Well, you know what, everybody

444
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Speaker 2: should walk in my boots, come along with me with

445
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Speaker 2: the warriors, and do the work we do in the communities,

446
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Speaker 2: and they'll understand real quickly. These jurors, I wish I

447
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Speaker 2: could have taken all twelve of them on the road

448
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Speaker 2: with me. They would have convicted him of sex trafficking

449
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Speaker 2: right away because they have to see reality and they're

450
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Speaker 2: blinded by as Rob pointed out, and Tisa, this stard ust,

451
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Speaker 2: this wealth, this power. But you know what, he's still

452
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a convicted criminal. He

453
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Speaker 2: still is in jail. We still have counts against him,

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Speaker 2: and he will go down, maybe not right away, in

455
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Speaker 2: the next few years, he's going down joining me.

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, renowned defense attorney and joining us out of

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Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction. Troy Slayton, Look, okay, you got a

458
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Speaker 1: lot of tricks in your magician's bag that you whip

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Speaker 1: out in front of jury's to get those not guilty

460
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Speaker 1: verdicts that you seem to get sadly frequently. But Troy Slayton,

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Speaker 1: in a case like this, have you ever seen the

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Speaker 1: defense argue self defense that the alleged rapist, the alleged

463
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Speaker 1: sex trafficker was acting and self defense. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: any pictures of bruises on Seawn Comes. All I saw

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Speaker 1: was him running up and down the halls of the

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Speaker 1: Intercontinental and nothing but a towel.

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Speaker 5: And we now know.

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Speaker 1: Why he had the towel that he was clutching so desperately,

469
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Speaker 1: because he didn't want this to be seen on the camera.

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Speaker 5: That said, have you ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Self defense used by an alleged rapist or an alleged

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Speaker 1: sex trafficker.

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Speaker 10: It's the job of the defense attorney, Nancy to be

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Speaker 10: a zealous advocate for their client and to do everything

475
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Speaker 10: that they can within the framework of the law to

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Speaker 10: secure an acquittal or to get the best possible deal. Now,

477
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to sit here and gloat just because

478
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Speaker 10: I got it right all along that the government overcharged

479
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Speaker 10: this case. There was not an overreaching.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you would never glow. That's just non choice.

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Speaker 3: Go here.

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Speaker 1: He would never say I told you so. Oh quick, update,

483
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Speaker 1: where's Diddy right now? Oh he's in jail. Okay, continue, but.

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Speaker 3: Not for much longer.

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Speaker 10: The sentencing guidelines for what is probably going to end

486
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Speaker 10: up being the most expensive prostitution trial in US history

487
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Speaker 10: is fifteen to twenty one months. So although he has

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Speaker 10: what we call maximum exposure of ten years on each count,

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Speaker 10: which if ran consecutively, would be twenty years, he's not

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Speaker 10: going to get that. The starting point for the judge

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Speaker 10: here is fifteen to twenty one months, not years, and

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Speaker 10: he's already got starting point.

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Speaker 5: I've read it and a nutshell.

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Speaker 1: Unlike state court where I prosecuted in felony superior court,

495
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Speaker 1: where the judge had great, great leeway and dependent on

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Speaker 1: the state to make a very convincing argument when it

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Speaker 1: came to sentencing, in federal court, there's something called the

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Speaker 1: federal guidelines. The sentencing guidelines why, because federal judges number one,

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Speaker 1: they're a pointed for life. They can do whatever they

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Speaker 1: want to, just like the US Supreme Court. Okay life,

501
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Speaker 1: In case you didn't know, they're not realized they can't

502
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Speaker 1: get thrown.

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Speaker 3: Out, they can get impeached.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm you named five justices, Name one justice, one

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Speaker 1: justice US Supreme Court justice, it's ever been impeached?

506
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Speaker 5: Hearing nothing, I'll continue forward. The sentencing guidelines are.

507
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Speaker 1: Instituted because federal judges across the country had wildly divergent

508
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Speaker 1: sentences for this same crime, and defense was starting to.

509
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Speaker 5: Say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He got five

510
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Speaker 5: years and you're giving me life. How can that be?

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Speaker 1: So the sentencing guidelines were put in place to kind

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Speaker 1: of corral the federal judges into behaving and having a

513
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Speaker 1: more consistent sentencing guideline.

