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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A mom begs for help, stating, we love you, We're

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Speaker 2: trying to find you. This after her teen girl goes missing.

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Speaker 2: Now the cell phone pinged in a very unusual part

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Speaker 2: of town. Then the cell goes dead tonight. Where is

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Speaker 2: Madison and Nancy Grace? This is Crime Stories, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen year old Lake with teen Madison Rich vanishes after

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Speaker 3: leaving her home and her family is desperate for answers.

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Speaker 4: Maddie Rich is called caring, creative, and funny. Madison riches

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Speaker 4: at home on the night of August fourteenth, but sometime

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Speaker 4: in the early morning hours of August fifteenth, she leaves home.

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Speaker 4: Mattie always maintains contact with her friends via social media,

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Speaker 4: and when her mother finds her gone on the morning

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Speaker 4: of August fifteenth, she is worried.

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Speaker 2: How many times have we heard this scenario?

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Speaker 1: Why did this teen girl leave home? Why did she

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 5: Without her mom knowing? Who lured this girl out of

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Speaker 5: the home? Why has her cell phone gone dead?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to take a cell phone away

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Speaker 2: from a teen It's not easy.

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Speaker 1: She would never let her cell phone go dead like this.

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Speaker 2: Now, quiet radio, silent on all social media, and tonight

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Speaker 2: Mom is joining us, begging, we love you, we want

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Speaker 1: You and bring you home.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're going to try and help do,

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Speaker 2: bring Maddie home. Joining me in All Star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But for

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Speaker 2: a straight out to Madison. Maddie's mom joining us, Tracy, Tracy,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. I've got

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Speaker 2: a question when you realized that she was missing.

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Speaker 1: What went through your mind? Panic?

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Speaker 6: Scared, worried. We tried very hard to figure out maybe

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Speaker 6: where she once. She did leave very early in the morning,

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Speaker 6: so even though it was early in the morning, we

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Speaker 6: did go to some of her friend's houses to see

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Speaker 6: if maybe she was there, and unfortunately she was not.

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Speaker 2: So you go to friends' homes immediately looking for her. Now,

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Speaker 2: tell me about the moment that you realize Maddie was

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Speaker 2: not in her room and not in the That would

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Speaker 2: scare me so badly, Tracy, because every morning I hear

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Speaker 2: the twins' alarms going off in their rooms. Lucy gets

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Speaker 2: immediately when I hear that or earlier, just to make

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Speaker 2: I went in there and their bed was empty and

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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened, Tracy.

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Speaker 6: I woke up in the middle of the night and

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Speaker 6: I once ago and just pick in on her like

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Speaker 6: and it was very early in the morning, still kind

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Speaker 1: Was just, what do you mean by that? What time

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Speaker 6: I think I went in around four point thirty in

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Speaker 1: Now do you normally get up that early?

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Speaker 6: There are times that I do. There are times when

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Speaker 6: you know, just normally you know, some people just you

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Speaker 1: So you're up. Did you say four point thirty in

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Speaker 2: And what led you to go to her bedroom that early?

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Speaker 2: Because I peek in on the twins and my mom

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Speaker 1: Check on them. But what led you to go and

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Speaker 6: Just as a mom, I just you know, go to

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Speaker 2: When you looked in her room and saw she wasn't

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Speaker 2: The room was there? Is there a window in the room?

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Speaker 2: Wore her clothes out as if she'd been trying to

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the way how you

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Speaker 6: Her room looked how it normally was, The window was locked.

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Speaker 6: She doesn't always make her bed. It's kind of like

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Speaker 2: So Tracy you and I have taught before, and even

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: That's correct because unfortunately we don't know what she was

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Speaker 1: When you saw her the night before, tell me what happened.

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Speaker 6: She was fine, and she she was playful. She was

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Speaker 6: hanging out with some friends the day before. She was laughing.

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Speaker 6: Just nothing out of the ordinary at all. So that's

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Speaker 6: why it was very surprising. And when I realized that

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Speaker 2: When you realize she was missing, what if anything did

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Speaker 1: Tracy?

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I screamed. I went into panic. I looked everywhere

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Speaker 6: just checking everywhere in the house.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys have an alarm system, No, we do not.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a dog, No, we have two cats.

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Speaker 2: Was the door the front and the back? Were they

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Speaker 1: Unlocked when you went to check them?

