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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the

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Speaker 1: Rough with myself Teddy Mellencamp and.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Erica Jane. And you have a smile in

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Speaker 2: your face and you feel better.

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Speaker 1: I feel better today. I can't even I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, because you were low.

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Speaker 1: I was on the low low low. Yeah, I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: feeling better. I have energy, my sister's coming to visit,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of things to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: All these things are good. Yeah, you look and feel

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Speaker 2: a lot better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy for you, Thank you, thank you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't look as hot as you. Erica walks in

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Speaker 1: and I go, damn, girl, where are you going after this?

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Speaker 1: And she goes the dentist.

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Speaker 2: The dentist, Well, look, I mean, if you'll remember a

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Speaker 2: couple episodes back, my dentist did come up and talk

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Speaker 2: to me and didn't realize who I was, meaning that

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Speaker 2: he didn't because I go in there looking crazy. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just felt like I needed to look.

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Speaker 2: You know how, sometimes you need to dress up for yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's one of the I know it's not like I'm

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Speaker 2: decked out, but I just needed to pull it together

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Speaker 2: just to feel something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to probably do that sometimes soon.

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Speaker 2: I think, well, you did it at the wedding and

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Speaker 2: then you got COVID, so hold on one second, like

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have something else for you to go to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that I can razzle dazzle up. Yeah, yeah, gotta

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Speaker 1: get my hair done soon. Question do you think I

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Speaker 1: should get just some hot low lights and highlights?

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Speaker 2: What's the goal blonde or what?

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Speaker 1: I think it's blonde, but I don't know that I

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Speaker 1: like the all bleached blonde, like I'd rather now that

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Speaker 1: it's growing into a pixie, have some dark roots.

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Speaker 2: But also, well, I think the thing that you're thinking

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Speaker 2: about is not one tone. Yeah, so I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's low lights or or highlights or dark roots.

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Speaker 2: Like I there are a couple different ways to go,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think you need to be and because

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Speaker 2: it's it's a real look to be one color.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think one color when my

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Speaker 1: hair grows as fast as it's been growing, which is nice.

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Speaker 2: A lot of upkeep, but it's a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of upkeeping. You don't need that, so let's find

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Speaker 2: a solution.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking like remember when Drew Barrymore had that pixie

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Speaker 1: cut and it was like it was kind of rudy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in the nineties. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like that for you. I like, I love a

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Speaker 2: pixie out.

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Speaker 1: Of pixie you did. I need to see a picture.

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Speaker 2: I've like, not shaved my head, but closely cut my

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Speaker 2: hair twice twice.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever do it again?

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Speaker 2: No? No, too old my hair for ature. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you why. Today we were blowing my hair out and

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Speaker 2: Lia's like, hey, like you got a lot of breakage. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know. And it's just like when you shoot the

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Speaker 2: season of Housewives trying to like do interesting shit, your

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Speaker 2: hair gets fucked up. Yeah, my hair needs a rest.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any sensis a now or no?

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Speaker 2: No, it's like maybe a clip in but I don't.

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Speaker 2: But like you don't have no keratins or anything. No,

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Speaker 2: but my hair is not I think. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: hate to say this, but when you go through menopause

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Speaker 2: your hair gets a little bit weaker.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, well I thought I was going through menopause,

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Speaker 1: but I started my first time having my period again.

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Speaker 2: Oh from all of the uh stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's been almost a year and three days ago.

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Speaker 1: I was like, which is probably also why I was

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Speaker 1: feeling even worse. Yes, and then I was like, she's back.

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Speaker 2: Well wait, hell, dore you.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty four.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I thought it was gone ers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, I can't imagine all the stress and

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Speaker 1: But they're saying that that's good news because it means

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Speaker 1: that my hormones are starting to like level out.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh great, but here we go. She's back.

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Speaker 2: Well that's okay.

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Speaker 1: But I like that I have the energy because this

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to get through.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get through it. Let's start. Let's start episode.

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Speaker 2: What is this eleven? This is episode eleven, Episode eleven,

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Speaker 2: Guys eleven.

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Speaker 1: But before we even get into the episode, we have

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Speaker 1: two little things that kind of we're all over the

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Speaker 1: internet that we must discuss.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: So Georgio says that's his Instagram name. He did a

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Speaker 1: post and he was talking about Slade Smiley's website for

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Speaker 1: his alleged production company, Yes Grayson Entertainment LLC. Georgio saw

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Speaker 1: a lot of red flax.

