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Speaker 1: On thee Cast, the questions asked if movies have women

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism, the patriarchy and best start

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Speaker 1: changing it with the Betel Cast. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. Hi. I'm Caitlin Arante. I'm Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what Okay, Well, I've been starting

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Speaker 1: it a couple of times now, but I always I

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Speaker 1: forgot how to do it. I forgot. It's okay. I'm

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Speaker 1: very distraught right now. This is the episode we've been

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Speaker 1: waiting for. I know, I feel really I feel a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure. It's a Valentine's Day episode. Do you

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Speaker 1: have Valentine? Maybe that's not not a good question. If

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Speaker 1: I've plans, Yeah, oh absolutely not. I'm doing a show

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Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. Well that's fine. Yeah, it's our bar.

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Speaker 1: I'm oh, I know, I know the one you're blam

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Speaker 1: friend and then we're going to the Wedurst Case the

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Speaker 1: next morning. Oh, that's right. So this is the Becktel Cast.

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Speaker 1: We talked about uh women and their representation in movies.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's bad. Sometimes it's not. Uh, today we did

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Speaker 1: something we never did before. This is a special. We

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Speaker 1: hung out offside we Yeah, we've never done that before.

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Speaker 1: I actually do them. We we watched this movie together.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time in Bectel cast history that

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Speaker 1: we saw the movie together. Uh. The pizza only I

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Speaker 1: did drink a lot of white wine. We did, but

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Speaker 1: So that's fine. And the reason we watched this movie

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Speaker 1: together is it's a movie that we both have seen, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: It's a movie. It's a movie I watched alone a lot,

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Speaker 1: seen and love. It's Titanic. Titanic. We have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest that we're going to introduce in a second.

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Speaker 1: But we Uh, we watched the movie together, and we

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Speaker 1: into the episode, like maybe right now. For the first one,

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Speaker 1: we did a pre movie one, so enjoy. Hey everyone,

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Speaker 1: it's Caitlin and Jamie and we're in a different location

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Speaker 1: than usual. We're in my house. Uh, we are about

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Speaker 1: to watch Titanic together. And we just buried a body.

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Speaker 1: We just buried a body. That's when we go offsite.

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Speaker 1: Aristotle was supposed to come, but then he said no,

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Speaker 1: and then we killed him. And that's whose body the body.

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Speaker 1: So now that we're all caught up, we're about to

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Speaker 1: watch Titanic. I haven't watched it and I think two years,

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Speaker 1: which is unusual. I usually do plan a few There's

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Speaker 1: It's Titanic and Gone with the Wind. I watched this

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a lot of a

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Speaker 1: Hello here, so you picked this movie, and you picked

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Speaker 1: they would have like put it in a museum or something.

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00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have been sold or anything.

423
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: It didn't. I don't know. That didn't bother me too

424
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: much because it's like the last thing she before she dies,

425
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: I think, and like no one's ever going to know,

426
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: and it was hers. I just that's the other thing.

427
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: So she dies like she's like she would seem to be.

428
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: She regaled this whole story. She seemed fine, and then

429
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: what she just dies all of a sudden because it

430
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: was the because it was the last thing she had

431
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: to do. Maybe Iver told the story before. Maybe this

432
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: is the part where we should check in the last part,

433
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: and I'll fired up. Yeah, so hey, let's check in.

434
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this out of order, but we're gonna

435
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: the last part because this is when I was like,

436
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't like that. She dies and you're like so much.

437
00:25:44,400 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: Hey listen now, I'm sorry that's laughing and that's oh

438
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: god each other and then and everyone's there. Is that

439
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a dreamer? Is it supposed to

440
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: be heaven? I was always like, oh, she just falls

441
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: asleep and it's a dream heaven. She dies and then

442
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: she goes to heaven where everyone's waiting for her to

443
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: kiss someone. That's what it's like for her. Everyone's just

444
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: hanging out. Jack is in his like poor people clothes

445
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: and he's looking at the clock. It's so sad, but

446
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: it's so happy. It's okay. Um, I wish I wasn't

447
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: such a weird robot that I was more. No, I'm

448
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: overdoing it. We've also had probably five glasses of wine each.

449
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. It's nevertheless said, oh I think back, Sorr.

450
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: I think I just stopped for like ten minutes. I'm

451
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: sorry that. I was like, oh, we should record this

452
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: now we're still crying. So the movie has ended. Yes,

453
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: there's justinished we've been through a journey together, exhaustive. I

454
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: love that movie so much. We were quoting every line

455
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: of dialogue. We knew every line in the movie. It

456
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: wasn't even a bit. It was just and our friend Courtney,

457
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: who was probably very annoyed with us because she was like, guys,

458
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: can you stop, I'm trying to pay attach into that movie?