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Speaker 6: The front door was unlocked.

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Speaker 1: Is that the way she normally left the home? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Did she have a car?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: Where was a family car still there?

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Speaker 8: It was?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Did she have access to your credit cards and

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: Has there been any activity on your credit cards or

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Speaker 6: No, not at all, And even to this day, every day,

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Speaker 1: Side, Tracy.

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Speaker 2: Were her devices her phone, her laptop, her I pad?

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Speaker 2: I know she had her cell phone with her, but

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Speaker 2: what about other devices?

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Speaker 1: Were they missing?

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Speaker 6: No, she didn't really have other devices, but her phone

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Speaker 2: Again, joining me in an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know. Straight out to Britney, We're

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter woio Cleveland nineteen dot com.

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Speaker 1: Brittany, thank you for being with us. I want to.

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Speaker 2: Focus specifically on what happened when Maddie goes missing.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you know.

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Speaker 9: So I saw this story on social media. It's got

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Speaker 9: a lot of traction here in the community, and just

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Speaker 9: from the initial interview with Tracy and looking into this story,

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Speaker 9: like she says, she's left her home in the middle

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Speaker 9: of the night, Mattie and then her cell phone was pinged.

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Speaker 9: An interesting thing in that Terracy has told me is

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Speaker 9: is pinged on the east side of here in Cleveland area,

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Speaker 9: which she's from the west side, So she's over in

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Speaker 9: the east Side, and Lisa said that her phone was

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Speaker 9: pained near a hotel in the area near Warnsville Heights,

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Speaker 9: some other locations on the east Side as well, and

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Speaker 9: then no more pins, no more anything. Either her phone

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Speaker 10: We just don't know.

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Speaker 9: So that's kind of the big question mark here.

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Speaker 2: You know, Brittany, for those viewers listeners that are not

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Speaker 2: familiar with the Cleveland area, could you go through that

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Speaker 2: very slowly again regarding the pings and the locations, because

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Speaker 2: Mom tells us that those areas are not areas where

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Speaker 2: Maddie would have known anybody.

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Speaker 1: For instance, if my.

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Speaker 2: Daughter is, let's just say, going to the mall, I've

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Speaker 2: got life three sixties, so I can.

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Speaker 1: See which male she went to. It's the same one

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Speaker 1: she always goes to with her little friends. Okay.

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Speaker 2: If she suddenly drove forty miles away and went elsewhere,

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Speaker 2: I would think, okay, that's not Lucy.

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Speaker 1: She would not be there.

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Speaker 2: Or if my son says, hey, I'm gonna go play

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Speaker 2: of the areas you're telling me about, Britney Weir.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so in Cleveland. Cleveland is pretty much divided up

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Speaker 9: movies with your friends. If you're on the east side again,

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Speaker 9: same thing. You're staying on the east side. You're not

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Speaker 9: really going from side to side. Maddie was from Lakewood,

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Speaker 9: which is on the west side. But then, like I said,

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Speaker 9: her cell phone after she had left her house on fifteen,

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Speaker 9: her cell phone was then pinged on the east side

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Speaker 9: a couple of days later near a hotel on Warrensville

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Speaker 9: these pings and police seeing these pings.

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Speaker 1: It's you know it'.

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Speaker 9: It's not normal for a teen someone's seventeen years old

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Speaker 9: if that's where her friends already be over again on

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Speaker 9: you know what's going on with her phone? Does Mattie

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Speaker 9: have her phone? Does someone else have her phone? These

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Speaker 9: are the questions that you know, we'd all love to

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Speaker 9: get answers to.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Mattie's mom, Tracy and Brittany Weir, Jeff

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Speaker 2: Casey is with US former Secret Service over twenty years,

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Speaker 2: board member with Cleveland Missing website Cleveland Missing dot org.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Casey way in on her phone going dead and

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Speaker 2: pinging in areas in the Cleveland area where.

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Speaker 1: She's never been.

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Speaker 11: That is obviously concerning as a parent for Tracy and

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Speaker 11: her family. Most teenagers do not let their phones die

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Speaker 11: and or you know, lose charge. So there may we

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Speaker 11: don't know yet, but we don't know the circumstances of

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Speaker 11: why that's that.

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Speaker 8: We're hoping to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm very curious to Jeff Casey and or

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Speaker 2: brittany where, what can you tell me about those areas

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Speaker 2: where her phone pained and then ultimately died.

