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Speaker 1: This is k J Live with Chris john Silis and

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Speaker 1: Chris is having conversations with influencers in the sports world

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Speaker 1: and entertainment industry. Now here's Chris Johnson. What's happening? You're

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Speaker 1: now tuned in the k J Live. Today's guests on

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Speaker 1: they shows is my man ESPN college basketball analyst Shawn

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Speaker 1: for him, my former teammate, a good friend of mine, Sean,

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Speaker 1: What is happening my man? Not much, man, Congratulations first

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Speaker 1: and foremost to all the success that you're having. UH.

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Speaker 1: Just so proud of you, Uh, you know, taking ownership

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Speaker 1: and content. I know it's a big thing for your family. Uh,

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Speaker 1: to see Josiah doing his thing on t NT. Uh,

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Speaker 1: to seeing your dad continue to rule the NBA the

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Speaker 1: way that he has for so many years, get that

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Speaker 1: ring with the Bucks. Love all of it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as as you've always blazed, Chris, your own trail, and

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Speaker 1: I know we're probably talking about your trail at some

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Speaker 1: point down during this conversation, but absolutely you always blazed

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Speaker 1: your own trail, and now you're taking ownership in your content. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you're becoming a great content creator and giving a

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Speaker 1: great platform for people, uh to intersect not just with basketball,

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Speaker 1: but with the culture around the game of basketball and

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Speaker 1: the entertainment aspect of it. I mean, it's just so

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Speaker 1: in your fact. It's just your fast line, man, and

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you and what what you're building here. Man. Man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. Look watching guys like you during

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Speaker 1: the college basketball season all for the last twenty years, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just been inspiration. I've been knocking at

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Speaker 1: the door. I've been knocking at the door. I've been

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Speaker 1: knocking at the door. I've been knocking at the door.

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Speaker 1: I finally got a little break. I'm very blessed and

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Speaker 1: proud to be here. But man, this is about you.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about you, Sean. Yeah, I'm mentioning

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Speaker 1: a twenty year career. I've always wanted to kind of

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Speaker 1: find out the story, the background of how you got

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Speaker 1: involved in broadcasting, because I thought you were gonna go

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Speaker 1: down the coaching route or thee or even trying to

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Speaker 1: a pro. I thought that, you know, honestly, I thought

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Speaker 1: that you might have had an opportunity to play overseas.

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Speaker 1: Talk about what made you get into the broadcasting game.

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Speaker 1: UM as a as a youngster. So I mean I

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Speaker 1: think too. To go back to your point, like, I

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Speaker 1: had one contract offer overseas, it was in Budapest, Hungary, um,

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Speaker 1: and I had that opportunity to go over there. I

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Speaker 1: looked at it, um And then at the same time, though,

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Speaker 1: I got offered an assistant coaching job at Peppernine, like

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Speaker 1: right away. So you're like Budapest, Malibu, Budapest, Malibu, Boom

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Speaker 1: or Budapest. I chose the boot over Budapest. Uh So yeah,

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Speaker 1: look it was that was an easy decision. But to

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Speaker 1: go back to your port about broadcasting, UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: look it it kind of started, uh in there's in

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Speaker 1: the strangers of ways and you know this, like it

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Speaker 1: just sometimes things doors open up, you don't you don't

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Speaker 1: even expect to open up. But I remember, uh, and

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Speaker 1: you can attest to this. I was goofy. I've always

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Speaker 1: been a little goofy. When I was playing at U

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Speaker 1: after after pregame food, like I just go down and

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Speaker 1: I just started like throwing up shots in the gym.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, I wasn't gonna get a

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Speaker 1: lot of shots during the games. So I was gonna

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Speaker 1: get my shots up when there was nobody else in

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Speaker 1: Polly Pavilion. And one time Bill McDonald was there and

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Speaker 1: Billy Mack was sitting there and I was like, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: you've got the easiest job in the world. And he goes, well,

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Speaker 1: why would you say that? He said, how how would

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Speaker 1: you do? The night's open and we're playing Arizona State

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Speaker 1: I grabbed the microphone and I was like, hey, DUTs

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Speaker 1: for the Bruins today. And I didn't know, but the

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Speaker 1: microphone was open to the truck, and in the truck

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Speaker 1: was the coordinating producer at the time of Fox Sports West.

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Speaker 1: So he comes down, he's like, who was that? And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I was like, you know, doing hook shots

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Speaker 1: I did the Farming Files on the U c l

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Speaker 1: it did was it got me really comfortable with the camera.

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there could be a million people on

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Speaker 1: the other side of this thing. I looked at it

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Speaker 1: as if you and I are having a conversation right now.

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Speaker 1: And and a lot of that was the people that

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Speaker 1: I worked with. Billy mack Is is the ultimate mentor

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Speaker 1: of just enjoying uh and having fun and embracing the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to call sports yeah and uh. Because of that relationship,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean some of the things that it was,

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Speaker 1: like where do we hang out on Bruin Walk and

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Speaker 1: you know the wall that we used to sit on

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Speaker 1: outside the Bruin Walking with the taco bell over to

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Speaker 1: the to the right hand side of it. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we did things like that. I interviewed laugh and was like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest. I know I'm not great,

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Speaker 1: but I could I could get a little bit more burned.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't ask Lab that, did you ask Lab?

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Speaker 1: I did, Yeah I did, But what do you say?

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Speaker 1: He said? Come on, we got seven pros on my team.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, this good point. Um highs

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Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that that I

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Speaker 1: learned though, was that you can be yourself. You can

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Speaker 1: like Hi everybody, I'm Tom Brokaw. You know, like you

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Speaker 1: could actually be, you know, just just yourself. And especially

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Speaker 1: allow your personality to come through and connect with people

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Speaker 1: on the other side. And so that kind of was

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Speaker 1: what drew me to it. And then you know, through

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Speaker 1: my coaching stuff, like I really did, like to your point,

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Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be a college coach. I

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Speaker 1: really did, uh And I was lucky to be on

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Speaker 1: a staff that was really really good at at Pepper nine.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately after my first season, uh St bon venture

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Speaker 1: final four and the coaching carousel had already kind of

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Speaker 1: slowed down, and Jan van Bredakoff made the decision UH

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Speaker 1: to go to Saint Bonaventure, and he to me if

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Speaker 1: the soccer program. And this is before face time, and

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Speaker 1: this is before all the ways you could connect now,

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Speaker 1: like then you had no way of connecting outside of

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Speaker 1: your phone emails, as you know, Like we were just

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Speaker 1: we didn't even know what emails were, Like we're like sure, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is my email? Never checking it? Yeah, never checking it.

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Speaker 1: Never never supposed it was awesome. It was good days.

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Speaker 1: But I made the decision at that point in time

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Speaker 1: that I knew that if I left, there's no way

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Speaker 1: the same people that I was doing the work for

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Speaker 1: And I said, hey, listen, not for two years I

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to get paid and they did, and uh

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Speaker 1: that that's kind of how it started. It started with

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Speaker 1: of it. But it was all part of the process.

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Speaker 1: Uh that has led me now to the last twelve

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Speaker 1: even early on man back at U c l A,

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Speaker 1: I could tell that you were destined to do this,

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Speaker 1: where but no, you would you would break into your mode.

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Speaker 1: You would break into your mode where you have an

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Speaker 1: imaginary microphone and you'd like started interviewing me, or you'd

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Speaker 1: be doing some stuff. Well, Chris, stop talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd like Sean shuts, you know, like far Hough, like dude,

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Speaker 1: amazing that that you gave up coaching for love. That

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, super Max, there's there's highs and

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Speaker 1: lows in any relationship. Um, anybody that's been married, anybody

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Speaker 1: knows that. But we're closing in on twenty years of

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Speaker 1: I'm not like, you know what, like I should have

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Speaker 1: I love the game. I love coaching the game. I

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Speaker 1: if I'm still coaching. I make scouting reports for every

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Speaker 1: a point where my wife's like, can you please get

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Speaker 1: off a Synergy, which is a great website that has

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Speaker 1: all of the games from all over the world. I've

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Speaker 1: I've gotten during COVID. I got really into watching European

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Speaker 1: innovative as far as what they're doing on their offense,

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Speaker 1: I steal a lot of that stuff for the coaching stuff.

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Speaker 1: I still do, but I've never looked back on it

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Speaker 1: because she has been my biggest supporter, she has been

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Speaker 1: asked you this question. Was there someone that helped that

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Speaker 1: helped you get out of that funk, someone that helped

429
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Speaker 1: you gave you some tools on how to cope and

430
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Speaker 1: gave you this information, or did you do some soul

431
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: searching and kind of figured this thing out on your own.

432
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Speaker 1: I would say it was my wife, Um, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: she we were dating at the time, and and she

434
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Speaker 1: she stood up. I would say it was my dad.

435
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: My dad was incredibly hard on me as a child.

436
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Speaker 1: Um you know, I you know, would score thirty six

437
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Speaker 1: points in high school game of Dallas aub but I

438
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 1: missed too many free throws and have to come home

439
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: and make two under three throws before I could go

440
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Speaker 1: to bed. I couldn't go out with the guys and

441
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Speaker 1: and party or go to the movies or whatever. And

442
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: that was just h That was my upbring. But my dad.

443
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Speaker 1: I remember one time, I you know, I actually walked

444
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Speaker 1: into office after my sophomore year and I told laugh

445
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Speaker 1: I was transferring and that I was gonna leave, and

446
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: we walked up to UH. I walked out of there.

447
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: I walked up to the administration building. I grabbed my

448
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Speaker 1: transcripts so I could have that. Lab said he would

449
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Speaker 1: grant my waiver. UH. As we walked back towards the

450
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Speaker 1: dorms where I was staying for a c session of

451
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: summer school, my dad turned around and goes, let me

452
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Speaker 1: ask you this, take basketball out of the equation. You

453
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Speaker 1: want to leave this. And I was looking back over

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Speaker 1: U c l AS campus right there between the Tennis

455
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Speaker 1: Center and Drake Stadium, and you know exactly where I'm

456
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Speaker 1: looking at, and I'm like, no, i don't want to

457
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Speaker 1: leave this. We I'm gonna go Colorado State, like I mean,

458
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Speaker 1: it was good. I was probably gonna transfer like Colorado State.

459
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm gonna leave U c l A

460
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Speaker 1: for Colorado State, like no offense to Colorado State. But

461
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: it is not U c l A. So we walked

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Speaker 1: back down the hill right away, and I walked into

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Speaker 1: LABS office and I said, listen, I said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm not transferring. I can't do that. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: I'm not a quitter. I'm not gonna walk away. I'm

466
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Speaker 1: a fighter. Uh, and I'm gonna figure something out. And

467
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: and inevitably I did. I changed every aspect of how

468
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: I played UM and I tried to find a role

469
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Speaker 1: that nobody else really wanted to do on the team.

470
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Speaker 1: And that's how I ended up getting my my mean,

471
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: my my small role on the team. And and and

472
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Speaker 1: it's so funny because you know this, Chris, like people

473
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Speaker 1: are farmm starting that's a joke. I'll be the first

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Speaker 1: one to tell you it was. No, I'll be Chris.

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Speaker 1: I'm honest. We're a note. How many games in a

476
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Speaker 1: row did we win with you starting? We never lost

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Speaker 1: three the season game that I started. That's what I'm saying.

478
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Speaker 1: We're underfading. We start find him as the starter. Bro,

479
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Speaker 1: give me a brea. But but but the reality of

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Speaker 1: it is is when you have Jerome movies, so Daniel

481
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Speaker 1: Zerk Matt Bonds on the team, there's no way Sean

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Speaker 1: Farm should be starting. So I understand why people on

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Speaker 1: the outside would look at that. Now from my perspective,

484
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Speaker 1: and I got this great conversation, like Earl came over

485
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Speaker 1: one time to my my duplex when I first got married,

486
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Speaker 1: and he has he goes, do you have the Maryland

487
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Speaker 1: game that we played in the n C Double A

488
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Speaker 1: Tournament when we absolutely blitzed Maryland, and so we put

489
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Speaker 1: it in Earl's got sixteen and says zero turn over,

490
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Speaker 1: seventeen points and throwing lobs from like three quarters court.

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Speaker 1: Geron's catchy first slapping the backboard, I mean, straight off

492
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Speaker 1: of like a four month suspension. I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: It was just silly. And I said to Earl's we're

494
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Speaker 1: watching again, I'm like, you never ran the offense where

495
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Speaker 1: I could get a shot, and he goes, that's because

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Speaker 1: I knew that you would ball reversal without even looking

497
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Speaker 1: for your shot. You would set the best back screen

498
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Speaker 1: that gave me the best opportunity to get the lab

499
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Speaker 1: but also kept the timing right so that when you

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Speaker 1: ball reversal to me, I could hit Dan Jerome or

501
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Speaker 1: Matt on the block and let them go to work.

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Speaker 1: And we were good. And I kind of thought about that,

503
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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, then every change I made

504
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Speaker 1: in my game was worth it, because that's what I

505
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Speaker 1: was really trying to do. Because when you have a

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Speaker 1: team that has Campono and Matt and and Earl and

507
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Speaker 1: all those guys, Billy Knight, uh you didn't need Sean

508
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Speaker 1: farn Ray young. You didn't need Sean Varna to shoot

509
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Speaker 1: the ball. In fact, it was a detriment and probably

510
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Speaker 1: a bad shot if I shot it. And so what

511
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Speaker 1: I needed to do was try to play defense, try

512
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Speaker 1: to rebound, try to add some toughness. Uh and said

513
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: good spines, and and I found that. But I had

514
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: to change my body because when I came in to

515
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: u c l A, you know, I was six six.

516
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: I went seriously, and then by the time I was done,

517
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: I was six six tot when I left U c L.

518
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Speaker 1: When my senior year, I was too forty five. But

519
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: I spent I lifted every day. I lifted. On game day,

520
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Speaker 1: I would go to the Wooden Center. I was eating

521
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Speaker 1: as much as I possibly could. When we went to

522
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Speaker 1: training table, I grabbed like four or five chicken breasts

523
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Speaker 1: and just start eating like as much as I could,

524
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Speaker 1: because I knew the only way I could contribute is

525
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: if I got stronger. And that's that was what I did.

526
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Speaker 1: And so my shot went to hell. Um. I couldn't

527
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: shoot it hardly at all because I was too strong,

528
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: like my neck and everything was too tight. Um. But

529
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: it was it was what allowed me to get out

530
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Speaker 1: there and they have the opportunity to play and and

531
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Speaker 1: really enjoy my final two seasons at u c L.

532
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Speaker 1: A Yeah, I mean it was a great time and

533
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Speaker 1: you you did as proud bro. The undefeated during the

534
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: regular season is something that it resonates to me this day. UM.

535
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Speaker 1: I guess moving forward to to u c L. A

536
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Speaker 1: present day, let's touch on some stuff going on in

537
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Speaker 1: college basketball and what we're doing right now. Let's staying

538
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Speaker 1: in Westwood preseason number one or number two, depending on

539
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: which Paul kim Palm has the number seven. Do you

540
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Speaker 1: think that do you think that the Bruins can win

541
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: the national championship this year? I do? I do, um,

542
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: And I actually was just at practice the other day.

543
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I really like this team. Um. I think that There's

544
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Speaker 1: a couple of things that stood out to me, and

545
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Speaker 1: it was the practice I was at was kind of

546
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: a lighter practice because they've gone hard the day before,

547
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: so you didn't get to even see a lot of

548
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Speaker 1: what I anticipate. But I would say that let's start

549
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Speaker 1: with just Miles Johnson, Like a lot of people would go, Okay,

550
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 1: let's start with Johnny Gusse. I'm gonna start with Miles Johnson.