459
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: And we're just like, that's gonna be want that's on this.

460
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: If you don't shut that hold on, you'll face r

461
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: I P. Officer Murdoch. Honestly, yeah, that be harder than

462
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: it ever has. My crush for him apparently has grown

463
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: more intense over time. My crush is still on Captain Fantastic. Yeah,

464
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: we've got to talk about that, the hot guy at

465
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: the end who's like, is there anyone out there? Can

466
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: anyone anyway? I looked him up and I was like,

467
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: who's this very attractive man in this movie at all?

468
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: He did well? And then I was like, holy sh it,

469
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: it's Captain Fantastic from the Fantastic Four? Is that like

470
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: the idea? That's who was Jessica elbow one O the

471
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: first Yeah? Yeah, okay, well that's better. Oh I thought

472
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: none of them were good. I didn't see any of them.

473
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: But what do you haven't seen a movie? That movie

474
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: was so sad, Yes, Courtney, I did enjoy watching it

475
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: with you guys cast as all the characters. We did

476
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: good though, a pretty good job. We got all the

477
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: ex ends and all the cadence. Yeah. I bought my

478
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: whole punch and I didn't even use it. Oh wait,

479
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: what were we going to use it for? I was

480
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna craft I have all the time like this. I

481
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: wanted to believe the best in myself. I didn't do it.

482
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: We'll never let go, Jamie. You're gonna live. You're gonna

483
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: make lots of babies and watch him grow and then

484
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. That part and all lady, I resent

485
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: that part because he's basically saying that, like, the only

486
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: worth you have is a woman is to be a mother. Yeah,

487
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: but he still couldn't been a little bit more femininely,

488
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna go get a STEM degree and you're gonna

489
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: manage a company, and you're gonna be valued by everyone

490
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: around you, and then you're gonna die. I wish he

491
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: would have said that, Yes he was died. I feel

492
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: like I'm inadequate emotionally because I don't know how to

493
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: compute or express or press that's emotion for power, I'm

494
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: like sweating through my clothes. Well, I also it comes

495
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: at a price, which is that I don't know how

496
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: to be in relationship. I think between the two of

497
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: us we feel enough for two people. Though it's just like,

498
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: it's just like, how between the two of us we

499
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: have three degrees. Between the two of us, we have

500
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: the emotions of two people, the emotions of two people,

501
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: and the emotions of zero people. I saw. I would

502
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: like to dedicate this episode to all the victims of

503
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: the Titanic, all fifteen hundred of them, particularly those in

504
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the lower classes. And hey to the women, women and

505
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: children and children who didn't make it. We're like sucking

506
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: your allies, and we're not sucking in a march star.

507
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: We're marching march on the White House and be like,

508
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: what about Titanic? All right, Hey, everyone, thanks for listening.

509
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: He's out. My heart will go on. Oh that's true,

510
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: it will, it will. Oh. It was about to sing it,

511
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: and then I didn't remember, and I can't sing. Okay, bye,

512
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: and we're back. I'm not looking for it to listening

513
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: to that, I don't think I will. Uh No, you

514
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: were great. I was really mean. I was like kind

515
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: of making fun of you for crying, and I was like,

516
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm over here laughing and Jamie's crying. I didn't like

517
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: the ending. That is such a beautiful part of the

518
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: because you go back at the end and you're like,

519
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: there was like, well, these b characters and they're all

520
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: there and they're so happy, and Jack is just staring

521
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: at a clock. Who knows how long he's been there,

522
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: and then he turned around and then they pan up

523
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and the captain's there. It's so nice. It's so nice.

524
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I always feel bad when a character in a movie

525
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: has like the love of their life and then they

526
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: die and then someone else comes along and it's like,

527
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I guess that person doesn't matter that much. Yeah, Yeah,

528
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: it's like because I think in the story she was

529
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: married to the same guys and they have all these

530
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: kids and grandkids, and then it's like, what about that

531
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: guy's story? But yeah, that's not the last thing she

532
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: wanted to think about. My granddaughter who's right here with me, well,

533
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: her grand her granddaughter also has a thing for Bill Paxton.

534
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: All right, they do sort of shoehorn that little well,

535
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: and in the alterna and the alternate ending they might kiss.

536
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, it's so bad. It's on YouTube,

537
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: like she's about to throw the diamond overboard and they'll

538
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: Paxton runs up. She's like no, He's like, no, don't

539
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: do it, and then she like does this whole speech.

