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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold car Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt I just was doing

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Speaker 2: some digging last night working on my FI for Friday.

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Speaker 3: I figured as much and came up with.

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Speaker 2: Some stats on Russell Wilson just over the course of

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Speaker 2: his career and some things that even last year. So

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Speaker 2: we know, last year, Wilson had twenty six touchdown passes

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Speaker 2: in fifteen games, which works out to nearly two per game.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 2: Over the course of his career, he's averaged one point

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Speaker 2: seven eight touchdown pass per game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good number. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Last season he had multiple touchdown passes in eight of

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Speaker 2: his fifteen starts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, over his average.

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Speaker 2: How many such games do you think Steelers quarterbacks had

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Speaker 2: last year?

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Speaker 3: Three?

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Speaker 2: You will be over.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's been twelve and thirteen touchdowns

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Speaker 3: the last two years passing. Yeah, come bye?

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Speaker 2: Any pick had had one? Any one against the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph had one. I can't remember which game that was.

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Speaker 3: They each had one. They each had one multiple touchdown

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Speaker 3: passing games.

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Speaker 2: He did it eight times last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's night and day. I mean it really is.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's amazing to me that the Steelers were

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Speaker 3: as competitive as they were the last two three years

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Speaker 3: without throwing touchdown passes. It's a pretty key component.

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Speaker 2: Of five passes in two years.

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Speaker 3: In two years, and that in fifteen games last year.

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Speaker 2: We know Russell Wilson is a good deep ball thrower, Yes,

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Speaker 2: we know that. In his career he's thrown two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fourteen touchdown passes and just fourteen interceptions in the

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Speaker 2: red zone.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, his red zone stuff is really really good.

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Speaker 3: That looked like and that passed the tested in the

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Speaker 3: trobe too. Yeah. I mean throwing in tight windows, through bodies,

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Speaker 3: being able to see things, anticipate letting the ball fly,

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Speaker 3: but not putting it harm's way. There's an art to that.

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Speaker 2: Inside to ten one hundred and forty one career touchdown

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Speaker 3: Wow, you would just think more tip balls and you know,

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Speaker 3: weird things like that or dropped from you know, just

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Speaker 3: you throw that many passes, you would think there'd be

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Speaker 3: more interceptions. Yeah, even if it's not your faulting in

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Speaker 3: a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: Last season, Wilson had twenty of his twenty six touchdown

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Speaker 2: passes were red zone scores. Okay, he had one interception

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Speaker 2: one interception last year in the red zone. In the

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Speaker 2: red zone inside the ten, he was twelve touchdown passes

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Speaker 2: and that's where he threw his one interception. Twelve touchdown passes,

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Speaker 2: one fewer than the Steelers through all season.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean yeah right, I mean that's night and day.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even if you don't get those numbers, if

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Speaker 3: you can just approach that kind of production, how much

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Speaker 3: different would last year?

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Speaker 2: Bet?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I mean, that's a lot of touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: With those numbers in last year Steelers team, Right, they

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Speaker 2: might win thirteen games.

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Speaker 3: Right right? I mean all those field goals that turn

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Speaker 3: into touchdowns adds up quick. I mean, next a three

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Speaker 3: points a game would go massive distances for this team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Because of that, I don't understand quite why nationally,

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Speaker 2: at least and locally as well, people expect the Steelers

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Speaker 2: to backslide this year.

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Speaker 3: Greed, I think that the quarterback play almost has to

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Speaker 3: be better. Yeah, the passing production has to be better.

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Speaker 3: The defense, to me, looks better, looks better, and this

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Speaker 3: time of year, everybody looks better than they will be.

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Speaker 3: You know, as the season goes on, bad stuff could happen.

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Speaker 3: But man, I'm here, I'm with you. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: division's hard. We're not even talking about that kind of stuff. Right.

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Speaker 3: Who's the better football team the one we last saw

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Speaker 2: Which team in the AFC North improved more of this

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Speaker 2: year this offseason than the Steelers?

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Speaker 3: I don't think any.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any either.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe the Bengals defense. I'm trying to think

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Speaker 3: Whoman who improved period, like Derrick Henry probably improved, like

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Speaker 3: portions of teams improved. Derrick Henry improves.

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Speaker 2: Your way if you balance that out by them losing

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Speaker 2: basically half of their defensive staff, right, three fifths of

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't think their defense is better. No, the

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Speaker 3: more I mean, I definitely think it's worse. The offense

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Speaker 3: might be equal if Henry can balance out the O

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Speaker 3: line losses and they can figure that out. I guess

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Speaker 3: since he's d is better, but it was like bottom

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Speaker 3: five and the o's about the same. They're just hoping is.

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Speaker 2: Better though, because they traded out DJ Reader.

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Speaker 3: Mmm, I was in the state layer, Yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: taking back seven. Reader is a huge loss. I mean

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Speaker 3: he was a bigger loss than anything they gained. And

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Speaker 3: I think the offense is basically the same. Losing mixing

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Speaker 3: doesn't change my life. Adam Mems doesn't change my life.

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Speaker 3: The receivers of he Boyd's doesn't you know? Those are

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Speaker 3: small things. I mean healthy.