551
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna start with Miles Johnson. He is

552
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: an elite level defensive big elites in the game. Obviously

553
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: it's blocked shots in the Big Ten, he was All

554
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: defensive player pick. But when you have you see I

555
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: didn't have a rim protector, and when you have a

556
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: rim protector, you also have a rim alterer. Right, So, like,

557
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: it's not just the block shots, it's how many shots

558
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: is he able to alter? And then what does that

559
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: allow you to do innately out on the perimeter. Well,

560
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: it allows you to pressure and extend out a little

561
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: bit more because now you have protection behind you. Um.

562
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: And so guys like Tiger Campbell that at times can

563
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: struggle a little bit with his on ball defense, I

564
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to extend out a little bit.

565
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: And when I equate it to this, like, no matter

566
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: how good you are as a team, and U c.

567
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: L A Was really really good last year and I

568
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to be at that game against Gonzaga,

569
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: uh covering it for espn UM. But if you allow

570
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: the quarterback to have time in the pocket, right, and

571
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: you're not pressuring the ball because you don't have necessarily

572
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: the back line support. The quarterback is gonna eventually find

573
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: somebody open. They're eventually gonna start to find their rhythm.

574
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: At the offensive end, if you have a rim protector

575
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: and you know what, you're protected from the backside, and

576
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: you pressure the ball and you don't allow the person

577
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: with the ball to be comfortable, you start to become

578
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: disruptive just with that very small change and shift. And

579
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: so I think defensively for u c l A, they're

580
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: going to be able to press more. And I think

581
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: part of the reason you can presh the more is

582
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: also Peyton Watson. He is an athlete that U c

583
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: l A did not have on their roster a year ago.

584
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: They didn't have an athlete of his caliber. And even

585
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: watching how smooth he glides out on the floor, I mean, look,

586
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a top ten pick in the NBA Draft.

587
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Probably he's gonna be in Westwood for a very short

588
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: period of time. But when you couple that with the

589
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: return of Johnny Jusang and Heinie Hawkes and Cody Riley,

590
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: uh and that Jalen Clark, who has gotten a lot

591
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: lot better from where he was a season ago. I

592
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: think that this team is all the bit of number

593
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: two in the country, easily could be number one in

594
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: the country. Um, it's it's the highest. You know, we

595
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: have been number one in the country U c l

596
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: A since the seventies, which is kind of remarkable to

597
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: think of preseason number one U c l A had

598
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: not and season number one seven we were nine were

599
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: preseason number one? Right? No? Not according to that life Department.

600
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: I asked that question two days ago. I guess Sports

601
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: Illustrating might have had so then it might have been

602
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: had number one, But no, but that a p or

603
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: U s A to Day or the coaches post. So

604
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: I I, okay, I'll take that. I'll take that. I'll

605
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: test it. Okay, But as you know, it's not where

606
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you start, it is where you finish. And you want

607
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: to play in that last game. I mean, look like

608
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: I was talking to Josh Passner the other day for

609
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: a thing for cancer, uh and Josh and I were

610
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: doing a zoom and he talked about ninety seven. I

611
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: was like, well, who beat your butts twice that year?

612
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: We did, but guess what he played in the last

613
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: game of the year and we did not? Right, Um,

614
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: and so they get the Natty and they get the ring.

615
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Uh So I think for U. C. L A, Yes,

616
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: they have all the pieces there that will allow them

617
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: to get there. I think the big thing for me

618
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: is is the hunger still there. Are they satisfied with

619
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: the run last year? Are they believing in the hype

620
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: of what they were able to accomplish or do they

621
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: understand that there are still more for them to accomplish

622
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: and that they can accompt push it because the pieces

623
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: are there for mccronin and and for all the naysayers

624
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: of Mick and I understand that when he came from Cincinnati,

625
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: the doubters and everything like that. When when you watch

626
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: the way that offense executed in the n C Double

627
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: A Tournament run, that was high level offense, that was unselfish,

628
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: great basketball mixed in with a defensive presence, and I

629
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: think that it's voting really well for him now. But

630
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: also moving forward, when you look at the quality of

631
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: recruits that he and his staff has been able to

632
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: continue to go out in the level of athleticism upticking

633
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: every single year in Westwood means that this program is

634
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: back and I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon

635
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: do you think staying with you? Do you think the

636
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: new Jordan brand deal will have anything to do And Sean,

637
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: I asked you this because you remember when we were

638
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: schools players and how we felt about shoes and what

639
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: was on our feet. But do you think the George

640
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Bread deal. These guys are in Nikes now, do you

641
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: think this will change anything as far as their motivation

642
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: to play compete? Because here's my thing about you. Like

643
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: playing Devil's Advocate. Some say they got lucky last year.

644
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: Some say they went they got hot at the right time.

645
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: They had lost three straight going into the tournament, lost

646
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: to Oregon State in the Pac ten twelve tournament. Got lucky,

647
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: They said they got lucky against Michigan Alabama. I mean

648
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: all the type of all type of games. So playing

649
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate, So do you think this year, okay, this

650
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: team with that experience, they're gonna build off of that.

651
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: They got the new Jordan Brand deal. There feeling good

652
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: about themselves, They're looking good. You think you think that

653
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I have something to do with it? Seane, I hope

654
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that's not a stupid question. No, no, no, I mean, look,

655
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: we cared about shoes like half the time we got

656
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: the Reeboks are fresh my freshman year, we were throwing

657
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: them back at the Reebok rep going like this is crap. Uh.

658
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: You know. Then we finally got Ai to give us

659
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: issues and those those were unbelief I think I still have.

660
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Those were the only cool ones. Those were the only

661
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: comfortable rebox I've ever warned to be. He was unbelievable. Um.

662
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: And then we switched to Adidas UM and the use

663
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: was okay, Like they were okay, but they weren't who

664
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: they are now. They're better now than they were when

665
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: we when we were rocking them in the basketball world.

666
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: But we always wanted to be Nike. We I mean

667
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: Barren at one point in time, I think he wore

668
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Nikes and then just covered it up with tape. He

669
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: covered the Sqush camera Dollar to the I don't think

670
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: you were there. That was the year before Dollar was

671
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: doing that all year. Yeah, So I mean, you know, like, yes,

672
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: it matters. And I think also more importantly, when you

673
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: look at the recruiting circuits, where are the recruiting circuits

674
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: And we can kind of try to minimize minimize the

675
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: recruiting aspect of the college game, but under Armer really

676
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: wasn't bringing a lot of high level recruits to Westwood.

677
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: Is There's some, but not a lot. Uh. The E

678
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Y B L is the best circuit on the club scene.

679
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: It is, it has been, and it will continue to be. UM.

680
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: And there is a a stage now with the with

681
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the Jordan brand and the number of few schools across

682
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: the country that actually have the Jordan brand UM that

683
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: it allows the name of U c l A associated

684
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: with the name of Michael Jordan's UM to just be

685
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: a perfect marriage for basketball in particular. And I think

686
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: they've done a really good job of trying to capitalize

687
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: on that already. I think they will continue to do

688
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: a good job capitalizing on it, uh and recruiting at

689
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: a really really high level. It's kind of cool, right

690
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: like some of the some of today's youngsters, they want

691
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: to feel what's what's the what's the trend? What is cool? Right?

692
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: Like they go on Twitter, they see what's trending? You know,

693
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: you go to Instagram and you you flip over to

694
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: like the little spyglass thing and what do you see?

695
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: What's trending? What's new? UM and the Jordan brand with

696
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: U c l A is new. I think our athletic director,

697
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: Martin Jarmond has been absolutely phenomenal. Even in a global pandemic,

698
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: he was able to create a buzz and an energy

699
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen out of the athletic department in

700
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: a long long time. Uh. And I think that that

701
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: will pay dividends not just for men's basketball, but for

702
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: the athletic athletic department overall. Staying in the Pack twelve,

703
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I want to just get your take on the top

704
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: three teams that you think are going to be, uh,

705
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: basically the three highest seeds come tournament time that are

706
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: coming out of the pack twelve. Well, I think the

707
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: organized I don't think there's an doubt of that. I mean,

708
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: you know Dana Altman as well as I do. H

709
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: Dana Altman. He just sits there every preseason media pool.

710
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: He has like his bucket, like his little his little bowl,

711
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: and he's got his like wooden spoon, and he's just

712
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: like really really only got two first place folks. Keep key,

713
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep stirring, keep stirring. And then all

714
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, January middle of January hits and we're like,

715
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: man Oregan is really really good. You know, it's like,

716
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: no kidding, they're really really good. I think Gary Air

717
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: the transfer from Syracuse, harm In the transfer from Oklahoma.

718
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: These guys can really score. Uh. And I know obviously

719
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: we saw Chris Duarte in the NBA his his debut,

720
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: he had over twenty uh in his debut. I mean,

721
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: he's he's a beast. Uh And they will miss him,

722
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: but they they got will Rich. Will Rich, my kids,

723
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: Lefty and I spent I spend time with him up there.

724
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a deep team. I think this is

725
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: a team that's certainly gonna be preseason like you know,

726
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: like in my rankings preseason, they're right outside the top ten,

727
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: but I could easily see them getting into the top

728
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: ten by the end of the season, just because I

729
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: think Dana Altman is that elite of a coach too,

730
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: like and I think a lot of his his philosophy

731
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: of of roster turnover. And we talked about this every

732
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: year with Oregon. We're like, oh my gosh, so much

733
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: roster turnover. He was a junior college coach all you know,

734
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: how to turnover at the Jukes. How he's mastered that

735
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: art man of mession guys year in year out. I

736
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: witnessed it. As you know, my son was a walk

737
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: on for four years. Up there want three pack twelve

738
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: championships or something like, they got three rings. I don't

739
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: know if he says he got more than me, but

740
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Have to look at which pack twelver

741
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: he won. But anyway, dude, it would shock me. Every

742
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: single year. I'd be like, Oh, no way, he's gonna

743
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: make this work. You know, no way he's making these

744
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: guys work. And then come last five games in the season, man,

745
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: and dude start bawling out. So who do you think though,

746
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: So for that next kind of tier he got, we got?

747
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: You said, obviously it smashed it smashed up my. I

748
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: think this vote's wealth of the conference that we start

749
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: a year with maybe six or seven teams that I

750
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: think can make the n C Double A tournament. Uh,

751
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: As you know, Chris, it hasn't been that way for

752
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: a long part. But I think a lot of the

753
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: expectation comes off of what was a great n C

754
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Double A tournament for so many teams. But to your

755
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: point on u c l A, u c l A

756
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: got hot at the right time, Oregon State wouldn't even

757
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: made the tournament and they got all the way to

758
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: the Elite eight. So I think that that's great, But

759
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: now you've got to follow it up with a good

760
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: November and a good December to kind of set the

761
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: tone going into conference play again this year. I think

762
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: it's three teams that that are gonna be in the

763
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: next group. One is Tommy Lloyd in Arizona. I think

764
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that that's a group that a lot of people want

765
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: to dismiss right away because he's a new coach. He's

766
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: an assistant coach that's taking over as a head coach. Uh,

767
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: They've done a good job getting some grad transfers in

768
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: the guys that they have back pretty good. Uh. Matherin

769
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: Is is awesome. I love his Bellis to Beyllis is

770
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: great as well. So you have have two guys that

771
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: are double digit scores coming back, that have experience and

772
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: are going to be better than they were a year ago.

773
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: And I had a coach tell me that Tommy Lloyd

774
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: has the best resume of an assistant coach to take

775
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: over a Power five conference job since Roy Williams. You

776
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: think about Roy Williams and Carolina, he had everything. I mean,

777
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: he had the National Championship and everything. Tommy only blacks

778
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: the National Championship. Everything that he did again, Zaga was

779
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: elite and at a very very high level. He's a

780
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: great recruiter. He's all about relationships, I think, and he's

781
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: a he's a detail oriented coach. He's gonna let offensively,

782
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna play very free and flowing a very European

783
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: field to the offense. I think that's gonna that's gonna

784
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: appease the fan base in Tucson. But I don't think

785
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: the Wildcats are going anywhere. I mean, I think they're

786
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: in that mix of three, four and five. I think,

787
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, any NFL doesn't get the respect that I

788
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: think he desperately deserves. Um. And here's why I say that,

789
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: because you know as well as anybody. I mean, we

790
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: we face some really good sc teams. When Grandville Blue

791
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and Ultra Pon you claim at see Calabrini, I mean,

792
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: those are those were squads. But there's been a long

793
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: stretch of USC basketball where they've really kind of been

794
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: in and out of even being relevant. And now they

795
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: have no well, by the way, almost no home environment

796
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: whatsoever except for like one or two games per year.

797
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: Which is a shame because the fans should come out

798
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: and support Andy and what they have been able to

799
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: build there. But they've recruited at a really, really high level.

800
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I think Isaiah Mobile coming back obviously it's huge. I

801
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: would anticipate that he is a little bit more assertive,

802
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: uh than he has been in the past. You've got

803
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: four four others top five guys back, you get a

804
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: transfer in Boogie Ellis from Memphis. I think USC is

805
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna be right there. Again, they're gonna be a different team.

806
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be as focused on the

807
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: interior obviously with Evan Mobile, who had a great debut

808
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: as well in the NBA. UM, But I do think

809
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: s He's gonna be right there. And then I think

810
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: the one team that is Matt overly being disrespected right

811
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: now is the place where you stole the ball from

812
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: Baron Davis and hit the game when he shot. That's

813
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: why to Washington State. Yeah, I think I think Kyle

814
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: Smith is Smith Baby. He is. He is really good

815
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: as a coach. He plays clear strengths, He lets his

816
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: guards have just amazing amount of freedom. Um. And I

817
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: think you look at like noelh williams. Uh. You look

818
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: at Tyrell Roberts, the transfer from u C. S d Uh,

819
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: and then you you have f A albo Ghidi, who

820
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: I think is gonna have another tremendous year. I think

821
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: Washington State could be the best defensive team in the

822
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: Pac twelve this year, and if the best defensive team,

823
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: they make the n C Double A tournament for the

824
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: first time since two thousand and eight. Sean back when

825
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: we played Washington State wasn't necessarily the toughest place in

826
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: the world to play. Now given this wasn't the same

827
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: time at the same time because it is Pullman, But

828
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: given this season, with the return of fans and the

829
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: return of these sort of you know, home court advantage

830
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: environments that you're gonna have, do you think you know

831
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: a Washington State could create that type of atmosphere because

832
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the one thing that's just lacking for

833
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Smith up there, is that sphere to get it. Really,

834
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: given what's going on in their football program right now

835
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: with Rolovich, their coach being fired, and all of that

836
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: situation the up evil there, I think that the sports

837
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: fans in that general vicinity will be looking uh to

838
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: support Washington State, So I think that you will have

839
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: good environments, in particular on those Saturday games. I do

840
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: worry about those Tuesday night games because a lot of

841
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: their fans aren't necessarily there. They drive in from Spokane,

842
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: they drive in from court A Lane. Uh, they drive

843
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: out from outside of Pullman to get there. So some

844
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: of those Thursday night games may not have that great feel.

845
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: But I would anticipate that their Saturday games should be

846
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: should be really good, especially since the conference is really good.