514
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Speaker 5: However, there are in a nutshell.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let Troy Slayton give you a legal

516
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: treatise on this. There are upward and downward departures. And

517
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Speaker 1: I know a lawyer now just barred that made a

518
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: living of getting snitches behind bars to make up stories

519
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Speaker 1: to help get downward departures.

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Speaker 5: Downward departures are.

521
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Speaker 1: When you present the judge evidence to the defendant's favor

522
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Speaker 1: that gets the judge to give a lesser sentence.

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Speaker 5: There are also exactly departures.

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Speaker 10: It's called mitigations or aggregating factors. And that's what the

525
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 10: attorneys for Diddy are going to do. They're going to

526
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Speaker 10: say all the great things about him in order to

527
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Speaker 10: try and get the judge to downward depart or deviate

528
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Speaker 10: from the sentencing guidelines. It used to be in this country, Nancy,

529
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Speaker 10: that the sentencing guidelines were mandatory. The judge was confined

530
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Speaker 10: to in this case to fifteen to twenty one months.

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Speaker 10: But that's no longer the case. The twenty years why

532
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Speaker 10: discretion to sentence up to the maximum in this sorce.

533
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Speaker 3: But it's not going to happen. Diddy is going to

534
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: be out in a matter of months, not years.

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Speaker 1: Your TISA tales give us the sentencing day, which is

536
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: not until October.

537
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 5: But Shawn Combs is back in court.

538
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Speaker 1: Within the next three business days to have a bill hearing.

539
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: But as to what Slayton's saying, he's absolutely correct. The

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Speaker 1: sentencing for Shawn comes could be anywhere from fifteen months,

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Speaker 1: which is the lower end of the federal sentencing guidelines,

542
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Speaker 1: all the way up to twenty years. Twenty years where

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Speaker 1: I get that the max on each one of these

544
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Speaker 1: counts is ten years. If he gets the max on

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Speaker 1: each count, which I believe he should get in light

546
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Speaker 1: of the violence of this case. Then you run those consecutively,

547
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Speaker 1: one after the other. That's twenty years. Enjoy comes Enjoy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: back to Tisa tells Tisa, I also heard you say

549
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Speaker 1: in addition to Shawn Combs's self defense theory, magnif Loow

550
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Speaker 1: threw out to the judge yesterday. I think I saw

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Speaker 1: the judge doing this on the stand. But that said,

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Speaker 1: you also said some thing about Star Island.

553
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 5: What did you say?

554
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: Diddck's team was so confident that Diddy was coming home

555
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 6: that night, they got listened. They won the game, but

556
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 6: they decided to do a victory layup.

557
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 5: They were so confident he was coming home that.

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Speaker 11: They got security and staff on Star Island in order

559
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Speaker 11: to embrace the homecoming of their dark overload the amount

560
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Speaker 11: of hubris.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, let's go back to that self

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Speaker 7: defense okay.

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Speaker 12: The judge looked at Diddy and its exact words were,

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Speaker 12: your client enrolled in a batterer's program in New York

565
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Speaker 12: City right before he got arrested again.

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Speaker 7: How could this be self defense where the first thing

567
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Speaker 7: he did.

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Speaker 13: Was run in New York City and enroll in a

569
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Speaker 13: Batteri's program so he could say, oh my God, or

570
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Speaker 13: change my ways, and a batterer's program for the abuser.

571
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 13: Marine called me stick up and said, your honor, his

572
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Speaker 13: brazeness is ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: It is he has no shame. It was quite a

574
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 6: moment to see. Did he be pulled down to reality?

575
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Speaker 6: But the hubers to think that he was coming home

576
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 6: because again, Nancy, I was disappointed with the verdict, But

577
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 6: like you said, okay, there are two serious criminal charges,

578
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Speaker 6: and judging.

579
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Speaker 5: By the way the judge was reading.

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Speaker 7: Mark Agnifilio, the Riot Act.

581
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Speaker 6: Whatever is the maximum that he can go, I think

582
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Speaker 6: it's going to be more higher than lower.

583
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 7: This is not going to be time served.

584
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 6: And yes it is a small consolation prize, but hopefully

585
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Speaker 6: Diddy will at least be away for at least four

586
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 6: or five years. Anybody knows you're better at that than

587
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 6: I am, Nancy. But again it is a small act

588
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: of mercy that he will be accountable for some of

589
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 6: his crimes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Star Island thing, repeat, the Star Island incident.