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Speaker 2: Borough for me, the biggest loss was Reader.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh easily. Yeah. Browns in their coordinator.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that. I mean, he doesn't call

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Speaker 2: the places for them.

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Speaker 3: Right, but it's a brain drain. I mean they lost

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Speaker 3: three or four the their best guys on defensive staff.

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Speaker 3: Browns are pretty similar now I think about it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like they didn't have Chobb for most of year. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Winston and those guys don't change much.

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Speaker 2: Only they was Jerry Judy. That really doesn't move the needle.

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Speaker 3: No, right, I think they're about the same. Where the

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Speaker 3: Steelers got better, especially on defense. I made both sides,

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Speaker 3: but O line and quarterback and defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which you want to be better at quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree. And I also think back to the

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Speaker 3: coaching thing, we've said this a ton. The Steelers chose

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Speaker 3: to make a coaching change, which you would assume is

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Speaker 3: for the better, where everyone else lost a key coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean one guy's two of them are turned into

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Speaker 3: turned into coordinators.

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Speaker 2: Rookies aside, there is there a team in the AFC

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Speaker 2: that got better at quarterback more than the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to count like Rogers in Burrow. No,

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Speaker 3: that doesn't count. You know that doesn't count to me.

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Speaker 3: Let's scroll real quick. It's it's not Buffalo, it's not

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Speaker 3: the Jets, it's not New England. I mean, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: I could say New England did get better.

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Speaker 3: They got better because the guys that.

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Speaker 2: Play changing out for Burssette I think will be betterself.

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Speaker 3: And he's been named the starter, not Minshew. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to go and be like that was drastic difference.

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Speaker 3: Denver's a rookie, but you would hope it's I mean.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you do even equate that he's

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Speaker 2: not gonna throw twenty six touchdown pass.

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Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say it's better it's a rookie too, No,

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Speaker 3: because everyone else is pretty much the same. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: their getting their guys back, which is great, see if

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Speaker 3: they can keep them healthy and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: But no, it's definitely Steelers. Yeah, who on paper, and

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Speaker 3: especially throw fields in the mix because he counts he's

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Speaker 3: gonna play. Yeah, he counts. I mean I might rather

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Speaker 3: fields of minshew. Yeah, you know what I mean, especially

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Speaker 3: for by number two with upside types, you know. So, yes,

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Speaker 3: they definitely improved.

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Speaker 2: I mean the only other team in the entire league

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Speaker 3: Atlanta, Yeah, definitely, I mean they did. They made two

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Speaker 3: big moves again, quarterback a corner rookies side. Maybe Caleb

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Speaker 3: Williams is great. Maybe Jayden Dana. We just just don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm scanning, scanning. The North is all pretty much the same, right, Well,

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Speaker 3: the Vikings are different. But yeah, it's not better no

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Speaker 3: than they were starting with Cousins. No, you're right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's that's a huge upgrade. The huge upgrade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we think they upgraded the defense.

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Speaker 3: I really think the defense is gonna be good. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: corner worries me a little, but they've made up for

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Speaker 3: average corner play for the last twenty years at times.

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Speaker 3: And the front, I mean, I don't think they need

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Speaker 3: the blitz to get pressure. Yeah, I think you can

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Speaker 3: help corners easier. You know, I think the middle of

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Speaker 3: the field speed and coverage ability has a trickle down

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Speaker 2: I think the defense is the chance he won the

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Speaker 2: best in the league. So what am I missing here?

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Speaker 2: Where's the disconnect?

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're not as good at receiver. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: know it would be great to have a Dante or

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Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson quality wide out on this team, and that

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Speaker 3: would go a long way to me. I mean, like, boy,

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Speaker 3: that can sleep better at night if you had somebody

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Speaker 2: But other than that, but given the way that you

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Speaker 2: that we feel like they want to play football, is

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Speaker 3: I think it's needed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be nice.

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Speaker 2: Don't know that it's going to be in the cess.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they're running the ball and averaging four

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Speaker 3: Mm hm, which is quite possible. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean if you look at Arthur Smith's what he

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Speaker 2: did in Atlanta, all those guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean an area that's starting to worry me is

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Speaker 3: this O line injuries and shuffling on aids.

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Speaker 2: Super concerned about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought the beginning of the year was going

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Speaker 3: to be rough anyways, just from youth, no continuity online,

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Speaker 3: you know that. I think losing Siamal who worries me

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Speaker 3: early in the year from the mental veteran standpoint, because

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Speaker 3: I think Anderson's a good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, Atlanta's front is not great.

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Speaker 2: That's That's what I was just going to say. If

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Speaker 2: you look at the three teams that they play, who

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Speaker 3: Not bad? Right in the Chargers Yeah, Chargers interiors really really.

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Speaker 2: I mean not having say a malo for those three games.

