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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody's LaVar Arrington here, and it is a big conversation

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Speaker 2: with coach Franklin this week. Obviously coming off of the

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Speaker 2: loss against Ohio State, we talk about that, but we

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Speaker 2: took the positives away and moved on and talked about

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Speaker 2: what's going on with Washington and what needs to happen

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Speaker 2: in that game as well.

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Speaker 1: Get buckled in.

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Speaker 2: You'll want to hear this great candid conversation with coach Franklin.

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Speaker 2: This is quite Franklin with Coach Franklin and LeVar Arrington

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Speaker 2: coming at you right now. Coach, it's a big one.

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Speaker 2: It was a big one. It was a heartbreaker. And

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Speaker 2: I just want to start off with the question of

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Speaker 2: for me personally, I want I want this to be

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Speaker 2: a part of the discussion of this interview because I

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Speaker 2: like placing myself in your shoes and I like to

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Speaker 1: Because it's just.

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Speaker 2: Cool to me to be able to come in and

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Speaker 2: have a conversation with you and compare how I would

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Speaker 2: have thought about it in that position versus what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool for me.

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Speaker 2: One thing that jumped out at me right away after

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Speaker 2: the game, was listening to the amount of anger towards

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Speaker 2: you directly, and you know the student who was calling

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Speaker 2: out that you know you responded to and it went

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about how do I handle that? How would

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Speaker 2: I handle a heartbreaking loss? Understanding that the fans are

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Speaker 2: going to be upset? But where is I think? I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what got me is your family was with you.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of times people fail to understand that

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Speaker 2: there's this hard line, like where's the line get blurred

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Speaker 2: between family and profession? And you had your family taking

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Speaker 2: walking with you. That's what hit me.

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Speaker 1: In the heart.

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Speaker 2: That hit me in the heart, and I felt like,

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Speaker 2: how would I digestic? How would I handle this? I'm curious,

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Speaker 2: how do you digestice? How do you handle that and

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the challenge, right You don't get

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Speaker 3: to digest it like it happens and then you're dealing

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Speaker 3: with it right away. You're dealing with it walking off

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Speaker 3: the field, You're dealing with it with the media and

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Speaker 3: the press, So I guess it's funny because I'm like you.

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Speaker 3: So the first thing I try to do in any situation,

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Speaker 3: they're invested. So I can respect that and I can

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Speaker 3: which doesn't happen, which doesn't happen unless there's passion and

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Speaker 3: there's a line that I can't allow to be crossed

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Speaker 3: as a man. So for me, the first thing I

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Speaker 4: So I'm already trying to steparate.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to separate that so she's not in the

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Speaker 3: heat of it, right, And then the young man's screaming.

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Speaker 3: I just took a deep breath, let him scream, and

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Speaker 3: I just I asked him what his name was, because

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Speaker 3: to me, that's a little bit of the problem we

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Speaker 3: have in our society now is whether it's on social

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Speaker 3: their name on things like that man. That young man,

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Speaker 3: I'll say, earn the right to have an opinion by

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Speaker 3: buying a ticket, whether it's a free student ticket or

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Speaker 3: he bought it or whatever it is. He's earned the

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Speaker 3: right to have an opinion. But put your name on it.

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Speaker 5: But put your name. If you're gonna go on social

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Speaker 5: media and us say.

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Speaker 3: Something, or you're gonna bark something out, put your name

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Speaker 4: So I didn't so crazy. I just I said, what's

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Speaker 3: And he started stuttering and backing up, you know, and

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Speaker 3: again I put myself in their shoes, and there's the

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Speaker 4: So so I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 3: What I what I What I also do, though, is

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Speaker 3: I look at what we've done here in eleven years.

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Speaker 4: I look what.

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Speaker 3: I've done in my entire coaching career at a at

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Speaker 5: And I think at the end of the day, I'm

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Speaker 3: Here saying to myself, the players and the staff and myself.

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Speaker 5: The college football Playoff ranking.

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Speaker 3: Just came out and were ranked six in the We're

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Speaker 4: And again, I get it.

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Speaker 3: I get the disappointment of that game and the magnitude

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Speaker 3: people are getting through this thing unscathed. And I just

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Speaker 3: don't know if we should be having that type of

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Speaker 3: in this position and have never been in this position

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Speaker 3: in their history, never been ranked number three in the country.

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Speaker 4: I've never been ranked number six in the country.

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Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, we have got

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Speaker 3: to flush this move on and we got to play

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Speaker 4: To beat teams like that in the future, we got

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Speaker 3: And all that other stuff doesn't help us get better.

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Speaker 3: So we gotta flush it, take it for what it is,

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Speaker 3: learn from it, and move on.

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Speaker 1: All right. I think that's a great segue.

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Speaker 2: And and I don't know, you're you're you're a better

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Speaker 2: You're you're a good man, is what I'll say, because

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Speaker 2: I I don't know how I would have handled that moment,

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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be to people who are supporting me.

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Speaker 2: It's just that that's a hard one. You're a better

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Speaker 3: But let me say this to LeVar, and I probably

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Speaker 3: should stop before I get going, But I think the

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Speaker 3: people that really know college football, not not not just

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Speaker 3: experienced it, they've studied it. Those people are unbelievably supportive

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Speaker 3: because they truly know all the dynamics on a national scale,

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Speaker 3: and they know all the dynamics here LeVar, Like, the

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Speaker 3: people that truly know are are.