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Speaker 7: They were so confident this man was coming home.

592
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Speaker 6: They had the party of all parties a homecoming like

593
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Speaker 6: you've never seen planned. They had full security go down

594
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 6: there again, remember last time they tried to get him

595
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 6: a released on bail.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna have private security. We're gonna have this. We're

597
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Speaker 7: gonna have that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you're gonna be l Chapo and create your

599
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 6: own prison on a luxury resort.

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Speaker 3: Shut up?

601
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Speaker 7: Did he?

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Speaker 5: They had full security on staff that.

603
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Speaker 6: Would be in line with what the level that probation

604
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Speaker 6: of probation officer would demand.

605
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 7: They had celebrity friends to greet him.

606
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 6: They had a whole shindic planned, and they really thought

607
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 6: that man was walking out of there that night.

608
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Speaker 7: And by the way, Nancy, I don't think.

609
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Speaker 6: Enough people have talked about these low life celebrities that

610
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Speaker 6: came out in droves to congratulate him because he got

611
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 6: off on Rico, leaving comments, you can't go to jail

612
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 6: for being freaky. Yeah, I know you thought your whole

613
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 6: lifestyle was in danger. But nobody is talking about the celebs.

614
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 6: And now that he's been found not guilty and the

615
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Speaker 6: jury did.

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00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 7: This, they are now coming out and giving him.

617
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Speaker 5: His full support.

618
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 6: That comeback tour that I thought was just a pipe dream,

619
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Speaker 6: it looks like it might be coming to fruition. I

620
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 6: don't even think he has to do the fake church

621
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Speaker 6: route to get back in the good graces of the

622
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Speaker 6: celebrity friends.

623
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Speaker 7: But they are all coming out.

624
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 5: Of the word works.

625
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 6: Look at the post he put liking everything. Congratulations, I

626
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 6: knew you're coming home. Pay attention to who now is

627
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 6: speaking up, and that's going to tell you who was

628
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: probably worried about Diddy going down.

629
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Speaker 5: Who's speaking up? Who's speaking up?

630
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 7: So many musicians, so many.

631
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Speaker 5: Actors, actresses.

632
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 14: I can go to the Instagram right now, the posts

633
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 14: they put up. Look at everybody that's in the comments,

634
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 14: liking it, liking it, giving words of confidence, good to

635
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 14: see you home.

636
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Speaker 7: King.

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: There are so many celebrities, And again it makes me

638
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 6: wonder because you guys are so quiet, and now you're

639
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 6: speaking up. Maybe you're happy that you're white. Life has

640
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 6: been lived to survive another day, because why were they

641
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 6: so quiet before? Maybe these were some of the people

642
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 6: that were worried about Diddy actually speaking.

643
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 5: You know, it's like roaches.

644
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: When you turn the light on, they all run and

645
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: hide when the light's being shined on them. But you

646
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: cut the lights off and they can get away. With

647
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: anything in the dark, when nobody knows what's going on,

648
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: when nobody can see what they're doing. Speaking of refusing

649
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: to see the evidence, going into the jury deliberations with

650
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: blinders on about who they think Sean comes is.

651
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 5: How could they ignore his apology.

652
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Speaker 15: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

653
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Speaker 15: your life.

654
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to do that.

655
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Speaker 15: I was, I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I.

656
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 3: Make no excuses.

657
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Speaker 15: My behavior on that video is inexcusable. Full responsibility for

658
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 15: my ashes in that video. I'm disgusted. I was disgusted

659
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 15: then when I did it. I'm disgusting now and when

660
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 15: and I sought out professional help now to go into therapy.

661
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 15: I'm going to rehab. Had to asked God for his

662
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Speaker 15: mercy and grace. I'm so sorry, but I'm committed to

663
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Speaker 15: be a better mansion every day.

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Speaker 16: I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.

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Speaker 1: In the next three business day, Shawn comes aka did

666
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: he back in court begging for bond, his sentencing set

667
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: for October.

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Speaker 5: What will go down in that bond?

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Speaker 1: Here the judge has given us a couple of clues. Yesterday,

670
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: when Shawn Combs kept going trying to get called on

671
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: like the judge was a school teacher. While his lawyer Agnifilo,

672
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: was making an argument, the district court judge, Judge Aaron

673
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Subramian ignored Shawn Combs.

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Speaker 5: And said to the defense.