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Speaker 3: If it's not Chris Jones, it's not right, right, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you're just going to run the ball on those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I only thought of Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: I didn't think of the other ones. But there's no

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Speaker 3: not scary defense, dominant defensive tackles in that first month, right,

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Speaker 2: Know, I think you can you can get by that

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Speaker 2: first month. Yeah, while you while those guys kind of gel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the gel parts was worrying me is because just

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Speaker 3: when you're thinking the O line looks kind of set

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Speaker 3: or that's going on the right path to gel, then

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Speaker 2: Because I think I counted. I want to say it

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Speaker 2: Well see, I mean you know they played the Bengals

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Wilson, Mahomes, some of these guys are

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned about the Steelers age they have? According

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Speaker 3: See. I like how football siders FTN used to do it,

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Cam Hayward at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Again, that shows me that they don't have any.

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Speaker 3: I mean, does anyone else prime? Anyone else? Maybe? I

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Speaker 3: No, I don't either, because I mean they've drafted very

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Speaker 2: I mean we talked about that secondary. All the cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: At This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt one of the reasons why I opened

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Speaker 2: this segment the way that we did there talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all that stuff is at NFL dot Com, much

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Speaker 2: like they did yesterday with their predictions on all the

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Speaker 3: Okay, fine, stay good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I don't know on a few yet. I

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Speaker 3: It would be shocked if I went ten, ten, zero.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that makes more sense that one's is wide

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Speaker 3: I mean that you're counting on old, fragile dudes. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a real trend. How about this.

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Speaker 3: It blew me away. As a team, they only made

439
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Speaker 3: sixty four percent of their field goal attempts.

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Speaker 2: Sixty four percent, I mean, and that was a Belichick

441
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: draft pick.

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00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. The next worst was the Giants at ninety or

443
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: at seventy one, which is awful. Seventy one percent is terrible.

444
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 3: Imagine if Boswell was a seventy one percent kicker for

445
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Speaker 3: the year. For example, the best was the Titans. They

446
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 3: made ninety seven percent. I mean, they missed sixty four

447
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: percent of your kicks, is I mean? That was one thing.

448
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: Like if we start talking like over under totals before

449
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 3: these defensive injuries, I was thinking at least they might

450
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: have like league average kicking, you know, But man, they

451
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 3: have nothing going for.

452
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Speaker 2: This is wrong. So they have a little thing here

453
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 2: talking about this. If the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets were

454
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Speaker 2: all to earn postseason bursts a realistic possibility, okay, it

455
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: would be the first time three AFC teams from the

456
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: same division made the playoffs since twenty twenty. Well that's

457
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: not true.

458
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 3: It happened last year.

459
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Speaker 2: It happened last year in the AFC North.

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Speaker 3: Right, All right, come on, you're NFL dot Com.

461
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: You gotta get this stuff right.

462
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 3: Who edited that. Yeah, nothing mentioned it happened last year.

463
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: Who wrote this, It doesn't say that's just a collab.

464
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well if somebody needs a collab a little better

465
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: it just the three contenders in the East though, yeah,

466
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Speaker 3: you know, I mean that could be easily could win

467
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Speaker 3: the division.

468
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: It's still not as good as the North though.

469
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I definitely don't think so.

470
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Speaker 2: So this is a little surprising to me. In the

471
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Speaker 2: AFC North, fifteen votes for the Ravens, okay, eleven votes

472
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: for the Bengals, one vote each for the Browns and steel.

473
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Speaker 3: I thought that would be more spread out, Like I

474
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 3: knew the Ravens and Bengals get the most, but there's

475
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: a lot of Brown supporters out there. Steelers have a

476
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: pretty strong track record, and there's some bad vibes in Cincy,

477
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 3: I mean this Higgins Hendrickson thing, but especially the Chase stuff.

478
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: I think the Chase and Ayuk stuff.

479
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: Still not practicing today.

480
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's gonna be start to get like fine

481
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 3: time for Ayuk and Chase and it's getting I mean,

482
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a game a week from now. Yeah,

483
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

484
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: And they have done nothing.

485
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: They've done nothing, and they're holding out and don't even

486
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: show up for practice. Baltimore was so good in the

487
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: regular season. I get it, maybe dig in, I think

488
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: there's concern.

489
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Speaker 2: I don't know that they're a better team than I

490
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: think everybody's viewing the Derrick Henry signing and not looking

491
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: at everything else that.

492
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Speaker 3: Happened roster Yeah, right or right? Like, I know it's

493
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: a smaller thing compared to losing three fifth of year

494
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: offensive line, but they're backup running backs, backup receivers, backup

495
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: quarterback are really bad. Yeah, I mean they're really bad.

496
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Speaker 2: I mean their offensive line coach just died last week.

497
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: I know.

498
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: I mean it's has still been hit after hit after

499
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: hit to that coaching.

500
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: Staff, this offense. That's brutal. I mean, it's a tragedy,

501
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: but man, it affects a team a lot.

502
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: And he's a good offensive line coach. He's a Beaver

503
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: County guy.

504
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: Oh is he really? I don't know his background, but

505
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: he is very well respected and had maybe the biggest

506
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: job on the whole team.

507
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Speaker 2: This year, right this year?

508
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: Right?

509
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Speaker 3: I mean it's not we'll just run back to the

510
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: castro pouncy big ol you know, Like I mean, this

511
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 3: was a terrible year for that tragedy to happen. I'm

512
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: surprised that's not more spread out.

513
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: I thought it would be too.