540
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember. It's just horrendous. It's not good, But

541
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean sure, I guess the reason that like she

542
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: was so affected but or like that she's going to

543
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: reunite with him in heaven or whatever, is that he

544
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: allowed her to escape this trapped life that she was in,

545
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: and he was like the catalyst that got her to

546
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: become this new woman, it's new independent woman. And so yeah,

547
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: he played a very significant role in her life. Each

548
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: other romance, Happy Valentine's Day, everyone, Love is Dead. Here's

549
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: something that bought that I hadn't really thought about the

550
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: first forty times I watched the movie because I was

551
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: moodier and probably liked my mom less than I do

552
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: now last time I saw it. I don't know how

553
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: well it sits with me. The Rose presumably never talks

554
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: to her mom, who survives ever again, like she I

555
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: presumably allows her mom to believe that she has died.

556
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Her mom is not great, and her mom was sort of,

557
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, selling her off to the highest bidder. But

558
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, you can argue it was for survival purpose.

559
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just it's weird to me that

560
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and she changes her last name, but I

561
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: feel like where it's pure speculation that never that's true.

562
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: I hope they saw each other. I think there should

563
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: be a sequel like Rose and Ruth. Yeah, like they

564
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: share an apartment that netflix during World War Two. That

565
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, at that point, is just mom's kind

566
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: of old. But yeah, I had never that had never

567
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: occurred to me before. We're obviously you know at the end,

568
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: you see Billy Zane looking around island and then she

569
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: hides from him, and I was like, okay, well I

570
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: get that you don't want to see him again. Yeah,

571
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: she definitely ghosted on him. Yeah, I hope she saw

572
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: her mom again. Yeah she's not real her mom. Yeah,

573
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: her mom was had some problems. But there's a great

574
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: scene let's talk about that where I'm jumping ahead a

575
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: little bit, but because guess what the movie does pass

576
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. It does because there's there's a it

577
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: happens on a few instances, but there's a scene pretty

578
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: early too. I think the first time it passes, if

579
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, is when old Rose is talking to

580
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: her granddaughter and yeah, because they're talking about the Titanic

581
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah. A little later on, there's the scene

582
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: where Rose's mom is talking to her like lame rich

583
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: friends and they're having tea, and she like, well, the

584
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose

585
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: has already done that. It's like, oh God, don't they

586
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: discuss the color lavender in that scene? For some reason,

587
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: I think they're talking about Oh. I think that's a

588
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: different scene. But it is with those horrible rich ladies.

589
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: I've never seen The Godfather, but I've seen this movie.

590
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: It's times I've never seen Forrest Gump. I could have

591
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: done so much with all that time. You've got all

592
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: the time in the world to watch a bunch of movies,

593
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: thank you. Anyway, there's a scene where Ruth is talking

594
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: to Rose and she's like doing up her girdle or

595
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: her petty course of course it. Yeah, I couldn't. I

596
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: think that's the sexiest way to describe that garment. Yeah, yeah,

597
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: I forget what a girdle is, but I think it

598
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: is it the same thing and the steam punk thing.

599
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: They're like roses like, oh, you like put this burden

600
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: on me of having to marry cal because all of

601
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: our money is gone, and and she's like it's not fair,

602
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: and Ruth is like, of course it's not fair where

603
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: women and I was like, it's not fair. Why do

604
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: we all have to marry Billy sane? You know, we're

605
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: just young girls. I want to talk about the nude scene.

606
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: In the sex scene pretty close together. They were pretty

607
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: much one right after well because it's like the nude

608
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: scene and then they get chased around Butler go and

609
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: then they had sex because they are Yeah, I think

610
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting and like, this is something I cannot imagine

611
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: me or most people I have ever met doing. But

612
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: going from they like have their first kiss and then

613
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: like the next step is like and now you're going

614
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: to draw me nude? Like that was the next thing

615
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: that they do. That was second base. That is pretty

616
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: four especially for that time, I'm guessing, especially considering she's

617
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: like she was a very upper crust and she knew

618
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: she knew he drew nudes. I guess right, that's why

619
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: it had to be nude, because things that it didn't Oh,

620
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: I didn't. It was weird that she jumped to nude.

621
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I like it. Oh, I love that part because it's

622
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: like drew non nudes. He showed her a lot of

623
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: type of stuff. I think she was just like trying

624
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: to get things go, like they'd hung out a little bit,

625
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: but they hadn't. Like she was just trying to make

626
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: the first move. And you're capable of being casual with people.

627
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: This is who ever met me. No. No, but you

628
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: can like do it. I mean, I've initiated every time

629
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: I've had sex. I was like, you have to draw.