847
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: Because you know, I mentioned those five, but we don't

848
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: even mentioned Bobby Hurley at Arizona State, who I think

849
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: is gonna have much more of the team kind of

850
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: that that works for him. Uh. This year, I think

851
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: Mary and Jackson that transfer from Toledo is gonna be

852
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: really important for them. An average about eighteen points per

853
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: game for them a year ago. Uh, you got Luther

854
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: Mohammed to transfer from Ohio State. He's now eligible to play,

855
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna have some experienced guys. Uh.

856
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna work well with Bagley, who who returned to

857
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: campus after testing the draft waters. I think Tad will

858
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: best recruiting class in the pack Swell this year. I

859
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: went to Colorado, so I think that's he's He's done

860
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: a tremendous job coaching there as well. Uh, and they

861
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: got Evan Baddy back. But I do think that they

862
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: miss McKinley right too much. And that's why I don't

863
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: have Colorado and that upper upper tier of the conference,

864
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: just because I thought McKinley right was so valuable for

865
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do and find the success that

866
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: they had. He was huge. Do you think Bagley has

867
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: the highest NBA ceiling in the Pac twelve? And if

868
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: you do, if you don't, what player do you think?

869
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: Does I think it's Peyton Watson? I mean I think

870
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I think Peton Watson has that upside. I think he

871
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: needs to gain strength obviously, like he's he's very wiry. Um.

872
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that did you what did you see

873
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: your practice? What did you say your practice far up?

874
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Because that's a that's a that's a big time statement.

875
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: But what did you see in practice that made you

876
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: feel satility? I saw more versatility than I expected. I

877
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: would not be surprised that if he's at the point

878
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: guard position at times this year for U C l Ah,

879
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: that's how that's how smooth he is with the ball

880
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: in his hands. I think he's really good. And on

881
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: ball screen situations, Uh, he shot it better than I anticipated. Um.

882
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: And then around the room the rim, I mean he's

883
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: he's he can elevate, finish. I mean, I think you know.

884
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: Now the question for me is Canny can he defend

885
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: his position? Again, I was at a practice where there

886
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of defense. Everything was offensive minded at

887
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: the practice. Um, but can he defend his position at

888
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: a high level? If he can, then I think he

889
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: becomes that guy. Bagley's interesting to me. I think, Look,

890
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: last year's team was so disjointed down there last year

891
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: with with Josh Christopher, Remmy Martin, Alonso Verge. All of

892
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: them are gone. You know, Christopher goes to the league,

893
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: the other two transfer out, Remy Martin ends up going

894
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: to Kansas, Alonso Verge I believe is that Nebraska if

895
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm if I remember correctly, Um, but the ball would

896
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: stick in those guys hands. And Bagley, you know, who's

897
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: very limited in the number of games in which he played.

898
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: We don't really know what it's gonna be like with

899
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: him maybe becoming the focal point of the offense. Like

900
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: now even he's number one. And you know this, Chris,

901
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: like you go back to your years. You know your

902
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: early years at U c l A. You are on

903
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: the scouting report, there's no doubt about it. But then

904
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: when you look at your senior year, then you were

905
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: defended way differently because you're gonna drop twenty on their

906
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: heads if they didn't defend you the right way, right. Uh.

907
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: And we've been bolos. But like you know, you you

908
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: you look at Bagley and now you're the guy that

909
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: they're not worried about necessarily the quality of guards that

910
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: they had a year ago because on paper those three

911
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: guards were really really good. Now they're looking at you,

912
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: so how do you score? Um? With that becoming the

913
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: focal point? Are you able to score? Uh? And what

914
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: is your efficiency? Right now? He can shoot the ball

915
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: really well from the outside, so I think he's gonna

916
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: be able to stretch the floor a little bit. But

917
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: I do want to see what he can do with

918
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: his back to the basket. Can he be a physical presence?

919
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: Can he be like an Evan Mobley type player that

920
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: has incredible feel that when they do double team him

921
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: that he's able to pass the ball out of that

922
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: double team and be willing to sack her by shots

923
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: for the betterment of the team. And I think that

924
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: would help elevate his stock at that next level, because

925
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a Marcus Bagley in the NBA

926
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: and Chris you know this, he's a role player. He's

927
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: not a star. He's a role player. And that's not

928
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: a negative. And people take that as a negative all

929
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: the time when I say that, But the league is

930
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: full of role players. The league is not full of stars.

931
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: Stars are few and far between at the next level. Yeah, yeah,

932
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: what do you think is the last question in the

933
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: pack twelve? Where's the toughest place to get a win?

934
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: In the pack twelve? This this Arizona. Arizona still still

935
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: just because the fans, I mean McHale Center is rocking

936
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: at all times. My hopes would be that u c

937
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: l A, coming off their final four would get back

938
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: to what it was when you and I were playing.

939
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean you and I, like I tell people this

940
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: all the time. We were fortunate. It didn't matter really

941
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: who we're playing with the exception and maybe like one

942
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: or two of those December right before Christmas games out, Yeah,

943
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: it was sold out. Like every game in our conference

944
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: was sold out. We had John Wooden behind our bench,

945
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: and everything was rocking every single time. Uh, and it

946
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: didn't matter who you played. And I hope for u

947
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: c l A, coming off of what was such a

948
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: successful season that that's the type of atmosphere that they have.

949
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: I hope for across the conference that in college basketball

950
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: and in general. And I saw this last week. I

951
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: went to Kentucky for Big Blue Madness and twenty people

952
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: came for the practice for their Midnight Manners and Chris,

953
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: it felt so good to be there because for a

954
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: year this was this was my backdrop for for calling

955
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: games and and working in studio is out of my

956
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: son's bedroom. Um. And to be back in front of

957
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: twenty thousand and feel that energy was great. And I

958
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: hope the college basketball fans, like we've seen in football, uh,

959
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: come back out and support these kids, these young men

960
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: and women. The women's game is in incredible shape as well, UM,

961
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: that that they really support and and buy back into

962
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: this the school's spirit. Because when the school spirit there,

963
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: everything starts to become better around campus, Like your academics

964
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: pick up, you know, people walking around campus, they got

965
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: a smile on their face. Uh. And and coming out

966
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: of the zombie year of disconnect, I hope we re

967
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: engage and people start connecting again. Yeah. It's very important, man,

968
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: And especially in college sports, the fan experience, the presence

969
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 1: of fans, the you know, their energy is something that

970
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: that you really do feed off of, and it creates

971
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: a tough to win environment. I'll never forget the first

972
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: time played at Old Matt Court up in Oregon and

973
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: we go up there, We go up there and think

974
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a win. Man. I go in there

975
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: is the loudest place I had ever been in my life. Dude,

976
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: they made it so difficult. I would love to see that,

977
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, old school college basketball environment return UM this year.

978
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: But staying in the SEC, you mentioned Kentucky UM Alabama

979
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: is a team Nadoates has done a great job down there.

980
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: Uh got Jaden Shackle for a kid I coached. Uh

981
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: in a you he's coming back to that team. Talk

982
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: about the Crimson Tide and the SEC. Who do you

983
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: have as you're kind of that first tier, top three

984
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: sort of teams coming out at that conference. I think

985
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because I think when you look, we

986
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: always want to start. Let's start with Kentucky, right, because

987
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: you talk about the SEC starts with Kentucky, right. I

988
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: mean that's talking about u c l A. You talked

989
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: about you know, Pat well, have you talked about u

990
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: c l A. Regardless of whether the Ruins are good? Um,

991
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: I think Kentucky is gonna be really really good this year. Uh.

992
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: And the reason why? And look I just saw them

993
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: in person. Um. And so again, sometimes you get a

994
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: snapshot of something, but you get a two thousand points scorer,

995
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: and Kellen Grady from Davidson right, a very good shooter

996
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent from beyond the arc. C. J. Frederick

997
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: from Iowa shot forty seven percent, forty eight percent last

998
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: year for the Hawkeyes. He's he's now part of that.

999
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: So they're gonna be able to stretch the floor. And

1000
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: then you bring in a guard like Tay Tay Washington, who,

1001
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: by the way, just got to deal with Porsche. So

1002
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: good for you. And I read that. I read that today.

1003
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I just read that. Man, I wish we had and

1004
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: I l when we were in college. Oh my good.

1005
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: It's but then you've got Oscar Shebway as well. I mean,

1006
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: so you have a good mixture of freshman, but you

1007
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: also have some older players. And I think the Calipari

1008
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: teams that have more often have not had success are

1009
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: those guys that have the older teams. Right. That's it's

1010
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: not just the young kids, it's the guys that have

1011
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: that experience. And I think that this group is hungry,

1012
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: and I felt there's a connectivity, and Chris, you know this.

1013
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it doesn't take long. You could walk into a

1014
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: practice right now, Chris, because you're playing background in your

1015
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: coaching background, and you can sit down and look at

1016
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: a team and go I'm not going write down anything.

1017
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: I just want to see how they interact for like

1018
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: five and ten minutes. And if five ten minutes, you

1019
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: can go, okay, this has a chance to be good.

1020
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: Just based on that, like the are they connected? Do

1021
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: they do they genuinely like being around each other when

1022
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: they're out on the floor. Doesn't again, you know this

1023
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: as much as I do. Off the floor, you don't

1024
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: have to like your teammates. You could just you could

1025
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: really dislike a lot of your teammates. But when you

1026
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: go between those lines, all of that stuff goes away,

1027
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: and how do you connect while you're there? And I

1028
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: saw that with Kentucky when I was there, and I

1029
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: was really impressed with coach cal and his staff and

1030
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: what they've been able to do. So I like Kentucky.

1031
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: They would be the clubhouse leaders for me. I think

1032
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: a team that that maybe we're not talking enough about.

1033
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: His Tennessee in the SEC. I think Rick Barnes first

1034
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: and foremost all he does go to the n c

1035
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: l A tournament. I mean he changed the voles program

1036
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: and the expectation level. John Folkelston folkus in his back, Uh,

1037
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: Josiah Jordan James's back, Victor Bailey is back. Uh, Santiago

1038
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: vasco Via is back. And oh, by the way, then

1039
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: you add in four top one recruits. So very similar

1040
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: to what I was just talking about with Kentucky. Now

1041
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: you you got, you got like Kennedy Chandler. Uh. I

1042
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: think that is one of the top point guards in

1043
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: the country. He's good, he's good. Now you open up

1044
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: your offense a little bit, and I think that defensively,

1045
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't worry about Tennessee. But offensively, there were so

1046
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: many inconsistencies last year, and I think a lot of

1047
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: that was with like Keian Johnson and James Springer they

1048
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: didn't have that summer. The same thing with Kentucky, the

1049
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: same thing with Duke. When you don't have that summer

1050
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: to learn what the expectation, what that bar is, and

1051
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: what you need to meet on a daily basis to

1052
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: be a competitor at the SEC packed well any level

1053
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: in the major Division one level, and you lose that.

1054
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, you're you're you're kind of

1055
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: trying to play catch up the entire year. And that's

1056
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: why I think a lot of the freshman didn't show

1057
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: out last year. It wasn't because they weren't immensely talented,

1058
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: if they didn't have the same kind of time that

1059
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: everybody else had. I think if Jalen Johnson from Duke

1060
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: would have had the entire summer with Kay, he wouldn't

1061
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: have had the issues that he had early. And I

1062
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: think it would have benefited Duke all year long. UM,

1063
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: but that wasn't the case. So I think Tennessee is

1064
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: gonna benefit from that. Uh. And then I think you

1065
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: get to the Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, the A's triple A,

1066
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: triple A rated SEC this year, Eric, you're putting you

1067
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: They're all in the top twenty for me. By the way,

1068
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: in my preseason poll that I did, I put all

1069
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: three of those teams in the top twenty for me.

1070
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Uh And the reason why I did that is that,

1071
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: first of all, Eric Musselman, I will believe in until like,

1072
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: until he proves me wrong. Right like he he goes

1073
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: out and he gets transfers every year and get Chris

1074
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: likes from Miami this year, right average, almost sixteen points

1075
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: a game for the U. Now, all of a sudden,

1076
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: he's coming in and the Muss bus seems like it's

1077
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: loaded back up again with a couple of transfers with

1078
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: South Dakota, Little Rock. And these are the type of

1079
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: guys that have a little bit of a chip on

1080
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: their shoulder, a little bit of like that nobody, nobody

1081
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: gave me the respect I deserve, and must is kind

1082
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: of that that coach. He's like, you know, nobody gives

1083
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: me the respect I deserve. And so I expect Arkansas

1084
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: to play free. I expect them to play fast. They

1085
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: will miss Moses Moody in particular early, but I do

1086
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: think that they can overcome that late. I think when

1087
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: you look at Alabama, it is about their guards. It's

1088
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: about Javien Quiverly. It's about Shackleford, like you mentioned, Uh,

1089
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, they they've got guys that can flat out

1090
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: go at the guard position, and that NATO's plays this

1091
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: unique style as you know Chris, where he gives ultimate

1092
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: freedom to the offense, and sometimes people see that as

1093
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: if he doesn't care about the defensive end. My concern

1094
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: with Alabama's an out their guards, it's their interior. Uh.

1095
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: I think they're they're going to miss Herb Jones as

1096
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: much as many any maybe any player has missed in

1097
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: the country. The guy was in the defensive Player and

1098
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: Offense and n m v P last year in the SEC.

1099
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Only two other players have ever done that, Tyler Ulis

1100
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis, and both were tremendous college basketball players.

1101
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: And so when you lose the guy that's willing to

1102
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: take charges, you lose the guy that can be your

1103
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: point forward. Uh, you lose the guy that that is,

1104
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, the heart and soul in the heartbeat of

1105
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: your defense. That's a huge hole that you've got to fix.

1106
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: And then Jordan Brunners gone, Alex Rees has gone. So

1107
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: you now the guys even beside him and behind him

1108
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: are gone. You need to stack back up with your interior.

1109
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: And don't forget Josh Primo is gone to oh yeah,

1110
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: and John Petty and Petty. He was a lottery pick.

1111
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: Is funny man. Herb Jones. At first, I had been

1112
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: howling Coach town was on my show. So he had

1113
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: him doing a breakdown in u c l A, Alabama

1114
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: because they had played him a few times. So he's in,

1115
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: he's he's in in a van headed to n I

1116
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: T practice. He's going live with me, but he's just

1117
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: talking about Herb Jones. Chris. You just gotta see like

1118
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: he was raving about Herb Jones and it turned out,

1119
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, Herb Jones a big time player. But I

1120
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: need to know about Auburn Mack every year. You know,

1121
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: I see coach. I see Bruce Parl with his shirt off,

1122
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: Bruce Pearl doing his thing out there. I love him

1123
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: as a coach of character and and typically he knows

1124
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: how to get him some really good guards. What about

1125
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: this iteration of the Arburn Tigers this season, Well, I

1126
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: think Jabari Smith is an All SEC first team caliber player.

1127
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: You're talking about a number five recruit and Paul being

1128
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: Carter's ESPN one hundred. I think he brings that freshman

1129
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: power in and then I think you look at, Okay,

1130
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: who else did they get. Well, they got Katie Johnson

1131
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: that average fourteen points a game at Georgia. They got

1132
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Walker Kessler, who I think his numbers don't indicate what

1133
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: his value is and what it will be for Auburn

1134
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: this year, the big man from North Carolina just because

1135
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: they were splitting so much time there. Uh, you got

1136
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: Jasper the transfer from Charleston an average sixteen points. They

1137
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: got scores to go with Jabari Smith. And there's one

1138
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 1: thing about Bruce Pearl like you can't keep Auburn down,

1139
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: like and that team for the struggles. And if you

1140
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: look at the record of thirteen and fourteen last year, right,

1141
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: like how much of that was without Shariff Cooper almost

1142
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: all of it. Had Shariff Cooper been given his eligibility

1143
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: like he should have before the start of the season,

1144
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: that's whole season would have been different for Bruce Pearl.