514
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought maybe three to six votes for Cleveland, pittsburghah,

515
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: something like that.

516
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: In the AFC South, twenty five votes for Houston, three

517
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Speaker 2: votes for Jacksonville. Colts didn't get any, Colts got none.

518
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing the Titans we'll get any. Yeah. Okay,

519
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: that's pretty overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: So here's another way of putting it. If I said

522
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Speaker 3: you had to put a dollar down on Houston winning

523
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: that division or anyone else in the division, would you

524
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Speaker 3: take the Texans or would you take every of the field.

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Speaker 2: Where's the so the the number on this is the

526
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: Texans are minus one oh five to win the division, Okay,

527
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: jackson basically is even odd Jacksonville's plus three hundred.

528
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I assume which one would you rather battle odds

529
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Speaker 3: without telling them because I don't want to divulge our pick.

530
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to divulge that either. They're right

531
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: find out tomorrow.

532
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: But that's why I asked it this way. If you

533
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Speaker 3: would you rather put a dollar on Houston to get

534
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: that dollar back, or would you rather put a dollar

535
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: on Jacksonville to get three dollars back.

536
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Speaker 2: I like to win, so I would probably lean towards Houston.

537
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I don't know if the payoffs big enough. Yeah,

538
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: if the Colts were like plus seven hundred, I might

539
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: try it. I don't know what their number is. I

540
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: don't think Tennessee can conceivably do it. No, the West

541
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 3: is like the most boring conversation AFC West. It's unanimous.

542
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: I'd be shocked it's not unanim Yeah, I mean maybe

543
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: there was a hardball lover out there or something, but

544
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: it would be what if my Homes misses a month?

545
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: If I told you he missed four games, they still

546
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: would I'm still taking the cheap easily. I don't know

547
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Speaker 3: what that number would have to be.

548
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: Their minus, their minus two sixty, it.

549
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: Doesn't even pay off. I mean they have the easiest

550
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: path to winning the division of any team in the league. Yeah,

551
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 3: what if I told you Mahomes most eight games, then

552
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: it might be which wentz? It's not. Yeah, I still

553
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: like their chances. They probably probably win two of the

554
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Speaker 3: two of the six, or maybe three, maybe three, right,

555
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: they're probably going to go I would bet they go

556
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: six and zero in their division this year.

557
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, they lost two games in division last.

558
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Speaker 3: Year, not that the very un Andy Reid like, I

559
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: bet they wallop that division this year.

560
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. The wild card teams. Okay,

561
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: so they got uh points for this based on what

562
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: wild card position. So if you if you're the five seed,

563
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: you got.

564
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: Five seeds different than the six seed or whatever.

565
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: Okay, the Ravens got thirty four points.

566
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: So I guess all those people that picked the Bengals

567
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: win division vastly put picked the raison so you could

568
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: get both, you could be highest in win division. Okay.

569
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: The Bengals were second with thirty three points.

570
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: Same crew.

571
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dolphins third with twenty five points.

572
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: Huh, Bills fourth with twenty three points.

573
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: Those three should all be right next to each other, right, Yeah,

574
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: the Jets fifth with twenty points.

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00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: Okay. I was just curious if one of those three

576
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: be much different than the other, Like, were the Bills

577
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: the number two team for all the Jets voters and

578
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: Miami voters. I'd have to study it, but they must

579
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: not be because they all bounced out.

580
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where it kind of gets a little

581
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: hinky for me. The Chargers are sixth with ten points.

582
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: Strange the Chargers.

583
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna say the Jags over the Steelers

584
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: and Browns based off votes. I understand the thought process

585
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: and that by I'm no way I'm I picking the

586
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: Charges with division. No, but I'm picking them gonna be

587
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: in the top seven. I'm not you and I agree. No,

588
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't know that i'd have him in the top

589
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: ten in the division. I mean, I think Jacksonville's better,

590
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: I think Indy's better.

591
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh and Cleveland are better.

592
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: Clearly, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're probably my second best team

593
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: in the West. But I'm not even sure about that.

594
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know about that.

595
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm really down on all three of those two.

596
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they all stink.

597
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: I think they're all luck closer first overall pick than

598
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: wild card teams.

599
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Seventh with nine points. The Colts, I.

600
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: Mean, I kind of get it. I'm sure there's some

601
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: logic of AF North just beating the crap out of

602
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: each other.

603
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: How did Jacksonville though, Oh, that.

604
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense. I thought we already Okay, So, so

605
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: all those Houston voters.

606
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: People voted Jacksonville to win the division.

607
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: Right, So those three aren't going to pick the Jags, right,

608
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: so that all those others, there's twenty five others.

609
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: He didn't pick the Jaguars even make the playoffs apparently.

610
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they think the Colts are better than the jackson Yeah, yeah,

611
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: they're similar.

612
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: Nine Cleveland with five points, yeah, or eighth, I'm sorry, eighth,

613
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: ninth the Texans with four points.

614
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: Weird? Okay, but if you didn't those other tiyes.

615
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: Right, So they didn't get three first place votes, they

616
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: got two wild card votes. Somebody didn't doesn't think they're

617
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: going to make the playoffs at all?