630
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: That's great, that's yeah. It was just like, first, I'm

631
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: going to wear this kimono. I want you to draw

632
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: me wearing this, and it's a be necklace I bought

633
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: from Claire's in two thousands one. And then he draws

634
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: me and when I have in the backseat of a car. No.

635
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: The reason I like it so much is that, like

636
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: everything is on her terms. She's like, I was this stuffy,

637
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: little pressy girl. I don't want to be drawn like

638
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: a porcelain doll. Anymore. Here's some money, I expect what

639
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: I want, Draw me naked, and it's just like she's

640
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: coming into her own you know. She's she knows what

641
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: she wants and she's not afraid to go out and

642
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: get it. And she I'm sure was sexually repressed up

643
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: until then, because there's a few conversations earlier in the

644
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: movie where Cal is like, I thought you would come

645
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: to me last night, and she's like, I was tired.

646
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: And then there's another part where he's like, you're my wife.

647
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: You should honor me the way a wife is required

648
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: to honor. Cal's very horny. She will not put out,

649
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: and so I love that. And she's like, yeah, Cal,

650
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: you're not going to get into this bomb pussy. But Jack,

651
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: go over here, this homeless man who I met two

652
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: days ago, I will fuck you all night long. I okay.

653
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Obviously Cal not a great guy. I do think that

654
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: maybe if they spent some more time together, they would

655
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: become like normal parents that sort of hate each other.

656
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 1: But it's like, well they got some sort of fun going.

657
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: That may be true if he wasn't a complete narcissist

658
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: and sociopath like that No, it's but uh the scene

659
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: where he gives her the necklace and basically it's like

660
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: he's has sex with me. It's so funny. He's very

661
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's just like using for it, like

662
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: open your heart. He's like cross, but he's trying so hard.

663
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: Well that's I love that that he's like totally being

664
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: cuck holded by Yeah, I can bring you can bring

665
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: in that, or I was using cuckolded long before the

666
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: fucking all those conservatives commandeered that term, and I didn't

667
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: watch a documentary about birds where I learned all about

668
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: well done, well done. The point that I'm trying to

669
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: arrive at is that every like sexual experience that Rose

670
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: has is like just very much on her terms. She

671
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: initiates everything. She's just like she's feeling very sexually empowered,

672
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm going to go for it, and

673
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: Jack is like sure, and she's like put your hands

674
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: on me, Jack, and he's like okay, and then they're

675
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: like mid coitus and he's like sweating and trembling and

676
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: he's just like I can't handle this. Bom pussy. I

677
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: think you're really like writing fan fiction. We don't see them.

678
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: Have we see them initiative and no, well there's a

679
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: scene where like there it might be like post coitas.

680
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: You never see him like thrusting into her. But hey, mom,

681
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: you see wait, I have I have the scene pulled

682
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: up from the James Cameron script here. Oh yes, please

683
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: read so. And I don't know where this fits into

684
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: uh you know this is this is I think we

685
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: could argue a woman's movie. The woman is the driving

686
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: force in the movie. It is written by James Cameron,

687
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: who is sort of notoriously overly perverted in the way

688
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: that he writes. Uh. And I remember reading this when

689
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: I was like a teenager. I was like, I want

690
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: to read the script. I really, I want to know

691
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: everything about this dope movie. Uh. And the way he

692
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: writes a sex scene is very long and very gross.

693
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Jack jumps into the driver's seat, enjoying the feel of

694
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: the leather and wood. Jack says, where to miss Rose

695
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: to the stars on on Jack as her hands come

696
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: out of the shadows and pull him over the seat

697
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: into the back. He lands next to her, and his

698
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: breath scenes loud and the quiet darkness. He looks at

699
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: her and she is smiling. It is the moment of truth, Jack,

700
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: are you nervous? Rose? Oh, contrere mon cher. He strokes

701
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: her face, cherishing her. Uh. She kisses his artist's fingers. Still, Rose,

702
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: put your hands on me, Jack. He kisses her and

703
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: she slides down in the seat under his Welcome Weight

704
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: cut to the hit an Iceberg. But the way you

705
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: sex it's it's nasty. The way that, well, any screener

706
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: writing class will tell you that you don't need all

707
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: of that discretion. First, it's so long, it's paragraphs of

708
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: just weird adjectives. Welcome weight is really the phrase that's

709
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: stuck with sounds like fan fiction. It does, Yeah, it

710
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: sounds like an e book. The way he wrote it,

711
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of gross. And then going off of that,

712
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I've I've read more than one James Cameron scripture. And

713
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: then he wrote a treatment of Spider Man, the Toby

714
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: McGuire one that's just as gross, like just as pervy,

715
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: where there's like scenes in it where he's like a

716
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: peeping tom, like looking at Mary Jane. Uh. There's a

717
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: scene where he, you know, it's like oh this the

718
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: webs are come and it's his sexual awakening and the

719
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: come makes him more powerful, and it's just he's God,

720
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: he's a sick freak, he's mass. I don't think it

721
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: translates that much onto the screen, though, because it really doesn't.