1145
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: The whole year would have been different. Uh. And let's

1146
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: not forget about Flannagan being back, Williams being back, Cambridge

1147
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: being back. You've got experience, You've got guys that can

1148
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: that can score. I think Bruce Pearl's team is a

1149
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: top again Top twenty team. I think there are a

1150
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: fringe Sweet sixteen caliber team. All of it will depend, Chris,

1151
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: on the chemistry of this group, how quickly they can

1152
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: come together. And that's usually where Bruce Pearl thrives. So

1153
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: if that's where he thrives, then we go, Okay, they're

1154
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty darn good again. And I think that's

1155
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: probably what we're gonna see. Mississippi State has as uh

1156
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: iverson Mullin are coming back, and they picked up a

1157
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: really good transfer. Uh. What do you think about North

1158
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: Carolina on that door, Chris, let me tell you. I

1159
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: think this team is gonna be really good. Um. I

1160
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: love this. This is Ben Hallet's type of team. They're

1161
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: gonna be in the tournament. Um. And I think I

1162
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: have them just outside my top twenty five at the

1163
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: start of the season, but again, wouldn't surprise me if

1164
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: they play their way up there, because this is a

1165
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Ben Hellen team that has toughness experience, in particular at

1166
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: the guard position. Um, they have depth. Um, and this

1167
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: is like Ben is at his best. Like, I mean,

1168
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: you go back to some of those u c l

1169
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: A teams. And it's easy to fall in love with

1170
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: the Westbrook Love teams, right, but the farmer A Follow teams,

1171
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: those were grinders of teams. Man. They was like going

1172
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: to the office every single game and Ben, as u

1173
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: c l A fans, we'd lose our mind because they

1174
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: go on like a twelve oh run and he would

1175
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: call time out and I'm like, why are we stopping

1176
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: our own run? But for him, it was about setting

1177
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: up his defense and making sure that they tightened those

1178
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: bolts and that there wasn't even in their success, they

1179
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: weren't feeling too comfortable or too confident, right that they

1180
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: got away or deviated from the system. And I think

1181
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: that this is a team for Ben Holland that has

1182
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: that same kind of makeup. Uh so and and and

1183
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: as you look at the trajectory of Ben's programs overall,

1184
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think and everywhere he's coached in year three,

1185
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: whether it was Northern Arizona, whether it was Pitt, whether

1186
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: it was u c l A, everything got better, right,

1187
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: They won the conference championship. The SEC has been a

1188
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a different like travel for him, and

1189
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different journey. It hasn't come

1190
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: as quick um. I think it could come this year.

1191
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that necessarily they win the SEC, but

1192
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: I think being relevant on the scene, being able to

1193
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: then go out and recruit at a higher level and

1194
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: continue to get the kind of players that worked for

1195
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: Ben I think is there in front of them. There's

1196
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: certainly a tournament team. I think they're a team that

1197
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: can advance in the tournament. UM and getting a fringe

1198
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: top twenty five caliber team. For me, you don't forget

1199
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: about Rocket Watts as well. He's you know, he's dynamic,

1200
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: dynamics core um. Conference realignment, Like, I want to talk

1201
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: about the Big twelve as a conference, but I also

1202
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about, since we're in the middle of

1203
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: talking about the SEC, the fact that Texas in Oklahoma

1204
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: are headed to the SEC. What what are your thoughts

1205
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: about how the conference conference realignment has effected is going

1206
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: to affect college basketball And do you think it's a

1207
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: good idea? And is this the end of traditional geographical

1208
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: like big time rivalries as we know that that end

1209
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: happened a long time ago. Chris h. In my opinion,

1210
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just this is the necessary uh

1211
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: consequences of the failure to keep the Big East intact.

1212
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean even on the West coast. You know it.

1213
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: I know it, man, you can't Syracuse. We were watching

1214
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: on Big Monday, you know, all day Big Monday, Super Tuesday,

1215
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: Georgetown versus Villanova. We were like, cannot wait to see this,

1216
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: you know. And and then Realignment came and it destroyed it.

1217
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: It destroyed it. And the thing that makes me happy,

1218
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: happier amongst everything else that's happened the last couple years,

1219
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: is that Realignment also came to refixing, and Yukon and

1220
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: and Danny Hurley are in the Big East once again.

1221
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: That's their rightful home. You know, it's tough to sell

1222
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: people in stores Connecticut, like, oh, we got to Lane

1223
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: and Tulsa coming in this week and they're like huh,

1224
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: like you know, and then and then when you're trying

1225
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: to recruit, which Yukon has always done really well, that

1226
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: geographical footprint all the way down to Philly, Like, you

1227
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: can't really recruit that footprint because you're never playing those teams.

1228
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: You're not playing in that footprint at all. And that's

1229
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of fixed it, right, Like that the Yukon

1230
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: going back fixes it. But all of these moves that

1231
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: have been made in realignment has been to the detriment

1232
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: of college basketball has been made for money. It has

1233
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: been made for callge football. Period. That's it. Otherwise a

1234
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of these realignments they wouldn't have happened. West Virginia

1235
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: now playing in the conference that they're gonna have to

1236
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, play b y U. Like, that's a that's

1237
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: a pretty big landscape that we're looking at for for

1238
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: a totality of a conference. Um, and that's the future

1239
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: of the Big Twelve. Now. I think the Big Twelve

1240
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: is in good position. I think that the teams that

1241
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: they brought in helped them not only in football but

1242
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: also in basketball. I think in particular, you look at

1243
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati b y U is really good with Mark

1244
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: Cope year in a year out. I think obviously Houston

1245
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: coming off their Final four run, this is this is

1246
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: going to help them build momentum and be able to recruit.

1247
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: But I think losing your brands of Oklahoma and Texas,

1248
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, it just means more has been the same

1249
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: for the SEC. It just means more money for the

1250
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: SEC too. I mean they are already cashing checks for

1251
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: like upwards of almost fifty million dollars a year because

1252
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: their television rights, the SEC network and the success that

1253
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: that has had, which I think has shown out in

1254
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: the increased level of successes across their athletic departments. It's

1255
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: not just obviously in football we focus a lot on that,

1256
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: but basketball in recent years has gone from a a

1257
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: you know three team at max into the n C

1258
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: doub A Tournament. And now the expetation is six seven

1259
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: could be the very best conference in college at basketball

1260
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: this upcoming season. And then on the women's side there

1261
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: as dominant as they've ever been. And you see the

1262
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: contract that don Stanley just got seven seven years. I

1263
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: think two point four was the contract. Deservedly so did

1264
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: she get that contract. But that's a contract we have

1265
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: not seen in women's sports, and so I think it

1266
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: elevates the conference even more from that perspective, and they

1267
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: can do that based on the money and the revenue

1268
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: that they're bringing in Texas and Oklahoma will allow that

1269
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: to even increase that much more. Yeah, that's but just

1270
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: to not have that old school rivalry no more in

1271
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: a Big twelve, that's a good part That's the one

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: good part about this one is we still have the

1273
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: Red River Shootout game for football, Like we'll still see

1274
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma versus Texas at the Continent SEC, but it's in

1275
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: the SEC landscape versus big twelve plus school guy. Look,

1276
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: but the way that it was, I wish the n

1277
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: C Double A tournament used to do, which used to

1278
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: have regions West, Region, you know, Midwest, South, you know whatever.

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: I actually like that even though nine we got screwed

1280
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: and sent to the Midwest region when we won the

1281
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: PAC twelfth Conference about like four games, um, and then

1282
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: won fourteen straight games, we should have at least been

1283
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: the two in the West region. We weren't, uh, and

1284
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: we went to the Midwest. But nevertheless, like I love

1285
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: the old format too, So I'm a traditionalist as well.

1286
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: I think times continue to change in college athletics, UM.

1287
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: And I think that when you look at n I

1288
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: L and the transfer portal and all of those things, Chris,

1289
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: so much of this is changing and evolving, uh and there,

1290
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: and while we are losing things, we are also gaining things.

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: We're gaining voices, we're gaining empowerment amongst the athletes. Things

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01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: that you know, quietly we discussed twenty thirty years ago. However,

1293
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: many years ago it was now that we were playing

1294
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: at U c l A. Um. You know, Gosh, I

1295
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: wish I could do this. Sorry, I wish I could

1296
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: get that car. I wish I could. You know. Now,

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: these are things that are actually tangible and real, uh,

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01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: for these these student athletes. And I think it's a

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01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: good thing. And I don't think it's hurting the athletic departments.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who thought that this was like a doomsday scenario

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: and N I L it's not. The kids are fine,

1302
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: the programs are fine. Let's keep going. So there has

1303
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: been some positives in these change there are some negatives

1304
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: there as well, though, I like as far as the

1305
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: n ILS concerned, I like what U c l A

1306
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: came out and did. And I guess Jermond enlisted their

1307
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: marketing and branding department to work directly with the athletes,

1308
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: so they're gonna be allowing the use of logos and

1309
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: U c l A letterhead and stuff. I think that's such.

1310
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest developments that I've heard in

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: the inn, in the whole N I L game. But

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01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: staying on the N I L Um, we look when

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01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: you look at the situation that happened when in Oklahoma

1314
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: where in college football, where Spencer Rattler, he has the

1315
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: big deals this and that doesn't play well. They're throwing

1316
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson and then Caleb doesn't even get the time,

1317
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, it doesn't even get the interview after in

1318
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: the game. What's What's I mean? Is this a case

1319
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: of you know, the coaches still kind of having this

1320
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: anequated way not coming up to speed, or is just

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01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: just some BS going on in University of Oklahoma. I

1322
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: don't think it's either one, Chris, I think it is

1323
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: a byproduct. Would be careful what you wish for. I

1324
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: said this with Derrick King, a quarterback to Miami. Now

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01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: he's unfortunately injured and out for the rest of the year. Um,

1326
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: but you know, struggled in game one against Alabama. You

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01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: get a pass there because why Alabama, right button? Game

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: two against app State, he didn't throw a touchdown. He

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01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: threw for eight yards against app State and they had

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: to win on the last second field goal and won

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: by two against Appay. And you're you're Miami and you're

1332
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: Derrek King and you're making eight hundred thousand dollars in

1333
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: n I l s that have already been announced. You're

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01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: almost a million dollar man. Well guess what if you

1335
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: want that money, then when I'm covering college sports this year,

1336
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to cover you as if I was covering

1337
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,959
Speaker 1: the NBA. You're making you're pros. So now you open

1338
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: yourself up to more criticism. And I think when you

1339
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: look at he's got his his gear, his swag, he's

1340
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: making a million dollars, and everybody's like, this is our dude,

1341
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: Highsman trophy candidate. He's the man, And all of a

1342
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: sudden you slip up the fans. And this is I

1343
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: think what happened in Oklahoma. The fans are less inclined

1344
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: to give you that student athlete pass. Working their jobs,

1345
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: they're not making a million dollars there. You know, the

1346
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: other students in the students section, they're not making a

1347
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: million dollars. You are. And when you get that kind

1348
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: of money and you get you want this, the expectations

1349
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: then naturally increase. So if you fail to meet what

1350
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: the expectations are, and all of a sudden, you're Texas

1351
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: and you're getting the doors blown off and they put

1352
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: in Caleb Williams, and he goes in and wins the game. Now,

1353
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: now we start going, okay, wait, hold on, how much

1354
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: money is this kid making on name image and likeness?

1355
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: And then the businesses and the corporations that have invested

1356
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: money into you start going did we put a performance

1357
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: clause in this? And a lot of them didn't. That

1358
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: will probably change moving forward. But this is this is

1359
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: a byproduct of name, image and likeness. There's a lot

1360
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: of positives to name image and like this, and I

1361
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: favor I'm in favor of all of it. But when

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01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: you start announcing how much money you're making in your

1363
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: own brand of clothes and all this other stuff, Chris,

1364
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: it changes the landscape. It changes how people view you

1365
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: on the outside. And us as broadcasters, I think, have

1366
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: to be cognitive and aware of how that has evolved

1367
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: and changed from even a year ago to twenty years

1368
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: ago when we were there, Like if if you struggle

1369
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: for three games, no one was really I mean, they

1370
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, Chris needs to step up, but

1371
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: they weren't like badgering you, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1372
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: but if you were making a million dollars at U

1373
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: C L a and you started struggling, you'd start hearing

1374
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: a lot more chatter, especially in an age now that

1375
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: has social media and Instagram. Will Everything that these athletes

1376
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: are doing is brand recognition, brand value. Be careful of

1377
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 1: what your brand is because if your brand gets too

1378
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: large in a lot of these cases and I think

1379
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: we're having, we're gonna have an accordion effect here. Name

1380
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: engine like this comes in, people want to get on board.

1381
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: The brands are expanding too quick, meaning that you've gotta

1382
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: you've gotta realize kind of what your limitations are and

1383
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: how far you want this thing to really go while

1384
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: keeping your focus on what you're doing on the field

1385
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: or on the court. And I think that this a

1386
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: lot of what we're seeing right now is is a

1387
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: little bit of a backlash to the name image. And

1388
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: like this aspect great point about how college athletes that

1389
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: will be getting paid will be getting covered by the media.

1390
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a tremendous point. And I'll be interested

1391
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: to see if like these local papers, the local you

1392
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: know College Norman, Oklahoma, the Norman, Oklahoma, you know, the

1393
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: Press Telegram. I wonder if there's gonna be some articles

1394
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: written with more of a direct sort of slant against

1395
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: you know they do pros because that's always been the thing. Hey,

1396
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: these kids are college will take it easy on them,

1397
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: and you know they're just college kids. But now it's like, wait,

1398
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are getting paid. So I think

1399
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: the sympathy aspect and the empathy of like, oh he's

1400
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: a college kid, that's gonna go out the window. This

1401
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: guy's a pro nowadays. It's a great point about that.

1402
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: But but we're in the Big twelve and I want

1403
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 1: to know just you're I got you on my show.

1404
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: I want to know who is going to win the conference.

1405
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: You got have Texas, I have Texas, Kansas and Baylor.

1406
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: Who wins the conference? Texas Texas conference members through defendant champion?

1407
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: Kansas got Remy Martin. How okay, how Baylor lost everybody?

1408
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: Their card played like they lost Mitchell t Butler. They're

1409
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: all gone, all right, So I you you lose all

1410
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: three of those guys. That's like Toldy Bailey, Chris Johnson

1411
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: and jar those guys are colde. Those guys were code man,

1412
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Then you put in Vital as well,

1413
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: Mark Vital who was really there blue guy, and they

1414
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: the Swiss Army knife of what they did, I think

1415
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: Texas is gonna win it. And while they lost a

1416
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: ton as well, Matt Coleman, Jericho Sam's, Kai Jones, Greg Brown,

1417
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: the transfer portal, nobody benefited more than Chris Beard. So

1418
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: you go in the off season and and you know,

1419
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: no offense, the shock is smart, but Chris Beard is

1420
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: ridiculously high level coach, he really is. And you bring

1421
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: him into Texas. He's now back home where he wants

1422
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: to be. You throw in a Christian Bishop from Creighton.

1423
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: You throw in a dev and ask you for Kentucky.