618
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: Oh? I see? Okay? Weird?

619
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville got three points, they got two votes, two votes.

620
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Speaker 2: So five people think the Jaguars can make the playoffs

621
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: this year?

622
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, or will make the playoffs? Not can, but will

623
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: you know? Predicting it newer than that for the Steelers

624
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: and Browns though.

625
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, tied for eleven the last two teams on here.

626
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Adam Rank voted for the Broncos to make the playoffs. Really,

627
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: so nobody voted Steelers? Adam Rank, if you're voting for

628
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: the Broncos to make the playoffs in this conference, in

629
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: this conference, in that division. I got to question your

630
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: NFL analysis period.

631
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: Top seven team in the AFC not easy to do,

632
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: and they're a long way from that. Yeah, a long

633
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: way from that.

634
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: The Steelers also got one vote.

635
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: The Brown's got none.

636
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: No, the Browns got what I say, they've already been said.

637
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: They had five five people voted for them to finish

638
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: as the seventh seat.

639
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: So one out of twenty eight voters thought the Steelers

640
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: would be in the postseason. Yeah, wow, one, that's crazy.

641
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: That's why I brought all that stuff up previously. Where's

642
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: the disconnect with this?

643
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there've been a fringe or in playoff

644
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: team like every year. If we could imagine, and they're better.

645
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: Now, better football team Steelers or Broncos. Obviously, Steelers better

646
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: football team. Steelers are Jaguars.

647
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: That was when I was gonna throw you. I think

648
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: the Steelers Texans will Texans.

649
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelers are Browns.

650
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: I lean towards the Steelers, but they're close.

651
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: Steelers are Colts. Steelers Steelers Chargers.

652
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: Steelers.

653
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: Chargers got ten votes in this yeah, yeah, yeah, ten points.

654
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: I should say then I'm probably out Steelers Jets. Okay,

655
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: Jets and Dolphins, Steelers, Browns are real close. Yeah, no,

656
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: I hear you, Yeah, yeah, they're real close to me.

657
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: And Jacks are being there. Yeah.

658
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Steelers, Bills, Steelers, Dolphins, Steelers, Bengals, Steelers, Ravens.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't. I mean, I'm not predicting this or saying

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Speaker 3: they're better than the Bills. We saw them just play. Yeah,

661
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: you know, to finish the season the Steelers. But it

662
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: might be a conversation in Week ten who's the better

663
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: team the Bills and the Steelers might be. I mean,

664
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Speaker 3: they have some problems. They have a superhuman quarterback, which

665
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: is amazing, but they have some problems.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the NFC twenty four voted for the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Okay, real quick, I mentioned Aaron Schotz was on our

668
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: podcast and his DVOA. You know, they predict win totals.

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Speaker 3: Giants and Commanders were thirty one and thirty two in

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Speaker 3: the whole league, and he's super down. His numbers are

671
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: super down on the Eagles, so therefore he has Dallas

672
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Speaker 3: winning a lot of games kind of by default because

673
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Speaker 3: they're really low on the rest of that division. I

674
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Speaker 3: don't agree with them with the Eagles, though, I think

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Speaker 3: the Eagles are good.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys got four votes. Yeah yeah. In the NFC North,

677
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Speaker 2: this would be interesting. Twenty votes for Detroit. For Detroit,

678
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Speaker 2: I'd pick the Packers to win a lot of divisions.

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00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: Seven votes for green Bay.

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Speaker 3: Somebody vote on the on the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Adam Rank? I think, Adam, I don't care if

682
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: you're from Chicago or not. You're picking a the Broncos

683
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. Be the Bears will win that division.

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Speaker 2: You lose your vote.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty rough.

686
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: You lose your vote. You've now you're now kind of

687
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Speaker 2: veering into David Carr.

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00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right right, shock jock stuff, like just so

689
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Speaker 3: we bring your name up, you know, coming up with

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Speaker 3: I mean side note, coming up with seven NFC playoff

691
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: teams isn't easy. And I could see the Bears getting

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Speaker 3: votes there. Fine that I put them in there.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to finish head of Detroit and Green Bay.

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Speaker 3: Right votes in the division.

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Speaker 2: NFC sounds got none, right, but no.

696
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Speaker 3: Ok.

697
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Twenty votes for Atlanta, eight votes for Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I keep referencing Daron Shots. He is the Saints

699
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: and his whole thought process on it is they're the

700
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Speaker 3: most average team in the league. But this division is

701
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 3: so bad. Average wins it that the guy what he said,

702
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: He's like, they're not good, they're not bad, but the

703
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: rest of the division they're really down on NFC West.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the breakdown is there?

705
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Speaker 3: The Rams are gonna get votes. There's twenty eight voters.

706
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Speaker 3: I'm saying twenty eight or twenty three to five, close.

707
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: But not quite okay, twenty one for San Francisco, six

708
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: for the Rams, one Seattle, one for Seattle.

709
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: It's pretty bold. There's some not great bojo with the

710
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: Niners right now, the really Fred Williams ayuk stuff.

711
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: I was listening to a show today.

712
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: Lynch didn't say some nice things.