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Speaker 1: Quote, you full throatedly, that's harsh for a judge. You

676
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: full throatedly, in your closing argument told the jury that

677
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: there was violence here, and domestic violence is violence. You

678
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: said this was the case that did have violence. As

679
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: to the basic question of violence. You conceded that, admitted

680
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: that in your closing and then Agnifilo, in his wisdom,

681
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: come back. I think I just think we should trust him.

682
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 5: He won't flee.

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00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Rob Shooter joining us from Naughty but Nice podcast

684
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Speaker 1: at robshooter dot subseac dot com. You heard that the

685
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: celebration was already planned at Star Island.

686
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 5: Where is Star Island? What is it?

687
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Speaker 3: Yees?

688
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: Star Island is in Florida. It's by my amme. It's

689
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: a luxury island that you need to get permission to

690
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: get on and off.

691
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: They have a.

692
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Speaker 4: Security guard when you enter the one bridge that takes

693
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: you to this island, and there's one bridge that takes

694
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Speaker 4: you out. Multimillion dollar homes. These are not just rich people,

695
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: these are super rich people. The average home on Star

696
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: Island is about forty million dollars. I've been to a

697
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: party on Star Island, not at Diddy's house, but on

698
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: the island. Not that many homes on the island, I'd

699
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: guess about fifteen twenty total, all celebrity neighbors, all super

700
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: super super rich. And now these elites, these very wealthy

701
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 4: people who have spent a fortune on these homes, now

702
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: they're going to have to at some point welcome did

703
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: He back as a neighbor. They are not happy about this.

704
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: This is not going to be good for the price

705
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: of their homes. They want rid of him in a

706
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Speaker 4: way that a lot of people standing at that courtroom

707
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: screaming and shouting don't. And so his fans are supporting him.

708
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 4: His neighbors one him got.

709
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Speaker 1: They were already preparing the party at Star Island in Florida.

710
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Speaker 5: Keep shooter up, isn't it true?

711
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: Star Island is ninety nautical miles to Cuba. On a yacht,

712
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: you can get to Cuba in less than four hours.

713
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: So did he goes out on a moonlight cruise on

714
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: a yacht? He gone right from Cuba. You can go

715
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, right, think about it, Shooter, think

716
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: you use that noodle man?

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00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we should all be using our noodles. Nancy, You're

718
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: absolutely right. While the lobster is chilling and the champagne

719
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: is on ice, people waiting at this party, he can

720
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 4: literally jump on a boat and get this. His home

721
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: has a dock. He doesn't even have to go anywhere.

722
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: That boat can pull up literally in his backyard. He

723
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: can jump on a yacht, on a boat under the

724
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 4: cover of darkness, under night, and slip away and will

725
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 4: never ever see him again.

726
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Speaker 1: Rob Sheeter, is it true that you just published an

727
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: article there is going to be a Sean Comet did

728
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: He Women's shelter for abused and beaten women?

729
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Speaker 5: I guess he could fill the whole thing up.

730
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nancy.

731
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: So last night I hit the phones and thank you

732
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: for all the support you've been given my sub stack,

733
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 4: and so this morning I posted a story. I spoke

734
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: to three different did He insiders last night saying what's next?

735
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: What is he going to do?

736
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: I've reported about the comeback up potentially with Kanye West.

737
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: What else does he plan to do?

738
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Speaker 4: And all my sources told me that he's going to

739
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 4: use this moment as a marketing opportunity. He is shameless.

740
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: This is a chance for him to bounce back. He

741
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 4: thinks to be bigger than ever, and I can see

742
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: him Nancy standing outside a did He women's shelter, cutting

743
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: the ribbon, saying that he's a protector of women.

744
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: He loves women.

745
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: He's going to flip this narrative. There are no concrete

746
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 4: plans for this yet, I point out in the story,

747
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 4: but it's just one of the options that did He

748
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: and his team are exploring. How can he bounce back,

749
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 4: not just in music, not just in fashion, but how

750
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: can he get his reputation back. Normally we see celebrities

751
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: going to rehab, remember that, Nancy, They always go off

752
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 4: to reab for a few weeks. I'm told Didi he's

753
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: not going to do that. But he's going to open

754
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 4: up potentially several different shelters for battered women around around

755
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: the country. This is something that is seriously nan say

756
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 4: being discussed.

757
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 5: Linn Shaw.