722
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's someone behind the scenes who's just like,

723
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: don't do that. Try not to think about those words

724
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: when you do that. Well. I was thinking also about

725
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: like the Nude Team, where she like takes off for

726
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: robe when we see her like naked breasts, Like you

727
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: always have to question if there's a nudity a woman

728
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: nude in a movie, is it to satisfy the male

729
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: gaze or is it something else that's actually important for

730
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: the story. And I think in this case, like for reals,

731
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: I feel like it's an act of defiance. She's like

732
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: it's been all stuffed up in these corsets and like

733
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: I been all prim and proper my whole life and

734
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: not anymore. So I feel like it's like in symbolic

735
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: of her being like that's not who I am anymore.

736
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm this new woman who's going to suck a stranger

737
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: right after he draws me naked. That makes sense, I'm

738
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: on word with that, I mean, And just the fact

739
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: that it gets everyone in the theater horned up. There's

740
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: it's like a fringe benefit. Totally good for them, Good

741
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: for them that they cracked that one. Yeah, I feel

742
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: like they needed like a climatic moment before the iceberg. Totally. Yeah,

743
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: that's true. That's like the best part of the first

744
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: VHS tape is and she gets naked and then and

745
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: then it's pretty much downhill from there. Um. When I

746
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: was watching the movie in for the first time in

747
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: the drive in movie theater, we were in my mom's

748
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: car and the like windows were getting steamed up in

749
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: the car. So I eleven year old Caitlin, like made

750
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: this hilarious joke where like slapped the window and like

751
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: brought my hand down, and my Mom's like, Caitlyn, that's

752
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: very adorable. I like that. Wait it is you and

753
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: your mom and your sister who was sitting in the

754
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: back seat. I think it was probably my mom, like

755
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: my sister and I think I think we're in the front.

756
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Mom took one for the team. I think my mom

757
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: would do that. My mom was like, no, I came here, shotgun,

758
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: I'll stay shotgun. Yeah. No, she's a she was a

759
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: nice mom. Mom. Did your mom listen to the podcast.

760
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah she does. My mom still does not understand. She

761
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: doesn't she does not physically know how to play. I

762
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: remember the conversation, yeah yeah. And then I was talking

763
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: to my dad about the other day and he's I

764
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: think his exact words were like, how do you do that?

765
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: It's like, it's fine, don't worry about it. So anyway,

766
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: I love the I just love the whole sex and

767
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: naked scenes in this. I feel like it's it's very

768
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: symbolic of the sex and it. I just want more

769
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: and more baby well, I mean pretty much directly after

770
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: they well roses deflowered. I imagine that Jack perhaps though

771
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: he was definitely I think some of those French presses

772
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: the other nude girls right right, she wasn't the first

773
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: nude girl. But the other thing that always makes me

774
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: laugh about Jack is when he goes to that meal

775
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: with the rich people and then he says like, yeah,

776
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: last night I slept underneath the bridge and now I'm

777
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: on this boat with you guys. And if he was

778
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: like even a little less hot, that would be a

779
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: horrifying thing to come out of a dable like, because

780
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: he's clean and very sexy and very charming, everyone's like, oh,

781
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: he's like yesterday. But if he was just like a

782
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: regular person, that would give me a lot of pause. Anyways,

783
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: he really gets away with social murder there. Yeah. Yeah,

784
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: we saw his logic. But I think everyone smelled bad

785
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: in that era, Like I don't think people were bathing

786
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: every single day, even though maybe even not the rich people.

787
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: I feel like the rich people wore a lot of

788
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: like scents. They were covering it up. Must clowns. Gross.

789
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, everyone probably smelled, especially I like, would there

790
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: have even been running water on the Titanic in the Yeah?

791
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: It was an amazing ship, ship of green and it was.

792
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: It really was a few of the moments happened and

793
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, go Rose, the ship is like mid sink.

794
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: Cal is like, well you're going to go off to

795
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: him and be his good Yeah, and she's like I'd

796
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: rather be his hor than your wife. She spits in

797
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: his face. I love it. And also Billy Zane's mug

798
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: when he gets hit in the face of spit. Great

799
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: job by Billy Zane. Wonderful acting. Yeah, I would describe

800
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: it as like, what the heck, why did you do that?