713
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: The Niners offensive numbers when they don't have Trent Williams

714
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Speaker 2: in the lineup.

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Speaker 3: I bet theyre horrendous, horrendous. I mean, the whole protection

716
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: scheme is you're one on one.

717
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: It's like a full yard less per play.

718
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: I doesn't shock me at more than a yard. Wow,

719
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: that's massive because it was just all they can help four. Yeah,

720
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: if one's a star and he's a star.

721
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: Or if you need two yards, you're run behind Trump Wales.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that with any of the other guys.

723
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Speaker 3: No, no, I mean it's a weird way they play

724
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: with it and the Dolphins the same way.

725
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: Wild card teams. Dallas got forty one points. I understand

726
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: that green Bay a lot of games. Yeah, green Bay

727
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: got forty.

728
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Speaker 3: I'd be shocked if those two aren't in the playoffs.

729
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Detroit got twenty one, Okay, San Francisco twenty one, the

730
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: Rams seventeen. So realistically, I bet there's a drop off

731
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Speaker 2: after that. That's the teams that you're looking at. Everybody

732
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: thinks that Eagles Cowboys win.

733
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Speaker 3: One of those two.

734
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Speaker 2: Both of those teams go to the playoffs. The North,

735
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Speaker 2: Yeah North is green Bay and Detroit both go to

736
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs. The Rams are this this second place team

737
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: in the.

738
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Speaker 3: West, and then Junko and the you know crap in

739
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Speaker 3: the South. Yeah.

740
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: Uh. The Bears got eleven points, Eagles got seven. So

741
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: people that didn't think so everybody want picked them to

742
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: win the division aren't going to pick them for the

743
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: wild card.

744
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: That's why they're low. They only got three votes to

745
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: win the division.

746
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: No, no, this is the yeah yeah three. Only three

747
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: people voted for them as a wild card. If they

748
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: didn't win the division.

749
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're saying.

750
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Seattle got six points, Atlanta got four points.

751
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a chance to come out of the South.

752
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't see it.

753
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't either. I like that. I think that it

754
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: exactly like you said to to two and one in

755
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: the South. Their records are so or they're they're schedules

756
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: so much easier. I mean, if Tampa or Atlanta inflate

757
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: wins ten.

758
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: They're not good football teams.

759
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: I know. I'm not real high on Dallas. I don't

760
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: like things have been going on there. Or I mean,

761
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: all right, here's a weird one. Those six teams Philly, Dallas,

762
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: Green Bay, Detroit, Rams, Niners. They look really strong. But

763
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: if you asked Vegas what percent chance that you hit

764
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: that sixteen parlay? You think it's one to one, you

765
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

766
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, something.

767
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: Bad gonna happen to one of them, right, you know

768
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: what I mean? Right?

769
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: No, I hear you. I mean history tells us that

770
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: they'll be turnover and playoffs.

771
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: Right, Stafford gets hurt and then boom they wipe them

772
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: off the plane. Yeah, you know, so they look like

773
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: sure bets, But that's why I'm thinking the South team

774
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 3: could sneak in because the chance of hitting that sixteen

775
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: parlay isn't slim, but it's not one hundred percent either,

776
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah.

777
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: If all those teams are in the AFC, yeah, well wow, Yeah,

778
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: I mean there's more teams vying for spots in the AFC,

779
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: I think than there are NFC.

780
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's six playoff teams in the legit

781
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: playoff teams in the NFC, where there's eight or nine

782
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: in the NFC. If you didn't care about divisions, Like

783
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: is that a playoff team? Looking at it? You know,

784
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: like I would pick the Steelers to somehow be in

785
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: the top seven in this in the NFC. Yeah, Or

786
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: the Browns or the Jags or the Jets or the Dolphins,

787
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: they would be that seventh team to me, you know,

788
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: no matter what conference or division they were in. Yeah.

789
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: So anyways, let's get to a break.

790
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if the Rams would make it in

791
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: the AFC. No, I don't think I'm the Wations, you

792
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I don't think they would.

793
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is Matt Williamson, I am Dale.

794
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Speaker 3: LOLLI.

795
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Speaker 2: You're listening to the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

796
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Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

798
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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

799
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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lallie. This is the Drive on

801
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. He's the Matt Williamson and Matt the

802
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: Brown's making news again today. Yeah, and once again with

803
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson.

804
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: Of course, converting it's ins. The numbers are astronomical.

805
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: They converted almost forty five million of his forty six

806
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: million dollar salary this year. Basically what they did was

807
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: a are now paying him the minimum.

808
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: He's down to like a million a year where he's

809
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: making Russell Wilson salary.

810
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the year, converting the rest of that into

811
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: signing bonus.

812
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: Says wrote in a huge check for forty five million

813
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: dollars or whatever. Yeah, basically is all that happened, which

814
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: is real money to the owner. Like that is, here's

815
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: a check. Why of course Watson's gonna.

816
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: Say yes, absolutely, why wouldn't you?

817
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: And then he'll get a million dollars over divided by

818
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: eighteen or whatever every Monday. Yeah, get very little check.