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Speaker 2: Yes It says that Grayson Enterprises. Is it Grayson Entertainment

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Speaker 2: or Grayson Enterprises. Okay, So Slade lists out networks that

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Speaker 2: this production company has allegedly worked with, sort of like

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Speaker 2: History Channel, CBS, Bravo, and NBC. So and Georgio did

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Speaker 2: are some big, big networks. Obviously, the Bravo NBC thing, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you know I could see where you would first off,

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Speaker 2: I first off, what are you doing? What productions are

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Speaker 2: you doing? But okay, the Bravo NBC thing, like I

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Speaker 2: can see the History Channel and CBS.

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Speaker 1: History Channel on CBS.

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Speaker 2: I mean, where does that fit right now?

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Speaker 1: All we're finding is that there was a podcast that

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Speaker 1: this company was a part of and it says I'm

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Speaker 1: Not Too Taboo, a podcast with Gretchen and Slade, which

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Speaker 1: was on Amazon. It's the only thing that Georgia saw

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Speaker 1: that Grayson Entertainment has produced. Also on the team page.

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Speaker 2: I mean are these stock photos?

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Speaker 1: They are stock photos?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And here's the thing, guys, like, I mean, not the.

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Speaker 1: Stock stock photos and not only that, and then one

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Speaker 1: page is just a template like it says like insert

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Speaker 2: I saw that too. Does that mean? This is how

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Speaker 2: I'm curious how Georgio ran up on this? Has anybody

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Speaker 2: else come up with has this been discussed before? I

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Speaker 2: don't want let me know, let us know in the

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Speaker 2: on this?

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Speaker 1: Well, because then he also looked up and saw Grayson

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Speaker 1: Entertainment belongs to an l else of another couple in

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Speaker 1: Mayes also says business has been suspended since taxes were

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Speaker 1: not paid.

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Speaker 2: Good old FTB. Honey, h well, it's pretty dead. Let

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Speaker 2: me be fucking with them. You're fucking with the FEDS

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Speaker 2: or the FTB, and you know why. I'm rolling my eyes.

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty clear why Gretchen is the one who

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Speaker 2: Bills, the bills. Has slave filed for bankruptcy? Do we know?

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Speaker 2: I mean I think somebody would have said it by now,

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Speaker 2: like you filed for bankruptcy? Is he? Can you? I

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Speaker 2: know that if you do a bankruptcy that child support

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Speaker 2: is a non dischargeable debt, no record.

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Speaker 1: No record bankruptcy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but how does he.

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Speaker 1: That's event?

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Speaker 2: And as we get on into the episode, we see

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Speaker 2: like what is his income? Where does it come from.

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Speaker 1: What is he doing on a day to day basis right?

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Speaker 2: Like, how is he paying four things? Or is she

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Speaker 2: which her answer, Gretchen's answer at the sleepover with Heather

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Speaker 2: number one the breadwinner, the soul breadwinner, and number two

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Speaker 2: obviously paying for all the stuff, which is.

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Speaker 1: Fine, which is fine, which is fine.

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Speaker 2: If that works for you, go out and say it

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Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, if that because she didn't want

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Speaker 2: to answer it, but somebody's going to answer it for you,

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid, so just say, yeah, I do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in charge of the finances. He helps me

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Speaker 1: manage my life and take care of my daughter.

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Speaker 2: I do like the fact that she has not married him,

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Speaker 2: and that to me is a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: So does he have judgments? Does he have debt that

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Speaker 2: Don't get mad at me, you put it on TV.

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Speaker 1: But I hope that she's not just letting him run

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Speaker 2: Well as somebody who did trust and got fucked. Gretchen,

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Speaker 2: I hope you're not doing that. No, she said she

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Speaker 2: has all of her own line. Wait does she said

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Speaker 2: they had a joint account.

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Speaker 1: No good, They've never had a joint account.

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Speaker 2: And she's always kept her own money. And she did

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Speaker 2: say I didn't want a man to financially control me,

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Speaker 2: which I think is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Very smart, wonderful. I kept mine all separate.

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Speaker 2: I remember you selling you telling us that, Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: kept all of your separate. Super smart. Yeah. So let

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Speaker 2: me ask you this, like, and I think that this

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Speaker 2: I know it's a stupid thing, but like, who would

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Speaker 2: go to Gelsonstone here and buy groceries? So how does

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Speaker 2: that work out? Like? You do you have a signed

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Speaker 1: We had one, We still do. We have one joint

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Speaker 2: I don't because I've never had to do this and

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Speaker 1: So we have one. It's called a divvy card, okay,

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Speaker 1: And a certain amount is put on there a month

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Speaker 1: and that's for like the kids' expenses.