758
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: Not not going to happen, never gonna happen. He and

759
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: his team can talk all they want. They can spend

760
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: millions of dollars on strategies. They can go on every show,

761
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: which I'm sure he will make his you know, comeback

762
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: tour being paid who knows how much money to I'm

763
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: not even calling that because to me, he's dead. So

764
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: there's no resurrection with this degenerate. Okay, it's never going

765
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: to happen. If we at the Warriors have to get

766
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: every warrior we know to go out and stop this,

767
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: we will do it because you know what we know.

768
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: He's all you have to think about is that Cassie video.

769
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: I think the judge, even you know, with no bail,

770
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: is like, no, the Cassie video.

771
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Speaker 5: In his mind.

772
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 7: I'm not a mind reader.

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Speaker 5: He is going to fall.

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Speaker 2: I maintain right now, things they may think are looking good.

775
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm reminding everybody all day, yesterday and today. He's still

776
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: a convicted criminal. He's still sitting in jail. He's an offender.

777
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Offenders don't change their strike. He will come out eventually

778
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: and he will reoffend or do something worse. He's not

779
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: going to change. I maintain these shelters they talk about

780
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be a nice pr stunt, It's not happening,

781
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: no way in hell under the Warrior's watch.

782
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Speaker 7: We're not allowing this.

783
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: From armand Wiggins on Instagram.

784
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 5: Did he no bail?

785
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Did he cries in court like a little baby man up?

786
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: For Pete's sake? You got off on three counts. Why

787
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: are you crying in court?

788
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: I'll tell you why.

789
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: Because he and all of his followers were convinced he

790
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: was going to walk out of the courthouse and to

791
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: his star isled party last night.

792
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 5: That did not happen.

793
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Speaker 1: And the judge doesn't seem happy with the arguments the

794
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: defense has made. Judge, please please hear the cries of

795
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: the victims and sentence. Shawn comes to ten plus ten

796
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: behind bars, joining me now. Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate

797
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: Warden MDC in Brooklyn, former Senior warden with the US

798
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Bureau of Prisons, on

799
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Speaker 1: and On, President New Daylight Foundation, and author of Who

800
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: Are You See It?

801
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 5: Say It? And Sees It?

802
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how you even have time to appear

803
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: with us tonight for Pete's sake, but I'm glad that

804
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: you have, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, thank you for being with us.

805
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Will Seawn comes stay at the Brooklyn NBC until his

806
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: sentencing In October.

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Speaker 17: Yes, Nancy, much of the dismay of Seawan Colmbs and

808
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 17: his family and supporters. He will be at NBC until

809
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 17: his sentencing in October, and mainly because one he probably

810
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 17: needs to be there, but secondly means time to complete

811
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 17: the pre sentenced investigation report, which I understand the defense

812
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 17: was trying to wave that so they can hurry up

813
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 17: and get the sentencing. And I have a particular I

814
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 17: think I have a belief why that was done, mainly

815
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 17: because they probably don't want to hear the impacts.

816
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 16: They don't want to hear the victim impact statements.

817
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 17: They don't really want to continue to go over the

818
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 17: office and conduct because again it talks about the violence

819
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 17: with the judge had mentioned yesterday in the bail hearing,

820
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 17: and as well as his family history. I think that

821
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 17: may be an issue for him as well, because I

822
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 17: don't think he wants to really explain his childhood and

823
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 17: how he developed the habits that he has, the habits

824
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 17: that has.

825
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 16: Come to what we saw in the testimony in his trial.

826
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Speaker 17: So he will be at NBC, and if he is smart,

827
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 17: he'll keep his nose clean, He'll stay quiet, he'll comply

828
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 17: with the investigation and hope some of the mintingating factors

829
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 17: will come into play so that the judge won't go

830
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Speaker 17: with the higher recommendation of fifty one to sixty months,

831
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Speaker 17: which the government argued yesterday, and go with the twenty

832
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 17: one to twenty seven months that his the first.

833
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Speaker 16: Team arguing.

834
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

835
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Speaker 1: In a nutshell, choice light and veteran defense attorney. What

836
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: is a PSI pre senate's investigation report.

837
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 10: It's where a professional probation officer goes out and does

838
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 10: a full investigation, talks to the victims, talks to anyone

839
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 10: involved in the case. Usually they even talk to the

840
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 10: defendant themselves. I always say that my client can speak

841
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 10: to them, but not about the facts of the case.