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Speaker 1: And now I've got to follow up on that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Derek Smith, a high profile lawyer, is familiar with this,

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Speaker 2: I get it. If Lucy or John David's phone pinged,

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Speaker 3: Situation where is missing Seventeen year old Madison Rich the Leakwood,

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Speaker 2: I know her mother, Tracy, has been living in a

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Speaker 2: Her daughter Haley went missing. What happened with Haley? And

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Speaker 2: welcome Shauna. What happened with Haley is Haley cute cute

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Speaker 8: Sixteen year old Hayley Burns is talking online to someone

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is the mom Shauna Burns. Shawna,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Shauna.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning, you knew immediately that your girl was missing.

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Speaker 2: So many times I hear law enforcement throwing up roadblocks, going, oh, she's.

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Speaker 1: Just a runaway. Bs. She was held in a dog cage,

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Speaker 12: We knew day one that she had been basically lured

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Speaker 12: She was just a runaway, but we knew that she

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Speaker 2: Did someone actually say to you, Shanna, she's just a runaway.

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Speaker 2: Cool Jeff Casey, help me your former secret service. Why

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Speaker 1: It's staggering. There's no such thing as just a run away, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Maddie just graduated from Lakewood. Where is she?

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Speaker 2: Her phone has gone dead? Mom desperate for answers tip line.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right.

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Speaker 2: Now is a very high profile lawyer that I happened

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Speaker 1: Of a guilty mom.

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Speaker 2: I'll just throw it out there, renowned criminal defense attorney

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Speaker 1: Derek, Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Just a word to the wise, Derek, and you may

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Speaker 14: away from whatever is going on at home, whether or

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Speaker 14: not it's it's true or not. And then the instance

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Speaker 14: when you know the cell phone, that's very key because

446
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Speaker 14: some of these abductors they're aware that that's how they

447
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Speaker 14: can be tracked as their cell phone, so they will

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Speaker 14: remove them from any access they have to the outside world,

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Speaker 14: whether it's a cell phone, internet, and does not have

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Speaker 14: any hardline phones very much anymore at some of these places.

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Speaker 14: So it's very it's very frustrating, you know, very scary.

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Speaker 1: We love you and we're trying to find you.

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Speaker 3: Family of Missing Ohio Team Madison Rich pleads with the

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Speaker 3: public in their desperate search for their daughter, who has

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Speaker 3: been missing for more than a month.

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Speaker 15: Tracy Rich says her daughter, Mattie has serious medical issues

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Speaker 15: that require medication. The mother worries her daughter could be

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Speaker 15: in a dangerous situation. Tracy Rich is extremely worried about

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Speaker 15: Mattie having really low blood pressure and low heart rate.

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Speaker 15: These conditions required hospitalization in the last few months.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, a vigil has been held to

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Speaker 2: bring Mattie Madison home. What mom when she gives birth

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Speaker 2: imagines one day holding a candle at a vigil for

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Speaker 2: her missing child. Tracy Rich, what went through your mind

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Speaker 2: as you are standing there at this vigil.

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Speaker 1: I was very overwhelmed.

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Speaker 6: I was talking to people facing the lake, and then

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Speaker 6: when I had to turn around to speak to everybody,

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Speaker 6: just seeing everybody there.

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Speaker 1: Like I just broke down.

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Speaker 6: I was just so overwhelmed with all of the support

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Speaker 6: everybody that came out, especially since it was raining earlier

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Speaker 6: that day. There was some of Maddie's friends, my friend's family,

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Speaker 6: and even random members of the community that even said,

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Speaker 6: we don't know you, we don't know your daughter, but

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Speaker 6: we're here. Please let us know what we can do.

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Speaker 6: And I'm just very thankful for everybody's support.

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Speaker 2: To Angela Arnold, who deals very heavily with women and girls'

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Speaker 2: issues and violence on women and girls. Doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 2: renown psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angie, you're a mom.

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Speaker 2: You don't think about, you know, when you're bringing the

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Speaker 2: baby home from the hospital and you're getting them into

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Speaker 2: a pre k and you're helping them through every step

484
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Speaker 2: of the way, that one day you're going to be

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Speaker 2: at a vigil begging people to help you bring your

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Speaker 2: girl home.