1424
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: You're throwing a train Mitchell from you Mask, You're throwing

1425
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: a Timmy Allen from Utah. And then you go out

1426
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: and you get Marcus Carr from Minnesota, whose average twenty

1427
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: three points a game in the Big Tent. If Chris

1428
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: Beard can get them to compete the way he wants

1429
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: at the defensive end of the floor, and by the way,

1430
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: you still have Andrew Jones, you still have Courtney Rahem

1431
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: and you get that defense to work. Fine. You don't

1432
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: have to worry about offense. Because all of those guys

1433
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: I just told to about all average like between twelve

1434
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: and twenty three points a game last year. So offense

1435
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be the issue. It's can they defend? Can

1436
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: they bring that? Chris me your toughness. I haven't seen

1437
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: a team yet at Texas Tech that didn't eventually get there,

1438
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: even if they started off a little slow. And I

1439
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: think Texas could take some losses early because maybe they

1440
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: don't have that toughness right away. But Chris, I believe

1441
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: that over the course of the season they're going to

1442
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: get there. I think Texas is final four good. Um,

1443
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: I think Kansas is close to being final for good.

1444
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: And again you saw an uptick in recruiting again for

1445
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: for Bill self, where you know, in the last couple

1446
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: of years, because of the allegations that were surrounding that program,

1447
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: they weren't getting those top one hundred kids. They got

1448
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: one this year. Uh. And I think you add that

1449
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: to the mix of of getting a guy that's has

1450
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: experienced as Remy Martin. You get David McCormick back, your

1451
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: big man, you got Jalen Wilson back, you got uh,

1452
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, you got Christian Brown Brown back, You've got

1453
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: You've got multiple guys back that can really we fill

1454
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: out that roster for Bill self, and at twenty one

1455
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: and nine a year ago, I don't see any reason

1456
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: why they're not gonna be right back in the mix

1457
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: inside the Big twelve. I think Baylor is going to

1458
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: be good. They've got their best recruiting class they've ever

1459
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: had um, but I think they just lost so much

1460
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: from a year ago. And I do believe that there's

1461
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: always a championship hangover. I mean, you know it better

1462
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: than I know it, but there is a championship hangover.

1463
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: And when you have climbed that mountaintop. And and I

1464
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: get this discussion with my ten year old, you know,

1465
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: if you think the Bucks are gonna win the NBA

1466
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: title again? And I said, no, I don't. And I said,

1467
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: and the reason why I don't think the Bucks will

1468
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: win the championship is not because they're not good enough

1469
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: to win the championship. Chris, you know they are. But

1470
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: it is just really really hard to do it in

1471
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: consecutive seasons, is not. It's not even you can't even

1472
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: say it's not easy. I mean it's not even like common.

1473
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: It's not a commonplace to see that happen. And so

1474
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: for Baylor, I do think they take a little bit

1475
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: of a step back in conference play this year. But

1476
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: I think this is a conference of change right now

1477
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: because of Oklahoma and Texas leaving, because of what they

1478
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: have coming in. I'm you know, big Twelt media. They

1479
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: just took place yesterday. Uh And Scott Drew said, listen,

1480
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: even with Oklahoma and Texas, if we just added in

1481
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: the teams that we had from last year, we still

1482
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: would have been the number number one ranked conference in

1483
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: college basketball according to Ken Pop. And that's true, but

1484
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: that's also based on a Houston team that went all

1485
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: the way to the Final four, you know, And and

1486
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if Calvin Sampson's teams are always going

1487
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: to get there. So as this conference changes, as Texas

1488
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma leave, and Porter Moser obviously now with Oklahoma

1489
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: got a ton of transfers in there, I think it's

1490
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how that molds throughout the

1491
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: course of the year. Um. I think it's going to

1492
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,839
Speaker 1: be interesting as those two teams exit, how this conference

1493
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: tries to pivot without completely ignoring Texas and Oklahoma until

1494
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: they're actually in the SEC to that of also welcoming

1495
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: in and highlighting and trying to lift up those teams

1496
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: that are coming from the American UCF Cincinnati, Houston, UH,

1497
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: and then b YU. How they're trying to lift those

1498
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: programs up so that on day one when they come in,

1499
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: they're already at a high level. I think it's gonna

1500
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: be very interesting how the Conference office handles that and

1501
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: handles the promotion of these teams as the season goes along.

1502
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we're given Remy Martin enough credit. Uh.

1503
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that because I'm biased and

1504
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: I've watched him since he was seventh eighth grade. I

1505
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: just really what I saw out of him in Arizona State.

1506
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: He's a big time gamer type player. I think he

1507
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: goes to the Big Twelve, put him and surround him

1508
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: with them guys that they got to Kansas, and I

1509
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: think Kansas comes out of the Big Twelve is champions.

1510
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: I'm but bait into your point. Certainly him only concerned

1511
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: the Remy as his turnovers, Chris, and that's always been

1512
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: That's always been his thing, true. And it's not even

1513
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: just the turnovers. It's like the timeliness of some of

1514
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,480
Speaker 1: those turnovers. Like I was doing the game in Shanghai,

1515
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: China when they played Colorado in twenty nine and they

1516
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: had stormed back and they looked like they were about

1517
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: to win the game. And they're driving down the floor.

1518
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: I think they had of one point lead, and Remy

1519
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: drives down the middle of the paint and decides to

1520
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: throw behind the back pass to a guy cutting on

1521
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: the right hand side, and he gets picked off, goes

1522
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: down the other end three pointer, get a stop on

1523
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: the next possession, go back down another three pointer, and

1524
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: the game was over and Colorado got out of there

1525
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: with a win. And it's like, you don't want to say, hey,

1526
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: there's there's only one play that costs the game, because

1527
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: he's you and I both know that's never the case. Um,

1528
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: But there's certainly there are momentum backbreaking plays, uh and

1529
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: their self inflicted wounds and so far, I think for Remy,

1530
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: the biggest key for me this upcoming season is the

1531
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: talent level in which he will have around him at

1532
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: Kansas is exceeds the talent level that he had around

1533
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: him at Arizona State. Is he capable and willing to

1534
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: defer under control? I know he's willing to defer, but

1535
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 1: he is he willing to defer under control and composure.

1536
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: That's necessary of a player that has the experience that

1537
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: he has, the skill set that he has uh in

1538
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: the environment that he's now going to be playing in,

1539
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: because as you know, Alan field House is one of

1540
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: the most spectacular venues, if not the most spectacular venue

1541
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: in all of college basketball, that now becomes his home court.

1542
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,440
Speaker 1: Handling that, handling it under the microscope with the expectations,

1543
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: and again, I think Kansas is Final four good. I

1544
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: think there's two teams in the Big twelve that can

1545
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: make it make a run for a national championship this year.

1546
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: It's Texas and it's Kansas. I agree, And I mean

1547
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: I won't count Baylor out to your point about the

1548
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: national championship hangover, Absolutely it does exist. But I think

1549
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: when you look at a team that's down there in Waco,

1550
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: concerning this iteration of that team in that program, and

1551
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: how Scott Drew has his guys locked in in that

1552
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: culture down there, I wouldn't be surprised to see them

1553
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: guys with Ken Joe and Meyer and all that make

1554
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: it back to the Final four. I'm just saying I

1555
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: was so thoroughly blown away impressed by Baylor last year.

1556
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen dudes out there

1557
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: that were not only garden but just helping and recovering slides,

1558
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: the defensive ridiculousness in their athleticism, and then just they're

1559
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: just gangster. They were just so gangster on the boards

1560
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: on the because you're like this and you know this

1561
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: watching your dad broadcast. Marcus a legend in so many

1562
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: different ways. But his broadcast with with the Bucks, what

1563
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: Scott drew And this is the best thing I can

1564
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: say is they're running NBA rotations on the defensive end

1565
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: of the floor with the college enthusiasm and a football

1566
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: level of toughness. That's what Baylor was at the defensive

1567
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: end of the floor last year, and that is such

1568
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: a rare, rare thing to find. If they can, if

1569
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: they can stir that pot and bring it back this year,

1570
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: then yeah, they can get there. But I until I

1571
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: see it, Chris, I'm I'm gonna be I'm gonna wait

1572
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: and see how they look. But last year's team was

1573
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,919
Speaker 1: NBA rotations with a college enthusiasm and a football toughness,

1574
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: and absolutely that was unbelievable. I wanted to get your

1575
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: thoughts on a couple more conferences the Big Ten in

1576
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: the A c C and there's just a couple more teams.

1577
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: UH Big is looking good this year. Pretty a decently

1578
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: deep conference, Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Indiana. Of those you know

1579
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: four or five teams, who do you think is the

1580
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: Big Ten champion that comes up to perdue produce the

1581
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: best team in the conference, because because they got everybody back,

1582
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: they got everybody back. Um, and I think Zach Eady

1583
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: is going to have a tremendous year. I think UH

1584
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: coach Payter might even go to that double big line

1585
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: up with him and Trevin Williams uh and you go

1586
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: to double big. But Zach Ety, for those of you

1587
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: don't know, seven foot four. Last year he got fouls

1588
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: just by posting up because guys ran into his elbow

1589
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, it's contact of the head, that's

1590
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: a foul, and he's like, so they have to teach

1591
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: him how to post up. He had a literally post

1592
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: up like this and theis tucked yes, and I'm like

1593
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: what that's doing? You know? And internationally he got great

1594
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: experience this year. In the FIBA nineteen over Latvia, he

1595
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: averaged about sixteen points in fifteen rebounds per game. I

1596
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: think that confidence in being a go to guy for

1597
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 1: in that uh with Lavia, I think is gonna bode

1598
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: well for him and expanding out his game this year.

1599
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: And I think Matt Painter has just consistently been that

1600
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: coach inside the big tent that every year we don't

1601
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: talk about him and then we look and they're like, wait,

1602
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: the thirteen and six like they were thirteen and six

1603
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: last year in the Big Ten, that had almost every

1604
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: team ranked at least at one point in time during

1605
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: the course of the season, and for a majority of

1606
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: the year, they had so many teams in the poll.

1607
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: It's all we were talking about in ESPN. We never

1608
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: talked about Perdue and they had a better record than

1609
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: half the teams that we were talking about inside conference play,

1610
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: and they were beating him UM, and so I think

1611
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: that I think they're right there. I think what Jowan

1612
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: Howard is doing at Michigan UM is just amazing and

1613
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: the fact that people continually come back and want him

1614
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: to coach at the next level and he continues to

1615
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: just turn away those offers because he's happy with where

1616
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: he's at a Michigan I think boats really, really well

1617
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: for them. Caleb Houston is going to be absolutely phenomenal.

1618
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 1: He's a top five pick. I think next year's NBA draft.

1619
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: He's a freshman. You put him with Hunter Dickinson, who's

1620
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: back Eli Brooks. Yes, you have to worry about replacing,

1621
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: whether it's Mike Smith and just the steady hand that

1622
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: he had, or Franz Wagner uh and the versatility that

1623
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: he showed in the athleticism that he played with, or

1624
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: even Isaiah Livers. I mean, those are those are guys

1625
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: now that that are not easily replaceable. But I think

1626
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: with the recruiting that he has done at Michigan, the

1627
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: culture that he has built up at Michigan, UH, I

1628
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: really truly believe that the Wolverines are gonna be right there.

1629
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: I think perduing in Michigan are the two top teams

1630
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: in that conference. And I think Indiana under coach Woodson

1631
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: again another another alum coming home to his program um

1632
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: and I think, following in the same likeness of what

1633
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: we've seen from Juwan Howard being an NBA guy, I

1634
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: think it's really gonna help Trace Jackson Davis, who I

1635
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: think is one of the best players in college basketball

1636
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: and I think the one thing I've I've been concerned

1637
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: about the times with Trace has been his inability to

1638
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: have his motor running at all times, Like he kind

1639
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: of picks and chooses his spots a certain game where

1640
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, this guy's an All American,

1641
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: And then there's other games you're watching me like did

1642
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: did he get out of bed today? I think, what

1643
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: do you get that out of him? I think, what

1644
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: do you get at what he's done? A great He's

1645
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: done a great job too. I think he signed a

1646
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: couple of guys added to that to what's going on

1647
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: over there? Um, what about Illinois with with Coburn and

1648
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: Carbello and Brad Underwood back, do you think they have

1649
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: a shotter? They do because Coburn is gonna be the

1650
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: best big man in the country. I mean, at least

1651
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: the most physically dominating presence in college basketball. He may

1652
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: not end up being the best big man in the country,

1653
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: but he has the most physically dominating big in the country. Uh.

1654
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: Kabello has got to get a little bit smoother with

1655
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: the basketball, and he's gotta be able to shoot the ball.

1656
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: He really struggled from beyond the arc last year. Um,

1657
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: I think Adam Miller leaving and transferring out hurts them

1658
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think his his role would

1659
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: have improved this year. But Brad Underwood is one of

1660
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: those coaches that's really firing. And sometimes we we missed

1661
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: con Screw like a are head coach and go oh

1662
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: like he's mean, Like oh, he's he's tough on his guys,

1663
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: Like it's not really overly tough on his guys. Um,

1664
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: I think he he just demands and I think accountability

1665
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: is one thing that you cannot lack. Like I have

1666
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: Illinois on my preseason poll at number sixteen in the country.

1667
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: So they lose Adam Miller, that goes to l s U.

1668
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: So I mean Adam Miller is going through a complete

1669
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 1: culture change of like defending and toughness in Illinois to

1670
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: will wait just like shoot it up, my man, shoot

1671
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: it up. Um. But Io is gonna be a huge loss.

1672
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: Io made so many great plays. So how do you

1673
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: make up for the loss of Iota assuming well, when

1674
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: you get a transfer like Alfonso Plumber from Utah. Um

1675
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: a streaky shooter as we've seen, but a guy that

1676
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: when he came into Polly Pavilion in the first five

1677
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: minutes of that game last year, he thought he was

1678
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: gonna go for a hundred because he just knocked down everything.

1679
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of top one recruits, uh in

1680
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: the Lendez and Goodie uh, And so I think that

1681
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: there's there's pieces of fund him. But for me, it's

1682
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: starting from the inside out kofe. Cockburn and the level

1683
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: of frustration I think we saw in the n Double Tournament,

1684
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: in particular, when he didn't get the ball in a

1685
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: couple of possessions in their loss. He was so mad

1686
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: that there's two things that need to happen. One is

1687
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: Illinois does have to play inside out. They need to

1688
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: feed him as often as they can to keep him

1689
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: engaged in the game. Two is he has to better

1690
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: control his emotions and find ways to manufacture points at times.

1691
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: So if they're not getting you the ball, instead of

1692
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: standing up and being frustrated and just going to the

1693
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: other end, go grabbing offense, amount of dunking on someone's

1694
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: head and then turn around at the teammates and be

1695
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: like feed me, you know, uh, find a more positive

1696
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: way of doing that. And I think that that's part

1697
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: of the maturation process for him, and I think that

1698
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: he will get there and he will do it. Uh.

1699
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: And I think the X factor on this team is

1700
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: Trent Frasier. I think Trent Fraser is a guy that

1701
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: we don't talk a lot about, but when he plays well,

1702
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: Illinois finds success. And he's been through the ringer now

1703
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: a couple of times. He knows what the expectation level us.

1704
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be really, really good. And I

1705
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: tell you another team inside the Big Ten to think about,

1706
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: Chris is Maryland. I think turge has got a really

1707
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: good team. Uh. Alla's back. Uh, Scott is back. They

1708
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: got six transfers, including Fats Russell that came in from

1709
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. We know he can score the ball. Uh.