819
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: So that now gives them sixty two million dollars in

820
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: cap space. Now that when things they're going to get ayuk, Yeah,

821
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: immediately that was so well, they must be going they're

822
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: clearing up they traded for what are they going to get? Right, No,

823
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: they're clearing up cap space so they can roll it

824
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: over into next year because they're in such bad shap

825
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: because they right now, even with this move, they take

826
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: that sixty million dollars and let's say it's going to

827
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: be let's let's say it's going to be fifty million

828
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: by the end of the year.

829
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna make some moves between now and then

830
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: you're gonna sign somebody. Right now, they have the most

831
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: active cap space in the league.

832
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: After this move, they're gonna be able to roll that

833
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: over to next year when they're projected to be forty

834
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: four million dollars over the cap.

835
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: So that that's just going to get down right that

836
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: this pays next year's dues. Yeah, but I bet the

837
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: year after that it's awful again. Probably you know what

838
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean, because they just keep kicking the hand down

839
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: the road.

840
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: Right. Here's the here's the kicker on that. Deshaun Watson's

841
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six cap numbers are

842
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: now basically seventy three million dollars on the hook for him.

843
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: They were not guaranteed fully guaranteed. They both went up

844
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: like ten ish million where they were, which were astronomical

845
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: before that, especially considering it's not homes right, you're not

846
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: getting your return on investment, of course, So kind of

847
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: how that works is you lay it out well, like

848
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: that's just going to allow them to be compliant next year. Yeah,

849
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: I mean not, they.

850
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: Don't even do anything else.

851
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: They don't do anything else. That doesn't mean that they

852
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: can do the signings that they want, and there's gonna

853
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: be more moves for them to be able to be

854
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: active now they're under the number. But most owners aren't

855
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: cool with that, you know, Like if you look at

856
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: the Eagles and the Browns, there's the top of the

857
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: league lately in cash spending, the actual number of dollars

858
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: that come out of the owner's pocket, and that's what

859
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: this is. You know, Like that owner in Cleveland just

860
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: had to write a check today for sixty four million

861
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: or whatever to Deshaun Watson. Do you imagine doing that actually?

862
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: Like forty five, Ok, I.

863
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: Didn't forgot the number. And then all that guaranteed money

864
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: that's seventy two the next two years is also not

865
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: the owners right now. It's sitting in Escro somewhere, right,

866
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: So they have like two hundred million of real dollars,

867
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: not monopoly money, tied up in this player that could

868
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: be in the owner's pocket here.

869
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: So the cash value for his contract in twenty five

870
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: and twenty six is still forty six million dollars in

871
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: each of those years, forty six million, but he counts

872
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: against the cap seventy two million. Yeah, yeah, so seventy

873
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: three million dollars is even worse, which is worse.

874
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: Which is worse because then you can't go get out

875
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: of things.

876
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. So they have now this is

877
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: kind of a desperate move. By doing this, they have

878
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: now paid Deshaun Watson one hundred and eighty seven million

879
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 2: dollars of real.

880
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: Dollars, of real dollars, real dollars. He's one hundred and

881
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: eighty seven dollars million dollar was richer since joining the Browns.

882
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Right now to play twelve football games.

883
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, before this move, somebody figured out what he made

884
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: per snap oh, it's like one hundred grand. Yeah, now

885
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: it's higher.

886
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's much much high because he hasn't played

887
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: it down yet this year, right, right, right, He's played

888
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: twelve games in a Browns uniform.

889
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: So what's he played. I mean, maybe he's played one thousand.

890
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: Snaps less things less than that.

891
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: Less than that. I mean it's probably eight hundred snaps,

892
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: probably less than that, probably less more like six hundred,

893
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: cause he got finished to play sixty STAPs a game.

894
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: Probably not divide that by the millions he said he's earned.

895
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: I mean that's what he's making per snap in a

896
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: Browns uniform, which is insanity. And the snaps aren't good.

897
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: This is just continuing to take good money and throwing

898
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: it away, throwing it away, kicking.

899
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: Just to survive. I mean again, that's just to get

900
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: under the cap next year.

901
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: Because this is the worst contract Oh yeah, signed in NFL.

902
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: History, I agree, which might go down as the worst

903
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: trade or one of people were trying to say that

904
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: was Russell Wilson with it's not nearly as bad with Denver.

905
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: No, this is worse.

906
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean it's twenty million a year worse. Yeah, I

907
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: mean it's they're not even really in the same league.

908
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: They look similar. They happened around the same time, and

909
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: each team got kind of the same results from their quarterbacks.

910
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: The Bronco's got fifteen games out of Russell Wilson just

911
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 2: last year.

912
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: Right, right, and I think his cap hit is like

913
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: thirty or forty million. Yeah, seventy not seventy oh, by

914
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: the way, and this is true for Denver two.

915
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: This is draft picks.

916
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: That's what I said. This upcoming year is the first

917
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: time Cleveland's had a chance to make the first round

918
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: pick in three years.

919
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: The Browns is the Browns.

920
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all these first and second round picks

921
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: that they've given up. I mean they've drafted well, they

922
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: have a good roster now maybe a quarterback, but what

923
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: when Chubb and Botonio and those guys.