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Speaker 2: Right, so the two of you could contribute the same

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Speaker 1: Edwin pays for that and then I pay for any

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Speaker 1: we quickly go over the divvy.

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Speaker 2: But like he's paying the school tuition, Edwin, Okay, he's

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Speaker 2: paying the mortgage is split.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Edwin, right, and then I pay for all

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Speaker 1: of the extras.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So like right now it's Rosa Shanna. So our kids

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Speaker 1: aren't in school, so like they're at the jumpy place,

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Speaker 1: so you're playing for the jump place. Okay, cool birthdays,

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Speaker 1: those types of things. I mean, Edwin has always been

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Speaker 1: the bread winner with us, but I've always kind of

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Speaker 1: kept my money separate. If it's something that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do, I did it.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure you probably contribute to the household and

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Speaker 2: to all of the expenses in finance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I mean I'm sure this will all

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Speaker 1: change as things go on, of course, but this is

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Speaker 1: how it was. This is how it was, and so

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Speaker 1: we're trying to keep everything the same way it was before.

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Speaker 1: I like that, and I'm just trying.

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Speaker 2: To now, yeah, let's just keep it how it's going.

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Speaker 2: It's running, it's manageable.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, and I'm just trying to be a little

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Well, I'm excited

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Speaker 2: not my intention. And I'm snapping, by the way, I'm

440
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 2: snapping because of some shit in my Yeah, I mean, well,

441
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: just repeating old ass patterns, y'all.

442
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 1: And then we're just reacting to what we feel in

443
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: the moment.

444
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 2: Instead of thinking about it.

445
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: Instead of being like, this isn't a big.

446
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 2: Deal, This isn't a big deal. Let's take a step back,

447
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 2: not react in the moment and say, wait a minute,

448
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: what's really going on here? But also too, that's why

449
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: you like the show?

450
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I wish I do wish she had said

451
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 1: that to tam Tama. I wish she would have said

452
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: it to Tamra, because I didn't like the way she

453
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: said it to those two, in particular.

454
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: What you mean that she said it to them or

455
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 2: the way she said it to them both interesting.

456
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: And especially without having said it to Tama, For.

457
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,479
Speaker 2: I would prefer that she had said it to Tama.

458
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: Not looking for an excuse, but looking for an explanation. Hey,

459
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: when you do these things, it gives me anxiety. And

460
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: the reason for that is I have history with this

461
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: and when, and it's not your fault, but I'm just

462
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: telling you the way I react when this happens is

463
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 2: you know, a deep seated and you know, and then

464
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: go work on that if you want to.

465
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, then the girls and Beverly Hills go to the abbey.

466
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: Emily is picked up by a man and simulates in

467
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 1: our course.

468
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: As you should when you're at a gay bar and

469
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: you're with friendlies.

470
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: Gretchen is pole dancing, and she says she's experienced and

471
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: pulled dancing. And then Emily says she likes Gretcha's when

472
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 1: she is not.

473
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: A praying content content and I I, Emily, you know what,

474
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: First off, why is it called Gretcher's. She called Gretcher's.

475
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

476
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of cute like Stretchers. Gretcher's was on a Stretcher.

477
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: But I would take Emily's food stick like taking food and.

478
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: Gummy worms and stuff, all that stuff over.

479
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: Again.

480
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh, Gretcher's bothers you that much.

481
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: Gretchers.

482
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: We've got Shannon with the cooking, Emily with the food

483
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: and the purse, Gretchen praise, what do I do? We're

484
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: not going to get into it. I'm sure we could

485
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: come up with some shit. No, I don't want to

486
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: see the praying content create. I mean, it's cute, I

487
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: get it, but I don't want to see it either.

488
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: All right. In the car ride home, Heather, Emily and

489
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: Gretchen talk about going to karaoke, and Gretchen wonders if

490
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: they'll play her song, and Heather forgot she had a song,

491
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: and then Gretchen corrects her and says she has four

492
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: and that Temper tried to be a singer and she

493
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: has the audio. Emily asked when this, Well says when

494
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: Tamra banged blank and insinuates Tamar was married. Then okay,

495
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: well what do you know about this?

496
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: Okay?

497
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: So, and by the way, you don't don't you are

498
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: a CIA level investigative operatives.

499
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: So I think when you get a bleep out of

500
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: the singer's name, shit must have hit the fan.

501
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: So someone says it's a gen X person. I'm gen X?