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Speaker 13: It is every mother's worst nightmare. As soon as you

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Speaker 13: have a baby, you start to worry about that baby's safety.

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Speaker 13: And this little girl is only she is only seventeen

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Speaker 13: years old old, which all of us know means that

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Speaker 13: her brain is not fully developed. So whatever happened between

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Speaker 13: the times she went missing to where she is now,

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Speaker 13: there are a lot of reasons why it could have happened.

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Speaker 13: She may have been quote unquote running away from something,

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Speaker 13: she may have been lured away, But the underlying fact

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Speaker 13: is she children at the age of seventeen do not

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Speaker 13: have good reasoning skills. So now if she is in

498
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Speaker 13: the hands of some sort of predator, that predator is

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Speaker 13: taking over her mind and convincing her of whatever he

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Speaker 13: or she wants to convince her of. So she is

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Speaker 13: most likely in a very dangerous predicament right now, which,

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Speaker 13: as you have said, is literally every mother's nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Tracy Rich, this is Mattie's mom. You immediately contact her

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Speaker 2: friends when you found her missing, because I believe it

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Speaker 2: was Jeff Casey earlier was saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, friends are their world.

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Speaker 2: Okay, somehow in the aging process, suddenly Mommy's not number

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Speaker 2: one anymore. Bestie is number one. What did you learn

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Speaker 2: from the friends and you went out that morning and

510
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Speaker 2: started trying to find her?

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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened? How did that go down?

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Speaker 6: I went to some of her friend's house people had

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Speaker 6: not heard from her, or because it was early in

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Speaker 6: the morning, some people were still asleep. I immediately also

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Speaker 6: contacted the police. I think I contacted them super early

516
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Speaker 6: in the morning and they even went out looking and

517
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Speaker 6: unfortunately a lot of people have not you know, did

518
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Speaker 6: not hear from her. They were not there, and that's,

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00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 6: you know, something that got me really nervous because the

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Speaker 6: people that normally heard from her, you know, have not

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Speaker 6: been hearing from her. I'm very thankful for the Lakewood

522
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Speaker 6: Police though, because they took me seriously from day one.

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Speaker 6: They've been in communication with me, like they have not stopped.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's still an ongoing investigation. So it's heartbreaking

525
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Speaker 6: to hear shawn a story where people did not believe

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Speaker 6: her because I'm very thankful for Lakewood Police because I

527
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Speaker 6: you know, they've been supporting me since day one.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Where is Madison Rich joining me Tracy Rich, Madison's mom,

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Speaker 2: along with SHAWNA. Burns, Derek Smith, Jeff Casey, doctor Angie Arnold,

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Speaker 2: and brittany where. Tracy, what can you tell me about

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Speaker 2: the search for your daughter so far?

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Speaker 1: What has been done?

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Speaker 6: A lot of stuff has been done on the police

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Speaker 6: U their bolow put down a lot of the information

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Speaker 6: of you know, where they think, you know, she was at. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: there are some things since it is and I'm going

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Speaker 6: to investigation that I cannot speak about. But I am

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Speaker 6: very thankful to the link with police and the surrounding

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Speaker 6: police stations. Everybody's been very community. They've been communicating very

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Speaker 6: well with me, and they are following up with any

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Speaker 6: and all leads.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Tracy, were canines brought out? No, was an aerial

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Speaker 2: searchdown not to my knowledge. Question have you gotten.

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Speaker 1: A hold of do you have access to her phone records?

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Speaker 6: The police have been working on some things that I

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Speaker 6: cannot speak about at this time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I can't stress how important that is. The phone

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Speaker 2: records Straight out to Derek Smith, high profile criminal defense

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Speaker 2: attorney in this jurisdiction of Ohio. Derek, you know how

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Speaker 2: long it takes for phone carriers to respond to a

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00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: subpoena forever And there have been actually laws that have

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Speaker 2: been passed in some handful of jurisdictions that allow them

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00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: to immediately hand over phone records when someone is deemed missing.

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00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: It's very rare, but it does exist. So don't you

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Speaker 2: think that would be step number one? But now that

557
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: the phone is dead, not helping me track her, but

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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: I could see who she was talking to last and

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Speaker 2: possibly find out who has lurered this girl.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, Nancy.