801
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: And that's all he had to do. That was the job.

802
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: There's another part where Rose is trying to rescue Jack

803
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: from being handcuffed to like a pipe in the in

804
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: the room, and she realizes someone is going to be

805
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: able to help her, so she's like, fine, I'll take

806
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: matters into my own hands. And she just gets that

807
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: axe and goes and does it, and I'm just like,

808
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: girl power. But before is it before? I think it's before?

809
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: Right before she gets the axe, she punches that guy

810
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: in the face. Oh that too, And then he's trying

811
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: to do you get her up to safety and she's like, no,

812
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to save a life. Save a life here

813
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: not No one is in the wrong per se. It's

814
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: just a high pressure six, right. I think in retrospect

815
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: he would forgive her. Also, he probably died. There's another

816
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: scene where she's like running to the elevator and she's

817
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: like take me down. He's like no, and he's like

818
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm through being like take me down. God

819
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: damn it, And then he does it. Yeah, don't funk

820
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: with Ross. She'll yell at you. This collection of all

821
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: these little moments that I didn't like necessarily pay that

822
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: much attention to before. But like on this rewatch, I

823
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, badass. She somehow manages the ax

824
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: thing that that she probably shouldn't have worked out. No,

825
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: she definitely would have chopped his hands off or like

826
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: very severely at least. Yeah either way, Like it's you know,

827
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: she's doing stuff, Yeah, she is doing stuff. Yeah, go Rose,

828
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: Go Rose, Rose Jack the last Rose Jack Rose Jack,

829
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: like a poor family about to die and they got

830
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: cut back to them. Oh god, it's so sad, all

831
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: those like the old people spooning. Can we talk about

832
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: how potentially Jack and Rose were the reason that the

833
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: at least in this depiction of the story, they were

834
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: the reason the ship hit the iceberg because the watch

835
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: out guys were distracted by them making out on the deck.

836
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: There probably wouldn't have been enough time anyway. Probably not

837
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: like to think they like sealed their own fate. Yeah,

838
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: if she had just gone off and done what she

839
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: was told, they all those people, she was responsible for

840
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: twelve hundred people dying or something. The moral of the

841
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: stories here is, uh, don't love anybody and don't get

842
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: in a relationship or kiss them, because you'll just cause

843
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: a lot of mass destruction. This is really a dystopian

844
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: view of a beautiful love story. They only knew each

845
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: other for two days. Haven't even heard my theories on

846
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: Jack being a child pornographer because one of the pictures

847
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: that he shows Rose this is a pair of adult hands,

848
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: probably man hands, on a naked child's body. His thumbs

849
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: are like covering the little girl's nipples, and it's like

850
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: this weird child porn thing. He can't draw his own hands, Caitlin.

851
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: It's not his hands, but he's I'm saying he's creating,

852
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: uh an image that is child pornography because it's like

853
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: adult hands on a little girl. Look it up, it happens.

854
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to look it up. And then I

855
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: don't want to look it up. Could it be a father?

856
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, but why is the girl naked? She's like

857
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: very chilly naked, real little thing. She's yeah, like if

858
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: she's well, if she's really little, then maybe she's getting

859
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: a badge. If she's like, no, that's weird. It's like

860
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: weirdly sexual. I don't want to al right, I don't

861
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: necessarily withdraw my suggestion that Jack is a child pornographer,

862
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: but I don't want other theory. Caitlin, I want other

863
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: people to tweet at us like a bomb shelter drop it.

864
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm not sorry though. These are

865
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: dark times, okay, Trump, So let's just try to worse

866
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: than everybody. Everyone's a child molester, no way, man. Jack

867
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: was he was. He's a probably a stinky hobo, but

868
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: it was nice. Yeah. I mean, like I said, Jack

869
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: is a pretty good character. He spends most of the

870
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: time just like bending over backwards for Rose and just

871
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: like loving her for everything that she is and empowering her, crazing,

872
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: praising all of her her great qualities. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

873
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: so good on Jack. He's an ally. He he's such

874
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: a feminist. R I P. Fabrizio always want to give

875
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: a shout out. He's a good guy, he seemed. I

876
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: don't know. He mostly just said Italian words and then

877
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: was crushed by like a steam thing. But good guy,

878
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: good guy. We think we were pretty sure maybe he

879
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: was a child pornographer and we just didn't know it

880
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: could yeah, true, anyone could be. This is the this

881
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: is the Darante test. Tune in next week after the Darante.