1710
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: They got the other big from Georgetown that just came

1711
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: in that played for Patrick Ewing. I think that this

1712
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: is a team in Maryland that could be a top

1713
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: four finisher inside the Big Ten this year. And they

1714
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: add Danny by the way, they also add Danny Manning

1715
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: to the assistant coach and staff. Uh formerly the head

1716
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: coach of Wake Forest was my colleague last year at ESPN.

1717
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: But he does great work with bigs and and I

1718
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: think that's really gonna help out the Maryland Terrapints this year.

1719
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: A quick aside about college coaches coming and going with

1720
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: the NBA experience. We saw two coaches leave. Jason Hart

1721
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: from USC, Kenny Payne left Kentucky over a year ago.

1722
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Do you think those type of losses, and you speak

1723
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: to Danny Manning's edition, you think those losses affect the

1724
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: program as much as an addition could affect the program.

1725
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: For sure. I think Jay Hart, you know him as

1726
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: well as as anybody, Chris. I mean we've we've known

1727
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: Jason for over twenty years now. Just a tremendous recruiter.

1728
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, really a tremendous recruiter. But besides that, he's

1729
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: a tremendous coach. Um. And I think this is a

1730
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: problem in our game. I'm gonna take this to a

1731
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: different different levels if you're okay with it. Of course,

1732
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: I'm tired of black assistant coaches being named great recruiters.

1733
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. I see it, Well, he's a recruiter,

1734
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: he's a recruiter. He's a recruiter. Let me ask you this,

1735
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: media members or fan bases that labeled people recruiters, how

1736
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: many practices do you go to? How many practices do

1737
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: you go to? Have you ever sat down and talk

1738
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: to xs and os with any of them or do

1739
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: you just look at them like, Oh, they're just recruiters.

1740
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: They're just recruiters because we like to put people in boxes. Unfortunately,

1741
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: that's what our society has done. Correct And Jason Hart

1742
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: should have been a head coach of the Division one

1743
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: level five years ago. In my opinion, five years ago,

1744
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: should have been a head coach in Division one. He

1745
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: thought he was ready five years ago. There's multiple Chris,

1746
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: There's been multiple jobs in the West Coast Conference that

1747
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: have come available, and Jason Hart is here in l

1748
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: A with great recruiting ties to everybody just because you

1749
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: have a great recruiting cause. But what what does it

1750
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: take to be a great recruiter? You know people you

1751
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: say Laugh was a great recruiter, Lab was a great recruiter.

1752
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: What made Laugh a great recruiter is the same thing

1753
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: that makes Jason Hard a great recruiter, which is the

1754
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 1: same thing makes a lot of great recruiters great recruiters.

1755
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: They know how to communicate, they build relationships, they earned

1756
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: the players trust. What makes a great head coach Chris,

1757
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: somebody that you can trust, somebody that you believe in.

1758
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, Um, when I look at it and I

1759
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: say this all the time, like add this quote, we

1760
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: can have I can have the best offense in the

1761
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: world on paper, but if my players don't believe in me,

1762
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: and they don't trust me, and they don't go out

1763
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: and execute it the way that I needed to be executed,

1764
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: we will never be successful. I can have the simplest

1765
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: offense on paper, that's like the most basic, like sixth

1766
01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: grade quality offense, but they believe the trust me and

1767
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: they run it like every single time to perfection with

1768
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: all effort. We're gonna find way more shots and we

1769
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: are that are gonna be good shots, and we are

1770
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna win more games than we're going to win if

1771
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: I changed it up and they didn't have any trust

1772
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: or any belief in me. Everything in life is about relationships.

1773
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: Everything in life is about trust. You and I have

1774
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: a relationship, and while we don't see each other often, Chris,

1775
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: you know as much as anybody that if you needed something,

1776
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm a phone call away and I'm there. If Matt

1777
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Barnes needs me for anything, I'm there. When we had

1778
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: the the Amad Aubrey run. How many of our teammates

1779
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: showed up and partook in that event to support Matt

1780
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: for an unbelievably great cause, right, one that we needed

1781
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: to draw more attention to. There was. I mean, there's

1782
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: there are guys that even play with us that were

1783
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: showing up. You know, Gilanni my son's making videos for

1784
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 1: Gilanni because he's looking back at old footage laughing at

1785
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: some of the media questions that they had, and and

1786
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: Lannie's is dunking on people. You know, your enthusiasm thing

1787
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: over the top of it. The relationship we have, right

1788
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: that's that's the relationship that we have, and relationships is

1789
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: the quintessential aspect of society and our community. And when

1790
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 1: we have a failure in community, and this goes beyond sports,

1791
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: when we have a failure in community, it's because we

1792
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: are no longer either willing to have genuine conversation, authentic conversation,

1793
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: or we're unwilling to listen. And the disconnect happens from

1794
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: our leaders, from ourselves, from our social activists, from our teachers,

1795
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: from our coaches, it doesn't from the police, it doesn't matter.

1796
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: It can go on all aspects. When communication, and the

1797
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 1: relationship is broken down, you cannot find success. And to

1798
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: bring it full circle back to Jason Hart, my belief

1799
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: fervently in Jason Hart is I think he's gonna do

1800
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: a great job in the league. I don't think we'rever

1801
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna see him in college basketball again. I think eventually

1802
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on someone else's staff at the at

1803
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: the next level, and then eventually become a head coach,

1804
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: maybe in the NBA. I think Miles sign And is

1805
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: another guy that I thought, for the last couple of

1806
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: years should have been more in line to get a

1807
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: college job. I think our guy, Earl Watson clearly could

1808
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: be an excellent college basketball coach. And I know obviously

1809
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: U C l A was in the picture for him

1810
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: for a while and all of us that were former

1811
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: alumni would have loved to see him have the opportunity

1812
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: to take that job. But there have certainly been other

1813
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: jobs that have opened up in the college landscape. Well,

1814
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: Earl would have gone in and crushed it. Um And

1815
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: I think that we need to continue to evolve in

1816
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: the conversation and in the dialogue of why do we

1817
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: put boxes on people? Why do we why do we

1818
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: limit what people can do because they're really good at

1819
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: one aspect. Because you're really good at one aspect of

1820
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: your job doesn't mean you can't do another aspect of

1821
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: your job. Um, and I see that too frequently happen

1822
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: happening across the college landscape. I'm really happy for a

1823
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: guy like Stan Johnson to get the job at l

1824
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: m U. I think he's doing great things with that program.

1825
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be a lot better in the

1826
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: w c C this year. But he's a guy that

1827
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: was an assistant coach that was seen as a recruiter

1828
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: for a long period of time that now you're seeing

1829
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: him in the head coaching role and he's thriving in

1830
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: the relationship and the building and the changing of a

1831
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: culture of a program that really has been non existence

1832
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: since the passing of Hank Gathers. Now he's done an

1833
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,839
Speaker 1: amazing job, and I think a lot of it, Sean

1834
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: is uh, just old ways of doing things. So putting

1835
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: people in boxes are based in stereotypes, and so now

1836
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: the stereotype of maybe a black assistant coaches. You know,

1837
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily the sharpest guy with X and os,

1838
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: but he can go into the Homes, talk to the

1839
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: black mom, the black father built that relationship, make it

1840
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:39,520
Speaker 1: easy and cool for the white head coach to come in, etcetera.

1841
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: And so a lot, a lot of it. I won't

1842
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: say true, but that role had to be played for

1843
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: a long time by a lot of coaches back in

1844
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: the seven Black Coaches in the seventies and eighties, where

1845
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't necessarily get the respect as a X and

1846
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: OS guy, so you had they had to create that

1847
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: niche of being a recruiter, you know what I'm saying.

1848
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: And so it's and we are breaking out it. We

1849
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: are breaking out of it, Chris. It's not like we're

1850
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 1: still stuck in the seventies. And look, I equined it

1851
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: to the similar thing being a black quarterback, right, I

1852
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: mean there we was like the Doug Williams of the world,

1853
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 1: the Randall Cunningham's, the Warren Moons of the world. It happened.

1854
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: But look at the NFL now, Look at Levard Jackson,

1855
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: look at Patrick Mahomes, look across the landscape and say

1856
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and how he's turned you know, everything up

1857
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: on its end. And I think Trey Lance is gonna

1858
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: be great for our Niners. Too, um, you know, so,

1859
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I I Russell Wilson obviously has been unbelievably great.

1860
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: So the list goes on and on. But now it's

1861
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: that that has been that ceiling has been broken, and

1862
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: people now understand that those old way of thinking we've

1863
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: we've got to evolve and we've got to change. And

1864
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: I think we're getting there in college basketball. I think

1865
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: we still need to do more in that regard. And

1866
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: I think Jason, to me is just one of those guys,

1867
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: as is a Miles Simon, who I think would have

1868
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: loved to come back to the college game. I thought

1869
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: that they were no brainer highers the last couple of years.

1870
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Uh And, and for whatever reason, one reason or another,

1871
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: they weren't given that opportunity. And I think that the

1872
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: NBA will benefit from it and the college game will

1873
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 1: hurt from it. But I do think that the Juwan

1874
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: Howards of the world and the Mike Woodson's of the

1875
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: world that are coming into the game helped the college

1876
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: game as well. Uh And I think the college game

1877
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: needs to become more forward thinking. You know, it's not

1878
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: okay one four high or flex offense or just basic motion.

1879
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 1: Like I will tell you I spent most of COVID

1880
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: sitting in a hotel room in Bristol, Connecticut when I

1881
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: was able to travel, and I would jump on and

1882
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: I've watched, as I mentioned earlier, the European basketball and

1883
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: their offense and the way they run in the space scene,

1884
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: and the innovation that I see in the European game

1885
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: and even even in the Russian professional leagues far out

1886
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: exceeds what we see even in the NBA level here.

1887
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: I think the NBA is getting closer and closer to

1888
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: it because they need to and they have the talent

1889
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: that can do it. But I think what made Gonzaga

1890
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 1: so elite last year was that they didn't run an

1891
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: offense us that we see. They they ran an offense

1892
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: off of read, making read and reacting to what the

1893
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: defense was giving and making cuts that were not scripted.

1894
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, and and I and I equated too, like

1895
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: you know the other night Cole Beasley from the Bills

1896
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: and the Monday night game against the Titans. It was

1897
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,879
Speaker 1: a big play and the Titans went to his own coverage,

1898
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: and had Cole Beasley ran his entire route, he would

1899
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: have ran into the next defensive player and it would

1900
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: have been a problem for Josh Allen. Instead, he sat

1901
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: in the gap because there was a hole and he

1902
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 1: knew as he trusted his quarterback would find him. And

1903
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times in college basketball, we

1904
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: run from point A to point B because that's what

1905
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: the offense tells us to do. Meanwhile, there's a gap,

1906
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: and if you settle in that gap just for a second,

1907
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: you might have a dunk and it might be the

1908
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: best play, the best shot you're gonna find in that

1909
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: entire possession. I think the European basketball leagues do that

1910
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: better than US um and it's more free flowing and

1911
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: to steal Steve Lavin line, it's like a ballet fred Astaire,

1912
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: you know, uh, nimble on their toes just reading cross

1913
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: being from me, No, it is the the European I've

1914
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: always I was always fascinated when I when I played overseas,

1915
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: I played in the Russian League, and how many points

1916
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: they'd score, But how much movement was involved, how much

1917
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: misdirection was involved, how much double actions. You know, there's

1918
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: all this action going on, like we run, we run,

1919
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: there'll be strong side pickpick and roll, and then weak

1920
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: side action going on simultaneously, where we had to worry

1921
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: about garden, so nobody could just stay in help and

1922
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: you got movement, movement, cut spain, action, all types of

1923
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: stuff that's like it's it's almost like mind boggling. But

1924
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: when you sit down and you watch it, you're like, why, yeah,

1925
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: let me break out of my traditional ways of thinking

1926
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: and drawing up plays and actually have some ingenuity here

1927
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,839
Speaker 1: and some creativity and do some different type things. And

1928
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: I think we see a lot of that going on

1929
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 1: on the European game. Hopefully that gets more into American

1930
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: offenses because I think it's first frinkling and the good

1931
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: guys adding little touches of it. Um. Coach K one

1932
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: of the you know, arguably the greatest, one of the

1933
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,759
Speaker 1: greatest college basketball coaches of all time. It's this last season,

1934
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: although we're not supposed to call it his last season.

1935
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: According to Coach K, he said, don't use the L

1936
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: word in describing this year. John shi are taking over.

1937
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: He's got some big time recruits, got a solid team.

1938
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Talk about what you envisioned Duke looking like in in

1939
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: this Coach K swan song in the A C. C.

1940
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Let me just tell I mean, look, Chris, you and

1941
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I were both there. I believe it was Coach Wooden's

1942
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,799
Speaker 1: final coaches clinic and it was Jim Herrick's final season

1943
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: at U c l A. There was November of nine.

1944
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 1: I believe it's the final coaching clinic that that John

1945
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: Wooden did at U c l A. And I still

1946
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: look back on that and goes he we we participated

1947
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 1: as a team. Right, there's all the coaches and we

1948
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: participated the team and Coach Wooden ran us through basically

1949
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: essentially what a practice was, um, you know, and it

1950
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 1: was an amazing experience to to have coach talk basketball

1951
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: to us, teach us the game. In all my years

1952
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: of broadcasting, I would say that Coach k is the

1953
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,879
Speaker 1: closest thing I've seen to John Wooden in that regard.

1954
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Just an excellent coach and teacher of it. And to me,

1955
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna mean so much to the game

1956
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: of college basketball to have him continue to be there.

1957
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: This year, we can celebrate him, We can celebrate all

1958
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: that he has brought to the game, the number of

1959
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: players and lives that he has touched, But most importantly

1960
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: for the college basketball game, I I hope that Duke

1961
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 1: has the type of season that is worthy of being

1962
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 1: a final season four coach K. I think last year

1963
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: really wore on a lot of coaches. As I mentioned earlier,

1964
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: I had a ton of coaches tell me that, Hey,

1965
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: it is tough to go through that process that they

1966
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: went through last year. But I believe that this Duke

1967
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: team is gonna be really strong. I think when you

1968
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: look going forward for the Duke program, I think John

1969
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Shire has a very difficult task ahead of him. Recruiting

1970
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: initially will be high because it's Duke, but then it's

1971
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: going to become not Coach Ka's program anymore. It's going

1972
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: to be his program, and his level of successful determine

1973
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: whether or not they can continue to recruit at the

1974
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: level in which we've seen Duke do. Here's my question. Okay,

1975
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: so I've heard that. I've heard that whole thing about

1976
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: the transition between Shire and coach K and it made

1977
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: me think about when John Wooden won ten and twelve years,

1978
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: then retires in seventy, and then Jane Bartow takes over.

1979
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: He goes like fifty and eight, gets fired, and then

1980
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: Larry Farmer comes in, and then Larry Brown comes in,

1981
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: and then we go through this whole thing of coaching turnarounds.

1982
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Nothing is ever good enough. Even we win in national championship,

1983
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: get back to the mountaintop coach here, it gets fired

1984
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: two years later or the year after. You know, we

1985
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: we got rid of a national challenge when he coach

1986
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: literally sent it backs literally the next year. Okay, I

1987
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm not sold on the fact that Duke's gonna struggle.

1988
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: There had to be some hangover. There'll be hangover. The

1989
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: brand is too big nowadays, the brand is too big.