502
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: Are you a gen X? No?

503
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: No?

504
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,479
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, millennial fuck off? Was Tamara married? At

505
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: this time. I'm married at this time, and I'm fucking somebody,

506
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean anything.

507
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think the thing is Tamora. It wasn't fucking somebody.

508
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: I've never seen a worse excuse for being shady than

509
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll play my song, Like, don't you think, Wow,

510
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: that's what she was hoping for in that moment.

511
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: I think it is. I think she was hoping that

512
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: they play her song. It would be a nice blast

513
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: from the past. And she has four and we all

514
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: know how that goes.

515
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't heard any of those. I also haven't

516
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: heard Tamor's song.

517
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Tama was. I don't know, but

518
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't not trying to be a singer or performer

519
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: or anything like that. It was probably a one off

520
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: that she got asked to do. So anybody that puts

521
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: in their best effort, that's great. But the real singer

522
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: here in this group, in my opinion, is Heather, who's

523
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: awfully quiet about it. Or we know you can.

524
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: Sing, yeah, but then we're back and back together.

525
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: Heather, do it. Heather, and I expect a song at

526
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Bravo Khan and I'm not.

527
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: Kidding oh, I haven't heard anything about that.

528
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to see her out there. I Erica.

529
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: I am going to corner Heather at the right time

530
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: with no one around, and I'm gonna be like, bitch,

531
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: I know you can sing because our voice teacher told

532
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: me so. And I want you to sing, not for

533
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: anybody else, just quietly for me.

534
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: You want your own performance.

535
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to. I just want I know

536
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: she can sing.

537
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: I want to hear it.

538
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: She she has a voice.

539
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Then back at Heather sleepover Gretchen FaceTime slade. At this point,

540
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: I think Gretchen's pretty sloshed.

541
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can hear it in the slurring.

542
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hear it in the slurring. You can

543
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: see it with like.

544
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: The throvements in the air, all of it.

545
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh gosh, the next thing, she's gonna ask

546
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: for chips. I'm so angry. He is so excited to

547
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: jump into this conversation.

548
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: Well again, another wannabe orange holder. We've said this before. Oh,

549
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: and by all means, like all of you who said

550
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: I'd never been loved by a man before that ever

551
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: stuck up for me. You were right, you were fucking right. Yeah,

552
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: you're right. But not like that, like I can handle

553
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: my own shit. Okay, keep going.

554
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: Well, then he claims that not only was Tama recording

555
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: a song with the singer and they messed around, they

556
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: forgot the audio.

557
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: I was on like I've spent a lot of time

558
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 2: in his studio.

559
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: And that there's audio of them having sex.

560
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: So what did the inch near do?

561
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like, hey, hey.

562
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: Let's let this roll, like nobody loving this loving this?

563
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: So did the engineer? Not was the engineer in now?

564
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry if this happened and we had to

565
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: remember this happened. What is it fourteen between fourteen and

566
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: eighteen years ago? It happened in twenty ten, So how

567
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: many years ago is that?

568
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: Fifteen?

569
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago? You don't think this would have come

570
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: out by now?

571
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: Well I was kind of thinking that too, like, we don't.

572
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Think this would have already hit the pages.

573
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: And reality blurb picked it out. I'm gree this fucking shit,

574
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: this life, this Housewives universe is so fucking great. I'm

575
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: telling you, I.

576
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: Could just imagine Slade. He's like at home, he's got

577
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: makeup on, he's got his ringer at X volume, and

578
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: his on camera phone call, he's ready for his moment

579
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: with his glasses, with his glasses on.

580
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: But he was ready with the facts, but then he

581
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: wasn't ready for Like, here's the thing all the girls

582
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: were asking, was we want to hear the song? Yeah,

583
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: the girls wanted to hear the Tamra song. And he

584
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: was like, well, you know what the real what the

585
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: real that gotcha gotcha is is that this alleged encounter

586
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: was recorded. Because okay, he claims there's audio of them

587
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: having sex. If so, Tamra, you're a rock star. Put

588
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: it out. Gretchen says she's never heard she's never had

589
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: the audio.

590
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: But she's heard it. She's saying she heard the audio,

591
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: but she doesn't happen.

592
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: So who's computer is this?

593
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, she said she had the audio of the

594
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: So who produced this shit? There's two different tho.

595
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: I want to know who's the session, who ran the session?

596
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: And who where are these files? Yeah, and how did

597
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: they get sent the files? If this is a no

598
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: hate thing, then who has these files? Who has these

599
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: audio files? And how did they get shipped out?