882
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: Is your favorite male character in a movie a secret

883
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: child pornographer? I love it? It's like my theory that

884
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: the baldest woman in the movie is in charge. Yeah, yeah,

885
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna these tests are gonna be famous. Andy, Do

886
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: you have a test now? I feel like I need one.

887
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: You can think about it, just tweet at it, keep

888
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: calm and take a selfie. That'll be fine. Fine. Um,

889
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: And does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie

890
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: and or its portrayals in the Ladies? It does a

891
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: weirdly I mean, a better job than I remembered. I

892
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that it did so well just thinking

893
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: about because it's like a love story, and usually love

894
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: stories don't do that well, but it does really well. Yeah,

895
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: I agree all those moments. I was like, yeah, it

896
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: does give Rose a lot of one. Yeah, because a

897
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: lot of romance stories is usually like a rom com

898
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: where like they start out hating each other and then

899
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: they have to be like, oh, this guy's a dick,

900
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: but he's cute, so I and he's near where I am,

901
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: so we're going to fall in love Like this one,

902
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: like he likes that she's tough, yeah, he like they

903
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: like each other from the start, and like she's the

904
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: one who like keeps trying to pull away, but she's like,

905
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: you know what, No, I'm gonna get like my Dick's

906
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: hard a little bit for him, so I'm gonna, well,

907
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see where this goes. I know, sorry to

908
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: use such a mitten male normative term for that, but

909
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: there's no there's no is there a female equivalent. I

910
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: guess like she's wet for him? Yeah, get it? Okay.

911
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: Also ties into the theme of water and sinking ships. Sorry,

912
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: I tried to force it wasn't very good. It's okay,

913
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: thank you. I was like, I'm not going to throw

914
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: a tantrum. You know what, I've done enough. But in

915
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: this movie, the romance is to like the vehicle that

916
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 1: gets her to like it's like, like it said before,

917
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: it's sort of the catalyst for her character arc. So

918
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: you can bring out the best in each other for

919
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: the time that they're together. So that's nice. Um, a partner,

920
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts about the movie you want

921
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: to share that you haven't trying to think what we

922
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: haven't covered. I feel like we did a pretty thorough job.

923
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: That spectal cast baby guys were really thorough. Boy. Yeah

924
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: that now she's an ally. Yeah, she's with us. I mean,

925
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: I feel like she was kind of firmly associated with

926
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: that movie for a while because of the song. So

927
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: it does pass about it does really soon. Yeah, it's

928
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice that it passes so soon, and

929
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: it passes more than once, because there's so many movies

930
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: that we do where it's to be one. Yeah, like

931
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: we we did Groundhog Day and that just gets by

932
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: on like an exchange Animatedal has with a waitress a

933
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: about sticky buns. So even that's to stretch, and but

934
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: this one passes over and over and over, like pretty

935
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: much anytime there's a scene with two women in it,

936
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: it's generally not about a man, or or there's other

937
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,479
Speaker 1: topics to it. Might either start with a conversation about

938
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: a man or end it, but like throughout the conversation

939
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: they talk about something other than a man. Usually, Like

940
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: I said before, I do wish the Rose and Molly

941
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: had more scenes together and that they were they I

942
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: feel like they should have palled up and like let's

943
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: do some fan fiction. Yeah, just some hanging out and

944
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: then are you are you ready to rate? Yeah? Okay,

945
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, we rate it on a scale of zero

946
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: to five. Nipples specifically, about how it treats the female characters.

947
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: So I would. I would. I think I would give

948
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: this four. Yeah, I think there's a pretty high rating

949
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: les and I would give it. The nimples I would

950
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: give it would be, oh, we didn't talk about him

951
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: the officer who commits suicide because he feels bad, so

952
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: too are his? Then two are Molly Brown's Sure those

953
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: are the nimples. I give it definitely. Um. I would

954
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: also give it four. I think one of the reasons

955
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: just subconsciously that I've I saw this movie, you know,

956
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 1: twenty years ago for the first time, and have kept

957
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: watching it over and over over is that I was like, yeah,

958
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: it has really this pretty strong female character, which is

959
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: like usually when you're revisiting a movie, realize how bad

960
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: it is to women's surprise. So I'd give it four. Um.

961
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: I would because the movie is just as much about

962
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: roses like growth as a woman as it is about

963
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: a ship sinking and the romance. So I give it

964
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: a four. Two of them. Two of the nipples belong

965
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: to Jack when he's trembling and very sweaty during their

966
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: sex scene, and the other two got to be hairless, right, Yeah,

967
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: he was very hairless, very smooth, smooth Jack And I

968
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: say the other two are the nipples that we see

969
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: on Rose but not in real life. The drawing that

970
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: he does of her her like illustrated nipples, sketch nits.