1990
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: But John John will have to come in and have

1991
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: some success. He doesn't need to be at a national

1992
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: championship level of success right away. But is the program

1993
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: going to be stabilized and continue to have success? Are

1994
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 1: they gonna be in the hunt in the a c C.

1995
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: You know, Tony Bennett uh and Leonard Hamilton's have changed

1996
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: the landscape of the a c C. They have They

1997
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 1: win every year. We start off and go, Hiy Duke

1998
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Hubert Davis, all right, he's taking over for

1999
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Roy Williams. How's that gonna go? You know? And we're like,

2000
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: all right now John Shire is gonna take over for Dukes.

2001
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a big change with two traditional

2002
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 1: powers that are not just traditional powers in the SEC,

2003
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: but traditional powers in college basketball. And then couple that

2004
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: with the fact that realistically Virginia and Florida State have

2005
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: won more conference championships than either one of those two

2006
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: schools in recent years. Um I I think, to me,

2007
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I would be concerned about long term.

2008
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: Does it open up the door of opportunities, especially for

2009
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: a coach like Leonard Hamilton's by the way, who Devin Vassell,

2010
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: uh Patrick Williams, Scottie Barnes. I mean, year in a

2011
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: year out, he's getting top five people, um to to

2012
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: play and have the success that they're had not even starting.

2013
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: They're not even starting either, and they're fine with it.

2014
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: But that's the connectivity. Leonard Hamilton's one of the great

2015
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: teachers that we have in the game. He's one of

2016
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: the great teachers that we have in the game. And

2017
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: he is maybe the most disrespected head coach in the country.

2018
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Nobody ever talks about him as being one of the

2019
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: best coaches in college basketball. He is one of the

2020
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: best coaches in college basketball period. Look at the resume, folks,

2021
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: read the resume. Look at what he's accomplished. He's amazing

2022
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: part him. I played him as a senior he was

2023
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: coaching at the University of Miami and the tournament. I

2024
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that, but we we beat him,

2025
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 1: but I played my worst game. And then my dad

2026
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 1: told me he used to be at Kentucky back in

2027
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: the day with Joe B. Hall. I don't know if

2028
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Peter was that either, But Leonard Hamilton's got his starting

2029
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,839
Speaker 1: University of Kentucky, so he's got the pedigree. It's crazy

2030
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: how disrespected he is. But the team in the a

2031
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: CEC that I want to see, I think he's gonna

2032
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: Buddy Beeheim and the Orange Man. I'm curious to see

2033
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: how they performed this season. I love Buddy, I love

2034
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: what he's able to bring to that team. UM. North

2035
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: Carolina Hubert Davis is gonna be really interesting as far

2036
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: as how that's gonna look. He's come out and said

2037
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: a few things and so I don't know about and

2038
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: then you have the uncertainty of really what's going on

2039
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 1: with Chris mac and the whole Dino Gaudio situation. That's rough.

2040
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: That's a situation out there, not a great situation. UM,

2041
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: just to have distractions and we know distractions, Chris like,

2042
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: distractions are never good for a program. They're never good,

2043
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: And yeah, it is. It's really hard. Um. I think

2044
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: when you look at the a CEC this year, I think,

2045
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're at a tipping point really in

2046
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: that conference with k stepping you know, stepping Awa after

2047
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: the end of this year, and Roy Williams just stepping

2048
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: down in the spring of last year. Um. And then

2049
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: the fact that the question does have to be asked,

2050
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: how many more seasons will Jim behind go? Yeah. I

2051
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: don't think that coach Beheim will be the guy that

2052
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 1: announces before the year starts that he's leaving. I think

2053
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: he'll be one of those guys the season ends and

2054
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: he'll hold a press conference and be like, hey, you

2055
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: know what, this has been a great run. I'm out. Um, yeah,

2056
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm out, and you will never see me again. Um.

2057
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: And I think that that could be what he ends

2058
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 1: up doing eventually. But it means that the a c

2059
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 1: C has a lot of turnover in legendary coaches, iconic coaches,

2060
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: coaches that have meant so much to the game for

2061
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: such a long period of time. I think syracusan n

2062
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 1: C Double A Tournament team. I think they're a round

2063
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: of thirty two potentially, you know, depend upon matchups. Obviously

2064
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: after that you could maybe make a Sweet sixteen, but

2065
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: certainly a round of thirty two tab team. This year,

2066
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I think that Florida State again will we will not

2067
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: talk about them in the nonconference, we will not talk

2068
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: about them in the preseason poll, and then at the

2069
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: end of the season we'll be like, Wow, Florida State

2070
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: is up by a half a game going into the

2071
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: final weekend of a c C play um And I

2072
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: think that's just the way it's going to be. I

2073
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: think Virginia is gonna be better this year. I think

2074
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: Kia Clark, another kid from southern California that's had a

2075
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: tremendous career at Virginia. He like it's it's funny because

2076
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: you look at Virginia's program, it's been built on Southern

2077
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: California guards. Uh. Kia Clark obviously the latest, but really

2078
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Virginia got bounced in their step and going with London

2079
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Parentice and London parents, a kid that played at Crespy

2080
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: High School in southern California. I coached on the club

2081
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: circuit for the pump and run teams back in the day. Um,

2082
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: but he he went out there, and I think that

2083
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: he you know, he really changed the kind of like

2084
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: the idea of Virginia became cool. And Tony Bennett's kind

2085
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: of a cool coach, even though he runs this weird

2086
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: system that really limits the number of shots, and you know,

2087
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 1: they really control the offense and they slow it down,

2088
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: and they ask you to pay pack line defense and

2089
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 1: people don't even know what pack line defense is, but

2090
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: they're scared of it anyways. Uh and and but yet

2091
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 1: they're still cool and they're getting top one recruits, and

2092
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I think he's going to So I think as we

2093
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 1: evolve here and we see them moving on of some

2094
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: of the legendary coaches that have have ruled the college

2095
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,799
Speaker 1: basketball landscape for the better part of thirty and forty years,

2096
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna start looking at who are the

2097
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: next coaches that are going to become the iconic faces,

2098
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, even a guy like Izzo who's been around

2099
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: the game as long as he has. You know, I'm

2100
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: not saying that he's gonna retire anytime soon, but you know,

2101
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: we need young coaches to start coming in and being

2102
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 1: those guys. And I think guys like Mark Few, even

2103
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: though he's been around for twenty years, he's in that

2104
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: He's in that likeness. Um. I think that you look

2105
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: at a guy like Tony Bennett, I think Tony Bennett

2106
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be one of those coaches that is coming

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01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: in that likeness. I think if we can keep the

2108
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: NBA away from Jowan Howard, Jowan Howard easily becomes part

2109
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: of that that new kind of coach that we're looking

2110
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: at and going like, hey, wait, hold on, Chris Beard.

2111
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, I think he deserves to be

2112
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 1: in that conversation right now as becoming the Scott Drew Well,

2113
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of coaches. We as a television entity,

2114
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,799
Speaker 1: we as ESPN, we as Fox Sports, we as CBS Sports,

2115
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: we as you know, whatever stadium, whatever you're calling your

2116
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 1: games on, wherever you watch your college sports. We need

2117
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: to start shifting our focus away. And this is not

2118
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: in a disrespectful manner, but we need to start elevating

2119
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: up some of the younger coaches as much as we

2120
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: do uh the iconic coaches, because we cannot lose those

2121
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: iconic coaches and all of a sudden lose our identity

2122
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 1: as a sport. No, and we're getting to that page,

2123
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: right another one of those young guys who I mean

2124
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: like the younger coaches, but he is. He's clearly a

2125
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: face of our sport and will continue to be a

2126
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: face of our sport just because it looks like Jos

2127
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: Clooney and great inn as suit a basketball Hall of

2128
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: Famer j Right, get it, don't get it, don't get

2129
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: it twisted? Okay, amazing, but but no, but you're right on.

2130
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: We are at that point in life where you know

2131
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,919
Speaker 1: we're ushering in. We see it every in all facets

2132
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 1: of American life and generations where the oh, out with

2133
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 1: the old, in with the new. And so now you

2134
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of young coaches that are set up

2135
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: right now to sort of assent to that throne that

2136
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 1: is being vacated by the Bay Hives, by Roy Williams,

2137
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 1: by coach k Those are some pretty big titans Kentucky

2138
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: as well. And it's just crazy. It's crazy to think

2139
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 1: that we're gonna get to that point. But who do

2140
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: you so? And and staying on coaches because I wanted

2141
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: to get your take, and then I have one more

2142
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,640
Speaker 1: question for you after that. There's been a lot of

2143
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 1: coaching turnover five over fifty new hires this year. What

2144
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,719
Speaker 1: do you think is the most impactful coaching higher maybe

2145
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: one or two if you have a couple, uh, in

2146
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: the in college basketball, I would say Chris Bearded Texas

2147
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: is the most impactful. Uh. He's gonna do for Texas

2148
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: basketball what everybody hopes Steve Sarkasian can do for their

2149
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: football program. Uh. And the reason why I say that

2150
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: because you've got a brand new facility coming online, that

2151
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: that Shaka had done a tremendous job fundraising and and

2152
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: creating the buzz enough and basketball that they actually cared

2153
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: about basketball Texas. But I think that Chris Beard is

2154
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: by far set up to have a run that is

2155
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: bill self like inside the big twelve. I think he

2156
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: gave be that dominant and that good um, and I

2157
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: think he's going to make it cool to be a

2158
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: Texas Longhorn basketball player. I think he's gonna put guys

2159
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 1: in the league as he already has. When he was

2160
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,560
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech, I mean he went to lubb It,

2161
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: love it, Chris. I don't know if you've ever been

2162
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: to lubb It. I have, I have, But he took

2163
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Texas Tech basketball and took them to a final four.

2164
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: Like that is final game, right, They were in the

2165
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: final game, right, It's incredible. So to me, I look

2166
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: at that and I go, yeah, he's he's the guy.

2167
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Like I think he's the guy. I think he's the

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01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be able to get done. I think the

2169
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: other one that's gonna surprise people we talked about is

2170
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Speaker 1: Tommy Lloyd. I think Tommy Lloyd is going to be outstanding.

2171
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: I think Arizona is going It may not happen right away,

2172
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: meaning this year, but look, within forty eight hours of

2173
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 1: him taking the job, he got the best big man

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01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: in all of the state of Arizona to commit in

2175
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: forty eight hours of taking the job. He will be fine.

2176
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 1: He will continue, he will recruit at a high level.

2177
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 1: He will use the transfer market as they did. By

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01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 1: the way, I think he was a very He was

2179
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: a very big part of the transfer portal. Before the

2180
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: transfportal was the transfer portal at Gonzaga. And you look

2181
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: at the guys that transferred into Gonzaga, whether it was

2182
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,879
Speaker 1: a Nigel Williams Goss, whether it was a Jonathan Williams,

2183
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 1: you know, the third from Missouri, UH Bank tenually got

2184
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 1: guys that not only came in and played, but that

2185
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: fit their sister Andrew Nemhard from Florida, you know, I mean,

2186
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 1: how important was his role down the stretch last year UM,

2187
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 1: and even that gameing against West Virginia when Jalen Suggs

2188
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: went out with an injury. UM. And then he's also

2189
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: a great international recruiter. He's a great domestic recruiter. He's

2190
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 1: he's and I think he's gonna play a very friendly

2191
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 1: offensive style. And I think when to me, to have

2192
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: a great coaching higher, it needs to be a perfect marriage, Chris.

2193
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: It needs to have the facilities, the fans support the conference,

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01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: and then you need to be the right person for

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01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: that job. And Tommy Lloyd is the right person in Arizona.

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01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the tradition of that program,

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01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: it is it is always the PAC twelve is always

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01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 1: at its best when Arizona and u c l A

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01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: are at its best. And that's no disrespect to Oregon.

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01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: Organ has entered the fray because Dana Altman is that

2201
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: good of a coach, But historically speaking, when Arizona is

2202
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,679
Speaker 1: great and U c l A is great, everybody else

2203
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,799
Speaker 1: gets lifted up in the conference, and I think Arizona

2204
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 1: will be back there within three years. Yeah. For me,

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01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see how Kevin Krueger does out

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01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: at U n l v UM. He got his dad,

2207
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: He brought his dad on staff. You know, Bryce Hamilton's

2208
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: coming back. He's been a part of that. You know,

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01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 1: talk to me, Sean, talk to his dad. Uh, you know,

2210
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: we will be around the Athletic Department of Ton. But

2211
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: he he his dad made sure that he had the

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01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: right assistance around him to support him in his early stages,

2213
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: his infancy of being a head coach. And I think

2214
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: that the big thing for a younger head coach is

2215
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 1: to know your deficiencies. Like sometimes you're so insecure because

2216
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,600
Speaker 1: you don't want your deficiencies to be discovered, that you

2217
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 1: hire people that that basically allow those deficiencies to continue,

2218
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 1: and then that that permeates through the program and it

2219
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: becomes a problem. With success. You need to have people

2220
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 1: that are not yes men, that are willing to stand

2221
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: up and say in meetings, not maybe in front of

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01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: the team, but in meetings no, no, no, Kevin, you

2223
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: don't know. No, that's not how this is. Let me

2224
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 1: tell you how trust me, this is how it's not.

2225
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,839
Speaker 1: Let me show you and then actually show like flotage

2226
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: your tangible effort, things from the past that show how

2227
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: it works, and then okay, yeah, cool, now I can

2228
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: go do this. I think Kevin's gonna be great. I

2229
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: think when you look at you and l V, the

2230
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: goal for you and l V is to catch San

2231
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 1: Diego State because Brian Dutcher's been unbelievable. I wout at

2232
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: fifty three and seven in the last two seasons. Um,

2233
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 1: So I think for U and LV, it's it's always been.

2234
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: They've always had talent. They've always had They've had one

2235
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: and done guys. In recent years under Dave Rice, they

2236
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: they got Steven Zimerman who was a one and done guy.

2237
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 1: Maybe shouldn't have been, but he was. Um, you can

2238
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: go get talent to want to play at the Thomas

2239
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: and Mac. You can get talent, especially in I L.

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01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Now all those kids got Finley toyotas. That's a new

2241
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: deal that they got to Every player on the team

2242
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:29,600
Speaker 1: got Finley yoted. Good for them. Go see my guy Ed,

2243
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: He'll take care of you. Um, you know I think that, Uh,

2244
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I think when you think about you and LV the

2245
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: upside is there and Kevin will be interesting there. I

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01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: think Porter Moser is also a very interesting higher at Oklahoma.

2247
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 1: You're talking about a guy Um and I I talked

2248
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: to to Porter at the Coaches Versus Cancer event I

2249
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: do in Vegas for Lon Krueger and when I when

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01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: I had my conversation with him and said, hey, Um,

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01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, why did you make the move? And he goes.

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01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: I think it's so hard to be Gonzaga today. Like

2253
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: if Mark Few was just starting out, I don't think

2254
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Mark Few could be Gonzaga what Gonzaga is now starting

2255
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: Gonzaga in this climate that we live in college basketball,

2256
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 1: it would be too difficult to do. But because he

2257
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: had a twenty year head start on all these dramatic

2258
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 1: changes that we're seeing, they're basically the Duke of the

2259
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 1: West Coast right now. They're a small school, they're in

2260
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 1: a little obviously, they're in a small conference, not the

2261
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: A c C. But the brand has become so big

2262
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: that they can recruit the number one overall prospect in

2263
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 1: the country chat Home Grom to go there versus having

2264
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: him go to a Kansas, Kentucky, a Duke Carolina because

2265
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 1: it's an established brand. I think for Loyal in Chicago,

2266
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: it was gonna be really hard for Porter to sustain

2267
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,800
Speaker 1: that with conference affiliation, um with the landscape changing the

2268
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: way that it was. Now he goes to Oklahoma. Can

2269
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 1: he get Oklahoma to a Final four? So now you

2270
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: have this change from Lon Krueger, who is a Hall

2271
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:01,799
Speaker 1: of Fame coach, unbelievable winner everywhere. He's gone to Porter Moser,

2272
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: who's who's already established himself as one of the better

2273
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: young coaches in the country at the head coaching level.