600
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: That's that and also the fact that there's two totally

601
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: separate things that we're discussing here. Yes, clearly there's this

602
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: thing from No Hate where there's music being played. But

603
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: now Slade adding in that he also heard the When

604
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: did you hear the audio?

605
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: And well, not only that, who sent it to.

606
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: You fifteen years ago? You remember it?

607
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: So were you in the same session and you heard

608
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: it in studio? Or did someone send you the session this.

609
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Part of Grayson Enterprises or Grayson What's Ells?

610
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know Van I's LLC. Guys.

611
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because my life's the shambles, you know,

612
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: it's I don't think I'm being rude.

613
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: But then they never send the song all that, Then

614
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: they never.

615
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Saw all that. We never get to hear it, And

616
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: don't say that you can't play it, that you didn't

617
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: get the rights to it, then put it on your

618
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: fucking Instagram. Yeah, then don't tell me this is what

619
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear. Well, we can't play it, bitch,

620
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: as you can.

621
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: Well you just talked about it.

622
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: Well not only that, Well, we could never get it cleared.

623
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: Yeah you can, yes you could, Yeah you can.

624
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: There are many ways to do this.

625
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the song was like a

626
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Tina Turner song. No, no, no, I'm pretty sure.

627
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: And if you've got her vocals, I heard isolated vocals

628
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: and let them out.

629
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: But then the next morning at breakfast, Emily asks Gretchen

630
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: if she will ever get married to Slade.

631
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: This is what we're talking about here, This is the

632
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: meat and potatoes of this. She and Gretchen used to

633
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: worry about getting married to him years ago because he

634
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: was getting caught up with back debt. Valid she didn't

635
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: want to take it on in the marriage agreed, good girl.

636
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: She mentions that they are financially separate. Yay, Gretchen. She

637
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: pays for everything and the house is in her name. Okay,

638
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: even groceries come out of her bank account. Okay, hey

639
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: that's fine. So you run him.

640
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: But she didn't fully say that. She beat around the bush,

641
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: saying that.

642
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they had to pull it out of

643
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: her as only Emily can do but lawyer skills. But

644
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: these are the things that she said. I don't I mean,

645
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: if that's how she wants to live. It seems to

646
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: me that she likes Slade but does not trust Slade.

647
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: It seems to me like she likes Slade. They have

648
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: a good life, They have a daughter together.

649
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: And that's great and they just want to because did

650
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: you see where Emily said, I married Shane, I don't

651
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: have a pre nap. I married Tom. I didn't have

652
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: a pre nap.

653
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

654
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't know about Heather and Terry,

655
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: but who cares. I mean, you know, they're not going

656
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: to unravel that anyway.

657
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell.

658
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh, Heather and Terry and her there have combined finances. Yes,

659
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: and he says they're one person, and they are he

660
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: is correct in that. So yeah, you're basically talking to

661
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: one person.

662
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: Who do you think was more Matt Gretchen at this

663
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: being talked about the next day, when she had hoped

664
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: that everybody had forgotten what she said, or or the

665
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: guy who was having to make the eggs.

666
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: By the way, who I think is the herbal chef

667
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: the Denise Richards weed dinner. I think, honey, is that

668
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: you because you need to come. I think that's Sam

669
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: where he goes bro dude, Denise Richards is fucked up

670
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: and she was like, go wash ther show, wash the show.

671
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're on the.

672
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Show, the show at this current moment.

673
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the same guy. The herbal chef

674
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: is that you babe, I have his number. I'm gonna

675
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: text because he needs to cook for me.

676
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: But I don't think he ever gave them the eggs

677
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: that they.

678
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: Were no And I love that he was like, I

679
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: am doing that.

680
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: He's like, because I checked all their plates afterwards and

681
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no one got.

682
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: These, No one got these these eggs.

683
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: The eggs over hard, No no one got them.

684
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't do that.

685
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Then Gretchen tells Emily and Heather that they got her

686
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: in trouble. Then they're getting.

687
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: Massages well, and then wait, hold on. Emily says everything

688
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: between she and Shane is joy and she didn't sign

689
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: a prenup understand, Yeah, got.

690
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: That for sure. And then Gretchen tells Emily and Heather

691
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: they got her in trouble about bringing up Tamra's audio.

692
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: Gretchen doesn't want them to say anything, and Gretchen says

693
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: she's never said anything about an affair that was slack.

694
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: That's not true because in the car she may not

695
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: have remembered that.