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Speaker 14: I mean getting those phone records, getting to see who

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Speaker 14: the last incoming text messages, incoming phone calls were coming

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Speaker 14: from is extremely important in a case like this, and

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Speaker 14: especially being able to see when social media apps she

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Speaker 14: was on.

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Speaker 1: But also to.

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Speaker 14: Speak to the area. I do have offices in the

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Speaker 14: Laquid area, and I have seen some of the things

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Speaker 14: that the mom is doing around here to help find

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Speaker 14: her daughter. I want to commend her on that is.

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Speaker 14: It is heartbreaking to see what's going on, and I

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Speaker 14: can't understand you know how you're feeling and what you're

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Speaker 14: dealing with. But I do commend you on your efforts

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Speaker 14: and the community at large and the lake with police,

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Speaker 14: everyone doing exactly everything they can do to help bring

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Speaker 14: her back, and I really hope that they can find

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Speaker 14: her and bring her home safely.

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Speaker 2: Derek, what do you mean you've seen efforts by mom

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Speaker 2: to bring her daughter home.

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Speaker 14: I see the flyers, I see the signs that she

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Speaker 14: puts up. I saw the community rally that she had

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Speaker 14: in the park and everybody just really getting behind this

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Speaker 14: just to find help find Maddie and bring her home.

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Speaker 2: So, bottom line, Derek Smith, before we brought you in

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Speaker 2: on this case, you had observed the effort to find her.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind

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Speaker 2: not to see these missing flyers around the area.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Absolutely?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 14: Right, Nancy. I saw the flyers, you know, over a

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Speaker 14: month ago, going on my way to my offices, well

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Speaker 14: before I even knew this was you know, such a

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Speaker 14: such a large move.

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Speaker 2: This teen girl has now been missing for weeks, her

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Speaker 2: mom joining us along with another mom whose teen girl

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Speaker 2: went missing. In that case of Haley Burns, Haley was

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Speaker 2: found after nearly a year, having been held in a

598
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Speaker 2: dog cage and starved and beaten and abused. Tonight, we

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Speaker 2: believe there's a very good chance that Maddie is still alive.

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Speaker 2: Disturbing her phone goes dead in an area that.

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Speaker 1: She does not frequent.

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Speaker 2: In Cleveland, with one of the highest crime rates in

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Speaker 2: the United States, very often when a young girl von

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Speaker 2: voluntarily leaves the safety of mom and dad's home, things

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Speaker 2: go sideways. Bringing to mind Alicia kosey Kevitch our friend.

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Speaker 16: Listen, I knew early on that he didn't have any

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Speaker 16: other option than to get rid of me at some point.

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Speaker 16: So I focused on the only how that I had

609
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Speaker 16: was trying to stay alive as long as possible and

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Speaker 16: to get him to see me. My mind jumped into

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Speaker 16: some sort of something instinctual and that he sees you

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Speaker 16: as an object and an object that he wants to

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Speaker 16: hurt and torture. They can see you as a human,

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Speaker 16: and so I did whatever I had judici to survive

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Speaker 16: and try to it makes my son trying to say

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Speaker 16: this word, but connect with him in whatever way that

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Speaker 16: I could. And on that day he said, I'm beginning

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Speaker 16: to like you too much. Tonight we're going to go.

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Speaker 1: For a ride.

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Speaker 16: And I knew at that point that that was not

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Speaker 16: even availed thread. It was very clearly a threat and

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Speaker 16: that he was going to kill me.

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Speaker 2: That's Alicia Kuskevitch, who survived, as did Haley Burns, after

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Speaker 2: being tortured and mistreated.

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Speaker 1: What is happening tonight to teame girl, Maddie? What is

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Speaker 1: she living through?

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Speaker 2: Tracy Rich joining us Maddie Madison Rich's mom, Tracy, do

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Speaker 2: you believe there has been any attempt to contact you?

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Speaker 6: I'm hoping that she's trying to contact me. I just

630
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Speaker 6: unfortunately it's never been this long that even her friends

631
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Speaker 6: and social media hasn't you know, had any signs of,

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Speaker 6: you know, Maddie trying to contact. And that's just what

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Speaker 6: makes this just a huge red flag. It just makes

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Speaker 6: this just so nerve wracking because we have no idea

635
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Speaker 6: who she's with, where she's at. But every type, you know,

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Speaker 6: I have the chance I, you know, let her know,

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Speaker 6: you know, like Maddie, if you if you hear me,

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Speaker 6: if you see this, you know, please try to come home.