2274
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: And now you're taking over on co Homer program. But

2275
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: by the way, is also gonna be leading the Big

2276
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: Twelve joining the SEC. So now you're recruiting landscape in

2277
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 1: the geographical footprint that you can go recruit after has

2278
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,680
Speaker 1: also changed in a very short period of time, a

2279
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 1: lot of changing parts. Can he weather that storm of

2280
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: the changing parts and established who he is with his

2281
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: identity that he had at Loyal in Chicago with better players,

2282
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: Because if he can, I mean it is, it's gonna

2283
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: be really really good for him as well those games.

2284
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 1: Think about what we're talking about here too, So now

2285
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about an SEC that would have Chris Beard,

2286
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Porter Moser, John Calipari, Bruce Pearl, Ben Holland, Eric Musselman,

2287
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:52,520
Speaker 1: Frank Martin. By the way, that also took South Carolina

2288
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: to a Final four. I mean that conference, Mike White,

2289
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: that conference is stacked, Kermit Davis. I mean it is

2290
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: stacked with eyes that can just flat out coach. Uh.

2291
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,640
Speaker 1: And I think that that's gonna be incredible when it

2292
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 1: all comes together for what that basketball league is gonna

2293
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: look like. Absolutely, you talked about, uh, your coaches first Cancer,

2294
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: your involvement with coaches first Cancer. I'd like to hear

2295
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 1: about why that's such an important thing for you and

2296
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: just talk about your involvement with that organization. So Chris,

2297
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: my father in law passed away in twenty eighteen of cancer. Uh.

2298
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: And he had fought for fourteen years and he was

2299
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 1: given six years to live when he when he found

2300
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:36,679
Speaker 1: out that he had cancer. And instead of just waving

2301
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 1: the white flag and saying, hey, you know what, six years, okay, fine, whatever,

2302
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 1: he fought every day for his grandchildren. He just wanted

2303
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: to see more spend more time with his grandchildren. So

2304
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 1: he signed up for every single trial that was out there.

2305
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: He ended up going through seven different trials of medical advancement,

2306
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: and he helped fill out notebooks worth of like Okay,

2307
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: this work, this didn't work, this work, this didn't work,

2308
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: And there are some things that were really well and

2309
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: they gave him great quality a life for a year,

2310
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: a year and a half, and then all of a

2311
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: sudden the cancer would come back and we'd have to

2312
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Joe go to another trial or whatever it was UM

2313
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: until he passed away November eighteen. And as I was

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01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 1: going through this process, I met Lon Krueger in Las

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01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: Vegas at at an event that his his team was

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01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 1: playing in at at the MGM Grand and met this

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01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: guy by the name of d J. Allen, who runs

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01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: Lon Krueger's event in Las Vegas for Coaches Versus Cancer. Goes, Hey,

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01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you become part of this thing,

2320
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 1: and I've been now part of it for seven years.

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01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 1: I host the event with j. T. The Brick, who

2322
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 1: does a great job on Mad Dog Sports Radio UM

2323
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 1: and he and I have hosted the event for seven years.

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01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 1: It raises over a million dollars a year every single year.

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01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 1: I think this year we did one point five even

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01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,559
Speaker 1: in coming out of the pandemic, which was incredible. UM.

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01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: And it's it's golf, and it's a lot of coaches,

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01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 1: and it's it's fighting cancer and the reason why. And

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01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 1: I did the Tennessee One this year to which our

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01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 1: goal was FO sixty five thousand, and we raised five

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01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 1: dred thousand. And I I did panel yesterday with the

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01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: aspens UH Society UH talking about health and why it's

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01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 1: important and how disproportionately it affects. Cancer affects different parts

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01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: of society and some of the things that systemically we

2335
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: have done in our in our cities that actually promote

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01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 1: cancer to happen adversely in more a lower, lower income areas,

2337
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: minority areas, Chris UH at a much higher rate than

2338
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 1: what we see in other areas. But it affects all

2339
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: of us. It's not this isn't a race issue. It's

2340
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a humanity issue. UM. And I don't

2341
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: know anybody that hasn't had anybody that's been affected by cancer,

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01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 1: anybody that hasn't lost a friend, a loved one, to

2343
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:42,639
Speaker 1: colleague at work. Uh. You know. And and during COVID nineteen,

2344
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: part of one of the things that maybe upset me

2345
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: the most. And I get COVID is real. I'm baxed, like,

2346
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: I'm not saying COVID's not real. But what didn't happen

2347
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 1: last year was the talking that one point nine million

2348
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 1: people in America was gonna be told that they had

2349
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 1: cancer for the very first time. One point nine million,

2350
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: you have cancer, and you're hearing that for the first time.

2351
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 1: What we are not talking about is because we shut

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01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 1: down early some of the hospitals and some of the

2353
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 1: procedures that could go on that early detection. Chris is

2354
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,560
Speaker 1: gone in a lot of areas, and so people missed appointments,

2355
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 1: they missed the opportunity to going and get their scans.

2356
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:18,479
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, the cancer that would

2357
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 1: have been very treatable now they're picking up and they're

2358
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: gonna be in you know, stage four, stage three, and

2359
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,640
Speaker 1: the fight is gonna be that much harder. There's an

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01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 1: estimated seven hundred thousand Americans that will die this year

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01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 1: to cancer, seven hundred thousand, and that number is likely

2362
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: to increase over the next two years to upwards of

2363
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: almost a million if we don't get back to this

2364
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 1: early detection and getting the word out there that hospitals

2365
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: because some people are scared to go to hospitals now

2366
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 1: because of COVID, right, so you have to get pre screened,

2367
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: you have to get early detection. Look at the icon

2368
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 1: that is Dick Vital. You know, Dicky v has spent

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01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: a majority of his life fighting with the V Foundation.

2370
01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 1: And I'm part of the the Foundation as well, Coaches

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01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: Versus Cancer. I'm I'm on the national Council, so I'm

2372
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: more involved over there. But he has fought his entire

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01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 1: life with Coaches Versus with the V Foundation and spreading

2374
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy V's message. And here's Dick Vital now starting chemotherapy

2375
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:16,679
Speaker 1: for the next six months. And here's the guy that's

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01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: meant as much to the game of college basketball as

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01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:21,639
Speaker 1: any coach or any player. He has promoted the game

2378
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 1: of basketball better than anyone else, and he's been an

2379
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 1: advocate for it. And now it's affecting him, and it's

2380
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 1: affecting all of us. And we need to be aware,

2381
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: and we need to have genuine discussions about health, diet, exercise,

2382
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 1: and things we can do that can prevent some cancers

2383
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 1: from happening. We're not going to prevent all of it,

2384
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:46,360
Speaker 1: but we can prevent some of it. And then we

2385
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: need to continue to look at these trial meds and

2386
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:52,080
Speaker 1: seeing that how much advancements actually have been made. The

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01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: most precious thing we have in life, Chris, is time.

2388
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 1: What we do with our time matters, and for me, uh,

2389
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing more than I do outside of being a father.

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01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 1: Then give my time to the fight against cancer. That

2391
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 1: means more to me. And when I have the opportunity

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01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 1: to speak on it, I speak on it. When I

2393
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 1: have the opportunity helps someone fundraise for it, I will

2394
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: fundraise until I can't do it. I am not afraid

2395
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 1: to cry in front of public about the loss of

2396
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 1: my father in law. I'm not afraid to cry when

2397
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 1: I hear someone share their story about cancer because I

2398
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:27,080
Speaker 1: know very well that it very easily can be me.

2399
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 1: Could be my wife, could be my kids, could be

2400
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 1: my father, could be, my mom, my sister, my niece. Um,

2401
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: it could be you, and I'd be devastated. I'd be devastated.

2402
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: So I get emotional about it because the time we

2403
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 1: have together, Chris, that's the best thing in life. And

2404
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to stop finding and sacrificing my time.

2405
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: If I can take my time to help create more

2406
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: time for a family member or to get us closer

2407
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: uh to to a cure for some of these things.

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01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: Then I will roll up my sleeves and I will

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01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: do all that I can uh to make sure that

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01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing my part. And I'm grateful for the people

2411
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 1: in the support base I have around me, the doors

2412
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 1: Natalie Morrison at the American Cancer Society UH and coaches

2413
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: versus cancer Lon Krueger in particular, who has brought me

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01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 1: on to be an advocate and a voice. And I

2415
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: plan on the platform I have is good. Like look,

2416
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not Dick Vitale, I'm not j billis uh,

2417
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, but I have a good platform. And if

2418
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 1: I can use my platform and whatever stature I have

2419
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: that I've gained in twenty years of broadcasting in this business,

2420
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 1: UH to to help the fight against cancer and be

2421
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: there for people that are in the fight against cancer

2422
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 1: and know that they're not alone and know that they've

2423
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 1: got an army of people praying for them uh and

2424
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 1: supporting them, then, by God, that's what I'm willing to do.

2425
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: And again, outside of being a parent, that's all that

2426
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: matters to me. Man. We're definitely sending our prayers or

2427
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 1: Dickey v Um. Well, you definitely empathize with everyone out

2428
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: there that has suffered or law people to cancer. I

2429
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: know I have. You have lots of very close people

2430
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 1: and we and that's the one thing about the American experiences,

2431
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 1: and it seems like everybody I know, we've all have

2432
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: dealt with cancer or something and we gotta come together

2433
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 1: on a Chris, We've gotta come together. We're gonna have

2434
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: a real conversations. And what is our website? You have

2435
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: a website, you have a place where people can go

2436
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: and donat or well, I think obviously American Cancer Society

2437
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 1: is is a global entity that is involved in so

2438
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: much Coaches Versus Cancer. You can just go to typing

2439
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Coaches Versus Cancer and Google and find out that the

2440
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 1: events and if you want to partake in some of

2441
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 1: the events that we have. We have fundraisers that are

2442
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 1: really expensive for big corporations mainly, and then we have

2443
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 1: some other other ones where we can do fund grassroots

2444
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 1: fundraising efforts. I've done high school basketball tournaments where in

2445
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,720
Speaker 1: one weekend we've raised thirteen thousand to twenty three thousand

2446
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 1: dollars UH and given all of that to Coaches Versus

2447
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 1: cancer UM, and I think what I left with those experiences,

2448
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 1: and I ran a couple of them UM with my

2449
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 1: club team that I was coaching before I joined b

2450
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 1: T I had. I had a spinoff team from West

2451
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Coast Lead, and I started these tournaments and I called

2452
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:04,480
Speaker 1: Brian Silver's like, hey, Ryan, I need some teams. He

2453
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: brought all of his teams. I brought b T I.

2454
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 1: I had competent magic. We're all there. Like all these guys,

2455
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 1: they want to do good and the players. What I

2456
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: did was I mandated that when they were done with

2457
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 1: the tournament that they had to hear about cancer and

2458
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: how it's affecting people. And every tournament bracket was named

2459
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: after someone who is actually still fighting cancer or had

2460
01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: been passed away of cancer, that was tied to someone

2461
01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 1: directly to the event, And so when you looked at

2462
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 1: your bracket, you had a picture of somebody and their

2463
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 1: bio of their fight against cancer. And so it humanized

2464
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 1: this thing, and these kids started to realize that this

2465
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 1: was not the normal tournament. They weren't down at that

2466
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 1: with O G. P uh. You know, they weren't playing

2467
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 1: at the map, they weren't just you know, just playing

2468
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 1: in a normal tournament. They were playing in something that

2469
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: actually didn't matter more, and we made announcements, we had fundraisers,

2470
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 1: we had things that we were giving away, and it

2471
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 1: was a remarkable thing to be part of for a

2472
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 1: couple of years and COVID kind of shut it down.

2473
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to bring it back this upcoming summer

2474
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: as like an end of summer, and I want to

2475
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 1: kind of do it as like an l A championship

2476
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 1: for the club circuit and see if I can get

2477
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 1: television involved in it. I want to get why not.

2478
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 1: I want to get Ryan Silver's team. I want to

2479
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 1: get the Compton Magic, and I want the top tier

2480
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 1: bt I team at all three age groups to go

2481
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 1: against each other and be like, who's the biggest and

2482
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 1: the baddest in Southern California because all those programs have

2483
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:24,280
Speaker 1: great teams. And if we can do something like that

2484
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: and raise money to fight cancer, uh and get exposure,

2485
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 1: whether it's on Valley's Sports in Los Angeles, whether it's

2486
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 1: on stadium, whether it's on something like that, that's what

2487
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: my that's my focus for this upcoming years to try

2488
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 1: to develop something like that. After the July period is done,

2489
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 1: after the live period is done, is bring those teams

2490
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 1: together and then eventually what I want to do is

2491
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: expand it to the entire state of California and get

2492
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 1: the Oakland Soldiers involved in and have you know I

2493
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: played for the Soldiers growing up. I love to have

2494
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 1: the soldiers come down, uh and be part of it

2495
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 1: as well, and have like a California Club Championship post

2496
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:58,840
Speaker 1: the live period and get it on television. I think

2497
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 1: people would watch it first and foremost. But I know

2498
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:03,720
Speaker 1: we'd raised a lot of really good money as well

2499
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 1: in the fight against cancer. Man, let me let me

2500
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: know what if you need anything from me or how

2501
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:13,280
Speaker 1: I can help you, always man, make that happen, because

2502
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: you know that that sounds like amazing cause and I

2503
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 1: want to I want to definitely raise the awareness, dude,

2504
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: and actually make a difference in someone's life. Sean Farnum,

2505
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:25,000
Speaker 1: It's been two hours that we have been sitting on

2506
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 1: this Dog All podcast and were probably gonna go for

2507
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:29,840
Speaker 1: another two hours. Bro. We didn't even get into any

2508
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 1: of the great stories that but that'll be talk. Yeah

2509
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 1: maybe that's Chris also is like, what's that We're out

2510
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:40,520
Speaker 1: of time? We're out of time I'm sorry. We're gonna

2511
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 1: go okay, guys, thank you for joining the show today.

2512
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 1: No man, we'll save that part two. Man. Uh hey man.

2513
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: Today it's been amazing. Thank you for your wealth of

2514
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:52,360
Speaker 1: information and knowledge and your candidate, the way you talk

2515
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:56,320
Speaker 1: about things, your passion, your intensity, bro, it's it's definitely inspirational.

2516
02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 1: Sean and uh man, I appreciate you coming on kJ Live.

2517
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,280
Speaker 1: No problem, Chris. Anytime you need me ruined for life,

2518
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,200
Speaker 1: teammate for life, friend for live, family for life, um,

2519
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: and any time I can help you out you let

2520
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 1: me know. So proud of you, so proud of your family, um,

2521
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 1: and so proud of what you're what you're doing, Man,

2522
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 1: keep plazing your own trail, plays your own path and

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Speaker 1: and and know who you are and believe and trust

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Speaker 1: in who you are as a person, Chris, because you're

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Speaker 1: a good person. Thank you, my man.