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Speaker 4: Really really supportive.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think that's something that I think

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Speaker 3: really helps me is the people that really know college

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Speaker 4: So so that that helps.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that.

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Speaker 2: I really am, because you know what you're You're right.

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Speaker 2: Seeing the positive isn't is definitely more valuable than addressing

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Speaker 2: what the negative of it was. So I'm I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you said that. That makes that helps me put

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Speaker 2: it in perspective as well. So what we're what were

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Speaker 2: the takeaways? Like you've had a little bit of time

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Speaker 2: to digest it and put it in terms of how

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Speaker 2: do we get better from what we did this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: I know, I went on radio.

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Speaker 2: I gave an opinion, and my opinion was and listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not I'm not a sideline coach. So I

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Speaker 2: gave my opinion as an analyst, not as I know

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Speaker 1: And I was careful.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, obviously it's my school and my relationship

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Speaker 2: But I said, I felt like we were a little conservative,

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Speaker 2: and I felt like we lost we lost the edge

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Speaker 2: They outflanked us, but on and on offense, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see us go downfield.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because Drew held the ball,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want a finger point. I just

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Speaker 2: know my my criticism or my observation was, I felt

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Speaker 2: like we were conservative when I don't think that Ohio

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Speaker 1: We should have went at them. That was my take.

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Speaker 2: Now that's been getting out of the way of it,

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Speaker 2: But what was your take on it.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair, right, but I think again, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of things that go into that, right. I

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Speaker 3: thought defensively, we played really well except for three drives.

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Speaker 3: They had a really good plan on two drives where

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Speaker 3: they got unbound, gotten unbalanced, and they they outflanked us.

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Speaker 3: And then the last drive when we went for it

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Speaker 4: I don't think we played the way we played the

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Speaker 3: Game against a team that was scoring forty points a

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Speaker 3: say this, I think we played well enough on defense

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Speaker 3: to win. I do believe that, but I think it

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Speaker 3: was three drives. I don't think we played up to

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Speaker 4: A couple things. I'll answer your question.

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Speaker 3: First, we call shots, but if the shots aren't there,

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Speaker 3: you can't just take them.

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Speaker 4: This is like last year when people are like, just

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Speaker 3: Like we called shots, but if they're not there, you

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Speaker 3: got to take the checkdown, You got to take the

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Speaker 3: underneath routes. But here's the bigger issue really for both

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Speaker 3: our offense and defense. We weren't able to run the

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Speaker 3: and they were. So that changes the game. When you're

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Speaker 3: manageable situations if you don't hit them to still convert

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Speaker 3: on third down. So us not being able to run

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Speaker 3: the ball the way we needed to in that game

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Speaker 3: in drives, it affects everything. So people say, well, you're

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Speaker 3: not taking enough shots down the field. Well, we call shots,

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Speaker 3: but if they're not there, you got to take the checkdown.

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Speaker 3: But you actually called less shots if you're not as

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Speaker 1: Can I follow up?

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Speaker 2: Because the interesting thing about your point is I felt

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Speaker 2: as though Ohio State's defense was able to settle in

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Speaker 1: They were gearing up to stop the run.

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Speaker 2: Like, so, how if that's like what they're in their minds,

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Speaker 2: because I felt like they got comfortable with loading and

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Speaker 2: crowding the line to stop the run. They were really

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Speaker 2: they were bringing an extra man down to stop the

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Speaker 4: Times than not, Fat's gonna right. So we run downhill,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, all right, we were up on

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Speaker 3: I think that's my point is you love your school

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Speaker 1: Indeed.

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Speaker 3: And and if you if you got on this and

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Speaker 2: And you know what, And that's that's what I wanted

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Speaker 2: So that's a whole other thing. I get off my

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Speaker 3: Especially when ninety nine of the things are positive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

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Speaker 1: I know it's all oh.

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Speaker 3: No, but by not talking about this other one that

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Speaker 3: you're the only person I'm still talking about this last

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Speaker 4: I know that's what I had to answer. But we

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Speaker 3: It's hard to do because when they leave the football building,

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Speaker 4: We got to move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's like, that's that's it, like business

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Speaker 2: as usual, Like gotta get it done with Washington.

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Speaker 5: Like that's we gotta be one to oh this week.

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Speaker 3: And if we do that, we still got a chance

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Speaker 2: So I need to know, man, hey, man, keep the

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Speaker 2: I mean? You coach Frank uh you're a bad man,

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Speaker 2: that's all. Hold the course, hold the I see you

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Speaker 1: That was Coach.

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Speaker 2: Franklin, and well, we talked about it. We talked about

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Speaker 2: and he's right, we gotta flush it and we got

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Speaker 1: That's Coach Franklin.

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Speaker 2: You can hear it the whole entire deal at disrupt

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Speaker 2: You PSU dot com. Make sure you check it out

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Speaker 2: and go to disrupt you PSU on the social webs

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Speaker 2: as well, Instagram, uh, the X you know all of

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Speaker 2: those things. You can catch us there, and you can

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Speaker 2: catch me at King of the Mammals on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: LeVar Arrington at X. So we'll talk to you next

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Speaker 2: time next week. All right, y'all be good, y'all be well.

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Speaker 2: This was quite Franklin with the coach himself, James Franklin

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Speaker 2: and me.

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Speaker 1: You're guy the Hall of Steamer Bafar Airringsoner. You're to

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time.

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