924
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: Don't they have a good roster, right, They have a

925
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: good the defense and they good lineup. They don't have

926
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: any depth.

927
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: The death is bad. I like their ow line, I

928
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: like their defense, but they're they just give jok money. Yeah,

929
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: I mean they're going to be like the Amari cooper Age.

930
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: Guys are going to be the problem. The Batonios.

931
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: Those guys are going to start conkling those guys. I

932
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: don't know how they come back.

933
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

934
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: It's a it's a bad way to build your team.

935
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: When I saw the initial blurb on my phone about

936
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 3: the other the Watson move, I'm like, did they put

937
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: another year on this? I mean, it doesn't look like it.

938
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like it. I'm just thinking about, like

939
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: if I was that team like the Broncos did, how

940
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: can I get out of this bad situation? Not how

941
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: can I live with it?

942
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: How can I make it worse?

943
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: Right? I mean, that's what they're doing, is they're making

944
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: it worse to live with it. Oh that's rough man.

945
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: So now this according to overthecap dot com Deshaun Watson,

946
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: after this deal and they did add some there's a

947
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: couple of avoidable years on there.

948
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: Okay, at least they can get out of it if

949
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: he's still bad.

950
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, Deshaun Watson, we'll count. We'll count

951
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: for twenty eight point one percent of their salary cap.

952
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

953
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty seven, it's I'm sorry, twenty twenty six

954
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: is twenty five point seven percent of their salary camp.

955
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: If I told you Pat Mahomes doing that lad. Oh okay,

956
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: we still might win Super Bowl, right, Yeah, So okay,

957
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: that the.

958
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: Voidable year in twenty twenty seven, he's going to count

959
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: twenty six point eight million dollars against their salary cap

960
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: and not be on the team without it no matter what,

961
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: unless say another restructure between now and that, Well, they

962
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: have to extend him, to extend him and whatever extension

963
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: they signed him to. If they did that, Yeah, let's

964
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: say he counts thirty five million against the cap. Well,

965
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: now you add that onto that third five million, onto

966
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: the twenty six that you're already paying this dude that

967
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: he counts against your salary cap.

968
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, okay, it's the two notes on that.

969
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: It's a gift that just keeps on get right, right,

970
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 2: I mean.

971
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: You just keep going on the same rabbit hole. If

972
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: I were the GM of the Browns, I would strongly

973
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: consider drafting a first round quarterback.

974
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you almost have to.

975
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: I mean, unless he's great this year.

976
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: I mean if the problem, however, is that, I mean.

977
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: You're still stuck with me the way.

978
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you've got all these other positions now

979
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: that have gotten old because you haven't had a first

980
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: round draft pick, And said.

981
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, you haven't replenished anywhere else. In

982
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: the first two days of the draft.

983
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: You've got a quarterback that's going to be thirty years old,

984
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: who should be in the prime of his career, who stinks.

985
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: So along those lines, today an article in The Athletic

986
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 3: came out where they they did a poll of agents

987
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: and they asked the agents who are the best franchises

988
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: in the league? Who the worst? Steelers got some votes

989
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: for best. They were like third or fourth side note,

990
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: but one of the questions they asked them was if

991
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: Pap Mahomes was a free agent, what would he get

992
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: on the open market? And then the percentages. Most of

993
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: them said seventy or eighty million, that's what that's like

994
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: what Watson's making making. Yeah, a bunch of them said

995
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 3: he might get a hundred. You know, Like if you're

996
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: that good, it doesn't matter, is my point. You know,

997
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 3: Like if Pat Mahomes eats up a third of my

998
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: my cap, I'll just draft everything all the time and

999
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: they're don't have to walk and pat Ney's have not

1000
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: get hurt, you know, But Watson isn't Mahomes, is my point, right,

1001
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: you know, Like these are mahoonean cap hit numbers, and

1002
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: he's one of the best quarterbacks ever lived. And this

1003
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: guy is an anchor. It's brutal.

1004
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: It makes what the Steelers are paying at quarterback this year, right,

1005
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: like maybe the best bargain in NFL.

1006
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: History, Right, I mean if Wilson and Parison, yeah, comparatively speaking, right,

1007
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: I think we could write a story where Watson and

1008
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 3: Wilson are equal players this year. I think we both

1009
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: think what Wilson, but maybe Watson gets a little better.

1010
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: Wilson's a good fit. They both are low tier two

1011
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: high Watson finish a season, right, I mean there's all

1012
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: that too, But one of them's a seventy million cap

1013
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: and one's a million dollar cap, right, you know what

1014
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: I mean?

1015
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, not even closed.

1016
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: There's two apples here. They're both fine, Yeah, but one

1017
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: of them cost me a million dollars and one of

1018
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 3: them is a quarter You know That's what's happening.

1019
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right.

1020
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if either one of them can keep

1021
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: up with Lamar Burrow, but I know I'll take my

1022
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: chances with this apple that's not a million dollars.

1023
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't taste any different, right, And I can get

1024
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 2: a new one. Yeah, there's there's a tree right out back.

1025
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Let's get to a break. That's going to do it

1026
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Speaker 2: for our number, the one of the drive here on

1027
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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back

1028
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Speaker 2: with our number two right after this