842
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 10: They could talk about their family history, They could talk

843
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 10: about what it is that that brought them there except

844
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 10: the facts of the case. I mean, what brought them

845
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 10: to that point in their life.

846
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: But it's it's so that.

847
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 10: Way the judge could have a neutral and independent look

848
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 10: at the history, the history of the person, so that

849
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 10: way they can make the most fair determination.

850
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 5: You want to hear what you're saying.

851
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: I like the part about hearing what the victims have

852
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: to say at the PSI President's Investigation.

853
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: Report, this is our criminal justice system.

854
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: You need to hear Sean Comes talk about how I

855
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: got here. Do I need for him to tell the

856
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: story of his childhood?

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00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 10: Yes, you do, Nancy, because that's part of the mommy

858
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 10: and daddy.

859
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 5: Because I'm a sex trafficker, excuse me, a pimp.

860
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 10: A judge needs to weigh all the mitigating and aggravating factors.

861
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: That means the things that.

862
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 10: Go into favor and things that go against him.

863
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Sidney Sandridge arning me Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Isn't it true?

864
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: In court yesterday the defense tried to force a bail

865
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Speaker 1: hearing yesterday so Comes could get out on bail immediately,

866
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Speaker 1: and as part of that, they said something about he

867
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Speaker 1: has to go home and take care of his elderly mother.

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00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 5: Was that the one in court in the zebra print outfit?

869
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 18: Absolutely green and cream zebra print. They argued that Colmes

870
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 18: needs to be an exception to mandatory holding for the

871
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Speaker 18: Man Act because of his responsibilities as a father and son.

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00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm glad you told me that.

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00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: To doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US renowned forensic psychologist specializing in

874
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: this capital mitigation and victim advocacy. You can find her

875
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: online at panther mitigation dot com on Twitter at trial Doc.

876
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: She's the author of Criminal Behavior and I really like

877
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: this one where law and psychology inter issues with legal psychology.

878
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: Not to denigrate the.

879
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: Other guests, but saving the best for last, not to

880
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz has to take care of his elderly mom.

881
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: She's been in court totally decked out like a fashion model,

882
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: walking the runway on fashion week every date.

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Speaker 5: Not judging. She's gorgeous, she's beautiful, but she does not

884
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Speaker 5: need looking after inn Oh and what is this about?

885
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 5: He needs to be there to take care of his children.

886
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Where were his children during all those free costs and

887
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: all the traveling all around the world so he could

888
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: evade justice and a free cost in other country hotels.

889
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 5: That's exactly right.

890
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 19: There are many criminal defendants who need to take care

891
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 19: of their elderly or sickly loved ones and their children,

892
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 19: and yet they don't get a defense lawyer who stands

893
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 19: up in the courtroom and says with a straight face, Oh,

894
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 19: he needs an exception to the rules that apply to

895
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 19: the rest of the mere mortal war world. Because he

896
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 19: has money and fame and a life to live. This

897
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 19: mitigation that I'm hearing so far is offensive. It offends

898
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 19: the senses. And to me, if he wants to donate

899
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 19: some of his millions of dollars to domestic violence shelters

900
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 19: that exist already, wonderful, that could be good mitigation for him.

901
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 19: But to suggest that he should control opening his own

902
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 19: domestic violent shelters because he loves women and he cares

903
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 19: about what happens to women, this lacks all credibility and

904
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 19: it's patently offensive, and it just seems to feed into

905
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 19: the narcissistic qualities that have come out about him in

906
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 19: this trial.

907
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: He Santika has been some of his millions.

908
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: Try this shee on billions, billions, as in brother billions

909
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: of dollars. Doctor Sherry, you know we were talking earlier,

910
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry guys bet me, doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist,

911
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: about how many people I believe, including the jury like.

912
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 5: They did in the O. J.

913
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: Simpson case, like they did in the Michael Jackson case,

914
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: are blinded by fame.

915
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 5: I mean, Michael Jackson is one.

916
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: Of the most talented musicians, frankly that have lived in

917
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: our lifetime. Okay, many people put in right up there

918
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: with Elvis, but that did not take away from the claims.

919
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 5: But the jury saw Jackson for the star that he was.

920
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: The jury saw Simpson for the star that he was,

921
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: and a star can be blinding, and I believe that.

922
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: I believe that's what happened in this case.