696
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: But then Emily says she took the situation and made

697
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: them villains. She also says Gretchen and Tamara are the

698
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: same because they both tried to expose each other's affairs.

699
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: At the morning after trying to say, look, you said

700
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: what you said, Yeah, Tamor's going to find out about it.

701
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: You should actually go to her first and be like, hey,

702
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: just so you know, I said some fucked up shit.

703
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: But let's now, is this going to be like expose

704
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: each other's affairs?

705
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: This is going to be this is going to turn

706
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: into a massive thing.

707
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think it's going to turn into

708
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: a big thing.

709
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, because now it's going to show up. Leading up

710
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: until now, they've been kind of putting it all on Tam.

711
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: TAM's bringing up the past, even though has slowly been

712
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: bread crumbing bread crumbing. But watching this scene and then

713
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Qretchen's remorse afterwards, like that panic that this is going

714
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: to come by me in the ass.

715
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: It is going to come by you.

716
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: In the plan all along. I wonder how long she's

717
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: been trying to get this story out there.

718
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: Well, apparently since reality blurb in twenty seventeen. No, I

719
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: don't know that to be true. I'm just speculating, so

720
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: don't get mad at me, But somebody wanted this story

721
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: out for a long time.

722
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Somebody wanted this story out for a long time, and

723
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like a little bit ridiculous.

724
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, who cares? I mean, the press, Why are we digging?

725
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: It's old beef. It's just eighteen year old seventeen year

726
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: old beef. We've talked about this on the show before,

727
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: about how they're going back and talking about these old things.

728
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: And now you had an affair. Well, you had an affair.

729
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy is back and forth. Who fucking cares. It's over.

730
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: You guys have current lives and that's where it should be.

731
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: And I don't. And you guys can say I'm being biased.

732
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: I do not think Tamar had an affair with this man.

733
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: I have no idea, so I can't speculate. I mean,

734
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I don't know enough to say.

735
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't don't.

736
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: Think that there would be audio of a sexual encounter,

737
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: well on a in a studiodio where you're recording a

738
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: no hate.

739
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: That's my point. Like, if you were kicking it in

740
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: the studio and it was four am, and you were

741
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: with some hot person, you know, and you wanted to

742
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: suck his dick, and maybe the engineer left the mic open, Okay,

743
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: but I don't think that's what's happening.

744
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what's happening here. I think they're

745
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: trying to make it into something into something more kind

746
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: of like naked wasted.

747
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: Kind of like naked wasted. Here's the other thing too,

748
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: If you got this audio, drop it. Yeah, you don't

749
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: have this audio, don't don't allude to things that may

750
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: or may not be.

751
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: And also, why is you're not offended when Emily is

752
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: clearly trying to get her tipsy?

753
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: I saw that too.

754
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she wasn't offended at all because.

755
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: She because you know why, then she can go back

756
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: and say Emily got me tipsy. And that's why I

757
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: was talking all this ship and that's the perfect cover.

758
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh.

759
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: I went over to Heather's and we went out. We

760
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: went to the abbey and we had so many drinks

761
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: and then I said this stuff, but I don't really

762
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: remember what I said in the car what the camera does?

763
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: And and then I called Slade and instead of playing

764
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: the song like the girls were asking.

765
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 2: We discussed more about Tamera. And now it's the next

766
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: morning with the herbal chef. I think it's you, and

767
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: now I'm having regret.

768
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Regret and eggs and.

769
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Regret and not even prepared the way I requested. Regretful eggs,

770
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: regretful eggs.

771
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Then we go back to Temecula. A lot of this

772
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: episode was at the slumber party, which is cute.

773
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: I like it was cute. It's fun.

774
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Heather shout out to Wonder Tents. That's my guess

775
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: who did it?

776
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, hey.

777
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: But you know it was fun and nice. I wonder

778
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: if Heather actually slept in that.

779
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Room, I mean maybe for ten minutes.

780
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

781
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: I don't wonder if any of them slept.

782
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: In that room where they rotated into the room where

783
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: they were.

784
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: Having Who is liking how Gavin has to spend the

785
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: night with us with his iPhone just in case something

786
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: jumps up. Who is the Gavin down there? I don't know.

787
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: Probably Gavin probably.

788
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: Per gave for Gavin.

789
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: I love you, we love you, Gavin, miss you. Then

790
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: Shannon tells the group in Temecula her history with her

791
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: parents and how it was.

792
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: It was it was difficult, yeah.

793
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: And then Tamus brings up Shannon's dad having a drinking problem.

794
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: Okay, stop right there, we saw Shannon's dad earlier this year.