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Speaker 6: You know. We're hoping that you know, she's able to

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Speaker 6: try to contact, and we're just hoping that she's going

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Speaker 6: to be able to come home soon and be safe.

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Speaker 1: What do her friends say, Tracy.

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Speaker 6: They're very concerned as well. They a lot of them

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Speaker 6: were at the support vigil and it was just a

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00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 6: little heartbreaking to see how upset they were. They were

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Speaker 6: trying to console me as I was, you know, and

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Speaker 6: so we're in trying to console them. They've been going

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Speaker 6: on social media reposting as well, trying to you know,

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Speaker 6: see if anyone's heard from her. I mean, like me,

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Speaker 6: every day, I'm at least posting one or two things

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Speaker 6: on social media. Just trying to get the word out,

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Speaker 6: and I'm so appreciative that they're also doing the same

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Speaker 6: thing and their social media. You know, they're worried about Maddie.

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Speaker 6: They love her so much and they want to do

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Speaker 6: anything that they can to bring her home safe.

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Speaker 1: Tracy Richard, you considered bringing in the FBI.

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Speaker 6: We've been in contact with lake With police, and again,

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Speaker 6: it is an ongoing investigation and there are some things

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Speaker 6: that I'm unable to speak about, but like what police

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Speaker 6: is doing everything in their power to bring her home,

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Speaker 6: and I'm very appreciative with everything that they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Brittany, We're joining investigator reporter WIO Cleveland nineteen dot com. Brittany,

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Speaker 2: what can you tell me about the search and what

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Speaker 2: you know that's happening right now?

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Speaker 9: So we know that police they are focusing again, they're

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Speaker 9: focusing on that cell phone, but now they're just continued

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Speaker 9: to just continue searching those areas where that cell phone

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Speaker 9: was pained. I did talk to the Lakewood Police and

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Speaker 9: they say they are They told us they're doing everything

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Speaker 9: that they can. Again, as Terracy said, there are some

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Speaker 9: details that they're not able to share with even me

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Speaker 9: just because of this ongoing investigation, but I know that

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Speaker 9: they're working with other local departments to keep an eye

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Speaker 9: out and continuing to post those pictures so that Matty's

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Speaker 9: space is always out there for the community to see.

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Speaker 2: Tracy Rich, do you believe that police have obtained video

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Speaker 2: surveillance from the hotel where her phone less pained?

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Speaker 6: I get Unfortunately I am unable to speak on certain things,

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Speaker 6: but I do know that they're doing everything and their

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Speaker 6: power to find her and bring her home, and I

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Speaker 6: am behind them one hundred percent with everything that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: What is your message, Tracy, just.

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Speaker 6: Whatever our messages is, Please, if you see something, say something.

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Speaker 6: If anybody hears anything, if anybody thinks that they saw

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Speaker 6: Maddie walking down the street, you know, when they're in

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Speaker 6: the car and they're not even one hundred percent sure,

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Speaker 6: please do not hesitate. Please call local law enforcement. Please

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Speaker 6: call nine one one, Just please do not wait. We

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Speaker 6: know a lot of times people go, I don't really

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Speaker 6: know if that's her or I don't know if this

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Speaker 6: information will be helpful. It doesn't matter. Any little piece

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Speaker 6: could be that one piece to help you know, complete

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Speaker 6: this missing puzzle. You can also be anonymous. We do

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Speaker 6: not need to know your name. Whether you call your

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Speaker 6: local police, whether you call nine one one, you do

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Speaker 6: not have to give your name. Just please, if anybody

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Speaker 6: see something, please say something.

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Speaker 2: Shawna Burns joining us Haley Burns's mom who lived through

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Speaker 2: this nightmare herself. Shawna, what is your advice tonight?

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Speaker 12: Don't give up and continue doing everything that you are doing.

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Speaker 12: Get her name out there in every possibility that you can,

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Speaker 12: share it on social media as much as you can,

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Speaker 12: make friends with as many media and reporters as you can,

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Speaker 12: and know that they do get rescued. It does happen.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't always happen, but it does happen, and I

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Speaker 12: am proof of that.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: disappearance of this teen girl, Maddie Madison Rich, contact Detective

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Speaker 2: Michael Purrix two one six five two nine six '

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Speaker 2: seven six ' six. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,