923
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 7: I agree with you, Nancy.

924
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 19: There's a sense that we have when there are well

925
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 19: known celebrities that find contact with the criminal justice system

926
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 19: and go on trial, that we already know them. The

927
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 19: same happened with oj Simpson. We feel like, oh, we

928
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 19: know this person. You know, this is the guy running

929
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 19: through the airport with a nice smile on his face

930
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 19: trying to catch his plane for the car rental commercials.

931
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 5: So that overshadows I.

932
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 19: Think in many ways, for a lot of people, the

933
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 19: evidence that they're hearing at trial, And in this particular case,

934
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 19: it was probably pretty difficult to find people that didn't

935
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 19: already have some knowledge of Sean Combs and what he

936
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 19: was famous for and his connection to other celebrities and

937
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 19: being a music mogul. That probably overshadowed it. But the

938
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 19: other thing, Nancy, is that a lot of times jurors.

939
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 19: They do see it like your story that you shared

940
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 19: earlier about the juror who said this is the best

941
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 19: thing that ever happened to her. They say this as

942
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 19: an opportunity. Oh, I can sit on this trial as

943
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 19: a juror and it can be a money making opportunity

944
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 19: for me, or give me some proximity to fame down

945
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 19: the road.

946
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 7: And that's a problem, that's a big problem.

947
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: You're right, doctor Sherry Schwartz.

948
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: Doctor Dwayne Hendrix is with us former associate Warden, MDC

949
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Doctor Hendrix, now that we know exactly what

950
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: convictions came down on Combs, does that give you a

951
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: better sense? And they are non bondable offenses, so I

952
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know how the defense is going to try to

953
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: get around that in the next three business days when comes.

954
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 5: Is back in court.

955
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: But that said, now that you know the counts on

956
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: which was convicted, does that alter your opinion as to

957
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: which pen which CI Correctional Institute penitentiary he will live

958
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: in as his forever home slightly?

959
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 17: Because in previous episodes we talked about if he was

960
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 17: convicted of the higher offenses such as rico or racketeering

961
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 17: or sex trafficking, he would probably end up in a

962
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 17: maximum or high security facility, but since he was convicted

963
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 17: of the lesser charges, most likely he will end up

964
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 17: at a low security facility, or perhaps, depending on which

965
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 17: way the judge goes, if he's sentenced to less than

966
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 17: two and a half years, he may actually end up

967
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 17: spending his time at NBC Brooklyn as a work cadre

968
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 17: or a trustee within the building. So, but more likely

969
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 17: he'll probably end up at a low security facility within

970
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 17: five hundred miles of his designated release address. So I

971
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 17: don't know if he's going to tell him he wants

972
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 17: to release to his Los Angeles home, his Miami home,

973
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 17: or New York, and there are several low security institutions

974
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 17: in all of those areas within five hundred miles.

975
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 16: So that's my prediction at this point.

976
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 5: Doctor Hendrix.

977
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that since Seawn comes beat three of

978
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: the five charges, he will now be considered king of

979
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: the inmates behind bars?

980
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 16: No, he will not be considered a king behind me.

981
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: Will, Yes, he will. The other inmates are going to

982
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: look up to him and celebrate him. He's going to

983
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: be king of the inmates.

984
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 5: He is well.

985
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 16: I mean, I respect your opinion, but I just don't

986
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 16: see it.

987
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 17: I mean in a sense that they may feel good

988
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 17: about him beating the bigger charges, but there's no way

989
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 17: a sex offender now in a sense of it's not

990
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 17: like he's being convicted of sex trafficking, but he still

991
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 17: has the sex connotation with the charge.

992
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 16: So two things you don't want to be.

993
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 17: I've said this before, two things you don't want to

994
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 17: be in the prison setting or jill setting. One is

995
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 17: an informant and the other one is a sex offender,

996
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 17: and he fits one of those categories.

997
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 16: So no, he will not be the king of the institution.

998
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: As we wait for justice to unfold and for Shawn

999
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: comes to be back in a court of law in

1000
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: the next few business days, we stop to remember an

1001
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: American hero officer, Jared Friddle comb PD, just forty, killed

1002
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: in the line of duty, survived by loving wife now widow, Carrie,

1003
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: and their five children sentenced to life without dada Mason, Jackson, Brayden,

1004
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: and Allison American hero officer Jared Friddle. Nancy Grace signing

1005
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,