795
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: He's a sweet man. Yeah, here's the thing, and this

796
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: is why I think Shannon gets hurt. Like she can

797
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: talk about her dad having a drinking problem, but you can't.

798
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: And it's like I can talk about what a horrible

799
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: person Tom Girardi was, but when somebody else does, I'm

800
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. I get a little like Hold on

801
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: a second, you know what I mean, Like, because it's

802
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: the instinct of protecting people that have been in your

803
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: life for a very long time.

804
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: Even if that person is trying to give you comfort, it.

805
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter just the other way. But it's also even

806
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: if it's under the guise of comfort, their relationship is

807
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: not the best anyway. Yeah, it's always teetering on. You

808
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: said this, and then you've got her calling her an alcoholic.

809
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: So this right here, for me is a lot of

810
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: you know.

811
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: And then Shannon said she didn't like that her I've

812
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: a conversation with Tamara was brought up on camera.

813
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: We all know this. No private conversations in this world.

814
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You know better than that. She knows better

815
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: than that, we know better than that. The audience knows

816
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: better than that.

817
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: Dun jin speaks might be for the first time.

818
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: This episode, Yeah, which is fine with me.

819
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: She thinks that Tamora is trying to lay out that

820
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: Shannon's father suffered from alcoholism, so that the connection can

821
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: be made that it runs in the family, because Gina

822
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: was kind of the opposite ways, like she was like, no,

823
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: I think she was just trying to be a friend,

824
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: and then.

825
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: Gin's like, no, I think maybe we're pointing out something

826
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: else here. Yeah, either way, the man's ninety six.

827
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: Either way, the man is ninety six, and everybody's made

828
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: their time sessions already. But Shannon is clearly upset.

829
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: She said she her therapist told her not to come. Well,

830
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: you don't get paid if you don't, so we can

831
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 2: see how far that went.

832
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tamra says, Shannon doesn't even really care about her father.

833
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: That's not fair. I can't do that, Tamara. No, you

834
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: don't know that. But this is what she couldn't come

835
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: back and say, Tamor, you know, here's the thing. Then

836
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: somebody could come back and say, well, you don't care

837
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: about your daughter, you know what I mean, Like, don't

838
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: do that. Let's not do that.

839
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: Then it gets bad. But this is what you know,

840
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: clearly Tamara has been trying to be working on but

841
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: then whenever she gets plushed or feels rejection, she was reactive.

842
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: But you're going to have to suffer with those consequences

843
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: because you have to do better. They step back. If

844
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: you know you do this, you're going to have to

845
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: own what you do. And sorries only go so far,

846
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: because if you're constantly apologizing for something that you're allegedly

847
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: working on but you don't have control over it. Yeah,

848
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: you know. So I didn't like that out of Tamar,

849
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 2: and I think she's better than that. And we don't

850
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: need to beat up on Shannon or the relationship with

851
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: her dad because the truth is we don't know, and

852
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: maybe it's very complicated, like all of our relationships with

853
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: our parents. I mean, we all have very complicated relationships

854
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: with our parents. So let's not be beaten up on

855
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: the parents.

856
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: But I think this is the camera that Heather was

857
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: talking about when she's upset. She knows how to say

858
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: things that get under your skin.

859
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's more than getting under your skin. There

860
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: are levels of getting under my skin. There's levels that irritate,

861
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: there are levels that make me, you know, bitchy back.

862
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: There are levels that make me want to cry, and

863
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: then when you make me cry, then you can get mean.

864
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: Then I can get really mean. And so I think

865
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: that we have to I think I've been giving this

866
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: some thought. Maybe I think I'm right. You know, these

867
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: shows are here to entertain and have a good time.

868
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: And I was watching an interview I think it was

869
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: on Derinda's Serious, her radio show, Yeah, and she had

870
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Leuan on and they were talking about New York and

871
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: why it worked, and I forget which one of them will.

872
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: I think it might have been. I don't know if

873
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: it was. They said, well, what's happened is the shows

874
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: have become so very dark, and like, am I kind

875
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: of talking about this shit? I am am I talking

876
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: about what's happened on our show with all of us.

877
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: I am am I talking about lately. Yeah, Deunda and

878
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: Countess are right, you know, it used to be silly,

879
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: used to be silly. Now people are going to prison.

880
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: You've got you know, bad people doing bad things on shows.

881
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: You've got women's lives being really turned upside down. And yes,

882
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: we all sign up for we're also signing up to entertain.