971
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: Would you like to write the movie. I don't understand

972
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: how the nipples were. We just well, we we assigned

973
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: a number and then we just describe who they might

974
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: belong to. That's you don't have to do that part.

975
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: We do it for fun, because you know, I don't

976
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: remember the officer who committed suicide. Was that. Oh there's

977
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: a part. So when the when the rescue boats are

978
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: starting to get full, they're crowding, and then one of

979
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: the officers, I think it's the first officer Murdoch takes

980
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: out again and shoots at the crowd and kills Ivory,

981
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: Tommy and someone else. And then I think he realizes

982
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: that he's in over he's in over his head. WHOA

983
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: another kills himself. Great puns and it's very sad, and

984
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: also I would argue in retrospect, very unprofessional. They could

985
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: they really could have used those people. Yeah he giofed, yeah,

986
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: but they could have used him for another hour or so.

987
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: Uh And that did really happen. That's a thing that happened. Really, Yeah,

988
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: who question that movie is real? Yeah, that would be

989
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: like a mean thing to do to someone who actually existed,

990
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: if he hadn't actually done that. Well, that's uh. Did

991
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: you want to give it a number of nipples? Oh? Yeah,

992
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: I will also give it for and I give to

993
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: the Fabrizio. Oh alright, I bet a pretty hairy being.

994
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: Don't put him in a box. Yeah, and and I'll

995
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: give you to Molly Brown. Very nice, awesome, Thanks you

996
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: so much for being here when people than you like

997
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Oh yeah, my Twitter is just a par

998
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: napkin and my website is just a partner comedy dot com. Wonderful.

999
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: Thanks lady. Thanks for Happy Valentine's Day every time. Careful

1000
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: You're your one true love might be a child pornographer.

1001
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: Think about that, Caitlin. Okay, bye, I can fix kal.

1002
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh we forgot to do the check in for the

1003
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: middle part of the movie. Hey guys, it's uh, we're

1004
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: checking in. We're checking We stopped where the first VHS

1005
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: would have stopped. I'm a little wine drunk. How are you?

1006
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm a little wine drunk, But mostly I'm just like

1007
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: we identified several points in the movie where it's like, oh,

1008
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: this is where you really start feeling it. Um. Yeah,

1009
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm a little fragile at this point. I again, I'm

1010
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a robot, so I'm not quite there yet.

1011
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: I already cried twice. I cried when they kissed because

1012
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: that's so beautiful. And then I cried when I thought

1013
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: about Mr Andrews because he has such integrity. He does,

1014
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: so does e j. Oh. Can I pitch my cop

1015
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: my buddy cop? I do? Okay, this will cheer us all.

1016
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: So because it was Captain E. J. Smith's last voyage

1017
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: ever and he was going to retire the second he

1018
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: got to New York, I want to make a Buddy

1019
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: Cup movie of like it was his last week on

1020
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: the force. But this captain is gonna get a little surprise.

1021
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: And then the identic thinks I'm still in a bad mood.

1022
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: I think if you remember the scene where like he's

1023
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: in like the room with the steering wheel or whatever

1024
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: it's and then the windows break in and all of

1025
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: the water comes like rushing, and I feel like if

1026
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: you just like lay flapstick comedy music over that, it

1027
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: could just be like a really very like buster kind

1028
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: of thing. Well, okay, so Jamie is an emotional wreck

1029
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: I am doing Okay. The thing about this movie is

1030
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: that I'm like a little ambivalent toward the first half.

1031
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: Like I like it, I enjoy it progressively the second

1032
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: half because I the second half this movie is just

1033
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: like a terrific action movie with like such good practical effects.

1034
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: I love it. First half though, is my emotional core,

1035
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: because it's all over the place. There's a toxic relationship,

1036
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: it moves too fast. There are nudes, their promises broken.

1037
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: There's a mean brunette who's all about what he wants.

1038
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: You mean, first have his dope. Billy Zane. Billy Zane.

1039
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Billy Zane. I feel like he started

1040
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: like that. You identified a man character as his hair color,

1041
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: the way that like a lot of people, you know

1042
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 1: that blonde, and it's almost always referring to a woman. Yeah,

1043
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: let's start doing that. Let's start reducing men to their

1044
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: hair color. I'm very sensitive to male hair colors, so

1045
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: maybe a more one, try not. How do you feel

1046
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: about blonde adults? So yeah, but I would say Leo

1047
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: is is sandy enough that Yeah, I still get very

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Speaker 1: wet for him. So there you have it. See as