883
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: And when it becomes like blood Sport, it's no longer entertaining.

884
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: They're right, it's dark.

885
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: But I think the difference between New York and a

886
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: lot of these other franchises is New York. You know,

887
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: the og New York. They were they weren't planned out, No,

888
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: it was kind of some hot messes going out there.

889
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: Or they were just some chicks that were authentically being themselves.

890
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: They were New Yorkers, they were doing their thing, and

891
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: they were they were fiercely confident enough in their own

892
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: skin to show what they really were really doing. Yeah,

893
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: but the shows have changed so much. And look, I'm

894
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: guilty too, so I'm not excusing myself.

895
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean I agree with you in the darkness. I

896
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: mean except when we go back to like season one

897
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. There was that season one or season two

898
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: where there was a suicide. Yeah, it's alcoholism discussions.

899
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Kim and Kyle fighting in the limo.

900
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: I could see where people would say that was dark.

901
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: Taylor's situation certainly dark, yes, but then it continues and

902
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: it perpetuates. That's I think what I'm hinging on here. Yeah.

903
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, then there's a switch to something else, right, and

904
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: now there's not it's like we're just always dark. It's

905
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: just focusing on that, digging deeper and deep right into

906
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: that one situation.

907
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: Right. We don't need you to be surface level, but

908
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: surface level is entertaining to a point. You do watch

909
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: to escape, you do watch to have fun. It can't

910
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: always be dark. There has to be some sort of balance.

911
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: And I think that recently, and I'm talking across all shows,

912
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: and certainly I'm speaking from my own personal experience. It's

913
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: been a lot more dark than light, and the lightness

914
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: needs to return so that you can laugh. We can laugh,

915
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: the audience can laugh.

916
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 1: But there needs to be real friendships, yes, yes.

917
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: And not transactional situations. But also too listen, this is

918
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: a top down problem. It comes from the top. It

919
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: goes into production, it goes into what people say on

920
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: social media. I'm sorry to say, but you know, you're

921
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: getting very mixed messages. It's hard to be authentically yourself

922
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: and then you find out that, yeah, I was authentically myself,

923
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: but that's not what we're showing over there. That's true,

924
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: and that's true. And unfortunately, sometimes or most of the time,

925
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: seasons hone in on one or two stories, and that's

926
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: what gets pushed so hard and there's not much comedy,

927
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: you know, there's not much lightness or that much comedic relief.

928
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: But that's my rant for today. Well, I know when

929
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: you talk about darkness, are women coming in to destroy

930
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: each other, to take one one each other apart?

931
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: I think before people were just living their lives.

932
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: And sometimes I think the whole thing has evolved and

933
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: become much bigger than they thought it would ever be.

934
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: And it you can and it attracts a different but

935
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: it's kind of the nature of the show, like it's

936
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: changed so much.

937
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: Changed so much, and so is the world that we

938
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: live in.

939
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: You better believe it. And that's a good point. There

940
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: was no social media really, maybe Twitter certainly when the

941
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: shows started, not Instagram, I don't think, maybe Facebook, who knows.

942
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: But it's a completely different animal beast under percent. But

943
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean I did like this episode.

944
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: I did too. I thought it's going to lead to

945
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: another episode that's going to be good. We're going to

946
00:44:59,160 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: have you.

947
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: Know, I think they go on the trip soon.

948
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: Where's the trip?

949
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Had I forget Amsterdam? The trips in Amsterdam?

950
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Well, Well, hey, Lisa, shout out to Lisa. By the way,

951
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 2: you see that nice Vogue thing. Love you so much,

952
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, I want and like the Katie thing not

953
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: filming with her, and now I guess the Gretchen thing

954
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: allegedly blows up so bad later on. I don't know.

955
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just bitching, but I do wish that there

956
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: was more balance, and I think that Derinda and the

957
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: Countess had a good point.

958
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there needs to be more fun. Yeah, needs to

959
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: be more fun.

960
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: And there need to be people on the shows that

961
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: want to have more fun. And we need to look,

962
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: life is already bad enough. We know what we're already battling.

963
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I want more fun.

964
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: You need to I know, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

965
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: like you deserve more fun.

966
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: But being on the hunt for fun is also good

967
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: and entertaining to.

968
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: Watch exactly, and there's some you know, fun things.

969
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: You can do, so we want to see that too.

970
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 2: Yep, we want more fun.

971
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: Thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Diamonds

972
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: in the Rough and we will be back, hopefully soon

973
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: to recap the next episode.

974
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much. Sorry for the rant, but not

975
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: really